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What does /u/ think of When Marnie was There?
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Reading about it on /u/ has piqued my interest, but I haven't actually watched or read it yet.
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>>3575615
Watch it, it's a pretty good movie.
Last year we also had a nice thread about it, shame it seems to have been a fluke.
https://archiveofsins.com/u/thread/3240926
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>>3565991
Its great.
The only way it is yuri though is in that it invites the same feelings of frustration of a good series that doesn't go the whole way.
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>>3565991
grandma and grand daughter. eew.
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>>3577314
>eew

In the film we don't see them as a couple at any moment, they are just friends.there is no yuri and there is no incest.
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Yeah that was a good thread, it made me read the novel and I'm really glad I did. I also enjoyed reading the blog some anon was working on https://jayfax.neocities.org/marnie.html lots of great extra material here.

PDF of the book---> https://files.catbox.moe/xs9ahp.epub
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A beautiful yuri story that I am left utterly uncomfortable with.
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I think the yuri aspect is best viewed as one of several perspectives you could have on the story. The "feeling" is definitely there (even in the novel) despite it not being intentional. People who went into the movie thinking it was gonna be yuri obviously feel short-thrifted, but the story can be appreciated by embracing the canon chasteness of Anna and Marnie's relationship as well as the moments of romanticism that lend themselves to putting on the yuri goggles.

I view the movie as being very romantic in tone, from the wistful loneliness of Anna to the secretiveness of her and Marnie's nighttime escapades, its all about cutting to the very core of two people's attachment to each other and the love that they cultivate keeping each other alive, both in the literal sense of Marnie raising Anna as a baby to Anna's "memory" bringing the girl Marnie back for a while.
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All I want is a sequel set ten years later where Anna is in art college and the ghost of Marnie when she was in her twenties keeps crashing Anna's apartment and giving her advice on how to pick up girls.
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>>3565991
Beautiful but not yuri. If you actually think it is you need to purify your soul.
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>>3583448
Spoken like someone who's never been suddenly gay again.
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>>3583380

>you should talk to her Anna, she looks like she's had a tragic backstory!
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Reading it now thanks to >>3582505 . I'm only a couple chapters in, but liking it so far.
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>>3565991
marnie was her grandma...
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>>3594026
No shit
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It was really annoying that they kept making parallels to the MC and Marnie's husband. Story-wise it would have been absolutely fantastic for the implied importance but the twist just made me feel absolutely awful. Why make parallels with Marnies love interest like that if you're gonna end up making yhem related!? It was great until the plot twist..
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Just finished the book, and enjoyed it a lot. Very goggleable, but knowing the twist already helped me focus on the other aspects of the story. I can see how it would be frustrating to be taken by surprise.

I'll have to check out the movie sometime.

>>3583623
The copy linked in this thread says "merry" instead, unfortunately.

>>3597787
Marnie's husband was related too, though just a "distant cousin." I'll let our resident consanguinity experts evaluate the percent of DNA shared between Marnie and Anna vs. Marnie and various levels of cousin.
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>>3565991
Only saw the movie but I liked it, solid 8/10. There isn't any yuri but it's a nice coming of age tale. It's best if you watch it without knowing anything.
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Oh cool, a Marnie thread. I haven't checked /u/ in months and I was about for the thread last year.
I've written so much about Anna x Marnie it's exhausted me, lol. Ever since, I've done a lot of research about the book and Robinson, mostly writing for wikipedia but a lot stuff I'm yet to write about. This is well beyond the scope of /u/, though.
In my research though, I discovered at the library that the only major source that's touched on /u/ themes in Marnie is this dead tree NYT article from 2015.
>[The novel by] British author Joan G. Robinson will seem a simple tale of friendship found and unhappiness banished. Others, however, could experience the story's sweetly supernatural drift as a veil for gnarlier intimations of child abuse, sexual awakening, ethnic confusion, and even mental illness.
>Unfolding in painstakingly realized interiors and painterly landscapes, "Marnie" is a muddled merger of a ghost story, fantasy, time travel and coming-of-age. Fighting all of these, however, is a first-love story — a passionate connection between two damaged souls. This becomes quite explicit when Anna, perpetually dressed like a boy, jealously watches Marnie dance with a young man, then questions their mutual devotion.
Given this stuff was discussed in a newspaper, this raises the notability of this discussion into scholarship, maybe.
>>3600778
>Marnie's husband was related too, though just a "distant cousin."
I intepreted the near-incest between Marnie and Edward as being along the lines of "weirdness-in-the-british-gentry" kind of relationship - that it should kinda be considered incest, maybe a doubling down, but not exceptional
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>>3602457
That image is so beautiful, what's it from?
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>>3602466
It's from the Chinese edition Marnie (the book) :>
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>>3602472
Thanks! I was just scrolling past and I had to ask
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>>3602457
>dykes on a dyke.png
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Annual Marnie thread. Good.
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>>3602457
I tried a little sleuthing to help you out. First I searched the British Newspaper Archive for "Burnham Overy." I found an article about the TV photoshoot in the Lynn Advertiser dated September 07, 1971. You need an account to view the full text, but maybe someone reading this already has access through a library, or can find a library in Norfolk that carries back issues of that newspaper.

Only then did it occur to me to check IMDB, which lists a photgrapher named Jimmy Matthews-Joyce (also called James) on the relevant Jackanory episode. He worked on many episodes, but nothing since the mid seventies. Unfortunately the only other google results for him were a couple auctions selling watercolors by "J Matthews-Joyce." Maybe someone knows of other places to search that aren't indexed by google?

I also confirmed that the episode itself is among the missing. I did not research the producers of the episode, who are also listed on IMDB. It's also possible that the BBC has some kind of archivist who could provide more information if contacted. The "award" could have been something as small as an internal BBC thing.
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>>3611510
Sis, you're a hero.
This might be a bit dramatic but I'm actually shaking a little in excitement learning that one of the actors was the son of the landlord of "The Hero" in Burnham Overy... a place I ate and slept at for two days what the hell? I plan to be visiting it again in April, I need to talk to the owners there about this.
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>>3611519
Just to clarify, last I was in Burnham Overy I kind of dropped When Marnie Was There in a conversation with the present owner of The Hero, and they didn't really react and I wasn't sure how to probe them further.
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>>3565991
>girl spend the entire movie wanting to fuck her dead grandmother

What is the fucking point of this story.
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>>3615470
Imagine the after-sex cookies.
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>>3611519
Glad I could help! That's really interesting.

I took a look at the other members of the crew. The director and one of the producers haven't done much since 1980. The other producer, Anna Home, worked her way up to become the head of children's programming at the BBC. She has written a book about the history of kids' TV, and she appeared in a documentary about Jackanory. The odds are pretty low that either of those would mention Marnie, but not zero. Same goes for any other books about Jackanory that might exist. Not worth buying them, but maybe leafing through them in a library just to make sure.

The BBC has an archive that licenses out images, but they explicitly say they only deal with companies/ institutions, not individuals. Surely someone there would know whether or not they still have the photos, but I don't know how you'd find the right person to ask.
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I did in fact track down that documentary a while, with much effort. It indeed did have Anna Home and a segment about Jackanory, but nothing about Marnie. I'll look through books if I come across any, but yeah doubting the chances. Making the right connections to people is the concern, no idea myself.
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Found this scholarly article on the movie that talks about yuri themes, although only to dispute them: https://af.booksc.eu/book/66349658/062f77
>The film may feel sentimental towards the end, with the happy ending feels a little too neat and tidy. Equally it does not address the question of adolescent sexuality, despite a lot of evidence that Anna, apparently, a tomboy in appearance, is infatuated by Marnie.
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>>3628062
Well, the movie can't comment too directly on the issue. Did the author of this paper expect Ghibli to directly acknowledge that Anna's feelings about her grandmother were romantic?
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>>3628210
>Did the author of this paper expect Ghibli to directly acknowledge that Anna's feelings about her grandmother were romantic?
Hopefull yes, if they're based author.
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>>3583353
I always took the clear romantic tones to not be between Anna and Marnie but actually between Hisako and Marnie. All the points where Anna enters the story she was told seemed to be from Hisakos perspective. I always took it as a multileveled story about loss and family for Anna and a forbidden romance for Marnie.
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>>3628507
I really do need to watch the movie sometime. I can't figure out which book character Hisako could be.

I'd say the book captures the spirit of yuri better than a lot of intentional subtext stories. It's about loneliness, connection, love, and self-discovery. I think it's the kind of thing a lot of yuri fans can identify with even if it's not actually a yuri story.

It also helps that it never implies that Anna is straight, lol.
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>>3628560
Hisasko is Gillie in the book, and I think anon posits a broadly plausible way of looking at the story.
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Been continuing to dig into more scholarly resources. This is a review of the Robinson book in a children's psychology journal
>Because this is a story about a pre-pubertal girl, I wonder whether at times the author has shied away from bringing her underlying developing sexuality more to the fore. The appearance of Edward who becomes close to Marnie, and stirs Anna’s jealousy towards them both is lightly sketched in and could perhaps be more explored.
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>>3631927
Ayy, you mind sharing the source on that?
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>>3565991
I rewatched it once again. I love these threads even if we probably exhausted all discussion possible in the last one.
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>make this thread months ago
>complete forget about it after a couple weeks
>mfw i come to /u/ for first time in months and this thread is still up

Holy smokes I love you guys so much for keeping this alive. By the way, I discovered something a while back that has really deepened my appreciation of this movie's soundtrack. The tune that Marnie sings to Anna is actually an old classical guitar theme made by the famous Spanish guitar player Francisco Tarrega.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOsRMECWKAE&ab_channel=QuantumMath

I actually learned this by watching the Sopranos and hearing this playing in the background at Vesuvio's during the episode Luxury Lounge.
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>>3565991
Yuri bait. I felt betrayed when marnie called that boys name. Ending was better than "Marnie grow up and married, Anna grown up and married". Grandma twist felt interesting
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>>3565991
It was weird as fuck....not bad....but kind of random
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>>3577314
Agree....that was.... odd...
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>that filename
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>>3565991
It's one of my favorite Ghibli films. People say its one of the worse ones but it just clicked with me. Tone, characters and setting were all very nice. IMO the absolute worst Ghibli film is Arietty.
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>>3565991
>>3656306
Are the any Marnies out there, or is the world divided between people who identify with Anna and people who don't "get" the story?
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>>3658906
What does it mean to be a Marnie? She’s the wish-fulfillment. The friend/love interest that appears to save us at our lowest moment and offer us some kind of hope. Maybe people like that exist, but 4chan is going to be full of Anna’s and normie ‘pigs’ like the fat girl.
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>>3601745
>newspaper
>scholarship
Absolutely not. Newspapers can publish whatever they want, no quality check or peer review.
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Its in the top 3 best of their catalogue to me, a real surprise and one of their most unique films. It doesn't seem to have found its audience yet (aside from us weirdos) cause its not easily categorized like other Ghibli movies. Is it a kids movie like Totoro? Its more about early adolescence and dealing with more mature issues around social isolation and family abandonment. Is it an adult movie like Porco Rosso? Not really, its definitely aimed more towards teenage girls, but the advertising wasn't really targeting this demo, so its kinda in this limbo where nobody really knows the movie exists and if they do it doesn't appeal to them cause they feel it was supposed to be something other than what it was.

Personally I really enjoyed it mainly cause I hadn't any prior knowledge of it and went in completely blind. I instantly connected with Anna and saw a lot of myself with her sketching on her own while feeling anti-social and guilt-ridden. She feels so much more real than alot of teenage girl protagonists in animated features. And don't get me wrong I love Ghibli girls like San and Fio, but it was so refreshing to see one who was actually kind of unlikeable at first. The dreamlike atmosphere of the village and the Oiwa's country home instantly won me over too, it feels like many places I've been to here in Canada even though its set in Japan (and is originally set in England).
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>>3659158
I like the part where she wants to do it with her grandma.

I kid, I kid. It's nice to see how enthusiastic you are about the film and book, assuming you are the above scholar Anon.
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>>3659158
My favorite Ghibli movies are Whisper of the heart and this one, both are sadly on the shadow of the other films of the studio.
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>>3659204
Surely Only Yesterday is their best drama film.
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I'm no scholar, but I thank you the same, I'm just the OP and am trying to continue the discussion, though considering I forgot about this thread for months and came back to it alive and well I guess there's a small but dedicated Marnie fandom that shares my enthusiasm. Who knows, maybe in 20 years when Ghibli is no more (I pray it doesn't come to that but Miyazaki himself has said its bound to fold eventually) it'll suddenly be recognized by fans and critics as being a neglected classic of the latter-day period of the studio. When that day comes we can be smug hipsters and tell everyone that we were fans of WMWT before it was cool.

>>3659204

Whisper of the Heart is indeed a fantastic film, it breaks my heart that Kondo died before he could make more films. Damn the Nipponese and their penchant for working themselves to death.
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>>3660321
Not bait and switch. They're just lesbians throughout.
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Today on Wikipedia
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>Author longed to bang a child version of her mum
Based
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Dang, nice catch. It makes me sad to think that Robinson didn't have a good relationship with her mum (does any female author?) but it makes a lot of stuff in Marnie click into place. She clearly had a very good grasp of what feeling lonely and uncared for feels like for a young girl and what an amazing lifeline it is to have some more outgoing, extroverted person come into your life and force you to come out of your shell a little more. I just recently had a minor epiphany that the very reason I enjoyed the movie and book so much is because it reminded me of the very same thing happening to me in my life around the same time.
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I’m glad Marnie isn’t too mainstream. There’s already enough morons going around saying “b-but she was her grandma!” as if that changes the textually explicit intimate interest they had in each other. Shit, Anna will *never* think of Marnie as ‘grandma’ or ‘gran’ or whatever the fuck, she’ll always be Marnie, the beautiful girl I met in the house by the lake.
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>>3661608
>Anna will *never* think of Marnie as ‘grandma’ or ‘gran’ whenever they fuck
Probably for the better
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And while I’m here, someone wrote a nice little fic not too long ago: https://archiveofourown.org/works/37197082

Once in a blue moon, for this fandom.
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Just bought this book thanks to this thread and the archived one. Gonna a have a nice comfy road trip desu
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>>3601745
>the only major source that's touched on /u/ themes in Marnie is this dead tree NYT article from 2015.
Did you ever come across the book scholarly book "Jungian Perspectives on Indeterminate States: Betwixt and Between Borders"? based on the excerpts you can read on Google Books, it talks about the gay themes in the film. You can find the full pdf on libgen.
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>>3662428 (cont.)
I also came across this: https://books.google.fi/books?hl=en&lr=&id=xkX1DwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT149&dq=%22when+marnie+was+there%22+same-sex&ots=UPG606mk5Z&sig=Iva6v9u4JJKT7VqKbixMb5kuGig&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22when%20marnie%20was%20there%22%20same-sex&f=false
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Hahaha somehow this is turning out to be much harder than it should. Anyway here are a couple pages from an artbook of Yonebayashi.
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Neat. Thank you for your efforts.
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Your welcome! I couldn't find a pdf of the book anywhere (else I would have just posted screenshots of that) so I decided to just take a couple photos even if they are kinda junk.
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>autistic gay child in love with a girl I can never have
Anna is literally me.
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The part at the festival where Anna calls that girl a fat pig is very much a "was it autism?" moment.
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>threads been up for 5 whole months

I love you guys.
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>>3682237
I'm sorry your sister doesn't feel the same way.

>>3623815
Now for some more obsessive sleuthing. Unfortunately, no concrete progress. I discovered that the BBC does have an internal newspaper, called Ariel. My hope was that 1971 issues might contain useful information. I found issues from 2009-2010 online, but no older ones. I also couldn't figure out whether any libraries have an archive of them.

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I just wish she'd return my calls.
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I'll look up Ariel whenever I'm next at the library, although I'm not counting on finding anything still. I wrote a little about what there is to know about that adaptation in a review of all of Robinson's works I recently did https://jayfax.neocities.org/joan/joan-g-robinson-and-her-works.html
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Fantastic stuff there anon! I'm so glad you updated your blog, I had a real good time reading through it when I discovered it through the Marnie thread on here last year. You really are like our resident Robinson scholar, I'm humbled by your dedication to searching for every interview and scrap you can get from the archives.

>I am Anna of course, and Marnie is my mother. My mother was always un-get-atable

Oh no, she's throwing fuel on the Marnie/Anna fire from beyond the grave isn't she?
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Freud would be proud, I think.
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>>3565991
I loved this movie, especially since it broke me apart in fine gravel. I cried twice watching it in the theater and since then 'Fine on The Outside' makes me tear up a little.
>yes but what about /u/
There's not much to see here. it's a story about friendship and family, though it does open itself up to yuri interpretations, especially with how attached to Marnie Anna gets by the midpoint of the movie. given her age, it's also her first real friendship which she experiences at a pivotal moment. it might be taken as blossoming sexuality and romance, but I always felt it was more like a mixture of raw and unprecedented feelings. there's definitely affection there, but it's hard to see how much of it may be romantic.

one thing I can definitely say is that I would have given my left hand to experience what Anna did. a secret friend, one who comes out of the blue and understands and even supports your 'strangeness' when you are at your must vulnerable in life is an endlessly precious thing. the /u/ aspect is just the cherry on top.
overall it's a terrific, beautifully haunting movie. I fell in love with it.
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Oh man, I really do envy you getting to see it in the theatre, I only discovered it in 2017 when I did a marathon of every Ghibli movie to date (its still the last movie they released which is disappointing). It sounds like your feelings parallel mine to a large degree, it really bowled me over the first time I watched it and even went back to watch it again 2 times more over the next few days, something which I NEVER do for movies. Since then I've restricted myself to watching Marnie at most once a year so that it doesn't lose its impact, something which Miyazaki himself said you should do with all Ghibli movies.
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>>3703440
expanding on my previous point, there's a hidden layer to it: I went to the theater having already watched the movie a few months prior (which already destroyed me). I was with my then-girlfriend and I started bawling right at the opening titles (which earned me a few looks). by the end of the movie I was not the only one tho.
bonus: said girlfriend agreed Anna and Marnie were totally an item
I also agree the movie should be watched sparingly. in fact I downloaded it again since stumbling on this thread, I have to find a free night with a few kilos of ice cream as moral support and watch it again...
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>bonus: said girlfriend agreed Anna and Marnie were totally an item

Haha it must be nice to have that validation. I bet a couple of the people who starred at you were getting bleary-eyed at the end as well.

I think a major part of the emotional punch the movie has is its stellar score, I listen to the soundtrack ever so often and I always want to pick up my pen and start writing heart-rending romance whenever I do. Takatsugu Muramasu's lush, orchestral themes really do add weight to the story. It feels like its the music for some sweeping historical drama like an Austen novel or even War and Peace, but no, its the music for a story about sad girls in boats, and I love that understated contrast.

If I had to pick out one moment that always leaps out at me, its that bell-like instrument that starts to play when Anna first explores the marsh house, I can't identify it, but it sounds sort of like something you would find in a gamalan collection. I would post the track but apparently between now and last time I checked the ost is no longer on youtube, just a few select live performances, covers and other stuff. I would definitely encourage you all pick up the full collection, including the
Image Album (which has my favourite track "High Tide Low Tide which I believe is used in the trailer) and the Priscilla Ann album, which is REALLY gonna get the tears flowing.
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>>3701452
I share the same attitude about watching films, not something I want to lose to background noise. Although I've read the book a lot.
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Ah, you know the soundtrack is on Soundcloud. Very beautiful. https://soundcloud.com/alfred93845892/4-the-marsh-house?in=alfred93845892/sets/when-marnie-was-there
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the score is absolutely phenomenal and as I said Fine on the Outside is one of the few songs that still gets me all teary-eyed years and years after listening to it for the first time.

there's something so magically sorrowful and yet full of hope about that song, about the struggles it is about. as I said in my previous post, I think the true strength of the movie is not (just) in its s/u/ggestions, but in the theme of feeling lonely, abandoned, unable to communicate. and that there's a whole world outside of you that you cannot reach, for some reason.
for some reason, it's on the other side of this invisible plastic-y film which you can pull but never tear.

back when I was Anna's age I often got lost in writing, poetry and other stuff. middle school was the cruelest period of my life and I would have given my limb to have someone like Marnie come to me.

thankfully things did improve, but the movie has this uncanny ability to worm itself beneath scabbed skin and set its claws onto so much scar tissue, it just rips it apart with utter abandon.

it's one of the reasons why I definitely don't watch it often and in fact if memory serves I did not watch it for years. it's just a little too raw and emotional for me.

I think one of the way to get over these feelings would be to pen down a short novel about the same kind of experience. Maybe because I really started using writing as a way to retire into my own world and to pull layers over my wounds at about Anna's age.
I might get to it this summer, if I can find my keyboard under the deluge of tears

>>3704561
I had no idea about this, thanks sister!

it even feels magical being able to talk about this. it's such a hidden gem.
sure, most people coming of the theatre might have found it emotionally complex and compelling, but to me (and as it seems to the rest of you) it was such an overwhelming, primal experience.

it's cliche to talk about life-changing movies... but I think this is one.
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>>3704912

>here's something so magically sorrowful and yet full of hope about that song, about the struggles it is about

That about sums up my feelings towards the movie as a whole pretty well. Its got a wistful, melancholy atmosphere to it that no other Ghibli movie has.
Kind of a digression, but has anyone here seen Mary and the Witch's Flower?
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>>3707317
>Mary and the Witch's Flower
no but I might in June when I have more time
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>>3577314
Unironically kill yourself.
image I stole from last year's thread.
for context:
Edward (literally Marnie's Cousin) is also her fiancé.
Or, in other words:
-incest is clearly a non-issue for this author
-Marnie quite literally states she likes Anna more anyways.
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Oh, hey, can't believe I missed this thread for like... 7 months.
I'm the one who did this AMV: https://files.catbox.moe/bseybd.mp4

Since then, I have also made a small essay about Anna and her introversion. Not super /u/ relevant, but I do plan to some day follow it up with a proper exploration of Anna's and Marnie's relationship.
In any case, here it is. If you love this movie half as much as me, you may find this enjoyable.
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>>3708049

Oh man I'm so glad you reposted that AMV, I was thinking about posting it myself when I made this thread...7 months ago? Wow. I couldn't find it in my Marnie folder and I figured it was somewhere else I couldn't locate.

I think your essay touches on some really key scenes from the story, that opening scene where Anna begins to panic after being approached by the teacher really is a seminal moment in telling you that this is gonna be a different kind of movie than usual made for kids. Protagonist is shy, good at drawing, suffering from a panic/asthma attack? Not at all the typical happy-go-lucky heroine whose singing with the birds about meeting some prince or dreams coming true or some shit.

I also like the breakdown of the scene at the festival. For me, the moment when Anna calls Nobuko a fat pig was when I decided I genuinely liked her as a character. The earlier comment she makes in her head about her mum complaining like a mule struck me as pretty meanspirited, but the festival scene was dangerously close to a couple of tiffs I've had in real life. I instantly identified with Anna there, which I guess says a lot about me as a person haha.
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Ok but seriously, why her grandma?
Marnie could've been a maid at Anne's house who took care of her after her parents died and the rest of the story could've been the same.

Am I the only one that feels that was sort of added as a last-minute effort to avoid people reading the obvious gay into the story?
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>>3710595
I doubt that was a concern in a children's novel written in 1967.
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>>3710595
It's the wistful longing for a friendship and a connection that never could have been. Surely you've seen photos of your grandma as a kid and wished you could have spent time together ||and done lewd stuff||?
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>>3710595
What do you mean? They are obviously just relatives and are 100% not gay at all. What could possibly give you the impression that they could have possibly been written as gay and not totally normal, non-incestuous relatives?
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>>3710595

If you read the interview with Joan Robinson that's part of anon's blog here >>3696082 it turns out that Marnie is actually quite explicitly meant to be a stand-in for her mother, and Anna is her self-insert, which just adds sssoooooo many more dimensions of weird quasi-pseudo yuri incest to the ship. Its seriously been making my head spin thinking about every since I learned this.
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>>3696082
>>3710667
Holy shit anon, the amount of work put into the blog is astounding. I already loved your stories last year, and I actually re-read your trip to Burnham from time to time as a form of escapism to my own inability to travel, but this new one is genuinely blowing me away with the process of investigation it took you. Like, making-me-emotional tiers of blowing away.
I guess it's nice knowing I'm not alone in my everburning love for this book and that there's someone out there who is even more dedicated... and living in the perfect place to be so!
Really, thank you for giving us (specifically me, screw everyone else) this glimpse into the life and works of the woman that wrote this story I love so much.
Also, assuming you're still in the thread and reading this, a small request (That would be understandably rejected as it's a lot of work):
Would it be possible to scan (or take photos of) the non-available books you have in your possession? Those being The House in the Square, Summer Surprise and Meg and Maxie (I do so wish to read them, but the books are unavailable online and the hard/softcovers + shipping expenses of physical versions would literally take away like 2 months of my wages (3rd world country life lmao)).
Again, 's just a request that I don't even know will reach you, and it's probably too much work to be worth the trouble, but it'd also help with immortalizing Joan's work online and make it available for those who seek it.
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>>3710702
>>3696082
>>3710667
As a side note, on the Joan and her mother thing:
As stated before, in the book, Joan seems to have little issue with incest. Whether consciously or not I don't think it's that wild to imagine she developed a bit of an oedipus complex that she probably managed to come to terms with (unconsciously) while writing Marnie.
I mean, even if it's not the case, the romantic undertones of both book and movie are way too strong for it to only be a coincidence. I mean come on! It's insane how gay this book is.
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Oh my god, guys I just realized. Now that we know that Marnie is supposed to be Robinson's mom, that means that Edward/Kazuhiko isn't really Marnie's cousin, she's Robinson'is FATHER. She (Anna) is jealous of her father monopolizing her mother's love and attention and Jesus this shit got Oedipal fast.
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>>3710702
Thank you, very kind of you to say. I'd love to push myself further research wise, but wonder if I reached the end - I'll be real, there's no reason to be sure there's photos of the 1971 adaptation.
>Would it be possible to scan (or take photos of) the non-available books you have in your possession?
Possibly! Can't make promises, but would need to get a good scanner + overall find some time. I used one of those all-in-one printer scanners to get those sample illustrations (that I cleaned up) but can't rely on it to do whole books.
>>3708049
I love this music video, I shared it with friends first time round it was shared here. And great write-up, felt very personal.
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>>3710843
>Possibly!
That's more than I expected! Thanks for at least considering it, sis.
And for your research... well, it may be fruitless, but who knows what else you could potentially find? Good luck with it, if you decide to continue!
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You know, I've been thinking:
Anna being based on Joan and Marnie being based on her mother doesn't necessarily mean oedipus complex
I have a novel where all 3 main characters are in a "love triangle" (not quite, but close enough) and each of them is also based in a different aspect of myself—My angry and violent teenage self, my overconfident insufferable teenage self, and my smart shy teenage self—and it doesn't necesarily mean it's a story about me loving myself. Basing characters in our own experiences is a standard affair to make them easier to write, and often times there's no need ot look a lot deeper than that.

Oh, how I wish Joan was still alive to be able to talk with her...
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>>3711706

What I gather from this anon is that you secretly want to have a threesome with identical clones of yourself.
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>>3712110
Not that anon, but who doesn't?
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>>3711706
>Dear Ms. Robinson,
>I and several other people on a certain website adore your novel When Marnie was There. Could you settle something for us? Did you want to fuck your mom and kill your dad?
>Yours sincerely, Anon
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>>3712395
Honestly I'd just ask her "Ok but did you realize how fucking gay this book is while writing it or was it purely accidental?"
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>>3712599
There’s so many authors I’d love to pose that question to.
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Thinking about how Jacqueline Wilson, author of 1991 novel The Story of Tracy Beaker, and many other children's girl novels, only came out as lesbian back in 2020. I remember a lot of people felt vindicated in their views of queer themes in her stuff,

So it was a matter of time to confirm that, and otherwise Robinson ran out of time. In this respect, I don't think it's entirely silly to wonder what Robinson could of told us...
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>>3712627
Haven't read that book. Is similar in any way to Marnie?
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>>3712627
I looked this this author up and decided to buy what seems to be the first book she published after coming out on my lunch break.
Funnily enough, one of the bully-turned-love-interest's friends is called Marnie.
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>>3713582
I only brought Tracy Beaker because it's her most well known work It deals with an emotionally troubled "sort-of-adopted" girl, so technical similarities with Marnie end there. It's about a girl vying for the affection of a potential foster mother, who's unsure of committing to her.
Her more attestedly sapphic works was stuff like pic related, full of touchy-feely girl friendship/love drama.
>>3713664
I've heard about this book! I haven't got round to reading it, it's something I've been meaning to show-and-tell for >>>/u/lit when I would. Thanks for reminding me, I really should now.
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>>3713695

That girl on the right though

>nyeheheheh,I'm gonna pee in the bed and there's nothing they can do about it!
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>>3713725
Hot.
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>>3713695
Just finished reading it: I found it interesting (if a little rambling and overlong). In particular, the characters were well drawn and believable; Sally for instance made sense as an object of gay attraction for Frankie while herself being nuanced and neither the seductive bad girl nor a pure sweet angel.
The ending was good and has me lying in bed thinking back over the path that led there and replaying the last scene and its preceding conversation.
Needed more lesbian sex scenes, but that's most books.
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>>3713832
Maybe comment it on the /ulit/ thread?
Do answer this for me, though: Do they get together or not. Just yes/no please. A lot of authors think they're cheeky not actually getting the MC and their love interest together but that's just unsatisfying to me.
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>>3713846
>Do they get together or not
Yes and no. It's not one-sided gay pining, but it's not a beautiful fulfilling relationship. They get together but break up, and it closes on an ambiguous note where they might be able to reconnect. The messiness and awkwardness of young teenage first relationships is a key theme of the book.
To elaborate: Sally has kind of a shallow selfish personality and a manipulative streak, and a lot of the book is Frankie getting carried away and it not being clear if Sally feels the same way. They do get together and Sally's not just stringing Sally along, but Sally wants more of a special romantic friendship instead of a relationship, and it has to be secret, and she denies feeling anything for Frankie publicly, greatly upsetting her and leading Frankie to break it off. At the end they have a conversation where they come understand each other a bit better, and Sally tries to prove she can make things work, but Frankie's still not sure, and it finishes on an open-ended note, though with the clear implication that whatever happens next they probably won't stay high school sweethearts and grow up and get married ant shit.
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>>3714162
Well... fuck. Guess I won't be reading then. Still, guess it's good she at least tried.
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>>3714199
Well, the book is about the confusion of early adolescence, not a gay love story as such. It's not picture-perfect and uplifting, and that might be something you're seeking out, but I found it really engaging and I think it'd be a shame to discount it on that basis.
You could describe the ending as satisfactorily imperfect: at the end of the book, they both still love each other, but by being dumb kids they (mostly Sally) made a mess of the whole "being girlfriends" thing. Frankie was naïve and idealistic; Sally was selfish and thoughtless. I reread that last conversation I referred to and came away with a mose cautiously optimistic impression: I can see it working out, just with some reevaluation and more honest communication required. The relationship didn't simply implode and end; both girls want it to continue, though Sally needs to earn Frankie's trust back.
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Have you guys got a favourite shot from the movie?
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>>3715035
Not really, since I love every second of it, But I've had the Marsh House as my desktop wallpaper for over 3 years at this point.

Also do you remember the time of he movie at which the shot in the middle-left happens?
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>>3715536

I believe its during the scene where Anna is in the boat with Toichi before she's met Marnie.
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I'm not so sure of this, but wouldn't Marnie and Kiki be roughly the same age?
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>>3637807
bloody 'ell mate all that pagan talk is driving me mad
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>>3710667
>Writing stories based on your desire to be taken care of and fucked by your mom
Well I admire her bravery. If we can't explore taboos in art then where can we really?
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This movie has such a pull over me. I hope to do it justice one day.
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>>3721358
mood. I've been wanting to write a fanfic about it for years, but I'm so... scared of ruining it for myself, for some dumb reason.
It's that feeling that as soon as I soil my own experiences with the movie/book by writing about it, my prior enjoyment will be gone. Which is partially true, I guess, but... idk.
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>>3722799

I can only speak for myself but I don't feel like making derivative works impacts my experience of the original work at all. Go ahead and write your fic! There's hardly any Marnie fanfics out there, its a wide open market.
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>>3724990
>>3722799
Seconded, I’d read any fics based off of Marnie as long as they’re not egregiously long
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I will never be able to not cry while watching this movie
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>>3730690

What's the scene that does it for you? I'm usually able to stay dry for most of the duration but from the scene where Anna runs in the rain from the windmill on to the end of the movie the waterworks begin and don't stop.
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>>3731100
For me it's not one scene, it's... the movie. I always cry at different points as I realize more details about it, as my understanding deepens. This si why the movie is so special to me.
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It might be time for the rewatch.
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>>3735917
>>3735918
These were made entirely in picrew? They’re excellent, I adore them.
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>>3735917
>>3735918
This is pretty accurate and cool actually. Mind sharing the picrew? I googled it but came up empty handed
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>>3733355
this art is fucking gorgeous what the hell
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Ah, it's this one https://picrew.me/image_maker/701767
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Anyone else think Marnie would make for a good walking simulator game?
You just get to experience the story but literally from Anna's POV and without any of the context clues the movie/book gives as to Marnie being fake, other than the obvious one of the Marsh House being abandoned. I think it would make for a uniquely soothing experience.
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>>3744617

>Marnie being fake

GET OUT UNBELIEVER
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>>3736551

I definitely think that Marnie could be adapted into a solid 5-10 hour adventure game, don't know how many people would play it, but it would be neat.
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>>3712599
given her age, I'm fairly certain she probably would've been deeply offended by the question. Comphet gay people tend to be the most homophobic facing outwards.
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>>3738544
thanks sis
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>>3755024
What if you asked it while in bed after having seduced her?
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>>3748044
I'd play one that was even just inspired by it. "Non-tropical seaside town" is an underused setting, and the way things change with the tides and time of day in the story would be a neat thing to see in a game.
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>>3770471
let it die
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>>3770916
daga kotowaru
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Probably the most meaningful movie to me. It is close to my heart as a lesbian who grew up feeling 'on the outside' too.

It first came out when I was a little kid, maybe 10 or so, and I did not know why I was so enthralled from the trailer alone. The themes in the movie hit close to home- Anna has to learn to accept love, and likes to isolate herself. Many young lesbians have this feeling of 'otherness' growing up, that they can't put their finger on. I always felt weird about even hugging other girls, and had best friends I wanted to keep all to myself, and pretended to date, as their boyfriend. I liked watching Anna become more open to others through the love that Marnie gave her. And she does kind of wallow- but she's 12, she's angsty you know?

When I finally got to watch this at 16, not too long ago, it opened me up to yuri. I let my hair grow long in tribute to Marnie, so I could have mine look like hers. cringe. And around that time, I met my Anna. She was so shy, we first became close when we were 14/15, and ditched everyone else to spend a lot of time together. She reminded me of Anna in that she was artistic, but closed off too, and the time we spent wasn't something we shared with others. time passed, I saw her a few months ago, a little older. We caught up again, i found out that she'd been going through depression. She kind of gets trapped at home by her strict parents and her own anxiety, but I was so happy to take her out, dance with her, and everything. And I thought, I know I'm leaving for a new town, new school and everything, so I will charge her up with as much love as possible, before I move on. So we spent time in each other's arms, and I tried to let her know how much I cared before I left. I hope it worked. I still pray for her often, because I love her. I don't think, without this movie, I would've been brave enough to try that.
The town I moved to is also an English seaside town, with a tall windmill, just like the book, which is sweet.
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>>3773368
>I tried to let her know how much I cared before I left. I hope it worked.
You tongued her arsehole, right? That's the best way to tell a girl you care about her.
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>>3773368
I'm glad you've found a movie that matters this much to you. Best of luck with your future endeavors.
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>>3773368
>It first came out when I was a little kid, maybe 10 or so
>2014
>That was 8 years ago
God I'm old.

Still, you do understand there's instant messaging in the 21st century, right? How far is the town you're moving to, anyways? If it's anything under 3 hours you're being overdramatic, just make the trip back every weekend or ask her to come meet you. I make a 2 hours trip every morning and evening to and from college lmao.
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>>3773620
Thank you fren ^^

>>3773629
I can’t believe 2014 was that long ago either dayum.
We had a disagreement about her life choices and I agreed with her parents who see the damage she’s doing to herself, instead of being ‘cool’ about things, like her other friends. So she hasn’t got back to me since. Four hours is a long way for someone who won’t text back. I do cherish the time we had together though, and this movie reminds me of that time. I don’t know about you but i think you should make your college roommates watch this so you can cry together lol
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>>3696082
There's a forum for former BBC employees, and in the "history" section, there's a post by a guy who is trying to fill gaps in his collection of Ariel and other publications. He doesn't say which years he already has, but he does give his email address. Maybe he would be willing to leaf through a few issues to see if there's anything relevant. It's a long shot, but the kind of person who hordes publications might actually enjoy being asked to look something up.

Someone who really wants to play the long game could get active in a local museum or historical society in the area near Burnham-Overy, and then push to develop a display about the novel and author. Then the institution could contact the BBC archives on an official basis and see if they still have the pictures.
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>>3778066
Damn, you're going deep. Every day more based my sister.
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So there's a redraw challenge going around in facebook centered on marnie, I wish I used it so that I could find it.
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>>3565991
super slow. Go in expecting that, or it'll be a boring slog. better on a second viewing. that fact that she's her granny ruins the ship for me.
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>>3788467
Revolutionary thought. Really.
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>>3788467
>super slow. Go in expecting that, or it'll be a boring slog
I didn't went in expecting that and it ended up being the best movie I have ever seen. Maybe you need to stop expecting every movie to be an action flick.
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>>3788467
>fact that she's her granny ruins the ship for me
pathetic
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>>3708049
Catbox seems to be fucking dead, so I have updated the store place for the amv, should you be interested

https://mega.nz/file/sl5EyazS#2vmMEskV9wa4_yJo760ra29IdP5Bml_AzxP9TD2e1Jw
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Why was the movie localized to Japan anyways. Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?
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>>3803614
It's because I was living in Sapporo at the time, so they made that Anna's hometown. It's also why they didn't make her fully Japanese but did keep her autistic and gay.
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>>3803614
How do you expect mighty Yamato to empathize with filthy gaijin?
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>>3708049
I ended up writing a sequel to this, focused on Anna and Marnie's relationship. Still not the gayest, as I focus more on the psychology of the situation, but I do touch on it a bit.
https://pastebin.com/Ws65keaZ
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>>3807468
>Still not the gayest
There's still time to go back and add sex scenes, or even just a vivid fantasising-while-masturbating sequence.
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>>3807468

I've really enjoyed your essays on the story anon, you're analysis really hits at the appeal of Marnie as a bildungsroman for an introverted, mentally unwell tween girl. I laughed at your metaphor of Marnie was being an emotional support ghost. A T/u/lpa if you will.
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>>3807468
That frame feels like a liminal space, lol
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>>3810448
it kind of is. The mansion is abandoned after all
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>>3812934
Not true. Marnie lives there. She's real and she's my girlfriend and no, you can't meet her.
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>>3565991
The last great Ghibli production that really feels like a Ghibli production
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>>3803614
>>3803629
Partially localized does make less sense than fully localized. I still haven't seen the movie, but at least the atmosphere of the story seems like it can accommodate some added weirdness.
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>>3803614
>I was living in Sapporo at the time
Huh? Who are you?
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>>3822571
Your grandma when she was your age.
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>>3803629
was there a silo on the hill where you had night time sex with your grandma's ghost in a storm?
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Anna holds the rare distinction of being the only girl in anime to be cucked by her own grandfather. As far as I know.
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>>3827186
I'm sure this applies to someone in the expanded School Days lore
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>>3827186
there has to be some timetravel story where this happens too
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I've actually found a copy of a recent russian edition of the book in a central library. I'm quite surprised.
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And it contains original illustrations.
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>>3831006
Nice find! Shame though that there's no uniquely Russian illustrations.
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>>3831307
>uniquely Russian illustrations.
What exactly would qualify as such?
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>>3831359
Imagine Marnie in a track suit.
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>>3831359
I just mean illustrations custom-made for the Russian edition.

But yeah, >>3831383
Marnie in a track suit.
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>>3831307
>>3831359
As far as I'm aware I think only the chinese edition got custom illustrations, as indicated earlier in the thread >>3602472
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>>3831383
>>3831495
>>3831719
>illustrations custom-made for the Russian edition
Is >>3831007 not it, then?
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>>3831732
Nope. Not sure if they're from the original edition of the book, but they're in the kindle version at least.
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>>3831738
>>3831732
Yeah, those are the originals.



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