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Actual Good Ship Edition

Chapter 200 (!) coming soon (!!!)

Previous Thread >>3563164
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>>3583400
Chapter 200 is Yoshimoko.
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I wonder if something big's gonna happen on chapter 200

With all these x.2 type chapters it feels like they're purposefully trying to delay hitting chapter 200 until they can get to something specific.
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>>3583410
I'm sure mako is okay with yoshida sleeping with someone else, as long as it's a girl.
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>>3583412
Maybe a guy confesses at Tomoko.
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>>3583510
Highschool jap culture of confessing before you even know the other person is so weird how is that in any way going to lead to a success, not saying it'd happen but if it did since tomoko has no close guy friends it'd be someone she's not interacted with much
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>>3583531
>confessing before you even know the other person
I'm not sure that's how it goes
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As some of you may know, there was a watamote event that took place on the 14th.
Here is the cover of a Nemo artbook anthology featuring the lewd pink being lewd and pink.
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Has anyone confessed to Tomoko yet?
I don't recall.
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>>3583673
Here is a page from an if book that I actually bought
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>>3583678
Kii-chan has.
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>>3583681
That's right. Feels like forever ago now.
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>>3583510
>Some random guy from a neighboring class confesses to Tomoko and she's so flustered she accepts
>She spends the night trying to be happy about finally succeeding at her goal, but all she feels is anxiety
>She comes to school a tired, nervous wreck, only to discover that the boy slipped and fell on railroad tracks the previous day, dying instantly
>Tomoko tries to feel like a mourning girlfriend, but soon realizes all she feels is relief at not having to go through with it
>When Tomoko tells Asuka about her feelings, she just smiles at her like an angel and tells her it's pefectly normal and good to want to stay away from boys and that she's happy this is all it took for Tomo-chan to realize it
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>>3583531
>Highschool jap culture of confessing before you even know the other person is so weird
it's just a case of the same word(even translated) meaning different things in different cultures. Heck, I'm from Germany, and I always found it weird how Americans make such a big deal about the word "love" even when two people have been fucking for weeks.
>Oh my god, she said she loved me. I mean yeah, we went on 50 dates, i met her parents, we planned our future together and i licked her asshole yesterday, but I'm not sure we're 'there' yet
Until I realized that in America they consider "love" something far more special than here in Germany. Here in Germany that word is used for something slightly stronger than "having a crush on someone" but it is not necessarily as big as wanting to marry someone.
It's the same in Japan based on what I can tell. Thus when kohai tells senpai "I love you" it just means she has a crush on that person and wants to date to get to know each other personally. Nothing more nothing less.
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>>3583690
What's the german equivalent to american love?
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>>3583708
I don't think there is a word for it, at least not one people normally use. When you're ready to go full commitment, you just do whatever you think it entails, like moving in together or marriage etc. There is never a point where people tell each other they are soulmates now.
I guess the closet to it is "true love".
But to me that would sound fishy. Imagine
Girl A "I think I'm truly in love with you."
Girl B "Wait, you weren't in love with me before?"
So in the end we just use the word "love" for all stages of a romantic relationship, just like how the word can also be used for platonic love. It just depends on the context.
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>>3583400
Next chapter will be C.199-3 and the like.
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>>3583687
Asuka would never help boyfriend-san fall on railroad tracks.
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>>3583531
The culture of confession and dating in manga, movies, dramas and fiction is very different, at least between Japan and the European-speaking world. Probably, even in the European-speaking world, mutts, Britbongs, Germanic peoples, and Latin peoples are all different.

If you are a mutt who wants to enjoy Japanese manga more, you need to learn more about these subtleties to enjoy it, and if you don't want to enjoy it, just go back to domestic works. It's that simple, right?
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>>3583710
In Japan, especially in the world of fiction, we tend to be very particular about the level of relationship, whether it is acquaintance, friend, best friend, or lover. This is because it's fun. The vague phrase "more than friends, but less than lovers" is often used to describe couples who are just starting out. In a way, it's a somewhat digital concept, with stages between the beginning of the relationship and the proposal.

However, I don't hear many real-life Japanese couples being so particular about whether they are friends or lovers. If there is a difference, it is probably the difference between a sex pal (unbounded) and a regular partner (bounded). Also, in real life, couples don't go through the lengthy interaction process of Japanese romance manga before having sex and/or confession for the first time, leading to a climacs. The majority have sex on the first date or after a few dates. It's no different from other mutts.

From what the mutts says, guessing for them, they'll have the perception of a continuous amount of analogs, from dating to proposal.

Incidentally, it is y/u/ri here, and needless to say, yuri literature is extremely sensitive to the relationship between the girls. The same can be said for the yuri-like manga Watamote.
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>>3583744
>mutts
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>>3583714
And even if we were to discuss the love stories of each ethnic group in the real world, it would be very dangerous to apply that discussion to y/u/ri.

This is because 'yuri' is a literary art form, a young literary art form that emerged in Japan in the last three decades of the 20th century, began to emerge as a genre in the 21st century, and has become widely known around the world in the last decade or so.

Lesbianism is a sexual orientation, and homosociality, female-bonding, and womance are all terms in the field of social ethics studies, which can be used as tools of analysis, but they cannot directly describe yuri literature.
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>>3583733
That's right. After all, she was seen with a bunch of different girls in 3 separate countries at the time of the incident. It's impossible to connect her to the case. Incidentally, they were all short, flat-chested, plain dark-haired loners. What a funny coincidence, haha.
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>>3583400
Very nice.
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>>3583750
Kaho isn't flat. The other two are.
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>>3583764
Close enough for Asuka apparently.
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>>3583831
I still can't believe Komi died.
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>>3583764
That's why Asuka dumped her.
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Asuka is real vixen
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>>3583690
>It's the same in Japan based on what I can tell. Thus when kohai tells senpai "I love you" it just means she has a crush on that person and wants to date to get to know each other personally. Nothing more nothing less.
"I love you" in Japanese is considered so direct, that it is said that the best translation is 月が綺麗ですね(isn't the moon beautiful). Realistically people tend to use 好き(like) instead of love though, which makes it less direct, but can still also be considered pretty direct when used specifically as a standing for "love". This is probably what often gets translated to "I love you" in manga unless somebody is being confessed to on their deathbed or something.
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>>3583400
Now this is a real thread.
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I laughed.
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>>3583412
I'm convinced this is exactly what it is.
The New Game author said he had a deal with the editor to put out an artbook once he reached fifty chapters. I doubt NT would do or agree to anything that big but they're probably under pressure to do something. If we're counting by real chapter numbers we hit 200 back when Volume 20 released.
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>>3583764
>>3583750
Isn't Kaho the only one in the group who is shorter than Tomoko, though? Suspicious.
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>>3584211
Kaho is short but not that short.
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>>3583400
>Actual Good Ship Edition
>it's YoshiMoko
Finally, some good fuckin' ship. Bless OP.
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>>3584211
Kaho is not short at all. (as Asians)
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>>3584181
>>3583412
That would be neat, but if it's something within the story it would have to be out of left field. I can't think of any moments they've been building toward or plot threads that have been dangling lately.
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why they had to kill such a great ship

i kinda hate mako for this
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>>3584320
They'll finally do the terrorist attack on the school arc that's been foreshadowed since the first volume.
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>>3584320
Something big doesn't necessarily need a buildup
Imagine the chapter starts normally but then around page 8 Tomoko opens her locker and finds a love letter in it. We don't have to know who it is from yet, that can be revealed in following chapters, but this alone would be an insanely huge development for this series.
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>>3584433
It's normal to hate Mako. I used to assume her fight with Yuri was just from Yuri being autistic and misunderstanding their previous conversations, but now I think Mako was probably being intentionally vague and stringing her along to put off turning her down as long as possible.

Reminds me of someone I knew in high school who would always agree to plans and then cancel at the last minute instead of turning you down up front.
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>>3584433
>>3584508
>hating the gayest girl in the series
Heresy.
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Never forget.
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A great example of the "Yuri hugging Tomoko from behind" genre
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>>3584626
Patrician.
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>>3584657
>me when I enter a conversation
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>>3584445
Both it being from a girl or a faceless boy would be interesting. A girl would mean progress with one in the harem, a boy would mean seeing Asuka's, Ucchi's, etc. reaction
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>>3583412
>Tomoko will trip and fall and passionatly fuck one of the girls by accident while everyone around her will pass it off as "another weird thing that tomoko does"

>meanwhile Nemo will stare blankly into space and say something like "is it possible that kuro....might SWING that way????"

>asuka dies from unknown causes

>next chapter we see 2 background characters interact briefly
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So is mako trying to say something with these drawings?
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>>3584677
>/u/ moderation guidelines
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>>3584677
This could just be a /u/ banner
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>>3584677
>this page
>the background lesbians
>the first 70 chapters where she had very little input
the theory that the artist is the main /u/ promotor is gaining strength
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>>3584683
>Source: My ass
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>>3583721
Watamote rebuild
199.0 + .053
You shall (not) cum
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>>3584683
I wouldn't be surprised.

>>3584688
Why are you so angry?
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>>3584692
Asuka would never deny Tomoko.
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>>3584688
Source 1: your eyes
Source 2: your eyes
Source 3: some translated nico interview that gets posted here from time to time
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>>3584693
Who would?
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>>3584773
>Source 3: some translated nico interview that gets posted here from time to time
Show me the part where it says that.
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>>3584738
It may be necessary for her training. Asuka knows how promiscuous Tomoko's desires are, so to ensure their happiness together, she'll have to make Tomoko understand that every aspect of her sexuality belongs to Asuka now.
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>>3584657
based Ucchi keeping whores away from her prize
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>>3584657
>AverageOnePieceFag.jpg
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>>3584600
Edit when?
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Ucchi is perfect and UchiMoko is life. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

https://twitter.com/a0dddd/status/1463554686733094915?t=up6mTULVD3fQ0aqhFQn80A&s=19
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What if a faceless background GIRL confesses to Tomoko?
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https://twitter.com/watamote_kuro/status/1462452733215051781
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>>3585172
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>>3585173
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>>3585172
this is the ultimate timeline that's never gonna happen
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>>3585172
If Ucchi showed her non-emoji form to Tomoko more often, she would fall head over heels for her
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>>3585321
>oh no she's hot
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>>3585321
>urinary tract infection
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>>3585172
>>3585173
>>3585174
I just cant see adult tomo as anything else then a neet living of her yuri harem in return sexual favors.
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>>3585359
To understand the grossness, you have to *be* the grossness. That requires getting a little unsanitary sometimes.
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>>3585416
Some plausible career options for adult Tomoko:
> barely scraping by off donations from publishing trashy web novels while mooching off her friends
> eroge writer
> JAV director
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>>3585491
Wrong she will be a successful writer and nemo will voice act in her anime like bakuman
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>>3585174
More domestic UchiMoko
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>>3583743
Jesus Sis, take the stick out of your ass.
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>>3585416
Sex work is employment.
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>>3585321
This beauty is no less than Asuka's. Beginning to understand why Ucchi calls out to others without honorifics, including Asuka.
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>>3585671
Anon, she looks like an egg.
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>>3584626
Yuri did something similar to Tomoki on C.123 , so she has a habit of doing that. Although the pic can't be uploaded because of /u/ ban.
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>>3585241
If there is no plan for a college version, how can there be a working version?
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Someone TL this please, and SFX is also important to the atmosphere, so make an effort. 1/2
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>>3585683
2/2
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>>3585683
p1 f2 カチッ シュッ
*Maybe she's using a hand lighter to light the candles.
p1 f3 ピッ フッ
*Probably she turned off the ceiling light with the remote control, to darken the room.
p2 f1/f2 ポコンッ
p2 f3 2nd bubble ()
p2 f4 フォッ
*Maybe she blew out the candles.
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>asuka is into flat chested black haired loner girls
>kii-chan wants a quirky yet mature onee-san
Asuka x Kii-chan oneeloli when?
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>>3585321
I feel like they're planning to make that a big reveal later on.
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>>3585683
am I the only one starting to really like her?
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>>3586304
sachi is a really well done psycho character, she is irresistible
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>>3586304
I used to, before, you know
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>>3585757
Sometime after Kii-chan sinks a knife into Asuka’s belly several times for bothering Tomoko.
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>>3586334
If by knife you mean fist and by belly you mean pussy, then yes
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>>3586334
Kii-chan's going to love having a second oneechan once Asuka marries Tomoko.
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>>3586361
You’re right, Kii-chan will love having a corpse bricked up in the wall once she marries her onee-chan.
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>>3585757
It's the sudden state change from idolatry to pity that gives her love its potency. She wouldn't have that with Asuka.
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>>3586386
>The thousand injuries of Katou Asuka I had borne as I best could, but when she ventured upon ntr I vowed revenge
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>>3586387
The last time we saw her, Kii chan was impressed by Tomoko's maturity and sociability.
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>>3586531
https://twitter.com/osumoto1/status/1461413874347884545

Are these supposed to be connected?
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>>3586533
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>>3586473
Kii-chan has peculiar tastes. She might enjoy being ntr'd by a tall big-titty oneechan.
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>>3586648
>het marriage
and this is relevant here because?
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>>3586654
People assumed she was gay.
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>>3586648
>>3586656
In her blogpost she didn't specify if she married a man or a woman, just an Italian.
I know, I know, copium and all that jazz.
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>>3586648
>set up a yuri event
>talked about her wlw bdsm fetish
>wrote 2 yuri mangas
>goes to pride parades
>marries a guy anyway
Shes not even alone. Why are japanese women like this?
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>>3586657
Italy doesn't have gay marriage, just civil unions.
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>>3586663
They married in the uk.
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>>3586663
I know, but England does.
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>>3586665
I guess that would work if the theoretical Italian lady has a British citizenship or a settled status.
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>>3586677
She said it's a student, so I guess it's not possible?
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>>3586648
Mamma Mia...
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>>3586659
She's probably bi and marrying a guy leads to an easier life
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>>3586704
She'd do and say more het things if she's really bi, ideally. Not just gay.
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>>3586706
She's probably bi just one of the good ones that knows gay content is worth making while straight content is not
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>>3586763
There are a lot of yuri mangaka who are apparently straight, actually. She may well simply do all this stuff because she’s heavily invested in yuri while being entirely straight herself.
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>>3586824
yeah but how many of those go to pride parades
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>>3586842
There are lots of straight people who go to pride parades, neechan.
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>>3586657
I'll keep believing her spouse is a woman until there are pictures to prove otherwise. Or, more realistically, until some anon tells me there are pictures and I believe it without checking for myself.
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>>3586951
And I'll believe that Kitta married a woman regardless of evidence.
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And you should care about a voice actress's love life because..?
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>>3587133
Because she was a yuri mangaka too and set up a yuri event.
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>>3586824
But how many of those set up bdsm themed yuri events?
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>>3586657
Yahoo Japan has mentioned she married a man but in her blog she hinted she married her female lover during studying in England. Also there are tons of Italian lesbians living in London that want to marry in their homeland but couldn't because it's still banned.
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>>3587170
Didn't Yahoo Japan straight up copy-paste her
blog post?

>>3587133
She is Tomoko's voice actress and the yuri in Watamote started becoming more prominent after she was cast on the role.
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>>3587172
>Didn't Yahoo Japan straight up copy-paste her
blog post?
Entirely yes.
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>>3587170
All she said is that she got married to an italian.

The other reports that specify husband or man or whatever are just assuming she'd marry a guy. They're not based on anything other than what we've seen.

But there's no reason to assume she did considering like, Izumi Kitta's entire life up to this point. Until she posts a picture with a dude and a ring I see no reason to assume a husband.
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>>3587172
I hate this art style desu.
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>>3587170
Why do Pasta people forbid same-sex marriage? Even Japan has institutional privileges, except for kinship laws and inheritance.
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>>3587384
Because Italy is one of the most conservative nations in the EU.
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The facts that can be inductively derived from the fact that Izumi did not reveal her partner's gender are (1) that for the rest of them, it looks unsure what sex, sexuality or gender her partner is. Or (2) she simply forgot or did not reveal her gender out of principle. Either.
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all I know for sure is whatever gender Izumi's partner is, will dictate tomoko's romantic ending as well
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>>3587384
Because that fuck Cavour didn't let Garibaldi end the Papacy in the 19th century when they had the chance.
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yup Tomoko-like
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>>3587384
Italy has civil unions too, which provide the same benefits as a marriage in everything that doesn't involve parenting.
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>>3587417
>tomoko marries a 6 foot 3 italian man
How will /u/ react?
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>>3587460
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>>3587384
We have civil unions, we're slightly ahead of Japan. Best we can do with a parliament of backstabbing traitors.
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>>3587384
They denounce their heritage, just like the Greeks
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>>3587269
>Izumi Kitta's entire life
I really doubt you know anything about her life
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>caring about real life women
Real girls say they're lesbians just to gain attention, stop caring about it.
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>>3587529
>Real girls say they're lesbians just to gain attention
Doubt, but keep trolling though.
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>>3587536
You don't know many girls then
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>>3587540
I do know some but I haven't been out there for a while.
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>>3587543
It's not all of them of course, but many bisluts and straight girls say they're lesbians just for attention
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>>3587561
That's when you rape them into pure lesbianism
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>>3587561
*rolls eyes*
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>>3587561
>straight girls say they're lesbians just for attention
Straight girls don't exist either you go bisexual or die.
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>>3587460
mamma mia de la rosa, time for some pasta
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>>3587561
Maybe that's how it was in the 00s, but kids these days have many more exotic options.
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>>3587578
>Yuri and Tomoko arguing about the best way to eat spaghetti without spilling
>most of it ends up on the floor
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Maybe this is being TL'd? Where? A yuri doujin around Oct. 2019 by Hirata Orikuthi.
https://twitter.com/orikuthi/status/1464881754615934977
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>>3587622
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/sunny_day_for_girls
Been translated.
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I migliori spaghetti.
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>>3587460
>But you promised?!
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>>3587529
You've never touched a real girl.
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>>3587440
I guess it's possible she civil-unioned an Italian woman and just called it marriage. Yes, yes, cope and seethe, /u/ in a meltdown.
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>>3587384
>>3587440
>>3587673
They both got married in ingerland you dumb nonces.
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>>3587943
I doubt two non-citizens from countries that don't even have same-sex marriage could get married in England.
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I want real answers about this Kitta marriage, Detective /u/.
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>>3587952
gay marriage is legal in England and France.
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>>3587967
We will get the job done one way or another.
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>>3587952
An Italian citizen could get married in the UK after applying the EU Settlement Scheme. Normally they wouldn't need to apply for that, before the dumb brexit thing. Kitta could easily apply for a marriage visitor visa or a family visa, she's settling in the UK for over 6 months.
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>>3587967
I would rather have wild fantasies about how Kitta met her wife who is clearly a woman and not anything else. Did they meet in a London flower shop on Christmas Eve, you think?
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>>3588101
Probably met in a gyoza cooking club.
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>>3587952
So, if they got married in the UK and then came back to Japan right away, it is highly likely that they registered their marriage under Japanese domestic law, which means that currently in Japan, same-sex couples are only a social welfare policy and not officially recognized under the Civil Code's Family Law or Marriage Law. Therefore, there is no need to come back to Japan if they are a same-sex couple, and it is very likely that she came to Japan to register their legal marriage as a het marriage.

If you are trying to conduct an international legal marriage that is bound by Japanese law, the procedure is very complicated for cases like Izumi's (assumed to be het marriage).
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>>3587967
That said, Izumi hasn't revealed the gender of her partner, and for now she's probably happy marrying her partner, either male or female, so that's good enough. What more do you need?

If you're LGBT and you're serious about marrying someone of the same sex, then you should think deeply about yourself when you decide to do so. There is no need to be more concerned about other people's marriages, whether they are hetero or same-sex.
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>>3588119
Did she go back to Japan?
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>>3588122
It's a kind of annoying to see a straight girl writing yuri. In most cases, she only likes it because it's exotic, not because it resonates with herself.
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>>3588171
Imagine living in a world where there are so many yuri manga, that you dislike that a lot of them were written by straight people.
Why the fuck does it matter where the story came from? No writer ever has been in an intergalactic war, and yet there are countless sci-fi stories. No one ever time traveled, i bet most were virgins in high school, no one ever performed sorcery, no one was a spy discovering a conspiracy. Do you get it yet?
It's FICTION. It's not a means to pat yourself on the back and say "Look how gay i am! Are you gay too? Let's celebrate being gay together!"
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>>3588216
>no one was a spy discovering a conspiracy
Ian Fleming and John le Carré were, but you're otherwise right. Caring about the personal lives and identities of artists is dumb.
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>>3588171
Bisexual people exist also.
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>>3588216
It's ironic isn't it, to compare homosexuality to something exotic like scifi and secret spy films, even though it's something real people have to experience. I'm not saying it's wrong to exoticize lesbianism, but if you like it merely because it's exotic to you instead of something real, then yes it's a tad annoying to people like me.

>>3588222
I'm not caring about their personal lives, but just the way they perceive things.

>>3588226
If that's the case, then it would probably mean she treats her feelings for girls as merely something exotic, and her heterosexuality as the only one that's real. Because Kitta only likes yuri.
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>>3588162
Yep. Watch back her twitter and so on.
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>>3588280
>just the way they perceive things.
But all you need for that is the work itself. If its perspective on female same-sex relationships is one that feels right to you, it doesn't matter what the artist's real life identity is.
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Tomoko was always a bislut
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>>3588280
>If that's the case, then it would probably mean she treats her feelings for girls as merely something exotic, and her heterosexuality as the only one that's real. Because Kitta only likes yuri.
I’m sorry, what? How on earth does that follow?
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Reading Liberty it's very clear Kitta is a cuck and cucks don't have genders.
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>>3588280
If you want to define exotic as something as vague as that, then it is exotic to non-lesbian people. SO WHAT? You should be HAPPY that non-lesbians can provide content for you to enjoy.
How about non-"exotic" examples then. Like, hair color. There are countless blond and neon-colored people in anime, and yet 99% of all manga authors have black hair. Does this make it invalid? Do you now can't enjoy blond characters anymore in anime because you know this now? Or how about parents, if you're not a parent yourself, you're not allowed to have parents in fictional stories anymore?
If one were to use your logic to its logical next step, you wouldn't be able to read any story ever.
But you do not care about these things, because they don't align with your dumb identity politics.
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>>3588430
Only the SJW who assume you cannot identify with fictional characters because you don't share the same, nationality/skin color/sexuality/etc than them think like that.
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>>3588434
>bla bla bla saying stuff that no one said
The only thing that was said is that a non lesbian author writes from a straight perspective, which is simply true. Whether you enjoy the stuff that comes out is something else.
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>>3588443
it was also said that that person doesn't like that non-lesbians write lesbian stories
>It's a kind of annoying to see a straight girl writing yuri
and we say that this is a bullshit reason to not like a story.
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>>3588443
Only few authors actually wrote with this "homossexual" perpective anon, people forget that most of the yuri demographics not only is not homossexual, but half of it isn't even female, only very few stories actually are about the characters identifying as homossexual, we even have a lot of stories where the characters or the author refuses to ackwnoledge them as homossexuals even if they are in fac in a homossexual relantionship.

It's very obvious the angle of sexual identity isn't really relatable to the most of the readers/audience, so the focus is mostly always on the relationship side, two people in love, this is relatable to anyone, even if the author is homossexual it's very likely she will still be bond to write stories that the audience wants to read, publication values are always above the values of the author.
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I find funny that people complain about straight girl writing yuri when objectively the best yuri stories are written by non gay males.
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>>3588477
I'd think this was bait if I didn't know this was the /a/ thread
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>>3588480
No, I agree with him, most males that get into yuri have actual writing experience from other works, so not only their work has better fundamentals, they are showing to be more capable of hitting the mainstream.
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>>3588477
>>3588485
You two are giving them too much credit most males can barely register females as human much less write them as well with fleshed out personalities menwritingwomen is real but since we're reading yuri and not shounen and the females are the leads it's not as extreme as most other media, mostly moe, and not as tasteful nsfw, with less substance, just something I've noticed. Female yuri mangaka art is more unique than the majority of male kyaa moe yuri
Not saying all men are bad at making yuri, virgin's empire is one of my favorites, and to each their own moe content is wholesome fun if that's what you're looking for, but to me personally the worst yuri made by a woman is usually better than the worst yuri made by a man
And honestly despite that paragraph of whining I end up reading all yuri regardless because I get bored and read any new updates on dynasty lmao
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>>3588485
>hitting the mainstream means good
I'll give you they are better at aiming their works at the manchildren and teen boys target audience, which is what hitting the mainstream means
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>>3588513
even with virgin's empire at the start is screams menwritingwomen, he does really improve over time though
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>>3588518
100% agree, once he had time to fall in love with his characters it really picked up
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>>3588518
That was probably more about the target audience than Kishi's writing skills. VE started in 2010, seven years after the psychological storytelling of Maka-Maka.
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>>3588119
How long till Japan finally legalizes gay marriage under law there Japan. I wonder if Kitta found loopholes that would make her marriage legal.
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>>3588525
Japan does recognize same-sex marriages between its citizens and foreigners.
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>>3588477
Tomoko's gayness is so well written and true-to-life (the denial, the heteronormativity, the self-justifications...) that I've always suspected at least one of the creative team is gay or bi. Like I'd be really surprised if a straight person could capture all of that so well, and ESPECIALLY a Japanese person who are generally pretty clueless about LGBT stuff.
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>>3588526
But not the government but how long will they finally acknowledge it? The cities acknowledges it but not the government, I just want to know if Kitta outsmarted them.
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>>3588620
What I said applies to the Japanese government. If Kitta is legally married to a foreign woman, she's married in Japan as well.
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>>3588423
The long black haired looks like her, and she exploited the poor sensitive blonde tomboy. You know, the "cuck". If Kitta really married a man, it's a bit disturbing because we could assume that she views lesbians like the way she wrote this manga.
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>>3588624
Since when is Izumi Kitta writer?
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>>3588629
Since she wrote Liberty?
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>>3588612
Tomoko's gayness, anxiety, and low self worth are realistic, but her contempt for other women and objectification aren't quite so. Sure there are women who hate other women, and there are perverted women who sexualize other women, but the way tomoko does it is just downright vitriolic, objectifying, and probably sociopathic. Like, she sees Yuu as nothing but a rape toy and genuinely feels nothing wrong about it. She calls other women bitches not because she hates them, but like because she utterly looks down on them, something common among sexist men. She's a character written by people, and I suspect that most of the better side of her was written by Niko.
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>>3588623
Well thanks for the clarification. I really want to see how two cute seiyuu will announce their marriages to each other soon?
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>>3588517
>woman don't like anime and manga...
I find funny how you guys are the ones who treate woman the worse
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>>3588676
Not all anime and manga are aimed at the immature male audience. There's also the immature female audience too called fujos.
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A user on r-ddit suggested that Izumi's marriage follows the same pattern as Hitomi Nabatame, who also got married on her birthday. She married a guy, despite having an outwardly homoerotic public persona. She called the seiyuus she was working with "wives", voiced a CD about getting married with another seiyuu, and such. She voiced a character in PreCure after all, a franchise popular with both yuri fans and basement dwellers.

But who knows, Kitta isn't really like that, she didn't do those kinds of distasteful publicity stunts and had only hinted that she's into yuri mangas and LGBT stuff long after her popularity and career as a seiyuu had died off. Maybe she got married on her birthday to take a jab at Nabatame, I like to think of it that way.
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>>3588683
>Some beloved popular works
>NOOOO Women can't like them unless they are perverts
Ok anon, eventually you will realize women are human beings too and not some perfect doll.

>>3588690
She just fell in love with a man and that it, Nabatame probably enjoyed doing those works, probably is supportive of gay people and may actual have been interested in girls too, though Seyuu work is mostly about keeping apparances and selling people an illusion, the only difference is that Kitta actually is trying to reach outside of her seyuu persona with her other works and honestly, and to be clear nothing wrong if she also marries a man.
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>>3588699
>Some beloved popular works
The post I replied to didn't specify "popular works". I'm not in tune with the latest popular animes. I guess Kakegurui has some female audience?? I'm sure there are far fewer women than men in the dragon balls fanbase or whatever. They simply didn't grow up watching the same thing, and male protagonists
>NOOOO Women can't like them unless they are perverts
Most men who like immature anime are perverts though, afaik.
>eventually you will realize women are human beings too and not some perfect doll
Did I ever say that they are? But most boys and girls grow up in a different environment, it's simply that.

>Nabatame probably enjoyed doing those works, probably is supportive of gay people and may actual have been interested in girls too
Using homosexuality as a commodity or a source of entertainment instead of a representation isn't nice. You know why celebs like TaTu and Hard Gay are controversial among lesbian and gay communities, right? It doesn't matter if they're supportive of LGBT people, it doesn't make thieir exoticized and stereotypical imitation of those groups as a commodity any less wrong. Just because Justin Trudeau accepts people of Indian descent in his cabinet now doesn't make the blackface cosplay he did in a party in 2001 any less offensive. Of course that's a much more extreme example, but you get the point.
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>>3588475
>people forget that most of the yuri demographics not only is not homossexual, but half of it isn't even female,
That's right. I'm convinced that there is a huge "it's a trans-sex version of Boys' Love, and straight men can enjoy it too" aspect to yuri.
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It's an unimportant discussion, isn't it?
'A true lesbian story' may be difficult for straight women and men to write down, but yuri is not. It's just that.
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>>3588525
Because of the strong influence of Confucianism on Japanese civil law, there has never been a legal system, other than heterosexual marriage, in which two people of the opposite sex or the same sex, who are not related by blood, can directly share support, live together, and share property by their own will. Adoption has always existed, but it requires the intervention and approval of the parents. Even assuming that the legal system can be revised, it will take many years to develop the law.
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>>3588612
> I've always suspected at least one of the creative team is gay or bi.
Nonsense. At the time when Watamote started to become yuri-like, there were already a hundred tons of boys' love literature (yaoi), as well as yuri literature, which was thriving in popularity. So it is not necessary for NT to be gay or bi. It's enough if they love gay or bi. In fact, NT said that he made a doujinshi of Maria Watches Over Us and sealed it because it didn't sell at all. By the way, are there any Watamote fans here who know more about this Mari-Mite doujinshi (than what's written in magazines and web articles)?
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>>3588623
Nope. In Japan, there is only a partnership system, but it is like a sworn certificate issued by the local government, so it is only valid in Japan. In many social and legal aspects, same-sex couples are still treated as strangers who simply live together.
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>>3588480
what character is this from?
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>>3588835
Kitta's marriage was accepted anyway like other anons said Kitta saw a loophole with Japan marriage system and took the chance outside to marry than legalize in Japan when she came back. Don't be surprise other seiyuu do this as well down the road.
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>>3588650
>I really want to see how two cute seiyuu will announce their marriages to each other soon?
I can tell you very soon.....
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There's something really interesting about Niko (the artist) I found in an interview I found here.
https://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/nl/articles/1206/27/news019_3.html

This is what she said:
>――影響を受けた作品や好きな作品を教えてください。
>世界観が好きなのは「スヌーピー」のアニメです。大人の顔を出さず、大人の声をなんの言葉にもしていないんです。「ちょく!」や「私モテ」もそうですけど、自分たち以外の言葉や世界のものが目に入らないような感じが好きです。「すんドめ」も同じ理由で好きです。
My japanese is awful, but from what I got is, she's a fan of Snoopy comics. I think she likes it because the characters say few words but give visual hints instead. Sounds familar like pic related huh? It might as well be her idea.

Also, another interesting fact. She said she was inspired by this weird and gross ecchi manga called "Sundome". I just skimmed through this manga, I didn't bother reading much of it, but it seemed to me the protagonist is like a cross between Kii-chan and Asuka, she has Kii chan's looks and vague creepiness, and Asuka's sex appeal and flirty manners. Her relationship with the protagonist resembles Tomoko's thirsty perverted obsession with Asuka and Asuka's quasi teasing. There's also a chapter that resembles that chapter where Kii-chan lost her hairpin and Tomoko looked for it like a dog. Anyway, there's no way a girl who's not at least bi and really perverted could even like this manga. I guess many here have been underestimating Niko's influence in the writing and yuri/ecchi direction of Watamote.
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>>3588829
In the end, most people just want to see two girls in love, whether those stories are relatable to actual LGBT is not really the focus.
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>>3588642
Surely "this girl has internalized the misogyny of the ugliest corners of otaku culture" is part of the joke and not some failed attempt at writing a typical fem

>I suspect that most of the better side of her was written by Niko
Oh, you're one of those.
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>>3588927
Yeah, the whole point of Tomoko is that she is your stereotypical 2ch poster, if you try a "realistic" approach with her character then she is just a boring girl and there is absolute no plausible reason as to why people want to be near her, because this setting only works in fiction.
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>>3588927
I'm not sure if it's merely internalized misogyny. She genuinely didn't feel anything but sexual arousal when Yuu cried.

>>3588940
>a girl can't be interesting unless she's nasty, almost sociopathic, and vitriolic
Jesus christ buddy.
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>>3588944
>a girl can't be interesting unless she's nasty, almost sociopathic, and vitriolic
>Jesus christ buddy.

Anon, you have to decide yourself, you want Tomoko to lose her exaggerated traits and become a normal lonely girl or you want her to become a complete different character? The setting you want will not work under a realistic approach to her character, this quasi harem context only exists because her weirdness is the relatable factor to the reader.
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>>3588953
Not being a toxic sociopath doesn't make someone uninteresting. Personally I have female friends who are lonely and very interesting, I could talk with them forever unlike when I'm with normal people. Most lonely folks are hardly normal to begin with, they're lonely because they're not on the same wavelength as the average person. And it's not very realistic for a mysoginistic character like Tomoko to attract so many girls.
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>>3588835
And that will change soon enough.
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>>3588964
If you haven't picked up that Tomoko's misogyny in early chapters is just her covering up her own repressed attraction to "sluts", then I don't know what to tell you
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>>3588969
I highly doubt this is what the author was going for, just a good happenstance
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>>3588964
I've found most severely lonely people are very often toxic, vitriolic and bitter. Anyway the whole original concept of Tomoko is that she's just a genderbend typical 2ch poster
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>>3588964
The whole point of my argument is that Tomoko character is not realistic and that why it works on a non realistic setting, it's something to make her relatable to the readers, the selling point of this setting is that she is a strange girl and that is what makes people get near her.

You can make a plot about a lonely normal girl getting close to other girls, be it friendship or romantic setting, but the more grounded you make the characters, the more you will have to work on their actual interactions to make it relatable to the reader, you can't pull a setting like Watamote where Tomoko suddenly has hundreds of friends with barely any effort or any actual meaningful conversation or interaction.
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>>3588972
i wouldn't call it "misogyny" but it was clear as daylight that whenever Tomoko insulted a hot girl, she was just jealous.
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>>3588977
Sure, but not sexually attracted, that wasn't included till way later. Like any 2ch loser her hatred for normies comes from jealousy
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>>3588978
And even so, it wasn't as much as sexually attraction but rather a perverted desire to slut her friend, though as of now she really is portrayed as sexually attracted.
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>>3588978
Tomoko was clearly attracted to Yuu all the way back in chapter 3.
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where are the fang ryona pics asking for a friend
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>>3588974
I've got a girl friend who's really depressed and lonely, like so lonely someone once contacted the police to find her because she had gone for a few days and none of her family and neighbors knew where she went. Unlike Tomoko, she's absolutely the nicest and most profound person that I know of.
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>>3589061
I think we may be mixing things a little, Tomoko was a lonely person, but she wasn't really depressed, Tomoko is aware of (most of) her own faults but she does not really hate herself, even if she bad mouths herself, 2ch, message board, games, porn, etc... were all outlets that Tomoko had, usually depressed people can't really find enjoyment in anything.
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>>3588976
>you can't pull a setting like Watamote where Tomoko suddenly has hundreds of friends with barely any effort or any actual meaningful conversation or interaction.
Isn't that 'Komi-san can't communicate''s premise?
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>>3589098
It's not like you can't make a work with this premise, most harems romcoms are pretty much girls falling in love with the boy because he said nice things or something, but my counter point is if you really want you series to boil down to just that?

At least Komi is trying.
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>>3589156
Surely Mako thought of Yoshida as the bunny?
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>>3589160
Mako breeds like rabbits.
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>>3588836
from bloom into you. have you been living under a rock sis?
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New chapter in exactly 8 hours.
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New chapter in slightly under an hour.
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>>3589612
There are already spoilers.
Everything after the trip was Tomoko imagination. series will end next chapter.
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>>3589612
>>3589466
Your enthusiasm is cute
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It's okay to be excited. Chapter 200 must be good.
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App update in about 20 minutes.
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Chapter 200 will be just a recap chapter.
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>>3589624
>16 minutes ago
aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Chapter came out like 13 minutes ago but usual dump anon on /a/ is absent.
It is a sad day.
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>>3589647
what are they doin? sleeping off their colds?
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>>>/a/231227021
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>>3589674
What the fuck did they do to tomoko
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>>3589674
TL: https://pastebin.com/77BrFiHM
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>>3589726
Brought her one step closer to being Mistress Asuka's doll.
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>>3589727
The word "Landmine" is a cryptic term that refers to people or things that are painful to touch or approach.
However dunno of an appropriate equivalent word in English.
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>>3589734
Yeah, it does seem like a Japanese-specific term. It does kinda make sense in the "stepped on a landmine" context. Open to suggestions, though.
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Yandere and 'landmine make-up' are just "like that" representations, and real "landmine girls" often have a normal, plain appearance. This has nothing to do with manga at all, though.
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>>3589739
yep. I've seen the TN on the 2nd page now.
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so was the super special ch 200 a bust?
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>>3589746
According to /a/, the next release on Dec 23 will be another Xmas special.
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>>3589748
It's going to be about Tomoko going to a love hotel with an unseen girl after the Christmas party.
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>Landmine Yuri-chan x Landmine Mokocchi
>This is a fist of love, Tomoko.
>Oh geez~ I'm gonna slit my wrists~<3
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>>3589769
>Isn't "I prefer the normal Tomoko" pretty much a confession?
>Not really.
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>>3589731
>In my mind places keep returning, I still see her smile
>And in the dark fear that I am fearing dies once in a while
>As the moon leads me through the madness, there standing alone
>I feel her breath coming from the shadows, streets almost alive
>I heard a sound, familiar voice
>Making a choice that is never allowed
>Why do you have no choice? I need to know
>You'll never know
>All these roads lead me back to my home
>Is she gone? Are you here? Are you real?
>Can I trust who you say that you are?
>And who I am now and who am I now?
>Too late for me knowing
>Or just in time
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>>3589727
p3
>That's pretty much the same as yanderes.
That's pretty much the same as me.
(*I think the context would be that Tomoko is not exactly the same as a yandere, but has some things in common.)

>emotionally understable
emotionally unstable
(?)

>I'm in class right now (^_^;)
Are you in class right now? (^_^;)


p6
>Surface Level
Unexpected side
OR
The side
OR
One aspect
(*This subtitle seems to be about an unexpected aspect and so on of Tomoki.)

p7
>these roles, or should we just go with these two?
these roles, or like to recommend someone else?

p10
>>Starts In 1 7 Days
Starts In 2 7 Days
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>>3589786
Updated.
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>>3589731
But if tomoko is too cute she might actually attract m*le attention
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Asuka is so proud of her girlfriend
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>yuri is abusive
>asuka tried to change tomoko
Ucchi is the true path. She loves tomoko for her grossness
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>>3589796
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/a/ is so stupid
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>>3589727
It's not about the TL.
It was explained on page 3 that 'landmine girls' use a lot of crying face emoji, so Tomoko also tried to send such an emoji ('pien') on the last page.
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>>3589727
TS: https://mega.nz/folder/xRtkiLZB#2UoJRQxjkLZ1TqBhhop0UA
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This is actually chapter 199.3.
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>>3589897
p2
>as described as
are described as
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Good on Asuka for finally figuring out how to give Tomoko a look that actually suits her.
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>>3589955
Done.
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>>3589820
>implying Tomoko wouldn't enjoy being forced by Asuka
She would just lie there and take everything Asuka does to her while cumming her brains out.
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>>3589794
Popular Tomoko attracted male attention

doesn't matter when your girlfriend is mega gay
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Girly or girly-minded artist tends to draw nice 'landmine' girls well.
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>>3590292
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>>3589812
Tomoko is still Tomoko, regardless of her combed hair and makeup. Now, why is it bad that boys thinks she's attractive?
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>>3590360
Isn't this old? God bless her soul though.
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>>3589780
Tomoko probably would make ridiculous faces just from having a girl lick her lower chest.
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>>3590041
GOOD
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>>3590360
is a sequel to >>3590375
but it has already been translated as well
>>3587624
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>>3583721
>>3583412
>>3589943
THEY ACTUALLY FUCKING DID IT
This volume is going to be nothing but special chapters and 199.x
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A TL request has come.
https://twitter.com/osumoto1/status/1466044907731124229
https://twitter.com/osumoto1/status/1466104609928138752
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>>3590411
She never left the running
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>>3590411
Yuri just confirmed she hits Tomoko out of love. This is the most Yuri confession ever. I wonder how Asuka will confess, or will she just take Tomoko right then and there as her confession.
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>>3590411
Yuri never left first place
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https://www.melonbooks.co.jp/detail/detail.php?product_id=1141148
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>>3590411
Basically if Yuri doesn't punch you she don't love you
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>>3587384
>Catholics
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>>3590347
What boys?
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>>3590650
I can't wait for the chapter where Yuri hits Nemo.
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>>3588642
Speak for yourself. Tomoko's contempt rings true to my teenage years, at least.
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>>3590766
you're a guy
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>>3590746
She reserves beatings only for Tomoko
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>>3590871
Seriously, I envy Asuka.
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>>3590572
>I wonder how Asuka will confess, or will she just take Tomoko right then and there as her confession
Fits perfectly for Asuka.
>>3590871
You can see her devouring Tomoko with just her eyes.
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>>3590948
I like the pic because it feels in-character. Asuka's horny for the mojyo, but not like Ted Bundy horny.
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>>3590041
anal orgasm for tomoko
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Cute Asuka
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>>3585172
shit someone leaked the ending
>>3590641
again
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>>3583400
Has anything wild happened yet? I like this manga but I quit reading for a while because it felt like they where constantly teasing the idea of a romance going down but never committed.
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>>3591814
It's not even tagged girl's love, don't be hoping for more than a vague friendship ending
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>>3591814
Well, >>3588857 happened.
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>>3588857
>I guess many here have been underestimating Niko's influence in the writing and yuri/ecchi direction of Watamote.
I've been hypothesising about it for at least a year but /a/fags always get angry when you dare say anything reflecting badly on their lord and saviour Ikko not being the yuri pusher of the duo
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>>3591834
The reason people find you obnoxious is because you have no evidence for any of it. It's just your misandrist fantasies combined with lies, like the stuff about the interview in >>3584773 .





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