Miorine hurt this smile, and we still have another week to go. Plenty of time to wallow in that delicious Yuri angst.Previous thread >>3943801
>>3947654>already been a weekActually went kinda fast for me desu
Cute Chris to cheer everyone up.
>>3947670Can't.I bought way too many Gund-Arm Inc. stocks, I'll be here till the day.
why do lesbians have to suffer?
Suletta will rape the corner of a table while looking at a photo of Miorine next episode.
>>3947688
>>3947692>my le bomb... le killed people?
>>3947688Nice
>>3947673For real. Gund stocks are a-booming.Now all's left is to pray for a GOOD & SATISFYING ending.Come on Okouchi
>>3947670This bait is so pathetic, take a (You) out of pity.>>3947660Technically still a day short of a week. Felt rather slow personally, but I'm hoping week 2 will go quicker. Obsessive theory-crafting's sorta died down, people are focusing on other stuff in the meanwhile; watched pot never boils y'know?
I just realized the paralelism between Suletta & Mio and Ymir & Historia from SnK.Damn. Everyone on /u/ knows how their story ended. I still believe SuleMio have a chance, though.
>>3947732There is no parallelism outside of both couples going through some (different) shit.
>>3947716I was going to save it for later in the summer, but I think I'll build my Aerial gunpla this week. Doing it with love and care should increase the chances of something good happening next episode.
>>3947734> "Let's get married once this is over"> They actually fall in love with each other > "All you want is to protect Historia, right?" "Yes, I want a better world for her"> Ymir goes away with a guy with the intention of protecting the girl they're both in love with> "But she left me alone..." (Historia didn't know the reasons behind Ymir's actions)> "Sorry I can't marry you yet" > Historia was a queen, Miorine a princess (because their fathers were "kings" in both stories)> Both Suletta and Ymir have special powers (Prospera made some kind of experiment or human modification on Suletta according to the novel, while Ymir was a titan) which puts them constantly in dangerYou sure, anon?
>>3947742You're conflating the two characters though. If they were parallel, Suletta would be the one leaving to protect Miomio. Also, dragging "left to protect the person she loves" across four different versions of the same point isn't helping your case.
>>3947746I'd be boring and a poor decision to make a 1:1 and the staff would get lots of criticism for making the same couple again, even if they don't end up the same way.Even if the characters' actions are mixed in comparison, they still have several points in common.Let's just hope for a better resolution. I read SnK recently and I hated how Isayama managed their relationship.
>>3947742>Prospera made some kind of experiment or human modification on Suletta according to the novelShe gave her a vaccination because she's a kid and for all her faults, Prospera isn't an anti-vaxxer.
>>3947759At this point I don't believe that the "injections" were vaccines for the measles on a remote planet like Mercury and for a girl who is an artificial creation of some kind.
I enjoy these two, but I still want Nika and ChuChu to kiss and hold hands in front of the sunset.
>>3947686I honestly can't get over how womanly a d gorgeous Suletta looked in that dress in the ED.I mean, she's usually drawn in fanart with some man-like body at times, and then in the official work she's drawn so beautiful that makes even Miorine look okayish.
>>3947780Sulleta has been consistently the most feminine out of the two and that's with Miorine being quite feminine herself. People are just stupid and decided that "pilot/physically fit = butch" for some retarded reason.
>>3947772ChuChu only knows rough sex with a bit of choking
>>3947766I remember from reading that part that Suletta was scared of taking her shots, until Elnora used the "run forward gain one, move forward gain two" spiel again. Whether she really just wanted Suletta to take her shots or if those shots mean something is unknown.
>>3947772But Nika is Sabina-sama's woman now.>>3947766Prospera always intended to send Suletta out to the world as part of her plan.
Peil hags yuri!
>>3947798shut up Sabina
So, new OP & ED or just the same with Sulleta's green uniform?
>>3947766But its hard to say what those injections were for, because if Elnora carried both Ericht and Suletta, the permet she has in her body to enable her to communicate with her arm, would have been absorbed by the girls in utero. Though Ericht may have been the first documented case of it happening- or undocumented case since the lab was destroyed right afterward and nothing was reported.If you were a person getting a GUND prosthetic you would somehow have to get permet inside your body because the "quantum teleporting" requires two pieces of permet that had a matched energy state as the initial condition, and the "signal" is made by changing the energy state of one sample, which causes the exact same change in the other half no matter how far or what is between them. It would make more sense if it were in some small container or even on a microchip, in contact with nerves, rather than floating free in the blood.
Attack of the Stamina Monster
>>3947812If they turn green in the OP I think that'd be a bad sign.
>>3947819Erm...why? Isn't the point of this arc for Suletta to pick herself up and go forward towards Miorine not because she's the Holder, but because she genuinely loves her?
>>3947781>People are just stupid and decided that "pilot/physically fit = butch" for some retarded reason.This dissonance has confused me from the start. So much celebrating the first ever official yuri pairing in Gundam and yet seemingly half the artists insists on drawing Suletta as some sort of a roided bulldyke, if not giving her a dick outright. It's as if there's some retarded belief that even in a yuri pairing one of the girls has to be a stand-in for a guy.
>>3947822She only became the Holder because she wanted to help Miorine and later because she fell in love with her. It wasn't an imposition on her.
>>3947832I was replying to anon who says Suletta's uniform turning green is a bad sign. Even if Suletta's relationship with Miorine started because she became Holder, her feelings for her go beyond that. Meaning her no longer being Holder will not stop her from moving towards Miorine.
dunno what it says but it looks cute
>>3947835I know what it says and you're right, it's pretty cute
Someone wants Suletta and Miorine to have TWO children.
>>3947836Farting isn't cute
>>3947835>Ice cream at night>Miorine-san I want buy ice cream. Would you like to go?>Eh? Right now?>It's already late, you'll get fat.>Why not tomorrow?>But it's on my list...>To go to the convenience store at night to buy ice cream with Miorine san...>The full moon!>It's pretty, isn't it.>Sleeping breath and Farting>Listening to someone's sleeping breath>It's not bad...>*fart*>*choking*
>>3947844thanks>>3947836you on the other hand are pretty useless
>>3947844Suletta why
>>3947839Something about the bushy tanuki eyebrows in white is kinda throwing me
>>3947823Yeah. Western artists making them ugly is bothersome, but making Sulleta basically a guy is way more annoying to me. Then you have all the "gund dick" bullshit attached to their "kid" too. Fucking disgusting.
>>3947823I think some of that is just girls projecting how they want Suletta to be.Which is annoying and paints a wrong picture of her in the fandom.
>>3947840Wrong.
>>3947845Actually, I was not sure what it said. I'd have translated it for you if I knew. Just wanted to tease you.
>>3947654I want all the art of sulemios kids
>>3947855
>>3947839>Who's that witch soaring gracefully through space in a gundam, turning the tides of battle with here mere presence?>Sou, watashi desu
>>3947772>Sorry Chuchu... I have someone else now...
>>3947859In a two womb household you can get pretty crowded pretty fast, and there is no money issues here just time. Four children would be easy for them.
How far along in your Gundam journey are you now if G-Witch was your first? It's been well over half a year.
Sabina and Norea>victims of brutal political and economical system that has reduced the population of an entire planet to misery and oppression>care so deeply about their fellow Earthians they're willing to risk their own lives to save them>Sabina could easily live a comfortable life as a Grassley executive, Norea has sacrificed decades of her own life>Small scale operations with a body count in the dozens, targets are directly tied to creating and testing the weapons of war used to destroy EarthSo evil!The ends don't justify the means, buddyGuel>Witnesses first hand the kind of misery his and his social class's comfortable lives have been built on>Literally watches a child die>Catches the next shuttle to space, makes his life's goal to ensure his dad's war crime machine company prospersSuch an incredible character arc!What a hero!I'd give anything for a Tanuki radicalization arc.
>>3947870Sums up my issue with radical Guel fans. Like I like the guy and do agree this has his character arc, but hearing his rabid fans act like he has the best development/only one with development, and/or he's the "true MC" is ludicrous.If anything, it's Miorine who has the most development AND the involvement in the story.
>>3947868I watched from 0079 to ZZ (Including OVAs) while recovering from surgery before G-Witch came out.Plenty of pretty ladies to gawk at desu.
>>3947868I'd watched 0079 before but dropped Zeta and Gundam after a couple of episodes because I found it bizarre. Thanks to G Witch I watched the 0079 compilation films as a recap and then dove into Zeta, which I still found bizarre but really compelling. I've now watched all of UC except for Victory, G Saviour (I assume this doesn't count?), Igloo, Narrative, Axis Shock and Cucuruz Doan's Island. Outside of UC, I watched IBO. I've also built three gunpla, a Zaku I, an RX-78-2 and a Qubeley, all HG. Next will be Aerial. It's been a ride.
>>3947868I watched 0079, currently stuck on Zeta. Should probably force myself to get back into it.
>>3947875>hearing his rabid fans act like he has the best development/only one with development, and/or he's the "true MC" is ludicrous.You're confusing guelfags with bitter UC purists who were determined to find each and every reason to shit on this show since it was announced. Be it Guel, sales or yuri, it only matters to them if it can be used as shitposting fuel.
>>3947870Well to to be fair to Guel, we have no idea where he plans to take Jeturk once he salvages the thing. And he does acknowledge that there is suffering in the world no matter where you go.But yeah, some Guelfags can be mighty obnoxious.
>>3947870Yeah I like Guel but the character progression from 'this poor earthian orphan died in my arms and I was powerless to do anything' into 'so anyway I'm taking over my father's weapon company' is downright bizarre.
>>3947897What is he supposed to do though, join the terrorists? He would have infinitely more resources and opportunities to change things as the head of the company than another "freedom fighter".
>>3947900>What is he supposed to do though, join the terrorists?I mean that would've been cool. They were even kind of setting up Olcott as a mentor figure for a little bit.
>>3947902I kinda like the swerve there: Guel without a father figure, Olcott having lost his son, then having him toughen up and go "I'm not your dad" then Guel going off to at least recover his family from the pits they're in
>>3947902What does that accomplish? Without the company, he's just a kid that's sort of good at mock battles. Even if he wanted to join DoF, going back and reclaiming his company and then using it to supply them with mechs is still a better way to do terrorism than just staying on Earth.
>>3947906I wouldn't mind a future Ad Stella work where we got to see an older Guel try to minimize Earth's suffering and coming to grips with the entire system.
>>3947900>He would have infinitely more resources and opportunities to change things as the head of the company than another "freedom fighter".You know, I'd go as far as to say that there is no explicit indication that Guel actually aims to structurally change anything at this point. I'd concede that if anything, he'd be aligned with Miorine on medical GUND research rather than its military application, unlike Lauda probably (wonder how Schwarzette factors in that one though), but his stated goal is the restoration of the Jeturk company and that's that. He doesn't go back to space to work to help the Earthians, he goes back to save his inheritance and is primarily motivated by the guilt of what he has done to his father. The Earthian struggle doesn't factor in other than as a humbling experience and a reality check. In fact, I have an implicit read on him as a pure pragmatist right now (that dialogue exchange with Miorine about world without Gundams not being possible - you can easily extend that as a rebuke of a systemic emancipation as well).I don't know, maybe I'm biased not to see Guel in as charitable light as majority of the fanbase does, but I can't really see him as anything else than a next generation capitalist honcho, just with less arms dealing involved, hopefully, fingers crossed? But no reasons to change or abolish the conditions that lead to the Earthian oppression overall. The Jeturk sweatshops will continue running, CEO Guel Jeturk is here to ensure growth in FY AS 123.
>>3947917That is a perfectly viable reading, but it would also go against the theme of children not being trapped by the sins of their parents that is a core theme of G-Witch and Gundam in general. Guel going back to business as normal would be like Mio becoming president of Benerit and becoming Delling 2.0 with nothing to save her from that fate.
>>3947917That's my uncharitable read too. I think he realized the system is utterly fucked and decided to just become a cog in it for his dad and the people he loves. He knows exactly how bad he is and won't derive an ounce of joy from any of it, but he's not going to tear it down either. Maybe he's more likely to follow Miorine's reforms, but that's it. Also note that Miorine didn't tell him about Quiet Zero.>>3947919When you have an overarching theme like that, you'll want your characters to approach it from different angles and even have some of them fail.
>>3947917He's been on the screen for like 3 minutes since he got back, we don't even know his plans for the future yet.
>>3947917I'll bring up that in Episode 13 Lauda was grilled for Dawn of Fold using Jeturk suits in their operation. Which seems to presage that after the Benerit group collapses, Jeturk could well become a supplier of Mobile Suits to Earth forces.
>>3947732>Isayama>Fully acknowledges historia x ymir>Kills off ymir in the worst way possible>Has historia be a breeder for a guy who hated herDon't compare sulemio to that absolute garbage
>>3947732If anything, Miorine is Eren.>Suletta, ever since we were kids, I've always hated you.
>>3947931>Has historia be a breeder for a guy who hated herDidn't know it got this bad. Glad I stopped caring when I heard Ymir got killed off basically off-screen.
>>3947953AoT went places, and they all fucking sucked
>>3947688>No good post episode 17 yandere Sulemio rape ficsShame really.
>>3947919>Mio becoming president of Benerit and becoming Delling 2.0That's exactly where she's headed, so it only makes sense for her to form the "decent people murdering their souls out of duty" faction with Guel.It's not going to happen, but it would be fun if Suletta saw through Miorine's act pretty soon after calming down and then had to decide if she even wants to be with someone who doesn't trust her.
>>3947868Finished Zeta after stalling on it years ago. I also built three HG's and a really dumb MG, but none of them were Gwitch related.
Maybe Peil will support Miorine too, which leaves Grassley completely alone with Dof. Imagine if Grassley is all that earth house including Suletta have. It will be bad for Suremio but good for Sabinika and Renne and whatever she has with Lilique lol
>>3947964Didn't the hags promise to support Shaddiq last episode?
>>3947968They did, in exchange for getting GUND-ARM and Aerial.
>>3947964Peil is going to go with Grassley because Shaddiq has the hags' number. Even if he doesn't know what exactly they want out of GUND tech he knows they want it beyond simple corporate interests.
>>3947917Pretty sure we're gonna get a quick mention of yay gundarm is making medical stuff! at the end without actually getting into the underlying causes behind the tension and conflict. They just don't have enough time.
>>3947970But it is now Miorine and Jeturk who have Gund-arm and Aerial. Shaddid has power to pressure with El5n but would that be enough? I don't think the hags trust him. And how is the earth house going to be part of this? they undoubtedly have more personal connection to Grassley at the moment. I think some will support Miorine and some will not. Maybe Nuno and Ojelo want to be in business with Jetruk. Now that I think about it, the Earthians were the ones who created Gundam with that company that Delling annihilated and if Nika investigates more about this and agrees to definitely change sides?
>>3947976Actually I think Earth House is going to go a different way entirely. They're Miorine's people too and I think the extremely public way in which she cut Suletta off was also to protect them from the incoming clusterfuck. Maybe Feng Jun will show up to pick them up in Miomio's personal spaceship and get them away from Asticassia.
>>3947968Peil's support hinged on the promise of Shaddiq allowing Gund research and giving them Gund-Arm and the Aerial. Miorine's bid and her engagement with Guel gives Peil a more direct access to that by supporting her. The hags aren't stupid, so I doubt they would ignore that fact. The only issue here is what Miorine intends to do about Gund which neither Peil or Shaddiq know.
>>3947975I'll be very disappointed in Miorine if she doesn't fire all of Earth House, ensuring they'll be on Suletta's side.Just looking at the numbers, Team Shaddiq has practically all the good units and pilots, since Guel's not going to be any good in an actual fight. This would make an Earth House/Grassley alliance unlikely, unless Felsi's going to solo Suletta, Chuchu, Norea, Sabina, Shaddiq and El5n in the Schwarzette. Besides, Suletta's not going to fight against Miorine.
>>3947986And yes, Team Miomio technically has access to the ghost of a little girl who's very good at hacking, but I'm just going to assume the next eight episode won't be devoid of mobile suit battles because of it.
>>3947982Everything Miorine did was without consulting them first. What you say about the spaceship sounds horrible because it seems that Miorine wants to choose everything for them and without Nika!
>>3947992Honestly, I doubt Miorine would do anything beyond firing them all. It would fit in the whole "evil spacian" schtick she's going for now.
>>3947991Who has access to Eri is Prospera. Eri is no longer inside Aerial. I can see Chuchu going with Miorine because she is investigating where Nika is and Chuchu can't stop thinking about her but I feel that the fact that she looks more and more like Dellling is not exactly what the Earthians want.
>>3946923This is what they had on the shelf. I ended up getting Aerial and Ur.
>>3948000>getting Ur without ThornInsane person logic.
>>3947998Sure, but Prospera's team Miorine, at least until it's time to feed her to the Quiet Zero tomatoes.>>3948001Shut up, Norea.
>>3948001The chicken feet and brown color scheme puts me off.
>>3948018I've been trying to get it because the Goddess of Yuri herself pilots it.
>>3948000I would love to have Heindre, Beguir Beu and Demi trainer. I would buy two Heindree like in the anime. Ever since I saw their promotional images I loved them, I recently watched ep 14 again and they move so well. I think I'll draw them.
>>3947953The worst part is that it all amounted to nothing. Historia could have been written off the last part of the manga entirely and nothing would change, and this in turn makes everything Ymir did pointless as well. The author had no idea what to do with either of them, for different reasons.Oh, and her husband was retconned post-series to have always been a friend of hers rather than a bully.
>>3948000>36 bucks for DarilbaldeMonsters.
>>3948000I envy you. There's no gunpla from WFM beside the initial ones- Aerial, Lfrith, Chuchu Demi, both Dilanzas and Beguir Beu in my country in any shop. Feels bad to need to ship from japan(and it's still not availble).
>>3948028>and it's still not availbleDepending on what you mean by that, you might be able to order them from HLJ. If there's no direct shipping to your country, there are forwarders, but that would cost you extra. Alternatively, there's Ebay and Aliexpress if you like to gamble.
>>3947868I'm a North American born in the 90s, so, y'know.Wing.
>>3948028That selection sounds familiar, Eastern Europe by any chance?
I NEED THEM SO MUCH
>>3948000Damn where are you? I thought Canada was first-world-ish enough to have Gunpla but it's all sold out here
>>3947925well his plans are 100% "become president of a weapons manufacturer", and he at least stays in the game long enough for his company to make Schwarzette. I doubt he wants to rock the boat of his failing company by switching to something completely different right away.
>>3948036
What's the original of this?
>>3948043Time for you to experience Adachi and Shimamura. And don't chicken out, read the original novels.
>>3948044It's been in my backlog but I've been too scared to read it
>>3948043https://mangadex.org/chapter/2dce80a4-2a68-4f13-803c-dbcac8c51cc0/19It takes up like 5 pages in the novels, it's glorious.
>>3948043Fucked up that we've gone from the innocent tanuki we had in episode 1 the EXTREMELY gay tanuki we have now.
>>3948034I've been refreshing my region's P-bandai website daily ever since it got announced and knowing them, it'll probably be something like 50 bucks individually.
>>3948034
>>3948034Did they run out of pigment while making that Suletta figurine?
>>3947839Any SuleMio kids lacking the tanuki eyebrows just looks wrong to me.
>>3947868Decided to start watching 0079 right now during the break.
>>3947868I started watching Gundam long ago but I got stuck on ZZI really wanna finish it before I get to char's counterattack, but ZZ is just so fucking bad
>>3948034Cute. In the meantime you can preorder this set for 18 x2.
>>3948108It sucks since I wanted more Hamon and Axis but the goofy setting is so bad and Judea is the worst MC
>>3947868G-Witch wasn't my first, but since Witch started I've watched all of Zeta, ZZ, CCA, 00, Wing, Turn-A and now I'm watching Unicorn.
>>3948043We need Madoka to come fix these bad lesbians.
>>3948114>ZZtell me your secret, how do I finish it?
>>3948115Madoka is too busy trying to kill a het rapist.>>3948116I enjoyed the hell out of ZZ myself. Either you enjoy the lighter tone, 80s aesthetic and the way it descends to more traditional Gundam fare as it goes along, or you don't. I can see why others would dislike it, and it's really not for everyone. You can skip to CCA if you want, ZZ really does not have much impact on CCA beyond Haman losing and Char taking over from her.
>>3948108How far along are you? You can watch CCA without finishing ZZ, but I think Char's motivation is much easier to understand after the Earth Arc.
>>3948117My OCD won't let me, plus I like Haman and I wanna see her through. Keep in mind I started if right after Z, so I went from the tragic ending to Yazan falling down a manhole like a Wile E. Coyote>>3948118I'm on episode 22. Puru was introduced and she's cute so maybe she'll make it better
>>3948121Oh you’ve finally reached where it gets good
>>3948121Given the kind of shit Yazan is, seeing him eat shit by being treated like Wile E. Coyote was really cathartic. And Puru is a really interesting character even if she's also one of the first defined 'Loli' characters in Anime.
>>3948124She has boobs so I wouldn’t call her a loli
>>3947833Suletta not being Holder is better for their relationship anyway. They can fall in love again without any suspicions of manipulation or ulterior motives.
>>3948129I like to think that Mio is really worried that Suletta doesn't love her at all, that it's just more instructions from her mother
Anyone have that screencap edit of Miorine where she's got a smug expression and her mouth is really close to her eyes, I somehow never saved it
>>3948129They're not even out of love in the first place though.
>>3948132Suletta thinks they are
>>3948000Huh, way cheaper than I thought. Guess I'm probably conditioned by wargaming stuff to expect like 50-70 dollars for something smaller than that.A shame I usually want to buy merch in pairs since, ya know. Though I'd still probably grab one of those Lfriths from the prologue if I could.
>>3948000Lucky, I had to pay $30 shipping for a rebuild
>>3948115Not if Homu gets there first.
>>3948172Homu and Suletta is such a terrifying combination.
>>3948093It’s honestly the best of both worlds
I was thinking about the story structure of G-Witch, and it's interesting how... Almost fanfic-like it is.It is very easy to imagine an alternate universe where G-Witch was what it seemed at first, a more Otome take on the Gundam formula, with Suletta as the MC, Guel, Elan and Shaddiq as the "capture targets" and Miorine as the rival or villainess, seeing the setting and characters through these lens almost makes G-Witch seem like a Otome Isekai, but in this case it's one of those Yuri Otome Isekai.Another thing I noticed with all the talk of witches is how easy it is to take the basic plot structure of G-Witch and put it in other settings, be it medieval fantasy, modern day or I dunno, western.I noticed this because I was thinking about how George Lucas once said that the story in Star Wars is very simple and almost universal through many cultures.G-Witch's basic plot is simple, woman has everything taken away from her and plots her slow revenge, this basic premise could be applied to many different settings, but then they put in place layers of complexity with various characters, factions and motivations.
>>3948177>how George Lucas once said that the story in Star Wars is very simple and almost universal through many cultures.That's because he followed Joseph Campbell's 'Hero of a Thousand Faces' or the monomyth, which used very dubious methods to claim that there was one general narrative structure, the 'Hero's Journey', that all mythologies and heroic figures could be squeezed into regardless of culture or context.
>>3948182The original Gundam has a pretty basic version of the hero's journey, with Amuro being forced out of his comfortable life, growing into his role as a pilot, being part of a great tragedy but ultimately emerging from the conflict alive and having grown from it.Unfortunately for him his story didn't end there and he was part of Zeta and CCA, neither of which follow the hero's journey format.Also I'm not sure of my first post was interesting or insightful to anyone, I was taking a bath and just couldn't stop thinking about G-Witch lol
>>3948182The Hero's Journey is literally what this series is following too, though.
>>3948184>>3948177It was interesing to me nee-san, if anything else for the mental image of a yurifag watching otome GWitch and writing our world's Sulemio out of pure dedication to yuri
>>3948189>We got the AltUniverse version of Gundam destined for another timeline.I'd believe it. Though I feel the Otome G-Witch would not have been half as much a success of this one, and likely would go down as a relatively mediocre AU entry like Gundam X or AGE, not a contender for the crown like Witch has become.
>>3948177I feel that's what many assumed at first saw the character arts and learned about the school's premise, because come on: Poor female MC from a backwater country/planet, an aloof rich girl, and three pretty boys. Ironically enough, most Miorine haters (especially those who ship Suletta with El4n or Guel) DO see Miorine as that even though she's a rival of the males for Suletta.Instead of that, we got Gundam Utena.
>>3948190Absolutely, Otome G-Witch would just be "preaching to the choir", there's already a bunch of female Gundam fans, but Yuri has been steadily growing over the years and now was the right time to make a Yuri Gundam (two words I thought I would never see together).Speaking of which, there's that Anaheim Girls visual novel that I've been meaning to play for the longest time, has anyone here played it? Was it good?
>>3948191I've always seen people comparing G-Witch to Utena tho, never seen anyone do the Otome Isekai connection (but realistically, someone has probably already done that and I simply haven't seen it)
Now I wish they has at least one episode of Otome G-Witch before going full Yuri
>>3948193I've played it. It's very simple, but quite a nice story. It's taking one of the many interesting ideas that 0083 had and refused to actually engage with because the show falls to pieces the moment South Burning leaves the show, and expands upon it. We have so many stories about Gundams fighting, and few about how Gundams are made and the people who design them. Also it's chock full of references, and the two MCs and their romance is cute. There's even kind of a G-Witch flavour to it, as Sophie is a former Zeon Engineer..
>>3948196Ah, very nice! Exactly what I was hoping for then!I haven't watched many UC OVAs, do you consider any of them to be mandatory before playing it.
>>3948195We technically got that. The first six episodes had many being cautious/worried about being yuribaited with the whole thing regarding El4n and Guel's one-sided crush on Suletta, all while Miorine was being sidelined and seemed to have resigned herself to be Suletta's wingwoman.I can only imagine how /u/ was like during the airing of those epiosdes.
>>39481970083 Stardust Memory. Anaheim Girls is based on it, there's several scenes in episode 6 and 7 showing Anaheim that are pretty much essential to understand the VN. 0083 itself is a mixed bag, with some of the best animation and sound design in Gundam history, and a story that goes off the rails and has an infamous ending that you'll understand when you get there. Also Nina Purpleton is right next to Reocca in terms of 'most infamous female characters in Gundam for all the wrong reasons.' It also has one of the best OPs in Gundam history.https://youtu.be/nJeUg1glX8kIt's worth checking out if you're this deep into Gundam already.
>>3948202Lots of doomposting
>>3948203I watched 0079, all of Zeta, skipped ZZ, watched CCA, Unicorn, Thunderbolt, Hathaway and half of 08th MS Team (i was watching with some friends, one of them bailed halfway through and I haven't finished it yet)I really should stop being such a lazy bastard and just watch the damn OVAs already
>>3948203>ReoccaFuck why'd you remind me
>>3948202>people were like this during the first six episodes>i can only imagine how /u/ was likewhat. Also the people freaking out about omg it's bait were always a tiny minority, I've been in the threads since ep1 and it's always one or two concerned posts with like a dozen replies going nah I'm not worried.
>>3948208People kept trying to troll and shitpost, but we've been lucky enough that they don't last long in this thread. There was more concern in the General thread, but then that tends to attract the bulk of the shitposting on this board anyways.
Japanese Twitter is merciless
>>39482050080 and 0083 are really good. 0080 is in my top 5 in the series for every individual aspect you could think of from animation to music to design. You could watch 0080 on its own even without context. 0083 is an even greater technical marvel but as other anons have said has some questionable choices near the end. Don't let that put you off though, after watching it a second time I think the only significant mistake it makes is not delivering hard enough on one of the themes. Pay close enough attention to Nina and she'll only end up pissing you off a minor amount. Having the context of 0079 and Zeta is enough to appreciate it. Halfway through 08th MS Team is the perfect place to stop because that's when the original showrunner died and it became very silly afterwards.
>>3948213I'm traveling right now but I'll get started on these when I come back, thanks for the heads up.The episode I stopped watching 08th MS Team was the one were the MC and Zeon lady got stranded on a mountain
Today I got my Aerial kit by chance, I was at the local street market when I saw a guy selling some gunpla kits. Is my first time building a gundam, so I hope is not as complex as it looks.
>>3948218Clip the pieces out and push them together. It's that simple.
>>3948218Its pretty easy, just follow the manual closely and you'll be fine.If you don't know what tools you need or want a process to follow, there's a lot of "how to build gunpla" videos on YouTube that will walk you through the "identify, remove, clean, assemble" process.
>>3948213>tfw never watched 0080 and never will because I can't stand bad ends in my escapist entertainmentMy one fear with G-Witch too but surely Okouchi wouldn't be dumb enough to do it after how well-received IBO's ending was.
>>3948218Hardest part is the stickers desu. Some tweezers and sprue snippers and you'll be fine
>>3948204So the usual, then.
>>3948121>I went from the tragic ending to Yazan falling down a manhole like a Wile E. CoyoteI took a month's break at that point and watched some of the OVAs, which helped. I personally like the theory that Yazan suffered oxygen deprivation in the escape pod and is now stuck on some godforsaken colony with brain damage. Anyway, you're out of the woods now, the rest of the show is considerably better. The Dublin arc in particular is some of the best stuff in the series.>>3948130I don't think she doubts Suletta's genuineness, but the thing she was terrified of was what would happen if Suletta had to choose between her and Prospera. It kinda seemed like that would have been the next logical question in the greenhouse ("would you kill/give me up if your mom asked?"), which is when she ran away and decided to give up on their relationship.>>3948177this basic premise could be applied to many different settingsI'm sure someone's made the comparison, but aside from Prospero, the Count of Monte Cristo/Gankutsuou seems like an obvious predecessor to Milf Char.>Nina Purpleton is right next to Reocca I was just thinking about how while Reccoa's depiction is clearly misogynistic, she's still an interesting and nuanced character. Nina, meanwhile, is just pure "bitches be kimagure" 80d anime writing, at least after the halfway mark when the director changes and the show starts losing the thread. Her actions are still easier to forgive, since by the time of her betrayal, shit has already hit the fan and all she really does is cuck Kou, who is a piece of shit and deserves it.Also, 0083 is worth watching for the absolutely perfect ending to Monsha's character arc and Cima Garahau, one of the best characters in Universal Century. Look up her backstory on a wiki and she becomes the most sympathetic character in the show and a good antidote to the Zeon bullshit that creeps in.
Think they'll include any kind of framing device in the recap episode?
>>3948203Not them obviously but thank you as well. I've had Anaheim Girls on my hard drive waiting for a bit wondering when to read it and this'll help.
>>39482240080's ending is sad, but not in a brutal or overwhelming way. If you can handle Gundam in general, 0080 should be fine.
Well I binged this entire show and I gotta say that I've been spoiled by yuri wins lately because the knife to the kidneys that Precious Things was hurt like a motherfucker. Like Suletta's little fantasy about her wedding right before the plan goes into motion was fucking adorable as it's such a contrast to the absolute hick of a girl that she was when the show started out who didn't even know girls could be with girls. Then she gets her heart absolutely fucking destroyed for her own good.Anyways, that reaction out of the way I gotta say I rather liked the entire show for the most part. The body double Elans were kinda bluh but fuck those guys. The entire gaggle of supporting characters for Sulletta's team are solid enough with poor Nika just having the worst time and ChuChu being fucking based. Hell I even like Guel a bit even if whatever the fuck exactly he's up to isn't clear and he's enough of a joke and sufferer from the grimness of the setting to keep him from being too threatening before he clearly gives up and respects Sulletta's choice of Miorine. Even if he got wrangled into the plot to break her heart. Dude nearly got killed for it too, given that fucking gun got busted out by the girl who is clearly fucking crazy through no fault of her own due to mother dearest's whatever the fuck she did.Anyways, any good fics involving some of the latest revelations? Like either Sulletta's complete obedience or the potential of her going yandere over getting her heart crushed?
One more week.
I don't buy the "Suletta was gonna kill Guel" take. either a) she'd have to be thoughtlessly using overkill, which is weird for the girl who used Aeriel for extremely delicate rescue operations, or b) she thought she had to fucking obliterate the dude whose ass she had kicked twice now.
>>3948034>>3948068You are correct.But they're on Amiami for $40.
Any update from the recap? Could someone send the live bilibili link?
>>3948033Yes. >>3948029I know, I have backordered on HJL, but it's rather slow process.
>>3948263Apparently Prospera is narrating
>>3948261I think the cockpit could've withstood the hit, but the rest of Darilbalde would've been completely vaporized. We already saw what even just the green laser from that gun can do previously.>>3948263Nothing really. There was a segment where Shaddiq's plan was explained in a bit more detail but it's stuff we already extrapolated from context.
>>3948261>>3948267I'm not sure Sulletta was really thinking. She was clearly in the clouds more than a bit about giving Miorine a win for her birthday. Also I'm really doubtful that the cockpit would survive. The individual bits absolutely slag the limbs off of mechs when they get a clean shot. The full set in a direct hit wouldn't be pretty at all. Especially since we've seen gundam limbs get slagged by proximity to the shots from that thing.
>>3948129>>3948130>>3948233On top of her concerns over Prospera, Suletta losing the title of Holder is probably healthier for their relationship in the long run 'cause Miorine's certainly got some self-worth issues tied up in how she was treated under the dueling system for the longest while. Even if she rationally knows Suletta cares for her regardless, it seems the sort of question that would nag at the back of her mind; Suletta's own self-worth getting increasingly tied to the role as their relationship developed making it all the more problematic. The opportunity for her and Suletta to choose each other apart from any external cause is absolutely the way this was always going to go.But goddamn, if they settle on just rekindling their relationship and don't actually get married by the end of this, I'm not going to be able to stand it.
>>3948269>But goddamn, if they settle on just rekindling their relationship and don't actually get married by the end of this, I'm not going to be able to stand it.The only reason I don't think it'll end like that is simply because of how they've been hyping up their wedding. Suletta talking about it last episode solidified that for me. Its just they'll marry out of love rather than obligation to the Holder position.
>>3948261>>3948267>>3948268She was certainly aiming for the antennae even if she was going for massively flashy overkill, but we've sen that the full Bit-On Cannon was powerful enough to melt mobile suits, even from a glancing blow.I think Guel would've survived, but it would've decimated the top half of the Darilbalde, half-melted his cockpit, and left him with some nasty burns.
>>3948267>I think the cockpit could've withstood the hit, but the rest of Darilbalde would've been completely vaporizedThis. People will say it's bullshit the cockpit could be durable enough to withstand that, but then so is it being able to withstand hits from beam sabers that cut through mobile suit limbs like butter. The scene isn't in any way played like Guel's in mortal danger and Suletta isn't that crazy. Even when she fought Sophie, who had just killed people and was threatening to go after Miorine next, Suletta tried to avoid killing her. Finally, if she really was about to melt Guel, what Miorine did was 100% justified and would have saved Suletta from going to jail for the rest of her life, yet the scene isn't played like that either.
>>3948272>The scene isn't in any way played like Guel's in mortal danger and Suletta isn't that crazy.This. Nobody in the crowd acts like Guel is about to die from that shot, not even Guel himself.
>>3948264>Yes.So I guessed right. If it's that same Lithuanian shop I got my Beguir-Beu from, that'd be mildly amusing.
>>3948275Poland in my case, but it seems that whole eastern europe is likely supplying from the same place (France), so they are ass backwards when it comes to kits, comparing to England or the like, that have much more newer kits.
>>3948272>People will say it's bullshit the cockpit could be durable enough to withstand that, but then so is it being able to withstand hits from beam sabers that cut through mobile suit limbs like butter.There is no indication that the cockpits are any better armored than the rest of the suit. The only explanation given so far is that there is a software block on targeting the cockpits in duel settings.Nobody present except Suletta had actually seen that BFG fired before, hence the lack of reaction. The only real weak part in the mortal danger theory is Suletta going overboard in her drive to win. As much as I like said theory, I don't think she's quite that crazy yet.>>3948278Ah yeah, that's right, I remember, the box had some French shipping stickers on it.Not letting me have Daril-chan makes for yet another entry in a long list of French crimes against humanity.
>>3948036As another leaf I just watch for the new stock emails from all the big stores. Actually I just looked and panda hobby has Mio Suletta and Aerial in stock if you're still looking for those
>>3948283>There is no indication that the cockpits are any better armored than the rest of the suitAll the duels are conducted with green beams while serious battles are fought with blue or purple ones. When Olcott sees Suletta firing the BFG with its green beam, he can immediately tell it's not in proper combat mode. Since even in green mode the weapons have no trouble cutting up mobile suits, the thing they're protecting must be the cockpit. Maybe it's coated with something that protects it from low-intensity beams or something. If they were always one wide swing away from death, the duels would play out very differently and someone would have tried to kill Suletta for real already.>Nobody present except Suletta had actually seen that BFG fired before, hence the lack of reactionThey don't need to be able to use 100% perfect deductive reasoning to show it would kill Guel. They can see it's a giant gun and have sensors that could tell if its energy output is deadly. On a more meta level, the whole reason Secelia's ass is on that couch is so she and the others can tell the audience what's happening in the fights (and why so many anime fights have spectators). For instance, go back to episode three at around 15:40 and see how they cut from the sprinklers ruining Suletta's beam shots to the couch, where the dueling committee kids explain how water dissipates beams. If they're going to bother explaining that even though we just saw it, they'd tell us if Suletta was about to murder someone she's on friendly terms with.
>>3948315Secilia's ass wasn't on the couch. That's why bad things happened.Now updated to remove the dude. Rules are there for a reason.
>>3948315Imagine how quickly the school would get shut down if there was a real danger of some rich kid getting instantly incinerated by a stray beam
>>3948318I see even rulefags forget the couch shota exists.
Any interesting info from the recap?
>>3948325No. Eri narrated the PV.
I bet Sophie feels dumb in Heaven right now for getting herself killed just before Oneechan ended up single and vulnerable.
>>3948329Anon, Sophie wanted Eri, not Sulleta.
>>3948325It’s just a clip show with Prospera’s VA doing commentary.The Peil CEOs also joined in during the ending credits since today is Mother’s Day
>>3948202>I can only imagineYou can read the archives, you know.
>>3948329Sophie can sexually harass Suletta when she pilots Lfrit Ur
>>3948315Fuck I wanted to post that pic
>>3948257>Anyways, any good ficsIf anyone can identify a good Sulemio fic, I'd be so happy because what I've browsed on AO3 is bad. People don't seem to write Suletta's character well at all.
Cradle Planet clears up a lot of the "mysteries":>Outlines Prospera's revenge plan via sending Suletta to school to become Holder>Aerial doesn't want Suletta involved in their revenge>Aerial says Suletta IS Prospera's daughter>They hid on Mercury before Suletta turned 4>Prospera wasn't being metaphorical about the voices in her head>Taught Suletta the move forward gain two motto so she'd quit running from her shots>Suletta becomes the best shooting sim player after beating Prospera's high score when she's 8>Suletta is a very skilled pilot who can "wield her beam saber as precisely as a surgeon" without Aerials' interference>She doesn't think Aerial is a weapon because they ran search and rescue on Mercury
Miorine owes prospera an apology for corrupting her daughter into a sex crazed lesbian
I was one of the people arguing Suletta was going to be fine but I just remembered when she broke down because she didn't get a sandwich and now I'm worried>>3948383I hate when they hide important plot points in some book, they could have covered all this in one episode or with flash backs
>>3948385huh you can read the whole thing for free online, I guess I shouldn't complainI've started reading in Japanese so might be a good learning exercise https://en.gundam.info/about-gundam/series-pages/witch/music/novel/
>>3948385It's not really a book, it's a short story they posted for free on Gundam-info. https://en.gundam.info/about-gundam/series-pages/witch/music/novel/It would have to be a flashback from Prospera's perspective, because the novel is from Aerial's POV and Suletta isn't privy to the juicier information. Prospera intentionally keeps her in the dark about it.
>>3947849>Western artists making them uglyWhat could possibly be the reason for this phenomenon?
>>3948412Don't start, we have enough of that on other boards
>>3948415
>>3948383It's definitely worth reading and pretty short.>>Prospera wasn't being metaphorical about the voices in her headWhat's this based on?>>Suletta becomes the best shooting sim player after beating Prospera's high score when she's 8She's actually six.
>>3941280They changed groom to fiancée (most likely because word gendering is stronger in Spanish, so it would be weird to have Suletta calling herself a marido or novio).
>>3948419>What's this based on?This part:>If you want revenge, you and I can do it ourselves. Just keep her out of this.>But Mom can't hear my voice.>"Just you watch, everybody. Our daughter is going to avenge us!"Prospera's alone with Aerial when she says this
>>3948422So you mean >Suletta wasn't being metaphorical about the voices in her headNo prospera
>>3948424No, I meant Prospera. I forget which episode it was but Prospera says that she has voices in her head screaming at her to take revenge on Delling, and Aerial is seeing her talk to them in this scene
>>3948425>I forget which episode it was but Prospera says that she has voices in her head screaming at her to take revenge on DellingThe episode where Mio confronts her about brainwashing Suletta
>>3948422Oh, nice catch. I don't think it's still definive (not everyone who talks to the dead has auditory hallucinations), but clearly the scenes are linked.
>>3948386Why the hell is this in the "Music" section of all places?>>3948422This can still be metaphorical. As in, she's keeping the dead in mind while enacting her revenge, not literally seeing or hearing their ghosts.
>>3948429I mean if they were gundam pilots it makes sense they would be stuck as data storm ghosts too
>>3948429Looks like it's tied to the YAOSOBI OP and explains the lyrics
>>3948431Not really. There were tons of Gundam pilots that died from exposure to data storm before, that's why Delling's anti-witch autism even was accepted by the general public. Unless somewhere between the massacre and episode 1 Elnora managed to tapped into data storm stream where all the ghosts are chilling together, there's no reason to believe Gundam pilots' souls go into the Permet soup after they die.
>>3948434Maybe only other high Permet pilots can sense them, so only Prospera and Suletta are left
>>3948435"There is actually a data storm limbo where all Gundam pilots go if they die in the mech" is something I would rather not see in the show. At best I can see the echoes of them piloting the Gundam in their final moments being recorded into the data storm, and that's what Prospera is hearing, but the idea of her wearing a helmet that's essentially just 24/7 screaming of her dead comrades is pure fanfiction-tier edge.
>>3948431Whatever Prospera means by the voices, I don't think they're actual ghosts. They seemed like decent people who'd have been appalled to see what Prospera has become.
>>3948436I mean it kinda fits with the whole newtype idea Tomino is so obessed with, that there is some higher plane of existance that souls can escape to if they're not held down by gravityDoesn't have to be a bad place
>>3948438I think she might be schizophrenic or something similar, but it's possible she is hearing something in the data storm and she's just telling herself that's what it is.
>>3948439Adding on to that maybe Prospera is just not that high level on the Permet scale, so she can sense them but not understand themSo they're telling her to stop but she hears "keep going", but Suletta can actually understand Eri
>>3948441>Don't, stop!>I WILL NEVER STOP
>>3948027I will never forget that time there was a Japanese retailer on Amazon selling Gunpla at actual Japanese MSRP with no paid shipping. What a time that was... They've since disappeared and now I can only buy through local shops, meaning I simply have to eat the outrageous markups that I assume are meant to cover for whatever insane shipping fees they themselves have to deal with.
>>3948439It's not so much about it being a bad place as it is about the implications of potentially limitless afterlife. Your grandma is about to kick the bucket? That's okay, just shove her into a Gundam and make her kill herself with Permet score 147, and she'll be forever recorded in the data storm.
>>3948446I think you have to earn that score though, like newtypes in UC, not everyone becomes one
>>3948446That's the endpoint of transhumanism though, isn't it? I think G-Witch's take on Newtypes might be the most fitting across the AUs.
>>3948000I'd murder for Ur and Thorn, goddamn.t. another east euro
>>3948443>Don't kill no more!>Kill more?!
>>3948451Kinda spoiling Ideon so deleted my post
>>3948422This part is more about how Prospera is set on avenging the dead than anything else. You even had Aerial saying Prospera can't hear her voice and dragging Sulleta to it to contrast how little she actually considers the ones who are still here. It says nothing about how literal or metaphorical the voices are.
>>3948458Yeah, the best argument against her old crew actually talking to her is the fact that we know of one confirmed permet ghost and Prospera can't hear her.
>>3948444Have you looked at HLJ? You'll have to pay VAT and deal with customs at your end, but there's no huge markup compared to Japanese prices and their cheapest shipping is pretty cheap, at least if you order a couple of kits at a time. I paid like 40 euros for Aerial and Grandpa, including shipping and tax.
Reading Cradle Planet now and they're pretty close, surprised Eri just left Suletta like that
>>3948473Just like Miorine, she knows things are getting ugly and she wants to leave Suletta out of it. Besides, Suletta lost Aerial too, so staying wouldn't have helped.
>>3948473I mean Eri also says she doesn’t want her dragged into it
>>3948474>Turn Quiet Zero on>Nothing happens>M-masaka, where's Eri?!>Suretta shows up in BALL with Eri controlling the funnels and wipes the floor with everyone
>>3948421The Portuguese dub has Suletta calling herself Miorine's "noivo" in fact, which sounds weird to me but I don't know how PT works in that regard.
W-why is she watching me read?
>>3948484Jazz's yoga training made her a Newtype. She sees all.
>>3948484I find it curious that she's the one accompanying Shaddiq on his business and not Sabina. Given the foreshadowing of a split in Grassley, it might be possible she's the actual right hand and not Sabina after all.
>>3948489Could be Shaddiq knew Norea (and Sophie, had she survived) was going to be a handful and left Sabina behind to make sure they behave. There could also be a phase two she needs to oversee.
>>3947823roided bulldykes are hot tho
>>3948494Only if they keep their femininity
How long do you think it'll take these crazy kids to get back together? I'm thinking three or four episodes.
>>3948498I'm always surprised by how quick g witch resolves their cliff hangers so maybe only 2 or 3 episodes? I'm honestly only excepting Suletta to be sad in the next one but having it end with her finding her resolve to fight for what she wants aka her bride to be.
Cute new merch.
>>3948498Episode 18of season 3
>>3948513figures or just those flat plastic cutouts?>>3948516I would watch a whole season of punished Sulette fucking shit up
>>3948498Probably during the climax or the end of the next big MS fight, which will probably be in about 2-3 episodes.
>>3948517>figures or just those flat plastic cutouts?They're plushies.
>>3948519Fuck, I could rationalize gunpla, then I could rationalize figures, plushies are harderGuess into the otaku hole I go
>>3948516A Cour 3 would be nice.I dont know how we're expected to resolve...everything this season. Unless every storyline that we typically expect to take up entire episodes all get shrunk and resolved in 6 minutes in GWitch instead.
>>3948523They're all related, if it's done well they can all be resolved at once
>>3948523There’s no way they can resolve the earth/spacian stuff this season if we’re getting this much focus on sulemio
>>3948528Thankfully I don't really care about that
>>3948509>I'm honestly only excepting Suletta to be sadI'm kinda hoping for near suicide watch levels of broken. What happened to Suletta was pretty fuckin extreme after all.
>>3947823I understand you! Suletta is very feminine and she is not prepared for hand-to-hand combat. She dreams of dresses and is very shy, many artists seem to have built a completely different character. Something curious is that the SabiNika artists are doing a very good job in characterizing Sabina, almost always she is top (obviously) but you feel that she resembles the character we see in the anime even though it is so little time, she continues being just as feminine and she is taller, stronger and a prince than Suletta. Maybe it's the heels? but I haven't seen her as a bulldyke even though she's a pilot and I'm sure she could beat up El5n.
>>3948532I think Suletta would try to talk to Miorine first to figure out what happened before entering suicide watch.
>>3948513
>>3948528It's almost like SuleMio is a major part of the story.The Earthian/Spacian stuff isn't even as big of a deal as people make it out to be, at least for those expecting a full all-out war since the conflicts are more of just minor skirmishes. It's also something the Benerit Group is concerned about so that will likely be tackled during the elections.
>>3948538I’m not really complaining. It just feels like they’re setting up more than they can actually wrap up
>>3948536Doubt that'd go anywhere but Suletta getting her number blocked.
>>3948528Not like it's a requisite that all racial tensions must be resolved in the first place, SEED was 50 episodes and Naturals and Coordinators still largely hated each other's guts at the end of UT all
>>3948528Is that something Gundam shows typically resolve? The UC certainly hasn't in 44 years of anime.>>3948536She's going to take everything Miorine said at face value and never try to talk to her again until something major happens. Suletta isn't good at this stuff.>>3948534It's just people re-imagining Suletta in a way that appeals to them, extremely basic stuff for fanart. No one actually thinks she's a butch.
>>3948498I'm inclined to think it'll be relatively quickly, mostly because we already did a separation arc for the first three episodes this season. So I'd guess late episode 19 or early 20 for reconciliation.
If pic related is Suletta not getting a sandwich, how bad is she going to be now?
>>3948543>Is that something Gundam shows typically resolve? The UC certainly hasn't in 44 years of anime.This is the no.1 thing i disliked about Unicorn. Everyone was OBSESSED with "newtypes this, newtypes that" in 0079, Zeta and ZZ and suddenly they act like it's a misterious thing THAT IS JUST A LEGEND GUISE.>>3948538Yeah, it seems like the earthians are just discount Mafty, with the downside that they don't actually have extremely capable leaders and connections to obtain the latest mechs.
>>3948546Watching this part again, it really is like a switch was flipped when her mother said to come see herSay what you want but the second she saw MioMio she never bothered going to see her Mother, her love over powered the programming
Even if it would be out of character I want to see Suletta be a bit of a bitch when she eventually makes up with Miorine.Demanding Mio to let her call her Miomio, asking for her daily emails to be replied to, asking for full control of every single detail of their wedding.
>>3948545I'm expecting the next MS-related action to directly put Miorine in grave danger, perhaps as a result of her winning the election. This would be enough motivation for Suletta to charge back into the thick of all the corpo wars in order to save her.
>>3948543>She's going to take everything Miorine said at face value and never try to talk to her again until something major happens. Suletta isn't good at this stuff.She was also pretty downtrodden when El4n called her annoying, but when Miorine encouraged her to seek him out to ask what the fuck happened, she did just that. Seeking him out at Peil didn't really work, but she insisted on it during the duel. And at time El4n was barely an acquaintance, let alone a lover. Just have someone from Earth House encourage her to ask Miorine if it was all a lie all this time. Not the most exciting way out, but it is a way out. Plus, episode 17 also paralleled some ideas from the Guel arc, looking at some from the El4n arc isn't too far fetched.
Just saw a Twitter post expanding on the Cool-san theory and bringing up Miorine's penchant for recording things (ie. episode 8 right after Prospera sends Aerial's datafiles to Miorine's phone, in a blink or you'll miss it frame, Miorine starts recording their conversation. Then we have her video recording of Martin getting hit with the spraypaint can). What if she recorded Prospera at some point in the previous episodes?A reply to that tweet also brought up the second cours key visual and I think we all got caught up in the fact that Shaddiq, Suletta and Guel are all reaching towards Miorine because that's what it looks like at first glance, but look at it again and if you follow Shaddiq and Guel's eyes, they're looking at Cool-san right above Miorine.I'm honestly not into the Cool-san theory because I feel like it would undermine Miorine trying to keep Suletta away from all this, but it's cool to speculate and I suppose if done correctly they could make it work.
>>3948551This seems like the most likely path, though this show has often surprised me. We could get something more out there, like Suletta returning to Mercury first and getting some clues about her real origins.>>3948553Miorine recording her recent conversations with Prospera actually makes a lot of logical sense, and it's been foreshadowed, but I'm not sure how that would work narratively. If hearing the recordings would make a difference to Suletta, then Prospera allowing herself to be recorded wouldn't follow her keikaku, right?>>3948550Honestly, I really hope MioMio was just a one time thing. There are much better nicknames.
>>3948556>If hearing the recordings would make a difference to Suletta, then Prospera allowing herself to be recorded wouldn't follow her keikaku, right?Yeah, that's why I'm not really 100% on board with the Cool-san theory. Like what even would make Suletta change her mind on her mom suddenly? Just going back to ep 8 for example, Suletta had no problem with having been lied to about Aerial being a gundam. I'm really not sure her hearing a secret conversation would set her on a course of understanding, or at least I think it would have to be coupled with something else happening.I'd also assume Prospera would have had no idae she had been recorded. I don't think she said anything about Miorine recording her in ep 8. She might not have even noticed, or possibly didn't even care. She's proven herself pretty adept at adapting her revenge plan to changing circumstances so far.I think someone pointing out the key visual thing with Cool-san is what has me thinking about it more and I wouldn't mind as much now if they did go that route, but as of right now, I can't possibly think of how that would work.
>>3948556It's unclear if Suletta matters at all to Prospera anymore now that Aerial reached Permet 8
>>3948513>>3948537>furries wonDamn
>>3948553The recording might not be for Suletta. Feng Jun is still investigating Shin Sei, the recording might expose more than Prospera would be comfortable with to the Space Assembly. Gambling on an extremely depressed Suletta to hand it over might be risky though but if Prospera is no longer paying attention to the tanuki...
I thought we were getting a recap episode this week. Are we just not getting anything?
>>3948573It's not a proper recap episode, they just get some VAs to narrate the events so far without much teasing or hinting for future stuff.This time they had Prospera's VA narrate episode 13-17
>>3948572I don't see why Suletta would be needed to hand it over. The investigators are still Miorine's pilots aren't they?
>>3948575Well, alright. So we get a regular episode next week at least, right?
>>3948556>Suletta returning to Mercury first and getting some clues about her real origins.Mercury would also make for a pretty sick final boss stage so maybe they're saving it for that. Still, their break seems like a good opportunity for Suletta to find things out on her own, because Miorine's kind of undermined her own credibility here.>>3948576Feng Jun's a special agent who just posed as a pilot to get an in with Miorine for her research into the Benerit Group.>>3948572Surely this would be a very convoluted way of giving some files to a third party, and even more cruel to Suletta?>I hid a secret message in that trinket symbolizing our love>It's not for you
>>3948580>Surely this would be a very convoluted way of giving some files to a third party, and even more cruel to Suletta?It depends on how intervened Miomio's comms are, which they surely must be - remember how Prospera already knew about Vim's original attempt to kill Delling.
>>3948593Given that Feng Jun is on Miorine's payroll as a pilot, the most secure way to hand over evidence would be to call in her and her partner to fly her somewhere and hand off the evidence directly.
>>3948558Right, but she still needs to maintain the possibility of control over Suletta, or she has no leverage against Miorine. If Miorine had recorded Prospera saying, "I never loved her and always saw her as a tool," I think that would have woken Suletta up. But she hedged her words with Miorine, at least to the extent that Suletta could buy her justifications if she heard.>>3948593My guess on this is that Delling knew Vim was intending to kill him (since he has more resources and is more competent than Vim), and told Prospera before episode 2.
>>3948572>The recording might not be for Suletta. Feng Jun is still investigating Shin Sei, the recording might expose more than Prospera would be comfortable with to the Space Assembly.Oh, this is good, I keep forgetting about the Space Assembly's existence. Any foreshadowing over a secret recording would be more likely for this, I think, but this wouldn't really have anything to do with Suletta and it'd make no sense to have a recording for Feng Jun placed inside Cool-san.I think I'm getting caught up on the key visual for this cours being able to be interpreted as the guys reaching for Cool-san. Like that definitely would be a neat thing to have had in our faces this whole time, but I guess we'll see.
>>3948528>>3948538>>3948542Like I said elsewhere, have a new enemy faction invade Benerit-controlled space for a third cour/season.
>>3948332Eri has the power, but Suletta can give her hugs and gifts and karaage. Sophie wouldn't complain about having both anyways.
>>3948332Wonder if anyone will write that pairing in one of those AUs where life isn't awful like in canon.
>>3948612maybe
>>3948613In some alternate reality got her edgy tanuki big sister. Something about that makes me glad.
>>3948580>Surely this would be a very convoluted way of giving some files to a third party, and even more cruel to Suletta?It is convoluted, but also the comedy and angst potential of Mio thinking she's saved the day only for Suletta to be even more upset at being her unwitting pawn would be good.
>>3948617>Oh, so you'll let your mom use you but not me?
>>3948557Suletta’s VA did say that Miorine’s true goal was to guide Suletta, so I would be surprised if that was true.
So… Suletta can be discarded now by her mom, since she has Miorine around her finger, right? No need for Suletta to exact her revenge plan anymore.How long will it take her to go fully mental?
>>3948626Unless Miorine forces her to do it, it would be dumb. Even if she's absolutely sure she will never need Suletta for anything like piloting or threatening Miorine, treating her well will at least keep her from joining anyone else. She's pretended to love her for 17 years, so what's a few more weeks or months?
>>3948619>At least my mom puts out!
When SuleMio marrige is confirmed and things have calmed down I see to see SolePro doujin
>>3948631Are there not many floating around? I imagine there are a few after that confrontation?
>>3947934MioEren edits when?
>>3948635Already exist.
>>3948498Pessimistically? Not until the finale.More rationally? G-Witch has been pretty good at keeping a brisk pace, and managing its plot points in both creative and efficient ways. So on the /less/ pessimistic side, 3 episodes, with 18 being angst city with a hopeful resolution at the end, 19 being plot development, and then 20 being resolution. And on the more optimistic side, 2 episodes, with 18 being half angst, half plot development, and then 19 being the resolution.
>>3948648Please stop, I don't want to start buying plushies
>>3948639It should be Miorine.
>>3948332Action is louder than words
>>3948528The earth/space conflict is 100% just a setup for future AS entries. They're on a tight enough schedule as is just doing the Quiet Zero storyline, they absolutely don't have the time to explore the tensions and warring. I can totally see a new series a year or two from now billed as taking place a few years after the Quiet Zero incident with a new rising star pilot from earth or whatever.
>>3948624I thought that was a mistranslation.
>>3948703>>3946345
>>3948647I really hope it's not until the finale. At most, I can see Suletta and Miorine crossing paths again. Not fully reconciling but working together towards a common goal against a common enemy (Shaddiq, DoF, Prospera, etc.) even though there might be some uneasiness between the two of them. Then come the finale, they fully reconcile.As for episode pacing: I feel the latter is more likely. The main plot isn't just going to halt for Suletta's character arc since Miorine is also a protagonist. I'm feeling one part of EP18 will be Suletta angsting, and other will be Miorine running for presidency, looking into Quiet Zero, etc. but with both of them feeling empty without the other as per the episode title. Then EP19-20 will be another MS-related action episode(s) where the two might cross paths.
>>3948692Or they could have SuleMio focus on those matters themselves. SuleMio are raking in money right now for Bandai, and I won't mind if the next chapter of their character development does involve them addressing the big issues of AS as a whole after their personal inner demons have been resolved.
>>39486472-3 to fix things up before hitting the finale stretch with them fully together is a good call.
>>3948705They're in love with each other so the second they're together again they're gonna reconcile.
>>3948708MioMio knows she has to stay strong though and not give in
>>3948705I really, really doubt it'll take until the finale for them to get back together. I even see this taking 3 episodes as too long for how well their pacing has been.
>>3948709She'll give in as soon as Suletta tells her that she wants to get involved for her own sake among some other gay shit.
>>3948711True, but Suletta has get there first so that should take at least an episode
>>3948712Yeah, so 2-3 episodes, not the finale.
>>3948708I think it would actually be healthier for them to not immediately hook back up. Suletta needs to be assertive and tell Miorine that it was not okay to do what she did.
>>3948744She can do that and they can still hook back up immediately. Even after character development I don't see Suletta as the person to be like that, especially not to Miorine regardless of how bad you see her actions. At best she's going to scream at Miorine about how badly she was hurt by what Miorine did but still be back together by the end of the scene.
>>3948705>Not fully reconciling but working together towards a common goal against a common enemyMiorine wouldn't agree to any kind of co-operation for now. She wanted Suletta out of the game and took out her means of fighting. Plus, Shaddiq is Suletta's only enemy right now for holding Nika imprisoned, but saving her doesn't feel like a natural Earth House/Jeturk combined operation.I do like the idea of their relationship being strained for a while. Imagine Miorine going for a kiss only for Suletta to flash back to her betrayal and pushing her away.
>>3948710They can still get back together before the finale, especially if they need to work together against Shaddiq/Prospera, but they won't go back to the way they were before EP17. They'd spend their remaining on-screen time patching up their relationship culminating in the finale where they fully reconcile.
>>3948763Miorine agreeing to it has nothing to do with Suletta choosing to do it anyway because she wants to help the girl she loves.
>>3948763That's what I am thinking too. Suletta is not going to outright hate Miorine and she'd still want to protect, I meant that she won't take Miorine's actions sitting down. They can then spend the remaining time before the finale patching up their strained relationship, then come the finale their faith and trust in each other will be put to the test but will be the last obstacle in their full reconciliation.
>>3948767>I meant that she won't take Miorine's actions sitting down.This can still happen even if they fully reconcile before the finale. Them reconciling doesn't mean things are just forgotten or even peachy.
>>3948769That IS what I meant. If Suletta's arc is going to be about her learning her self-worth and developing her own agency: I would want her to put her foot down and say it to Miorine's face that she was hurt by her actions.The finale could be when they fully reconcile or be an indicator of their full reconciliation. I've been comments on /a/ that Miorine in the ED closing her eyes and letting Suletta take the lead in their dance could be an indication of that: Of Miorine placing her full faith and trust in Suletta.
>>3948498I don't see this going past 3 episodes. 1 to let them wallow in their misery, 1 to put anything they decide into action, and 1 to resolve things before we hit the final stretch. I think people expecting a resolution to this in the final fucking episode are projecting way too much of their distaste of what Miorine did onto Suletta, Suletta has every right to be upset to Miorine's face about it but I don't think it's going to amount to much more than an emotional scene where Suletta pours her heart out to Miorine like how the reverse happened in episode 11.
>>3948771>I would want her to put her foot down and say it to Miorine's face that she was hurt by her actions.But again she can do that without having to spend the entire series before they're "fully" back together.
>>3948706I can see it, though I can also see them being reluctant to throw the heroines into the line of fire again right after a series about them finding each other.
>>3948777I don't think they'll really care about that if that means making more money from SuleMio merch.
>>3948774I feel like you're downplaying just what Miorine did to Suletta and how perfectly timed it ultimately was for maximum emotional damage. She sabotaged the duel she asked for as a birthday present, with Aerial's cooperation, using a program she told Suletta was a a sort of good luck charm. Then she went down to Suletta in the downed mobile suit, told her that she wanted Suletta to lose and that nothing about their relationship was real and tossed back the little gift before taking the costume change back. Leaving Suletta deprived of basically everything/everyone she cares about in life as a result of the whole fiasco as she's lost her sister, her fiance, possibly her job and student status, and unbeknownst to her is that her mom is either going to be supremely unhelpful or super manipulative when she tearfully calls her up.All of this in front of the entire school. When Suletta has a history of issues with feeling useful/wanted that were at their height right before Miorine changed their dynamic by telling Suletta she was happy with Suletta as her groom. As Suletta was just babbling over coms about how much she wanted to marry Miorine.This entire setup is nothing short of barbarically cruel and Suletta absolutely needs to be able to full express how much this hurt her. Which really isn't a something I can see fitting too comfortably if not spread out over multiple episodes of interaction.
>>3948774I mean, episode 11 was just after Mio hired gardeners and Suletta didn't get lunch, I'd give at least one more episode to get over what happened here, which is nearly as bad as missing TWO lunches.
>>3948781>This entire setup is nothing short of barbarically cruel and Suletta absolutely needs to be able to full express how much this hurt her.And I just said we're going to have a scene where Suletta does exactly this.>Which really isn't a something I can see fitting too comfortably if not spread out over multiple episodes of interaction.We have 7 episodes left so spending 3 of those resolving this is about right.
We'll see Suletta getting shipped off to mercury, then something will go horribly wrong with Miorine, and Suletta will return to her side through the power of warp!
>>3948553I think it can work pretty easily. Leave a recording of her conversation with Prospera plus a note that just says "YOU decide what's right to do" and if Suletta chooses to stay away that's fine, she's still safe, but she can also choose to get involved anyway and that's okay too because it's her choice. Regardless I don't think we've got the full picture of Miorine's plans yet, just a lot of putting pieces together when we might not even have all of the pieces.
>>3948788Inb4 a callback to Miorine's situation in EP2 where Suletta runs into the Space Assembly League people who offer to take her to Mercury. Suletta boards the shuttle, is told that when they cross a certain route there's no turning back. Suletta then thinks about it, but makes up her mind...only for her to show up later on when Miorine is in a bind.
>>3948635I'm sure I saw one once.
>>3948786I mean they really need multiple episodes of reconciliation being a thing that's ongoing between the two. You suggested 3 episodes to get the two to a reconciliation point and then continue on with the plot. Which is something I feel is far too little for how much damage Miorine did. We've already seen bumps in their relationship take significant amount of effort to smooth over. A betrayal and breakup this messy and intentionally painful needs much more than what you're suggesting.
>>3948797>We've already seen bumps in their relationship take significant amount of effort to smooth overThe biggest bump in their relationship to this date took a 5 minute chase scene to smooth over.
>>3948798You're forgetting about the time that Suletta turned a terrorist into tomato paste and then smiled about being a klutz after falling into the mess being something that Miorine spends a fair bit of time not communicating with Suletta about. Which is the thing that directly lead to Miorine realizing Suletta's nature and thus the current problem. Which is something Miorine deliberately set up to invalidate that particular little chase among other developments.
>>3948801>Miorine spends a fair bit of time not communicating with Suletta aboutBecause she was confined to a space interrogation room with no access to any communication devices.
>>3948798The betrayal+backstabbing is like 10x bigger than the bump in S1. That was just a misunderstanding and both girls not being fully open with their feelings, this was a deliberate destruction of everything Suletta values and cares about.
>>3948801>something that Miorine spends a fair bit of time not communicating with Suletta about.Did you forget that she literally wasn't allowed to until the previous episode? They talked about it very shortly after she was actually able to come back. They always work things out very quickly as soon as they're able and willing to.
>>3948802>>3948804I'm like 90% sure she had her phone and was looking at the thrice daily texts she was getting in one scene. The only person I recall explicitly talking about not being able to communicate was Prospera and she's obviously not reliable. I might be mistaken.Anyways, the betrayal is still a vastly greater issue than anything the relationship has faced before and it is something deliberately engineered to push Suletta away and out of danger from mother dearest and gundams. This should probably result in more trouble fixing than anything before.
Suletta is going to single-handedly topple Benerit Group and then Brightslap some sense into Miorine
>>3948805>I'm like 90% sure she had her phone and was looking at the thrice daily texts she was getting in one scene.That was after she was let go.
>>3948805>This should probably result in more trouble fixing than anything before.No one's saying it shouldn't, what people are having a problem with is saying that it should take the entire rest of the series to fix. Spending 3, maybe 4 episodes of things being miserable between them before they fix things up and are together again for the final stretch of episodes is a pretty reasonable prediction.
The obvious shortcut to explaining away their reconciliation is Quiet Zero. Somehow, Quiet Zero is going to play a part in Suletta and Miorine coming back together, knowing how they feel for one another. It's this show's version of the Newtype system, which is a Gundam staple. Yes it's kinds of lazy, like how Kamille falls for Four in like 30 seconds thanks to 'Newtype compatibility', but we know the feelings between these two are genuine, and if they can both see how much they love each other despite Mio making a very poor choice as a result of that love, then that'll do the trick. Permet magic's gonna probably cover for the lack of screentime the show has when there is this much in the air.
>>3948810I'm not saying it should be a focus of multiple episodes. Just that it shouldn't just be fully forgiven and forgotten by the time they reunite. Whatever shit that happens after for the plot beyond the relationship would be ongoing past that point, which I think the 3-4 ep projection is reasonable for, but during all that I think it would be good for the two not being fully back to where they were before the breakup to be a sort of backburner thing that everyone is aware of. Finale can put it to rest for sure though. Maybe a timeskip.All assuming that this cour is the last we get.
>>3948811Honestly if some ill-explained magic bullshit is what makes the two reconnect I'll be annoyed. I want an organic reconciliation.
I think people need to trust in our girls more than they are.
>>3948811dunno what's wrong with Suletta just asking Miorine why?
>>3948816Because that's apparently not enough.
>>3948803>misunderstandingThe only explanation for Mio dumping Suletta so harshly is if Mio somehow both thought Suletta does everything for Mio because she is brainwashed by Prospera AND evedropping on that Guel Suletta scene. Mio probably thought it was better off for Suletta to go for the one she thinks she cares. Basically a lesbian tragedy.
>>3948818You're forgetting that Miorine is also full of self-hatred so she probably doesn't think she deserves to have Suletta love her.
>>3948818>Mio probably thought it was better off for Suletta to go for the one she thinks she cares.Miorine knows that she's Suletta's "someone special. That's why she wavered when activating the kill switch and was clenching her upper arms while eavesdropping on Guel and Suletta. Her being mean serves a few purposes: making Suletta think she doesn't care at all should keep her from trying to follow and getting swept up in Quiet Zero again, it signals to her enemies that Suletta can't be used as leverage anymore, and it makes her look like the bad guy to garner sympathy for Suletta.In theory. A critical flaw in her plan is that it relies on anyone who might target Suletta having never seen a "break their heart to save them" ploy and it might empower the petty bullies who would target Suletta anyway.
>>3948818To me, it was a pretty clear cut case of Miorine doing what she thought was best for Suletta's future. Prospera said her and Suletta were inside the circle of murderers that her father and Prospera herself are also in so she's doing what she can to push Suletta out while locking herself in for Suletta to not come back inside.
>>3948818Miorine wants Sulleta to be freed from Prospera's bullshit. Said bullshit now includes ser, that's why she cut Sulleta this harshly. I don't know why is this so hard to understand.>>3948819This is also a factor too.
>>3948446There might be something to it. Nadim died at Permet 4 and just before he passed away, we see from his PoV and his mind/vision got sucked into the Data Storm.
>>3947921Heartbreaking
>>3948828but also funny
>>3948829Like anon's life.
>>3948824But we've seen all things considered score 4 isn't especially high. If that's all it takes it'd be a bit lame.
>>3948830so true
>>3948832Eri was lower than that when Prospera put her in Lfrit, however she did that. As far as we know she never went to 4 or above until Suletta piloted her.
>>3948410
Saw someone post a few cliffnotes from the recap commentary, and here's my big take-away:Felsi and Renee hate each other's guts.All girls love Sabina.Unrelated but also funny: Everyone hates Elan 5's guts.
/a/ seems to be back to shitposting about Guel. God next ep cannot come soon enough.
>>3948865He's probably going to be pretty prominent still so I don't think that's gonna help that much at all.
>>3948867Next episode is most likely going to focus on Suletta & Miorine judging by the title.
>>3948876We'll probably see him around too since he's also feeling the sad sack.
>tfw I just realized Prospera is an amputee for the sake of a pun
>>3948864>Suletta>top[x] Doubt
>>3948881I can buy service top at least, depending on Miorine's mood.
>>3948820>making Suletta think she doesn't care at all should keep her from trying to follow and getting swept up in Quiet Zero againSuletta & Miorine have a deep enough relationship that it won't take long for Suletta to start having faith in her again, she'll probably even figure out soon the reason Miorine has been acting differently.
I like how Miorine's character development and partial reconciliation with her dad, which looked so positive at the time, directly led her here. Particularly the way both have decided to impose misery on themselves and others to avoid something even worse, rather than trusting others to build something good. Instead, both are chasing after a pipe dream of a project, probably less because it's actually a good idea than for its connection to a dead woman. I hope he awakes and is horrified by what she's done.>>3948781That's well put. Once she realizes what Prospera has done, I'm sure Suletta will understand why Miorine did what she did, but it's still going to hurt, and Prospera will absolutely hit that wound in the end.>>3948881I'm 100% convinced Suletta fucks the same way she pilots, with absolute confidence and overwhelming skill.>>3948889It would be kind of sweet if Suletta had identified all the inconsistencies in Miorine's story by the next episode, but I don't think she'll let herself hope.
>>3948889Yeah, I had that thought somewhere in the past week. Suletta might be completely oblivious to just how twisted her mom is, but she's at least smart enough to put two-and-two together that she's involved somehow, given how cagey Miorine would get whenever Prospera came up, and how she kept asking about her and her influence.
>>3948891>It would be kind of sweet if Suletta had identified all the inconsistencies in Miorine's story by the next episodeI find it sorta conspicuous how the narrative treats the "stay by my side forever" promise. Previously when Suletta alluded to a promise with Miorine, the focus was on the "Don't Lose Duels" part; it wasn't until she started talking about their blissful wedded life that "Stay by my side forever" was brought up again. And Miorine makes no mention of it during her faux-rejection of Suletta.Maybe it's just 'cause I narrowed in on that detail for my own fanfic, but I think it'd be nice if that incongruity wound up being important to Suletta sussing out Miorine's behavior.
>>3948865Who cares
>>3948900I feel kinda bad for Chuchu, though.
>>3948891I think when Miorine talks to her father again after he wakes up, she'll start to see that she's doing the same thing to Suletta that he did to her & realize that she made a mistake.
>>3948895I'm pretty sure that's what will clue Suletta in on the fact that Miorine wasn't being truthful with her rejection.
>>3948900>>3948901Kys hetcucks
>>3948904My money is on Miorine's reaction to her killing that freedom fighter. If all she wanted was a shield, surely she would have encouraged Suletta to kill for her.
>>3948891>I'm 100% convinced Suletta fucks the same way she pilotsPretending to piilot while Eri does the heavy lifting?Time for GUND format sex toys I guess
>>3948904Fingers crossed. I'd let out the biggest "CALLED IT!"
>>3948902It's ok she has Felsi now
>>3948907Aerial herself says that Suletta can pilot with a surgeon's precision
>>3948912I've seen some people suggest that the difference between Suletta & Ericht and how they use Aerial is kinda like a Fighter/Mage dichotomy. Suletta's preference is for rushing in and outmatching an enemy in melee, while Ericht just overwhelms and eviscerates an enemy with her bits.If thought of in such terms, then one could argue it really was more Ericht that won the original duel against Guel in episode 1, but Suletta who clinched the rematch which fully established their place at Asticassia.Anyone into Suletta/Miorine/Ericht threesome, there's some sound grounding for it.
>>3948602>Right, but she still needs to maintain the possibility of control over Suletta, or she has no leverage against Miorine.Her leverage over Miorine is Quiet Zero, she never actually played the Suletta card on Miorine. It's Miorine who asked Prospera to leave Suletta alone, and I can totally see Prospera agreeing because she knew Suletta already fulfilled her role
>>3948878Right now Guel is the least lost of all the characters, so he doesn't fit in the episode title at all
>>3948936It seems Prospera's plan here is for a stalemate until something tips the balance in her favor. If we assume Sulleta already fulfilled her role, Prospera has nothing to lose and everything to gain by "honoring" her promise to Miorine. The thing is, I can't see Miorine to be stupid enough to not have some kind of countermeasure. Quiet Zero is her parents' project and all that, but rejecting her legacy is something that has already been foreshadowed.
>>3948936The deal was for Prospera to leave Suletta out of her revenge plot, that's the only reason Miorine is getting involved with the Benerit Group or Quiet Zero, something she didn't want to do in the first place.
>>3948936Prospera planted the idea in the first place by "letting slip" just how much she was manipulating Suletta like having her attend the school and become Holder. Her plan beyond awakening Eri was always to go after Miorine so she probably jumped advantage of the opportunity to divest herself of Suletta once she'd fulfilled her purpose.
Too many tourists here
Finally, a good twitter post
>>3948945>the only reason Miorine is getting involved with the Benerit Group or Quiet ZeroThe show hasn't really gone into it, but I think she might want to finish Quiet Zero. It's the life's ambition of the mother she idolizes and wants to feel connected. Her original plan was to escape to Earth because Notrette was from there.>>3948959Looking forward to the scene where she monologues to Miorine as she's being turned into a tomato about how she never intended to use Suletta for anything after Permet 8 so breaking her heart achieved nothing.
>>3948966She doesn't even know what Quiet Zero is, so why would she want to finish it?
>>3948968She's never lived on Earth and should know it's a shithole, yet she wanted to spend the rest of her life there just because of her mom. Why not then finish the project that was so important to her?
>>3948966I don't think she wanted to work on QZ initially. She said she couldn't be president and work on it until Prospera brought Suletta into it.Now, this parallels a beat from The Tempest where Prospero separates Ferdinand from Miranda and puts him to work on harsh manual labor. Despite being royalty, Ferdinand doesn't mind the hard work, though he does keep Miranda constantly on his mind.Since Prospera separated Miorine from Suletta here to put her to work on Quiet Zero, I think she will not mind working on it because it was a project that involved her mother. And much like Ferdinand, she will keep Suletta on her mind at all times.
>>3948964Suletta's dumb fuckin face is perfect.
After all Prospera has done. Will Eri be happy now that she can communicate with her? Or is she going to be pissed over her treating Suletta and Miorine like she has?
Sulettetas
Nee-sans, I just bought an HG Aerial.I've never built a gunpla before. They got me.
>>3948974Eri will have words about the way she's treated Suletta. She told Prospera not to involve her with their revenge but Prospera isn't fluent in Gundam.
>>3948979I ended up ordering these too. Anyone else go them?
>>3948979Welcome in the rabbit hole. I was terrified of model kits a few months ago and now I'm buying the monstrosity that is Gundam Penelope myself.
>>3948970I should refresh my memory of the play. Is the Julie Taymor version any good? It's got a Prospera too.>>3948974If the ED tells roughly the same story as the season, this is the part where Aerial reaches out to Suletta and gives her the power to revolutionize the world, so I'm guessing she isn't a fan. She may initially think it's good that Suletta's out of the game, though.Now that I think about it, Prospera becoming furious at Suletta for stealing Eri away from her would be a fun plot development.>>3948979It's a fun and calming hobby. Welcome aboard.
>>3948969Suletta & Miorine have never been shown to be that aware of what's happening around them.
>>3948985You're building THIS? It looks absolutely ridiculous.
>>3948983I canceled my order for these and went for the full-sized SHFs instead
>>3948983Personally skipping these. I don't like what they did with Suletta's skin color. There's been so much Sulemio merch I actually have to pick and choose now.
>>3948891>I'm 100% convinced Suletta fucks the same way she pilotsDouble team with her onee-chan from every possible angle
>>3948983Got only Mio because Tanuki was out of stock when I ordered, but I'll get her soon too. Still need to build the plamos
>>3948999>>3949003I saw the SHFs but I wanna keep these at my work desk (I work from home but I don’t wanna clutter my desk with shit) and these are just a little over 3 inches so they seemed like the better choice for me.Also yeah I literally was telling a friend before buying them about how whitewashed Suletta is on these figures, but that’s been a long running theme on so much Suletta stuff at this point. It’s annoying.
>>3949021Was it rape?
>>3948998It's sick, like a Gundam wearing a dragon skin, can't help but love it. It was so cool in the movie too, with flickering golden highlights and the kaiju noises it makes while flying.
>>3948932>Anyone into Suletta/Miorine/Ericht threesome, there's some sound grounding for it.Don't forget the eleven gund-bits.
>>3949052That just seems like a logistics problem at that point.Miorine being stuck figuring out the schedule for her groom and all her sisters/clones to bang her seems like something that'd happen to her.
>>3948985Funnily enough the second kit I bought after my Aerial was the Penelope because the shop I go to doesn't have a large selection and I just bought the fuckhuge kit that wasn't going to kill my wallet. Wasn't a bad build but I'm afraid to pose it in case the armor falls off or something. Hadn't done much Gunpla building at all since like the 00 days so it was an experience jumping from the Aerial to THAT.
Where’s the depraved fan art of Prospera taking advantage of Suletta?
>>3949061Miorine is tanking all that rape energy for Suletta's sake.
>>3949068Hands to yourself, Miorine. You haven't earned your handholding rights back yet.>>3949050As shown in this >>3948864 chart, Sabina is a tender lover.>>3948988It's hardly obscure knowledge, and they're shown talking about the current state of the Earth in the episode where they decide what to do with Gund-Arm.>>3949061Maybe Prospera's canon abuse of Suletta is bad enough that even depraved fanartists don't want to add that to the mix.
>>3949099>Maybe Prospera's canon abuse of Suletta is bad enough that even depraved fanartists don't want to add that to the mix.Didn't stop the Nanoha fanartists.
>>3948864Suletta and Miorine are both bottoms, let's be real. Mio might at least be a power bottom.
>>3949115Once Suletta finds her trademark Gundam protagonist resolve, she'll be a top. There's enough art of determined Tanuki to prove she has the right stuff. She's going to unleash that stamina of hers upon an unsuspecting MioMio.
The way the story is going it just makes sense for Mio to top.
>>3949115Nah, their first time is going to end just like ep 12 did. With Suletta absolutely covered in fluids, smiling like an idiot, and Miorine calling her a murderer. Only it's Miorine being completely unable to feel her legs due to how much Suletta made her orgasm and having bad stamina.>>3949120I disagree. If anything the story is pushing top Suletta after she gains some agency. Top Mio would only happen if she took Prospera's offer to take advantage of Suletta.
>>3949114Precia's abuse of Fate was at least cartoonishly deranged. What Prospera has done to Suletta makes my skin crawl.>>3949119This is what the ED is about. Those shaking hands at the end? Mio's post-orgasmic muscle spasms.>>3949120She just showed she can't be trusted with such responsibility.
https://twitter.com/xulinya/status/1657809747406454785/photo/1SUFFERING in brazilians
>>3949127Oh, you also have those? Here a video on spanishhttps://twitter.com/Krishta_v/status/1658028100226285568
>>3949126How many pics of the two fucking in the cockpit of Aerial are there even?
>>3949155Several.
>>3949155Not enough.
>>3949155cuntpit*
>>3949155Can't have Suletta lose to Mika.
>>3949055Would you say HG Aerial is a good beginner kit for a total noob? I ordered a random little tool set off Amazon for like $10 that has nippers and exacto knife since I wanna get a feel with this one and see if I get into it with more kits after. I don't mind getting better tools later.At the same time, my autism brain is like "you didn't get the best tools, now it's going to come out terrible."
>>3949115Mio is 100% a power bottom. Ordering Suletta to take advantage of her and dominate her is completely in character.
>>3949167Yeah I started with this thing.
>>3949167Absolutely, it's kind of designed with it potentially being someone's first in mind. The only difficult part you might find is the stickers for the Permet lines maybe being awkward to apply but I didn't find them that bad at all and the ones in the chest come as a prepainted part so you don't have to worry about those.
>>3949178>>3949180Nice, thanks, nee-sans. The kit I got comes with these two tweezers so hopefully these are good enough for sticker placement.
>>3949167Not that Anon, but it's a good choice. It's even got instructions in both Japanese and English, unlike older kits. Just watch some youtube beginner tutorials to get the basics of stuff like cutting the pieces from the runners and nub removal. The instructions start with the head, which are often the hardest part with Gundam units because they're so elaborate. If it feels difficult, you can skip to the torso for practice.>my autism brain is like "you didn't get the best tools, now it's going to come out terrible."From reviews I've seen, the set you picked is pretty decent. You'd probably make some mistakes even with the best tools, though. It's all part of the learning experience. Just remember, when you put it on display, your mistakes will be way less visible than when you're holding the parts in your hand.
>>3949182>It's even got instructions in both Japanese and English, unlike older kits.It was quite weird getting back into building Gunpla and seeing that pretty much all kits since the IBO line come with English instructions. You never needed them but it's nice to have and you also get the lore bits.
>>3949182>Just watch some youtube beginner tutorials...This sentence ended in the wrong place. The instructions that start with the head are of course those that come with the kit, not youtube tutorials.
>>3949167I'm pretty new to gunpla myself, but I would add that it's absolutely worth doing panel lining. The markers are cheap (under $3), really forgiving of mistakes, and really improves the look for not much work.
>>3949207Seconding. If it's literally the only thing you do, it's worth doing. There's a type of pen called pour-type that basically just drips a bit of ink into grooves to follow the lines and does wonders. You use grey for white, brown for red or green, and blue for blue, is my understanding.
>>3949207>>3949227Is it easy to clean up if you fuck up?
>>3949236I love this
>>3949234Generally a swipe of my finger'll do it. I think some of the colors might be harder to wipe off than others - grey's pretty easy generally, brown can be a bit stubborn, but you have to fuck up pretty bad to make it irredeemable.Also, be really careful using it on non-Bandai models. I've had no problems with Bandai plastic, but the times I've tried to get fancy using them on some other kinds of models I ended up melting some parts somehow. Poor old Grave Frog had its crotch melted, it was really hard to fix and now it looks like it had a battle-related VD. (Apparently adding clear coat or something is more important on other kinds of models)
>>3949236The table turns.
>>3949227Bandai also sells their own line of Real Touch markers that are made for panel lining. The dark grey one I have has been my best friend for years.
>>3948864100% the ship is smol weak tsundere top with extra dere Miorine that is always near panic at the end of a scene and has to be reassured by Suletta in the aftercare that she enjoyed it x tol strong service bottom Suletta who can fuck Miorine from quiet 0 to very loud 60 faster than hetshit shippers come up with excuses for bad behavior, with a praise kink the size of a colony.
>>3949227>There's a type of pen called pour-type that basically just drips a bit of ink into grooves to follow the lines and does wonders.Just looked these and jeez are the black and gray sold out everywhere?There's a hobby store near me that for sure sells gunpla, so I guess I'll check it out this weekend.
>>3949255If you don't mind the markup, the set of em I have is like 30 bucks on amazon with free shipping. 15 bucks on ebay but 20 dollar shipping so it's worse. Some site called NobleKnight is selling a grey one for like 4 bucks, I don't know what the catch is there. Hobbyworks has the full set for 21 bucks but doesn't say how much shipping is.Anyway, good luck.
>>3949167Generally Gundam models are pretty easy to put together, especially the lower price point figures like Aerial. The hardest part will be the stickers. I built the HGUC GP03 when I was a teenager with no tools and no model building experience.
https://video-cdn3.gelbooru.com/images/89/c4/89c40b82f93ee72f5428a62c5c017215.mp4
Please, Okouchi. Make it canon.
>>3949332W-What’s this?
>>3949335The most recent picture by a SabiNika artist. Their twitter Guthrie_kaiten
>>3949345I know the plot doesn't call for it, but is a shame that's the only time we've seen them wearing dresses outside of OP2/ED2
>>3949359Gotta save the real money shot for the wedding dresses.
>>3949332I love this guy's art so much. SabiNika is now my favorite couple in a long time. I really want to read fanfics about them and I've never read anything like that before. Okouchi please, it's already established that girls love Sabina, give her her mecanic girl and give Nika her prince.There are so many ways this couple is so hot.
Normalfag friend was supposed to crash at my place for 2 weeks but it was postponed so I can watch the new episode and build gunpla in peace!I hope it’s a good episode and not just “meanwhile on earth”
>>3949372Wait, you have friends??
>>3949364I want to see Nika be bullied by all of Sabina's female fans only to be saved by Sabina herself. Sabina's fans then do their best to try to say it was all a misunderstanding.
>>3949374I know, I’m shocked too
>>3949167I did my first two kits with just regular scissors and they ended up looking great to an untrained eye. I would say that the amount of precision and speacialized tools and clean up when building Gunpla is vastly overstated. Sure, if you take the hobby seriously, you'll want to do all that stuff, but the kits are generous to people who just want to pick up a figure they like and casually put it together.
Anyone else pre-ordered these?
>>3949244>Also, be really careful using it on non-Bandai modelsYou probably used some of the oil-based pens on ABS plastic, which they will melt. Bandai does occasionally use ABS in their kits (like the glowing chest permet things on Aerial), but the plastic type is explained in the instructions. I think it's more common in the grades above HG.>>3949382Even if that's the reason, It's not really a bad thing, even if some of his fans are annoying. I've certainly appreciated having cool female side characters like Sayla, Emma and Chris around in the shows with male protagonists. I just hopes he becomes a proper SuleMio shipper and tanks his company for the yuri.
>>3949400What are they?
>>3949407Cute.
Those furry plushies must be Animate exclusive.FUCK
>>3949409Cute indeed.
>>3949409>>3949412At least they got Suletta's skintone better than those megahouse chibi ones.Makes me worried about how they're going to do the Gundam Girls Generation figures.
You know it's kind of funny that Suletta went from not knowing gay people exist in episode 1 to "EXTREMELY FUCKING GAY" in the current episodes.
>>3949414I like how Prospera never told Suletta about gay people, even though her plan hinged on her and Miorine getting engaged.I wonder if there was a a slim, gray-haired woman who was nice to Suletta on Mercury and to whom Suletta was VERY attached to.>>3949412Does Mio have a camel toe?Have a forbidden suit Suletta wedding pic.
>>3949404Wonder if Mio told him about Quiet Zero, or if that's something between her and Prospera.
>>3949420Probably not. The market for mobile suits will crash once they can all be remotely controlled by a masked milf, which is detrimental to his goals. Cute Traitor Miorine-san strikes again.
>>3949423Ooh you have a point: Miorine could very much turn her back on him since to her, Suletta's safety is what matters overall.I actually wonder if QZ will be revealed later on, as I imagine that will get EVERYONE rattled from Shaddiq, Guel, Peil, etc since it pretty much threatens their way of life.
>>3949382Tourist fuck
>>3949406>>3949404>>3949403>>3949401>>3949391>>3949388>>3949382>>3949423>>3949430Shoot every single dumbfuck who's gushing about G*el on the fucking YURI BOARD of all places, shut the fuck up
>>3949434It's pretty annoying seeing that here of all places.
>>3949430I wonder what her endgame is. No way is she letting Prospera get away with her plan when clearly murdering the remaining Rembrans is one of the steps. However, she presumably wants to finish Quiet Zero herself or she could have just turned Prospera in to Delling's goons and comforted poor Suletta for losing her angelic mom. Maybe she wants to end mobile suit warfare herself?>>3949434Not one of those posts was gushing.
>>3949435I've been out of /a/ because I know currently there's only fujos and shitposters there, and whatever, /a/ being dogshit is common, but this shit here pisses me off>>3949436>WHAT DO YOU THINK OF *male character* HAVING THE PROTAGONIST ROLE/u/ IS ABOUT YURIIf you want to talk about GUEL there's that shit board filled with retards like you
>>3949441>Can we not talkIf it's about a single male character and his shitposting topic on /a/ "le main character" no, you can't talk.
>>3949445Try talking about male characters anywhere else in /u/
>>3949446Name another show on /u/ that has male characters that matter AND maintext Yuri where the sexuality of the two leads and their romance is not in any doubt because men exist.
>>3949448Mostly western shit and even they knew not to hog up the thread with male talk. Also, most yuri manga that includes men don't get talked about here either way. It attracts too much shitposting.
>>3949446Happens all the time. Just look at past Watamote threads and see how often Tomoki comes up. Sure, it's generally negative, but so was the OP that so offended you.
>>3949449Bro your TenTen?
>>3949453Damn people still remember Hayate x Blade?
>>3949451>>3949448Stop trying to defend yourself dude you're seeking discussion about dudes on the yuri board
>>3949457>one caresAnon agrees, >>3949435Fuck off
>>3949459>JUST LET ME TALK ABOUT GUEL ON THE YURI BOARD UEEEEEEEEEE
>>3949463Same thing happened with Shaddiq after episode 9. People here were wanking to his character just because "I've been in his shoes."
>>3949464>People here were wanking to his character just because "I've been in his shoes."No they were not. Most of us were laughing at how much of a cuck he is.
>>3949465You've must have ignored most of the discussion with people's misinterpretation of the too little, too late line. Lucky you.
>>3949466Yeah you're clearly conflating shitposters from /a/ as /u/'s opinion. There's a reason why the threads here are miles better. We are able to discuss all aspects of the plot without shitposters from /a/ because mods here are quick to get rid of them.
>>3949463>Are you going to do this when Grassley and Peil start interfering with SuleMio and the discussion turns towards them?No, unless someone says "oh what if shaddiq was the mc" while not talking about the girls, just fuck off.
>>3949467And then you compare that to the poor blighted wasteland that is /m/.
>>3949471
>>3949468No one said that about Guel though here? >>3949469Yeah, SuleMio broke /m/ and /a/
>>3949473UCfags are so buttblasted that Yuri Gundam is selling so well.
>>3949468Show one poster who's done that or shut the fuck up.
>>3949474I know its amazing.
>>3949475>>3949382>The recent /a/ threads going about Guel had me thinking: With the large amount of focus he gets compared to other characters who aren't Suletta and Miorine: Does it sometimes feel like he's there for the people who can't vibe with the two female MCs
>>3949478You completely misread that. Anon isn't saying "what if Guel was the MC". They're complaining about Sunrise making him too prominent to satisfy the fanboys.
>>3949479That is precisely what I meant. He's just there to appease fanboys who don't like that the two MCs are girls hence why they give him a bit more screentime than every other character except the two MCs.
>>3949465I like how he's depicted. He got those two eps about how he's a kid from a rough background with an unrequited love for Miorine. Then the next time we see him he's a full on loser snake and there hasn't been a single attempt to make him look good since, with all the Grassley sympathy going to Sabina.>>3949122>With Suletta absolutely covered in fluids, smiling like an idiot, and Miorine calling her a murdererThis is now canon.
>>3949483>they give him a bit more screentimeThey give his entire house more screentime than the more plot relevant houses, which is getting ridiculous when it's crunch time for the story.Chuchu had setup that has been seemingly abandoned. Felsi had a moment back in episodes 14 and 16 that still hasn't been expanded upon. Sabina and Nika get a single minute of focus despite it being a big plot point to address. Meanwhile they decide to give Lauda a large amount of focus this season even though it amounted to him warming the seat for his brother while twirling his hair. What's the fucking point?
>>3949487>What's the fucking point?Setting up the drama bomb for when Shaddiq or someone else publicly reveals Guel killed Vim and Miorine's whole house of cards collapses into infighting.
>>3949488No one knows Guel killed Vim aside from Olcott though. Unless Olcott talls Naji who tells Shaddiq the only way its being revealed is from Guel himself.
>>3949483>>3949487Is Guel even really that relevant? I never particularly noticed, I think the point is in fact Jeturk's place in the story.I believe the point of Guel's story is to be something separated of the main plot, it's like an OVA injected in the main story, a side show where he is the protagonist experiencing things far away from the academy because the protagonists of this story need an ally that is inside the system, the point was to bring the Jeturk as an allied force against the antagonists that will be Peil and Grassley. The whole journey he went was pretty much just to disconect him from everything.He became more relevant to the plot than some other characters only now, and that's because Miorine, a protagonist, put him in this place, literally. Guel keeps being thrown by the current of events from one place to another, and not by his own choice, he again had no choice but comply with Miorine to save his house, he has less agency than other side characters.
>>3949479>>3949483Doesn't fucking matter, this isn't the guelshit hate board, it's the yuri board, and you two aren't discussing the plot, you're discussing how you dislike something unrelated to yuri
>>3949493There's no fucking circumstances where you can talk about dudes, fuck off, go to /a/ you fucking ape.
Imagine going to the yuri boardProceeding to whine about /a/ shitposters talking about guelAnd then proceeding to act like you're right in any way
>>3949498Regarding Pharact; isn't that still under Gund-ARM? Assuming of course Mio isn't planning to dissolve the company since its purpose is fufilled now.
>>3949501I guess so, but it's not like Peill have ever honored their deal so they might try to steal it back. Then again, they don't have any pilots left either.
>>3949499Lost to the zone...
>>3949418Sabina legs could scissor in half Nika
>>3949502Weren't they supposed to already have at least El6n and El7n in the works?
>>39495055 is "missing," so they might bring 6 to Asticassia. Regarding the Pharact, we know Gund-Arm has it now, but its Permet related shit is locked down. Perhaps the hags will try to get it back now that their pilot is AWOL.
>>3949505I must have missed that.Which reminds me, do we actually know to what extent Eri was the one directing Aerial's bits? That is, did she use them completely autonomously or was she relaying Suletta's commands and tanking the datastorm? Because in ep 5, we see El4n raising the score, not getting hit yet retaining control of Aerial, which means Eli is in middlegirl mode there.
>>3949506Speaking of, it's funny how completely absent El0n is from the show after acting such a smug fuck during his first appearance. >>3949400>7500 yen >about 4 times more expensive than most 1/144 WfM kitsBlimey. Are figurines that expensive to produce compared to kits?
>>3949511>Blimey. Are figurines that expensive to produce compared to kits?I think it might be a matter of labor? Model kits they just mold the plastic, stick it in a box, and then the labor to actually construct and detail the toy is part of the experience, so it keep costs down to just materials and profit margin.Pre-made figures meanwhile, they have to factor in paying someone to actually put them together into the sales cost.
>>3949507I think Eri handles all the bits autonomously in close coordination with her little sister, or at least that's been the case since the Shaddiq duel. Before that, it may have been your latter situation where Eri needed Suletta to act first before the bits could do their thing, though the end of the El4n duel also puts that into question.
>>3949416>I like how Prospera never told Suletta about gay people, even though her plan hinged on her and Miorine getting engaged.Prospera always intended for Suletta to become the holder, but she didn't expect her & Miorine to actually fall in love.
>>3949511>Speaking of, it's funny how completely absent El0n is from the show after acting such a smug fuck during his first appearance.That's one thing that makes me skeptical about how the show will end. I know we have 7-8 episodes left, but I doubt that will be enough to resolve everything with Peil, including Proto-Elan.
>>3949521Yeah, her plan didn't include the girls falling love with each other, but she planned around it anyway. With Delling's coma Prospera had to use their love to further her plans.>>3949524Their shit is only tangentially related to the girls it can be "solved" by putting it in the backburner for later.
>>3949521She might have known about Suletta's fetish for legs. Eventually she would have to duel for those legs, one way or another.
>>3949521I wonder if the majority of the animes that Suletta watched featured white-haired aloof, tsundere rich girls.
>>3949514Yeah, labor. That's why personally I've ordered the Figure-rise SuleMio rather than the Figuarts, at least until (unless?) I can get work again. Maybe I'll get the wedding-dress Figuarts.
>>3949507One thing we don't know is the nature of Aerial's gund-bits. El5n sees them as Eri-bits. Suletta refers to them as ‘everyone’, but doesn't seem to consider them fully people as she does Aerial.It's too bad there's no good place left for speculah. This show has many unanswered questions.
>>3949521Suletta is clearly a total yurifag. You're just forgetting that she was raised entirely on anime. Aerial has been feeding her yuri anime for over a decade now, so she responded to the initial news that she was engaged with the traditional>B-but we're both girls!and started googling for aquariums as soon as she got out of jail.
>>3949532Based on El5n's hijack attempt, the bits are controlled by Eri's split personalities, or perhaps her just multithreading as needed. When the bits are all docked, Suletta doesn't refer to them as "everyone" but simply Aerial.
>>3949400The brand name AQUA SHOOTERS! is really cute so I considered getting it just for that but I couldn't justify it for the high price.
>>3949528Still think Miorine might lose them, now that we're getting into Gundam® Shit Happens™ mode. Foreshadowed by GUND-Arm's GUND-Legs and Prospera's Prospthetic.
>>3949542The ending lyrics and animation, along with the Norse references, imply eye damage.
>>3949545Like grandmother like granddaughter
>>3949534>the bits are controlled by Eri's split personalities, or perhaps her just multithreading as neededIt is probably this. Eri and Lfrith's AI were able to control the gund-bits in the same fashion in Prologue. The "other" Eris they see are her presence controlling the bits most likely.
>>3949545Speaking of Norse references… Lfriths.LF-03 was different before it (she?) became Eri's body. Different how? Does anything remain of that now that Eri left?
>>3949545And yet Suletta's the one whose proof-of-concept design artwork has her missing an eye...Eh, was probably just the designer having some fun, I'm sure it's nothing prophetic.
>>3949549>Does anything remain of that now that Eri leftApparently yes. Lfrith has the same ver 2.0 operation system as Thorn and Ur before it becomes Aerial, which switches it to ver ES. Right before Aerial shuts down in 17, the operating system switches back to ver 2.0, implying the original system has been restored and Eri has left.
>>3949548Aerial's bits are different. After being zapped by the antidote, Lfrith's bits did not reactivate on their own and had to be abandoned. Aerial's stayed active and ran away till they could reconnect with each other and Aerial. Suggesting both a more resistant structure and their own on-board AI instead of being commanded entirely from Aerial.
>>3949553She really is strapped to her mother's face now. Lewd.
>>3949549LF-01 –LF-03 implies three Lfriths were built, and LF-01 and LF-02 were regular Gundams. Are Ur and Thorn rebuilds of salvaged LF-01 and LF-03, or did someone somehow build exactly two new Lfriths?Either way, why are they named for the 2nd and 3rd Futhark, Ur ᚢ (‘aurochs’) and Thorn ᚦ (‘thorn!’) and not the 1st Fe ᚠ (‘wealth’) and 2nd? And incidentally (or not) the next after Thorn is As ᚨ — ‘a god’.
>>3949553I don't really buy that desu. The timing doesn't work out exactly, and I've seen others point out that we never actually see the ES label on Rebuild's displays anytime between 12 - 17. One post even thought they saw one of Rebuild's displays read 2.0 in that period instead (though the screencap they showed was super blurry and pixelated, but imo, it did look more like a 2.0 than an ES).So instead it could be the case that the Rebuild has always used the 2.0 OS, and that this switch could be part of the process of "Freeing" Eri, and may also account for the increased autonomy she's displayed throughout S2.
>>3949556>salvaged LF-01 and LF-02duh.
>>3949549Personally I'm of the mind that, rather than developing an AI, creating a framework that a human mind could sync to may have always been the goal with the Lfrith. Elnora was trying to be the sacrificial lamb for a proof of concept, thus her horror when Eri turned out to be the perfect match for it instead.Clearly she got over it.
>>3949553And speaking of displays… YOUR INTERNAL PMET SYSTEM IS LINKEDEri had an internal pmet system.
>>3949561>creating a framework that a human mind could sync to may have always been the goal with the LfrithI think that's true.
>>3949562lol yeah, nice little tidbit I wish I'd noticed sooner than just a couple days ago. Seems like nigh everyone in this setting has some sort of implants to interact with Permet tech, even a damn toddler. Really helps clear up exactly what GUND is and how it relates to Permet Links.
>>3949562Oh shit, that probably explains why Eri is always wearing that space suit and why Cardo Nabo hooked a cable to the back of it when she let Eri into Lfrith's cockpit. It's some type of Gund prosthetic. Elnora also runs a cable from her arm to the back Eri's suit when they're escaping Folkvangr with the awakened Lfrith
>>3949564And what Quiet Zero may mean.
>>3949564According to Cardo Nabo and Elnora, GUND tech is the only way for humans to adapt to the rigors of living in space. The strain makes their body deteriorate until they die. Lfrith 03/Aerial was proof of concept for safer GUND tech that the other two prototypes weren't equipped with.
>>3949564After all these years, they're still keeping the master's approach to exposition alive. And they say this isn't a proper Gundam show.
>>3949565The suit is the normal interface between your body and the GUND-MS. Unless you have a prosthetic something, you need to wear the suit for the sensors to feel you and to carry the emitters that transmit what the MS is feeling back to your body. Also pilot suits in this time have their own built in harness. The square lug in the backpack is the single point locking system to connect to suit to the linear seat even in non-Gund MS's. Gund suits just add a data cable to that assembly.
>>3949556>Are Ur and Thorn rebuilds of salvaged LF-01 and LF-03, or did someone somehow build exactly two new Lfriths?There were pre-production Lfriths going out to customers all over the solar system during the prologue with the implication that some would survive the purge. The Vanadis Heart manga has another one of those "missing" Lfriths.
>The secret of safely using a Gundam is just talking to it and treating it nicelyAll those dead people are gonna feel like dumbasses if it's really that simple
>>3949565Perhaps Eri never had a healthy functioning body in the first place.
I read a theory regarding the KV of everyone trying to reach something / Miorine. In the middle of that we have cool-San keychain and if you look closely it seems like it’s more the main objective. Specially if you focus on Shaddiq. I’m starting to believe that there’s something important hidden in cool-san. Or maybe I’m just coping.
>>3949572Normal gundams don't have minds
>>3949583Wing Zero disagrees, and she'd be good friends with Aerial
>>3949584Wing is so weird. There is this scene in which the Zandrok or whatever is spelled is going to self-destruct and it opens the cockpit so its pilot can escape. The thing even walks away on its own. This is never addressed or brought up ever again in the show.
>>3949590Weird shit like this happens a few times across Gundam. Rain says it has some kind of AI but it's implied Shining Gundam might be sentient and God/Burning Gundam fucking cries when Domon kills his brother.In IBO, Barbatos continues fighting after Mika dies and it has to be shot to pieces before it finally stops
>>3949590I figure it's due to Quatre's newtype magic and UNDERSTANDING Sandrock on a spiritual level. He's also the one who built Wing Zero while in his depression spiral, which also explains a few things with her.It was just kind of a mess in regards to its take on newtypes. Quatre and Lady Une were definitely newtypes, and Dorothy is implied to be one two with her weird rivalry with Quatre at the end. Wufei is a Chinese cultivator, which is basically a newtype since he sensed Lady Une's newtype magic a few times. It's just never properly addressed during all the crazy shit going on at that point in the show.
>>3949400I wanted these so bad, but didn't see them until pre-orders pretty much stopped everywhere.
>>3949595Oh yeah, that too. Lady Une, Quattre and Dorothy all did weird shit that never is properly addressed. Wing was more interested in being melodramatic and never really cared how it got there. Like the contrived way Zechs and Heero exchange machines.
>>3949578It's certainly got some foreshadowing (like Sabina following Shaddiq but looking at Nika), but I don't really like that theory. For one, the fact that those three are reaching for it implies Suletta's going to lose it, which would make Miorine's plan kind of farcical.>>3949587I hope wearing cute matching costumes will be one of Suletta's conditions for getting back together.
>>3949578Something like that did happen in Princess Principal. After her "betrayal," Charlotte left Ange some mementos in her bag and a message on a parachute revealing the truth of her feelings.What would Miorine even leave? An apology? A recording of Prospera admitting her plans? The results of the Front Management Group's investigation into Shin Sei?
>>3949600>An apology?Defeats the purpose of dumping her in the most painful way possible, makes Suletta come running back.>A recording of Prospera admitting her plans?Prospera seems too smart to get accidentally recorded. If Miorine had something this incriminating, she could have just shared it with Suletta without breaking her heart.>The results of the Front Management Group's investigation into Shin Sei?This seems most promising, giving Suletta an in on finding out who Prospera and she herself really are and letting her decide what she does with the information. But, why would Shaddiq and Guel care?
>>3949545>>3949549Is there anything anywhere going into detail about the Norse references? Honestly I only come here to read up on the show and maybe sometimes catch a stray tweet or two and the Norse stuff is something I've seen mentioned here so I'd like to read more on it
>>3949601>But, why would Shaddiq and Guel care?That's a really good question. Who in-universe cares that Prospera is Elnora Samaya and what could they even do with it since Aerial is known to be a Gundam now? Delling already knows and Vim is dead. It wouldn't mean anything to Suletta which leaves what, Old Man Grassley and the biddies who run Peil?
>>3949605>It wouldn't mean anything to SulettaNot as such, but it might make her ask questions about Prospera's motivations and her own origins. For instance, it's pretty suspicious that Elnora had a daughter Suletta's never heard of and a husband who looks like her but died eight years before she was born.>>3949603https://adracat.tumblr.com/post/715141015567204352/g-witch-and-norse-mythologyThis explains at least some of them, though it's missing at least the Gundvölva. They (without the gund- prefix) were Germanic seeresses who received visions from the gods under trance.
>>3949615>died eight years before she was bornMore like five.
I know AniTrenz name is shit around here because they slighted SulliMio in the best couple poll. Revenge appears to in the works because somehow in the poll for Best Female Character in a Anime this season- Aerial has been nominated.
>>3949454On another note, seems like the Hayate x Blade creator is enjoying the show.
>>3949640I mean, she's not wrong.
>>3949640Speaking of breeding, how many kids does Suletta put into Miorine before they've got a big enough family? How annoyed are the corpo underlings about their president being constantly pregnant for years which has quite the influence on the overall group between hormonal mood swings and maternity leave damn near every year for however long it goes?
>>3949418source for this?
>>3949642>into Miorine>the no-stamina 4'11'' princessIf Tanuki wants science babies she's gonna need to carry them herself
>>3949646Please learn how to reverse image search.https://twitter.com/maybeCrosswise/status/1658385703020158976
>>3949650Miorine is the bride and has more than earned herself the duty of continuing the bloodline with the shit she just pulled.
>>3949654They will both have gundbabies together.
>>3949660I disagree on the ground that Miorine being the broodmare is more entertaining.
can someone recommend me fanfics?
>Get GWitch DLC for Battle Alliance>Get equippable Mio Tomato that massively boosts sharpshooters>Get Gundarm item that gives tons of cashMio delivering all the goods and she's not even in the game
>>3949664It's cute that they can't have Suletta without some Miorine mentions.
>>3949670I saw a video that had all the unique interactions for Suletta and counted about half a dozen references to Miorine and their relationship. Pretty entertaining overall.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiIUkftKWQU
>>3949650At this point Mio literally owes Suletta children so nah Mio can be the mama. It's the least she can do.
>>3949663I have yet to find a fic that wasn't trash, but I'd love to be proven wrong
>>3949620Oh yeah, for some reason I thought Eri was born the same year as the Vanadis incident, but obviously not.>>3949642I kinda hope Miorine and Suletta don't end the show as part of the Spacian upper class. Anyway, two is good.>>3949663I liked this SabiNika fic: https://archiveofourown.org/works/47161099I don't buy Sabina as the type who'd fall for someone at first glance, but it's a good take on how she might feel as an undercover Earthian at a place where people like Nika face discrimination.>>3949673>Friendliest interactions with Haman, Char and MaridaSuletta confirmed for a Zeon sympathizer?
>>3949663It's a shame that for a pairing that's popular and that constantly gets great art, the fanfics are not only scarce but shit...
>>3949681>I kinda hope Miorine and Suletta don't end the show as part of the Spacian upper class. Anyway, two is good.I'm not so sure there's too much of a choice. As either they're bailing on everything and hoping whoever takes over can keep shit together or whatshisface succeeds in his plot and the galaxy is in a much worse position because shit is going to end in a huge fucking war and now what he thinks his plot will achieve by selling the corporation to Earth.Also I find it entertaining to think about a bunch of corpo fat cats having to be polite to their boss' bumpkin of a groom.>>3949681>Suletta confirmed for a Zeon sympathizer?I blame Char on the fact that Prospera is a Char clone.
>>3949663I enjoyed this one.https://archiveofourown.org/works/45062674?view_adult=true
>>3949650Yeah because of the size difference, Miorine will carry one and have a very uncomfortable pregnancy. Suletta would have at least two, maybe three given her size and her 'stamina monster' status. However I would not be surprised if Miorine had the first child from the pair.
https://twitter.com/ShaTheArtistY/status/1658440770775384064Posting this only because of the Nightmare of Nunnally namedrop.
>>3949685>I'm not so sure there's too much of a choiceShaddiq winning would be a good sequel hook, though.>bunch of corpo fat cats having to be polite to their boss' bumpkin of a groom.I can't see Suletta happy living such a life, and probably not Miorine either. The more comfortable she became being CEO, the more she turned into Delling. Both their initial dreams involve small-scale, ordinary lives.That, and the Benerit Group isn't just any old megacorp. They're weapons manufacturers straight out of Ike's worst nightmares. Trying to redirect it into something less evil from the inside would just get Miorine booted by the shareholders at best and assassinated at worst.>>3949521>she didn't expect her & Miorine to actually fall in love.She seems to have counted on some kind of a strong emotional bond forming between them, since Suletta had to want to fight for Miorine. Also, back in episode two her plan would have failed catastrophically if Miorine hadn't been decent enough to return and help Suletta.
>>3949699>Shaddiq winning would be a good sequel hook, though.Probably.>>3949699>I can't see Suletta happy living such a life, and probably not Miorine either. The more comfortable she became being CEO, the more she turned into Delling. Both their initial dreams involve small-scale, ordinary lives.Maybe, maybe not. It's still an amusing image regardless.>>3949699>That, and the Benerit Group isn't just any old megacorp. They're weapons manufacturers straight out of Ike's worst nightmares. Trying to redirect it into something less evil from the inside would just get Miorine booted by the shareholders at best and assassinated at worst.You forget that they've got Guel on their side at minimum. If he turns his family's company around then at minimum there is one of the big three that's actually kinda loyal. Plus I don't think there's anyone beyond the big three that can actually pull off an assassination if the attempts we've seen executed and discussed imply quite a bit about what is expected to be necessary to kill the president of the Benerit group. Given how Guel's dad travelled, I suspect that Miorine would be traveling with Suletta geared up to play defense using Aerial in an ideal future of theirs. Which means anything large scale trying to kill Miorine is facing some rather daunting opposition.Anyways, bit of purging like I expect to sorta happen as collateral in the coming episodes will cut down on the more ambitious/capable and that'll be a bigger problem than a shift to being less evil will be for the shareholders. As dead bigwigs is bad for your stock value. Plus Gundam tech becoming more legal to research and sell would be a very good incentive to keep the corpos cooperative. As even if full gundams aren't allowed to be researched, going beyond the medical and space survival stuff is bound to be a very lucrative market. Military cybernetics and power armor are the least of the possibilities that'll sell like hotcakes.
>>3949685>>Suletta confirmed for a Zeon sympathizer?>I blame Char on the fact that Prospera is a Char clone.UC Suletta would support the Spacenoid cause, between her upbringing and class consciousness. She's too passive and without a firm ideogical backbone to go around Sieg Zeoning and dropping colonies, but on the other hand, that exactly is something to be taken advantage of. She wouldn't follow the more mask off fashy zeels, but an idealist like Char would easily redpill her.
>>3949710I mean Suletta alone would probably be like that but a full cast implantation would mean Suletta still has mother dearest around and thus ends up wherever the fuck Prospera wants her.
>>3949710I think AEUG is more her speed, being basically the social democrat version of Zeonism. Though if Char got to her at the right time, I could easily see her turning to another Quess.Also, the official site posted a new character sheet and it's got an interesting detail. It's from an official source so I guess it's not really a spoiler, but I'll hide it anyway and hope others will do so too.We now know who gets to prototype Gund-Arm's products.The L streak continues: https://en.gundam.info/about-gundam/series-pages/witch/character/3/
>>3949714Bobfags in shambles. Though by the way his jacket sticks out on that side from behind, he could have just put it on the hip under the jacket.
Letting the adults work it out.
>>3949714>I could easily see her turning to another QuessWhich could be expanded to analyzing Prospera as a Char clone: she isn't Char the rival, but Char the malevolent mentor.
>>3949400Well, I WOULD have if I'd known about them before preorders sold out. I guess I'm lucky I still have the figurise models but I don't feel comfortable assembling them until I have a space cleared to sit them comfortably (and somewhere they're less likely to collect cat hair).
>>3949699Kinda legit want this career ending more for these two than tomato farmers. Even if it was part of momma's keikaku, Suletta being a first responder seems like a good fit for her. Miorine seems like, with a little tweak in her studies, could grow to be a real no-nonsense medical doctor.
>>3949566It'll be a wild twist if it turns out Miorine's mom was actually somekind off technofascist that wanted to enslave humanity. Miorine's admiration for her would be as misplaced as Suletta's. (Suletta just autocorrected "shield", now I'm sad again)
>>3949596Yo nee-san, I was able to find some available for pre-order on nin-nin-game, a couple options down on the google results. Use your best judgement, but I just ordered mine, for better or worse.
>>3949673The best ones are Garrod and Alleluia, because both know exactly how bad Suletta has it for Miorine, they've been there. And it's cute to see Suletta get flustered when confronted on her feelings so directly.
>>3949739>Miorine's admiration for her would be as misplaced as Suletta'sProspera never convinced Nadim to do massacres or turn humanity into tomatoes.
>>3949663The writer has other SuleMio works, but this one is my favorite.https://archiveofourown.org/works/42564849This is from another writerhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/45339082I just outed myself as a Miofag
>>3949673My favorite are with Sahaku and Gingham>N-no! War is not okay!And then hitting Sahaku with that Gundarm marketing
Miorine didnt trust prospera on what was quiet zero, she went ask to his dad right hand about it, but when prospera says delling killed her family/friends , miorine believes immediataly without a question.
>>3949728Should be Bel on the couch.
>>3949840Her dad's rise to glory is heavily based on that event. Why would she doubt it?
>>3949840It's simply a narrative cohesion thing. We as the audience don't know what Quiet Zero is, so further exposition is welcomed. But we also know how the Vanadis massacre went down, so for the sake of time and not retreading old info they don't need to show Mio questioning it.
>>3949840She knows her dad, I guess.
>>3949840Miorine herself already looked as far into the Vanadis Incident as she could and knows some shit likely went down. There being a massacre is a reasonable assumption considering the following cover-up and how hard she had to hunt for any information on Dr. Cardo.
>>3949714Seriously though, why does he get everything??? Even looking at the character sheet on this website, his is by far the page with the most content by a mile. He even gets the 'mid-season' appearance change that I wanted so much for either of the girls.
>>3947654Sulemio happy end!
>>3949863They're angling Jeturk as the 'good' house that allies with the earth house against grassley and peil, so it makes sense there'd be emphasis. I'm sure there's a midseason transformation for Mio and Suletta, they're just being more secretive with them for obvious reasons.
I wish they didn't have the break here. I'm starting to come around to thinking Miorine doesn't deserve to get Suletta back.
>>3949817This was good, really good
>>3949863>He even gets the 'mid-season' appearance change that I wanted so much for either of the girls.Please no. If either of the girls gets a haircut I'm gonna fucking riot.
>>3949867I think Suletta never really deserved Miorine in the first place so it all evens out in the end.
>>3949869she looks like a total fuckboy desu
>>3949866If fan speculation/guesses are true about Suletta losing an arm, and/or Miorine losing an eye: That's WAY more spoilery than just Guel getting a haircut.
>>3949714I'm not following what the character sheets are implying, may I ask for context?
>>3949870Maybe they like each other for being a " newtype" some shit like that. I think Suletta likes her cuz she is smart, and miorine likes her cu she is badass pilot so , dunno
>>3949878It looks like he's missing an arm on his most recent sheet.
>>3949376I think the normal school life is over but it would be fun to see her fans shout in unison "kyaaaa sabina sama has a girlfriend" I wonder if they'll still be her fans after finding out that she's an Earthian. We really need sabiNika to interact again.I read that in the VK Sabina is looking at Nika, that has to be a good sign. Really I love how many yuri artists seem totally love them even if it's only 50 seconds of canon evidence.
>>3949879I think on this we don't really agree. I can get why they fell for each other.
>>3949869>>3949871Miomio looks like she's about to drop a k-pop track.
>>3949863>why does he get everythingnee-chan, he very much lost something there
>>3949895Oh yeah, having a person who protects you while also needing your protection is very appealing. Plus, Suletta's a cute girl who likes cool girls, while Miorine's the opposite.
>>3949867>>3949870It doesn't matter if they deserve each other, what matters is that they love each other & are willing to go to any lengths for each other.
>>3949925Now compare that page with Suletta's profile. Better to lose an arm than to get no development.
>>3949929Oh come off it. Just because Suletta didn't go through any major design changes doesn't mean she didn't get any development.
Will grassley use Nika to get heartbroken Suletta?
The ED already foreshadowed Suletta losing her mother's hairband. Her hairband represents her mother's control over her & losing it would mean she's gain agency in her life & broken free of being her mother's puppet.
>>3949931Part of me wonders if Shaddiq might end up recruiting Suletta and she'll end up piloting the Gundam Ur.
>>3949933She has no reason to join him, Suletta doesn't have a single bad bone in her body, being heartbroken isn't enough to just flat out turn evil.
>>3949933Suletta would never become Miorine's enemy. Besides, Shaddiq just recruited another Gundam pilot last episode. He'll have to do something to earn his keep.
>>3949936Shaddiq is a master manipulator, or at least is supposed to be. If Suletta is isolated and emotionally vulnerable, then why wouldn't he leap at the chance to use her as a bargaining chip in his struggle with Miorine to be CEO of the Benerit Group? And if he offers to let her have Aerial back, why wouldn't she take his offer? Suletta doesn't have a signle bad bone in her body, so she would trust Shaddiq, at least initially. Suletta's got to have a part to play in the Benerit Group election, and the only real way for that to happen is if she ends up as Mio's enemy, at least briefly.
>>3949936Why is everyone so convinced that Grassley is evil and Miorine and Jetruk's plans are good? Mio is working for Prospera who has something sinister in mind that we don't know what it is. I don't think it's as simple as Dof and Grassley being evil when Miorine's dad murdered a bunch of people, including Eri's family, and his politics are the reason Dof and the current Grassley exist in the first place. Oh, and the reason Dr. Carbonabo's Gundams were eliminated.
>>3949940It's more likely she'll jump in some shit suit to go rescue Miorine from an assassination attempt, despite being dumped so cruelly. Miorine's reaction will betray the fact that she truly loves her and Suletta gains the motivation to find out what happened.
>>3949941None are good. Why do you think Grassley are doing something good? Breaking the Group and giving its assets to Earth is not a good thing, what it will do is create a gigantic war. This is the reason why Sarius smirks after hearing what Shaddiq wants. He's being an idealistic idiot and is so far up his own ass too see it.
>>3949931>Suletta learns Grassley has Nika>She stages a violent rescue, feeling like she has nothing to lose>Princess carries Nika away>Sabina and Shaddiq form the "got cucked by the tanuki" club, and renew their bonds of friendship
>>3949944Nah, giving weapons to victims of imperialism so they can defend themselves is good. There's already constant warfare on Earth. It's time to point the beam weapons at the right target.
>>3949941Shaddiq is incredibly villain coded at this point even without considering his shady backroom deals with Peil. Yeah there's moral ambiguity, but when it comes to the story about Suletta and Miorine the antagonizing side is obvious. This isn't ruling out a Prospera backstab of course, there's enemies on all sides.
>>3949930This late in the show, compared to other characters? Yes. She has no sense of self and is massively codependent, but it's looking like that will change in further episodes. Thankfully.
>>3949940Suletta is not someone who can easily be manipulated, the only reason she does whatever Prospera says is because she was taught since she was young that her mother is always right & things always work out for her when she does listen to her, but her love for Miorine is stronger than her faith in her mother & even then her faith in Prospera is starting to crack.
>>3949940>>3949941>>3949947There is evil on all sides, I think it's obvious that the Benerit group will be destroyed before the show is over.
I know it probably won't happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if next episode Suletta already realized that Miorine was lying and she's more upset that Mio won't trust her to tell her what's going on.
>>3949952Maybe not NEXT episode, but I could see that happening very easily. Either that or one of the Earth House people sees through Miorine's obvious lie and tells Suletta. Would be nice if it was Chuchu since we just got that setup of her actually liking Miorine now.
>>3949944 That anon wrote that Suletta wouldn't join them because she doesn't have a single bad bone? I don't believe it. Nika is a very smart good girl and she ended up involved with them. Olcott let Guel go and is a good man who deserted Dominicus. Sabina seems like a much better person than Vim, Delling, Peil hags, even Petra, Lauda and Felsi who are racist spacians and better than Norea and Sophie. I can see how they sided with Earth when they had to make a decision. Somehow Nika and Sabina's conversation revealed that ideals are not enough in that universe and I can see that Dof and Grassley are more than just Muh Shaddid keikaku and his one-sided love for Miomio (which really pisses Sabina off probably because It has nothing to do with the plan).I thought the Gundam series did that, not really have good and bad sides but something more elaborate. I'm wrong?
>>3949955INDIVIDUALS have complex motives and aren't really good/bad more often than not, but original UC still had some pretty clear-cut sides. 079's Federation was kinda shitty and corrupt and was mistreating the colonies but Zeon straight up genocided the civilian populations of some colonies specifically to huck them at the earth and kill off half the population of the planet. Granted, that's because the Feds' attempts to destroy it set it off course (that's more of a fuckup than deliberate action, they obviously weren't trying to literally fuck up the planet), but even if the colony had landed where it was intended it'd have been a near-extinction event for all the shit it'd kick up into the atmosphere. Gassing those colonies shouldn't be overlooked either way. Zeon is blatantly and clearly in the very wrong - fuck they're based on nazis for god's sake. Just because some of the officers and soldiers have honor and likely don't know some of those details, it's still pretty clear they're on the wrong side.
>>3949955No. The original Gundam, clearly portrayed Zeon as evil. What it did was portraying the soldiers as people. 40 years of Zeon wank won't change the fact that Zeon killed way more Spacenoids than Earth Federation ever did. People being complex and having different motivations for what they do is Gundam's schtick (you see this with Prospera on WFM). The Beneritt Group is a bad thing, so is the status quo. Breaking it and arming Earth to the teeth won't solve the actual issues and just escalate small conflicts into a full blown war. Shaddiq's plan means that everyone loses and he is too entrenched on his own motivations and goals to see it. Quiet Zero is also a bad thing too, something that could erase conflict means it can control either people or weapons, who is going to control that? With what purpose? So it's also no good. The show hasn't shown an actual path to improve things, though.
>>3949947This is the story of the Gundam and the technology that created them too.. and the corporation and the other characters... In a way it is also the story of the extermination of the technological hope that would allow humans to live better in outer space. It's definitely yuri but it's also Gundam and its classic themes. And Suletta has already been manipulated by the char clone why wouldn't she be manipulated by Shaddid? Isn't Prospera "coded as a villain" too? Didn't Suletta kill a guy already? she's a killer too as all the Grassley's Girls probably are.
>>3949959Suletta was manipulated by her mother because she was groomed to & even then her faith in her mother is starting to shake. Why would she allow herself to be manipulated by someone who has no relationship or attachment to.
Suletta's blind obedience to Prospera is very clearly a carefully constructed masterpiece of psychology if not outright built into her probably clone self. So just because Prospera can manipulate her, doesn't mean others can.However, Suletta's pretty much at rock bottom right now.Any manipulator worth their salt should be able to get Suletta on board if they care to snatch her up. Assuming she's actually functional enough to listen to anyone trying to talk to her. Which she very much might not be. For I can see her very easily shutting down completely and being on basically suicide watch by what friends she's got left. Not that she's likely in any headspace to believe she's got any.
>>3949960I suppose that the reviews of the series that I read before watching G-witch were very optimistic regarding the social criticism of the use of war machines and that there are no completely good or completely bad sides, that was my impression.
>>3949961Suletta's love for Miorine is strong enough that she'll continue having faith in her next episode.
>>3949962Oh the 'gundam is about the horrors of war and not cool robot fights' is just pure wankery. They try to include that in their messaging and it's ultimately the thesis, but it's insincere as hell alongside the flashy fights and toys.
>>3949963This is what I think, too. I just don't see her giving up on Miorine or believing the things she said to her in episode 17 were true. Though I don't expect her to be in good spirits after that.
>>3949962The "both sides" narrative is bullshit anyway. Conflicts are business affairs. Ideologies and the like are for idiots and historians. Money and power have always being the only motives behind war.
>>3949960Because there is something about Suletta that is strange independent of Prospera. Her psychosocial development seems altered and the way some say there isn't a bad bone in her when she killed that guy?! There are opinions about her that baffle me: somehow she is not responsible for that death and what it implies (having some bad bones) because Prospera's manipulation and the circumstances of Saving Miomio justify it but if there is no such responsibility she could not even be considered an adult human. Which gives the theory that she is Lfrith an interesting perspective because Delling's speech implied that a human being should be responsible for the death of another human being and live with that sin, not a machine.
>>3949863>He even gets the 'mid-season' appearance change that I wanted so much for either of the girls.Y'ever hear the phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?Or, "don't mess with perfection"?Suletta with her hair loose is all that is needed.
>>3949952>>3949953Seems as likely a route as any for the "ray of hope" to deliver us from the angst. I'm expecting such a moment to happen either at the end or the mid-point of 18, depending how its paced and how long they want us to wallow in misery.Kinda hope they go mid-point, feel like I've done enough wallowing in the course of 2 full weeks.
I know it's only a vocal minority on /a/ saying it, but I hate that the ramblings of some radical Guel fans have made me worry that there is a very, very, small chance of Suletta getting the "Shinn Asuka" treatment in terms of getting shafted as the MC.
>>3949971The thing you have to realize about that is that A) Destiny was a complete dumpster fire, which is popularly considered to have been strongly influenced by the real-life drama of its production staff. B) Shinn getting shafted was only able to happen in the first place because Destiny was a sequel so it technically already had an established protagonist to default back to.
I honestly think that Shaddid doesn't care about Suletta without Aerial and without Miorine, but Suletta sure does care a lot about Nika. So my conclusion is that if she gets close to them in any way it's to help Nika. I really want them to meet again, she is her first friend, but I also want Nika to spend more time with Sabina sama... This is my only dilemma!
>>3949974We need Nika back because she's the no 1 SuleMio shipper.
>>3949973Is it true though that in Japan, Shinn was hugely hated and that Kira was hugely loved, hence the change? Like they hated Shinn SO much they didn't even bother waiting for his development, along with fans screaming for Kira back.
>>3949971You gotta stop letting shitposters get to you. Guel will never be the MC no matter how much they scream about it. This is a SuleMio story.
>>3949974See, the thing that boggles my brain is that with Shaddiq has no reason to reach out to Suletta beyond being a petty bitch, and between Earth House and Miorine there's no way they'd let him get anywhere close anyway. So the only option for them even becoming aware of Nika's whereabouts is Jun's investigation, which is being reported back to Miorine. But after her rejection of Suletta, I get the feeling everyone at Earth House is gonna hate her guts and reject her in kind, which would make her relaying her findings to them difficult. So either Miorine's playing some 5D chess to get everything aligned just right despite seeming in an absolutely awful position, or Elan 5 just goes scorched earth so he can try and get away in the chaos of airing everyone's dirty laundry.
>>3949977See, normally I'd say that "production doesn't work like that, they'd have been planning to ditch Shinn, make Kira the hero, and screw over Cagalli /long/ before any of it actually happened" but like, everything about Destiny is such trash I'd legitimately believe anything.
>>3949977That sounds like a lot of malarkey because the show couldn't have been changed that drastically because of that especially back then. Regardless they did Shinn so fucking dirty especially after all the years of him getting much better treatment in other media like SRW has made me like him quite a bit.
Next episode is likely a SuleMio angst episode.
>>3949983So business as usual?
>>3949983>Their Empty Selves...gee, what was your first clue?
>>3949967Killing a terrorist that was about to make Swiss cheese out of someone she loves and her father was not a morally bad action.
>>3949976Yeah! but she can win a hot girlfriend too. She should reconsider joining the terrorist team so she can see this more often. Do you see why it is a dilemma?
>>3949986I don't know why people keep going back to this even though Miorine herself tells you that Sulleta killing the guy was shocking, but not actually wrong.
>>3949988Because they think all murder is bad, even though the show spells it out for them that everyone and their mom (literally) saw that action as justifiable, and the problem was not with the killing, but with Suletta's reaction to it.
>>3949988That's relative, from the point of view of Prospera, Mio and Suletta it's justified. But that's the way war is: if I do it, I can justify it; if the other does it, there must be something wrong with the enemy. That is why it is morality (good or bad according to the criteria of another authority) not ethical (right or wrong, one criteria for oneself) Responsibility for intentions in the first case, responsibility for consequences in the second.
>>3949987jesus that casual clothes pic
>>3949987God, no wonder she has so many fangirls. I want to see Sabina with her braid down in the show.
>>3949978Yes, I mean, as a character Suletta is even more popular anyway, just check on pixiv, followed by Mio and Sulemio having more than all males combined. They are the most popular part of G Witch, that’s real. Some people are just loud.
>>3949994It doesn't matter. Narratively speaking, the only "authority" that matters here, she made the right call. End of the discussion.
>>3949987>Suletta: Will save her from Norea and princess carry herSabina: Will watch her get beaten up but patch her up tenderlyidk, Suletta could win that one if Nika is willing to shoot her shot.
>>3949998The story has been set in stone since the beginning, it doesn't matter what shitposters do.
>>3949994You're not asked to look at it from the other side's point of view. What the other terrorists think of that terrorist's death doesn't matter. Suletta came there not with the intention to kill somebody, but to save Miorine. She splattered the guy only after he'd started raising his weapon to kill Delling. Narratively that scene gives no reason to think she has any bad bones in her, because her goal wasn't to cause harm but to protect. She is responsible for that death in the most literal sense because she'd caused it, but that doesn't make her actions evil. Also, she is, in fact, not an adult human.
>>3949999Miorine, everyone and her mom are the authorities that can tell Suletta that her actions are right or wrong? Clearly Suletta doesn't have any criteria of her own and Miomio was disappointed by that.
>>3950003>What the other terrorists think of that terrorist's death doesn't matter.
>>3950005Maybe she'd still be alive if she didn't seethe so much.
>>3950003That's why I wrote what was the difference between morality and ethics. Morally you can justify many things because you only have to talk about intentions. (and almost everyone will say that they always have good intentions and that the other is wrong) not consequences and feeling guilty. I said that she was not an adult based on the following criteria: An adult is someone who makes use of their own reason and who assumes the consequences of their actions and is responsible for it. I have taken it from kant (what is illustration). And I said that she is not human because I think that Lfrith but I may be wrong with this.
>>3950009She's not an adult based on the following criteria: she's a teenager.
>>3950004Prospera and Miorine's conversations are a window into what the writers are trying to say, which is why anon says "narratively speaking". It doesn't mean that Prospera and Mio are the only ones allowed to judge Suletta. If Nika popped in to say "Actually killing to defend your loved ones is still bad" and was taken seriously then the idea that Suletta is bad for killing that man would be worth examining, but for now its not really a thought that the show will entertain.
