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Jrpg or wrpg?
Which games have better combat?
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JRPG, let's be real here. I'd take cookie cutter turn based combat over some floaty aborted attempt at action combat
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Wrpgs. The only good jrpg is dark souls and that is only because it is based of Wrpgs.
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>>390039543
Depends on the game
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>>390039712
Dark Souls isn't a JRPG, it's the 3D equivalent of games like Ghosts 'n Goblins.
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>>390039927
It was developed in Tokyo anon. It is a Japanese role playing game.
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Depends on what I'm looking to play because these two genres ares so split apart from each other they're barely comparable.
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>>390039543
I enjoy combat in western cRPGs more, but generally what >>390039852 said.
Also, comparing incredibly diverse genre based only on country of origin is retarded. At least narrow category a bit more.
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>>390040202
Speaking solely from a genre perspective it's a WRPG.
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Games like Grandia and even Valkyrie Profile make turn based combat a lot more interesting than just blending bad action gameplay with levels and stats. The JRPG equivalent of that shitty combat would be some real time ones like .hack and Radiata Stories.
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Either can be good, most are horrible regardless.
Bravely Default isn't bad because its gameplay is uninspired, it's bad because the writing and graphics are nonsense and fuck ugly, respectively.
The Witcher 3 isn't because the gameplay is as basic as watered down as every other Action-Adventure title, it's bad because the writing for the majority of the game is a literary trainwreck. Oh and downgradegate.

There are bigger things at stake for "RPGs" than combat, or at least there should be. The problem is that lazy developers emphasize combat above all else, and then fail to even fucking deliver engaging combat. Hell, I'd be grateful if Action-Adventure games could even bother to have decent combat.
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I don't mind turn based combat, as long as movement matters (think XCOM). Turn based combat where you just have 4 dudes in a line looking at another line of 4 dudes taking turns swinging at eachother is incredibly fucking boring.
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>>390040639

If made in Japan = jRPG

If made in the West = wRPG
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>>390040770
If a Western company made a game with identical gameplay to Dragon Quest it'd be a wRPG?
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>>390039543
Turn based still remains to this day as the best combat system.

Modern W"RPG"s are a joke.
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>>390040872
Yes. You are right it is based off Wrpgs but it is not a Wrpg.
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>>390040872
It would be a weeaboo RPG.
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>>390040923
Stop posting this ugly bitch
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Grandia 2 is one of my favorite JRPGs and does turn based battles well.
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>>390040872
>If a western company made a western role playing game, would it be a western role playing game?
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>>390040872

Yes, because it was made in the west.
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>>390040723
>witcher 3
>bad
fucking weebs
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>>390040997
Nope.
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>>390040958
All Japanese games are weeb games if you are not Japanese
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Why aren't more Western RPGs turn based?
Tabletop D&D pretty much invented turn based RPGs but all of its western derivatives are real-time.

I like both western and eastern games but I'd like to see more turn based from the west. Japan actually has a good mix of both styles.
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>>390041108
I said stop
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>>390039543
JRPG. There's no such thing as good WRPG.
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I can't for the life of me remember the name of the fucking thing but it's from the makers of Gothic.
It's released next moth as a matter of fact and combines guns and technology with swords and sorcery from different timelines.
It looks to be shaping into a hot mess but if any of you know the one, laugh at it with me. Also wonder how it'll play.
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>>390041149
remember when weeaboo didn't have a connotation warped by autism
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>>390041169
RTwP is meant to simulate DnD
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>>390039543
Western RPG's
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>>390039662
This. Also, when the do action combat (Soulsborne, Kingdom Hearts) they do it much better than the west.
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>>390041149
Japanese games can't be weeb. Period. Sudeki is a weeb game. Undertale is a weeb game. Japanese games are not. Now go kys.
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>>390041236
Not really, it's been misused for years
>>390041215
Sounds like a bastardized Arcanum
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>>390041027
>>390039712
>>390040202
>>390040770
>>390040943
>>390041040
You people are fucking morons.
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>>390039543
Turn based combat even when shit at least tries to pretend it's its own genre of combat.

Action rpgs instead don't even try that and are plain "lol we're too lazy to make an actual action game so here's this shit game where you waggle your weapons till the enemy dies"
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>>390041175
DON't FUCKING CAST AG-
*Smirks
*Minotaur teleports behind your back
*Get's wiped out.

You fucking cunt.
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>>390039543
america is trash with mechanics
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>>390041413
I'll end it thus
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>>390041298
Found the name, Elex.
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>>390041236
That was before anime.
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>>390040923
>Modern W"RPG"s are a joke.
True for AAA titles, but luckily so-called RPG Renaissance happened.
IIRC most of more or less decent modern JRPGs aren't AAA either.
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>>390041023
This, it's amazing that system hasn't been copied, it's so much fucking fun. Grandia as a series is super dead so that system is ripe for the picking too. Just make some of the pre-rendered animations shorter or skippable and you've got a picture perfect JRPG battle system. Shame the game was so easy even on its hard mode, I would really liked to have grit my teeth trying to beat a genuinely hard boss in that battle system
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>>390041543
Persona 5 and probably DQ XI are AAA and are some of the best JRPGs of the decade.
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>>390040923
>Modern W"RPG
Divinity OS combat is better than anything in your weeb vagina eyes games.
Fucking smt4a fans, truly the cancer of the rpg genre
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>>390040923
>nothing on lewds
>>390041023
Never played the series, how does it work?
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>>390041631
#fe combat>persona 5 combat
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>>390041478
Enjoy fucking Jonathan's ass in the axiom for eternity you antifa cunt.
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>>390041543
The only AAA JRPGs are FF and maybe DQ, so the genre doesn't really have AAA problem. And I'm really glad that JRPGs are niche enough and we're getting plenty of great diverse games that don't try to appeal to normalfags.
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But that's a fallacy.
Take a look at Darkest Dungeon, for instance.
Western visuals with jrpg combat, the best of both worlds.
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>>390041247
That's because western devs are too occupied with cinematic presentation that they forget to make the design fair and readable. In western action games I have no idea what the fuck is up with the hit/hurtboxes and then the game drops a dozen enemies on you and they all chain AOEs that your evading move doesn't have enough distance or i-frames for.
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>>390041692
>Attack
>Go take a shit
>Make a sandwich
>Come back
>Fags are still dancing, singing and shit
>Better than Persona 5

Kek
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>>390041413
*xylophone mashed violently in the background"
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>jrpg combat
>wrpg combat
Well, not gonna say i'm surprised /v/ doesn't know shit about video games but this is a whole new level of being retarded.
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>>390041746
Personally, I enjoy dungeon crawlers and action combat.
Where a game comes from matter not at all, what's important is that it's fun.

That said, why is this even a debate in the first place, both have their place and act like different genres anyway.
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>>390041734
>that don't try to appeal to normalfags.
No instead they appeal to otaku
Shit like every game released by Compile Heart or games we'll never get hear like Omega Labyrinth. MeiQ, the hordes of DRPG that have come out in recent years.

And how any serious game gets fucked by either being outclassed by a Mobage or turning into a damn Mobage.
Matsuno story and design, Yoshida artwork, Platinum programming, Sakimoto music, all come together for the first time ever and it's a fucking mobage.

You'll be out of your mind if you think there isn't a cancer that's kill Japanese gaming like there is killing Western gaming.
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>>390041238
ur cheeky little cunt i'll give you that
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>>390042045
>mobages can't be good meme
The only problem they have is gacha. But try to tell me that, say, Granblue is a bad game.
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Alright /v/, favorite jrpg and wrpg?

>jrpg
SMT: Strange Journey
>wrpg
Fallout 1
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>>390042163
Granblue is bad because it did terrible things to my dick.
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>>390042237
>jrpg
Dark souls
>wrpg
Mount and blade
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>>390042163
Granblue is good for porn and nothing else.
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I think we can all agree there's nothing worse than real-time combat built around cooldowns.
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>>390042237
>jrpg
Either dark souls or final fantasy tactics

>wrpg
Darkest Dungeon without a doubt
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>>390042237
>SMT: Strange Journey
Disgusting
Game that ruined fanbase forever with simplification of law and chaos. From mainline only smt4f was worse
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>>390042163
>Mobages can't be good
They're overwhelmingly bad
You raise Granblue I'll give you Justice Monsters 5
Or Breath of Fire 6
or Valkyrie Profile Anatomia
For every Rise of Mana there's 500 more Little Noah. And any ones that are successful use gaccha to pray on gambling addictions especially the ones that end up getting any kind of scene over here.

God knows how many card based games have taken to the damn sky from that region that always ends up folding.

And it's funny you use that "all Mobages are a problem" implication when the person I responded to implied "AAA" is a problem.

Same cancer, different region.
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>>390042237
>JRPG
Final Fantasy 3
>WRPG
Age of Decadence

pls recommend me some games im dying
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>>390041631
I wouldn't consider P5 AAA. Despite all acclaim, it's a pretty niche title.

>>390041734
>And I'm really glad that JRPGs are niche enough and we're getting plenty of great diverse games that don't try to appeal to normalfags.
And luckily now there is a wide arrange of niche WRPG titles too. Before the whole crowdfunding craze, cRPGs were dead for more than a decade.
What a good time to be alive.
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>>390042450
You mean MMO or FF's ATB?
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>>390042481
Fuck you. Strange Journey was a spinoff. It can be whatever it wants to be.
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>>390039662
Nips also do action combat much better, as seen in the souls series and dragon's dogma
Western games make action combat feel unsatisfying as fuck
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>>390042481
>IV is equal or better than Strange Journey
What are you smoking?
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>>390042450
Can you give us an example?
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>>390042450
>this kills the xenofag
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>>390039543
Jrpgs. I have yet to play a wrpg as fun or challenging as KitN or Growlanser IV.
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>>390042497
I know a few good games.
Depends how much money do you have?
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>>390039543
Depends on the game. Turn based strategy can be nice, just as action combat can be. Of course the reverse is true where turn based can be stupidly easy and action combat can be clunky and poorly made as well.
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>>390041659
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5rFiJmtWRo

Basically every character and enemy moves along an action bar in combat, once you reach the middle of the bar you take your turn, but every action has a little windup period you can see on the bar. You can hit enemies with certain cancel attacks when they're winding to prevent them from attacking and vice versa for them.
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>>390042592
Only true oldfags can appreciate IV
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>>390039662
WTF are you on about. The combat in Dark Souls alone blows every JRPG out of the water.
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>>390042450
Fps build arkung cool downs is worse
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>>390042450
There's something worse, see Monolith Soft combat.
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>>390042482
>95% of the %genre_name% games are shit
Wow, who could have thought. The same applies to any genre.
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WRPG and JRPG are very different genres and I'd say that the combat comparison is a bit unfair because the focus of the game in WRPGs isn't usually in combat. WRPGs are usually P&P RPG simulators while JRPGs embrace their video game nature completely. I personally enjoy both and I don't think that rating WRPGs by JRPG standards or vice versa is very productive because the genre philosophies are so different. For pure number crunching JRPGs are generally better though because they're usually built up from that point of view.

I really like some WRPG combat systems too, like the old Fallouts are fun despite there being very little balancing. It's just fun to make builds.

That being said I think that WRPGs have also kinda lost their sense of what they should be doing, most WRPGs nowadays seem to abandon what made the genre cool in the first place. I had hopes for the Witcher series to fix this but nope, they went the completely different route. I still kinda like the games but they aren't the sort of RPGs I was hoping them to be.
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>>390042481
Wrong.
>>390042518
No, SJ is mainline. During development it was titled SMTIV but was later given a subtitle only because it didn't take place in Tokyo.
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>>390042690
TPS build around cool downs are fantastic though.
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>>390042237
>JRPG
Skies of Arcadia

>WRPG
I'm torn between KOTOR 2 and Morrowind.
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>>390042712
Nice oversimplification of the argument. Reading this, it's almost as if I'm not implying that the mobage market and otaku pandering is directly leading into a lower overall quality of games released, much like how our market murdered the phrase "open-world"
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>>390042785
>KOTOR 2
>One of the worst rpg even made
>best western rpg
lol
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>>390041884
top kek, i had to go listen to it again
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>>390041087
Stop wanking to juvenile Game of Thrones tier writing with shit gameplay. The only good thing about the Witcher are the visuals and even that will age like milk.
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>>390042915
Not him but anon said favorite not best. Some of /v/s favoret games are shit.
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>>390042237
>jrpg
Elona Plus.
>wrpg
Neverwinter Nights.
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>>390042237
>jrpg
Legend of mana
>wrpg
Summoner 2
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>>390043009
>GOT
>Bad
/v/ is truly a shit hole of bad taste.
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>>390042686
>The combat in Dark Souls alone blows every JRPG out of the water.
Dark Souls' combat and your average turn-based JRPG's combat are so far separated that it's pointless to compare them.
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>>390042237
Trails in the Sky SC
Fallout 2
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>>390042686
>slow unresponsive combat in the action rpg
>good
You could at least say bloodborne...
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>>390043130
It's not good even for contemporary fiction standards unless you're braindead or a teenager or both. Kys.
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>Best JRPG
Dragon Quest VI
>Best WRPG
KOTOR & Witcher 3
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>>390043130
>GOT
>good
/tv/ has the worst taste of all boards
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>>390043130
>thinks ASOIAF is good
>says something about shit taste
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>>390043225
Actually Dark Soul's 3 combat is the best of all the soulsborne games.
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>>390039543
>WRPG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ9ix08vIaY
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>>390042686
>Roll
>Swing
>Roll
>Swing
>Roll
>Swing twice
>Die for being impatient
It's fun, but it ain't perfect.
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>>390042237
Infinite space
Fallout
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>>390043326
>Actually Dark Soul's 3 combat is the best of all the soulsborne games.


>poise does nothing and you're forced to play a dex style dodge dork because heavy armour is useless

>good
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>2017
>Still using the terms JRPG and WRPG to describe gameplay mechanics
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>>390043426
>dex
>not quality build with str+dex

The amount of people playing ultra greatswords in pvp with hybrid builds is disgusting.
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>>390043426
But you got crazy hyper armor on many weapons.

Hyper armor > Poise
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>>390043326
Objectively wrong

>"Friede is the best boss fight in the soulsborne series"
>get to Friede
>parry open air
>she dashes forward even when invisible
>drop a stone
>she dashes forward even when invisible
>drop "hellow"
>she dashes forward even when invisible
>attack open air
>she hops to the left even if she's a full screen away
>enter weapon art stance
>she attacks

>she has the same input reading as almost every boss in the game
Hahaha
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>>390043326
I diagree
DeS slow and methodical fights were great and were ruined in das+
Bloodborne fast pacing and skill depending fights were god tier too.
Das3 was some shitty mix that didn't made sense
Why estus is faster than bloodvials? Why heavy armor doesn't give you stamina penality?
Shit like that ruined das3 combat for me, and generally duel fights were better in bloodborne
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>>390042724
>JRPGs embrace their video game nature completely.
Not really. Most of them are rather linear and uninteractive. I can think of maybe 2 or 3 JRPG titles that use medium to their best. More WRPGs come to mind on that topic.
Main feature of video game media is input from player, which most of classic western RPGs use really well due to tabletop roots. And while narrative may not be as focused as in JRPGs, they respect player's agency, which is a key to use this medium to its fullest.

>That being said I think that WRPGs have also kinda lost their sense of what they should be doing
Not anymore. At least now there are a lot of great niche titles that are true to their roots.
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>>390043496
What are you even trying to say retard.
DaS 1 is too slow and clunky, DaS 2 was better but not by much.
Bloodborne's was the best until they made the same combat but with shields.

This isn't even up to debate, go back to your precious half of a game that ends in Anor Londo and actually play it again kek, it's unplayable now.
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>>390043426
As opposed to 1, where you could max out poise and STILL perform ninja like acrobatics?
And 2, which also had nopoise?
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>>390043426

>dex

Lol,what the fuck are you playing? Considering how fucking telegraphed bosses are, anything that could do consistent 600 damage will kill anything faster than your little dex weapons.

Black Knight Glaive should be fucked nerfed for how damn strong it is.
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>>390043482
>But you got crazy hyper armor on many weapons.
>Hyper armor > Poise
I like using big armour, not huge weapons

I just wanted to be a knight with a nice basic looking sword and shield with good armour, but that build is fucking shit in 3 because even rats nibbling on your ankles will make you stagger around like you're being drop kicked in the chest
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>>390043716

Then use a shield fag.That's what shit is for.
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>>390042685
>Broken game fixed by the sequel with bad plot
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>>390039543
Fucking retarded OP
>>390042237
>JRPG
Metal Max 2:R, Unlimited: Saga, Romancing SaGa 2.
>WRPG
Arcanum, Gothic 2, Magicka
>inb4 waaaah only post one gaem
Fuck you
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>>390043662
>what are you trying to say
I spelled it out at the very bottom followed by a big space next to black text so it could catch the attention of your ADD riddled mind
>she has the same input reading as almost every boss in the game

Second
>the best with shield
All enemies dodge better than you. No action dodge. Can't riposte estus or even backstab somebody who's drinking. All attacks from enemies are sideswipes and delayed overheads. Basic weapon moveset among 80% of the weapons are exactly the same. The DLC weapons are pretty good but Bloodborne's DLC weapons are better on top of having different basic and strong attacks.

>same but with shields
Is the stupidest thing I've read in awhile.
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>dark souls fags ruin yet ANOTHER thread
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>>390042163
Granblue is a bad game.
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>>390043805
>2cool4rulz as expected of a sagafag
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>>390039543
Kingdom Hearts 2 and BBS has probably my favorite combat in a game. Can anyone recommend something similar? Doesn't have to be Japanese. I don't care as long as it's fun.
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>>390043942
Check out the last Fate game. Fate Extella is its name if I recall correctly.
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>>390043716
So don't get hit.
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>>390042691
That's exactly what he just described.
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>>390043662
>DaS 2 is too slow and clunky, DaS 1 is better
Ftfy
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>>390043820
Dark Souls 3 combat is literally bñoodborne's woth shields.

Your arguments are fucking retarded, you aren't making any sense, go back to your nigger infested cave, cuck.
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>>390043983
Do I have to know about Fate to like it?
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>>390043898
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Wrpgs specialize in non-combat
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>>390044036
Not really, it's fake real time MMO with cooldowns and a topple mechanic.
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>>390043820
>or even backstab somebody who's drinking
you can with daggers, you know, a dedicated backstab weapon type
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>>390043842
>Using 9gag epic 2009 memes
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>>390044092
yes
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>>390044092
Absolutelly not.
But I warn you, it has quite a lot of sim date-like stuff.
Like you know, bathing with your servant and constant arguments about who loves you more and such.
But that's only in story mode, the rest of the game is cuhrayzee button mashing with flashy combos and scenaries that remind me quite a lot of KH2's tron world.
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>>390042915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

I thought it had a great freedom of choice while having a very focused and compelling narrative. It simply clicked with me.
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>>390042686
Considering the following. Dark souls is made by a Japanese company therefore it is a JRPG.
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>>390044000
>>390043754
Its okay, Dark Souls is perfect and everyone that doesn't agree is bad and needs to le git gud xD

Dark Souls is about doing PvP for months, the PvE experience doesn't matter, all that matters is PvE
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>>390039543
ARPG
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>>390044226
>kotor2
>freedom of choice
>compelling narrative
Obvious bait
Even worse than toki posting retard
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>>390044208
>>390044216
Well I guess that's alright. I don't mind mashing through the story scenes if it doesn't interest me as long as the game is fun. Should I get the Switch version that has the DLC or does it run poorly?
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>>390040767
What about games like Lunar where movement/position matters but you can't really control it?
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>love Arcanum, Arx Fatalis, IWD, Might and Magic 6-8 from the classic or Underrail, The Quest or AoD from the recent crpgs
>love BoF, Drakengard/Nier, Tactics Ogre, Vagrant Story, King's Field/Souls, Suikoden from jrpg
Feels good to be able to enjoy multiple things at once.
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>>390043658
That's true, WRPGs often give more player agency. However I think that JRPGs generally have more focus on the GAME mentality, where you can and you're supposed to get better at the thing you're playing. WRPGs (ideally) are more like sandboxes where you can do whatever you want with the game world within the limits of your character, JRPG give you challenges and clear rules which you're supposed to bend for your own success. They're both using their medium well, just in a very different way. I guess this simulation vs tight focus on one thing applies to the differences between good western and japanese game development overall, but I might be stretching here a bit.

And again I want to emphasize that I like both genres and both Western and Japanese games, I just feel like there's a big cultural gap between those who grew up with Jap games and those who grew up with Western ones (whether you were a console or a PC player probably matters a lot here, especially if you started before the 6th or 7th console gen). The typical JRPG fan might wonder why there is a lot of player agency in the first place if the game is easily broken by it and the typical WRPG fan might wonder why an RPG is considered good if you can't solve conflicts in a nonviolent way or play a role, for instance.
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>>390044273
Wait, you were complaining about lack of poise for PVE?
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>>390044352
I don't know, as I played the PC version who ran smoothly as silk.

If I could give you a piece of advice it would be to not ponder too much on the story as it is a bad fanfic with quite a lot of pandering to the autistic fans of the saga.

Just focus on picking fucking GIRUGAMESH and wiping creation with your babilonian demigod dick.
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>>390042237
>jrpg
nier or demon's souls
>wrpg
morrowind or fallout
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>>390039543
Any RPG where I can fight my enemies with dancing moves?
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>>390044451
Are you saying its fun having to roll around like a jackass to avoid getting stunlocked by a few rats?

Balancing souls games around PVP is fucking retarded when it makes the PVE tedious and annoying. Dark Souls is a PVE game with PVP elements, not a PVP game with PVE elements, but they forgot that while balancing Dark Souls 3
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>>390044262
Just like if Witcher was made by Japs its genre would have changed into JRPG instead? You can make italian pasta without being italian you faggot.
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>>390044460
>Girugamesh
That's the light at the end of the tunnel for me
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>>390044527
baldur's gate 2 Blade kit is a dancing bard with retarded dps
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>>390039543
One does not exclude the other. Also, many can't stand turn-based because they see it as slow when that really depends on case-by-case basis. Suikoden 1 and 2, for example, have really fast turn-based combat.
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>>390044584
Here's the thing: JRPG is not a genre. Same as WRPG. LRPG is a genre. SRPG is a genre. LRPG is a genre. Dungeon crawler is a genre. Yes, any game of those genres made in Japan is a JRPG.
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>>390044573
Dude, DaS3 is the easiest souls game to date and you want to be able to brush off hits like they are nothing?
You don't like big weapons so you are using a shield, try to actually block lol.
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>>390044527
Yakuza 0 is an RPG. One of the two main characters has a fighting style that is literally breakdancing.
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>>390043426
t. too stupid to understand hyperarmor

vordt hammer demands respect
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>>390044718
>DaS3 is the easiest souls game to date
that's ds2 aka infinite lifegem chugfest
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>>390044772
Hyper armor fucking sucks in PvP though.
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>>390042237
>JRPG
Persona 4 golden
>WRPG
New Vegas or Baldur's Gate 1
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>>390044795
Attrition isn't a factor since DaS 1 ended, enemies drop estus every 6 seconds in DaS 3.
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>>390044928
>enemies drop estus every 6 seconds in DaS 3
You're thinking of Bloodborne, not DaS3.
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>>390044717
Then what genre is the pic above you? And what is LRPG or SRPG?
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>>390044527
Devil Survivor
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>>390044928
>enemies drop estus every 6 seconds in DaS 3.
that's false, there's only 1, at best 2 estus replenishes even in big areas, nowhere nearly comparable 99 lifegems you can buy for 300 souls each
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>>390043765
sequel is bad also plus fake alternate demi fiend that is strong in game weak as fuck in the story
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>>390044718
>You don't like big weapons so you are using a shield, try to actually block lol.
I never said DS3 was hard, I said its tedious and annoying. If I had poise I wouldn't have to treat every trash enemy in the game like they are a fucking problem just because no matter how strong I get everything can still stagger me.

DaS3 doesn't have that feeling of progression, you can't go back to old areas and feel like your character is a fucking monster now when 30 levels ago those enemies bashed you around like a ragdoll because they can still fucking bash you around like a ragdoll, you just do more damage.

I fucking loved exploring and getting to feel like I was getting stronger because of how much higher my poise was in DaS1
I get that you think Souls is some kind of test of mettle for some reason even though the games are easy, and for some reason you think removing poise is a good thing, but I think it makes the games less fun and made the experience worse for me.

It added nothing and just made the particular playstyle and build that I liked the most less fun. They also ruined Pyromancy by making it scale off of a fucking magic stat, when the entire fucking point of pyromancy was that it was spells you could cast that didn't require a stat
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>>390044991
>>390045043
Wrong, you get at least 4 estus per level, some times up to 6.
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>>390044992
LRPG = (Rules-)Light RPG. RPGs with turn-based or speed-based combat. Suikoden belongs to this genre.
SRPG = (War) Simulation RPG (aka Tactical RPG or Strategy RPG in the West).
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>>390045181
don't spread blatant misinformation retard, i've played ds3 on regular basis including no bonfire runs and you're blatantly wrong
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>>390044795
>Using gems in das2
Literally suicide
They are so slow to use and heal, that you get killed 10x times in that time
Can't be compared to the humanity in das(and first rats drop it) or das3 insane estus speed, also every area has at least 2-3 mobs that will give you free charges.
Das2 is the only soulsborne game that did healing right, I loved how it was possible to parry vials in borne too, but no one could stop you from chunking it in the pvp
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I played das3 twice and cant remember enemies dropping estus flasks..
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>>390041236
i remember. The wapanese word filter
now if you sneeze around japanese media, you get labeled as such by the mobile posters
i doubt any of them even know what it really means anymore
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>>390045257
>>390045181
>>390045405

It depends on how many other people are playing, you get an estus refresh when someone else online uses an estus in that area IIRC

If you played the game at launch you almost never ran out of estus, I can't imagine you get that many now that the game is dead
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>>390045319
nothing in ds2 can touch you if you simply backpedal while popping a lifegem
for some retarded reason you retain mobility with them and almost no enemy can counter backpedaling because everything in ds2 is designed like shit
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>>390044446
>The typical JRPG fan might wonder why there is a lot of player agency in the first place if the game is easily broken by it and the typical WRPG fan might wonder why an RPG is considered good if you can't solve conflicts in a nonviolent way or play a role, for instance.
Sounds fair. I personally invested in tRPGs a lot and walking against the norm in favor of player's choice is a normal order of things there, while mindless railroading is seen as a worst thing to do.

>>390044435
>Feels good to be able to enjoy multiple things at once.
I envy you. For some reason JRPGs don't click with me that much despite trying a wide arrange of titles.
The Quest is not very recent, btw. It is a port of 2006 Windows Mobile game with upscaled graphics. Playing it in portable format back in the day was amazing.
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>>390045405
Well, now we know that das3 defenders are mentally challenged and don't see obvious game mechanics
>>390045463
Obvious lie
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>>390041149
>>390041236
>>390045423
>people get buttblasted when they get called weeaboo on 4chan and say its an anime website
>they say no one on 4chan should call anything weeaboio
>these people neglect the fact that weeaboo is a term that was created on 4chan to make fun of the anime fans that were fucking obnoxious and liked really gay shit just because it was from japan

While people still abuse it, there is nothing wrong with calling someone a weeb.
You don't have to be obsessed with Japan to like weeb shit. Weebshit is just something that is really fucking stupid but has an anime art direction so some people will love it anyway.
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>>390045463
Wow, so now das3 players spreading lies about das2 to make their game look less shit.
Pathetic
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>>390045536
>Obvious lie
obvious truth because i have enough experience in that game to know it from inside out
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>>390039543
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hrIpuaWVAec JRPG
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>>390045612
my favourite souls game is des so try again, shitstain
but yes, ds3 is better than ds2
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>>390045463
>You can drink estus between combos in das3 and use humanity even boss hits you in das
>HEY IF YOU RUN AWAY, HIDE BEHIND CORNER, USE LIFEGEM AND WAIT 10 MINUTES YOU CAN FULLY HEAL
Wow, so this is the power of das3 kids...
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>>390045715
Das pc kid thinks that he can pretend to be a des master race oldfag
Cute.
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>>390045257
Stop lying cunt.
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>>390045746
you don't need to run away, you need to simply backpedal
ds2 gives you a retarded amount of healing power, you can make as many mistakes as you like and game will never truly punish you for them because whoever designed its healing system was a literal mouthbreather
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>>390045570
dude stop you said all japanese games are weebshit how in the fuck is dark souls and resident evil weebshit how does playing a jrpg make you a weeb
>>390045746
wrong you just walk backwards use a life gem or 2 and heal
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>>390045862
cry me a river you piece of shit
to get a single charge of estus from enemies in ds3 you need to murder a third of the location, the only other way to replenish it is either parting flame weapon art or killing an invader so if you were getting tons of flasks it's probably because your retarded coop team was ganking invaders
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Old WRPGs > JRPG > CRPG >Nu WRPG
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>>390045405
They don't "drop" them per se.

You get a sound and your estus count increase by 1 unless you didn't use any.
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Not a single game since M&M 6, 7, 8, 9 even tried to have both turn based and real time with transition on demand.
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>>390045931
U mad as fuck nobody believes your lies, if you didn't get at least 4 estus per level you are just lying.

Why even lie on the internet, 4chan of all places, lying sack of nigger seed filled cunt.
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>>390045981
Dragon Age Origins
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>>390046185
>U mad
You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.
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Final Fantasy's ATB was perfect.

Too bad the FF portion of SE does nothing but make shit games now.
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I'll forever miss 3ab
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>>390046247
Stay buttdevastated seething bleeding aids infested anus shit.
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>>390046413
buttmad spic
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>>390046413
Stop talking with a mirror, anon.
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>>390046306
>Final Fantasy's ATB was perfect
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Nigga are you serious? Final Fantasy's ATB is trash. It's just turn based but you have to wait in between attacks. There are only very rare situations where the fact that it's ATB is actually relevant.
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>>390040298
Lol
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>>390039662
Turn based JRPG combat is normally pretty bad and boring. No depth at all
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>>390039712
>Dark Souls
>RPG
Wew lad
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>>390046808
it is a rpg a arpg
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JRPG have some nice memes
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>>390039543
You act like turn based is shit.
One reason why BiA was god awful.
And why I prefer DivDiv over Original Sin
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>>390046751
As opposed to combat in the average WRPG? They're both boring as shit with some exceptions.
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>>390046923
>role-playing game
>has no role-playing
Really makes you think.
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>>390047021
hmm i see no role playing in ultima and wizardry
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>>390045570
It manages to be an even more obnoxious term than otaku. Amazing, though no less surprising given how normalfags are like these days.
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>>390039543
The only WRPGS I've enjoyed are ones that are basically just dnd. Japanese games almost always have better combat.
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The good WRPG combat systems use turn based combat. RTwP is terrible.
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>>390041624
The system was copied by Child of Light which was the sole reason I got that game to begin with. Too bad the story was boring so I didn't really finish it. Combat customization was surprisingly lacking in depth too.
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>>390042237
>JRPG
Final Fantasy XI
>WRPG
Neverwinter Nights
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wich is better, Racing games or Fighting games? why compare 2 different things? people like one or the other better
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>>390048043
Fighting games though desu.
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>>390048043
Fighting games, objectively. This cannot be disputed.
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>>390048043
Fightning games of course because I am a fucking weeb and hate motorsports. I think that every car game is a sim and I do not realize the technicality of shifting and drifting.
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>>390040723
Bravely default is bad because the gameplay is obnoxiously repetitive, even for that style of turn based

Also random speed can be super bullshit
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>>390048752
Such elegant and subtle satire.
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>>390048043
Fighting.
Though I have to say I have yet to experience true fun in a videogame since I played Burnout 3 and Need for speed most wanted.
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>>390048043
>wich is better, Racing games or Fighting games
Racing sims, obviously. They are way more complex and fun.
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>>390048859
but that is how it is no?
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Western. Weebshit has no mechanical depth or challenge. Just push x whenever you feel like it and things die.
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>>390048897
Not necessarily. I just like more direct confrontation. At the olympics I'll watch boxing but not a race. Seeing who can do a thing better is less interesting to me than direct competition, if that makes sense. I don't think weebyness comes into it at all, though I'll admit a car to me is just a way to get from a to b.
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I have never played a JRPG that is not rock-paper-scissors boring bullshit and also I have nothing against turn based combat but in games like FF it's super fucking long and feels like I'm wasting my time more than I already do. So WRPG for me.
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Both JRPG and WRPG combat has mostly gone to shit now because it's just more and more real-time action.

Most ARPG's aren't even RPG's, just shitty action games with a hamster wheel to give players the illusion of getting "better" at the game. It ruins the appeal of both RPG's and Action games.
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>>390047021
>X isn't Y
>w-well Z isn't Y either, so your argument is shit!
Every fucking time.
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>>390050715
>XY
>Doesn't have X and Y that present is debatable
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>>390041624
God fuck, I remember that you could straight up perfect bosses without even needing to get grossly overleveled if you just managed your turns carefully. Spacing so you can reach enemies but they can't reach you, combos attacks to stagger speed during ACT, and then timing a cancel attack to fuck up someone's entire turn.

If a boss was ever alone, it was an absolute bloodbath.
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This fucking shit again
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>>390039927
>>390040639
>>390040872
>developed in japan
>by japanese people
>in a japanese studio
>LOL GUYS IS A WESTERN RPG
I dont even want to get into the fact that "wrpg" is a fucking meme, whi the fuck came with that idea anyway? western devs had only put "rpg· elements in every fuckign game genere to "inovate" and it had rarely worked, End your self retards
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>>390039543
WRPGs have always, on average, had the best combat.

JRPGs have always, on average, had the best stories.

These are irrefutable facts. The west has always focused on improving player interaction, and the east has always focused on a powerful narrative to drive the game. If you unironically think JRPGs have better combat, or that WRPGs have better stories, then you are a fucking idiot. You are entitled to your idiot opinion on what you like more, but the polls are closed on what has better combat/story.

I don't know why you fucks need to keep making war threads. Both genres are perfectly fine, and you can like both.
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>>390050941
>Games without roleplaying are referred to as RPGs
>Games with roleplaying aren't referred to as RPGs
It's almost as if the meaning of the genre isn't entirely based on its name.
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>>390051478
Name one western RPG with combat better than in Mana Khemia.
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>>390042237
SaGa Frontier

Might and Magic 6
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>>390051681
First describe the mechanical difference between Mana Khemia and any other turn-based combat.
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>>390039543
>JRPGs are exclusively turn based!
If action RPGs like Tales games aren't allowed to be called JRPGs when WRPGs with action gameplay should also only be called ARPGs.
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There's a lot of SaGa in this thread, you guys are cool.
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>>390051681
Easiest answer in my life
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>>390046306
>Final Fantasy's ATB was perfect.
ATB is atrocious.
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>>390052015
that game fucking sucked
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>>390039543
I don't mind turn based. JA2 did it pretty much perfectly.
So western it is.
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I hate Jrpg because it's liner af
I hat Wrpg because its combat and UI fucking garbage
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>>390039543
Nipshit of any genre is superior to any modern Western "game".
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>>390052327
And if you're more into real time RPG stuff, Mount and Blade and if you're into real time with pause...Baldur's Gate
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>>390039543
The only good turn based combat is SMT press turn
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>>390039543
On average, it's definitely JRPGs, but I've still never played a JRPG that had combat even close to as good as Divinity: Original Sin's.
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Bloodborne is perfect
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JRPG if you want to oogle underage girls with huge tits do a fancy attack animation with the camera right on her ass

WRPG if you wanna feel like you're the hero (aka roleplaying) and destroy enemies with skill rather than RNG
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most JRPGs are not rpg
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>>390052165
Combat was still miles better
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>>390039662
Don't be so hard on Witcher 3.
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>>390039543
i'd take any combat over turn based
but then again i don't like the rpg genre in general
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>>390042481
Which is funny because Nocturne bastardized SMT so much it barely resembled what it was pre-Nocturne. SJ actually somewhat resembled pre-Nocturne SMT.

But since Nocturne is baby's first Megoomi Tensay it is given a free pass.
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>>390039543
Action RPG are the best way to play RPGs.
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>>390053237
I'm not a fan of games that are just a shitload of menus and an enemy sprite, watching numbers flash all over them until you win. Games I play need to have graphics. I want to see the characters I'm playing as.
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Aren't JRPG these days just visual novels with some really basic turn based gameplay on top?
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>>390039662
JRPG turn based combat is just an inferior version of tactical turn based combat like in XCOM or Advance Wars
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>>390042237
>JRPG
Can't decide either Sukoden II or Dork Souls

>WRPG
Jagged Alliance 2
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>>390053869
This nigger knows what's up.
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Is Yakuza series RPG?
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Xillia 2 has the best JRPG combat.
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>>390039543
JRPGs, just play something that is not FF or DQ. Best WRPGs had turn based combat.
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>>390046942
I wish Airy was a red-skinned oni fairy
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>>390049194
>Just push x whenever you feel like it and things die.
You literally just described WRPG
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why autosage?
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>>390055854
It's not, /v/ is just that fast today.
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>>390055918
jesus
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>>390047021
>Video games
>role playing
Pick one
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>>390039543
> wrpg
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>>390056153
top quest sounds boring as hell too though
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>>390056153

The Gothic example still boils down to kill and fetch though.
A better example would be saving Tandi in Fallout. You can shoot every raider, use money, challenge the leader to fistfight, talk your way out, just fetch her in plain sight with leather jacket and high luck, sneak in and pick the door or sneak in and blow up the door with dynamite.
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Can you morons stop acting as if all Japanese RPGs are turn based? And that Western RPGs are are all action games?

>but anon my memory is limited only to Final Fantasy and Elder Scrolls

Then kill yourself
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>>390053237
>But since Nocturne is an excellent game it is given a free pass
Fix'd :)
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>>390044584
Yes if something is Japanese it's Japanese, it was made in Japan by Japanese people how does it get more j than that?
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>>390042237
>jrpg
None because i am not a ching chong ling long
>wrpg
Fallout 4/skyrim
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>>390056153
>GothicFag still gracing us with his superior autism.

Thank you for being the one stable thing in my life.
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>>390053869
>Jagged Alliance 2
my nigga




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