OH NO NO NO
>>689437759>hyenas>now concord What is it with crappy looking hero shooters costing absurd amounts of money (and flopping so hard they lose all of it)
>>689437759>Deploy xe damage control team, NOW!
>>689437759In an alternate universe Concord released with sexy anime girls and was a huge success
>literally twice as bad as I thought it washoly fucking goddamn shit no wonder they started shilling it so hard, they absolutely knew how horrific this flopping would be
>>689437759I keep asking this but how does Hermen Hulst have a job still?
grifter thread. grummzcord is attacking concord agan after the positive reception of veilguard.
>>689437759>>689438031>>689438115I can't wait until we see this exact same scenario with Fairgame$
>>689438291secrets
>>689437759feels fucking good man. let it all fucking burn.they've dug their own fucking graves.
>>689437759Every time I see news about this game the cost of having made it increases by 100 million more.
>>689438360At least Fairgame$ doesn't have an extensive marketing campaign for it (yet) so when it comes to moneysink, it can't be as bad as Concord in that regard at least.
>>689438671Sony already bought the studio albeit.
>>689437759https://archive.fo/Z3LxQ>But for many within the studio, it's still not clear what will come next, three sources told Kotaku. They are pessimistic Concord will return, and some have been asked to explore pitches for something completely different that Firewalk, which is currently around 150-170 employees, might work on next. Speculation among some staff has also included whether the studio could be used as co-development on one of Sony's myriad other first-party projects currently in production.>Others, however, feel like mass layoffs will be the most likely result of Concord's failure, including the possible shutdown of the entire studio, which sources tell Kotaku is one of the more expensive studios in the PlayStation portfolio on a per-head basis. Some developers are updating their resumes and portfolios, a few have already preemptively exited the studio, and others are waiting to see what a potential severance package will look like before deciding what to do next.>"sources tell Kotaku is one of the more expensive studios in the PlayStation portfolio on a per-head basis."LMAO
No wonder Spmy is price hiking all of their shit lmao the games division js wasting money on par with the fucking government
>>689438467oy vey remember the 600 gorillion dollars
>>689437759Imagine being the guy who actually sold Sony on buying the studio for this piece of shit. That guy is the final boss of sales.
>>689437759love that there is such as thing as toxic positivity. about time these niggers paid for ignoring feedback
>>689437759it cost 400 million dollars to release this game for 12 days
And they'll make 10x that money back when they re-release it free to play
>>689439557So 33.33 million dollars per day
>>689439592don't overdose on that copium xister
>>689438962>one of the more expensive studios in the PlayStation portfolio on a per-head basis
>>689439557This thread is over! Give that anon the $10,000!
>>689437759For this to be true Sony must have thought they were going to sell AT LEAST 12-13 million copies.I refuse to believe they could be that delusional. There's no way. If it's anywhere even close to half of that cost (200 million) there's no justification for Hulst to still have a job. He needs to be fired.
>>689437759I was pretty sure 200m was a pretty optimistic number. They made a fucking 3DCG TV show inside of it and planned to show 1 episode per week, they ordered some episodes on Netflix fo concord, they burnt money on everything like cdpr did for cp2077
>>689437759Its hard to believe this when it wasnt marketed at all or wasnt beta tested either
>>689439557kek
>>689439995Nah, I don't believe it one bit. It may have cost around 200-250 max to be generous, but 400 is impossible.
>>689437759>Future of PlayStation>Star Wars-like potential>toxic positivity>400 million dollarsHoly dumb fuck, just when I thought this story couldn't get any funnier.
>>689438031Hyenas was expensive, seven years of development and live service infrastructure isn't cheap, but it didn't cost anywhere near as much as Concord. That $1 billion price tag was Sega's allotment across multiple projects, not just that one game.Concord is expensive as hell because it also had a long ass development, needed live service support, and also had shitloads of motion captured cutscenes which massively inflates the budget. Mocap is why the most expensive part of making Call of Duty is the single player campaign.
>>689439557Lmao
>>689440640The $400m number comes straight from a dev and he also said that Concord was literally the pet project of the soon-to-be co-CEO of Playstation, Herman Hulst. I actually genuinely do believe it just for that.
concord is pretty good i been playing on the secret servers they kept up for elite gamers
It was showcased to universal panning and derision, so I have no idea how for 8 years no one could have seen it coming.A janitor could accidentally walk by the design room and could have told them it was shit.
>>689439557
>>689437759>star wars like potentialHow do you get delusional enough to look at that game and say that>a dev culture of toxic positivity halted any negative feedbackAn increasingly common problem. HR makes people play so nice that they can't even criticize each other's work
>>689441465And they would have considered themselves above the plebian mind of a janitor and kept going with it
>>689438146>started shilling it so hardThe opposite for me, it boggles my mind how I had never seen an ad for this until a week before launch. Same with a bunch of anons not knowing this was coming out until the mocking threads started rolling in
>>689441465It's not that hard to put 2 and 2 together, anon>"internal reviews" always said the game is great>OP says "toxic positivity"
>>689441465It says right there>toxic positivityWhoever was having the final say whether it was Hulst or somebody else was in some weird form of denial or thought they were too far in to maneuver
I'm going to keep asking until I get an explanation that makes sense: HOW does Hermen Hulst still have a job? How have the japs not forced his faggot, yuropoor, ass to commit sudoku?
>as much as horizon 2 and tlou 2 put togetherno it didn't, and you have to be a fucking idiot to believe this
>>689437759KNIGHTS OF SLOPPA WON
>>689438031The true grifters around.
>>689441651I have a theory the marketing people finally got their hands on it and were like "....what the actual fuck did you retards just do?"
>>689437759what does toxic postivity even mean?
>>689442087Imagine your job if no one was allowed to call anything a bad idea
>lose your parent company anywhere from 100 million to 400 million dollars>cry woe is me please think of our jobsA small business losing even a fraction of that would shut down with no chance at redemption. The fact that these faggots aren't immediately out of a job are already entitled as it is.
>>689441465It's literally right there:>toxic positivityThe higher-ups outright scammed Sony and any code monkey or art Nancy who didn't act like a Airstrip One citizen got fired
>>689442087>Hey guys I think this thing might not work>Shut up we are fine, your critique is not needed this game will be the next big thing.
>>689442087It means no one is allowed to tell anyone else they're talentless hacks and their ideas are shit because it hurts then women, troons, and browns feefees. Everything is perfect at all times because M'Buku Mutumbo worked really hard on it, customer's opinions be damned.
>>689442087it means a cult where you cant say anything bad and have to walk on eggshells about every topic or else you get sent to a four hour long hr struggle session aka a normal modern american workplace
>>689441848it makes sense to put him in charge, after all he was responsible* of the hit series horizon that has sold** more than 32m copies***
>>689437759Could have been 400 billion and Sony will just keep trucking along trying the same shit again and again. Yeah a studio will probably get shut down, but there's a dime a dozen of those as far as Sony is concerned.
>>689437759
>>689442087When someone says something retarded but everyone else is too scared to tell them it's retarded and just nod in agreement.Basically the work ethic of the Star Wars prequels but in this case it was detrimental to the final product because the people in charge had absolutely nothing good to add.
>>689438291It's honestly baffling. He has tanked Guerilla Games and Sony at this point. He has to be a Jew, right? Like, he pushes the same kind of trash as Druckmann on top of the live service trash he wants to prioritize. All that dumb faggot had to do was make more Killzone.
>>689441465I worked on the Aliens vs Predator game on the ps3 ages ago as a games tester and right from the get go it was clear that it was shit, but the entire time there was an attitude of if they fixed this or changed that it will be better, but it was never going to happen and when it got released all the reviews had the same complaints we did I’m sure there was something similar going on but fundamental parts of the gameplay are never changed even if they’re shit and everyone knows it
>>689437759>Star Wars-like potentialWell that part was accurate
>>689438962American devs are paid so much...
This is what the knife lady originally looked like before they shifted it to being modeled after a tranny.
>>689442463That game was great, so I'm glad they didn't listen to you I guess.
will snoy ever learn will snoy stop humiliating itself and will they stop getting so greedy and stop accepting blackrock funds(infinite money printers and savage investors for le funny world destruction the corporation(self loving kikes)or the entire world will fucking piss on them?
>>689439875They did plan that amazon episode, meaning they were extremely optimisticBtw, anyone knows if it will release?
>>689442463If you know can you tell me why everyone making the game thought turning it into an execution spamfest with only 5 hours of singleplayer content was a good idea?
>>689437759OH YES YES YES! GET WOKE GO BROKE!
>>689438962>mass layoffDoesn't even begin to describe what these people deserve. Anyone who was in any sort of senior position during the development of this dumpster fire should be put on an industry blacklist.
>>689442591no. someone nigger on youtube made this after concords for "what if"
>>689442591>nappy headed nigger femaleNO!
>>689442087you are forced to be positive about the thing in question at all times, including being as light on criticism as possible, meaning there is zero outlet for actual discussion and ways to improve because everyone is too afraid of hurting feefees
I don't believe this. Rdr2 one of the most graphically and technically impressive games of all time cost 350 million, which not only had a single player but also a multiplayer. Wtf did sony spend the money on for a multiplayer game with like 16 characters and 12 maps?
>>689437759>"Star Wars-like potential"Well, they got that part right.
>>689442087German war room circa 1945
Hmm very interesting.....
>game was code-named "Chaos" behind the scenesuh, I think I know who killed it
>>689442681Because the devs thought the executions were cool and single player didn’t matter because it would be the new COD (there was loads of multiplayer testing since they were so big on it)
>>689437759Even halo infinite costed 50m and sold 20m copies... our response snoy sisters...
>>689442686He'll be back in some cushy position in another studio faster than you can say the word shekel.
>>689442591Still ugly and off putting.
>>689442892hah, oh wow
>>689442437The eternal dutch didn't turn into a colonial worldwide empire via charity
>>689442892Literally our Costa concordia
She deserved to be in a better game
>>689442950Do you think the internet knows that he's a self-hating beta cuck that's racist to white people?
>>689442686Hey look at that. A jew encouraging the 2020 summer of riots and fiery but peaceful protests. Never seen that before.
>>689438962Shit like this is why RTO and even forced hybrid is fucking retarded. 70% of the staff could've been remote in cheap Sunbelt cities or at least abusing hub offices in cheaper hiring locations like Salt Lake City or Austin. CBRE, JLL, and Cushman have all their people working out of hub offices or fully remote in every tier 2 city and real estate is literally their business. Tech companies are fucking retarded.
>>689441848this game was greenlit by jim ryan, 8 years ago hermen hulst wasnt in the position yet to have any impact
>>689442783Rdr2 also was in dev for around 8 years same as concord.. Its not what you do during those 8 years, it's what you get done. You're paying your devs by the hour. But yeah I really wanna know how the fuck a multiplayer only game with 16 characters and 12 maps could be in dev for that long. If the game had a 12 hour long single player campaign I'd understand but it doesn't.
>>689439557fuckin Gold, anon
>>689442591NoAnd bright red and purple is still retarded on the shadowy assassin character
>>689439557underrated
>>689438146>no wonder they started shilling it so hardi literally never saw an ad about this game only people shit talking it here
Why would a game like this with nothing but multiplayer maps cost so much money? They didn't have to design proper levels or encounters, they didn't need to have tons of unique music, It's just a slice of game
>>689442918Based Jack saves another series. Is there anything that man can't do?
>>689438031Cause they spend too long in development, mainly. This alone drives costs through the roof. Consider that even a short AAA dev cycle is expensive because of how many people are involved in it, and now those dev cycles are lasting the better part of a decade. As for why the hero shooters fail, it's not a market with a lot of room for growth, anymore. The big players have been entrenched for nearly a decade, they've already attracted everyone who is willing to play this type of game, so trying to break into their market means stealing players from one (or more) of the games that already rule the space. So it's basically impossible to do, unless you have a truly innovative game that offers experiences to players they can't get with any other title, and has enough rewards that players feel enticed to spend more time on your game than the one they've spent years playing.Everyone just naively assumes they'll be able to get millions of players who will just conveniently stop playing the live service shooting game they've invested money and time into and switch to their game. They literally take this as a given, they don't believe they have to work for their audience.And this is why they fail.
Why did they shut down Japan Studios to them give that much money to a studio that has never made a game before who pitched an Overwatch clone?
>>689443363The animations were what was expensive
>>689443079>she
>>689437759I really wonder wtf did they even do for these 8 yearsA small and competent team could deliver a working prototype for a game like this within a month, and get a playable beta within a yearThere are off the shelf solutions available for literally every part of the game
>red dead redemption 2 cost 140mplease anons, please use more than two braincells so you can realise colin is talking out of his ass with this 400m
>>689442191>dev makes shitty californian hyperpozzed game loaded up with all the shit they see on xitter>completely and utterly blind themselves to all forms of criticism whatsoever>lash out and talk down to those that do give criticism while also actively shitting on your potential buyer base by saying things like "THIS ISN'T FOR YOU" and "BIGOTS GONNA COPE" and just about anything short of literally telling them to die in a ditch somewhere>previews like shit, preorders are shit, everything is saying that nobody wants to play this>continue to ignore all extremely obvious signs of disaster because you're "too big to fail" and gamers eat up any slop you serve them so clearly you'll win and coast by anyway>game comes out and predictably flops>start shitting and pissing yourself while crying about jobs being lost and how this is everyone's fault except yours as though a catastrophe on this level wouldn't be an instant pink slip with no sympathy anywhere elsesome people genuinely seem to believe that because big budget big name trash can coast by that the games industry genuinely works on different rules than everything else
>>689439592No one was playing the free open beta.
>>689442919>single player didn’t matter because it would be the new CODmany such short sighted cases in the 7th generationit wasn't even that good
>>689437759>Star Wars-like potentialStar Wars got raped into oblivion after decades of printing money, this shit was born slopped.
>>689443165If you go that way, you'll end up having your developers in Europe for 30% of the cost
>>689442591why lie?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksyqqojCNJI&t=0s
>>689438358>positive reception of veilguard.?? Not anywhere real people post.
>>689443563Time zones fuck everything up and Poland and the Philippines are incredibly overrated and big players have already begun to realize this. Hiring cheaper Americans is a way easier fix and they're far more accountable.
>>689443447>has
>>689438360>Fairgame$I'm genuinely looking forward to watching like an hour of YouTube reaction content, and soaking in all the /v/ memes, when that pile of shit comes out. It has all the hallmarks of a massive flop. The trailer alone is insufferably millennial.
>>689443694I don't even see it on the usual reddit gaming subreddits, so you know it's bad.
>>689437759there's a lot of people with a certain ideological mindset in and around this industry that ought to pipe down for a long long time to come
>>689443447>WUZ
>>689438962What happened to "The Professor"? Can we expect more from xer?
>>689437759Next week:>800 BAZILLIONS DOLLARITOS!
Didn't Battlefield 1 cost 100 million dollars to develop? holy fuck..what the fuck did Firewalk do with all that money? wasn't there only like 8 maps and 12 heroes?
>>689443860That makes me wonder...How much of that 400 million went to pay for The Professor's surgeries, therapy, HRT, and SSRIs?
Just a reminder that Elden Ring's budget was 200M
>>689438358the positive reception to veilguard is a bit like that NYT article on how Japan totally loves the new Assassins creed as per the Japanese translator (just ignore that the japanese translator used to work for SBI, lives in california as a localizer and has the same name as an anime character that's a Fujo (which probably isn't their real name) pretty sure we don't even know if they are asian
Fucking hell.
>>689442524Just the ones who live in California and around Seattle. Look at the average software developer salary in Kansas. The highest paid engineer in Wichita, Kanasas (the largest city in the state) is less than the lowest paid engineer in Bellevue, Washington. For the price of hiring a single $417k dev in Bellevue, you could hire 4 devs in Wichita to work remotely.
>>689440947>Hyenas was expensive, seven years of development and live service infrastructure isn't cheapSpecifically it was about 94 million USD they wrote off for it.The worst part of all of this shit though isn't even that they're making garbage. It's that they get to write it off.You pay for them making this trash, not them.
>>689437759So many anime panty games could've been made with 400m. What a shame.
>>689442214this
>>689439557jej
>>689444126Forgot your selfie
>>689439557I'm thinking of stealing this and posting it elsewhere, but I won't. You did well, anonHave a good day <3
>>689438358>positive reception of veilguardAre the tranny fags having fever dreams again
>>689439557Thread should have ended here
>>689443820/r/GCJ isn't doing their mandatory fellating of diversity?
>>689444121I don't think you know what 'writing off' means. It doesn't mean the government cuts them a check, it means they get a tax deduction. Being allowed to keep their own money is not "tax payers giving them money", unless you're some kind of communist and think there's no such thing as private property.
>>689442087every heard of yes-men?
>>689442087it means ignore heterosexual able-bodied males opinions
>>689439557Can someone do an AI voice version of that?
>>689442087It's a newspeak way of referring to a hugbox. No bad feelings allowed, only positive reinforcement, no matter how bad the ideas are you can't criticize them.
>>689437759While we're here, does anyone else enjoy the Last stand podcast group? My favourite even if Colin does have exceptionally shit taste in games.
mandatory https://files.catbox.moe/o8sxqv.mp4
>>689443760Dunno, seems like some companies still do itMy (French) company was bought by an American one, then they fired their entire dev team and put us in charge
>>689437759Holy shitI wonder all the time why these 100 million dollar projects dont have a "common sense" guy to be like "nahh thats shit m8 dont do that"
>>689444608They probably did at the start. He was then promptly fired for making the LGBT and non-binary folx uncomfortable and he was "difficult to work with".
>>689442591It's still retarded, only slightly less so
>>689442087Criticism is not allowed. Negative opinions and talk are not allowed. Only denial and delusion that what you are working on is great and will succeed no matter what.Toxic positivity, unsurprisingly, originates with women who buy into new age spiritual grifts like manifesting (if you have any negative thoughts, then you'll never get what you want!). It's bullshit enforced and policed in a work environment by exactly the kind of neurotic cat mom type women you expect
>>689444608Such people left the company a long time ago. The smart ones left when they saw management and HR starting to get corrupted by the woke mindvirus. The less smart ones were either forced out or fired.
>>689437759Ive thinking about this for a while.Are we finally seeing what an unchecked Playstation looks like. No competitor in the high end console market, they can release woke flop after flop while selling a new console at 800€ (+120 for the disc)because they know the only way for casual gamers to play trash like CoD/FIFA/Fortnite is to buy their box? Just one of their live service games needs to stick and they are set for life. And if they dont, oh well, they mane most of their money from people buying skins via microtransactions.
>>689444608Those sort of people are the first to get fired once the SJW takeover of a company's HR department is complete.
>>689444485no i dont have fucking time for podcasts
>>689439557It wasn't even 12 days. It was 11.
>>689443407>so trying to break into their market means stealing players from one (or more) of the games that already rule the space.I feel like the onyl time this worked was when Fortnite shat out their br mode and grew even more absurdly large than pubg did.
>>689437759kek is Colin Moriarty a chud now? Based. I remember him from his IGN days back in like 2010. You would've expected him to become a basedboy by now.
>>689438358>grifter
>star wars potentialdamn straightthey did a speedrun to the final stages of star wars
>>689444849>they know the only way for casual gamers to play trash like CoD/FIFA/Fortnite is to buy their box?They can play all those on the Xbox.You know, for all of Microsoft's stupid buying up of game developers and putting out mediocre games, they haven't had a flop on the level of Hyenas or Concord. I don't know if they've even tried to break into the GaaS market.
>>689439557goddammit
>>689439592With Morbius as first exclusive battlepass character.
>>689441552They clearly meant Nu star wars potential.
>$400,000,000 >Could have literally bought a big brand new house in a higher class area for 400 lucky people
>>689444753It's funny that companies that enforce toxic positivity tend to go under much faster than ones that have a traditionally toxic / negative atmosphere. Look at Amazon. Horrible, toxic culture full of backbiting and cutthroat office politics, but it doesn't matter because they've baked that into their hiring scheme. They never plan on people staying long with them, they live off of high turnover by offering high salaries. But a toxic positivity place encourages people to stay with the company for a long time, resulting in burned out, checked-out employees lingering and trying to "Make things work" because the phony happy atmosphere convinces them their workplace is "actually really nice". As a result a workplace with toxic positivity will see its productivity plummet and start to struggle very quickly, until you eventually have a critical mass of rank and file employees that are alienated from management that eventually the whole thing boils over and you have a mass-walkout or something.
>400 millionJFC
How do you root out "toxic positivity" without going too far and turning it into the opposite?
>>689445181Stop having your DEI consultants take part in every single meeting
>>689442892
>>689445181Not enforcing the mood would be a good start.
>>689445181Hire white, heterosexual, men with a handful of east Asians (both male and female.)
>>689437759>It was internally referred to as "The future of Playstation"It's the future of Playstation alright
>>689442087New speak for surrounded by Yes Men
>>689445181Allowing constructive criticism for starters
Don't worry, Concord 2 will be out in a month.
>>689437759Japan Studio died for this.
>>689445257but concord did failand there are so many dumbass games and movies releasing, plenty of tortanics these days
>>689442923HaloI also delivered a great campaign with a multiplayer. Apparently this is just impossible to do now except for cod.
>>689445398I miss him so much bros.I miss Japan Studio too but life is worse without Terry in it.
>>689438291This was Jim Ryan’s baby
>>689445396Don't get your hopes up, anon. This game won't flop, because>Bioware name still has immense draw (I don't get it either, even normalfags must realize the studio is long dead)>uses an established franchise, which loads of normalfags got into with the last game because of its open world shit>uses combat from Mass Effect 3
>>689445102Yea but for normies only PS exists. Which is my point, we already know Sony makes the most money from CoD and such. They dont need to try anymore and they know the normies will buy their box however expensive, anyway.Makes me wonder how far they will try to push this in next gen when theres really only a PS to play those games.
>>689437759Grim
>>689445181JUSThttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_culture
>>689441651>>689443362Do you guys use adblockers? I do and the literal only ads I ever see for anything are ad-reads in videos and viral marketing attempts. It's pretty nice, though fucking shocking when I use someone else's computer and see just how dire the competition for attention in today's world is.
>>689438031DEI is the new mafia. All their tactics are based upon tried and true mob shakedown tactics. Except the DEI mafia does not care if you go out of business. All they care about is injecting their vile marxist/leftwing/socialist/progressive ideology into the product. Like a virus, infects a healthy cell.
amerimutts really just burned 400 million dollars on gay nigger tranny gameI thought jews were supposed to be good with money?
>>689443475You must have fallen out of a coma if you are not aware of all the ballooning AAA budgets. Spiderman 2 cost 200m despite eusing the same map of 1, double the budget.
!The game actually cost MORE than $400 million!If you actually watch the video, Colin clarifies that the $400million was purely for the cost of the actual production. The undisclosed amount Sony paid for Firewalk is NOT included in that number. -Firewalk was bought at a time when mergers and acquisitions were the big thing going on in the industry and there was a lot of pressure to nab teams before someone else did, artificially inflating the prices of these studios. -The top brass at Sony considered Concord to be "the future of Playstation"Considering those two factors and the fact Sony was willing to pay $3.7 billion for Bungie, and it's easy to imagine they could have been paying hundreds of millions of dollars for FirewalkAfter all is said and done, this could have cost Sony well over half a billion dollars.
>>689438358I THINK BOTH CONCORD AND GRUMMZ SUCK
>>689445181Don't let your HR department be the millennial woman version of the gestapo, for one. And probably hire mainly male leads and management. A lot of these problems stem entirely from HR Karen's having far too much authority and say or having too many women in leadership roles.
>>689445412yes it did it just took a long time for such a clusterfuck
>>689445510>Bioware name still has immense draw>Andromeda flopped>Anthem floppedWhat immense draw are you talking about?
>>689438031don't forget Battleborn
>>689445510>produce nothing but slop like Andromeda, Inquisition, and Anthem>still having any salvageable reputationI swear to god people forget this shit way too quickly.
>>689445510>>Bioware name still has immense draw (I don't get it either, even normalfags must realize the studio is long dead)Anthem>>uses an established franchise, which loads of normalfags got into with the last game because of its open world shitDragon Age is pretty much dead (unless you count troons liking it)>uses combat from Mass Effect 3In a fantasy game
>>689445510>>Bioware name still has immense draw (I don't get it either, even normalfags must realize the studio is long dead)Does it? Wasn't Anthem their last game?>>uses an established franchise, which loads of normalfags got into with the last game because of its open world shitYeah, 10 fucking years ago>>uses combat from Mass Effect 3Why would normalfags play it when they can play their latest rollslop or BG3?
>>689437759are they going to learn their lesson now? i think not
>>689445682There's some kinda mythos that says the bad games are made by the BAD BIOWARE STUDIO or some shit, as if any of the old people are still working at any of them?
>>689445682Their former reputation is why Blizzard is still in business, despite having done nothing but sour that reputation for the past decade.
>>689444608>>689444667>>689444765>>689444878i mean higher up at sonythe ones funding this shit
>>689439875You're forgetting that it's a liveservice game. They certainly weren't planning on making back the budget off direct sales, they expected more to be microtransactions on the tail end
>>689441876I want to play that Rhino.
>>689445634I agree with you in general but in this specific case, it was Herman Holst who was all in on Concord believing it to be "the future of Playstation"When the head of your entire division is that balls deep there's not a lot you can do.
>>689445921>they expected more to be microtransactions on the tail endThere were no microtransactions in Cocord.
>>689445886If I hired a studio with industry veterans, I would let them cook. Sony likely thought that and this is what they get in return.If you wonder why executives meddle so much in the creative process and then the end product sucks, Concord is why.
>>689437759What the fuck is "toxic positivity"
>400mWith that money I could have sponsored Legend of Grimrock 3, Bachelor Route for P2 and probably the third game for Adam Jensen.Fuck this gay industry. Crash and burn it all.
>>689445921Concord had no micrtotransactions at all at launch. They potentially might have been added later, but they never got to announce them one way or another.
>>689446063If you tell them their design looks like shit, you are the problem not them.
>Lost 400$I hope Japaneses nuke California from the orbit
>>689445650>>689445650a minute of silence for all the anons who waited for another tortanic but didnt make it
>>689446063When you're so positive that you ignore glaring issues and pretend that everything's going great
>>689446063Protecting the feelings of the left side of the bell curve at the expense of the product.
>>689437759>Colon Swolely still alivelmao
>>689437759>400 millionThere's no way. Even with all its other assets Sony wouldn't be able to just eat a loss like that
>>689442856>lightsaber antennae
>>689445886The education necessary to get a MBA to become one of those higher-up robs you of common sense alongside turning you into a remorseless sociopath.
>By the time it was in alpha, they hadn't done anything for onboarding OR monetizationIf you're trying to make the next big thing to drain money from suckers, "How to start playing our game" and "Why you should spend money on our game" should be the first fucking things you do, holy shit.
Are we finally driving out of the fog of DEI nonsense and heading to the clearing of a new age of gaming? Are we finally coming home?
>>689445614Haven't listened to the podcast yet so I don't know the details of what he said. But Sony only picked Firewalk up like 2 years ago, so if this game was in dev for 6 years or whatever Sony were only funding roughly 1/3rd of that 400 Million (If game funding works like that), obviously Marketing costs of that 400 were on Sony.
>>689442686>wekek, the nerve of these kikes
>>689445885Every time they suffer a scandal, Blizzard simply announces another lgbtsggnore+ character on Oversoy and the seals applaud and forgive them kek.
>>689437759>there are more expensive games that sony is working on right nowlmao
>>689445181One company I worked for avoided this culture by having quarterly "town hall" meetings where the entire staff was invited to meet with management and raise issues. The week prior to the meeting they'd circulate an email that you could privately respond to with items you wanted on the agenda. The people organizing the meeting compiled all the responses then posted a public agenda for the meeting the week-of. If you didn't see your issue on the agenda, you could still bring it up during the open floor part of the meeting. The agenda usually addressed whatever got mentioned the most in replies to the email, which meant there were always a few things that got left to the open floor. This worked cause it was a medium sized business, fewer than 200 employees. A lot of employees were remote so getting everyone in "the same room" was more about having a good video conference setup than having a big enough space, though the large auditorium area was usually packed.The company never retaliated against employees for speaking uncomfortable truths. Nobody was ever fired or censured or encouraged to leave for offering criticism of management's decisions. Some of the most vocal people in those meetings were people who'd been with the company the longest, and their examples really helped the newer staff speak up.
>>689445614>Colin clarifies that the $400million was purely for the cost of the actual productionHoly fuck how are they this incompetent.>top brass at Sony considered Concord to be "the future of Playstation"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>689446063>internally: god Jim you fucking dumbass that's never going to work you need to change this to that and it'll run perfectly>externally: Hey Jim! Looking good, I can see you're hard at work, I saw that post you made on Instagram man that was hilarious! Hey it looks like the work is coming along nicely but don't work too hard we've got plenty of time!This.
>>689445968He's so mindbroken over the entire Killzone fanbase being on the side of the Helghast that he's become obsessed with pushing anything that could be seen as the opposite (hence him wasting billions of Sony's money trying to make Horizon and Aloy happen when nobody really likes that character or cares about that series). Concord falls firmly in line with that trend. Sony is becoming a casualty in his own personal crusade to distance himself from making the cool space Nazis because he can't deal.
>>689444582There are definitely some who still do, but that's the same for every idiot practice. And they bought you because you had actual capabilities. Tier 1 Euro countries, Germany and France in particular, are a fucking bitch to deal with in regards to employees, the burden rates are ridiculous and people are unable to be fired. When you talk European outsourcing, that normally means Poland where they're incredibly cheap, likely to speak English, white, and under less regulation.
>>689445181Its not possible anymore. Imagine if someone told the artists and designers to fuck off with their shitty characters? The common sense guy would be terminated within a day and forced to issue an apology unless he or she never wants to work in this Industry again. This is why pushing diversity hires and progressive policies has been a catastrophe for every major industry, its done nothing radicalize workers in the wrong way.
>>689445932Based
they also said it was this guy's pet project and that any negativite feedback about the project was not allowed. and he also said his pet project is the future of playstation.he is now the CEO. will he be fired?
>>689438031Think those retard kids that think "i gonna make an MMO and get rich!" and keep pestering you about it if you have any game dev skill, but give it a shitload of money.
>>689445614Revenge for PikameTotal TROON DEATH
>>689442410>calls your ugly art "ugly">WTF WHY ARE THEY ATTACKING US FOR BEING WOKE AND DEI?!?!
>>689439592They're doing a tax write-off; they can't use it to make money at all.
>>689446063"NO NEGATIVITY IN THE DOJO"
>>689445049Different case, fortnite tapped into the pool of players only willing to try a F2P game which consisted of a fuck ton of kids, at the time pubg wasn't free
>>689446564Why can't a studio throw 400 million dollars my way for my pet project? I can make the ultimate coom simulator game that would sell millions.
>>689437759400m seems impossible and colin's got a really shit track record
>>689445049It worked because back then there was no f2p alternative for PUBG so Fortnite managed to fill that niche, and attract all the kids whose parents wouldn't buy them PUBG.
>>689442686
>>689442087https://youtu.be/Wog-z_Esnw4Soul-crushing fake niceness and a complete lack of criticism.
>>689442410The problem with creating a safe space echo chamber for aspiring artists is they eventually have to leave the echo chamber to make money in the real world, and nobody out here is obligated to say nice things or give you money.
>>689442686He was unironically the least of their problems.
>>689437759Those people are dumber than me
>>689446736Let the cope games... BEGIN!
>>689445459>modern cod>great anythingOH LOL
>>689446902Novax bros we live in a society
>>689445968He's just one of many male enablers of this 'toxic positivity' which is really just a synonym for feminization when you get down to it. I don't get a kick out of saying this but it is what it is.
>>689444367top posts seem to be about space marines and the new dmc cartoon
>>689446734You'd be shut down by Visa and Mastercard, who'd strong arm away any platform from selling your product.
>>689438146>they absolutely knew how horrific this flopping would beIf that was the case, they should have at least delayed the game and done some character design reworks. The fact that they still pushed it out despite knowing that there was a possibility of a financial flop should have been cause for those in charge of leading this project to be replaced. They should have also hired people with little to no political biases to make rounds around less restrictive social media sites like Twitter, 4chan and Youtube for common feedback surrounding the game, and use that to determine to how to go about developing it to maximize profits.
>>689439557>Radical Heights lasted 3 months>Rumbleverse lasted 6 months>Babylons Fall lasted under 1 year>Lawbreakers lasted over 1 year>Anthem lasted 2 years>Avengers lasted 2 and a half years>Evolve lasted 3 and a half years>Suicide Squad, Skull and Bones and Foamstars lasted longer but are doomed to die out Truly Hilarious
>>689444485Yes and I also feel the same. Prob my fave gaming podcast (no Colin, Immortals of Aveum was shit). Real sad what happened with Dustin
Imagine if they had release 40 "indie" games instead with that money
>>689446967i mean im enjoying watching this game's failure but math is a real thing19 employees in 2019 only grew to 170 at after 2021.Estimate average salary on the high end for the PNW at 160k you can't even break 200m with that.
>>689437759as a dev i know i am always privvy to the decisions of c-suite execs and their budgets
I am so, so glad I'm not a snoy
>>689446736Okay anon, how much do you think it should have cost(ed)? We'll start using your estimation as the official amount
>>689447267You must not be very good friends with your manager. Having a friendly manager gives you a LOT of insight into why you get asked to do stupid shit.
>>689438671Sony bought the studio making Fairgame$ and it's Jade Raymond's current pet project. They'll have invested a serious amount in it.
>>689439557That's 385 dollars per second.
>>689447070Do they like them?
>>689447369That art style looks familiar, who drew it?
>>689446063You can't say anything negative you can't question anything its fucking perfect and the managers will fire you for thinking other wise.
>>689447220Advertising makes up about half the total budget of AAA games, and you're completely ignoring overhead like office space or the fact that wages are only about a third of what an employee costs the company.
>>689439557heh
>sony lost 400 million dollars because they were too afraid of hurting someone's feelings
>>689441465Toxic positivity, as stated. Nobody wants to be the person that brings up the obvious and risk punishment, perhaps even being labelled a bigot or some such nonsense depending on the criticism, so they all ended up being a bunch of yes men even if they didn't feel that way on the inside.
>>689447138>>Radical Heights lasted 3 monthsWhy did that one flop so badly?
>>689437759Damn it's actually over for Sony Not sure how I feel about a Nintendo monopoly in the console market
>>689441848>How have the japs not forced his faggot, yuropoor, ass to commit sudoku?
>>689447492Dave Cheung
>>689438031>What is it with crappy looking hero shooters costing absurd amounts of money (and flopping so hard they lose all of it)it's not only hero shooters, it's AAA corposlop. There's a whole estructure of useless CEOs HRs and diversity hires that have nothing to do with actual game development. Also the actual devs are incompetent milennials with some bullshit grade about videogames who don't even know how to code.
>>689446736Entertainment products have the same marketing budget as their development budget. We do know the development budget was 200M. so 200 * 2 = 400
>>689437759Please kill snoy, the salt I need it.
>>689447413i am not reading that troon infested sub
>>689447902The board is still in Japan. C suite officers are hired and fired by the board.
>>689447535Considering the marketing push lasted less than 3 months I don't think it could really be more than 50m, realistically labor costs were around 150m. Overhead could be 100m over 8 years, but it's likely to be much lower since they weren't exactly running their offices out of any major real estate for the first 3 years.Idk like im having a hard time conceptualizing 400m being spent on this shit pile
>>689437759If you guys thought how bad PS is this gen, imagine how it will be with the launch of PS6
>>689447138>"Tortanic" is still aroundAPOLOGIZE!
even TORtanic made it's money back eventually
>>689437759If Sony don't stealth cancel Fairgame$ and pretend like it never happened, then they must be smoking actual crack between board meetings.
>>689439557one of the best posts ive seen in years
>>689448268isnt that a ubisoft release? why would sony cancel it?
>>689446063constructive criticism bad, everyone surrounding themselves with yes men, so if there is an actual problem that needs to be addressed, nobody addresses it out of fear of “hurting someone’s feelings”. It doesnt matter if this results in utter failure down the line. They’re only concerned about patting themselves on the back in the present.
>>689448354>isnt that a ubisoft release?No. Snoy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Jp4K02L1I
>>689446063thinking you are too big to fail before you've even released
>>689448354>isnt that a ubisoft release?No. Jade moved on from spreading her legs at Ubisoft to spreading her legs at Sony.
>>689447598Game was a battle royale released in early access in a alpha state with a cash shop and played like shit as it was hastily put together after lawbreakers flopped. It along with lawbreakers sank Cliff Bleszinski and his company.
>>689445181Just hire a bunch of white guys with a passion for vidya and without any liberal art degrees. Also, hire an ideas guy. Gaming was doomed when we started to look down on guys like Todd Howard, Cliffy B and John Romero
>>689439557lmfao
>>689448497i want it to release to we get a new version of the jades game comic
>>689438031Because the development is ordered by MBA suits who know nothing about video games and just see whats popular and tell studios to make that.
>>689448110Never. It was a huge failure that started making money years after the release. It also went f2p faster than Korean shovelvare. And back then journos and normies were still sucking Bioware cock, and Star Wars were still yet to be ruined.>Roland from Poland>Olivia from Bolivia>29:30
>>689444582>Dunno, seems like some companies still do it>My (French) company was bought by an American one, then they fired their entire dev team and put us in chargeThe problem you're not considering is other countries have different worker laws, the US work landscape is mostly always in favor of the company. If they hire people in europe they'd have to be accountable to the laws there which means they can't be as abusive.
>games take HALF A BILLION DOLLARS and a decade to come out nowWhy?
>>689448512>>689448543Cliffy B mind
>>689445181Replace everybody at HR with male accountants and have them only solve payment and holiday related issues.
SNOY IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
>>689447598https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMJF6TXGVEkI mean just look at it?
>>689448543>John Romeroyes>Cliffy Bsure I guess>Todd Howardlol NO
>>689448781Cause game companies are run by financiers and bankers who treat games as investment opportunities and don't understand how the entertainment business works.
>>689442087netflix's business modelthe better question is what does it mean in the context of this boondoggle of a gameit means giving cate blanche to mentally ill leftist transexuals that hide behind a cynical politically correct cloak that not only let's them waste tremendous amounts of money, resources and time producing trash, but also let's them being openly racist and bigoted towards straight white men and anything that might appeal to them by stripping it out of the gameit's some form of new woke homosexual/transexual tyranny in this context, but it's not just happening in video games, it's happening across all media, news, entertainment etc etc it's the capture of western minds, media and attention by communists hell bent on destroying you
>>689437759genuinely insane price for a online only hero shooter
>>689437759This actually may be true if you take into account what Sony paid to acquire firewall studios, as well as market the game160 employees, 8 years dev time, 120k average salary equals 153 million in dev budget.so now the cost to acquire Firewalk and market the game would need to cost another 250m to reach the budget of 400mDoesn't sound too outlandish honestly. I certainly hope it's true anyways, because it would be fucking hilarious. I hope we get official confirmation on the budget but I doubt we ever will. Sony will want to hide that as much as they can
I kept saying it cost $400m, because sony bought the studio before the even made a single game. Now with this info and taking into the purchase of the incompetent studio that has zero titles under their belt it's well over half a billion set on fire because the don't want to give straight guys want they want.
>>689437759>Executives will rather do a 400 million in investment into a project that fits their morals and ideas than to pander to incel child'sThis is not the win you think it is. KEKAROOOO
>>689448781many such cases
>>689442686I look like this
>>689449157Incel chuds*
Reminder modern Sony would rather pour 400 million into dogshit like this than any of their legacy IPs.
>>689449147>120k average salaryFirewalk are some of the most expensive devs, per head, that work for Sony. You might as well double that salary average, considering they are based out of Bellevue Washington where the average salary is over 200k.
>>689448781combination of many factors, first off making AAA games are just expensive now, you have to hire a lot of people to get shit done, those assets and animations takes time and effort to make.Add shitty management ontop of that, which makes budgets balloon because of redundant work, constantly trying to change the projects and other stuff like that, it's rampant in all tech nowadays.Finally, just a case of investors demanding constant growth which means focusing onto fewer more expensive projects, Sony also wanted to spin this off into a whole ass universe causing a lot of frankly pointless work to be done
>>689445557I do, but can't find an ad free way to watch youtube on my tvIf I extrapolate how much they ramped up the ad spam there then god save those boomers who only want to read the news and solve sudokus
>>689448781Hate to be that guy but... Competency Crisis
>>689439497thought this too
>>689449147he said in the video that the 400mil does not include the cost to acquire Firewalk, thats still unknown, the 400mil was just fo the development.
do you think a single person got fired for this?
where do sony go from here? think they'll cancel their other GaaSlop or they don't give a fuck because they know they'll still make money by selling 800 dollaridoos consoles to their braindead paypigs?
>>689437759>$400 million for a small corridor hero shooter with limited roster of heroes and mapsthis doesn't compute? was it a money laundering scheme?
>>689438962>150-170 employeesSo what are they doing right now? Just sitting around playing BG3 while bleeding sony's money?
>>689449302Every game needs to be a blockbuster. Line must go up at an increasing rate. There is no room for modest double A games.
>>689437759it didn't cost 400, they're lying about the numbers because it's a write off.
>>689449559everyone still at firewalk are gonna get fired, the management that pushed for this clear dud is getting golden parachutes and put Sony even more in the red
THE GOYIM KNOWSSHUT IT DOWN
>>689449443dont fucking remind meevery time i cooked and tried using my yt playlists it was 2-3 ads per fucking song
>>689444608Common sense guys get fired. Just watched the interview with two common sense guys that worked on that titan submersible and they both got shitcanned for going against the CEO. These people can't handle the truth so they remove the truth from the equation.
>>689449559
>>689447996I can't blame you, maintaining sanity is important.
>>689449147>>160 employees, 8 years dev time, 120k average salary equals 153 million in dev budget.A couple things wrong with this. 1) Firewalk wasn't even founded as a studio until 2018, so they weren't paying anyone a salary for all of the "8 years of development", at most it was 6 years, but probably less because I doubt the company opened up with all of its staff ready to go day 1.2) 160 employees =/= 160 developers. A staff that small, maybe 120 at most are developers. Possibly less, depending on how big the other divisions of Firewalk are (legal, accounting, marketing, etc). 3) Not all developers are programmers and don't command the same high salary. Artists and musicians are part of the "game dev" teams, but they're not getting paid software dev salaries. 4) Firewalk is based out of Bellevue, Washington, one of the most expensive areas outside of Silicon Valley / the Bay Area in California. Senior developer salaries in Bellevue can get as high as $400,000/y. We also have word that Firewalk's devs were some of the highest paid in Sony's stable of studios, so you can bet their salaries are toward the upper end of that Bellevue scale.
>>689449774>steps downseems like he "got quit"not as good as a firing.they need to send a message for huge fuckups like this.
>>689447492the guy who did those guro comics you're thinking of.
>>6894377598 years, adverts, and fucking animation episodes? I can see it costing 400 mil and then some.
>>689449147>8 years dev time,Why do you people keep repeating this dumb number?Firewalk was founded in 2018 you absolute retards. The studio is literally only 6 years old.
>>689449910Nothing short of public executions and humiliation rituals would be enough at this point I'm afraid
>>689449774If "mass layoffs" is corporate for "we're shutting this shit down entirely and throwing you all out on the sidewalk," then I can see it.
>>689449789>I can't blame you, maintaining sanity is important.Brother he's not going to read it because it will corrupt him, you know the penalty for heresy.
>>689437759OFFICALLY WORSE THAN E.T.BIGGEST FLOP IN GAMING HISTORYTORtanic is OVER, it's Costa Concordia time
imagine if they instead put that 400 million towards a new monster rancher game
>>689450056Hermen Hulst must cut his belly at second base of the next Tokyo Giants game to salvage his honor. Shawn Layden can be his second.
>>689444557why is catbox down litter is too
>>689450225>Shawn Layden can be his secondkekBased Harakiri anon
>>689449774The entire studio deserves to get shut down, even the headempty code monkeys are fucking assholes.
>>689450201ET was never even a flop. It's just the videogame bubble was at its peak and when it didn't sell as well as the bubble demanded it just crashed it all.
>>689441876I wanna get raped by that Rhino.
>>689442675I think I heard somewhere it'll still show up.
>>689450319They got paid enormous salaries for years to basically jerk themselves off.
>>689449495Not in this case, though it's from a different division of Snoy go find the emails that leaked from sony's movie division. You'll get an idea of the sort of executives they hire and those people are boomer age.
>>689450392Swtor wasn’t a flop either, it made bank and is still getting expansions.Concord is on an entirely different plane of existence in terms of flop.
>>689439875>For this to be true Sony must have thought they were going to sell AT LEAST 12-13 million copies.Nah, probably not even 10% of that, at least not in year 1. It was priced at $40 in imitation of Overwatch, and was planning on skins and other MTX bringing in the bulk of the game's revenue. That's what these types of games really are about, serving as a platform for continuous revenue from a core of dedicated players (whales) who spend lavishly on cosmetic content. The really baffling thing is why they kept the price tag at $40 when even the game they were imitating, Overwatch, switched to F2P model to stay competitive. Was it idiocy? Greed?
>>689441465They paid people to tell them what they wanted to hearNot going to hold it against them, getting paid to just fabricate wathever information they want sounds chill
>>689445995Anon, they had a line of "legendary skins" lined up. There was absolutely going to be a cash shop for cosmetics and the like.
Completely worth it. Some really wonderful progressive people got to support their families and their local communities. They got to travel the world. They got to support charities. They got to adopt pets. Not everything is about the bottom line. The Concord devs were HUMAN BEINGS. They needed to food and shelter and clothing. They needed to pay their student loans and their credit cards. Not to mention, I guarantee some groundbreaking art and programming techniques came out of the development of a game so advanced and expansive. That kind of knowledge gain doesn't happen in a vacuum. People will be using these techniques for years to come on other projects.
>>689450201Comparing it to Costa Concordia is unfair because people actually showed up for the latter
>>689445181Weird anecdote but I just went mini golfing with work. 10 teams, my team was all highly competitive young guys and a middle aged poo, but he's OK.There was compliments paid but the majority was shit talking and pressure to not suck. We all thought we were doing bad and the worst was taking 4 hits to get it in you'd get laughed at. Our team came in 1st place.You can't beat the competitiveness of bros with fake fee fees.
>>689446063>Repeated warnings from design engineers voicing concerns about the lack of evidence of the O-rings' safety when the temperature was below 53 °F (12 °C) had been ignored by NASA managers>The Challenger accident has been used as a case study for subjects such as engineering safety, the ethics of whistleblowing, communications and group decision-making, and the dangers of groupthink
>>689450251wow. they went after itWalz that cunt. no more free speech for you
>>689437759https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-dao5lXfzE
Give it to me straight /v/. Does Sony survive this? Keep in mind that they have more retarded DEI games on the way that have been in development costing substantial amounts of money. Marathon is supposed to be another one of these games as a service types and we know its guaranteed that execs told Bungie to shoehorn in DEI woke shit. This has to be it. Sony is finished for sure this time. Its crazy to think a few retarded women, trannies and execs can bring down the most iconic video game console brand of all time but yet here we are in the day of our lord 2024. I think I am done with gaming entirely anyways. Porn and sex are way better than video games and I spent the majority of my young adulthood doing that rather than indulging in games. I honestly got sick of games even back in the mid point of the 10s so its no big loss to me if Microsoft ends up consuming all of this industry like what seems will happen.
>>689443773>no
>>689442087Imagine having to constantly be around women and the women get to make all decisions and you can't say noEvery idea a woman has is a good ideaEvery time the woman speaks she is rightWhen a woman makes a mistake it's just a tiny oopsie When you grow worried about the direction women are taking things in you are told to shut upIf you have a problem with any of them you get fired
>>689446736Besides the BB rumor, he generally has good sources.
>>689451104One could truly hope that snoy takes it's final breath soon but nothing good ever happens.
how do i do that? i want 200 million to release a game that gets shut down in 2 weeksplease
>>689450787The struggle is keeping a competitive atmosphere without making it cutthroat. But of course, women and feminized men hate any sort of competitiveness and find it "stressful". Women are passive, after all. They think they deserve to get the same bonuses and raises as the most productive person on the team, despite the fact that they do nothing but sit around and wait to be told what to do and never do more than the bare minimum. Flattening out salaries and getting rid of performance-based raises is just a race to the bottom as far as quality and productivity is concerned, and burns money like nothing else. You're forced to raise salaries for everyone to keep the best people satisfied or else they will leave for a place that rewards competence and productivity. But if you do that, they quickly realize they don't have to actually be productive or carry everyone else's slack, and will simply lower their output to the lowest common denominator at the company. Race to the bottom.
>>689445398Wtf he looks like he could be my dads brother.Or maybe it's just the old photo characteristics and I'm just so used to seeing shitskins.
>>689451104>Does Sony survive this?In the short term they will, but in the long term who's to say? Microsoft is still recovering from the XBO disaster a decade later.
>>689451108>eggs
>>689447182Yeah not many other gaming podcasts I like. Colin is just an interesting guy to listen to talk about anything. Dustin is a true gamer and has good takes. Chris I think has always been a bit stiff, he never seemed to be 100% natural on SS for some reason, but I do like the trio.Some of the peripheral people who show up on the other shows are cringe, specifically ben and hoeg.
>>689442686He proved his point by getting 170 employed people fired, you don't get to call them lazy
>>689449661Waiting for his latest copium meltdown on twitter.
>>689449573They get bailed out by the American and Japanese taxpayers
>>689438358
>>689437759I still can't believe Colin was pressured to leave Kinda Funny because he said "Ah. Peace and quiet" when people on twitter did that A day without a woman hashtag kekit was so mild and silly. it was extremely clear the industry just wanted to eat him because he's a libertarian. libertarians are retarded but he didn't really bring it into his journalism at all and he was the only redeemable part of Kinda Funny. I haven't kept up with him but he had based taste on Kinda Funny.
>>689449149Even if was straight guys the game would still flop miserably.The main retarded idea was "we want to make a overwatch".Retarded people that don't see the pile of bodies under overwatch and never learn.
>>689451104Corporations just don't fail anymore, they just continually borrow since money is created out of thin airSony could make 100 more flops and still nothing would happen. Belief in endless fake profits is the only thing keeping the western world afloat
>>689437759That doesn't even make sense since Star Wars isn't even popular anymore.
Sony has another looter shooter coming out too called FairGame$. Very similar to Concord. DEI out the ass and the motto of the game is >burn the rich
>>689438031Seriously, can't they just make a hero shooter with a cast of middle school girls/boys in skimpy outfits?
>>689441876even the black dude is cool, how long took to make that? that slop is more appealing than their diarrhea, it even has coony and waifurs
>>689451826It's Overwatch meets Guardians of the Galaxy, bro. How could it not be the biggest hit in the universe in current year of 2016?
>had enough lulz about this, lets see my local goyslop news>open tab, see pic relatedThe internet algorithms just really hate snoy, huh?
>>689439557Dear lord
Why would the insider know how much it costs? I am a software dev. I have zero insight into any of our companies financials.
>>689437759Star wars like potential = the potential to bankrupt a company worth billions of dollars that has been an industry leader for decades
>>689451826If it tried to appeal to straight men it would have at least gotten suicide squad numbers. Instead it got nothing lmao
>>689451987have you tried asking?
>>689451104I would expect they give up on the California jews way of running Sony and go back to Japan way of running it, and if that's too much to ask, then they would just cut their loses and kiss goodbye to the sony entertainment department as a whole, meaning no more playstation.
>>689451365Microsoft isn't recovering at all. They're just digging their grave in other ways now.
>>689452021To be honest, i think the best chance this game would had is if it was a single player game, and with actual black people writing it.Like letting the dog nigga guy do the fuck he want with it.
>>689451826>Even if was straight guys the game would still flop miserably.It would have failed but it would have at least lasted a few months, probably, if it had made some effort to capture the straight male ("chud") audience. Concord failed because it's a $40 hero shooter released 8 years after that was a good idea.Concord failed in 11 days because it wasn't made for anyone, had no audience, and showed contempt for the primary market segment that actually plays the type of game it made.
>>689439557That means that my psychical copy of concord have a million dollars of value?
>>689452035I wouldn't even know who to ask. We have a project manager, but they never discuss finances either and I doubt know our salaries. We have a manager, but capital expenses go above his head. We have accountants, but I never spoken to one (work remotely).
>>689437759Go woke go bro...minus 400 mil isn't broke - the tenant I kicked out was broke - this is far beyond broke.
>>689442087>what does toxic postivity even mean?It means when you are not being critical of obvious mistakes someone else is making or siding with the most obvious bad people ever. It is a harmful type of encouragement when it is obvious as daylight that a goal, an ideal is not going to work.
>>689443975>The Six Million Dollar Ma'am
>>689452218Just go up to one of them during your water cooler break and say you're curious how much money has been spent on the project as a whole.
>>689451918Splatoon with unique characters?
>>689438031Overwatch made so much money off cosmetics alone it enabled these companies to go full retard mode and just wanted the end result without worrying about how blizzard spent years and underwent genre changes to get to that point. Really spoiled behavior that the world owes them gorillions of dollars for not even following the recipe correctly.
>400 million >if they gave me 0.001 of that it would have set me up for life
In case you're wondering how insane this shit truly isall these movies had a smaller budget than concord
>>689452497you gotta take inflation into account
>>689438031Triple the staff of what's needed, most of them useless DEI hires. Lots of women - anyone who worked in a majority female office knows what I mean. Toxic positivity - no criticism of anything or anyone even when it's absolutely warranted and necessary. Imagine the woke urban californian caricatures from memes: real people quite like that hired en masse who make vidya for twitter, not gamers.And the cherry on top is clueless executives whom never played a game in their life.
>>689443773NO
>>689452497Grim.
>>689452410Yes, and pantyshots
>>689451702yeah, colin was ok, down to earth guy with no bullshit approach. on the other hand I couldn't stand greg miller since his ign gig, he's such a phony faggot. thank god elon bought twitter, you can say (almost) whatever you want now without getting banned.
>>689450765Eyesocket rape
>>689449012He's a soi-farting beta cuck.
>>689452021>it would have at least gotten suicide squad numbers. Instead it got players commiting suicide to get the platinum trophy
>>689443075>$400M for the game>$200M for the studioThey could have actually rebuild this thing. All down the shitter in not even 2 weeks. Incredible.
>>689452881>thank god elon bought twitter, you can say (almost) whatever you want now without getting banned.and completely destroyed its value and his credibility
>>689439557Kek
>>689441465>A janitor could accidentally walk by the design room and could have told them it was shit.
>>689452939and that's without counting marketing (which includes merch production costs)
>>689453074he's on a path to become worlds first trillionaire. keep seething, elon hater.
>>689452645NTA but Concord was made around 2018 if we assume the studio started its development after their ebstablishment. You can count that into inflation, which Concord might cost around 500 million dollars.
>>689452924>concord is now filled with playersgonna just stop you there buddy
>>689439557Amazing how the numbers align
>>689441876I'd keep these
>>689451924I type in Bing ai all the prompt I imagine and hope that one of the 4 images is as close to what I imagine and sometimes they are cooler. At least 10 minutes if the AI is stupid and can't create the design.
>>689452924>Instead it got players commiting suicide to get the platinum trophyAnd then Sony took that away from them as they DELETED the game from their console.
>>689453370Nice taste
>>689442591Cute face but the rest of the design is shit
>>689437759>>689452739>constructive criticism is villainizedDobson's influence (literally) expands across multi-billionaire studios.
>>689453535Afro is such a trash hairstyle, i have no idea why it was even a thing.
>>689441876>you will never EVER have a cute ai slop vampire gf
>>689450251Werks for me
>>689438115Concord was always going to be Jewish DEI agenda driven slop. Their symbol is literally right in front of your faces. This might be a lot worse than we think. It might even be purposefully sabotage to bring Sony to its knees.
>>689438031Money launderingThere weren't even any trailers or hype built for this until 6 months prior to release with 1 fucking trailer. It was money laundering. Nobody actually thought this shit was going to be popular, but convincing some retards to keep working by telling them that was a convenient front to launder money. There is simply no way 400,000,000 US dollars were spent on this.
>>689449774do people not used the word "FIRED" anymore?
>>689445181Aggressively gatekeep politicsfags and dramafags so criticism is looked at completely as a design thing and not a personal attack
>>689442686>woke Nah, the cattle are true believers but the kikes know exactly what they are doing. DEI for thee but not for (((me))).
>>689452120Yeah I do feel as though they aren't really trying. I should have said "recovering" in heavy quotations. it is fucking insane to me that both Sony and Microsoft actively try to do every single possible thing they can do other than make a healthy output of games and other financially sound decisions. Third party used to do it for them but third party is doing terrible right now so they're not used to these current circumstances I guess.
>>689449591Group therapy, dancing their names, going to the woods to scream at trees, having sit ins where they complain about gamers, the usual.
>>689451918Honestly, if I were to make a hero shooter I'd just make everyone mages/wizards/spell casters of some sort. The entire cast would be the most stereotypical characters played entirely straight. Instead of needing ammo for your guns, you need mana to cast your spells>Generic wizard with a wide brimmed hat and a staff that spams Magic Missile and Firebolt>Hideous green witch who can fly on a broom and cast spells>Elite archmage that can cast god-like magic and wipe entire fields of enemies but needs to charge for several seconds>Necromancer that can create a skeleton army and cast a spell that causes the skeletons to focus on the target>Pyromancer that has a flamethrower and can reflect projectiles>Geomancer that can charge up boulders to deal insane damage at a distance>Hydromancer that can heal his allies and grant them a water bubble for temporary invincibility>Aeromancer that is incredibly fast and has a double jump
>>689453692I actually like some afros (although I imagine they're less pleasant irl)
>>689451104The GAAS push was always such an obviously bad fucking idea that I genuinely hope so, I hope this kills them. I'm glad microshit died as well.
>>689446264You guys do realize the only reason DEI exists is because the rich folk got worried about the OWS protests, right? They wanted poor folk to fight amongst themselves and ignore them stealing our future. If DEI dies off, it will only be because they found another way to distract the cattle.
>>689445364kek, underrated
>>689446816its insane how cdproject red was able to salvage that disaster of a launch for cyber punk
>>689439557You just know they haven't learned a goddamn thing. Just watch them do it again.
>>689442892meme magic is real
>>689437759No way they put almost half a bill into this shit.
>>689453706She is my daughter wife
>>689453706Why live?
>>689454214>Hot goth girl in the comics>Liveaction counterpart is a niggress with an afroMan i fucking despise these Deadpool slop movies.
>>689447138How long did battleborn lasted?
>>689438031It cost trillions to hire Sweet Baby Inc and for them to not cancel your company.
>>689454361Around 5 years
>>689441465The janitor would be working-class filth in their minds, so they'd think him saying it bad would be a positive. They'd then sip their chocolate soelent from their hammer and sickle mugs while wearing their Che Guevara t-shirts.
>>689439557S tier post right there, concord is the gift that keeps on giving
>>689447138Honestly this just reads like most zoomers top ten video games of all time. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
>>689437759>$400m
>>689439294oh yeah im sure hes horrified and cowering inside his golden yacht
>>689442437>All that dumb faggot had to do was make more Killzone.We could have quite literally got the games ported over to PlayStation and probably even one or two more brand new Killzones on top of that hell you could even throw in Resistance being revived. All of that for the same price it cost to make this shit game. Do you enjoy modern gaming /v/?
>>689438031The nature of these multiplayer live service stuff is very expensive. Electricity, sever maintaining and budget for updates, added contents, etc. SWTOR looked like an extremely outdated mmo in the 90s and it costed over 200 million to make.
>>689445181Nothing short of what Elon Musk did: fire 90% of the staff.
It's all just a way to get jewish investor's money to their good goy dei cattle. Everyone who worked on it got paid by the hour, why do they care.
>>689437759Well it is the future of Playstation if they continue their live service delusions
>>689447138Evolve lasted a lot longer than I would have thought. Hardly qualifies as a failure at that point, although I didn't think it was a very good game personally.
>>689439557Well done, anon, here's the (You).
>>689452887tfw you know she'd want Kuro to try it at some point or another with how lewd she is
>>689439557holy shit my sides
>>689453923Firing =/= laying off. It's an important distinction in job interviews, when you get asked "and why are no longer working for [company name]?" A layoff means you were let go primarily for budgetary / financial reasons not directly tied to your performance or behavior. Being fired means you were let go because your boss wasn't happy with you as an employee, either because you violated rules, didn't work to expectations, were generally incompetent, etc. A firing is a black mark on your resume, whereas you can put a company that laid you off on your resume as a reference and expect them to give you a good review, as long as you left on good terms. Being fired is bad for employees, it makes it hard to find another job in the same industry and can even impact ability to get unemployment benefits. So companies that fire people, rather than laying them off or allowing them to "voluntarily separate", tend to garner a bad reputation and in turn have a harder time attracting talented people.
>>689437759>400 millionDo you guys realize that this literally makes it not only the BIGGEST FLOP IN GAMING but also the literal BIGGEST FLOP OF ANY MEDIUM EVER MADE?The biggest movie bomb lost around 196 million.
>>689439557My sides
>>689447138>TORtanic has lasted more years than Concord did days
>>689453923even at the end, these people are shielded from criticism. "Fired" means you did something wrong. "Laid off" just means sexist chuds sabotaged your game by not buying it
next up on the list:
>>689455313Stop trying to deflect, Snoy-chan.
>>689454283https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqIqSi3iy8Y
>>689442591just 1 feature away from suitable perfection
>>689453692Because blacks can't do fuck else with their terrible hair
>>689455313not applicablethere's no DEI shit in deadlock
>>689455047if i cost my company $400 million, i feel like the word "fired" is more adpt
>>689451702They had a good Siskel and Ebert dynamic. Imagine stabbing the Penn to your Teller in the back like that. Greg Miller is the scum of the earth.
>>689443475We've had, give or take, 100% inflation since 2019. Prices for nearly everything have doubled, or nearly doubled, since then. I found an old receipt from November 2019 - $90 at Costco - and the exact same products today costed $160 at Costco.Some sectors of the economy have seen a similar % increase in employee wages. Most haven't, but software developers have more or less had to because housing prices have doubled. You can't work on Sloppa Game 3 for just $80k/year anymore because you have to spend $60k/year on housing alone.
TOTAL AMERICANS DEATH
>>689455313Valve is just built different, anon. It won't happen.
>>689455418Based and clownpilled
>>689454895Evolve was kinda like a mutiple times-failure. They launched it, failed then shutdown. Then they gave it another shot, reopened it for a short time only to meet the same result. Evolve's mistake was that, both the playerbase and the devs themselves thought Left 4 Dead was a good game so Evolve will be a good game. No it isn't, Left 4 Dead is just an extremely repettitive co-op game that got lucky and carried by community-made contents such as mods, custom pvp servers, etc. Evolve was doomed from the start.
>>689439557Meme magic
>>689455548people said the same about artifact
>>689448781What's insane to me is that the end result of all this investment was just some shitty hero shooter, like I don't see why Concord couldn't have come out around 2018 or 2019.
>>689455456Notable figures outside of Kinda Funny unironically claimed Colin was a nazi. 2018 was just turbo retarded and none of those retards are ever gonna face repercussions. They conveniently probably don't even remember doing it.
>>689455446Yes, in this case, being fired would be warranted, but there is a lot of ass-covering that goes on in this industry. Nobody likes to create hard feelings etc, it's why there's so many incompetents still finding work.
You people realize that this is all just money laundering, right?
>>689455676If a game takes this long to develop, it probably got rebooted several times
>>689455446The main person who should be fired is the leadership. The studio lead, the director of Concord, maybe a few other people with high-level say-so on the project. The rest of the staff could be laid off, as their only real sin was "following orders", and while that's not exactly the same thing as being innocent, it's not the Nuremburg trials, and simply losing their job and being forced to put "Concord, Firewalk studios" on their resume for the last several years of work history is punishment enough for them.The leadership, though, should be tarred and feathered.
>>689452497>In case you're wondering how insane this shit truly is>all these movies had a smaller budget than concordI mean if there is on thing that vastly overpaid it's actors and they're some of the largest costs on a movie, that and the absolute dogshit CGI.
>>689455446To be honest if I cost ANY company $400 I'd expect somebody to fucking murder me quite literally. I'd be scared to even close my eyes to take a nap for five minutes.
APOLOGIZE
>>689438031Having a sibling that has had the chance (or misfortune, rather, even as high of a post as he held he felt unable to shake things around), although I think people can guess as much, there is no stopping marketeers chasing the golden goose, even if that goose dries out within a few years.I don't remember how much time Concord took to develop, but I think I heard somewhere around 7 years (or was it Hyenas, I don't remember). Flash back to Year 1 of development, or 2017, Overwatch's just a year old and "on top of its game".I think Concord, Hyenas, and possibly Fairgame$ ought to be a wake up call to all marketing teams that the time it takes to develop a game is hardly fit for trend chasing. It's kind of just silly to tell people to just let the dev team make a good game, and with the wrong parameters it obviously won't be sufficient to generate enough revenue for the suits to be happy, but still.They unfortunately can't just stick to making games that cost peanuts, appeal to a demographic, sell a million or a couple, and be done with it. They always want to go deeper.Other companies are so poorly managed from the inside that "healing" is impossible. If you think pettiness and whimsically foolish financial ever stops once you're dealing with enough money, you are sorely mistaken. In a completely different subject, i've learned from coworkers that 300K were spent in an internship program for a farming goods formation. The problem? The internship requires a proof that you are handicapped. Any market study would have rejected such a hard work for half broken, half lazy people. But the director's son thought it'd be nice, so the money was spent and unsurprisingly, very few people answered the call or made it past a few weeks of formation.
>>689455835Making a shit product doesn't always mean money laundering, anon...
>>689437759>this was Herman Hulst's baby, he was a massive champion of the gameenjoy your new CEO sonyfagsthis guy is your tastemaker
>>689437759Credits are over an hour longI think this game really did cost that much
>>689449443>can't find an ad free way to watch youtube on my tvhdmi from pc to tv
>>689455896Nigger I don't even remember which one of the failures this was
>>689455892*400 million kek
>>689455873>The studio lead, the director of Concord, maybe a few other people with high-level say-so on the project.kek, those rats are already abandoning the ship, quitting before they can be fired. It means forgoing a severance package but that might be worth it to avoid being held responsible.
>>689437759Fuck this lying cunt their is no way it costed 400 million its a fucking live service arena shooter made by a small studio owned my a small publisher who owned like 3-4 studios who didn't even have 200 million to go between all studios around till 2022. sony bought concord last fucking year their is no way on earth they spent 400 million in less then a year no they did not pay 400 million for the studio sony did not have the acquisition budget for it along with all the other stuff they aquired tyou can't even say sony spent it on advertising because that shit was already being done before sony even bought the game. seriously any research at all tells you this guy is a lying faggot.
>>689455896Fuck no
imagine if every character cost 10 million to design, that would be 100,000,000. This is insane
>>689454336source?
>>689453074>deleting our censorship is destroying credibility Keep coping while he is getting richer and richer.
>>689449552in that case I kind of doubt the number
>>689456059It’s joever trannyYou had weeks to accept it
>>689455892i worked at a bank and missing $100 was grounds for an investigationand $400 is lawsuit territory
>>689453909If this is the case where did the money go to?
concord is pretty good after the update I've been playing on the servers they kept online for elite gamersits got all the crafting and lots of colorfol characters and even some skulls and zombieseverything a kid likes
>>689455947Ngl, after seeing the art director's works, no wonder the character designs ended up that repulsive. He has drawing skill but none of the appeal.
>>689438146>>689441651>>689441997>>689443362>>689447105I have a """"right side of history""" account that only follows these types of games and journos and media and so and so and so on to every once in a while get the context through their lenses.I kid you not, that account gets all sorts of ads of games on par with Concord's ideological compass, and I didn't get any ads for Concord anyways despite getting some for Spiritfarer and even Dustborn and some other weird AF games.Either marketing fucked up real bad and started real late or adsense got confused and started to diversify too darn much with their allocated time for ads they paid for.In my main "chud" account I got Concord ads... For the special edition controller... A cousin of mine thought Concord was a movie like spider-verse or something. He's a minor so it's not surprising, he's glued to CoD day and night.Another cousing on par with my age thought it had already released a few months back but he's a Battlefield 1 chad so he didn't give a fuck and at best played OW 1 a few times back when the craze was high.The point is, idk to who exactly did they market this game for. Can anyone else confirm or deconfirm if they went through a similar experience?, I am still confused.
>>689456278marketing probably.
>>689456231Nigger I hate the fucking game I just think that a dude telling obvious lies about it is fucking retarded
>>689439557Capped for posterity.
>>689438358Grummz is retarded, I get the points he makes but god, ever since "that" event a few months back his ego has gone through the roof and he's sperging too damn much like autists here, believing himself the voice agains these types of ideas, I almost called him a containment breaker once. Dude's nearly a /pol/fag
>>689456278Don't know but there is no way you spend 400,000,000 USD on a project you think is star wars 2 and then you barely market it, don't push it anywhere, you just don't drop it like a hot heavy shit on Sunday morning, you pull the trumpets out and roll out the red carpet, there is no way.
>>689439557Ahahahahahahah
>>689456370they never marketted it at all as far as i can tell i never heard of it until the servers were shut off and the media was amazed at how much money was "lost"my theory is that it was meant to fail to write off a bunch of money on paper on some sony balance sheetyou've seen The Producers right? (the original)
>>689456558/pol/ is always right in the end tho
>>689455096>John Carter (2012) – Disney poured around $350 million into production and marketing, but the film only grossed $284 million worldwide, leading to a reported loss of about $200 million.according to chatGPT
>>689455852Can soft-confirm that's pretty much how the creative process goes for some things.A shame none of that was out of passion and instead went into marketing research for the most artificial thing they can muster in hopes for a profit rather than a strive to make a good product..
>>689442524It's a bubble if I'm being real with you.Usually the software they make doesn't make that many returns, a lot of money laundering is going on there. Wouldn't surprise me if Concord was half-way one or they knew it was fucked and started processing bux through it to get something out of an imminent failure.
>>689455896Why? i want those things to die, including the original one
>>689456098Vanitas no Carte
>>689456801can chatGPT explain hollywood accounting to you?the original Star Wars film still hasn't turned a profit.. its all a hustle to not pay out any royalties
>>689455313Deadlock might kill dota
>>689456684Fucking love ter's loli exhibitionism stuff
>>689456632But the execs seriously thought it was going to be on the level of Star Wars. Jim Ryan also rushed to retire. Something isn't adding up here. It definitely had to cost Sony at least a hundred million.
>>689456278The dude is making shit up sony didn't even own the game for a year their is no way the spent 400 million dollars on it in that time Its so absurd as to make its budget one of the largest if not the largest in video game history.
>>689456997Doubt it
>>689456997>Deadlock and Dota will collab oftenMakes more sense
>>689457050Yeah fine 100 but 400? It doesn't even look like it cost 400 million. Spiderman 2 cost 350 million according to leaked emails and you can at least see where some of that money went. Even if you take the shitty character design out it does not look like it cost that much. Where did the money go is an excellent fucking question because it doesn't look like it went to the game. Alan Wake 2 cost 50 million and it looks better than Concord, not just design wise but overall it looks really good, where did the 400 million go, I want to know because it looks a few steps above a fucking phone game. Games that are literally free look better than Concord, there are probably mods for old games that look better than Concord.
>>689455947>Check it out>Not only is it real, but they also programmed buttons to zoom in, cheer, and wipe the screen>A button to cheer for staff members
>>689457376I won't be surprised if in a few months a few people get sued for money laundering or misallocating funds or something equally retarded like giving them away to a political campaign or worse yet, some random gal they liked.
>>689454206make it with AI anon, it will sell millions kek
>>689455947>>689457559Before thread diesJust in case anyone thinks I'm bullshittinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfbu0De0oBU
>>689457931*celebrates u*
You would think they'd be willing to stick it out longer than 2 weeks if this was the case
>>689455947>>689457559>>689437759Anon, look at the fucking credits for the game.THEY LAST MORE THAN A FUCKING HOUR!!!LOOK!!!I'm not kidding.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfbu0De0oBUThey literally defenestrated half of the PS HQ to get this game going.They really believed this was going to BTFO Overwatch, CoD, all the chud games, all the "good" games, become a franchise forever remembered and at least referenced everywhere like Halo or Gears (who?).Instead... We remember it for all the wrong reasons, and it's probably deserved.
