>Is better than every GOTY nominee in your path
Said OP
>>694974336Eh it's about on the same level as dream but not as good as superstar saga or bowsers inside story.
>>694974452But Bowser's Inside Story is worse than all of those.
I hate the plug characters they're designs are so generic and forgettable they also look very low poly and seem like upscaled 3ds models.A lot of the enemy designs are quite generic aswell.
also has the best soundtrackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q5gIEFdwPo
it's not even the best game in its own series
>>694974618Did you post the wrong pic?
>>694974336soulless
>>694974618This game is only better than paper jam
Mario games have been pretty mediocre since odyssey
>>694974336>flops badly on arrivalkek
>>694974336Tendies on suicide watch after Nintendo released nothing but shovelware slop this year Kek
>>694974714>title screen keeps changing as the game goes on>new dialogue from every NPC after all major story events including the 95% on currently irrelevant islands with their little storylines going on>sidequest-only NPCs show up during the epilogue to see you off if you've done their sidequests>several moments where you can choose between multiple options, ranging from tangible consequences to just slightly different scenarios and flavor text>keeps continuity and character development from previous games, from Luigi's courage and treatment, to Starlow and Bowser's odd relationship, to Bowser's bond with his minions and Bowser Jr's longing for friendship>gameplay gimmicks are integrated into boss fights as Luigi Logic moments as opposed to having entirely gimmick battles like giant and papercraft ones>the bouncy and detailed animation work>the whole part at "Peach's Castle">Bowser not being shoehorned in as the final boss but still getting a trademark new form for his boss fight earlier in the gameThis game is oozing soul from every facet. You'd know if you played it.
ew is that gameplay? You need voice acting, celebrity cameos and LGBT characters to win GOTY
>>694974712True. Superstar is definitely the best one.I noticed that a lot of new fans jumped in with BiS and never played the previous two.
>>694974336forced soul
>>694975740BIS is the best-selling game in the series with more than double the sales of the next best-selling one. You can expect some people who say it's the best one not to have played any other.
>>694975740Superstar is slop compared to BrothershipI don't think I'll ever play it again, if new games keep getting better like this.
>>694974336Been playing it for 2 days straightThe beginning was very boring but it got the ball rolling after that and the game is honestly VERY good, i'm legit surprised
>>694975959LmaoAre you 12 or something?Did you also love Echoes of Boredom?
>>694976647Echoes of Wisdom was great.... it seems like you just have shit taste.
>>694974618overrated>>694974712my main issue with this game is that its too short, wouldn't want it as long as DT or brothership but a bit longer wouldn't hurt
>>694976647The biggest problem with Superstar Saga is that the battle system breaks itself in half after Chucklehuck Woods.>on your way to learning advanced chopper and knockback bros>great force is now available, bonus ring will be obtained on the way>bros rock badge is a free 20 pow, pretty decent before mush badges are available and can be sold later on to buy mushroomsYou no longer need to do regular fights because bosses die in 2-3 turns from the massive damage you do. I'm not saying that the other games are good about remaining balanced either, but it's usually toward the end of the game that they break and not before the halfway point.
>>694974618that isn't mutually exclusive to what OP said
Every copy of Mario & Luigi Brothership is personalized.
>>694979247what happens if you say yes?
People are souring on and dropping this game in its extremely dragged-out and repetitive final stretch. Why did they design it like that?
>>694975565>title screen>dialogue>NPCs talking to you>story continuity>animation workThis isn't a movie, why would I care about any of these? Literally the only point that was even relevant was the one time you actually talked aboutt he gameplay, and to be honest, it's mostly middling. It doesn't do anything better than any other M&L game, and actually suffers a bit from the more recent installments and the habits they introduced.
>>694981315Tbf anon was replying to the accusation of "soulless" so presentation aspects are relevant.
>>694981315Because by "soul" 99% of /v/ means shit irrelevant to gameplay and mainly the little details.>It doesn't do anything better than any other M&L gameVery quick swapping between bros moves during exploration, actual sidequests with a quest log, the entire battle plug system, variety in enemy and especially boss attacks, regular attacks using both bros unless one is Glohmed or otherwise incapacitated...
>>694975740>I noticed that a lot of new fans jumped in with BiS and never played the previous two.Uh? Where, SSS is super accesible, just download a gba emulator and the rom and you are done, easier than dealing with BiS' blowing feature that you had to patch in and the stylus stuff.
>>694974712SSS > Brothership > BiSI don't understand why Brothership got scathed
>>694981802>Very quick swapping between bros moves during exploration, actual sidequests with a quest log, the entire battle plug system, variety in enemy and especially boss attacks, regular attacks using both bros unless one is Glohmed or otherwise incapacitated...Nah, I can't say any of it is better than previous M&L games. It's not bad, but the game's refusal to challenge the player is somewhat disturbing after 6+ games in the series. Also, I hate the special attacks, they continue the tradition of being boring and overly drawn out. What should take 5 seconds is instead dragged out into a 50 second cutscene with button prompts occasionally popping up. Spectacle is for snoy movies, not video games.
>>694982162The IGN reviewer is a paperfag.
>>694974336If it's so good then why'd that New York Bing Bing Wahoo pedo drop it?
>>694981315>and actually suffers a bit from the more recent installments and the habits they introduced.Dream Team and the games before it, did not let you skip all/most tutorials and fast forward dialogue.
>>694982213Nicely done ignoring all the points just because you don't care about those aspects.>Also, I hate the special attacks, they continue the tradition of being boring and overly drawn out. What should take 5 seconds is instead dragged out into a 50 second cutscene with button prompts occasionally popping up. Spectacle is for snoy movies, not video gamesOnly the final bros attacks are that long and you won't have them for 95% of the game. Luiginary attacks and Trio attacks were pretty much all that long so yeah, even that aspect is better than some of the other games.
>>694982284I'm a paperfag and I absolutely LOVE this game, so much motherfucking soul and IMO has the best gameplay of the series, the only reason why I still rate SSS above it is because SSS has variety match to none, otherwise Brothership would easily be the best.
>>694982456I was referring to the horrendous habit of making bros attacks longer, more repetitive, and thus making battles more boring because you're just watching the same animations play out over and over. It was a problem back in Partners in Time, but really got bad around Dream Team.>>694982512>Only the final bros attacks are that long and you won't have them for 95% of the game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxhzR5SzvRsEven the basic attacks you get access to are WAY too long. Like you'd think it starts out not that bad, but then,>OH MY SCIENCE, WE NEED A WACKY CLOSEUP OF THE CHARACTER DOING A WACKY FACE AND THEN DOING A HECKIN EPIC SICK BACKFLIPI had to stop myself from cringing into a singularity.
>>694974336trvthnvke
>>694982662basic attacks are pretty much just superstar saga bros moves nowif mario or luigi is incapacitated, they still have the fast solo jump/hammer attacks (wish there was a way to select those whenever you wanted though)
>>694982618Hes one of those paperfags that has a bias against M&L and even put it and dream team below color splash.
>>694982856It still represents how the games would rather put spectacle on a pedestal, instead of a faster paced experience. A battle that should take not even a minute could be dragged out into half an hour because of unnecessary and wasteful animation.
>>694982662You can use Bro Attacks that are shorter (compared to the other ones) if you feel that's preferable. You have options.
>>694975347>seething he isn't playing the new mario retardy with friends
>>694981315>This isn't a movie, why would I care about any of these? It's the same with Twilight Princessfags: Suck off production values while saying nothing about the gameplay.
>>694983007"Options" are nice only if every one is preferable. When one is objectively worse and just drags the game down, it comes across as more of a false choice. This is lazy coming from a game touted as the "best game ever released".
>>694976647Brothership is good though. The slow start filters shitposters and journos
>>694983160>journosFunny how you only hate journos when they dislike a game you like. When they were praising Mario Odyssey, you worshipped them. How curious.
>>694974336Balatro won
>>694983130The longer bro attacks are usually stronger. But if they're stronger, they have to be harder to pull off compared to the shorter ones, and the length of them is usually part of that. Superstar Saga is the easiest game in the series, and part of that is that all the Bro Attacks are generally not too demanding to pull off.
>>694983007Not an excuse.
>>694983278Show me where I worshipped journos. I hate all of them.
>>694983278Odyssey was a good game independent of shill media
>>694983339>But if they're stronger, they have to be harder to pull off compared to the shorter ones,Except they're not. If they were harder, that would imply some kind of GAMEPLAY impact, but it's just longer cutscenes, and it's boring as hell. Honestly, I can't say a single one was even slightly difficult to pull off. And that's the insulting part.
>>694974618bowsers inside story is just not good. too many tutorials, too many gimmicks, bad boss fights. its got some banger moments but its unironically worse than partners in time
>>694974618I'm playing it right now and it's definitely not better than Brothership in any way other than music.
>>694983471>good game>liked by shill mediaPick one. You literally said, and I quote, "game journos can never like a good game".
>acfag has started shitposting about brothershipmeh
>>694974336Not cinematic enough and obviously can't fit in the obligatory indie slot
>>694983572That's when you know a game is good.
>>694983278Journos should never be trusted even if their opinion is aligned with yours.
>>694983625>if someone hates a game, the game must be good
>>694976647I accidentally one-shot the boss of Joke's End. It's still really good, but it's also dogshit easy.
>>694983471>Odyssey was a good game independent of shill media>DUDE SKINNER BOXES EVERYWHERE LMAO
>>694983713Okay but is anyone really claiming brothership is as bad as other m?
>>694983480They're harder relative to the easier ones within the same game, or to certain ones from previous games, even if that is a small or tiny margin, or you feel otherwise. You don't have to like it.
>>694983564Nobody said that illiterate retard
>>694983564>pick oneI picked good game. Do you not read replies
>>694983758People are putting the story and graphics on a pedestal, and are barely even talking about the gameplay. It's eerily reminiscent of Metroid: Other M. A gameplay enthusiast should be disgusted at there mere notion of praising story or animation or graphics, instead of putting gameplay as the highest priority.
>>694983898Then why does the media like it? It's not a cinematic western game, as you said.
I want to fuck Burnadette so fucking bad bros
>>694983901M&L's main gimmick is its gameplay with the battle system.
>>694983339I hate the fucking barrel bros attack so goddamn much, unless you are talking about the advanced (and even then) there's not a single bros attack in SSS as bullshit as that one.
>>694984061That's why I always had a fondness for the series, but it seems I'm in the minority here. Look at >>694975565Gameplay is basically a footnote at the very end of his post. Like it's not even something worth mentioning.
>>694984061Shh, ACtard never plays the games he shits himself about
>>694984149>>694984061everyone says the gameplay is good though
>>694984194Then the gameplay should've been the first thing people praised, not the graphics or story.
>>694974618>*blocks your path*
>dares Mario and Luigi to come to his lair>gets bored and contacts the island again when it's taking them too long to break through the barrier>invades the bros' perfect world to play with them instead of just taking the chance to kill them while they're floweredHe didn't actually want to be alone and wanted friends but was too autistic to understand it.
Sex with Ireen.
>>694983901>I don't like a genre of games known for certain things.>I will keep involving myself with it, despite this.What is this for you, honestly?
>>694984235its a JRPG though, you dont play those just for the gameplay
>>694984149I've already explained why I focused on the things I did with that post, you disingenuous retard. But everyone here should know better than to try arguing with ACfag including myself.
>>694984258for me it was the nerve volley.
>>694984361Nice music though.
>>694984287>>694984297Shouldn't Mario RPGs strive to distance themselves from the stale and tired cliches that ruin JRPGs? Why blindly attach yourself to these cliches and then flaunt them like they were good?>>694984347You were trying to argue that the game had soul, but soul doesn't come from non-gameplay. That's just a trick that the modern game industry tries pulling on people. If you wouldn't enjoy a game without all of the spectacle and trivialities removed, can you say that it's a good game? Or do you only care about it because of said trivialities and flair? What good is a game without a solid foundation, and Brothership's foundation is somewhat solid, but also cracked because it keeps rehashing the mistakes of the past.
>>694981315>It doesn't do anything better than any other M&L gameTutorials for movement options are now 15 second cutscenes and not 5 minutes of gameplay
>>69498457615 seconds is way too much. Don't you think? You can say it's better than what came before, but it feels like you exchanged one evil for another, instead of just not having it at all.Look, I really do want to consider it an improvement in many ways, but it feels like they half-assed alot of the QOL additions.
I hate this idea that if it isn't twice as good as the previous installment, it's a bad sequel.I love mario RPGs and I'm glad we got this one.
>>694984564Why can't you answer the question? Why do you involve yourself with something you fundamentally just don't enjoy?
>>694984705I enjoy Mario RPGs, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticized.
>>69498467215 seconds is arguably not enough considering this game is also designed with literal babies in mind
>>694984693have you not been on /v/ post-2013? motherfuckers here expect that every new game invents new genres and mechanics and can't borrow anything from preious games otherwhisw will be called rehashes, I just ignore those fuckers and focus on the positive.
>>694984693It's not just that, it's that older games get a pass for things that were just as bad if not considerably worse, see the tutorials and handholding. The idea that Brothership has worse tutorials than say, BIS, is objectively wrong and yet is one reviews like the IGN one put forth with zero self-awareness.
>>694984693They're not even comparing it to dream team. They're going back to superstar saga because it's the only way to make it look bad.
>>694984756All your complaints apply to every single one of them. I hope you're consistent about it, if this is the case.
>>694983572I'm on his side with this one. Not a fan of the slightly extended attack animations especially with basic attacks. I've only played SSS, DT and currently PJ and Broship back to back. Had no idea this shit started since BiS. I'm more of a TTYDfag than anything too. The amount of tutorials they keep adding to these games really kills it for me too. There really needs to be options to turn them off. PJ's the worst with it so far that I've noticed with how much it treats me like a baby, constantly telling me things exist, giving me options to say no and then for others forcing me to go through with them, like yeah, I saw the thing, game. I have eyes. Thank you. Fuck CHRIST.
>>694974336Oh yeah this is that game that got cucked by Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door
>>694974452>same as dream teamit's shit then
>>694984972>Had no idea this shit started since BiSit started with PiT, the Touchscreem gimmick, whlie cleverly used it got overused very quickly, every DS game suffers from this, that's why SSS and Broship have the less bullshit gameplay.
>>694984884That's really another issue. No game should be designed for babies, but should offer dynamic challenge. Like a shmup with difficulty modes, though even easy mode is still tough.>>694984934Yes, as a matter of fact. I'm not gonna shield any previous Mario RPG from this criticism. It's why the TTYD and SMRPG remakes were so disappointing, since neither added any extra difficulty modes worth playing. They had the audacity to add an easy mode, when the base game is already easier with every attack doing splash damage, and those tri attacks that are basically free damage.This also applies to non-JRPGs. I was disappointed with the Prime remaster because it didn't improve difficulty options either. It just rehashed the past.
>>694985159I don't remember much touchscreen shit in partners
>>694984258>do this three times>then have to do the adrenaline shmup immediately after the third
>>694985089It's absolutely better than Dream Team by and large.
>>694985196Partners in Time uses the touch screen a single time when you have to clear up the drawing of the Cobalt Star that shows the second Princess Shroob.
>>694985159>Touchscreem gimmick The game will be making me scream in that case with how repetitive it sounds.
>>694984932Well it does say something when a predecessor did something right then dropped the ball on the next games going forward. Zelda's notorious for doing that. 1 step forward, 2 steps backs n' all that jazz.
What's with this "BiS wasn't as good" shit I keep seeing? Is it the new unpopular popular opinion?
>>694985825It comes from PiT being just plain mediocre and the novelty of playing as Bowser, so anything that's a step up from there would seem incredible. Don't get me wrong, it's one of the best of the series, but that says more about PiT, DT, and PJ than it does BIS.
>>694985825can't speak for others but I've always felt that waybut then i thought partners in time was greatmaybe its an age thing
>>694985825I've never liked it that much and I've been annoyed by people ignoring its many obvious flaws since DT which was lambasted for the exact same ones. Brothership is immensely better than either in those aspects yet some people are also ascribing the same flaws to it, which I won't stand for.
I respect ACfag's tenacity, but I'd rather he apply his stanch and autistic critiques to a blog, YT essay or get a job at IGN than shitposting on 4chan. He's just gotta' work on those niggling nitpicks of his, like with the 2 second dungeon door animation in OoT.
>>694985825A lot of people are asshurt over Bowser being playable because they also hate barafags who draw Bowser and NTR cuck stuff with Peach.
>>694985825I always had that opinion after dream teamimo: SSS > Brothership > Dream Team > BIS > PiT > Paper Jampeople put BIS too high mostly due to playable bowser or are vorefags
>>694986234How on God’s green earth are those three things related?
>>694986234you spend way too much time on /v/
>>694986371Nah I think it's because of that and the "thank god it's better than PiT" bias. In a vacuum it feels about equal with Dream Team in quality.
>>694985825>Game only known for the le funny haha vore>Somehow it's always been a masterpiece that's "suddenly" misunderstoodAnd Stellar Blade's actually a 10/10 despite all the crying about censorship and rent free culture war obsession.
>>694974336Hell Sonic X Shadow Generations didn’t get anything and yes I agree Brothership deserved something
>>694974336Dropped this 10 hours in. The pacing sucks ass and the puzzles were designed by crackheads.
>>694974712Yes I believe he posted the wrong pic
>>694974336nah, even vinny dropped it and he usually guzzles down any nintendo slop that comes out
>>694986496>Game only known for the le funny haha voreThat's just your autism, bubby.
>>694974712I fucking hate it when a game series gets it right on the very first try and nothing else works as well, and the devs also refuse to just go back to the series' roots to learn what made it so good. Fuck you Superstar Saga for being so fucking good. Fuck.
BING BING WAHOO is not a real game
>>694986674I felt bad whaling on these guys towards the end, they knew they stood no chance almost the whole game and really didn't want to be there. I was happy they lived and switched sides.
>>694975565>keeps continuity and character development from previous games, from Luigi's courage and treatment, to Starlow and Bowser's odd relationship, to Bowser's bond with his minions and Bowser Jr's longing for friendshipNgl Starlow felt forced when we already have Snoutlet
>>694986496>le funny haha voreDemonstrably false. Nobody playing BiS for the vore. The humor and writing are great and the "inside" part adds to the gameplay. Bowser is not only hot af but also fun to play as.
>>694986794Etch doesn't wash his fucking hands so I hope he goes to Hell.
>>694986808Why? She was off doing her own thing. I felt she was forced in DT where you already had Prince Dreambert along who could've acted as your guide. Starlow is effectively necessary only to mess with Luigi's face while he sleeps.
>>694983060What exactly is your standard for Zelda gameplay? TP pretty easily has the best gameplay from any traditional 3D Zelda. Objectively so to be honest lol
>>694986687*probably dropped itWho am I kidding. He likely wants nothing to do with it now that he's got another remake slop to play. Based on how he described the story as "helping little weirdos with their problems and beating the bad guys because you're nice" is such a hilariously pessimistic take that I kinda' agree with. And people say he'd actually "enjoy" Undertale.
>>694986723Excuse me, NIGGER, but I don't think you've been here in 2010 regarding BIS threads.
>>694984972If you've played Brothership and the rest of the series you would know this one cuts back on the amount of tutorials.>battle tutorials are condensed into one battle, no toadsworth or starlow telling you how to do action commands, counterattacks are explained in the first battle instead of battle 3 or 4, the first battle with luigi has the game say luigi fights as well instead of listening to someone walk you through attacking and dodging as luigi, no forced hammer tutorial battle the game just tells you in the first battle you get into after getting a hammer that you can now use them in battle, same situation with bro attacks the game just says you can now use them instead of forcing you into a tutorial battle>bro move tutorials are consistent with paper jam's length for the shortest in the seriesThe Luigi logic scenes are the thing closest to overworld tutorials but most of the time it's just Luigi pointing out he can do something. If it was Dream Team or Bowser's Inside Story the seesaw section would play out like this for example.>see seesaw>snoutlet pops out>Huh, that ledge looks pretty high up. If only we could get up there...>luigi thinks of what to do, explains to mario>So you're saying you could stand on one side of the seesaw? Let's try it out!>game forces you to press L for luigi to move onto the seesaw>Alright, now you're on one side. Mario, try moving to the other side.>you do that>As expected, the seesaw shifts based on the weight on both sides. You could probably use this to climb that ledge.>you do that>Hmm... that other ledge will be tricky. The seesaw isn't facing it.>luigi mentions the rotating block>So you think hitting that block will rotate the seesaw? Might as well try it out.>you do that>It rotated! Now you can get on top of that ledge!>you do that>Remember, if you want Luigi to stop standing on the seesaw, just press L and he'll go back to following you Mario.
>>694987085TP is a slog and everything ACfag hates in vidya when it comes to story and cutscenes getting in the way of playing the damn gameplay that I whole hearted felt the same with without his input now that I've replayed it some time ago. I'd personally give it a solid 6.5 - 7/10 while saying it's massively overrated and not as good as good TPfags (Zoomers) make it out to be, some going as far as saying it's """"underrated""" kekAll they every DO is scream how KINO it is. I'm sorry, but KINO =/= Good.
>>694987347meme tier vore
>>694987763>>694987085Let's just be honest, it feels like people only like TP because they like to jerk off to Midna. When was the last time we actually had a TP thread that didn't devolve into shortstack coombait porn spam?
>>694987569I'll agree with you on the tutorials in Broship. However I don't need the game throwing popups at me what a Save/Health Block is/does after talking to an NPC or however that occurred. Can't be arsed to remember how it went down, just that it was annoying. Shit reminds me of "Don't forget to take a break!" era of Nintendo.
>>694986938Shut up Zokket
>>694988990You first, Anemones
>>694988432>When was the last time we actually had a TP thread that didn't devolve into shortstack coombait porn spam?Since this year and last, even on /vr/. It and even WW got some resurgence for whatever reason, likely e-celebs making vids on it and the Zelda Cycle as a whole thanks to TotK being meh, so Zoomers feel vindicated and courageous to defend them now.
>>694989220I'm not a Zoomer and I defend WW with every fiber of my being.
Has anyone counted the amount of tutorials in all of the games yet
>>694982284Also Sonic Fan too
I think brothership is the best one. Haven't even beat it yet but it's not favorite. it really does have soul. and I like the plug characters more now after chatting with a lot of em more often. so far there is nothing annoying in the game either which every single game had so far, like a gimmick.
>>694990602bur it's my favorite*
>>694982856>if mario or luigi is incapacitated, they still have the fast solo jump/hammer attacks (wish there was a way to select those whenever you wanted though)THIS, I like my battle quick and snappy, and the load times don’t help either since they decided to make it 3D rather than keeping it 2D complain about censorship in DQ3 HD2D Remake but at least that game doesn’t have load screens between battles, my point is, RPGs should respect people’s time and not put them to sleep
Do you like him?
>>694990949I thought Zokket was funnier.
>>694990602I'd say the worst part is the glacial pacing at the start. It's frustrating that you have so little to work with for so long. Besides that, I'm not really fond of the achievement system. Some of them are okay, the Bros Attack ones are kind of annoying, especially the later ones since some of the best gear is hidden behind the last ones.
>acfag in a thread for this series?>his complaints are poor and retarded tooWhy you here lol?The series is called Mario & Luigi rpg in japan, so of course you’d hate itAlso your bros attacks complaints are poor, since nowadays they’re more involved with more inputs, variety, and are generally more difficult and easier to fuck up than something like SSSSaying they’re cutscenes is retarded, because that implies there’s no gameplay and you’re strictly watching
>>694991197>Also your bros attacks complaints are poor, since nowadays they’re more involved with more inputs,That's not good enough. Just like the parries in Dread, they are way too cinematic. If I can put down the controller for longer than 5 seconds, and not die, I'm not having fun.I'm sick of the games pandering to literal children and not having any options for higher difficulties. Being able to beat a game without dying once is a mark of shame.
>>694974618This. Nothing will ever top BIS. >>694974712Overrated.
>>694991364>I'm sick of the games pandering to literal children and not having any options for higher difficulties.So you didn't play or complete Dream Team.
>Switch refuses to turn on whileFUCK i’m on the final area, why did my shit decide to not work now of all times? Praying this doesn't mean it’s broken
>>694991364You’ll fail if you put the controller down for five seconds though you lying shitposterTry doing the jump helmet without pressing anythingYou’ll just send Luigi forward with no height, and he’ll crash to the ground resulting in you failing
More like ACKWABThe downfall of this shitposter must be documented
>>694991580Battery is probably drained. Just put it into the actual charger for a while until it can turn on for you to put it back in the dock.
>>694991662>yes 90% of the bros attack is just watching a cutscene, but there's a button prompt at some point, that makes it kino!The sad thing is that I like the concept of bros attacks, but they fumble it in all later installments by making them glorified movies.>B-BUT THERE'S A BUTTON PROMPTJust like the parries from Dread, that doesn't make them magically good.
>>694991080I haven't been paying attention to them much, I just complete them whenever it says I did. but I saw the one with completing battles without equipment and maybe I should start that now
>>694991987>completely ignored everything and continues push shit he made up in his headThis is actually sad
>>694990949Best villain in the series. Not even close. As much as I adore fawful he didn't fuck with the bros as much as he did. >>694991080Valid complaint. I honestly liked them cause they encouraged me to continue using those bros attacks as soon as I got them. I feel like they'd be better if they only required you to do it like 15-20 times instead of 30 though>>694991364Play the fucking game instead of spouting some useless false bullshit that's easily disproven. Jesus christ, literally get a damn life you fucking neet. Anyways hopefully everyone's enjoying brothership so far! I think it's the 2nd best game in the series, better than BIS but worse than Dream Team. I have a LOT of nitpicks as a series veteran but the game is a wonderful return to form that I adore, WAY more than the subpar ttyd remake and the admittedly pretty great smrpg remake.
>>694992138That one is just defensive equipment and accessories, not offensive gear. That challenge is actually kind of interesting but the gear you get from it isn't anything special.
The final Bros. Attack for Mario is so fucking annoying, it takes like 30 seconds to do, then if you mistime the cross crosshairs, you get the worst damage in the game.
>>694992150>>694992214https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxhzR5SzvRsThen please. Do tell me how every single second of these attacks is somehow absolutely necessary for the game to function. I would love to hear how the game requires large segments where you're not actually pushing buttons.
>>694981315drive-by poster here, but much of "soul/soulless" accusations are about presentation and details that have nothing to do with gameplay. He was responding to a guy calling it "soulless" which isn't always relevant to gameplay
>>694992416>now moving the goalpostsYou lost
>>694984037>We want the Elemental AudienceYou cannot convince me they directly inspired Chilliam and Burnadette from Elemental’s Wade and Ember
>>694992582>moving the goalposts??? the whole point of my complaints is that they haven't learned from their past mistakes, and keep repeating this trend of putting spectacle over anything else.
>>694992138If you're a completionist it would be best to do that when grinding Seedle seeds once you're told to gather some for a side quest. You will easily get the kills required because of how long it takes to grind out 30 seeds.
>>6949743365/10 was generous, it's actually 3/10 without the nintendo bonus
>>694992416>I would love to hear how the game requires large segments where you're not actually pushing buttons.But most of the attacks are comprised of pushing buttons in order to deal damage and get an excellent rating
>>694992643retard
>>694974336this game is better than metaphor t bh
>>694992760Can you say this for every single second? if I point you to, oh say, a random point in a bros attack, I won't find a segment without button prompts?
>>694992643Hot (literally) girl and cool (literally) boy isn't a new concept.
>>694992676Your retarded point consisted of calling them cutscenes, despite the fact there’s constant inputs and you’ll fail if you don’t press anything
>>694992909I don’t really care about this argument, but I can say that you’re a retard every single secondIs that good enough for you?
>>694992930There's "gameplay" in a walking segment in God of War, that doesn't mean it isn't a glorified cutscene.
>>694992643I think it's like Weed Miser and Crack Miser.
>>694974336I wouldn't know, I don't play slop for pedophiles.
>>694984275For me it’s her beautiful Milf Mom
>>694993074These aren’t walking sequences thoughever, and you can fail them if you fuck up/don’t do anythingYou just love going in circles, so I’ll stop here
>>694984693The holy trinity of Mario RPGs all in one place!
>>694993207>you can fail themlolCan you die and completely game over from missing a single button prompt?>but you do less damageAs if that's any kind of punishment.
I love that Luigi is on the jump helmetHe’s so cool, brosIf they bring back more bros attacks, what would you like to see return next gameI wanna see the ice flower since the scrapped sprites in dream team made me think it was gonna be different from the fire flower
>>694984756Yeah I don’t necessarily think TTYD remake is an automatic upgrade, no remake is perfect
>>694993181The Elden Ring thread's two blocks down
>>694986687Dragon Quest III caught his attention more
>>694986731First Time? Lol pun and jokes aside it’s funny how all the other Megaman subseries had a rough start or “First Game Syndrome” but those eventually would get better and improve upon flaws and mistakes with later installments. Yoshi’s Island itself is another example of being a great first game for Yoshi himself and then it going downhill, heck even Crackdown on Xbox
>>694986950Lol Starlow simp
>>694974336How old are you?
>>694991080An anon suggested making a permanent save for future revisits and multiple playthroughs but where would be the best point in the game to make a permanent save?
This battle is about to get heated
>>694994296Maybe around the first lighthouse?
>>694994005Stoutlet is the Starlow simp, he dreams about her.
>>694974336My problem wirh this series is that i have trouble allocating stat ups on level ups
>>694996291brothership removed that, now you select a perk every rank up instead (you rank every few levels)
>>694974336I think they need to go realize fighting characters is much more interesting than monster of the week bosses with no story involvement. Which is why people like Paper Mario so much. I enjoyed fighting Gorumbla more than the other lighthouse boss because he had some character, this big ol retard is smashin up everyone's art because nobody pays attention to him, so when you fight him there is some amount of meaning and character to it. I don't know why the game stopped at Gorumbla, of course it had Bowser and the Extension Corps, but Gorumbla feels the most like a M&L boss, similar to Big Massif, Queen Bean, Hermy, etc. I just wish each sea area had it's own equivalent. because by the end of the game when all of the characters are standing next to each other, you can just tell something was off with the development, like the Great conductor and Gorumbla are the only variety of character in this game that also have fights. Everythin else was a fucking plug when the Extension Corps are what some of the major islands characters should've looked like
>>694974618is it crazy to say this is the worst mario and luigi game?
>>694995143This mockup fucking sucks, Paper Luigi's hat is meant to be ambidextrous. Aren't paperfags supposed to be autistic enough to notice this?
If they're plug people, would using a metal fork to eat salad kill them?
>>694993412lagless menus are a lost fuckin art man
>>694984693good thing it is though
>>694997337Please explain how Partners in Time is better
>>694999115i just find bis to be dreadfull
>>694999115not that anon but partners in time had a fun story, good levels and a lot of new gameplay that wasn't easy to execute. what's there to dislike? i guess the baby noise
>>695001196nta but the Bros. Moves being items sucked ass and the bosses were unnecessarily tanky for how simple their attack patterns felt
>>695001746I think the latter is exclusive to the NA version since the JP and PAL version nerfed the HPIt’s the opposite of superstar saga where the NA version is easier than the PAL version. (Still very easy though)
>>694993412zoom zoom can't wait a few seconds for an animation to play out?
>>694974336Why even make that comparison?It's not hard to be better than westaboo shit, westaboo MTX shit, 3D shatformers, and western shit.Would you also tell someone your favorite food is good because at least it isn't dogshit?
>>694974336It's the only game this year I've enjoyed other than Luigi's Mansion 2 but that one's a remake so I personally don't count it as GOTY contender.
>>695002197Only zoomzooms defend animations because it's what keep their attention since they don't like games.
>>694974452I think it edgeos out Dream Team for third best game in the franchise, mainly because of the QoL, Dream Team came out before the fast-forward button and the optional tutorials and suffers a lot from them, sad really because aesthetically it is easily the best in the series.I would rate Bowser's Inside Story first and SuperStar Saga a close second, but Brothership is easily better than Partners in Time and Paper Jam.
I think they could discard the shells next time.I know they’re a staple, but they ditched the fire flower as an attack itself and used it in another attack entirely
>>694984149>Gameplay is basically a footnote at the very end of his post.he wasn't listing all the games pros, he was listing things the game does to give it soul
>>694984564>soul doesn't come from non-gameplaythis is the most retarded statement I've seen all week.soul can come from gameplay, but it can also come from art style, music, humor, and many other sources
>>695002113Interesting since I played the PAL version.Might explain the incongruency between my opinion and prevailing NA sentiment
>>694986731same can be said for Luigi's Mansion
>>694974618Its plot meanders a bit and Mario & Luigi being permanently consigned to 2D hell inside Bowser (a very visually bland and homogeneous assortment of areas) isn't good. Bowser fights are excellent, Giant Bowser fights are horrible dog shit and get completely stomped by Giant Luigi fights in the immediate next game.
>>694974618>most anonymous world to roam around>vore fetishism galore>recycles final bad guy from former ges' villainous duo (Shrek the Third, anyone?)>hidden superboss is just one of the common mobs from the previois game>introduced the most annoying side character who just REFUSES TO GO THE FUCK AWAY for any subsequent entry (and even the first game's remake)Only cool thing it brought to the table is having a different ending if you kept the brothers underleveled and Bowser beyond lv30, other than that its cold following is unwarranted in my eyes.
>>694974336The final boss theme of bowsers vore story went way harder than it should have
>>695003872>different ending if you kept the brothers underleveled and Bowser beyond lv30What's different
>>695003872>Only cool thing it brought to the table is having a different ending if you kept the brothers underleveled and Bowser beyond lv30I've never seen it, what makes it so special?
>>694981315The gameplay is easily the best in the series, bar none.
>>695003991>>695004007Given the end credits i’d guess it’s bowser actually winning the fight in said end credits
>>695003991>>695004007I think he’s talking about if you never got the highest rank for everyonePretty much the only difference is that it says “good job” if you did iirc
>>694982984Oh, like that faggot Arlo.
>>695004382Yeah it's this, Chakron chimes in to praise you
>>695004584Arlo didn’t even play dream teamI remember when he was bitching about Mario RPG’s losing soul years ago and lumped it in with paper jam which is even more confusing since he hasn’t actually played anything past BIS
The finisher on the final boss is brutal, Mario and Luigi bash his skull in with hammers from both sides. Pretty metal as far as cartoon violence goes.
>>695006105yep
UGH, PEOPLE!
>>695004584Why do paperfags like him again?
>>695008547I think it’s just the case of a lot of people agreeing with the not my paper Mario thingHe’s more irrelevant today. Nintendo YouTubers are some of the least interesting around in general
>>695008734He’s irrelevant because he keeps bitching about having to ‘’’work’’’ (make videos basically)!He was only relevant because of the puppet and whenever it’s not on screen he just becomes a Bitblock tier Paperfag. The only good Nintendo YouTuber I know of is Harman Smith.
>>694992914>>694992643example number 2:
>>694992643It's a neat coincidence but the game was definitely already in the works by the time the movie came out and the fire/ice section is too big and important to just have been added partway through.
>>694974336Is it actually good? i just got my copy it arrived nearly 2 weeks late.
>>694992643Burnadette and Chilliam are better names though.
>>695011474If you can deal with the first few hours starting off slow and bad frame rate in some instances, it's a game that constantly ramps things up, has the most polished interpretation of the series' core gameplay and is way more ambitious in story and scope.
>>695011654I've only played Superstar Saga and I liked it.
>>695011474The beginning 5 hours suck ass but after that it's great.
The graphics aren't at all a match for the games performance is this Unreal or Unity or something like that? god I'm sick of those engines ruining my games. Like seriously the game looks like a slightly more detailed Wii game.
>>695011684That's going to be an interesting jump then. I'd say Superstar Saga was created while still in the mindset of making a more swift and basic jrpg a la Super Mario RPG while Brothership is more in the camp of full-on epic jrpg that commands your time and attention which is something the series had been flirting with more and more as it went on. I think both excel at their respective craft and are my favorites, but there's been some pushback against Brothership from people who don't want Mario RPGs to be big, sprawling affairs so your mileage may vary. Aside from the IGN review, that guy is just a retard making bad faith arguments.>>695011939Check the back of the box. It's Unreal.
>>695011474First ten hours are decent then it goes to total shit. Dont listen to the other fags replying to you the are Nintendo employees.
>>695011956I'm liking it so far, I just hope it goes hard on stupid spectacle.Unreal is the bane of my existence, this game uses rendering techniques of a Wii game obviously it doesn't need much more but it really shows how bad Unreal is and how much overhead there is, this game should be 1080/60fps and an easy one at that.
>>695012421>I just hope it goes hard on stupid spectacle.Yes. I won't spoil what, but it does.
>>695012414Why would Nintendo employees shill their game after I bought it? okay I will believe both of you, it starts of meh but gets good after 5 hours then 5 more hours and it goes to total shit.
>>695012476Good I love that shit.
>>695012421I thought it was bearable outside of Shipshape Island which tanks more and more the longer the game goes on and the more people get on it, but I'm kinda hoping for a performance improvement on Switch 2. I might replay it then since there are several instances in the game where you can make choices that lightly affect the plot.>I just hope it goes hard on stupid spectacleLook forward to it, even boss battles themselves go nuts.
>>695012414Rumbla Island is such a bore how is it better than anything in Brrrning?
>>695012485Even people who dislike the game agree that it only gets better as it goes on.
BIS = Brothership > SSS >> DT >> PJ >> PiTBrothership would be the best game in the series and it wouldn't even be close if they hadn't fumbled the Mushroom Kingdom characters.
>>695012801Can you explain yourself? I thought they did a great job with them, Bowser's side especially.
I just got to that wedding planning bit. How bad will the game guilt me if I try to give Shun a W?
>>694974336tendiemanchildren are genuinely so fucking pathetic
>>695013072His options for the dress look funny but are still appreciated.
>>695012893Admittedly, I haven't beaten the game yet, but having just entered the Soli-Tree (which I assume to be the last area) Bowser feels like an afterthought. Junior gets a lot of really nice attention, sure, but the Koopalings are entirely absent. Bowser gets two hasty bossfights and is then sidelined for the rest of the game outside of that one tiny sidequest with Starlow. Every time I thought the game was pushing me to go back to check up on what his deal was (especially during the bond gathering bit) it just made it more obvious; if you go check Offandon after the flowers show up but before Junior and Buddy can be encountered, a bunch of the troops there will imply something happened at Wayaway. If you go to Wayaway, it legitimately feels like they forgot to even playtest for someone going to Wayaway because the music changes back to the normal theme and your objective changes from "Collect Bonds" back to "Go back to Shipshape and prepare for battle".As for Peach, she kinda just goes and fucks off with IDLE for the entire game. Dorrie seems to be completely forgotten about when you're rescuing IDLE and Toadsworth still doesn't exist for some fucking reason.
>>695013248>but the Koopalings are entirely absentThank god for that, they're too many characters to just throw in haphazardly and with Bowser's minions being side antagonists they couldn't have got enough focus. I enjoyed their inclusion in SSS despite them not even having dialogue (and just having some token dialogue in the remake) simply because it was their first appearance in a decade, and I thought they were actually used decently in PJ for as lifeless as that game's story and dialogue could be so I wasn't really looking forward to them showing up here.I don't really disagree about Peach but also don't have anything against her just being a helpful NPC on the side. I think she'd have potential to be a playable character with a big role but the story would need to be built around that. For instance, I think it's nice that she's a party member in SMRPG but she really doesn't have much to offer storywise once she joins.There's some really cool stuff in the endgame though, wait until you check it out.
I beat the game yesterday and it cemented my opinion game journalists should be industrially killed (as a simple joke of course, comedic exaggeration haha)it's an excellent game, one of the best switch exclusives and by far the most fun game I've played this year, that final boss was great and the dungeon was also very good with all the different platforming challenges and the clever use of perspective in that part (you know the one)easy 8/10
I love this specific attack, the idea of the boss being so overwhelming that the bros' hammers get thrown out of their hands and that they need to work together to stand up to it is a simple yet beautiful gameplay implementation of the story's themes.
>>695015745loved the patterns for this phase, they were pretty simple but very funthe area and look of the boss also reminds me of astral chain's final boss
>>695015745I just wish his last phase had more health, it's a great fight especially in the last phase when he throws a tantrum in every attack filling the screen with text boxes.
>>694987160was he always a depressed millenial
>>694974336I have it and a 60 fps mod d-loaded on 'eck but havent played yet. Is it good?Is Ryujinx still the best option?
>>695017246This game and every other M&L game except PiT need a hard mode.
>>695017449DT already has one in NG+, wish they'd keep doing that.
>>695017449it's already here it's called fighting naked
>>695017449Agreed, though i think the normal difficulty is overall fine, a lot of the attack patterns here are legitimately tricky.Zokket and Glohm Pipegunk humbled me hard
>>695017565Limting myself is lame
>>695017567I don't think I ever fully dodged the elemental machinegun barrages from pipegunkthe change in speed and distance always mess me up
Absolutely insane that people let a fucking number from a meaningless review let their entire worldview be changed, cuz now I constantly see niggers saying "M&L" was never good
Why don't they just eat him?
>>695017731Fatguy likes it
>>695017735I beat the final boss by landing his bro attack perfectly as the final move, I think I did something like 2800 damage with all the lucky hitsabsolute kino
>>694974336Why are they wasting their time with this manchild slop instead of making the sequel to TTYD? What the fuck is Nintendo doing? It's fucking Mario, the biggest gaming franchise known to mankind. You have more money than god. You could give a Mario RPG triple the budget of Square's next FF7 remake sloppa. Starting putting some fucking effort into your games.
>>695011474Slow burn. Starts out decent, then becomes really good as you continue on.
>>695018784https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmUsKXUIaYY
>>695018784>TTYD>effortBoy, do I love hallways you backtrack through four times a chapter.
>>695018784at this point it has to be a falseflag right, surely papermarioniggers aren't such insufferable millenial faggots right? right?
>>695018969I have bad news for you anon.
Well?
>>694974336I am going to get this game for christmas from my parents. Please tell ma about it.Also mods I am not underage. I am a 60 years old boomer who still lives in his parents basement.
>>694974336I somehow managed to break Luigi's AI for a moment. I captured the video, but I have no idea how to upload it here
>>695022095You must convert it to webm for video upload, or just upload it as mp4 on catbox and the like and link it here.
>>694974618I'm just going to admit it: the Giant Boss fights in this and DT were fucking shit
>>695022210Thanks anon. I have no idea how this happened, and it corrected itself when I tried to do a Bros Move, but if anyone else wants to try and recreate it, be my guesthttps://files.catbox.moe/ai3uiw.mp4
>>695022490The dream team giant fights were fine but Fawful Express might be the worst boss in the entire series
>>695022740>You know, Mario... Maybe Zokket is right. Maybe we should all be by ourselves.
>>695023014I recall some people complaining about the motion controls in the Zeekeeper fight specifically and I think there was even a patch released for it, though I personally didn't have issues.
>>694986164He knows that if he presents his opinion to a larger user base, it'll make him looks like even more of a clown so he stays on 4chan instead.
>>695023305Zeekeeper is only an issue on hard mode because you have a lot less room for error. His attacks are a lot faster and for the dimension tear attack it's a lot easier. Normal mode has him shoot 3 projectiles, you dodge them, and then he shoots 3 on the other side and you dodge those. Hard mode has him shoot 3 and then immediately shoot the other 3 so you have to dodge 6 at a time instead of 3.
>Reclusa reveals himselfYou can tell this game was made during the plandemic, kek.
>>695024201Brothership is the first strand-type jrpg.
>>694974712I love this game so much, it's my favorite childhood game. I probably still have multiple saves at lvl. 99 from when I was a kid if I were to check my GBA
>>695024435I also remember grinding to 99. The level I'd naturally be at the end of the game was just 36.
>>695024201Just got to that part myself; his flowers are creepy as fuck.I'm really digging how good this game is.
HOW THE FUCK DO THEY TURN INTO A BALL ANSWER MEEEEEE!?????
>>695025682All islands now have the majority of their NPCs flowered and happily seeing whatever they were looking forward to/the opposite of what they were complaining about earlier in the game.
>>695025682>>695024201>Just got to that part myself; his flowers are creepy as fuck.Yeah I think they were meant to represent VR headsets and all the metaverse grifts during COVID.
>>695018784TTYD sucks ass and you know it.
>>695018969The IGN reviewer is a TTYD fanboy btw
I like that the gimmick of the ge is just luigi thinks sometimes
>return to Offandon Island's town square>Bowser's minions either get fooled by the disguises again because they argue Mario and Luigi wouldn't be so dumb as to try the same cheap trick twice, or notice it's them but pretend not to because it's too much of a bother>Luigi fucks up again in the same exact waylmao
Paper Mario TTYD is leaps better than this game. Cope. This is a low tier Mario & Luigi game.
>>695025831this is the real reason why the game got poor reviews(((they))) don't want (You) to know about the plans to hook humanity to tubes feeding people biosludge and porn
>>695026336>thinking "professional" reviewers got more than 5 hours in, let alone 30
>>694974589>not dream teamOne job.
What did Bowser see?
>>695026464>MARIO! LUIGI! You're trying out your new Bros Attack where you slam your fat Italian cocks into both of Peach's holes at the same time? And I get to watch until you manage to perform an Excellent? What can I say but YABBA DABBA DOO!
>>695026385to be fair I do think the game kinda drags a bit at times, the ending could have done without the part where you have to revisit islands to fill up the watering can and even the virtual reality section reuses the cool lakitu mechanic a bit too much for my tastethe rest of the criticisms are retarded though, "too much combat and dialogue" yeah faggot it's a rpg this is what you do in these games
>>695022490I didn't mind them in BIS, because at least they're over pretty quickly once you know what to do.The ones in DT just go on and on and really drag down the game that's already too slow.>>695023305I actually replayed that part recently and the patch didn't seem to fix anything. I think the controls are just very, very finicky, and they stop working if you're not holding and moving the 3DS in a very specific way.
>>694974558Hard disagree, I wanna fuck the yellow one
>>694974558I'd agree for the first half but I thought the enemy design in the latter half was actually super strong. Curlups, Showerfish, Palookas, Milltons, and all three of the Reclusa mobs in the Soli-Tree have pretty solid designs
>>694974536Inside Story is fetish bait it's not a fun game at all
>>695027008>husbandsurprised that wasn't censored desu, fucking grim
>>695027238>ShowerfishI did a double take when I heard the Glohm version go "MaAaArio!"
>>695027275? There are lots of couples in the game. What are you talking about?
>>694974336What is good about it?Was thinking of downloading it on my PC
>>695027383he's shitposting why are you replying to him
>>694974336No one besides mental 12 year olds has played this so I wouldn't know.
>>695027425>Himthem, we don't know the gender of the pronouns of who made the post.
>>695027608Everyone on 4chan is biologically male.
>nearly half the NPCs get trapped in Reclusa's happy isolation flowers (or whatever they're called)>that bit towards the end where you're essentially playing through one of those creepypasta rom hacksWasn't expecting that
>>695028629>That one flowered NPC who dreams about accepting bribesThere's some good dialogue with those NPCs later on
>>695028629>second loop through Peach's Castle's courtyard>the music starts getting distorted>third loop>the Toads and Bowser's minions only ask each other if they're happy
>>694986496I thought people played and liked BiS because they could play as bowser?
>>695018784
>>695027383The refferences to husband and wife were taken out of Pikmin 2
>>695025829Yeah, it's creepy as hell. I thought Reclusa would be basically Zokket 2.0, but he is subtly different in ways that make him creepier.>>695025831That would be eerily based if true.
>>695030010They did. Hell, it was so popular that Dream Team was going to have Bowser playable too."muh vore" is just autists projecting their trash fetish.
>>694974336Do tendies ever post without hardcore cope?
>>694974712even the lame 3ds remake eats the shit out of bis idk how it took until paper jam for them to realize attacks should be just as fast as this game
>>695034327>nonsensical wacky funhouse insides >whirr voreYeah it's not even hot trash shit
>>694974336t. Mevans
For meSSS (best gba game of all time) >>>>BIS>PIT>literal shit>dream team>paper jam (couldn't finish this it sucked too bad)Will I like brothership?
>>695036657you will not
>>695036657>bis that highTrash taste
>series going dormant again because developers are likely being bought out by sony
>>695037142>thinking Sony will give enough of a shit about a small jrpg developer to make them exclusive
>>695037142sony aren't buying anythingthey were already supposed to be buying capcom and square enix, this is just how snoys cope about the sorry state of playstation studios (this and pretending to care about astrobot)
>>695037383Anon, Acquire is owned by Kadokawa.
>>694993537I kinda wanted to play this, too bad it's censored slop.
>>695037658I'm saying that they won't care to manage Acquire so that it only makes games for Playstation.
>>694993873As a guy who likes X4... yeah, I get it.
>>694974618Lets be honest here its kinda hard to topple the ability to play bowser as well as seeing him completely fleshed out and some explanation for some of his powers.>Always wondered how he even managed to do the vaccum mouth thing>this game tells you how he got it.Grade A lore thanks Alphadream.
>>694975565>keeps continuity and character development from previous games, from Luigi's courage and treatment, to Starlow and Bowser's odd relationship, to Bowser's bond with his minions and Bowser Jr's longing for friendshipIt was a bit funny that Starlow wasn't travelling with the Bros.I thought was how hard the previous games writers would have had Starlow chew out Luigi for getting the party captured at OffandOn Island. when he takes off his disguise to drink the soda in front of Bowser's minions. It's probably the dumbest thing Luigi's ever done in the whole series and Snoutlet is just too upbeat to criticise the bros much.
>>695038469*One thing I thought was
>>695038469Luigi earned that one moment of complete dumbassery with how resourceful he is in the rest of the game. There's also the time he gets separated from Mario in Zokket's Fortress where Snoutlet notes he won't cower in fear despite Mario not being around, which is what Luigi did in Superstar Saga and Paper Jam.
>>694974618Too gimmicky, Partners in Time is more like Superstar Saga, so its better.
what's the first notable rpg that did turn based combat like mario and luigi? timed button presses with corresponding defensive/offensive actions on screen? it's really fun and I think I like it better than normal action rpg fare
>>695039607I'm probably having a brainfart but the oldest example I can think of is Super Mario RPG.
>>695039607>like mario and luiginone, but if you open that to include paper mario likes there are more options (not many but its more than 0)
>>695039607SMRPG
>>695036657DT is objectively better than BIS.
They should make a Donkey and Diddy game that goes back to super star saga's simplicity.
>>695040573DK was a prisoner in SMRPG and a skeleton in SSS... He's gone...
>>695040083>objectively>15 hours too long with forced tutorials the entire time.
>>695042056>it's a pretend bis isn't full of tutorials episode againSomeone change the channel
>>695042268Oh it is but being a 25 hour game filled with tutorials vs 40 is why it's shit. Mario rpgs should not be 30 hours+ which is why sss, paper Mario, and Mario rpg are the best ones.
>>695038370More games need vaccum mouth vore
>>694977493>too shortIce-cold take: RPGs are better when they're shorter.Especially for a GBA RPG, SuperstarSaga was perfectly paced.
So, Mario & Luigi stat differences:>Mario: Better BP, POW, SPEED than Luigi>Luigi: Better HP, DEF, STACHE than MarioOthers:>Babies: Lower HP, POW, STACHE, Higher DEF, SPEED than the Bros.>Bowser: High HP, POW, DEF, low BP, SPD, HORN (Fights solo so most stats except SPD are much higher or at a comparable level as the Bros.)>Paper Mario: Lower BP, and POW than Mario, higher DEF, and STACHE than Mario, lower HP than the Bros., higher SPD than the Bros.Wonder how other characters would compare to the Bros.>>695038370Also helps that his brand of specials compared to the Bros.' combination attacks is to summon and lead his army too.
>>695043107SSS really needed boss gauntlet, missed opportunity in the remake
>>694993412You could do the same thing with Brothership and previous game's healing menus. There's a significant delay that wasn't there before. It has to be deliberate, but why?
>>695043849isnt it due to unreal engine having to load the assets? it has a noticeable stutter when loading new stuff/selecting a bro move
>>695042056But enough about Inside Story.
>>694974336It’s definitely one of the better games this year. 5/10 is complete bs from ign. My guess is he didn’t finish it. Has a slow start. I just got the plugs, and they spice up the game a ton. I got the no gear challenge, and I’ve turned Luigi into a glass cannon with the last ditch glove. High risk high reward makes it a ton of fun. Definitely pulling me in now. The beginning is a bit iffy. I do like the added inputs even at the beginning for basic jump and hammer attacks. Animations have never been better. Haters are retarded. I’d put it a little ahead of dream team. For me, SSS>BiS>PiT>BS>DT>PJ
>>695045249>putting PiT above ityou might change your mind by the end
>>695040083The pacing is horrendous. I had DT at launch, and it dragged on way longer than it should have. It did have a lot to enjoy though. BiS is far better. But SSS has never been topped.
SSS>BS>PiT>PJ(realisticly)=DT>BiS>PJ(spiritually)
>>694974336I'm midway through the game and so far it's been pretty cozy. Something about seeing healthy relationships between families and lovers (especially a straight couple that act lovey dovey and roleplay to pass the time instead of making sure they bitch and moan toward each others every single seconds) feels good.I still don't know why it was given a score rating of 5 but so far it's been an eight for me. Maybe it's all the DEI folks feeling called out by all the depression shit being caused by the villains and being enraged at all the healthy relationships they can never have
>>695045249is the beginning really that slow? granted I've spent 50 hours on the game so it's been a while but I don't remember it being that bad, maybe a couple hours before it starts picking up
>>695045389So far I’m not sold. But it’s been such a long time. So far, I’m really not too impressed with the enemy variety and NPCs. Maybe that will change, and I’ll definitely voice that in the threads. I’m probably another 15-20 hours from beating it. I take my time completing most of the side shit. PiT really gets too much shit when it’s a solid game that was sandwiched between superior games.
>>695045715Fights early on really drag because it takes a while to get the first bros attacks, it does pick up but the first few hours are rough.
>>695045797>between superior games.BiS is not better
>>695045715It just felt really boring with having only jump for a while, then they finally introduce hammer a few hours in. I still only have one bros move. I was fighting the same 5 or so enemies for the first 5 hours. I’ve fought 3-4 bosses so far. SSS(and really any of the other games) has a lot more bosses to face throughout. It feels like it’s finally picking up.
>>695046073I haven’t played BiS or PiT since they launched. I do like the added difficulty of two extra characters to manage. I didn’t like the spongy bosses like the shroob queen taking forever to beat. Overall I think I remember having a better experience with BiS. Maybe because I like fawful and he has a bigger presence. And bowser too.
>>694974336Are the attacks still ridiculously long? Is there a new tutorial every 10 minutes? Every game in the series had gotten progressively worse in both regards, and were increasingly painful to play as a result.
holy fuck the samefagging in this thread is unreal
Shame they didn't do an Ask the Developer interview for this game, I'd really like to know how long it's been in development and how involved the former Alpha Dream staff was in its creation, whether they pitched it or if Nintendo came looking for them at their new companies. It's such a big and ambitious game I wouldn't be surprised if it started development shortly after AD went bankrupt.
>>695046348> Are the attacks still ridiculously long? Bros attacks are much briefer so far. Shell attacks pretty much end with a quick Mario strikers esque kick cinematic. Maybe other anons can fill in for other attacks. There’s no possible way it will be as excessive as DT and PJ.>Is there a new tutorial every 10 minutes?No and tutorials are mostly a quick Infograph you can scroll through and look at later. Much more respectful of your iq and time.
>>695046348>Are the attacks still ridiculously long?I thought the bros attacks never felt too long, you can speed them up with proper timing too so it becomes a skill issue if you feel like they overstay their welcome
>>695046348No and no. Only the final bros attacks are long and the only tutorials are for bros moves on the field and very quick at that, every other explanation is either optional and has to be seeked out manually in the pause menu (bros moves) or it just opens a pop-up window that can be immediately closed (everything else).
>>695046348>Are the attacks still ridiculously long?the only one I feel takes too long is mario's last bro move, and if you miss the final input on it you literally deal less damage than a failed jump I just use auto excellent when I use it>Is there a new tutorial every 10 minutes?kinda, tutorials are now just simple pop ups that you can skip by mashing A so they last less than 5 seconds if you don't read them, and they only happen once then never again, but you can review them in the pause menu if you want>Every game in the series had gotten progressively worse in both regardsafter dream team they started including a fast forward button since so many people complaining about the forced tutorials in that game
>>694974336>>>Caring about The Slop AwardsPeople should have noticed it's fucking trash the day Overwatch won Goty, for fuck's sake, IGN and PC Gamer are the jury you faggots I hate you for allowing this event stay popular
>>694974336>every male Toad is a they/them>GOTY>>694974394First post really was the best post. Verification not required.
>>694993316Onions faced faggot taking pictures in walmart of a shelf full of mario games. So stunning and brave. Truly a man's man.
>>694993316>Mario RPG UGGO edition>TRANNY Mariothe thousand genders door>BrotherSHITNo thx, I will stick to emulation and the superiour originals.
Does it run on Steam deck ok I might give it a play.
>>695048471LMAO EPIC OWN TNEDIES GET FUCKED STEAM DECK RULES!!
>>695048658I have no stance on piracy, my switch broke and I'm not buying a new one this late in its lifeIt's Steam Deck or nothing.
>>695047118dragon age winning the year before was worsehollow knight getting no nomination in 2017 but horizon getting one was also a travesty
all im getting from this thread is that paper jam is the best game since it got rid of tutorials
>>695048754Are you kidding me? The steam deck is loterally the best console on the market right now! Say it with me:STEAM DECK FIRST!STEAM DECK FIRST!STEAM DECK FIRST!
kek tendies are so fucking pathetic
>>695049550Paper Jam has the best core gameplay in the series after Brothership, the environments are just lifeless and Toad rescue missions and Papercraft battles are uninspired alternate gameplay sections.
>Finally collect all the Bonds to get to the Soli-Tree.>All the people from the sidequests I've helped that wasn't caught by a flower or had someone get caught by a flower coming to Shipshape Island to give moral supportHonestly, this is great...
the character designs are some of the worst I've seen, has to be the most uninspired generic shit
>>695052394
>>695052975Them too, but I was talking more about the explorer brothers who hang out in Allsand, the kid who wants a very particular Lottacoins cake and his sister, Ireen's mom, the dude who wanted to a Hammer demonstration, etc. etc. they legit just showed up on Shipshape Island to give me moral support and, as someone who generally does sidequests when I can, that felt really good.
after beating the game I saw that I missed a plug (it's called seedize or something like that) but I did every sidequest on my questlog except one order from the item shopdo you find it while exploring or something? I know there's this vortex in the sand island where I have to throw a bunch of shit in it, haven't done that either
>>695054198It's the reward for fulfilling all the requests of the sand vortex, yeah.
>Great Conductor challenges Mario to recognize the real Luigi's animations>the fake ones are all (even) gayerkek
>>695042435I’ve always beaten dream team in 30 hours, so when I see people say it took them 40+ hours I wondered what the fuck they did for 10+ hours
>>695058067Dd you just skip all of the optional P'llo 2D dungeons or something?
>>695058632No, I did all of that + the attackathon stuff too.I think the only things I didn’t do were the expert challenges.I’m just not very slow when I play games I guess.
would you, /v/?
>>695058813She’s a grade-a cunt
>>695059176I chose the flying ship option because she was too unlikable
>>694986731Yoshi's Island
>>695059493>>695058813I'd be surprised if anyone choose Adaphne considering she proposed kicking everyone off ship-shape except herself and her goons. Ontop of just generally being a total bitch.
>>695046686I think the final ones in the games that can be too long in all the gamesOnly time I felt like it was sluggish was with the shells in dream team, but the attacks after that are a lot faster
>>695060876Speaking of that, one thing I find strange is that Luigi's shell is overall slower than Mario's in Brothership. It's still not the worst and I get why it's like that since the two function differently, but it's interesting.
>>695061109Yeah, it's a consequence of the shells being retooled to have different functions this time.
>>694974589but that's sparks of hope
>>694974336I wish Nintendo would retain that art style for all Mario games.
>>695062359>reddish-pink DEI hatno thanks
>>695061309Mario's being single target and Luigi's being AOE was a thing since Dream Team. The only difference is that Luigi's finisher is also AOE.
I always thought about stuff like what if they made an eshop title that was just the boss fights and you could mix and match bros attacks across the entire series
>>695063367I think he means how the red shell is one big hit compared to how it was before
>>695037142Source?
>>694974336I wished the battle themes packed more punch.
>>694974394kek
>>695047143Give me one single piece of evidence that Toads don't reproduce through mitosis
>>694991364>If I can put down the controller for longer than 5 secondsGood news, you won't be able to because you'll fail and the next turn happens.
>>695063587One big hit + works on airborne targets this time compared to multiple small hits + AoE finisher + works only on grounded targets.
Which brother's stat spread do you like more? Mario's BP, POW, SPEED focus or Luigi's HP, DEF, STACHE focus?
>>695069014One thing I noticed is that the stat difference seems very minimal in comparison to other games. The only big difference is their starting stache where Luigi has a decent chunk more. Mario's spread seems better focused for what the game incentivizes, even if the difference isn't much.
>>695060259I recall an anon attempting to find a video of someone going with adaphne’s plan to see how things change and they struggled to find one since almost no one chose it
>>694986731It's a very easy explanation: Pacing.Superstar Saga had some great pacing where no area overstayed its welcome, you had frequent bossfights, ability upgrades scattered all through the game and dialogue didn't go overboard.In the pursuit of making a game "grander", it is very easy to fuck up pacing by filling the game with excessive dialogue or traversal
>>695070406The consequences just seem ridiculously harsh, Technikki, the IDLEs and even princess Peach and Starlow get effectively banished to Jellyfish Island for the rest of the game.
>>695070531Well, mostly. The length between the Hand powers and their respective Bros. Attacks are a bit too long between for my taste.>>695069291Maybe. HP seems to grow the most, followed by POW, DEF, and SPD, then BP and STACHE.
What if Connie looked like this?
>>695075565Not nearly as sexy.
I just got to the 3rd sea and I am loving how absurdly edgy some of the Glohm'd NPCs can get
>>695018784>Why are they wasting their time with this kino instead of making the sequel to manchild slop?TTYD has worse gameplay than any M&L. You aren't a story cuck, right?
>>695075683Connie is cute! Cute!
It's got some pretty fun dungeons which got me thinking, how come most modern rpgs don't have any fucking dungeons or let alone good ones. Seriously any recent rpgs with some good ass dungeons?
Where does she rank on the cute and funny tier-list?
>>69507896511/10 cute. Not really a funny person.
>>695078481A Florall NPC talks about how great the Uni Tree would look if you burned it. Shit's crazy
>>695075565>Remove her best feature
>>694974452Bowser's Inside Story > Superstar Saga > Brothership > Dream Team > Partners in Time > Paper Jam
>>695083243Do Bowserfags really believe this?
>>694974336man tendies are REALLY mad they got no nominations
>>694974394/thread
Nothing will ever top the kinography of starting the Cackletta boss fight with 1HP. Nothing will ever top the perfect pacing of having a sub-20 hour RPG with zero filler. The series peaked with SSS.
>>695084158wasn't joke's end filler?
>>695084158>level SPD>use a Max NutWow, hard.
>>695084158Joke's End sucked and Cackletta starting you at 1 HP was the literal only time the game was remotely difficult (and could still be circumvented if you were fast enough)
>>695084158>zero filler>bean star hunt that consists of a fetch quest in a fetch quest, minor mandatory minigames, and backtracking>not fillerThat’s not even getting into the drawn out tedium of jokes end and the forced koopaling fights which are all easy as fuck (just like the game in general)
>>695084158going to the seafloor twice wasn't filler?
>>695085360Why were the non-character Koopalings even listening to Bowletta?
>>695084158People really just memoryhole most of the series's flaws, huh?
>>695087107I don’t knowI think minion quest in the remake probably says something about it but I still never finished that part despite owning the remake for 7 years
>>695087262This was apparently obvious when people called Brothership "handholdy" as if it doesn't have the least intrusive tutorialization in the franchise with popups you can literally just mash through for the vast majority of things the other games would've forced you to sit through an explanation for.
>never played through PiT, decide to get through it>it's over in a flashI honestly thought I was only halfway through. That's it? It just ends like that?
>>695087520minion quest bullshits it by having bowletta use magic to transform into actual bowser offscreen and yell the minion captains and koopalings to kill mario in a fake endingthe goomba captain notices that bowser used harsh language and that he never says to outright kill mario and thats what tips him off
>>694974394FPBP
>>695088069PIT is the shortest by farThat’s not a bad thing but I think with all the switching between the bros and babies, it feels way longer
>>695090012The main thing that bothers me is that it feels pretty anti-climatic. It wasn't a bad game at all, but it felt as if it was setting up for some big continuation, but all you get is some gimmick fight and it ends.
>>695065342It's pronounced "Mitoadsis" thank you very much.
>>695075565BIG BOOTS
Managed to finally beat the game, was the final boss a pushover for anyone else? Abused waitaminute and that bros. move plug that boost your bros. move attack and was dealing 5,000+ and killed him before he could even counterattack
>>694974336Bing bing wahoo
Holy freaking shit this thread is still up, the best surprises are coming back to a thread you were in yesterday, finishing and reading some replies only to discover you can still reply!Would you guys like to see Brothership music on the Nintendo Music App? They do have spoiler filter for music that could be spoilers, personally I’d like to see Superstar Saga music, the Popple & Rookie fight is such a jam and banger
>>694974558I think the game has the best battle system but the worst of almost everything else, with the electric outlet theme being one of my least favorite things about it. M&L series to me has always been too different from the Mario series, but I feel it more so with this game. Other than Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, some toads, and a handful of Mario enemies, it feels like a different franchise but in a bad way. I hate to bring up Paper Mario but the first 2 games found a great comfy balance between Mario and unique. The setting and atmosphere feels bland and depressing. I do think the music isn't bad though, I'm one of the few that likes the battle themes and music like the ice level or rain forest.
>>695037142Could Nintendo buy acquire?Though if anything, we might see all the ex-alphadream employees working at acquire jump ship to Nintendo/another company
>>695031281I can't believe Nintendo games of all things are the ones being pozzed. The in-house ones.
>>694974336>in your pathwhat is this fucking meme, i don't understand
>>694974618I just like playing as Bowser and the final boss is rad, but other anons have reminded how many damn gimmicky mini-games and tutorials there are.
>>695022490It's the reason I stopped playing Dream Team and never touched it again years ago. Too much fucking gimmicky shit that slows down the pace. It was especially frustrating because Paper Mario was dead and I just wanted at least one normal Mario RPG series.
>>695037142>Sony buys kadokawa>immediately shuts down spike chunsoft and aqcuire
how do i beat the level 100 bob-ombs
>>695094062You bob-on them
I just beat the first great lighthouse or whatever, please tell me I beat the tutorial already. This game is so fucking boring but now I read people saying I have to play 15 hours before it gets good.
>>695094307>I read people saying I have to play 15 hours before it gets goodThis but unironically. Takes a good several hours before picking up and you’re still a bit of a ways there from it
>>695094418>and you’re still a bit of a ways there from itholy fuck. I give up if true.
is arc scope really the only way to get bonus exp in the gamedid they learn nothing from the one exp sock in BIS
>>695094918Yea it’s about another island or two before things properly ramp up. Least a solid few more hours. It’s as much of a slog as the rest of the game beforehand, but get through and they stop explaining things
>>695018784I don't see why you can't accept that their can be multiple different Mario RPG series that exist.Mario and Luigi getting a new game in their series doesn't mean that Paper Mario isn't going to be ignored and left to the wayside even though it really should.
>>695026085Seriously what the fuck is it about the Gamecube that brings out the worst in people
>>695094062You don't, let them explode and you just need to try to survive.
>>695045715It's not DQVII levels of slow at the very least
>>695018784You suck cocks and instead they should make Super Paper Mario with better gameplay.
>>695018784Least retarded TTYDfag.
>>694990949Looks like a faggot-ass hazbin hotel character, and from the sound of it, acts like one too.My nigga Dimentio would blast his Faggot TV face into another dimension.
before thread dies where do i find treasurefish
>>695001196Fucking this. I still don't get how anyone hated Partners in Time. It was really creative for what it was during the DS era. The controls weren't bad either imo. I loved the story, but I just wish the battle theme wasn't the worst in the series. The boss battle was good though.
>>695078965Connie Hips [] _ []
>>695094307>>695094918>>695095626I honestly only see myself playing this game once and maybe selling it, this game unfortunately is too slow paced, there’s the idea of making a permanent save for future replays but even I’m too lazy to start all over
>>695097929fish with expensive bait in 4th or 5th sea with mario
>>695096704Based and Mimi Sexo
https://youtu.be/pqr76NFQ9JI?t=5918&si=a-3ew0KSFehMZkBM>the scene where Connie's spray can that holds the power of Bonds revives you and clears away Weeping Reclusa's solitude with this song playing and Snoutlet giving you the most kino speech about how you gave the people of Concordia courage and hope and he doesn't feel any form for fear because you're here to stand up to ReclusaGonna sound like a fag, but this shit was pretty kino man. I wish they never did the Superstar Saga remake on the 3DS and were able to survive until the Switch. Would have been god tier to see stuff with the cutscenes. Still bummed bowser didn't have his own boss theme
>>695098751Game did excellent when it came to showing all the different bonds throughout the gameMakes it all the more of a shame that we’ll never see any of these characters or Concordia ever again
>>695098587not that guy but thanks
is it me or is this game incredibly stingy with coinsi swear on my life the coin glasses aren't boosting gains at all
>>695099390Yeah... seeing the little uni tree bud Connie gives you and it being planted at the end fucking made me almost tear up. Despite it being sorta short, I liked the lil kids on Shishape because they took initiative to help save Concordia too. I have a soft spot for children too.
>>695099593How tf are you low on coins? I ended the game with 200,000+ in the bank. Was running both the golden POW and golden STACHE gloves and the boost they gave made them the most busted gear in the game
>>695094062You have a few methods>Just dodge normally since each attack from them kills one>Use the Battle Plug that blocks all damage that turn and the Battle Plug that stops you from being KO'd from over 1 HP until they all explode>Seedle-ize to get rid of a few Bob-OmbsEquip the plug that block
>>695099857im at the end of the game and i only have 8000 coins what the fuck am i doing wrongi haven't sold a single thing if that means anything
>>695099823My only cope for a return to concordia is the uni-tree sapling growing up and being able to bridge a connection with concordia’s uni-tree because something-something bonds. It’s cope, but it’s a plausibility
>>695100135Yea i’d say there’s your issue, selling can easily net you quite a bit, and if you’re at the endgame you should have plenty of high-end accessories and even gear you aren’t using. Gold medallions can net you an easy 1k alongside treasurefish, and a rainbow medallion is 5k alone
>>695100303Does the game even explain how the characters got transported to Concordia in a first place? You can bullshit something with that too
>>695100451yes the game does explain god did it having known of the marios fame
>>695100451When Concordia broke, The Great Conductor summoned them to concordia to help fix things knowing how strong mario and luigi’s bonds areUnfortunately at the end he also says that because of the summoning them and other things happening he only has enough energy to send them back home and that it would be a one-way trip, meaning they wouldn’t be able to come back and writing off any chance of a return
>>695099593Just fish for a few minutes, the good fish are easy to catch and sell for 300 coins each. It breaks the economy actually.
>get 30 seedle seedswhat
>>695101409Just do it bro. Florall has a bunch. Treasure Specs x2 + the enemy drops plug
Game good or not, just wanna see more art spawn since there's good stuff to seeHere's one from me of Reclusa
Just beat the game.OP is right, this is the best game in the series, anyone saying otherwise got filtered by the first ocean. Literally the only flaw are some dropped character threads what the fuck happened to Patriarc and the lack of a postgame/secret boss.
>>695101752He literally shows up in the credits
>>695101791Yeah, but you get a glimpse of him during the credits after like 15 hours of literally no mention of him after the last note.
>>695101752>>695101857I assume he was enslaved in one of the lighthouses and we just never came across him.
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