This one graciously seeks a Mass Effect thread. This one asks inquisitively if the venerable denizens of /v/ agree that the beautiful Liara is the canon and best romance of the trilogy.This one concedes that the desirable Tali is also an acceptable choice, but this one must reprimand all players who mistakenly chose the path of human romance in this series.
stfu faggot *punches you in the balloon* buy my junk, I need to go back to Freedom's Progress
>>695148616I used to like Tali but on repeat playthroughs I found the romance in these games more and more cringe.I simply don’t care about alien roasties I just want to shoot geth and reapers with my bros.
>>695148890keep losing shields /v/ro
>>695148616Dismissively, Liara and Tali are both strongly implied to be virgins. Provocatively, a hero like Shepard would prefer someone a little more experienced like Jack or Miranda over some nervous, stuttering nerd
>>695148890based.Played the whole game with garrus and dr. mordin solus until i unlocked Legion, and then I kicked garrus out for being too normie.Me, Legion, and Mordin were the super autismo brothers
>>695148616>convergent evolution doesn't make sense so i'll make floating gummy tentacle alienKinda boring
>>695148616You're a big stupid jellyfish and only autists wear shirts with your face in them>>695148890I always felt like this. Romance in these games is neat in a "side fling that contributes to the feeling of hero's journey and doesn't overstay its welcome" way, keeping Shepard as a centered military commander that doesn't fraternize with his professional crew. The more content romances are given like Liara the more it makes the setting feel like a soap opera.My canon Shepard's romance was Jack. You keep it strictly professional in 1, have a enough thing in 2 then both of you have your respective jobs as Alliance commander and Alliance teacher respectively, still like each other and are in a relationship but the Reaper War comes first and you both act like adults and don't turn the Normandy into a korean soap opera highschool.
>>695148616Go to hell you autistic jellyfish
>>695150929>>695149415I never ever understood the attraction to Jack.>REEE FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT YOU'RE NOT MY DAD
>>695151328"I can fix her" is a male urge as old as time itself
>>695148616>This one asks inquisitively if the venerable denizens of /v/ agree that the beautiful Liara is the canon and best romance of the trilogy.There's no canon romance. If you start ME2 without importing a previous save or ME3 without importing a previous save, there's no Liara romance continuation. If she was the canon choice you'd automatically romance her. There's no canon romance.
liara is a frigid bitch
>Hyperintelligent alien species is a jellyfishWhat are some other horrible science-fiction tropes?
>>695151328>>REEE FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT YOU'RE NOT MY DADUh, that's super hot?
>>695151894>hyperintelligent>using the logic of "my creators were mindbroken and enslaved then transformed into something horrific, that means they "chose" to serve the Reapers and I must serve them too :)Nyo.
>>695148616Liara is too forced on you and her personality shift on 2 is cringe
>>695148616"this one" is such a lame way to avoid pronoun usage
>>695148616>canonShepard does not romance anyone in the default choices (no savefile) so it can't be canon. You can call it the most popular maybe? (if that's even true idk).
>>695148616Haaaah, we knows your tricks. Only asari are good. No suitrats here!
>>695152254>if that's even true idkIt probably isLiara is an attractive female romanceable by both genders so she's bound to be the most popular. Add in the fact that she's the only one you can romance all 3 games and it's a given
>>695152487Vorcha are repulsiveI can't believe Miranda fucks them
I didn't like the Liara romance. I think the devs implemented it very clumsily in 2 and 3, and frankly they shouldn't even have done it in 1.A big reason why the Tali romance for Shep and Garrus romance for Femshep felt so good in 2 is because you had almost two games worth of buildup for it. Liara jumping on Shep so early in 1 seems abrupt and too soon idk.
>>695148616>https://vocaroo.com/1jH1wkRfAyrR
>>695152487Why the fuck did they design the Vorcha to look so comically evil. They barely even have facial movement in 2 so they just end up looking like default asset store "evil aliens" shoved into the game.Seriously all they had to do was reduce the darkspawn esque features a bit and have their teeth covered, and then when angry or excited have their mouths open up like in pic related showing their full set of teeth.
>>695148616just about to land on virmire bros, which one should I save?
300,000 casualties wasn't enough for these space niggers
>>695152935Kaidan's a true bro and if you romance someone early enough in 3 you'll never let the writers turn him gay
>>695152935ashley for trad romance, kaidan if you romance literally anyone else.
Is ME1 badly written? Why does everyone including a random journalist know who I am 2 hours into the game? How did word of Eden Prime spread so quickly, and how does everyone know I’m investigating Saren?Why does Shep slam his arms and full torso on the counter every time he’s talking to a bartender/shopkeeper regardless of his attitude?
>>695154592Shepard is a legendary hero regardless of your choices at the beginning, this is used to justify your combat competency, your persuasiveness, skills and why you're given so much respect and influence.The Council and Citadel are extremely central, combine it with relays that allow near instant travel and it means news of all kind travels very quickly. The main planets you go to all have ties in some form to Saren, but outside of that it's not hard for anyone of some importance to grab some details. Eden Prime was also THE human colony that mattered so it had a lot of alien and human investment and eyes on it. So any news at all is devoured and spread.>Why does Shep slam his arms and full torso on the counter every time he’s talking to a bartender/shopkeeper regardless of his attitude?dunno jank I guess.
>>695153256We should've had a batarian squadmate, prove me wrong
>>695153305>>695153423romancing blue, so kaiden it is.
>>695155185Neat, lock-in Liara's ME3 romance post-coup first to get his non-homo conversation trigger
>>695155128only if i get to execute it like ashley did wrex
>>695155310yo good tip. ty anon
>>695150929Based Jackbro. It's cool to see her again in 3 and find her well adjusted on her own rather than just being a Shepard groupie
>>695152935Always kill Kaiden, because otherwise survivor's guilt makes him gay
>>695155128I absolutely agree. I would love to argue about the Bahak Incident.
>>695155780>and find her well adjusted on her own rather than just being a Shepard groupieLmao cope because she's not a party member.
>>695153256The 'space niggers' are Krogan lol, think about it (unless you're too gay and retarded). Batarians (well, the Hegemony, but still) are soviets.
>>695156108I like getting new party members. No skin off my back.
>>695152935Who cares, no one uses either one.
>>695148616Imagine you are tasked with fucking that thing. How would you tackle the matter?
>>695152650Vorcha are literally just space niggers and I love them lmao
>>695156283>space niggers' are Krogan lolNeverNiggers have never won a war in their lives
>>695151328unironically one of my favorite people to romance in 2 as a purple shepard
>>695148616Makes sense that tentacle freaks stick together. Who could ever find this abomination attractive?
I love mass effect, bros..
>>695152920To reinforce how disgusting primitive and retarded they are They are literally cockroach people, they have short lives and are unbelievably stupid. The races in mass effect are not equal, Krogan and Asari live for 1000 years, Vorcha live for approximately 20.
>>695157129I am commander Shepard, and this is my favorite post on the thread.
blueberry
>>695155061Fair I supposeWhat about when you first go to Chora’s Den and are immediately attacked by two assassins with zero dialog but Kaiden says “those were Saren’s men…”How did he know? Isn’t it just a shitty part of town? It could’ve been literally random thugs wanting to mug soldiers
>>695148616>that story that Zaeed tells you about how strong physically strong Hanar actually are
How do u guys choose your squad? Based on the story content of the mission or you always bring your favs?
>>695158156There isn't zero dialogue though there is very little, The assassins say "That's him" (aka they know it's Shepard), they are attacking armed soldiers with shields on, which is beyond retarded if they are muggers, and they are both Turians.You're right that it's not really confirmed who they are. But it's an extremely obvious and likely deductions. Shepard doesn't really have any enemies at all on the Citadel aside from Saren at this point in the beginning.
Never ask a Terra Firma supporter what his girlfriend's race is
>>695157523Is this modded or vanilla? I remember in the original ME3 Liara didn't look as good as she did in Shadow Broker. I haven't gotten around to a replay in the Legendary Edition yet.This looks a little bit smooth but otherwise very good.
>>695154592There's a mission in the second game where you're infiltrating a party full of wealthy and presumably well-connected criminals, and Shepard just uses an fake name without making any attempt to disguise himself at all.It's not the worst thing in the world...but...yeah.
>>695148616This goofy space-opera shit is why I love ME1 more than the others. It really felt like an earnest, balls-out homage to 90s sci-fi novels, without the LE FUNY BLASTO millenial brainrot.Drew Karpshyn was the soul of the franchise.>>695151328If you wouldn't get a raging boner in the presence of that fatherless tart you're gay or retarded or both,.
>>695159087>mating with asari so everything becomes asari>mating with other xenos and not propogating the human race at allwhich is worse?
>>695158581Different Squad different playthroughUsually Waifu and Homie
>>695160541Sex with barren humans for the worst of both worlds
>>695161213Even though her father genetically engineered her to have body of a fertility goddess?Just adopt a refugee kid from the reaper war lmao.
>>695148616Counterpoint you big stupid Jellyfish>Jack>MirandaAre both acceptable choices
>>695148616>no huskified hanarI'm mad.
>>695161213>tfw no latex mirandanon
>>695151328>Kinda good looking for a hobo punk>"I can fix her">She's genuinely fixed in ME3>somehow even more attractive>actually funny
vanguard in ME3 is fun, what shotgun should I run? I've been mostly trying to stack power cooldown and shields so I can spam charge and nova as much as possible, and does anyone know if barrier also boosts nova damage?
>>695155128>>695156103Things we didn't get:>Alari bird nigga snowflake>Batarian racist>No Salarian in ME3>No Vorcha negro>No hamstermanKind of a loss, all things considered. The jellyfish and the cows I would never expect as squadmates though
>>695158303Does he really?
>>695162791I think the slug shotgun has the single highest damage per single shot might be the best but you don't unlock it early. Idk about Nova but iirc it scaled off of your in-game barrier and the barrier ability is just damage reduction rather than bigger shield like in 1/2
>>695163031I snagged a mod that unlocks loads of weapons as purchasables early so I can play around with the weapon pool without needing to sweat game progression too much, I did already buy the slug shotgun but I don't like how it feels, and it's like the heaviest shotgun in the game so it reduces my ability to spam charge. and I just double checked and yeah barrier is only damage mitigation instead of stacking more shields, which helps because I'm usually at around half barrier at all times thanks to the double nova skill node but there's probably better options for me to run.
>>695162791claymore is fun, especially if you learn to reload cancel.
>>695163363Since shield increases are usually lower than just more ability damage you'd probably be best off of with ability damage mod and just getting better barrier/shields from the career skill. As for the shotgun, I think midway through the game there's a relatively fast firing shotgun with good damage but it has low ammo capacity. It's not the slug shotgun though. Maybe look around the DLC weapon files for a shotgun and try them out. Shame the legendary edition has no multiplayer
I've never even considered that I could actually play this game as a zoomerI always just treated it as "before my time" like I missed out on an eventShould I play it?
>>695163898yeah they're worth a playthrough, just know that ME3's story and character writing is notably a step down to the previous 2 games
>>695163898I dunno, I consider everyone younger than me subhuman
>>695163898yeah it's pretty good, easily over 100+ hours of some decent entertainment your first time
>>695163898>I always just treated it as "before my time" like I missed out on an eventAlways felt that way with EvangelionNever was a problem with vidya for me
>>695163898you should, first one might be a little rough on you because it was made before bioware figured out 3d console shooters, but its still very doable and the storytelling is peak. 2 and 3 should be no issue as gaming really hasnt evolved much since those were made.
>LiaraZzzzz
>>695148616>This one asks inquisitively if the venerable denizens of /v/ agree that the beautiful Liara is the canon and best romance of the trilogy.Normal people have sex with humans and not with animals or aliens. That is miscegenation and degenerate behavior at best.
>>695153256https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gwjI8fm4B8
>>695148616Do you even fuck Liara or do you just mindmeld with her?
>>695165985Part of the mindmeld includes fucking.
>>695165985You tell me
>>695164057>ME3's story and character writingI know you're just regurgitating shit you've heard because you can't formulate your own opinions, but if you actually play the trilogy and don't wait between each game the writing quality drops significantly in 2. With very heavy focus on action moments, odd self referencial writing and joss whedonesque jokes, and the crew that you do get back from 1 all go from relatively serious and introspective to a bunch of jokers straight from a marvel movie at times. The self referencial "member this" moments were the fucking worst though and Garrus gets the worst of it.
thermal clips
>>695166073I don't think so, Asari can breed with females, cumming inside isn't necessary >>695166137I don't think that proves anything either. I bet Ashley doesn't have a modeled pussy or nipples either
>>695166389>I know you're just regurgitating shit you've heard because you can't formulate your own opinionsthat is my opinion I formulated by playing the games>but if you actually play the trilogy and don't wait between each game the writing quality drops significantly in 2I've been playing all 3 back to back to back in the legendary edition>writing quality drops in 2the overarching plot and main story writing gets worse, character writing generally is pretty good, you disliking the evolution of characters being able to joke with each other when relaxing in the ship is wholly subjective. ME1 Garrus only talks about how his dad was also a citadel cop and he's happy to be working for a spectre, and that's it. And even then most of his conversations in 2 are somber reflections of his failure to his squad. 3 is the worst version of what you describe because you have characters LITERALLY going wahoo to shooting reaper forces on the Turian moon during the turret section. I'm willing to entertain this discussion but if you're going to be a massive faggot about it you can eat my entire ass
>>695163898They’ve got great world building and it’s rare to get western sci fi RPGs done right The shooting is basic but you can get abilities that make it interesting All the squad mates are generally great and their AI is actually competent Plus the games have genuine humor that isn’t muh ironic hahas or nonsense writing like borderlands (though the stories are very serious, the humor shows up unexpectedly in side quests and random dialogue)
>>695165985Asari have vaginas so sure you can fuck them while embracing eternity
>>695167110Classes (barring soldier) getting more than one ammo type seemed like such a waste always
>>695149415my shepard just jacked off in the men's bathroom like a normal marine
>>695151894They didn't evolve to be that way though. They were artificially uplifted. An aquatic species can't naturally reach sapience because the high viscosity of water precludes the use of many tools, the high heat capacity makes seasonal changes less severe, removing the evolutionary incentive to become more intelligent and figure out ways to survive winters, and the electrical conductivity of water precludes the discovery of electronics.
>>695151328Jack unironically has the most feminine facial features and makeup out of all the human women in ME.
>>695148616I've never played this series. What's it like?
>>6951663892 lost a lot of charm 1 had which is true, it's also true that 3 doesn't go to shit when you see Starchild or hear the words "Citadel beam", it goes to shit at Mars. Also they super-whitewashed geth for no reason which made them come off as bigger victims than krogan despite killing billions of unarmed quarian civilians as their opening move.
Is there any major reason to choose the Legendary edition versions if I already have the originals? I dislike a lot of the ME1 graphical changes.
>>695169207Weren't the geth established as having not struck first even in ME1?Also, the ME2 really is when the series went bad, in the sense of it losing it's identity as a more idea type scifi instead of drama type scifiIt had a lot great shit in it that people liked it though, so nobody minded
>>695169594The biggest selling point is changes to ME1 so if you're against that there's no reason to play Legendary. They introduce stuff like some of the assault rifle makes being 3-burst or semi-auto for example, and nerfing pistols so they're not highest DPS for every class. As far as 2 and 3 go I feel like it adds as many new bugs as it fixes old ones. Including glaring ones like no medigel counter for the clone fight.
>>695169992It was always portrayed as Quarians not being completely in the right, that is true. But they went too far in 3 when they didn't need to. Of course geth had a right to fight for their survival, but then they introduce shit like geth intentionally sparing the flotilla (while genociding every Quarian on Rannoch) or the pro-geth Quarians that must've been killed off by geth as well because there's no way realistically the Quarian military had the time to round them all up as they were in the middle of getting assfucked by robots. Compare this to Salarians and Krogan doing both reasonable things and really fucked up things which gave their conflict dimension. Also them memoryholing the established fact (granted, that happened back in 2) that geth kill any organics that cross into the Perseus Veil on sight, and I mean real geth, not heretics.
>>695169017pretty kino in spite of what the fags on this board say - in spite of the ending, which is objectively dogshit.
>>695148616 love to stay and chat with you guys but my face is tired.
>>695151328Jack as character is ok but her aesthetic threw me off she is more suited for Cyberpunk that Mass Effect
>>695158581ME1: Garrus and Liara. Sometimes WrexME2: Garrus and Miranda. Sometimes Grunt or Samara and ThaneME3: Garrus and Liara sometimes Javik or Tali
>>695162791n7 Piranha
>>695165642>Saren's second in command and secondary antagonist>Only one mission and she diesBioware were idiots even back then
>>695172609What did you want? A boss fight that's actually a sex minigame where you have to orgasm her to death?
>>695173110Yes
This one saw Commander Shepard at a convenience store in the Presidium yesterday. This one told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but this one didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”This one was taken aback, and all this one could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting this one off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of this one's face. This one floated away and continued with this one's shopping, and this one heard him chuckle as this one floated off. When this one came to pay for this one's stuff up front this one saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen thermal clips in his hands without paying.The elcor at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Friendly Reminder: Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear him, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.When the elcor took one of the clips and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped him and told him to scan them each individually “to prevent any Reaper infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at this one. This one doesn’t even think that’s a word. After the elcor scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting him by yawning really loudly.
>>695151328if you imagine hair on her she is the prettiest crew member of the entire saga
>>695152935The xenophobic woman with the nice ass of course
>>695166516https://youtu.be/V46KYxFav24?t=124
>>695171564I meant the gameplay.
>>695148616>"Commander."
>>695169594An audio bug in the OG version made all the sounds on Feros cut out intermittently for me. Probably hardware dependent tho.
>>695174264report to the ship immidietly
>>695162937Says he wore a neck brace for two weeks to hide the humiliation and vowed never to underestimate a Hanar ever again.
>>695151328I tried her romance out of curiosity and it was alright but not something I'd call amazing. It's made specifically for dads looking for a confused bad girl to fix.
>>695151328>bald ME2 JackI sleep>redeemed ME3 Jack with hairREAL SHIT
>>695148616only played ME2 in highschool or so and romanced Jack. Just started my playthrough of ME1 on the LE and I think I want to romance ashley until Miranda in 2. Liara also doesnt have a futa cock like all the pictures online Also whats more accurate in game dialog or codex? In game the genophage is 1/10 babies are stillborn, but in the codex its 1/100 im pretty sure.
>>695161752>Even though her father genetically engineered her to have body of a fertility goddess?*hits pipe*
>>695175089>In game the genophage is 1/10 babies are stillborn, but in the codex its 1/100 im pretty sure.I swear I remember Wrex saying 1 in 1000 but it's been so long since I last played the ME games
>>695163898It holds up pretty well (especially the remaster with its gameplay changes to 1), it's worth a playthrough. You won't really miss out on references or anything and actually being disconnected from the ending drama of its time might let you enjoy it more. It's an artifact of the past decade in the sense that you don't see these kind of grand trilogies with intricate worldbuilding being made anymore in the West.
I currently have the vanilla trilogy and am itching to play through it again, since I never dabbled in mods. At least with ME1, would modded Legendary be a better experience than modded vanilla?
>>695152920>live on a wasteland planet>resources are so rare you need to adapt to the enviroment>wich also leads to figthing over every single drop of water to the death>wich leads to higher regeneration and strenght, yet less life span years (not like you are gonna past the age of 5 there anyways)the world molds you
>>695169992I think that the shift to the drama scifi was inevitable and expected. ME1 has set up the world but barely done anything with 90% of its lore, it was up to the other entries to dig deeper and more personal and somewhat they have delivered on that in 2. I appreciated them getting into topics like genophage, quarian vagrancy, geth way of thinking, asari's age and so on from the perspective of people, not concepts, if that makes sense.
I only like ME1.
>>695148616Why can't we have good RPGs anymore bros?
>>695176084Same (mostly)
>>695151894>liquid metal and neigh indestructible
>>695175756>would modded Legendary be a better experience than modded vanilla?Yes, there are a ton of mods now.
>>695175756Vanilla has the art style points but that's pretty much it, Legendary has the gameplay points (gunplay, level and gear progression, fixed weapon mods) and modern technical stuff like HDR and widescreen if you need that, fixed visual bugs and what have you. All depends on what you value more. You can mod LE to get more authentic visuals and solve that issue but I haven't tried it myself yet. Looks pretty good on the mod page at least. 2 and 3 have their DLCs already incorporated in the game so it's so much easier to install that shit now, going with the original you'll have to mod 2 and 3 also. I wish you could mix the saves between the versions.
>>695174963She's so hot with the hairHer designs finally clicks
>>695175956That's what you do in an organic world building, you introduced a wider world and explore just a little part of it because it's so vast you'll never realistically interact with most of it2's drama approach where the universe bends around you isn't nearly as intelligent or interesting
>>695176084
>>695176914I roughly agree but ME2 fails at worldbuilding as often as it succeeds.
>>695153256>A MILLION DEATHS ARE NOT ENOUGH FOR COMMANDER SHEPARD
Quarian girl face sitting
>>695177139I like quarian feet
>>695176914If it never comes up in any way after it was set up then it is a waste of time. What was the point of talking so much about Quarians and the Geth if you would have never met any Quarians aside from Tali in the whole three games? What's intelligent about that? This isn't Dark Souls, this is the current world you're living in and directly interact with.>where the universe bends around youThat's 3's approach. In 2 your contact with Genophage is a moral dilemma where no answer is the right one, you see the consequences of it for both the victims and the perpetrator, but your part in it isn't to give an answer to either of the parties. In 3 though, you're the one who solves the entire thing on your own and gives a definitive answer to everything. Same with Geth, in 3 you decide the entire fate of their "species" but in 2 it's just a moral question of destroy vs rewrite with no definitive answer of what will benefit anyone in the long run. In my opinion that's the key difference. In 2 these major lore points still don't revolve around you, but you do explore them on a closer, personal level, understand them as a participant, not a listener of a VI message or a codex entry.
>>695177882ME3 is very badly written over all. Most people focus on the ending but the whole game is a let down. It lacks nuance.
>>695177882>If it never comes up in any way after it was set up then it is a waste of timeNot at all. The world is full of things you'll never interact or see up close, but because a complex and we'll built world relies on backstory and explanation, it's there to make the whole setting feels richer and lived inI don't understand why you're desperate to swap that for cheap melodrama and big set pieces. There's others game for that
>>695151328she's the white trash option that white trash thinks they can fix
>>695158581Due to the way that the squadmate achievements worked in ME1, I got conditioned into picking two squadmates per game and using them exclusively. On a side note, ME1 having in-game benefits and rewards for achievements is something that I really wish more games utilized. My very first playthrough was a Vanguard Shepard using Wrex and Tali, so I tried to pick allies who covered my shortcomings while also making sure to bring along a dedicated loot accessing bitch. I eventually went through the game with everybody by the time I was done and had numerous save files ready for the next game. So many possible choices and, while I didn't have files with every possible permutation, I had a lot.I don't know if anyone will remember, but, there was a moment when Xbox Live shit the bed due to the huge amount of new console owners that Christmas. They ended up giving people some shitty Live Arcade game for free due to how bad the outage was. Well, during the time that the shit hit the fan, I was in the middle of migrating my profile back to my console after using it at a friend's house. I was able to eventually get my profile working, however, something went awry with it during the process and it disassociated itself with everything on my HD. All of those saves were unusable, they still existed, but I couldn't load them since the link between them and my profile didn't exist anymore. I also lost access to any DLC or digital games I had purchased.My fury over this is only eclipsed by that one anon's hate for ME 3.
>>695178291I always try to use every squadmate and I pick characters for roleplaying reasons.
>>695158581
so uhhhh is andromeda actually that bad? is it worth a cheeky pirate while i wait for legendary edition to go on sale on steam?
>>695148616BIGSTUPIDJELLYFISH
>>695178448Yes, it's crap. Maybe a few fun gunfights here and there. Maybe.
>>695178448the combat is cool, the not-mako is fun to drive, and you can romance a female turianthats about it
>>695178448the only worthwhile thing you can really get out of it is funny bad moments, intended and bugs
>>695178448it's "okay" now, just completely forgettable
ME4 is going to fail. What is the story even going to be now that the Reapers are gone anyways? You need an enemy to fight. You need some form of conflict, and that conflict has to be something that threatens the galactic order / civilization. If you don't have that then what do you have with mass effect?This is why they should have had far more mysteries left unsolved at the end of ME3 instead of just making reapers the be all end all of galactic mysteries.
>>695178245I don't see how interacting with the setting is "cheap melodrama". First games sets it up, the second fleshes it out, that's the right thing to do it. Are you implying that ME1 had no melodrama or big set pieces? I see no reason to diminish the importance of the game being a space opera first and foremost. It's not exactly shy about its dramatic presentation.
>>695178742>You need an enemy to fight. You need some form of conflict, and that conflict has to be something that threatens the galactic order / civilization. If you don't have that then what do you have with mass effect?hey guys look at this retard
>>695178742The woke shit will ruin any good ideas they might have, and I doubt they have any good ideas.I think Mass Effect was always at its best when dealing with the conflicts between the species. A galaxy in chaos rebuilding in the aftermath of the Reaper War is prime for great stories and conflicts. I doubt we'll get that though. They'll want another "big bad".
>>695178815He's talking about Shepard being thrust into the pivotal role for all galactic conflicts.
>>695178448It has its moments but it's very bland compared to the trilogy. A lot of things don't have any payoff and don't really matter. If you don't mind it being 70% chores and 30% something exciting it's palatable.
>>695178828Then who are you fighting in a new game? The fucking shitty green aliens from Andromeda? I mean fuck that better not be where they are going, the Kett were so fucking lame.
>>695157128Asari are the niggers of the Milky Way
>>695179008>Then who are you fighting in a new game?Anyone. Everyone. The Reaper War would disrupt the old power balance. The different species and factions fight to determine the new pecking order.>>695179064They're Jews.
>>695178742that or just left well enough alone and let the series go after 3. They've only got two ways they can go, something even crazier and dangerous in the line of something like wow(akshully theres this other guy) or dragonball where the newest brick shithouse that didn't show up before does now because reasons. Or they can do something mundane, like cerberus terrorism garbage which will feel flat after the scale of everything from original games. Halo more or less went through the same issue and it has stained that series
>>695178923As he should be, he's the protagonist. When did the idea of Shepard being a nameless no rank grunt start? Because it has never been true, it's a Bioware game.
>>695178815>I don't see how interacting with the setting is "cheap melodramaBecause the way he interacts with it, isn't the more grounded and intelligent way it was in ME1I mean Jesus, the opening scene is Shepard dying and getting resurrected
How many asari are even left after Thessia?
>>695174264kuhmmanduh
>>695179116I mean Halo at least still had the mystery of the forerunners after the covenant were defeated, and the covenant were such a massive large force that there were plenty of remnants to play around with. The reapers are all toast though since destroy is going to be the canon ending. >>695179184plenty of other asari worlds, billions probably.
>>695179008the reapers were defeatedthe mass relays were destroyedthe galaxy has been cut off from each other, all factions have taken huge lossesall those forces you mobilized and united in 3 now have no singular threat to unite themremember how you recruited a bunch of criminal organizations? united races that hate each other?god where could the conflict possibly come from if not for da reapersfucking moron please kill yourself if you think mass effect is nothing without reapersplease completely ignore the world and lore and charactersLE REAPERS MASS EFFECT IS NOTHING WITH OUT LE REAPERS
>>695179128>As he should be, he's the protagonist.The question is; should every conflict in this setting be resolved by the player or should some of them be core aspects of the setting that remain open questions?There is no inherent reason that the trilogy needs to "solve" the genophage or the geth/quarian conflict. >>695179184Probably tens if not hundreds of billions. They are the most populous race in the galaxy. The question is; how many humans are left? The bulk of humanity still lives on Earth in Mass Effect and the total colonial population is probably way less than 1 billion. Probably half that. Humanity's biggest colony is Terra Nova with about 4 million people.
>>695179128Being the protagonist is different from the being the center of the universeME1 makes Shepherd uniquely qualified to understand and unlock the prothean beacons and the mystery they hold, it doesn't make him the Supreme Commander of all Galaxy in a war against Ancient Robot Old Ones
>>695151463That’s like trying to fix a pile of sawdust.
>>695179159Is listening to Tali go on and on about the structure of Quarian high society really more grounded and intelligent than seeing Quarians and their struggle, sometimes self-inflicted because of their isolation? Where did you find melodrama in that?
>>695179268An example he would understand: imagine an RPG about Earth in the modern day. It's a trilogy. By the end of the story the main character solves the Israel/Palestine conflict, ends world hunger and poverty, and ends the FED.
>>695179253>should every conflict in this setting be resolved by the player or should some of them be core aspects of the setting that remain open questions?In ME2 it was the latter. You're thinking ME3.
>>695179425What makes it melodrama is how personally involved all the main characters are in these conflicts. All of them are also at the center of it. At least Mordin, Tali, Grunt, and Legion are anyway. >>695179536Yeah, I agree.
>>695179008There's an entire wealth of conflict to be had in Restoration Era Milky Way. Now that the galaxy has survived the biggest existential threat imaginable you can draw Cold War parallels with the Turians and the Salarians. You can show the Asari losing their grip on the Council as Humans rise to prominence since they basically tout themselves as the saviors of the galaxy piggy backing Shepard's reputation. There's an entire game about how Humanity shaping the course of the galaxy now that there's no cuttlefish to hold a gun to our heads.
>>695152895Yeah but I’ll be dead.
>>695179628>as Humans rise to prominenceDoubtful because most likely half or more of the human race is dead. Humanity would lose a lot of power post Reaper War. The Asari would lose power too mainly due to being politically murdered by the revelation they had hid Prothean tech for two thousand years. The turians I can see being weakened to the point that they splinter into separate factions again with each colony fighting for independence or to dominate a new Hierarchy. Meanwhile, previously unknown and insignificant races might have been relatively unscathed by the Reapers and so can now step forward. The salarians were untouched as well.
>>695173774her redesign in 3 is stellar.
>>695179268That's why the war against the ancient robots took the back seat for most of ME1 and 2 and you're instead left with conflicts between smaller tangible entities. The idea of fighting the Reapers head on was always in the realm of impossibility until it for some reason wasn't.
>>695179908The games would have been better if the Reapers were dropped entirely as a concept. A series of games about the conflicts in the galaxy and the role of the first Human Spectre would do well.
>>695165642There simply isn't another villainess in the same vein as Benezia
>>695156536It’s fiction.
>>695151328>REEE FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT YOU'RE NOT MY DADThis is literally every companion in ME2
>>695179997Daro'Xen
Daily reminder that if you played as anything other than a Paragon ManShep Soldier who romanced Liara, you are non-canonical.
>>695179908>That's why the war against the ancient robots took the back seat for most of ME1Excedpt that there was never any war against them in ME1 because the very idea of warring against a bunch of reapers is ludicrous from the way they were introduced on 1It's the thermites in your shed waging war against your familyThe very fact that 2 shifted the narrative to an invasion that could be beat shows what I'm talking about>>695179503Good catch
>>695180138Personally, I always found it stupid and forced that the krogan and genophage are at all relevant to the story in ME3. It really doesn't make any sense given what previous games suggest. The krogan should be a very weak military force given they are an ever shrinking and dying civilization that has never been able to recover or militarize on a grand scale. They should just be totally insigificant in the galactic war. Tough soldiers on an individual basis, but not strategically significant. It also silly that a vast empire like the Turian Hierarchy would need krogan soldiers to fight. It reeks of war being written by some leftist who doesn't even comprehend what logistics are.
>>695179579They're at the center of their own stories involving the events way bigger than themselves. Mordin was just one of the researchers who helped, Tali despite being very high ranking Quarian is still just a kid by their standards, Grunt and Legion are special but still only represent a tiny fraction of what the questions of Genophage or Geth place in the world represent. The picture is so big it is entirely out of focus for you as a person and you percieve it through a prism of those single characters. It's the same as in ME1 only here you cover the topics closer than general statements.
>>695180138>Excedpt that there was never any war against them in ME1 because the very idea of warring against a bunch of reapers is ludicrous from the way they were introduced on 1I wish the series had been thought out some ahead of time. Even if a war with the Reapers was destined to happen, the framing should have been that "this is unwinnable" and Shepard needs some other means to circumvent and end the conflict. Something set up and built towards over the trilogy rather than suddenly stumbled upon at the start of the third game. That's ME2's biggest sin: it spins its wheels with the overarching plot. >>695180329Rather than the cast in ME2 being central to their species' conflicts they should have all had some connection to the Collectors.
>>695179738Humans are on a similar level as literally the rest of the galaxy. The Turians are probably going to align themselves with the Humans to maintain power and security. The Salarians are probably going to maintain strong political influence but won't be popular since they basically pussied out of the conflict. The Asari are desperately trying to keep their place as the leaders of the galaxy but they suffered heavy losses as well and their entire culture may have upended.The Krogans may very well be on the rise. But it will likely be too soon for them to be a galactic superpower.
>>695180419The asari's reputation is in the gutter. They kept Prothean beacons to themselves in order to maintain their technological advantage, when they themselves wrote the provisions that states such beacons had to be shared with the Citadel races.
>>695179982Bioware got caught in "must tie ALL ENDS" meme, there was enough conflicts to solve without the direct involvement of the Reapers.>>695180138>2 shifted the narrative to an invasion that could be beat 2 shifted the narrative to ignoring the Reapers and focusing on smaller stories instead of a plot that is destined to fail no matter how you spin it. 3 shifted the narrative to it being a ground war that can be fought and won.
>>695180419Krogans are like Maoris
>>695180419>Humans are on a similar level as literally the rest of the galaxy. The Turians are probably going to align themselves with the Humans to maintain power and security.No you moron you don't know what you are talking about. Humanity has a population in Mass Effect of a bit more than 11 billion. MOST of those people, as in 11 billion of them, are on Earth. Earth is conquered by the Reapers and ravaged for... months probably? Then a massive space battle is fought in low Earth orbit and all the debris from that would ravage the planet again.Humanity has several colonies but the largest of them has a population of only 4.5 million. So chances are most of the human race did not survive Mass Effect 3, which means there are probably at most some 500 million humans in the galaxy. Probably a lot less than that. So humanity won't have the manpower or economy to be a big player after Mass Effect 3. They'll be little people concentrated on any surviving colonies. The turians could be in a bad spot too. They likely also suffered heavy military losses during the war and their own homeworld was also conquered. However they've bene in space much longer and probably had a higher population over all and spread out more evenly between their homeworld and colonies. They could have lost enough assets to greatly reduce their power projection as thus stability. Their client races and even various turian colonies could break off from the Hierarchy because it is now too weak to administrate them or coral them with force.
Every time you reply to this post, a Batarian dies.
>>695150929>My canon>my>canonlmao
>>695180678Aren't they already irrecoverably endangered?
>>695180750Not endangered enough if you ask me
>>695180671>The turians could be in a bad spot too.And with their good relationship with Humanity are likely to broker an alliance especially since the Salarians are pretty much guaranteed to be maneuvering for a power grab.
>>695180750I doubt it. Their homeworld was conquered early on but they've been in space for a long time and have several colonies. They are probably splintered apart into separate factions.
>>695180609I'm pretty sure them, unwittingly, fostering Prothean artifacts because their fucking Mecca/Vatican was built on top of it is going to be less of a political and more of a cultural blow.Their entire culture basically just got flipped.
>>695180820>And with their good relationship with Humanity are likely to broker an allianceYou can't read and you lack critical thinking skills. Maybe some faction of turians allies with humanity. Or maybe all the turians do if they don't split apart. However it doesn't matter because humanity is too weak to a worthwhile ally to anyone or an important player in galactic politics.
>>695180410>they should have all had some connection to the Collectors.It should've been both ideally. Still I see no problem in letting people understand the setting better. The main feature of ME's narrative is the choices that you make, it's impossible to make them without experiencing something first hand.
>>695180850At least their military is almost completely destroyed; Balak outright states that he's giving Shepard what's left.But some batarians went on the Andromeda mission so even if they die out in the Milky Way, they might flourish in Andromeda.
>>695180907It wasn't unwittingly. The asari counselor knew about it; presumably other asari leaders did too. But they did contribute greatly to the war so the galaxy at large might give them a pass.
>>695180914>You can't read and you lack critical thinking skills.Can you do anything but shit your pants and fling insults?Humanity isn't in the verge of extinction, and to their credit they won the war against the Reapers. The Turians and Humanity could very easily be drawing parallels to early Revolutionary France and Early United States of you weren't too busy having a shit fit to see that.
>>695181034The Asari councilor knows that, but even people of relative esteem like Liara didn't. It wasn't a secret they were all keeping.
>>695180970Wasn't their ship also destroyed, along with the quarians? My Andromeda lore isn't great.
>>695148616Tentaclejob. Imagine.
>>695180961>Still I see no problem in letting people understand the setting betterNeither do I, but you don't need to do that by having every character be so important to the world at large. To be fair though; Tali and Liara were set up that way in the first game. >>695180970Well like I said; they have many colonies and we get to see one or two in ME2 and they have very large populations (granted much of that is probably slaves). Point is; I am sure the batarians are still around. >>695181052>Can you do anything but shit your pants and fling insults?With people who can't fucking read or reason? No.>Humanity isn't in the verge of extinctionI didn't say they were. I said that a realistic consequence of the events of Mass Effect 3 is a 90% or more reduction in the human population which also means a 90% or more reduction in human political, military, economic, and cultural power.
>>695181190They're poisonous.
>>695151463"I can fix him" is girl codedthe actual male urge is "I can save her"
>>695181160>Wasn't their ship also destroyed, along with the quarians? My Andromeda lore isn't great.It's fate is unknown because the DLC and story associated with it was cancelled. Annihilation covers what happens on the ship prior to it reaching Andromeda. There are losses but all the species on board are still present in breeding numbers. Quarians, elcor, batarians, volus, hanar, drell, ect...
>>695181203>I didn't say they were.>90% or more reduction in the human populationOh yeah, I can't read coming from the guy who can't do math and is logistically retarded.
>>695181285Poor drell. They're the hot anthropomorphic ones. They deserve to survive and be fuckable.
>>695181231As if some pesky poison even convinced me not to fuck Miggpli from Teraurge.Just buy some antipoison lotion bro.
>>695181317You fling insults but you don't even back it up with anything. What reasoning are you using to disagree with me here? Do you dispute the established facts of Mass Effect or what? How many humans do you think there are? How many people do YOU think died on Earth during ME3 and what do you think the aftermath of the battle would have been for Earth?Did you know there is a planet in ME2 that had a mass extinction event and permanent alterations to its ecology due to a series of space battles fought in orbit around it? Debris and element zero rained down on the planet which killed off most life and what did survive was mutated. Mind you, the two races fighting over it weren't landing on the planet or attempting to harm it and in fact both would have wanted to preserve its environment as they were in a contest to colonize it. However with Earth it was occupied by a hostile force with no interest in its native ecology hell bent on exterminating and/or assimilating the population. Then the likely two biggest fleets in the history of the galaxy fought a massive and destructive battle in orbit over it.Sorry, this is all way too advanced for you.
>>695181231So are drell. We fuck them.
>>695181618Do all drell where that same outfit? I thought it was just how Thane dresses but do they all dress this way?
>>695180295I always thought that from Wrex's dialogue the solution wouldn't be to cure the genophage, but guide the krogans towards a path where they didn't get themselves killed on a stupidly high basis. It was curing the krogan, not the genophage>>695180410>Shepard needs some other means to circumvent and end the conflict. Something set up and built towards over the trilogy rather than suddenly stumbled upon at the start of the third game.I think that that was what ME1 was hinting with the beacons. You'd study them and navigate their instructions, maybe building the base for a solution thousands of years into the future>no matter how you spin itOh yeah I guess I was th guy that created the Arrival DLC, you know that one featuring that smaller story about the Reapers inavding and Shepherd killing off an entire batarian system to ward them off, for I guess 2 weeksI was also the guy that created that final battle, you know the one where you fight and kill a Reaper and decide what to do with a massive space station that's basically a superweaponSmall stuff
>>695181751Missed>>695180632
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>>695181724The hanar have large textile manufacturing plants that reproduce one outfit they know will fit drell because they know nothing about fashion.
>>695181581>You fling insults but you don't even back it up with anythingAww I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were the only one allowed to do that.90% of Humanity is populated on Earth. Can you show me where in any text it shows that 90% of the population on Earth was eliminated? If I remember right from my most recent playthrough, the best estimate is about half. Which leads me to believe there are about 6.5 billion humans left in the galaxy. Plenty to start a recovery effort, and still plenty to have political influence since the human race is credited to saving the galaxy and have already shown to be in good standings with the Turians after ME3.You should really stop trying to talk down to people when we can see you're talking out of your ass.
I dont care how illegal this is, the Asari need to be destroyed
>>695181751>I always thought that from Wrex's dialogue the solution wouldn't be to cure the genophagHis whole character arc in ME1 is communicating to the player that he eventually understands that his people need to overcome the genohpage by changing their culture and outlook; not by curing it. He literally says this,"The genohpage infected my people, but it's not what's killing them."Curing the genophage would inevitably just repeat history again. Wrex is smart enough to know this. I think even in ME2 he still understood this because we know that Maelon approached Wrex about working on a cure but he was uncooperative. He then sends Shepard out to his research lab without any instruction about preserving what he finds there or being careful. Almost like wants Shepard to deal with this problem since Wrex can't outright tell his people the truth or be seen destroying a cure without losing all credibility and respect. He has to play a long and careful game where he essentially breeds new generations of krogan that are molded to his vision and let the old hard liners and their values die off. However the writers in ME3 forgot this, assuming they ever understood it. The twist in ME3 if Wrex is alive is that it should have been HIM who leaked to Cerberus about the cure to try and destroy it and HIM who secretly doesn't want it cured and he confronts Shepard in the climax if Shepard hasn't gotten the clue and is insisting on helping Mordin or whomever.
>>695179628this. the restoration era could be an empty canvass with as much potential as the first game>>695180914>getting this pissy over me3 lorefor all your condescension you clearly didn't read much of the lore yourself. populations in the mass effect universe are not very thought out or consistent. despite being several hundred years behind in development the humans had a homeworld population comparable to the other species before the reaper invasion and every homeworld was attack. it's vaguely said by a couple chars "earth seems to be getting hit hardest" but there's no reason to take this is proof that humans suffered significantly more homeworld casualties than any other species. as for colonies, there are very few of any species in the game that have significant population. the salarians for example actually had a lower homeworld population than humans despite the fact that the species should in theory reproduce quickly and there are no colonies that can be found in game that have a significant salarian population. further if you follow the renegade path it's explicitly stated in me2 that the humans have become the single most powerful species in the galaxy. were never told what proportions of each species fleet survives the final battle but it's completely reasonable that humans could be a viable power in a post me3 struggle. generally speaking raw population isn't the sole indicator of power anyway (cortez vs aztecs etc)
>>695181909Don't you touch my blueberry.
>>695181860>I didn't realize you were the only one allowed to do that.I have backed up everything I have said. Fuck off you shitter. I'm not going to bother with your posts. You are a waste of time and effort. >>695182036Use your brain.
>>695181203>you don't need to do that by having every character be so important to the world at largeThat's only Tali due to her heritage. Mordin was one of many, Grunt is a lab experiment of one deranged warlord and so on. But that's not what I meant either way, making the setting of the game conveyed through characters doesn't start and end with your companions. It's stuff like two Krogan arguing about fish on the presidium or Asari spending their youth in gangs or Salarians worrying about family affairs, or three guys arguing about Asari appearance, or a Turian hitting on a Quarian girl, or obscure references to characters like Delinaga. I think that's the good stuff even if they overdid with companions being special snowflakes.>Tali and Liara were set up that way in the first game.Tali for sure but the direction they took with Liara in the DLC was pretty questionable, and then they doubled-down on it in 3, I get it but I'm not sure it really fits her.
>>695182070She was a real cutieAshley only got hot on 3
>>695181203>I said that a realistic consequence of the events of Mass Effect 3 is a 90% or more reduction in the human population lol no. >which also means a 90% or more reduction in human political, military, economic, and cultural power.even if the previous premise were correct (it isn't) this would still be wrong
>>695182182>Mordin was one of manyMordin literally invented the genophage and cured itLiara goes from an archeologist to most powerful single woman in space
>>695182103>I have backed up everything I have saidThen back up where it shows that there's only about 120 million humans left in the galaxy?
>>695182182>the direction they took with Liara in the DLC was pretty questionableLiara has been handled in a questionable way since ME2's tie-in material. I don't how the writers fumbled her character so hard but they basically reinvent her with every game. She's three different characters that only share a face and voice actor and name. Totally different personalities in each game. It's very weird.I mean, it should have been easy. Fine, you don't want her to join in ME2 because she might die, but it seems that given the Collectors were written to be former Protheans that surely Liara, a Prothean expert, could have been worked into the plot at some point in ME2 and stayed true to her ME1 characterization?It was dumb to have her recover Shepard's body. Liara would not have obsessed over Shepard like that; she'd have grieved and moved on because she is very mature and that's how asari handle death since most species die centuries before they do. It should have been Garrus that Cerberus recruits to ge Shepard's body and after antagonizing the Shadow Broker he has to go into hiding and become Archangel.
>>695182103concession accepted, have a good one.
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Keep in mind that the most numerous races in the galaxy are still humans, turians, and yes... krogans. The asari and the salarians were never very populous and are probably hurting much more than most following the war. I imagine the geth are up there somewhere as the most prolific now too if you count software programs as people.
>>695152895lmao
>>695182030Fuck someone post the screencap of the "curing the genophage is the worst thing for krogans" post
>>695182261It's speculation based on established lore.Eingana:>Eingana is a hot, beautiful, and deadly world, covered with the debris of ancient starships. Approximately 127,000 years ago, a series of battles were fought over it by two organic species, the thoi'han and the inusannon. Although no records of the conflict remain, most historians agree that both races wanted to colonize Eingana, and neither were willing to share. The two lost hundreds of ships in a series of battles over Eingana and its moon, Barraiya; many of these were eventually pulled in by the planet's gravity well.>The mass effect drive cores of these ships broke apart, dumping refined element zero over large stretches of landscape. This poisoned the environment and a wave of extinctions followed. Many of the animal species that remained showed a tendency to develop biotic powers. As the ecology of Eingana is energetic and aggressive, this makes colonization a deadly peril.Source: https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/EinganaNow consider what happens to Earth. Probably half the population was dead before the final act of ME3, but what do you think might happen afterwards? Most of the rest would die from the fallout and attrition. Now you can dispute the exact numbers. I can be flexible. Humanity might be as few as 300 million or as many as 2.5 billion. Regardless, they'd have lost a lot of practical influence after the war. Sure, for as short time they'd have some respect, but politics comes down to practical ability to project force and humanity will lost most of that. Organisms as a whole do not operate on gratitude or respect but on power and violence. Humanity will probably recover in a century or two, but in the mean time they'd be a lot weaker than they were before.
>>695182626The high EMS ending literally says Earth faces heavy casualties but survived. Are you just basing your assumptions off being a low EMS shitter?
>>695179235>going from galaxy ending threat to this boring shitthis is why stories are suppose to fucking end. what a waste of time
>>695182710Humans no doubt suffered heavy losses, but they also have far more colonies than most races, largely because they stupidly set up colonies in or near the Traverse. Compare them to the elcor, who are critically endangered following the occupation of Dakuuna.
>>695182626Terra Nova:>Terra Nova was one of the Class-1 colonization prospects discovered by the first wave of Alliance surveys in 2150. It was the second human extrasolar colony, and the first beyond the Charon Mass Relay. It currently has the highest population of any Alliance colony.https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Terra_NovaThe population is listed at... 4.4 million. Now how many colonies does humanity have? We don't know, but it's less than 100 surely. Probably less than 50. Possibly less than 30... and Terra Nova is the biggest.Earth has a population of 11.4 billion before the Reapers show up.Just think about it.
>>695182256He was a part of the team and the cure wasn't really designed by him depending on what you choose in 2. Still it's not even the main thing about him. Think about it this way, you already have a "regular guy" on your team in ME2 and NOBODY likes him. Just like nobody liked the most regular guy in the team in ME1. Or rather nobody simply cared. There's nothing wrong with having someone above the ordinary on your team, especially since it's supposed to be a team of experts, the best of the best. Then you have an example of the special snowflake written all wrong in Liara, and it's not even in 2, in ME1 her relations to her mom starts and ends with like two bonus lines in total if you take her with you to kill her. That was supposed to be pretty important and it amounts to nothing in the end. I'd say ME2 handled its special snowflakes better in that regard. Better to be too relevant to something than your relevance amounting to nothing.
It's really gay that you can't convince Mordin that curing the genophage is a bad idea,
>>695182830>but they also have far more colonies than most races,You base this on what exactly? How big do you think those colonies are?Again, given that one of humanities oldest, most prosperous, and biggest colonies has a population of just 4.4 million, how many colonies do you think are out there? Shit, let's look at Eden Prime or Horizon.Eden Prime: 3.7 to 4.2 million (grows between ME1 and ME3).Horizon: around 650 thousand.Do you seriously think there are a billion colonists out there? That would be an unreasonable estimate. Again, how many colonies do you think humanity has and what is their average population? Populations we see in ME1 are tiny with Eden Prime and Terra Nova being by far the biggest. The others we see have a few thousand. Of-course, there are bigger colonies we don't visit like Shanxi and Elysium and such (in ME1 anyway).
>>695183083>Do you seriously think there are a billion colonists out there?I'd say it's more reasonable that there's 1 billion space faring humans vs. 90% of Earth's population being wiped out completely.
>>695183083I don't know about a billion, but in Mass Effect 2, the Illusive Man specifically said "dozens" of human colonies had already been hit, and many millions more humans would be needed to complete the nascent Reaper. So either there are many millions more humans out in the galaxy or the Reapers would have prematurely invaded Earth. My take away was that humans, like the good little roaches we are, spread far and wide fast.
>>695183068It isn't a bad idea, seeing as how recruiting the krogan is one of the strongest war assets you can get. Why the fuck would you want the salarians over that? Hell, if you play your cards right, some salarians end up helping anyway.
>>695183035>He was a part of the teamhe was the leading scientist of that team. He was the Bob Oppenheirmer of that team, the Tom Brady, the Sean Connery in Highlander 2>and the cure wasn't really designed by him depending on what you choose in 2.Still can be though>think about it this way, you already have a "regular guy" on your team in ME2 and NOBODY likes himDude, Garrus was just a space cop in 1. He wasn't the promised Turian or anything. Nobody liked Kaiden (who's actually more unusual than Garrus) or Jacob because their personalities suck, not because they're not special>There's nothing wrong with having someone above the ordinary on your teampretty big diofference from having an exceptional guy to having, I dunno, the woman that leads the second most powerful NGO in the galaxy
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>>695178742Introduce a new player Spectre (NOT SHEPHERD) that can be any species and its set ~100 years after the Reaper War. Have the conflict be with the reforged Terminus Systems, who is encroaching on former Citadel space, and a resurgent Batarian government that is even more caste-system authoritarian than their previous iteration.
>>695182626>Eingana is a hot, beautiful, and deadlyJUST LIKE MY EX
>>695182906>>695183083So the point is, even about only 50 million humans living in the colonies or otherwise off of Earth is probably pushing it. It's probably less than that, but it COULD be that much or even higher than that, but probably not much higher if it is. Now we can speculate about half of Earth's population was dead BEFORE ME3's ending. Now a lot of people might be saved by Control or Synthesis, but I think most people are assuming a new game will based on Destroy. Even with the Reapers defeated all that debris and element zero from hundreds, possibly thousands of Reapers, is going to remain on the planet and crash down onto it. Ditto for hundreds or thousands of organic (and geth) ships lost in the battle. That's tons and tons of ecological and physical/environmental damage just form debris, from impacts and fires and dust, not to mention all the element zero that will poison the environment. Then you have all the logistical damage done to supply chains, food sources, water sources, power, heat, medicine, ect...Billions more would die from all that. Would other races help? Probably, but how effectively? Most of them need to attend to their own people first after all as most of them did not escape the conflict unscathed. >>695183201How do you come to this conclusion? What is your reasoning? Just explain yourself. 1 billon spacers/colonists is POSSIBLE but I don't think it is likely given the numbers we have access to.Elsyium has 8.3 million people on it (a retcon or it grew massively between ME1 and ME3). How many human colonies do you think have a population that high or even half as a high? How many human colonies have a population of 1 million? How many human colonies do you think there are?Noveria: 405 thousand.Feros: 300 (and I think in ME1 it is like 1500 before the geth attack)Trident: 6.8 millionProteus: 12 thousand or so
>>695183440Half the reason people remember Mass Effect fondly is Shepard's squad. If you don't have Shepard, you don't have his/her squad, and I do not trust BioWare to make new, cool, and compelling characters, not after their last three games.
>>695183587I'm not explaining not to be possible. I'm saying it's less retarded to believe than there only being 120 million five or take humans left.
I usually went with what seemed relevant to certain characters, but when in doubt >>695178396 Choose Dextro.
>>695183247>>695183247>I don't know about a billion, but in Mass Effect 2, the Illusive Man specifically said "dozens" of human colonies had already been hiNo he doesn't. He states that hundreds of thousands of colonists have vanished but he doesn't say anything about how many colonies have been hit. Here is the conversation: https://youtu.be/BkPHwZ-_lnkIt's possible dozens were hit, like I said, I think humanity might have less than 30 colonies or as many as 50 or more, but almost certainly less than 100. We are never told exactly. >>695183732You say that but you don't explain why you think so.
>>695183732I agree. Humanity certainly suffered heavy losses but we're not critically endangered like the batarians or elcor. Besides, we fuck like rabbits, and historically, we tend to fuck even harder after traumatic events. Humanity will be A-OK in, like, twenty years.
>>695183827It's almost criminal how much best girl Tali is.
>>695157128Seething humanoid white woman hands typed this post.
>>695183882>I agree. Humanity certainly suffered heavy losses but we're not critically endangered like the batarians or elcor.I never aid we were critically endangered. Tens or hundreds of millions of humans is more than enough to repopulate, but that takes time. Decades and centuries. The smaller population, resource scarcity, political instability... repopulation would take some time. >Humanity will be A-OK in, like, twenty years.You are an idiot and historically illiterate.
>>695183828>You say that but you don't explain why you think soI already did, retard. Because High EMS says heavy casualties it doesn't say the planet is wiped out or that humanity is on the verge of extinction. Just that it faces extinction unless we stop the fucking reapers. Stop trying to take an intellectual stance when you're the retard who made the completely baseless 90% of the population is wiped out assertion.
>>695180678Doing my part
>>695158581>wrex and garrus>garrus, grunt, sometimes tali >garrus, edi until tali is unlocked
>>695184090>I never aid we were critically endangered90% of your population being gone is critically endangered, retard
>>695184090You've already been proven wrong at every turn in this thread. Why make it worse for yourself?
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>>695184170It's way easier to shit up a thread than admit to being wrong.
>>695184213I can't unsee it now, fuck.
>>695178448I thought it was okay, but pales in nearly every area when directly compared to the originals. Jumping around with the jetpack during combat could be fun. I liked the two pilots on the new ship. Turian lady and the Old Krogan were alright. I even liked the new Angaran teammate and how his arc ties into some of the revelations about the main villains.A lot of the runtime is still busy work though, and most side-quests with actually interesting premises end before really following up on their potential.
>>695184095>I already did, retard. Because High EMS says heavy casualties it doesn't say the planet is wiped out or that humanityTalking to you is like talking to a brick wall.>>695184158No it isn't. It depends on what the #'s are at the end of the day. 10% of 100 billion is still 10 billion. That's not remotely endangered. Something like 500 million is a great reduction in population but it isn't endangered. That 500 million can turn into a few billion a few generations. A century or two and you are back at half of what you had before the Reaper War, or even back to it or surpassing it. It is clear why you two are so obstinate: this subject is just too complicated for you. I mean, it's talking about averages of populations of various colonies, the logistics and collateral damage of war, politics, economics, ect. Stick to comic books and "visual novels".
>>695174264How do you think that planefucker anon react to this image? Would he do anything to try to get permission to give maintenance to that aircraft?
Is this the kind of person we want protecting the galaxy?
>>695184317I liked Vetra. I wouldn't mind her finding her way into a main series game. The female turian from Omega was cool too.
>>695184331Going from 11 billion to 110 million overnight as a lot different than that anon. Which is what you are asserting. And you're also completely wrong because you have yet to provide a single fucking source for your data other than suppositions.This isn't "big brain" thinking. We're just confused as to how we're supposed to understand when we're talking about the game as it is written and you're talking about your headcanon.
>>695148616>Liara is the canon and best romance of the trilogyfacts
>>695184562That's the only kind of person who can protect the galaxy
>>695183694yeah but they're absolutely not making a good game these days regardless of who the characters are. i have no hope for me4 aside from hoping they don't shit all over shepard and his crew.
>>695184597Okay it's been over ten years. Can we please get past this undeserved Kaidan slander already?
>>695184595>Going from 11 billion to 110 million overnight as a lot different than that anon.Well it is open to discussion how many humans you think survived the events of ME3. I would put 50 to 100 million at the lowest reasonable estimate, but that's probably too harsh. I think 300 to 500 million is reasonable, but I could go as high as 2.5 billion. It all comes down to two things: how many humans lived off Earth prior to ME3 and how many humans survived on Earth during in the immediate aftermath of the war. It depends on how badly damaged Earth was in the war (EMS is irrelevant, let's assume good EMS, that still could mean billions dead). How much of Earth's population was wiped out?Highest estimate would be something like 90% so say 10 to 11 billion. It could be less, like say only half or three quarters or as low as 1 quarter. If some 8 billion humans survived the war then I think humanity would retain a dominant position in galactic politics, but I think that many humans surviving is unlikely (but not impossible).For a species to be endangered it needs its population to be low enough that reproduction is difficult due to being spread out and/or a lack of genetic diversity. It also needs or may have lost most of its natural habitat or habitat it can survive in. I don't think humanity is at risk of this even in the worst case scenario. If there there are only 50 million humans or less than that, let's say there were only 18 million humans (like the quarians), I would say humanity still way better off than the quarians. Humanity is more adaptable even in that case. >And you're also completely wrong because you have yet to provide a single fucking source for your data other than suppositions.I linked you to Eingana and gave you the population numbers for several human colonies. You are lying outright here. Eingana presents exactly the scenario I am talking about here. I am also of-course extrapolating from reality and history.
>>695184937>I linked you to Eingana and gave you the population numbers for several human coloniesTell me where it says 90% of earth was wiped out.
>>695184595>We're just confusedYou are confused because you are low IQ and have no understanding of history, logistics, warfare, or politics, and probably never paid much attention to the lore or facts given in the game. That's why this is all hard for you to grasp. You never noticed or thought about any of it. I doubt you are aware how most soldiers die in war, or how most civilians die in war for that matter. I doubt you considered the case of Eingana and how it could be applied to Earth. I doubt you ever considered the population sizes of human colonies we are shown in the games vs the population of Earth. >>695185010>Tell me where it says 90% of earth was wiped out.I never said it was. I am speculating about how much of Earth was wiped out. 90% or more is the highest estimate. It's not clear what the answer is, but we can probably both agree that the Earth was not untouched.If you want to assume that Earth only lost 5 to 10% of its population then you are free to do so. I'm curious to know how you would arrive at such a conclusion, but at this point I an confident you don't really have any reasoning and so you can't share what you do not possess. I don't know how much of Earth's population was wiped out. I think 90% is the upper limit of what is reasonable, but might be quite a bit less than that. I don't KNOW, but it's POSSIBLE.The reason question should be, "what would make for the most interesting setup for a new game?" ...but I doubt you've considered that angle of it.
>>695184696made for nukes
>>695185273Kaidan is a more useful squad member in both 1 and 3 than Ashley by orders of magnitude. The only reason you would conceivably save Ashley is because she gives your soldier Marksmanship in 3.
>>695185178>I never said it was>>695181203>90% or more reduction in the human population
>>695185339>>90% or more reduction in the human populationI said there: "a realistic consequence of ME3 is a 90% reduction in the human population"I said that was realistic. I didn't say it happened. I said it was realistic, which suggests I don't think it is definitive but is POSSIBLE and could be DEBATED or DISCUSSED or molded to fit whatever kind of story one wants to tell with ME4 or a new trilogy. We were discussing the political situation in a new game taking place after ME3. 90% is realistic. So is 70% or just 50%. It's less realistic depending on how far you go to either end. I know you can't read but do you understand statistics or math in general? You don't understand anything else so probably not.
>>695185318>ever using ashley or not ashleyi take ashley because im not fucking liara and chakwas is not on the table and also so i can shoot her in 3
>>695185496I understand that "realistically 90% or more" means you're using 90% as a basic minimum you fucking retard.
>>695185508letting ashley die and fucking liara is the chad move
>>695185508>ChakwasA man of taste, I see. The only ME chick more desirable is that hot French doctor in 1.
>>695185496Why don't you just admit that you're feeding this through gpt to shit post. It would be less embarrassing than not knowing what words mean.
>>695185583Well you aren't acting like you understand that you, you fucking dipshit. So why are you arguing with me if you understood that? You are full of shit. You would come out of hits a lot better, in theory, if you could explain why you think the Space/Colonial population is "x" or why you think this many or that many people died on Earth. Why you think that damage was minimal from the Reapers and from the final battle. You could do that, in theory. I don't think you will, I don't think you actually clan, but it is theoretically possible.>>695185664Your attempt to save face is weak. You have been BTFO by the lore I have linked you two and by basic logic. You have been BTFO by your own lack of reading comprehension and dishonesty. You have yet to make a fucking a argument or describe your reasoning. I don't think you are capable of reasoning.
>>695185628>>695185508DR CHOCOLATES
>>695185786Dr. Sophie Michel. I looked it up. Maybe the least doctor-y name ever.
>>695185735The only person who's full of shit is you faggot. You didn't say "upwards of 90%" you flat out said "realistically 90% or more" which fucking means at least 90% to anybody who speaks fucking English.Since you're apparently math Jesus. Give me the exact number of living humans at the end of Mass Effect 3 in a Max EMS Destroy ending. Now.
>>695185868>"realistically 90% or more" which fucking means at least 90% to anybody who speaks fucking English.Unlike you English is my primary language. What you said is not true and is not a reasonable interpretation of what I said. My statement was an open one. I presented the most dramatic possibility but I did not say anything was definitive. I should not need to break down my statement word for word for you to understand. If you are this bad at English I wish you'd crawl back to whatever shit hole you crawled out of. For my statement to be definitive I'd have had to say, "Realistically, 90% of the human population was wiped out". That's not what I said though and the verbiage matters. It was an open statement because we are dealing with lore for a hypothetical game that does not exist. Hence, it's an open discussion as to what the ultimate consequences of facts of ME3's events and ending would be in a new game. I have said REPEATEDLY that the actual numbers are open to debate. I have presented what I think are probable means, maximums, and minimums, and have I have presented lore to back up my reasoning and theorizing. I have never said any of these numbers are definitive or final. You know that though.
>>695186126>a realistic consequence of the events of Mass Effect 3 is a 90% or more reduction in the human populationIs literally what you fucking said. That means at least 90 percent of the human population is wiped out.
>>695186126>It was an open statement because we are dealing with lore for a hypothetical game that does not exist. Hence, it's an open discussion as to what the ultimate consequences of facts of ME3's events and ending would be in a new game.Literally a chatgpt post
>>695186215ESL's do not belong here. I said 90% is realistic. I didn't say it was definitive. I have given several ranges for how many humans might have died or survived.>>695186267Call it a reddit post next.
>>695186391Jesus Christ I thought we were done with you summerfags. Seriously, go back to plebbit you absolute child, you.
>>695186215>>695186267>>695186391Anyway, the fact that you have now pivoted to accusing me of saying something I didn't rather than even attempting to debate the actual issue being discussed or present your own counter argument/reasoning makes it evident you have given up. You have taken enough of my time. It's been less than a pleasure, have a shitty day.
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>>695186391Then give me the definitive numbers. If you can't then you don't actually have an argument.
>>695186465>accusing me of saying something I didn'tYou literally did.
Jesus Christ you people are insufferable. Who gives a fuck about your nonsense headcanon? Talk about cute 5'3" FemShep and how all asari want her fiery red Irish bush.
>>695186465>>695186391>>695186126>Local retard embarrasses himself and pretends everyone else is wrong: The threadFucking Batarian ass post. No accountability whatsoever.
>>695186686Where did this 5'3 shit come from? In game she's as tall as Garrus.
>>695151328Remember, she took 13 prisoners and guards in the prison showers weeks before you arrived to pick her up
>>695148616I dislike the asari and strongly feel they are one of the weakest links in the entire setting, and how them and their knock on effects weaken the central pillar of the whole series, element zero and the mass effect itselfI know what they're supposed to be, but I feel that it strongly clashes with the rest of the world building in a bad way
>>695187870They're hot alien babes, just like salarians are greys. They are staples of classic sci-fi.
>>695163898yes you sperg, im a zoomer and its a perfectly good game.
is there a point playing as femshep for something different? i get that the voice actress is better, but male sheps voice is just very iconic to me. i've already done 2 playthroughs of the entire trilogy, i dunno. i've just never done femshep. also i haven't actually romanced liara before, and you can do it as a lesbo, right?
>>695189142I think FemShep looks better with caster classes, i.e. adept and engineer.
Does anyone have the posts written by Zaeed?
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>>695148616why
>>695184213Even to this day, the actress they based her on (now 42 years old) still mogs Miranda. It's baffling.
>>695191173Damn when did get those fat tits
>>695191393She had three sons, in 2018, 2021, and 2023 respectively.
>>695148616reminder that these fuckers enslaved Thanes species lmao imagine getting fucked over by literal jellyfish
>>695191502I feel so betrayed that they're not mine
>>695191695Life is cruel, indeed.
>>695152935Ashley always
>>695151328She's actually really hot and cute which is kind of hard to notice in 2 since she has no hair and is covered in tats Ironically when she starts wearing clothes in 3 she becomes a lot cuter
>>695158581It's story/situation related in 2 and 3 (in 1 you always NEED a tech for slicing if you aren't one yourself) and at all other times it's the classic Tali + Garrus combo
The new council should be formed by Humans, Turians, Krogans and Quarians/GethsFuck Asaris and Salarians
>>695183324>He was the Bob Oppenheirmer of that teamSure, what's wrong with having a person like that on the galaxy-saving team? Would be wrong to NOT have him on it.>Garrus was just a space cop in 1He was a Spectre candidate, pretty different from just a "space cop".>because their personalities suckWhat sucks about them? Kaiden was one of the most fleshed out characters in ME1. Don't kid yourself, most of the times Kaiden is ignored because he's the token regular human despite being the most interesting and level headed person on the team. Same with Vega too to some degree. They're all bland training wheels token human characters you replace with cool unique aliens the moment you get them on the team.>pretty big diofferenceYou have the first human Spectre and the hero of the battle of the Citadel leading the team, it's appropriate. Nobody cares what regular humans have to say or do.
>>695174205it's a TPSME1 is kind of janky but unique and has a lot of options as far as power use and shit goes, but its not as intuitive as later entriesME2 is a shitty gears clone, abusing powers can be fun though ME3 is just a smoother ME2, with much better gunplay imo
kai leng is teh coolest duded in mass effect
With the changes to gunplay in the Legendary edition, I'm assuming sentinel is now the arguably superior class to adept in ME1.
>>695180678only one?
>>695194448It doesn't matter because Legendary edition is censored dogshit that fucks up the lighting and animations so you shouldn't be playing it regardless
>>695189142you get a few different voicelines, worth doing at least once. also yes, blue space lesbianism is on the table.
>>695194448nah adept is still busted af.>>695194628mods are necessary yes
>>695193806>Fuck AsarisGladlyWhere is my Council-mandated Asari wife?
>>695151328I'd like her if she wasn't bald and didn't have tattoos
>>695191173Can I just say how happy I am to have this woman as part of our franchise? We're so much lesser without her.
>>695196602I like her exactly because she's bald and tattooed.
>>695152935>Ashley better written in 1>One of the strongest teammates in 1>But declines sharply in 3 >Loses all identity and turns into bimbo and is a less useful Vega with 2 bugged abilities>Letting her die to 'redeem' shanxi is fucked>Kaiden boring as fuck in 1 >Becomes actual person in 3>Is actually one of the best squaddies for combat because he's the only sentinel on a ship of Soldiers>much better writing and Citadel scenes
Insatiable need to breed Ashley. More games need girl jarheads or whatever the term for them is
For me, it's Ashley or Miranda.Both get shafted in ME3, but thank fuck for mods.
>>695197019do mods fix the character assassination of ashley though, or just her fucked up looks in 3?
>>695151328because she's emotionally a child and pedos love that
>>695148616Shepard, can I shoot it?
I have never played Mass Effect.
>>695180742>retarded ESL doesn't understand words
Do we have a canon source on krogan cock size or are humans still the kings of the universe?
>>695179360But unlike real life, women in vidya CAN be fixed
>>695156440>what is ReaveKaidan's great in 3 and fits missions like the Ardat-Yakshi monastery
>>695157129>last good game came out 12 years ago>still popular and gets near daily threads with people talking about anything from waifufagging to lore and gameplay and character building >meanwhile Dragon Age is utterly forgotten even though it got a new game a month ago
>>695158156>>695158842Plus the assassins don't show up depending on the order you do things. If you talk with Varla Von first and follow that path of the quest first they'll never spawn
>>695162791N7 Piranha for the win
>>695164057>ME2's story and character writing is notably a step down to the previous game*ftfy
>>695179997hehI get it anon
>>695162791VenomBasically more of a grenade launcher and better at it than the M79 Falcon, I think you can still hold the charged venom shots while you use your vanguard charge so you can precharge it, then vanguard charge and release a cluster grenade into their face to delete themcharge charge
I've never played Engineer but I've seen people spam 4 drones and now I want to. But I also want to not die immediately and it's a class with no health and no barrier
>>695169207>2 "lost a lot of charm"Is that how you word it when you want to make it seem like less of a big deal?
>>695175542>especially the remaster with its gameplay changes to 1Retard
>>695198509God I hope that ME series never comes out, I don't want mainstream attention.
>>695176138Too much effort. It's why there's literally no other franchise out there that attempted the import save function the way ME did. Not even DA, that one got away with it by setting every game with a new MC and setting decades later. Witcher 3 shat on the choices of the previous two games.
>>6951760841 > 3 > 2>>695177882>That's 3's approach. In 2 your contact with Genophage is a moral dilemma where no answer is the right onelmfao are you fucking kidding me? Have we played the same games? It is literally impossible to play a Shepard that understands the genophage was a horrible but necessary evil in ME2>dialogue wheel>find human corpse, choose "Using humans is wrong">Shepard says "YOU KNOW THIS MAKES CERBERUS SEEM LIKE A GOOD IDEA">choose "Mordin's pride in work">Shepard says "MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE SO CASUAL ABOUT DEVELOPING THIS PLAGUE YOU KNOW YOU FUCKING MONSTER">choose as innocent a question as "Effects on Tuchanka">Shepard says " HOW CAN YOU AGREE WITH THE GENOPHAGE, MORDIN? SEE HOW IT LEFT THIS PLACE AS A RESULT">Mordin opens up on how he searched for religion after the genophage deployment due to his crisis of faith after observing the results>choose "How do you deal with that">Shepard says "CAN YOU REALLY JUST RATIONALIZE IT ALL AWAY? HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY IT?">end of the mission, tell Mordin to keep the data and he wonders on the variables that'd produce>choose "Genophage was the right call", which is true and is a different option from the more direct "keep data/destroy data">Shepard says "GENOPHAGE WAS FUCKING GREAT, YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO THEN; DESTROY IT"2 is the game that turned Shepard into Space Jesus and squadmates into his 12 daddy issues Apostles, to pretend otherwise is disingenuous as fuck
>>695178742>You need some form of conflictSure>and that conflict has to be something that threatens the galactic order / civilizationYou're a colossal fucking retard
>>695179738>the entire galaxy would know the only reason the Reapers were defeated was thanks to the joined efforts of head honchos Shepard, Anderson and Hackett>"Humanity would lose a lot of power post Reaper War"Motherfuckers would be at their most popular. Now, the asari post-Thessia beacon reveal? That'd be an interesting one
>>695179908Hey remember when three dudes blow up a giant human baby robot Reaper that looks like a giant human baby robot for some reason Good times
>>695180961>I see no problem in letting people understand the setting betterThe issue is ME2 could've and should've done both, because the world is explored via its side content that could and should exist in the context of a main quest that actually fucking mattered and didn't derail the IP
>>695199425>Have we played the same games?No, thankfully we didn't. You played some schizo knock-off judging by your wrong quotes, I hope you get better soon.
>>695200002>derail the IPWhat was there to derail? The reaper plot was the shittiest part of the game and should've been abandoned completely in favor of more manageable threats. ME2's fault is that it didn't derail the IP enough so now all you have left is your shitty ancient evil awakens, here's your deus ex machina to deal with it plot.
>>695181425>>695181618ME4 should have a male batarian and female drell squadmates. FACT
>>695148616according to MBTI, miranda is best girl. Too bad she is a sterile slut
>>695200340Why would I want more Veilguard tier shit? Do I really need a retarded, quirky Drell bitch, or a trans batarian?
>>695182030>his people need to overcome the genohpage by changing their culture and outlook; not by curing itChanging their culture will not magically stop the stillbirths. Wrex understands krogan need to change, that's why he decides to lead them to begin with. Wrex was working to change the perception of the Krogan as a whole so that once cured they would understand that having so many children away from the hostile environment of Tuchanka isn't a wise decision. He wanted to teach them that working with the other species as a collective part of the galaxy and having a voice in galactic affairs was the future they needed and that would require personal responsibility.
>>695181034The Asari higher ups knew, it is stated as suchIt was le big seekrit that only the most uber important asari leaders knew about and kept the lie going
>>695182371>It should have been Garrus that Cerberus recruits to ge Shepard's body and after antagonizing the Shadow Broker he has to go into hiding and become Archangel.That's neat except you can play ME1 without recruiting Garrus to your party
>>695184696yeah I like him but I am still mad they made him gay
>>695180850Iirc their entire section of space was conquered not just a few planets
>>695189357I have my old pasta but no screenshot>ME1>Tyrone Shepard, Earthborn, Ruthless>The baddest, blackest Canadian in the Milky Way>Punch Al-Jilani>Kill Rachni Queen>Virmire Kaidan>Kill Council>Pick Udina for Council>ME2>Punch Al-Jilani>Shoot Conrad on foot, dies later>Kill Samara over Morinth>No ship upgrades>Crew gets kidnapped>Do a bunch of random assignments and take my sweet time>Go through the Omega 4 Relay>Jack eats a lazor, dies>Kasumi gets blasted, dies>Thane gets impaled, dies>Volunteer Jacob to vents, dies>Legion leads distraction team, dies>Garrus escorts Chakwas back, dies>Cocky Miranda holds biotic bubble, Tali gets seeker swarmed and dies>Kill babby Reaper, Mordin in squad dies>Miranda leading the ground team dies, Grunt too>Shepard makes it out alive>Keep the base>ME3>Punch Al-Jilani>Tell Allers to fuck off, later dies>Don't recuit Javik, dies>Sabotage Genophage cure, kill Padok Wiks>Female Krogan dies>Kill Wrex in confrontation>Kill Ashley during the coup>Kill Udina>Genocide Quarians over Geth>STEEEEVE dies>Kill banshee Morinth>Low EMS, Vega and Liara die on the beam run>Kill Illusive Man>Pick Destroy, wipe geth, EDI>Shepard dies>Only Zaeed made it out alive that day
>>695183035>Just like nobody liked the most regular guy in the team in ME1. Or rather nobody simply cared.Speak for yourselfhttps://youtu.be/dTPduX5lKi8
There is a mod that swaps Kai Leng for Jacob/Miranda. Not that sounds like fun.
>>695200497For me it's non-binary Geth
Isn't there a mod that completely revamps ME3's endgame
>>695182735You're a retard that needs Marvel explosions to be entertained. A low stakes story can work as long as the setting and characters are compelling. Regardless of whether you like them or not (most) Yakuza games are extremely well loved and none of them are about saving the world, they always revolve around yakuza feuds which are a big deal for the characters but as far as the setting of... well, Earth is concerned, it's low stakes crime drama.
>>695200895Yeah. It's a collection of mods actually. It's a bit jank, but it's better than the official thing. Mostly.
>>695183068>you can't convince Mordin that curing the genophage is a bad ideaBut you can
>>695200883And an agender asari
>>695183694Jesus fuck you retard always post the exact same thing in these threads, every goddamn time. Fuck off and stop wanting them to bring back Shepard and his people, his story is fucking done, the problem was never new characters it was always the writing behind them. Fuck off
>>695200895yes there is, not perfect but its an improvement
>>695186267kek
>>695178448It's very boring and safe. Everything in it is a diet coke version of an OT plot point. Ryder is only barely better than Rook in being able to be mad over other people's mistakes. The new lore is just dull, and the open world/MMO-tier sidequests just as much. People like to say the combat's great and it's flashy sure but honestly as far as well designed combat encounters, ME3 is still superior because its arenas are more linear.
>>695200803Kek, I appreciate it anon
>>695200820Seeing shit like Veilguard I genuinely miss characters like Kaidan and Carth.
>>695184125wrex and garrus were surprisingly chill, best bro trio
>>695184696>Reave is so fucking difficult to master that the fact a human knows how to pull it off surprises everyoneI've always said Kaidan's as much of a bro as Garrus and the only reason he seems otherwise is because normies dislike the human squadmates not for writing but for being human and not "le cool alien design", and also because ME2 shits on the Virmire Survivor because it'd require actual effort to not sideline 'emhttps://youtu.be/uqwzXg7PUnI?t=1377
>>695186686>every good art is futathe reapers were right
>>695198675playing as a soldier was a mistake
>>695185628>that hot French doctor in 1.Michel? Did you know she becomes the Normandy doctor in 3 if Chakwas dies in the Suicide Mission?>>695200672You can save him from being gay btw
>>695200820no one's ever liked kaidan, except fags i guess. ashley was at least '''errrmmm...le ''racist''!!!'''' until modern bioware took that away too.
>>695201898Oh yeah I romanced him and my other playthrough was this>>695200803
>>695201898I actually never knew that because she never died for me.
I'm thinking of getting everyone killed in the next playthrough so I can check out all the replacement characters but I don't think I can bring myself to kill Wrex. Can Ashley do it on her own?
>>695186686She'll be played by a black woman in the Amazon show
>>695202127I did that. Game doesn't bother replacing Garrus and plays exactly the same lmao. Not Legion is hilariousShorter playthroughs too. Do it renegade if you can.
>>695201729I always go for one extreme or the other: either Infiltrator or Vanguard. They're both extremely fun for completely different reasons
>>695202127I wanted to do that but then I thought that it's just less content and no real pay-off. I think the only impactful change is Wrex's death that can lead you to saving Mordin, but if you kill him too then there's no point.
>>695198952Engineer gets the only class-specific interrupt in the franchise
>>695200060>judging by your wrong quotesUsing humans is wrong: https://youtu.be/Kb665F5I90U?t=739Mordin's pride in work: https://youtu.be/aVjf2S0KoCI?t=597Effects on Tuchanka: https://youtu.be/aVjf2S0KoCI?t=710How do you deal with that: https://youtu.be/aVjf2S0KoCI?t=881Genophage was the right call: https://youtu.be/pW418MXg_oA?t=264Suck my nuts, you fucking retard
>695200206 (You)
>>695200497It's on you if the first thing that comes to mind when hearing the prospect of a new squadmate is tranny shit. Literally a you issue. Did you shit your pants when female turians where introduced in Omega? When Thane reflected a race that didn't exist in ME1?
>>695203014>I'm gonna bury my head int he sand, and pretend the last 10 years of Bioware just never happened la-la-la-la-la-la I can't hear you
>>695202102You gotta go out of your way to get her killed. IIRC if you do 1~3 missions after the crew is kidnapped everyone Ceberus (Kelly, the two engineers, all background redshirts) will die and Chakwas alone will survive. If you do more than 3 missions then even her will be liquified and in 3 instead of findig Chakwas and Michel talking with each other at Huerta you'll find Michel alone. Fun fact, this is also the only way to get closure on the Armistan Banes abandoned plot point from ME1
>>695202810>has the videos on hand>STILL quotes the game wrongAs I said you've played a different game from the rest of us so keep it to yourself buddy.
>>695200895PEOM and Take Earth Back, the former has finally been ported to LE after years and the latter will get a compatibility patch with the former so you can play with both at the same time
>>695202127It's worth one playthrough. Even when characters aren't replaced like >>695202213 says the choice is still felt by their absence
>>695176084the only correct take
>>695203165>has the videos on handI searched them on YT you idiot, you think that's a herculean task that takes hours? It's all from the same mission>STILL quotes the game wrongI'm not hearing an argument
>>695203094>inbred believes vidya discussion in a vidya board should be thought of and translate 1:1 into the reality of 2024 TrannyWare dev makingIs it a mutt thing to think like this?
>>695204154>Expect TrannyWare game>Expect not to get TrannyWare gameDelusional.Also, I'm not American. Which tells more about you than me.
>>695204501>Expect TrannyWare gameNobody ITT is doing this, ergo the "inbred believes vidya discussion in a vidya board should be thought of and translate 1:1 into the reality of 2024 TrannyWare dev making" bit. Keep up
>>695204603>Nobody ITT is doing thisHow can you not be doing this? It's like expecting a SBI game to be about white people doing well, and being genuinely moral and virtuous. It's not gonna happen.
>>695204761>How can you not be doing this?By not being an autist and getting that anons posting things in a thread doesn't magically mean they expect the real videogame to be like that. You believe anons talking about the next game needing to be lower stakes means they actually genuinely expect the new game to be a well written lower stakes plot and not just talking about things they would or would not like. It's ridiculous. It's taking shit at the facest of face values. Again, it's autistic.
>>695204101>you think that's a herculean task that takes hours?Considering you didn't even bother watching them I guess for you it is. Instead of making up fake quotes that have nothing to do with what's being discussed you could've spent time analyzing what is actually being said.>I'm not hearing an argumentNeither do I. We're not arguing, you're just dumping your butthurt here for some reason. You know you don't need to reply to me to argue with your own strawman, right?
>>695204919>By not being an autist>Get the same thing over the past 10 years>It's autistic to expect it againYou're a fucking retard
>>695204954>gets BTFO with timestamps, STILL can't argue how the written options hardly correspond with Shepard's accusatory line and tone of voiceConcession accepted
>>695205106You literally cannot read
All and all, a decade later, what do we think about him
>>695185786>>694987809
>>695205174>Reading what a retard says beyond the first five wordsNot worth the effort
>>695205263>admits itlmfao okay I guess, better for me
>>695205215>Self-referencing Bioware's story telling short comings, and reducing the setting to just being made by assholesSelf-sabotaging at best.
>>695185786I'm used to taking it from the back......A very....... respectable position
>>695205215Top 5 best squadmates in the trilogy, Renegade Shepard of his cycle. Absolute chad, Liara-fags in shambles
>>695204101I do agree that you basically have no choice to agree with Mordin and at best you accuse him of "soft genocide" but also I do find it interesting that it's basically the difference between going full Nuremberg on him vs. an incredibly spirited debate.Probably one of my favorite things about the games as a whole is I ended up being good friends with Mordin, even though our entire relationship was basically just one long standing argument until the very end.
>>695182030He throws a fit on Virmire and potentially gets gunned down by Ash because there is a cure to the genophage and he loses his cool. My read is that he became extremely cynical about krogan society when his first stint as clan leader ended up with his men dead and having to kill his own father. But that this cynicism is mostly a coping mechanism. He gets fairly emotional about the genophage itself when it's mentioned in 1 and while he postures that Krogans are a lost cause it's only in the context of the demographic and cultural decay they're experiencing because of the genophage. He pretends to be indifferent but only to get away from the fact that the krogans are doomed to be scattered nihilistic mercenaries because the genophage leaves them out of option. He looses it on Virmire because there is a cure, because Krogan society as he knows it is not an inevitability, if you convince him to accept the destruction of Saren's base and the cure within it he goes back to Tuchanka to try again to reform Krogan society but he admits his position is tenuous even as leader of Clan Urdnot: He's being opposed by a lot of clan leaders and even his own men (the scientist and mechanic specifically) kinda think he's mental when you talk to them. Him not helping Maelon could very well stem from the fact that Maelon's plans were 1. a longshot 2. involved some pretty nasty casualties on the test subjects 3. Would attract attention from Salarian intelligence and get him into troubles. I don't think it's outlandish to consider that if he had known there was a cure and could leverage the desperation of council races he would have grabbed the opportunity earlier. He's never opposed to a cure he's either hopeless about it or assessing his chances of getting it.
>>695205215Incredibly interesting. I enjoyed talking with him immensely. But also I hardly ever felt a real need to use him and in most places other squad mates simply felt more appropriate. I'm glad I brought him and Liara to Thessia
>>695181618Imagine licking a drill nipple mid-banging and you get high from it
>>695205624There's also the point in Mass Effect 1 where he believes that manufacturing Krogans in a lab is the "wrong" kind of cure. And he wants a better way forward for his people than being another science experiment. Because that's all they've ever been. Frankenstein's monster for the entire galaxy.
>>695205109We weren't arguing about lines and tone of voice. You quote me saying that your contact with Genophage in ME2 produces no right answer to it and go on tangent about Shepard's tone in Mordin's mission, which isn't even what I was talking about but you didn't bother reading my post. This is completely unrelated to what me and the other anon were talking about. If you want to actually argue, address the point directly: what is the objectively correct decision, destroy the data or keep it and why?
Ok, but seriously, Altered Assassin mod is legit cool. Because you don't know for sure who you'll get instead of Kai Leng.I romanced Miranda in ME2, but I didn't get enough loyalty points with her, so TIM mindfucked her in ME3 and I had to fight her instead of the Cereal Killer.This made me legitimately upset.
>>695205624>Him not helping Maelon could very well stem from the fact that Maelon's plans were 1. a longshot 2. involved some pretty nasty casualties on the test subjects 3. Would attract attention from Salarian intelligence and get him into troublesMaelon himself states it's because Wrex didn't like the torturous methods he put the females through
>>695199096Please elaborate
>>695205924Wrex is, in my opinion the best character in 1 and probably the one with the most interesting storyline across the trilogy. Starting as a doomer gun-for-hire who keeps this posture of indifference to his own people but when you scratch you can see the despair and anger he feels about the krogan's fate culminating in him dropping all pretense at apathy on Virmire enraged at the notion that even a friendly Shep immediately jumps on the "fuck the cure" bandwagon and that the whole galaxy only see his people as violent barbarians who need to be culled. the only character whose dialog of wikipedia entries actually tied to his personality and his connexion to the history of the setting. Him and Eve finally seeing a glimmer of hope for their race in 3 even though tenuous really bookend it well I feel. It's a shame that it's happening in the larger context of 3 and that they had to contrive the plot so that Mordin get's his redemption martyrdom but I'll take what I can out of that trashcan fire of a game. >>695206314Yeah I remembered that Maelon had a line about it I just extrapolated a bit.
>>695207082Mordin is probably my favorite crew member in the series overall. I think it's the most interesting thing in the world that he is such a logical person and spends the entire series basically in cope mode over his role over the Krogan's plight. It's a never ending debate and despite the mutual respect both he and Shepard displayed each other it's something they argue over constantly. And I think it's amazing and satisfying coming from choosing all the Paragon choices in the debate and seeing him go "I made a mistake!" In the end. Clearing his conscience was more important than anything else to him at that point. He didn't even care about the ethos of his project anymore. He wanted to make it right and stop what he started. It was incredibly satisfying to me.And it dovetails nicely into Wrex's character arc of being a Krogan reformist. There is a better way forward for their species. They just have to actually work for it even though they were literally coded for war by endless experimentation.Kinda stupid they try and slide in under the door that Tuchanka was a more cultural planet at one point, personally.
>>695208350>Kinda stupid they try and slide in under the door that Tuchanka was a more cultural planet at one pointYou mean pulling the "we wuz shamans and shiet" thing at the last moment? That felt like something directly out of Blizzard's book. I don't think it was really necessary, you already had all the compassion cards laid before you as is.
>>695208350>a more cultural planetAll they do is show what you had already been told in words: that Tuchanka used to not be a junkyard before the krogan nuked themselves like 'tards. All they do is show an example of krogan architecture because you hadn't seen any in either of the previous games, just rubble and prefabs
>>695148616Why do I hear the Brain's voice from Futurama when I read Hanar dialog?The Big Brain am winning again, I AM THE GREETEST! Now to leave Earth for no raisin!
>>695209723Sure but they kind of leaned way too in on the noble savages bullshit.
>>695194030>Sure, what's wrong with having a person like that on the galaxy-saving team?How many Oppenheimer's in a galactic scale do you meet through the game?>He was a Spectre candidateHe's a potential pick among thousands>What sucks about them? They're very boring>it's appropriateIt's not though, because you being exceptional doesn't mean the universe has to bend itself to give you the most exceptional people in it
>>695148890Tali is presented very strangely, the way they go about portraying her young naivety comes off more as legitimately poor mental development. So the romance option starts to feel more like grooming an autistic girl in hindsight.
>>695210604Bioware don't know how to write cute, and accidentally stumbled upon cute
>>695180678.
>>695210347>He's a potential pick among thousandsThousands itself is huge given the trillions there are to pick from across the galaxy
>>695205215I never got the dlcI feel nothing
>>695210604That's kinda how they write naive and idealisticMerill in DA2 is the same
>>695211196Sure, but it's a pretty big difference to be among such potential thousands and be the pick
>>695211428loser
>>695213168I assume if he was good he'd be in the game
>>695210347>How many Oppenheimer's in a galactic scale do you meet through the game?Don't dodge the question. What's wrong with having him on your team?>He's a potential pick among thousandsSo he's not just a "space cop", thanks for agreeing.>They're very boringAre they though? Characters like Mordin are often considered to be among the more interesting ones. The boring characters are usually the common soldiers like Kaidan, Jacob or Vega. Or are you going to imply that Garus' appeal is that he's a "space cop" and literally any other space cop with a different personal story and relations with Shepard could've been in his position and be just as beloved by people? Seriously?>you being exceptional doesn't mean the universe has to bend itself to give you the most exceptional people in itBut it doesn't. You undergo missions looking for them, asking them to join and then doing favors for them in order for them to perform well. Or are you saying that you shouldn't be interacting with such people at all? Why?
>>695214217>Don't dodge the questionI'm not.>What's wrong with having him on your team?You have been having this discussion for 12 replies now and still doesn't understand it? What are the chances of having one the leading scientists in the galaxy, and the leader of the galaxy's most powerful NGO as your subordinates at the same time?>So he's not just a "space cop",He literally is, though. A cop that could've potentially been a marine is still just a cop, not a marine >Are they though?Yes. Jacob is extraordinarily boringKaiden is much better but the others are more interesting>But it doesn'tExcept that it does>You undergo missions looking for them,You meet Tali on a coincidence. Garrus too, sorta
>>695214217>So he's not just a "space cop", thanks for agreeing.A cop that's been earmarked for promotion being chosen for a difficult mission isn't strange at all.
>>695214962>What are the chancesWhat are you talking about? There was no chance. They were hand-picked to be on your team. Their location is known, even Mordin's who was in a sort of self-imposed exile.>He literally is, thoughSo you'd be fine if any other Citadel security officer was on your team and you think they'd be just as interesting regardless of their story and relations with Shepard?>Jacob is extraordinarily boring>Kaiden is much better but the others are more interestingWell at least we agree here. The regular guys aren't as interesting, it's the "default companion" syndrome.>You meet Tali on a coincidence. Garrus too, sortaYou being forwarded Tali's file didn't really depend on you meeting her by chance. Shepard wanting to work with his old companions was a given thing.
>There are people ITT right now who think ME5 isn't gonna totally suck balls
>>695217253>were hand-picked to be on your team>Shadowbroker was handpicked to be on your teamOkay then guy>Well at least we agree hereWe don't though. You claim Jacob and Kaiden are interesting and people Sony like them because they're human. I disagree, people don't like them because they're respectively boring and less interesting>So you'd be fineHow's that relevant to the fact that he literally is a space cop?>You being forwarded Tali's file didn't really depend on you meeting her by chanceYou still them as a coincidence though
>>695148616tali is the best romance it's not even close brah
>>695217680>You claim Jacob and Kaiden are interestingWhere? See >>695214217>The boring characters are usually the common soldiers like Kaidan, Jacob or VegaIt's not because they're human, it's because they're just regular people. But if you imply that characters being interesting or boring doesn't correlate with whether or not they are special snowflakes then you're undermining your own point. A character can be good or bad regardless of how special that person is. Case closed.>How's that relevant to the fact that he literally is a space cop?Because you're pretending that him being a space cop is his defining feature. You're downplaying the fact that him NOT being a regular space cop and going against protocol is what gets him on board. He's a rebel trying to find justice outside of red tape and Shepard shapes his attitude along the way. Why dismiss this crucial part of his characterization? It's one of the reasons he's so beloved by many. Not because he's a space cop guy, quite the opposite, he's what space cops are supposed to be but never are, mimicing modern law enforcement system.>You still them as a coincidence thoughYou don't recruit them on coincidence. Tali even outright refuses your invitation the first time you ask. But if you wanna go there, you do recruit her by coincidence in ME1.
>>695219179Was I the only one that was disappointed by her romance? It's great and then you're gonna fuck her, she takes off her mask and... nothing. You don't see her face. It's supposed to be an intimate moment, a revelation of emotional heights and I'm just frustrated that my character is seeing something I'm not
>>695219334>Where?>>695194030>Kaiden was one of the most fleshed out characters in ME1>most of the times Kaiden is ignored because he's the token regular human despite being the most interesting and level headed person on the team.>It's not because they're humanExcept that you literally claimed it was>>695194030>They're all bland training wheels token human characters you replace with cool unique aliens the moment you get them on the team.Come on now>>695219334>Because you're pretending that him being a space cop is his defining feature.When. Where did I say that? I said Garrus wasn't a super special awesome unique individual. He's just a space cop, what makes him unique is his charm and personality. You're contradicting yourself and making up things I've never said>You don't recruit them on coincidenceYou meet on coincidence though>you do recruit her by coincidence in ME1.How's it a coincidence when you don't know her?
>>695151328>I never ever understood the attraction to Jack.model looking faceteen body"I can fix her"
>>695152935Ashley for Marksman bonus power.
>>695162791piranha for fun shotgunning at close range, claymore for oneshots, venom - to trivilize the game (it's OP nade launcher). reegar with incendiary ammo aint bad either
>>695163031>think the slug shotgun has the single highest damage per single shotnah it's damage is actually rather small in single player (a bit less than all pellets from katana I).
>>695219762It's not because they're human, it's because they're token training wheels default crew members. Them being human is one of their features but not the defining one.>Where did I say that?In the next sentence>He's JUST a space cop, what makes him unique Which brings me back to the question you conveniently ignored: would you love literally any space cop guy just as much as Garrus?And Kaidan is just a brain camp kid, which makes him unique in his charm and personality. And Jacob is just a former Alliance soldier which makes him unique in his charm and personality. And Vega is just a N7 candidate which makes him unique in his charm and personality. Do you understand?>You meet on coincidence thoughThis has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You meeting any character is not a coincidence.>How's it a coincidence when you don't know her?And? You don't know Mordin and other characters introduced in ME2 either, how is meeting them "galaxy bending"?
>>695219843>"I can fix her"But I like her being evil.
>>695220642>It's not because they're human,You specifically pointed out they're human and contrasted with the others being aliens. it's very much because they're humanAnd I literally quoted you saying Kaiden is interesting, where's my quote saying all that Garrus defining feature is being a space cop?>Which brings me back to the question you conveniently ignoredBecause it's unrelated to what I said and only concerns your strawman. My point was that his position wasn't unique nor far fetched, unlike Liara or Mordin>which makes him unique in his charm and personality. "Which?">This has nothing to do with what we're talking aboutIt has everything to do with what we're talking about. Do you even know what we are talking about? I'm starting to doubt it>And? You don't know Mordin Did I claim Mordin was a coincidence?
>>695200895there is a mod that cuts the game at "best seats in the house" and launches destroy
>>695205215he is great.
>>695220837"i can fix her but i won't"
I just want to bang a female turian.Or hell at this point come here Garrus I know you've been asking for it
>>695221624Turians don't have tits
>>695221758>he can't appreciate a delicious rock cheststep up senpai
>>695221624Degenerate
ME4/5 never everBioware has been shitting itself
>>695221158>where's my quote saying all that Garrus defining feature is being a space cop?>He's just a space cop, what makes him unique is his charm and personalityThere you go.>his position wasn't unique nor far fetched, unlike Liara or MordinThis doesn't make him any more interesting then them.>Do you even know what we are talking about?We're talking about you failing to understand that character's initial standing has nothing to do with their characterization in the game's plot. What do you think we're talking about?>Did I claim Mordin was a coincidence?>What are the chances of having one the leading scientists in the galaxyThis is why my question is very relevant to the discussion. But you can't answer it.
>>695219378at least in the remaster you get a framed photo of her actual face
>>695152935Save Ash. Let Kaiden die like a baller, or else he turns into a whiny faggot
>>695222585yuck
>>695222336>There you go.Except that's not what it says, plus your claim precedes my post.>This doesn't make him any more interesting then them.And? Did I say it did?>We're talking about you failing to understand that character's initial standing has nothing to do with their characterization in the game's plot.No, we aren't. If we were you'd be doing a terrible job of it btw.We're talking about ME2 shifting ME from a details first scifi to a an epic action movie where drama comes first>What are the chances of having one the leading scientists in the galaxyAnd? Why did you cut the sentence in the middle?
ME LE worth pplalyign
>>695180678Based
>>695222730yes
>>695222631>We're talking about ME2 shifting ME from a details first scifi to a an epic action movie where drama comes firstThen you completely misunderstand what was being said. I apologize for not being more clear. Try reading what we were talking about again. Concerning this particular point, it is also completely wrong, ME is space fantasy, not hard scifi. As in ME1 is closer to Star Wars than og Star Trek. Drama comes first in all its entries just like in all Bioware games and that's its massive appeal point. ME2 is much more condenced and visually competent so of course it's better at being an action epic, but pretending that ME1 isn't a heroic adventure is just moronic.
I've just finished Andromeda, AMA
>>695224994How bad do you want to kill yourself after that?
>>695224463>Try reading what we were talking about again.If I ever get past the contradictions and strawmen, I'll try>ME is space fantasy, not hard scifiI specifically phrased as a details first scifi to indicate it's still pop scifi without a really hard science speculation. Harlan Ellison already made a point about the difference that the two terms entailMass Effect was never The Moon is Harsh Mistress But in ME1 we had a story built around the world, when 2 and specially 3 are happy to contradict world building or characters in order to have it's epic action story
>>695224994>70 hoursNot bad. How do you feel about being cucked out of a quarter of the game's content because they decided to cancel the DLC due to backlash?
>>695224994Did you jerk off to Cora's ass?Andromeda was bad but it had some great sex scenes
>>695199781>Motherfuckers would be at their most popular.That popularity won't matter without the economic and military might to back it up.
>>695225161My need to kill myself is only eclipsed by my need to kill those that worked on the game. It was pretty funny seeing the cliffhangers teasing a DLC and sequel that never came to be.>>695225470The quarian ark stuff is legit thrown at the player's face 10 seconds before the game ends, during the epilogue. A random side NPC comes to you and is like "oh btw I just found this warning message from the quarian ark, they're still out there! Anyway go and keep exploring". Zero subtlety, like they expected to get the DLC going no questions asked. If only they knew.>>695225519I flirted with every chick in the early game and fwb sexed Peebe, but ended up batting for female Garrus
>>695180295That's the neat part, krogans aren't a dying civilization at all.You realize how many krogans there are? Genophage actually made them reproduce very slowly, given how dangerous and long-lived they are.And yes, they are fucking relevant. Curing the genophage for krogans is a way to get more and more stupid tough troops for the war, but risking repeating the incident all over again.The turians need krogans because Reapers and their allies are simply OP, and strong, numerous troops that very nearly beat them could REALLY make a difference. Logistics aren't an issue with the essentially unified citadel space.
>>695200503>Changing their culture will not magically stop the stillbirths.Too bad. >>695200653>That's neat except you can play ME1 without recruiting Garrus to your partyIrrelevant. Either way he is disillusioned and leaves C-Sec so the context and his dialog in ME2 needs to only change a little bit.>>695200776We don't know what batarian space looks like. Their home system and several core colonies? Sure, but they have colonies spread out in the galaxy. We observe a couple of them in ME2.Anyway who knows? It would come down to what the writers want in the future.>>695205624A simple way to put it is that when an actual cure is dangled over Wrex's head he panics because he is deeply afraid of his people dying out. If he has to choose between extinction and another Krogan Rebellion he'll choose the latter even if that isn't what he really wants. However if you talk him down then he finds the motivation to continue on and save his people the hard way. >>695225914>That's the neat part, krogans aren't a dying civilization at all.>You realize how many krogans there are?The implications in ME1 are that they are dying out, very slowly. Though it might not really be true as Wrex states "They certainly aren't getting any stronger".>The turians need krogans because Reapers and their allies are simply OPSpare me your childs musing.
>>695226010>IrrelevantHow the fuck would it be irrelevant for Garrus to save Shepard's body if a non-recruited one would have zero fucking connection with the commander and their non-existen bond. This nigga sneaks in when the thread has 506 replies hoping to get away with it lol
>>695225442In ME1 we had a story built around chasing an evil guy. It was an epic action story, the only difference is Bioware didn't know how to make a good shooter yet or how to do cinematic camera (and still don't). The world was well crafted but completely unexplored beyond cool vistas, codex entries and side stories that usually lead nowhere. In its stead ME2 fleshed out that world and made it feel lived in, made you care about it. It might've contradicted some of ME1's stuff for gameplay reasons like thermal clips, but it was pretty consistent in following up what the first game has set up.
>>695226106>How the fuck would it be irrelevant for Garrus to save Shepard's bodyHe gets offered services and cash by Cerberus to save the body of a galactic hero. He also met Shepard regardless, remember?
>>695226127>In its stead ME2 fleshed out that world and made it feel lived in, made you care about itI care about it more in ME1 than ME2 because ME1 has better lore and story telling over all. The problem with ME2 is the cartoonish plot and lack of thought given to the narrative (outside of some loyalty missions) hurts immersion.
>>695226152>He gets offered services and cash by CerberusSounds convoluted for no reason other than forced connections with a pre-existing character>He also met Shepard regardlessYeah, a 10 second conversation. Might as well have it be Lorik Qui'in
>>695226335>Sounds convoluted for no reasonWell I don't think it's a great storyline in the first place but I'm assuming "minimal changes to ME2". Frankly, if you planned for Shepard to work with Cerberus in ME2 all along then you could have killed Shepard off at the end of ME1 when the debris hits the Citadel. Then Cerberus could get his body by default since they are so closely connected to the Alliance anyway. So the plot about having to steal his body from the Shadow Broker would just not exist.Anyway, I don't see how it is less convoluted or forced than Garrus leaving C-Sec regardless of what he learns in ME1 and then becomes super secret batman vilgante on Omega. At least my version presents are more compelling need for him to hide his identity and he's a more logical choice for Cerberus to pick than Liara.
>>695226514>I don't see how it is less convoluted or forced than Garrus leaving C-Sec regardless of what he learns in ME1That's the thing, that's shit too
>>695226010>The implications in ME1 are that they are dying out, very slowly. Though it might not really be true as Wrex states "They certainly aren't getting any stronger".They are, but not quite because of the genophage. Wrex explicitly explains that krogans are dying out because they're prideful, warlike, and now also nihilistic retards.Even the plummeted birthrates would have been acceptable if the krogans wouldn't be so suicidal in risk-taking.They're used to the mindset of being so numerous that meatwaves and war of attrition are their norm, but this is no longer sustainable.>Spare me your childs musing.That's not musing, that's how they're portrayed. It should come as a wake-up call that even turians, who're also militaristic and prideful to the core, now accept the need for reinforcements.And reaper logistics mean that whenever you lose a battle, your own troops come back as technozombies.
>>695226127>In ME1 we had a story built around chasing an evil guySarian is way more than just "an evil guy". Just the indoctrination and having the Sovereign twist puts him leagues above the Harbinger (a less effective sovereign) and the Illusive Man and his retarded organization. And we haven't even gone to 3 and Kai Leng>The world was well crafted but completely unexplored What? You explore the world like a person does. You visit communities, you meet people, it's all crafted well to make understand and care>ME2 fleshed out that worldME2 unraveled the world building to satisfy it's action storyThe colonists vs the Alliance conflict is never explained and it makes zero sense >colonists are getting abducted and the alliance doesn't care, but at the same colonists went away to get away from the Alliance and yet complain they don't care?>Cerberus was a human terrorist organization, which amounted to little more than pirates. Now they're an Uber powerful NGO with tons of research facilities that all ended up going rogue or failing horribly>you're also forced to work for them even though the game never gives you a proper reason to>bizarre things like Joker and Chawkas abandoning their life long careers in the military to go work for a clandestine organization that everyone hatesAnd more
>>695226574Agreed. I think Garrus should probably not have been a squadmate in ME2. Maybe a temp squadmate in a mission or two or in DLC or something. He should be either operating as a C-Sec agent on the Citadel (possibly replaces Bailey if you Paragoned him in ME1) or else he's a Spectre operating somewhere else (or just with a different context). He can join you in ME3.While I'm at it, Tali should probably not have been a squadmate in ME2 either. Thematically she doesn't fit and all it does is rob her of plot relevance in ME3 since she has to be optional in that game (why we recruit her so late). The quarian you recruit in ME2 should have been an exile to fit with the theme of the game. >>695226704>Wrex explicitly explains that krogans are dying out because they're prideful, warlike, and now also nihilistic retards.Agreed. >That's not musing, that's how they're portrayed.You have a child level understanding of war and logistics, which is very boring and harmful to a decent science fiction setting. The turians have a massive empire and the biggest military in the galaxy; they don't need krogan ground troops. It's a very forced plot line. The krogan were saviors and then a threat to the galaxy because of how tough they are but mainly because they were tough AND there were a LOT of them. They could breed incredibly fast to expand their numbers and replace their losses. They'd have had a massive economy and military, hence why it took centuries to defeat them and an alliance of several races. The krogan however don't have all this in ME3; they are tough but have nothing else.
>>695226875>>you're also forced to work for them even though the game never gives you a proper reason toWell without Cerberus you'd have no ship, no money, and no capacity to investigate the abductions. The Council and Alliance are not interested in doing anything about it. Dumb? Sure, but that's what the writers wrote.
>>695226237I don't think ME1 had better story telling. Whole areas of the game are lacking substance, for example Benezia's involvement, Saren being completely one-dimentional, everything concerning Reapers being really vague on purpose, resulting in lack of forward planning for the trilogy, companion quests mostly being underwhelming. I think what it does better than any game is everything besides the main plot. ME2's main plot was undercooked too and some of its beats were bad, namely the very beginning and the end, but the details in the world you're already familiar with made it immersive. It did the right thing with ditching an epic narrative for most of the game just like ME1.
>>695227087>I don't think ME1 had better story telling.I think you're wrong, though I might have been better served saying "world building", though they are one and same in Mass Effect. ME1 is just better thought out and consistent over all where as ME2 is great in places and terrible in others.
>>695227087>Saren being completely one-dimentionalSaren's the best damn villain in the trilogy
>>695227005>Dumb? Sure, but that's what the writers wrote.I mean, that's the entire issueThe whole of the Alliance and the Council having witnessed a gigantic machine god attacking their fleets, with almost incomprehensible technology and a clear tie with the Citadel, all decide to go>wah wah shepherd, fuck youIt's fucking insaneWhat about the retconned existence of the collectors? >Oh yeah mysterious race with records detailing they're ancient and have very advanced technology >who cares lol
>>695226875>Just the indoctrination and having the Sovereign twist puts him leagues above the HarbingerYes, Sovereign is a better character than Saren. Saren himself is a dumb puppet who makes no sense from the first time he opens his mouth.>You visit communities, you meet people, it's all crafted well to make understand and careExactly, that's why ME2 is that good.>it makes zero senseAll of the points you brought up make sense though. All it takes is playing the game to understand it.
>>695227186I can agree with that. ME1 is the most consistent and consistently good game out of them all, definitely. It has the benefit of being the first one and it's completely self-sufficient.
1 > 3 > 2 btw
>>6952276471 = 2 > liquid turian shit > 3
>>695227373Oh no disagreement there. I think a good comparison to show how badly ME2's core premise is would be to compare how ME1 presents galactic politics and uses that to frame and justify the plot. The regions humans have settled are unstable and that's why the Council wants humanity to settle them. They do this because humanity is strong enough, but the Council is self-serving. Humanity is not a member and so when humans get attacked by pirates or batarians the Council feels no obligation to intervene. They say they can't because next to this unstable region is the Terminus Systems and a Council fleet in the region could spark an interstellar war. So you see, their hands are tied. Then you have the nuance of Anderson pointing out that if humanity wants to advance in the galaxy it needs to be closer to the Council but at the same time humanity can't just do what the Council wants all the time and avoid rocking the boat or else they'll be under their heel for all time. Yet of-course humanity can't afford to become a rogue state and so a delicate balance must be struck.Now in ME2 we have hundreds of thousand of people vanishing without a trace. Entire colonies go dark in remote areas and nobody knows how or why or by whom. This is a clear military threat since the ability to abduct hundreds of thousands of people undetected is clearly indicating a sophisticated military capacity. So why doesn't the Council or Alliance care? They'd know it is not slavers since the victims never turn up in slaving markets. You'd think there would be panic in human space, especially given the events of ME1, that the Alliance can't defend its assets or people. So colonization would dry up which would threaten the economy and the Alliance's political influence in the galaxy. Then you have the Collectors... [cont]
>>695227746Wrong
>>695227513>Saren himself is a dumb puppet who makes no sense from the first time he opens his mouth.Him not making sense is a center point of his character. His brain is being messed on>Exactly, that's why ME2 is that good.Because it sacrifices that for action set pieces?>All of the points you brought up make sense thoughThey don't though. That's why you can't explain them and just have to say "no uh">All it takes is playing the game to understand itYes, playing the game makes one understand how much better written 1 was
>>695227771>>695227373[cont]In the tie-in novel to ME2, Ascension, the Collectors are established as a mysterious but known faction in the galaxy. Various governments and gangs and other factions all know about them. What the Collectors do is offer to trade valuable and advanced technology in return for odd organic specimens. Nobody knows why but their tech is always just a little bit above standard and so whomever gets access to it is able to tip the balance of power in their favor for a while.This obviously has huge strategic implications for any race or faction, so why wouldn't the Council be interested? It'd make sense if their Spectres regularly trade with the Collectors. It should also be noticed by the Council and other groups that the Collectors are coming and going through the Omega-IV relay more often than before and in greater #'s. So you see, ME2's main plot is dog shit.
>>695227643>It has the benefit of being the first one and it's completely self-sufficient.Just has better writers and attention. Fewer writers maybe or the better ones in charge? It's clear that Mac Walters can write interesting characters but he does not really have a mind for world building. He doesn't think about things in detail like here: >>695227771>>695227976He can't string the whole world together in his head. It is just a series of mostly isolated rooms.
Should I get legendary edition?
>>695228130It's more convenient but worse than the original releases. Get it only if you're interested in modded playthroughs as LE is the version modders work with unfortunately
>>695227771>>695227976Oh, and then you have non response to the events of ME1. The logical outcome of ME1's plot is a massive interstellar war in the galaxy between the Council and the geth. The geth launched a surprise attack right into the core of Council Space and nearly conquered the Citadel itself. The Council might have been actually killed in the attack. There would be massive implications for this. Council Space is not safe and the threat of the geth can no longer be ignored because they are clearly advancing beyond the Perseus Veil and doing so in a very hostile manner. The Council's agents would also examine Sovereign's wreckage closely and definitely know it is not a geth creation and is much older than the Protheans. They might keep this secret, but they'd be acting on it in some fashion. Now how does the Council conduct such a war? Hard to say. It comes down to where the writers decide the Perseus Veil is in relation to Council Space. How would the Terminus Systems react to the geth invasion? They might welcome the Council being knocked down a peg, but are the geth a threat to them too? Does the Council need to advance near or through Terminus Space to attack the geth?So you see, ME2's plot could have been very detailed and complicated.
>>695227976>>695227771The collectors, not following up in what's literally one of the relevant events in galactic history, President Bartlet's Schrodinger's organization that can be anything that the plot requires These are all huge holes in the careful world established by 1 and demonstrate why ME2 isn't as well writtenAnd like >>695228069 puts it, nobody really cared because the sleeker gameplay and bigger focus on companions meant that ME2 was better received The issue is that the problems that would crash ME3 were all started by 2's different approach to writing
>>695228130>>695228207Legendary Edition has fantastic mods that restore the original vision while bringing better gun play and restoring tons of content and add others. The Diversification Project for ME1 is amazing.
