>Have you considered your actions have...le consequences?Wow
>>695309390Well have you? You were thinking about that instead of just picking the blue option because it's blue right?
how is the french dub?
>FUCK YOU, EXILE.
>>695309390There should had been an option to join herHelp her to kill the force
whatever you do is... le bad
>>695309659Considering she was going to use your wound as the drain to flush the Force down oblivion, I doubt it would have been a happy ending for the Exile.
>>695309659>>695310306She didn't want to kill the Force. She wanted you to kill her.
>>695309390Have you considered that I'm not buying your fake "le think for yourself" bs, silly hag?
>>695309390As a traditional jedi, how do you even fight against someone using floating lightsabers? Do you just default to explosives at that point?
>>695309390>>695310181The Divide is basically Malachor V, and the Courier is given a part of the Exile's backstory out of nowhere. Hell, ED-E gets more personality and turns into discount T3 too.I think they were salty about not getting to finish Kotor 2 and dumped the rest of their ideas into a Fallout NV DLC.
>>695309390"Lol," said the Exile, "lmao."
>>695313680It was just Chris Avellone being a sperg. Ulysses was his big addition to vanilla NV and didn't make the cut because he wrote entirely too much dialogue for him. Couldn't be added to the game in time, so since he contributed comparitively little to the base game he sat around thinking of how to cram him into all three of the DLCs they let him produce. And of course he had to go too far with it, yet again.
We're gonna be having these same threads for decades to come aren't we? Kinda disheartening that the industry doesn't produce vidya that can generate virtually infinite discussion anymore. Is KOTOR 2 even that popular?
>>695313381>As a traditional jediIs this what you call a build that somehow isn't completely busted by endgame?
>>695314242>virtually infinite discussionIt's the same things being discussed over and over again. Very Campbellian.
>PLEASE FUCK ME, EXILE, PLEASE I AM DRIPPING FOR YOUbit strong but alright
>>695314242KOTOR 2 was the precursor to the woke cancer eating away at the industry today. It was one of the first "mainstream" games where the devs were objectively trying to mock the franchise and lecture the fans with the writer's personal politics.
>>695314693>lecture the fans with the writer's personal politicsIt's a subversion sure, but what do politics have to do with it?
>>695314693Everything you bitch about 2 doing was built on something 1 established first
>>695314242This board still has gamergate spergouts.
>>695315043>Everything is morally equal, even the space monks and the genocidal space schizos>Traditions are bad>Girlboss constantly complaining and lecturing you>There is no debate, only one objectively correct view, which is the writer's>The opposition position is a strawman deliberately badly made for the author to tear down
>>695309390>You take responsibilityThat is the #1 MOST HATED concept of humans throughout history.Most humans CANNOT do it and will WAIL if confronted with the idea.
>>695315689Damn, already making shit up for your first point.
>>695315849>Why did you give that beggar money? You are responsible for him getting mugged!>Why did you make stealing illegal? You are responsible for niggers getting imprisoned!Have you considered maybe the niggers shouldn't steal?
>>695314242I'm really glad that we keep beating this horse to death.
>>695309390>Wow this game is so deep!
>>695309390>The good thing about extremism is that is makes you FEEL GOOD!>Because... it grants you enemies.>Let me explain: the good thing about enemies is that "all the bad things in the world" are in your enemies, and "all the good things in the world" are in you! Attractive, isn't it?>Now, let's say you enjoy abusing other people or otherwise found performing naughty actions, you can blame it on your enemies because they're such very bad persons! And, if it wasn't for THEM, you'd be well-mannered, courteous and rational all the time.
>>695316447Narcissism in a nutshell.>if you misbehave it's your fault>if i misbehave it's your fault
Probing Question: You should totally fucking kill her, master, it would be funny. Please go and do that.
Kreia should have looked like this. Nobody likes old hags who judge you for abusing your force powers.
>>695317217we have brianna for that, anonsimply deflect your desire to subdue onto her, let the hag mumble to herself.
>>695309390Carrie Fisher as Kreia instead shitty goy trilogyThought?
>>695317390carrie fisher is dead though
>>695317451Exactly
>>695317451That didn't stop her in Rise of Skywalker
>>695309390It's actually impressive how many people are incapable of self-reflection
>>695317797I think Kreia is written as a dig at KOTOR 1’s morality system. Making it so you can only be either Jesus or a cartoon villain is retarded, which is why Kreia praises you for taking more nuanced approaches to situations beyond just “good choice or evil choice”.
>>695309390>I THINK THE JEDI ORDER SUCKS
>>695318384>I THINK THE SITHS SUCK AS WELL
>>695318384I mean, does the Jedi order not suck?Anakin turning to the Dark Side and the rise of the Empire was almost entirely their fault.
We have a neutral character that's neither sith or a jedi aligned, he's an assassin droid who believes in fun.
Mandalore and HK are the best companions in Kotor 2. Coincidentally they're Kotor 1 companions who are just having a good ol' time
>>695318570It was almost entirely his own fault.
>>695315689>Everything is morally equal, even the space monks and the genocidal space schizos>There is no debate, only one objectively correct view, which is the writer'sThese two are contradictions.
>>695318671HK is Sith/Dark side aligned. He was literally built by a Sith Lord to hunt and kill Jedi.I would be genuinely impressed if someone managed to make him Light Side aligned in KOTOR 2.
>>695319000>Leftism is fundamentally incoherentWow, really?
>>695318861>not Briannaoh come on
>>695318985>admitted much later than is normal but given no special help in getting over the attachment he's already got with his mother>but also told from the start he's super special, the chosen one, who has an absurd standard to live up to>this is somehow his fault
>>695318985>Took a kid away from his mother without any real emotional support or stability and also left her to die rather than letting Anakin free her>the no attachments BS was the direct cause of overcomplicating Anakin and Padme’s relationship>allowed a Sith to infiltrate the senate without them even realising it>got caught up in the politics of the senate and the Clone Wars instead of following the will of the Force like Qui Gon didAt least the Sith are honest about what they are.
>>695319543>>695320068>>695320142I need to empty my balls into a granny
Attention All Granny Fuckers: No one asked you to take this one for the team. You are not being magnanimous.
>>695320019>who has an absurd standard to live up toWas there any indication that Anakin was held to a higher standard than any other jedi? I vaguely remember Obi Wan being kind of a hardass in episode 2, but I'd bet a lot of the less experienced jedi were hardasses anyway.
>>695317217Shit taste
Man, I should replay KOTOR 2. The only problem I remember was that it has a very slow start.
>>695309390kotor 2 may be one of my biggest disappointments even though I really like a lot of what's in the game. they really needed to just sit down and get a complete, coherent story hammered out. as it is, the story has some really good pathos in a few places and neat ideas, but ultimately comes off as kind of a wank
>>695320068>>695320142>>695320235I’ve noticed alot more horniness towards Kreia in these threads over the past year or two. I wonder where it came from.>>695320406They were all keeping an eye on Anakin because he was naturally skilled. Which made him more capable than someone his age should have been. Part of his frustration in Attack of the Clones is that he’s arguably more skilled than Obi-Wan, but yet he’s still being put on a leash, which he ultimately ends up blaming for the death of his mother.
>>695320525The only bad part of the early game is the Telos surface. Peragus is unironically fine and Citadel Station has a bunch of roleplaying choices and optional quests.
>>695320978I have no idea why the Telos surface section even exists. It adds nothing to the game and is pure padding. Sure, you meet Bao-Dur there, but that could easily have been reworked into Citadel Station.They should have cut the surface section and just took you straight to Telos Academy.
>>695320978Eeeeh. Peragus is good, I'll give you that, but everything between that and talking shit to Atris is pretty mediocre, especially on repeat playthroughs.
To be fair before Kotor 2 the Star Wars franchise never had good writing or consequences for what the heroes did.
sex with echani
>>695321181I think Citadel Station is good. I especially like the Dark Side route where you run around doing jobs for Czerka.
>>695319439I can tell you that if someone made a young girl act like this in a vidya, anime, or comic, she will get simped to death and agree with her 100%. Also, her main combat gimmick in the entire series having three floating lightsaber?
>>695320740People have started to get good taste
>>695321308sex with miraluka
>>695321698no they'd be awkward and can mind read
>>695321220>To be fair before Kotor 2 the Star Wars franchise never had consequences for what the heroes didKotor is built off TotJ which had Ulic Quel-Droma fall to the Dark Side because he was an idiot and then was "redeemed" by having the Jedi permanently cut him off from the Force, something that cleared his head but left him feeling like shit until the day he died
>>695309390dont carewould
>>695318570no it wasnt, anakin was a retard and fell for sheevs cheap tricks
>>695321181>Peragus is goodNtaIt's not.
>>695318570I don't think you can hold prequel writing standard to anythingYeah, sure they were a bunch of incompetent retards, but so was the entire galaxy, bar Sheev Palpatine
>>695309390>character has flawed logic that the player is given the option to point out>/v/ screams for 20 years straight about all the characters not being perfect mary suesThis place is probably the least qualified place to give any critique on anything.
>>695322017>Anakin is very, VERY obviously in the middle of intense emotional turmoil>the Jedi just sort of wave it off>Anakin turns to the one person who offers him a solution other than "just your emotions off lmao"
>>695322272I mean, annoying things will be annoying even if they're well written
christ all mighty briannas tits are massive
>>695322409There was so many other ways to make that plot line work, instead it's just the Jedi going "bro just deal with it" and Palpatine offering the galaxy's most obvious bait
>>695317217>Nobody likes old hags>>695319543>>695320068>>695320142>>695320235>>695320676>>695320885
>>695322272To be fair, Avellone himself said the player should have been given at least one conversation where they could flat-out prove Kreia wrong on something.I still like her a lot tho
>>695322602Huge, near-human tatas
>>695322769>Avellone himself said the player should have been given at least one conversation where they could flat-out prove Kreia wrong on something.And then he made a much worse Kreia in Ulysses?
>>695322804why is she such a loyal slut to the exile? almost instantly?
>>695322716The Jedi were right in what they were saying. They just didn’t have a full grasp of the situation.I think if they knew that the thing Anakin was worrying about was his pregnant wife, then they’d probably take what he said more seriously.
>>695313381Cut her saber hilts with your saber?
>>695322904She's a spy for Atris initially so she wants to get into the Exile's good graces. It's only after you get a bunch of influence that she starts to genuinely admire the Exile.
>>695322904Given she was partially raided by Atris, it's very likely she has seen that slut jerk off the Exile's holopic more than once in her lifetime
>>695316090>>Why did you give that beggar money? You are responsible for him getting mugged!Can you even say "No, the muggers are responsible" or are you locked to choosing between "waow ur right" and "lmao fuk beggars"?
>>695309390Do your actions actually have consequences or is she just giving you shit because hurr durr muh principles?
>>695309390>I did it mom, I posted it again!
>>695323220>>695323263I also like how, once you are aware of Atris' secrets and her oath, Kreia is all like "ooooh you want to dominate her sexually and emotionally you naughty thing you" and lets you do it
>>695323143Pretty much. Kreia’s style is kind of dumb actually because it requires all your mental energy just to keep the sabers afloat. On that note, I always found it ironic that a character who hates the Force so much is a Consular class.
>>695323278The choices are>1. That is a lesson I will never learn, for I do not believe it.>2. I shall never stop trying to help others.>3. I... will consider what you have said. >4. There is wisdom in what you say. Perhaps I shall not be so quick to offer aid in the future. The top two make you lose influence with Kreia while the bottom two gain it. None of them affect your alignment.
>>695323125>The Jedi were right in what they were saying. They just didn’t have a full grasp of the situationThey just raised Anakin poorly and ObiWan was too busy fucking Ventress to know properly check on himAnakin spent more than ten years within the Order. The idea of patience, meditation, entropy and the inevitability of death should be well hammered into him at this point, but at 20 something he's still a teenagerSo we got a case of arrested development with a wife and child coming and no proper emotional fortitude to deal with a possible loss, all because nobody in the Jedi do their jobs
>>695313381You return to the tradition, not stopping at the repeatable and trainable diluted rituals that has survived the birth of the Republic. You already had this conversation with Kreia.>>695318570The beauty of KOTOR2 is that it correctly mirrors off a lot of the weaving core narrative in ROTS that only exist to be storyline stepping parts. As George would say "Its like poetry, it rhymes" In a lot of ways the point of KOTOR1(unintentionally) was that since tradition diluted the purpose and goal of the Jedi Order, it left itself wide open to falling apart to a larger war waged against its puppet.KOTOR2 partially explore how the rebuilding of the Jedi Order can happen. Its also why one of the things you deal with in each scenario is the dogmas of the Jedi Masters. Also Vrook was fucking wrong, but his intent was wrong, even if he would have let the raiders burn down the civilian settlements before actually doing anything.
>>695323371The big choices that matter the most are whether you choose to spare or kill the Jedi Council and also what factions you choose to side with. Apart from that, most choices affect nothing except dialogue. Influence with characters is similar, although Brianna has by far the biggest change, since romancing her completely changes the context of the Atris fight.
>>695323587Eh, not perfect but better than what I was expecting. Thanks for the copy paste.
it does feel good to make brianna your submissive
Is KOTOR still worth playing if I don't like Star Wars ?
>>695323404Kreia is horny as fuckYou barely met Visas and she's like>you can't breed with her. Her sexy and submissive slutty miraluka body would produce children with complications
>>695323813It's probably even better if you don't like it
HANDMAIDEN. TAKE YOUR CLOTHES OFF.
>>695323813Yeah. You don't need to like classic Star Wars. The game is set in "The Old Republic" era, nearly everything is different from the movies. You still need to like Sci-fi, space magic/wizards and light sabers.
>>695323945>>695323980Thanks. It's one of the classics I haven't played yet, I'll try it after finishing Divine Divinity.
>>695322901IIRC, with Ulysses you can repeatedly tell him that you've never even been to the Divide before and he's got the wrong courier. It eventually makes him go full schizo.
>>695323610I really think KOTOR2 was written with RoTS in mind, since the events of RoTS arguably prove Kreia right. Not to mention that the opera scene and most of Anakin’s conversations with Palpatine wouldn’t feel out of place in KOTOR 2.>>695323813If anything, It’ll make you appreciate the movies more, since it’s an interesting cross examination of the themes of the movies.
why does bao-dur talk like that
>>695322904Aura
>>695309390Revan would have backhanded this bitch, why did the exile just sit there and take all the holier than thou sermons about how retarded you are for the entire game?
>>695323125Everyone knew, it was a open secret, no one wanted to adress it
>>695323587Do you notice how none of these replies are the very blatantly logical counter to her argument? They are all emotional appeals to ignorance or concessions. This is a clear sign of a writer furiously masturbating as they tear down strawmen opposition
>>695323948Aight *strips*>Influence Gained: Handmaiden
>>695323948UNLIMITEDRESOURCES!
>>695309390>a character doesn't kiss my ass!?!?!?>but my metagame perfect good boy alignment points!I like Kriea because she's a bitch
>>695324248Gilf pussy got him acting unwise
I HAVE THE POWER TO STRIP THE ONES YOU LIKEYOU MUST CHOOSE
>>695323813Kotor 1 — no, but you might enjoy Kotor 2.
>>695324195Best take of it I've seen is that he's trying to force himself to be calm at all times and bury the anger and grief within himself
>>695324195This guy put me off a lot at the beginning of the game, but by the time I came around to liking him I had already soft locked myself out of gaining influence with him and never got anywhere. My mind was blown when I found out you can turn him into a jedi. I didn't get that option with any of the party members. I feel like I played KOTOR 2 incorrectly somehow, even though I just roleplayed what my character would do.
>>695324195PTSD and autism. I like to think he talked more loudly before Malachor.>>695324248Revan would have, and Kreia would have respected Revan for doing so. Literally 90% of Kreia’s dialogue is jerking off over Revan.
>>695324195'tism
>>695323587Top two that lose influence>Hurr durr Jedi code say you wrong durr hurr!!Bottom two that gain influence>Wow Kreia, you totally destroyed me with facts and logic and I finish I was as cool as you!
>>695324086>IIRC, with Ulysses you can repeatedly tell him that you've never even been to the Divide before and he's got the wrong courierYeah, but it's all weak because it comes off you being in denialYou can never give a straight incontrovertible answer like "yeah, that's not possible I wasn't even a courier at the time" it's just "I don't remember" "I couldn't have done this" "certainly, it wasn't me?"You also can't talk him down without admitting fault, so there's no emotionally satisfying conclusion where Ulysses admits he was just a schizo projecting his own antagonist that doesn't really exist into you
>>695324292I notice I don't care. It's one conversation in the whole game and the outcome is either free influence or free negative influence. It's never referenced again and really doesn't deserve to be as memed as it is.
>>695324436>Literally 90% of Kreia’s dialogue is jerking off over RevanIt's even funnier considering she has no clue why Revan did anything and just pretended she did to seem smart
>>695324195100% autism
>>695324501You should care, because its a very clear view into the core of how the writer approaches the story. There is objectively a correct answer they want you to pick, because they literally make you pick strawmen answers that just reinforce their own beliefs
>>695324342That's fine. In fact I agree that the characters who argue with (You) are usually the most entertaining ones.The problem with Kreia is that too many midwits take her hypocritical banter way too seriously.
>>695324248Probably and she would've enjoyed it immensely I have no doubt she and Revan cucked her husband during the war, it's why he challenged Revan to a duel instead of reporting him to Jedi Order or something
>Blasters and Pistols>no Jedi companions>No force powersYep, it's game time.
>>695324647But I don't. Seethe etc
>>695324712based and HK pilled
>>695324432I don’t think there is a “wrong way” to play KOTOR 2. For example, I like playing solo, so the only time I really get to interact with party members is on the Ebon Hawk or when I’m forced to.I do think it’s FAR easy to miss influence opportunities with characters though. There’s just too many party members and not enough content to evenly distribute between them.
Is the Kreia's idea that Force is some kind of mind-controlling brain-worm actually canon for two original trilogies? Or is it something specifically invented for Kotor 2?
>>695324654Revan practiced semen retention it's why he was like looking into the force itself
fuck meatbags
>>695324649I think she's a great flawed character, everything seems stupid when you gameify it and quickload the desired conversation
>>695324821star wars' legends is a gigantic rabbit hole you really don't want to try and understandthe best way to enjoy star wars? don't take it seriously and just like the cool elements and ignore the shit ones.
>>695324832>Revan practiced semen retentionHe put a bunch kids inside BastilaAnd possibly Mission
>>695314242>Kinda disheartening that the industry doesn't produce vidya that can generate virtually infinite discussion anymore.
>>695309390yeah whatever >plap plap plsp
>>695324821It’s there in the two trilogies, just not elaborated on as such. The Phantom Menace dives into it most deeply by establishing Midichlorians and the fact that the Force has a will and therefore a mind of its own.
>>695324821>mind-controlling brain-wormIt's not quite like that
>>695324821It all depends on a simple question: Do you consider the dark side of the force to be a natural part of it, or just the force in a corrupted state?If the former, then Kreia has some idealogical legs to stand onIf the latter, then Kreia is just a silly little doomer-turned-mass-shooter and aiming for the biggest high score ever
>>695324928>Only lost after fucking BastilaThere's a lesson to be learnt there
>anyone can be a jedi>but also not really its blood related>but also not really
>>695310306Its one of those kind of things that really outweigh one's lifeEven if not canon as an ending to actually agree to help her would change completely the SW galaxy>>695311140no?She has a dialogue that copes something like>I wanted to hear that from you (after you say that she doesn't have to die)She wants to use the final planet to make the wound in the force deeper, to actually kill the force and everyone free of its unconscious will
>>695319543>>695320068>>695320142>>695320235>>695320297ᴹᵃˡᵃᶜʰᵒʳ
>>695324996When will GILFs be mainstream enough we get to be freaky with an actual hag in games ?
>>695309390Obvious to us but most women live without knowing this or refusing to accept this
>>695325130
I would like a kotor esque game set in the clone wars or the empire era (but still non canon to the films and story expansive) but we all know there will never be another kotor
>>695320740>I’ve noticed alot more horniness towards Kreia in these threads over the past year or two. I wonder where it came from.I mean look at her
>>695313381>Cut the handle of the lightsabers making them useless>Use the force to push them back>Use the force to hit the one wielding the swordsAs a sith>Use your cool lighting to do a range attack while parrying the swords
>>695325129She admits she fantasised about having someone care enough to try and redeem her but is adamant you have to kill her on the spot. She wants to use the connection you have to her, and to Malachor, to free you of that connection so you can live your life without her.
>>695324925Based
>>695317451>>695317593So is all character from old republic era.
Kreia is what happens when a dumb writer thinks his freshman Intro to Philosophy 101-level takes are deep, tries to use his very shallow and incomplete analysis to critique a story, but discovers halfway through that he doesn't actually know what the fuck he's talking about, so he just makes it impossible for the players to ever challenge his mouthpiece in a meaningful way and if you try to critique him, he falls back on the disingenuous defense that the character is just crazy or he doesn't actually personally believe it, when it is blatantly clear to anyone with any honesty that he 100% believes what the character is saying.
>>695319543>>695320068>>695320235>>695320142>>695320676>>695320885Kys hags lover
>>695325094Never once was it ever stated that anyone can be a Jedi. All life is affected by the Force, but you need to be particularly sensitive to the Force to actually harness its power for yourself.
>>695325136>>695325283Is Lady Tano a AILF?
>>695324821It's canon from a certain point of view.
>>695318249The problem everyone has with her is that there are some choices that will never make her happyBut that is because the writing for our choices only go so farYou can never argue>I gave money to that beggar so he scrams, and maybe appear more friendly to the townsfolk so they don't try to kill me so quickly, maybe even get info without having to fight for itInstead of>I gave him money to help him!! *teary eyes*>I hit him because i like his suffering dur hur
I always found it fucking gay that stuff like love and family are frowned upon and a "path to the dark sude", serving the light side ain't fuckin worth it if you're forced to forsake even those things.
>>695324248Revan is Strong Aura Savior Conqueror Hero VillainExile is weak aura follower bitch boy
Cautionary: Master, be careful with GILFs. I have seen many lust driven meatbags go down that route only to never return.
>>695325283hags with fake tits are the best
>>695325094I think it's something that happened in the rewrites for the first star wars. Being a Jedi (Bendu) seemed like it was hereditary, since Deak Starkiller's kids all were. But with the changes it doesn't seem to be really the case and Luke was just an exceptionI think if you count all 6 films, the only ever shown or mentioned hereditary Force sensitivity is his
>>695324821One of the big things George did was Star Wars... was to take "fate" or "destiny" as some would call it... from ancient mythos and religion and folklore... And successfully transplant it into a new age sci fi setting, but without making it a very blatant new age thing. Star Wars survived, the memes about the new age spiritualism didn't. Prophecy in Star Wars isn't the usual "Hoisted by your own petard" type, its more of a lineup of inevitable events slowly colliding. Calling it a >"mind-controlling brain-worm"isn't that far off. The Force, is merely the Will of All Living Tings™. The will of all living things can be called for destiny. >>695325072Also this.But even if you consider the Light Side to be the balanced one, its still scales enforcing balance.
>>695325283She has to be hot, otherwise why would Sion rape her?
>>695325508You know what he means>the Force is in everyone but it picks and chooses who gets to really USE the Force in its weird mysterious unknowable way>also children of Force users are usually pretty strong in the Force themselves like it's passed down genetically>but it's not genetic that would mean you could circumvent the will of the Force in choosing its champions with genetic engineering or something>but you kind of can circumvent it anyway by having kids with another Force userAnd on and on it goes
>>695325072I do think a lot of people forget the fact that Kreia is a Sith, so wanting to uproot the galaxy and upset the natural balance of things is a very Sith thing to do. She also manipulates those around her in a Machiavellian way to do her bidding, which is Sith behaviour.The whole irony of her character is that in trying to break free from the Force’s will, she actually fulfills its will.
>>695311140She wanted neither death of the Force, nor her own. Essentially she wanted the Force to shut up.
>>695309390Cringe pseud nonsensical babble would never defeat based straight to the point undebatable logic
>>695325304The final choice is probably the weakest part of the whole game, despite the whole>The exile is not a sith nor a jedi knightWe're robbed of actually doing a neutral endingWe either save the galaxy and go to have adventuresorKill kreia for the lols and embrace evil
>>695325619It was something George bizarrely added in the PrequelsLuke is Anakin's son and nobody seemed bats an eye at that, there's no reprimand or commentary about itSince the Jedi were like Knight Samurai, there wasn't really an issueWhen George made them more monastic (though retardedly so) they stopped being able to have attachments
Hanharr>MiraIn everything that entails. Dark Jedi Mira is such a disappointment
Light Side paths are seemingly designed to be unfun. Why wouldn't I commit horrific immoral crimes for the Czerka Corporation? Have fun breathing acid nerd.
>>695325997One.
>>695326081That's what you get for metagaming cheater, Hanharr is for dark side
>>695325072>or just the force in a corrupted state?It's definitely that one>>695325753>The Force, is merely the Will of All Living Tings™. The will of all living things can be called for destiny.How much would the individual shape this Will?
>>695325753I’d hesitate to even classify Star Wars as “sci-fi” honestly. It’s more like a Jidaigeki in space that’s written in the style of a Greek epic while also having fairy tale qualities to appeal to children.
>>695326043I think inn all hindsight it made sense to have it fit in with Anakin's perceived betrayal as well as highlighting why the Jedi fell alongside the republic, the jedi were to detached to big picture to understand, they're meditating in Ivory towers talking about how Anakin just needs to tough it out knowing that his mom is gonna die, of course they couldn't stop palpy.
>>695326183The Light Side route gives off more pathos in certain conversations, but you’re right that the Dark Side route is more fun.
>>695326267By George's own admission Star Wars has always been a space fantasy opera.
ah the biweekly kotor thread
its.... kino.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__gLIyeQYDU
>>695324248Revan is everything Kreia wanted the Exile to be, ruthless, held to his convictions, used the conflicts around himself to uplift both himself and bis chosen companions. I've often wondered how different things would be if Revan hadn't been forced fk fuck off between KOTOR 1 and 2.
>>695326256>It's definitely that oneReally? But what is "corrupted state" and how does the Force become corrupted? If it gets corrupted naturally (like an illness), then it's no different from being a natural state of the Force. At least in a sense that it will exist for as long as the Force itself exists no matter what.And if the reasons for corruption are no natural, then what is it? Some extra-powerful entity corrupts the Force with malicious intent? That's sounds kinda ridiculous.
>>695326287>well as highlighting why the Jedi fell alongside the republic, the jedi were to detached to big picture to understand, they're meditating in Ivory towersYeah but that was just later writers post hoc justification of the prequel's bad writingGeorge built Star Wars to be manichean, Anakin's fall isn't supposed to be sympathetic
>>695325252kek
>>695326043Well it's even contradictory to ROTJ, because it's the familial bond between Anakin and Luke the ultimately redeems him and overcomes the Emperor. Lucas is a retard.
>>695326587RoTS is pretty high drama tragedy about it, so I think there is meant to be some amount of sympathy for Anakin's fall even just within the core movies, that's not to say the jedi are wholly responsible but they do bare part of the blame.
>>695326267>>695326398By the same token 時代劇 isn't feudal settings either.>>695326256>>695326520The question remains, as its philosophical in natureIs the Dark Side... Change/Upheaval? Like the Tarot card?Or is it Hoarding? Which in case its corruption.
echani butt sex
>>695326520Didn't they add some kind of Dark Side devil entity much later in EU shit?
>>695326587All of that is evident in the Prequels themselves though. Part of why people look back on them more fondly nowadays compared to when they first released is because there’s actually some deeper analysis, world building and theming to dig your teeth into.This is also probably why the Sequels probably won’t hold up— Since unlike the previous two trilogies, they weren’t written with cohesive theming in mind.
I've only ever played kotor 1, I've played it 2 or 3 times, once good once bad and once just doing what I want (my initial run)is there anything I need to do for kotor 2 for bug fixes or whatever else? I know there's a cut content restoration patch, should I install that? I don't wanna go too overboard with new shit and spoil the vanilla experience.Also, are there any good TCs for the original?I already know the story beats so don't worry about spoiling, that never really bothered me anyway.
>>695326453>you were deafened>at last you could hear>you were broken>at last you were whole>you were blinded>and at last... you sawBlew my mind when I was a wee little anon, still one of my favorite moments from any RPG
>>695324821kreia is a character that deconstructs and points the flaws in the force and Star Wars.its kinda of a self insert of chris avellone to point out the retard points of star wars like jedi always being the ones that bring "balance to the force" and saves the day while the sith being the opposite.its no wonder kreia hates the force, jedi and sith because if you truly analise star wars everything bad happens because its force related and then jedi try to solve things after everything is fucked.thats the gist of it really
>>695326713Isn't the no attachments rule more "don't commit yourself to someone lest they make you do evil shit to protect them" and not "no banging" like you could have a shag in every starport and still be Jedi Master without anyone batting an eye.
>>695326520>Really?Sorta, like I don't have the sources with me but George details it pretty well in one of them big expensive behind the scenes SW books, but the Dark Side itself isn't a corruption, because it's a natural part of life and an inevitability, so it's the natural negative emotions and actions that people would think and take through their lives, but it can't be tipped otherwise it becomes out of orderIf there's too much death, destruction, bad thoughts and such, there's a break from the natural order and the Force is out of BalanceThat's why the Sith are bad, not because the Dark Side is bad automatically, but because they give in to it, unbalancing the scales
>>695325753god i have to play jade empire sometime, its been in my backlog for years
>>695324649Yeah, too many people miss the point that she's an old hypocritical cunt. She raises good points, but she's also a colossal fuck up that got rejected by everyone and ends up essentially throwing a bitchfit to convince you to kill her.
>>695309390I wish we could get this bioware back
>>695327265Bioware didn't make KOTOR 2
>>695326713Yeah, it's dumb
>>695327260I often wonder how much of Kreia’s philosophy her feeling genuine concern for the state of the galaxy versus her just throwing a tantrum at being kicked out of both the big Force clubs.
>>695327260The Kedi kicked her out because they didn't want to deal with her asking difficult questions. If they'd just nutted up and addressed her points all of this shit could have been avoided.
>>695327436>how much of Kreia’s philosophy her feeling genuine concern for the state of the galaxyKilling Nihilus>just throwing a tantrum at being kicked out of both the big Force clubsKilling the Masters, Sion
>>695326828Well, it's like I said >>695327137It's a natural thing that can't be fedLike an appendix
>>695327248It's worth it.Give it a go, there are lots of bugfix mods for the PC version, and the xbox version is 100% playable via emulator (and arguably the best version due to the control fucking the PC port got)
>>695309390Kreya was the beginning of the end for Star Wars because all that boring philosophical shit got force fed into the universe for no reason. Grey Jedi my ass.
>all this kreia porn while there's the perfect DSL young version of kreia
>>695326415>head tail waifuWish Talon appears in sequel
>>695326987>content restoration patchAvoid this, is shit, is just a large battle spam with a murderous robot as the only character under your control, it adds nothing really to the story or how it developsI think there was a mod to have some light sabers early or something like that, you should get that, also as usual mods to make the game look better are always nice
>>695327708Visa is the doormat submissive goth girl who wants you to dominate her. Kreia is more like a strict mother who has some mommy appeal.
>>695327749>George says Jedi can't love but they can fuck>George lusts hard after Darth TalonI feel these things are connected
>>695327792Im pretty sure the content restoration patch has a branch specifically where you dont have to do that godawful droid planet
>>695326973>All of that is evident in the Prequels themselves though.I disagree. There's way to show the Jedi as aloof and out of touch and the movie did none of them. Their incompetence also doesn't really work as a flaw because literally everyone is incompetent and or retarded>Part of why people look back on them more fondly nowadays compared to when they first released is because there’s actually some deeper analysis, world building and theming to dig your teeth intoI think it's just nostalgia of people growing up>This is also probably why the Sequels probably won’t hold up— Since unlike the previous two trilogies, they weren’t written with cohesive theming in mindThe prequels are incompetently made but the came from a genuine artist with a real vision. They also had a ton of great tie in media for something like 20 decades. Just respective to Vidya, they have some of the most critically acclaimed games of all time The sequels have nothing. Two decent games with Kal Kestis, a couple of decent comics. Maybe one interesting book. All of the shows flopped, the movies flopped.
>>695327867>this could have been our sequel antagonistVgh if only...
>>695327708Best girlToo bad they went to make Star wars online instead of KOTOR 3
>>695327137Okay, that makes sense.Though is seem that in this view of the Force Kreia's hate for the Force's "will" is strictly harmful for the galaxy at large. Because I'm assuming the "will" tries to bring Force back into balanced state? And if it gets silences it will only propagate the dark side?
>>695327867>Jedi order dont want members to full in love>allow girls in their orderIt's let they are intentionally setting themselves up for failure
>>695326791I dunno, the tragedy is in that he's being tricked by Palpatine and giving in to his base desires ("seduced") as ObiWan says later on, not that the Jedi have caused him to do this
>>695328080Do you want jedi order to be even gayer than it already is?
>>695328174Not saying it would be a great thing buuuuut if it was just a big orgy, there wouldn't be any attachments forming
>>695328080Historically it's not the women who keep fucking up the galaxy by thinking with their genitals
>>695327867>>695328080George is known to be a massive coomer.He came up with “no panties in space” as actual lore, and put Carrie Fisher in sexually compromising positions (which she found quite amusing). He also basically told the Clone Wars staff to give Ashoka a short mini-skirt, and he cast his own daughter as a hot T’wilek in Attack of the Clones.
>>695328143I feel like scenes like him crying in contemplation of choosing whether to sacrifice his ideals or his wife is meant to evoke sympathy as Anakin himself is torn between what he should do, I mean even after disarming Windu he remarks on what's he actually done, but everything after he's gone full yellow eyed sith villain.
>>695328367Men are massive coomersIts just current year that likes to play puritanismMaybe one day we'll return to the 70s-80s freedom where no one gave a shit
>>695309659Killing the Force is morally correct considering the sheer devastation its will enables across the series, but it's one of those things no one will ever be allowed to do because it's the end of star wars forever if they did it.
>>695328060>Because I'm assuming the "will" tries to bring Force back into balanced state? And if it gets silences it will only propagate the dark side?There's multiple ways to interpret why does she hate the will of the Force so muchIt could be because she's a Sith and upsetting the natural order is what she does, because at face value, Balance is a good thing. The Galaxy is under relative peace, life flourishes, unbalance would mean constant conflict and death and destruction. If your philosophy says that those things are good or at least produce the best result than it maybe seem like unbalance is a good idea
>>695328482To be fair it's not out of the realm of possibility for a Dark Side ending, considering how those are non canon 99% of the time.
>>695328482Yeah its literally the end of the setting in a wayAs it would just be regular sci-fi from that point onwardBut as a non cannon ending, or maybe even to make a spin off game at any given point it would had been really cool to do
>>695328321Maybe they should have specifically trained squads of twilek sluts to service jedi knights and thus help them to avoid attachments.
>>695328482Isn't it implied that the "death" of the Force would echo out and kill a large portion of all sentient life as well?
>>695328446Of course Anakin is meant to be sympathetic. He’s not too dissimilar to Luke (even coming from the same planet). The only difference between him and Luke is that Luke had an actually decent upbringing and good guidance.RoTS condemns Anakin’s actions, but you’re meant to feel pity for him because you can understand WHY he did those horrible things.
Light side? Dark side?Just want to fuck my waifu Visas, for Force's sake!
>>695328695>give young men sexy pliable sluts devoted to them>expect them not to form attachmentsAnon pls
>>695328730I think is stated somewhereAll force sensitive beings would dieHuge price, but it also means no one in the galaxy would be at the whims of fate any longer
>>695328792Forming attachments to sex workers is not very common though.
>>695328446Sure, but that's what I mean by how it's tragic that this is happening to him and that he fails the moral test, not that it's the Jedi's fault that put him there
>>695328896Because it's transactional and looked down uponIf instead it's sex given freely and at a young age, attachments are bound to form
>>695328619In KOTOR 2’s case either the Light or Dark side endings could be canon. Since the endings implying the Exile either searching for Revan and helping to rebuild the Jedi, or staying on Malachor and becoming the new Dark Lord of the Sith and assuming command of all the Sith Assassins stationed there.
>>695326028The Exile is a Jedi as they should have been, like Luke's Jedi order in the future. Not bound by dogma, just a group of force sensitive people doing the right thing.
>>695328907It's the kind equally responsible tragedy like, Anakins is to blame for failing his teachings, the Jedi themselves are also at blame, Windu literally rushes head in after what Anakin tells him, which kind of runs counter to everything they've been teaching, how is that not an inherent failing.
>>695328885So what you're saying is that killing a small minority of "chosen" people would serve a greater good in the long run?
>>695309390>>Have you considered your actions have...le consequences?Every kotor 2 thread on \v\ proves people here didn't. Wow indeed.
>>695328461>Its just current yearAmericans have had this problem ever since the Puritans set foot on the continent
>>695329139Windu is a retard who should've never been allowed on the council himself with his sociopathic joy for combat and deliberate teasing with the dark side. Who the fuck is Windu to pass judgment on literally anybody? Especially someone like Anakin who saw his mother raped to death and was losing his wife? Windu's never lost fucking anybody. He's a murderous "monk" playing with evil for the sheer joy and power of it.
>>695329190>Every kotor 2 thread on \v\ proves people here didn'tNot all actions have consequencesFor example, Kreia is past childbearing age so creampies have no lasting effect besides her orgasming garder
>>695316090>You are responsible for him getting mugged!Nowhere in the game is that stated.Essentaily>>695329190
>>695328656People like the idea of being bound by fate and special super powers and always attribute a positive spin to the will of the Force. Even Yoda maintains a positive opinion of it after the entire order collapses as part of its "will". It's like God, if you knew definitively that God existed even if he made you really fucking mad you wouldn't kill him, you'd want him around.
>>695329102The only flaw in that logic is that the Exile can also choose to be a Sith, and Kreia’s philosophy works well there too.I think the Exile represents a sort of new era for both the Jedi and Sith, and a rejection of old traditions. Afterall, KOTOR 2 takes place before the rule of two and other important ideological concepts from the movies existed.
>>695328367Amy Allen is cute
>>695329139>Windu literally rushes head in after what Anakin tells him, which kind of runs counter to everything they've been teachingI mean he was right about Palpatine though, he wasn't weak and helpless he was just baiting
>>695327913He's talking about the HK factory, not the droid planet.>>695327792I pretty much agree regarding the restored content mod. It adds a lot of combat and a few lines here and there, but a lot of the things it "restores" were deliberately cut for pacing/continuity rather than the game being rushed. It's fun enough to use on a second or third playthrough but I wouldn't recommend it for a first run.
>>695329190Mary Jane smirk but crying wojak mask
>>695316765That's not a question.
>>695320342I am not taking it for the team. I'm taking it for myself.
>>695329490Which is perhaps why he should have waited until after they wrapped up the clone wars, why didn't he just wait for Yoda and Obi-Wan to come back, it's almost as if the patience the he always seemed to council to Anakin had broken and he failed the moral test as well.
>>695328174Having hot alien girls in a organization and preaching no relationships allowed is even gayer.Thank god EU Luke fixed that.Female Jedis arent exactly nunly in their character or dress code either. There no way they suppress their baby fever. It's not like the Jedi Order castrate their members
>>695329658Luke's nuJedi were too fucking cool for the shitshow the later EU became.
>>695329629It was a dumb decision in hindsight, but I feel like Windu felt the need to act decisively because having a Sith Lord in the highest seat of power in the Republic is no joke, and they were so close to winning the war since killing Grevious was really the only thing they had left to do.Plus, he brought a bunch of other Jedi masters with him.
>>695329863The screams of advertisers echo like Malachor V...
>>695329629>after they wrapped up the clone warsThe Clone Wars ended because Sideous had his new bitchboy killed the Seperatist leadership, it was a war that threatened to just keep going on for years longer
>>695329862The fights in ROTS are bullshit. Obi Wan had no business beating Grievous if he wasn't a retard, it doesn't matter how "skilled" you are if he would have just scissored in on him with all four sabers at once it would not be physically possible to block. Same with the Masters v Sheev, if they'd all just coordinated their attack Sheev would've been fucked.
>>695329149keklucky ones, since surely not all force sensitives would outright die
>>695329658>Female Jedis arent exactly nunly in their character or dress code either.What are you implying?
>>695330025Obi Wan won because of pure luck and quick thinking. Same as when he beat Maul. Also, Sheev opened the fight with Force Scream, which was a debuff. You could also argue that the will of the Force is literally plot armour.
>>695330025The choreography for them isn't the best I can agree, in Sheevs case it was partly because Ian wasn't actions based actor so it was likely difficult to really make the fight work, Grievous has always been a puff piece like the guy enjoys tormenting victims but he's always been shown having not enough skill to win against master Jedi.
>>695330295Personally, I don’t see why anyone has any right to complain about the Prequel duels when none are as bad as the duel from A New Hope. You can say it was technical limitations, but it pales in comparison to what both the other duels in the 6 episodes were.
>>695329386>if you knew definitively that God existed even if he made you really fucking mad you wouldn't kill him, you'd want him around.Well if i'm really fucking mad for a reason, then no i wouldn't want him aroundAfter all its whims are not for the benefit of the living, but to please itself, like the force balancing itself for its inner workings
>>695330254>Also, Sheev opened the fight with Force Scream, which was a debuff.I'm now subscribing to this canon. The other two Jedi went down like chumps because they failed their will saves and took -6 to all physical attributes
>>695330526I wasn’t even joking when I said that. That’s the actual explanation George gave.
>>695330295>Grievous has always been a puff pieceLike He's explicitly mentioned to be a coward and his first onscreen fight has him running awayGenndy made him way more intimidating and competent than George ever wanted
>>695330701I think he’s more memorable as a coward. Between Vader, Maul and Dooku, we’d had a bunch of imposing villains up to that point. It’s refreshing to have a villain that’s more underhanded and conniving.
>>695330898Yeah that's always how I thought he works, like the whole 4 armed lightsaber thing feels way more fitting when you realize it's just someone trying to compensate rather than someone actually skilled enough to use them.
>>695329758>>695329658We miss the old Lukehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvktF0GB8Ro
>>695331000>someone actually skilled enough to use them.But he has been trained in the Jedi Arts by Count Dooku
kotor 2 is just last jedi if it was good
>>695331702?tfw hearing Luke saying "The Jedi must end" in the trailer and thinking it was going to mean he'd become Kreiapilled instead of just a character raped bitter old manFUCK I hate TLJ so much
>>695324925Yoda's "luminous beings" bit was always enough for me.
>>695331702I’m not sure if that comparison works because KOTOR 2 was actually trying to say something (as in, there was actually point to its subversive and deconstructive elements). TLJ feels deconstructive for the sake of it.
>>695331851You played yourself thinking the mainstream Star Wars movies would do away with the Jedi
>>695331885They share subversive and deconstructive elements and there is some familiarity in they're both riding in after their prequel was more in line with the traditional story format of the Star Wars convention, but KoTOR 2 actually used new characters to give different facades and perspectives on established characters (Atton, Hanharr, Kreia), and even when it does use old characters (Mandalore, HK, T3 etc.) they actually have them act in line with their previous established personality. TLS fails because a pivotal character like Luke's shift is forced and in the end kind of reverts back what he was supposed to be from the start, whereas Kreia is consistent in her actions from start to finish.
>>695332373Well I didn't actually think they were going to do away with the Jedi, but I was hoping we'd at least get something meaningful and interesting from that instead of the absolute sabotage we ended up with.
>>695331858>Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.
>>695324821Well it is in all life, in some bodies more than others, it influences events with often cataclysmic consequences for normies, doesn't seem to acknowledge or care about the damage done to balance itself (whatever that even means), seems unconcerned at best (or outright content) with collateral damage, will sacrifice thousands of it's own worshippers to achieve its desired state, makes no attempt to easily communicate with its followers about its wants or intents (you know, to make their lives easier, or just to preserve their lives, or to further a goal for them), seems wholly apathetic to suffering, so it is kind of like some cosmic horror set ups.
>>695332685It's such strong fucking dialogueSpiritual and subtle and reinforcing what was already established As much as I love Star Wars games, it's a huge issue that they took Force powers and made them work like RPG spellsIt was a deeper thing an extension of a Jedi's will that allowed him to do the impossible. It's like when the Buddha traps you inside a mountain.
>>695334673The Emperor shooting Force lightning is what threw that particular wrench in the works. Without that opening the floodgates the only physical manifestation of the Fprce we'd have is basically just telekinesis.
>>695309390One of the deepest characters written. This was the era when Bioware still made video games. Another one of their good games were NWN 1 and NWN 2 , those were better than Guild Wars 1 + its expansions.
>>695330167The female jedis dress like this for a reason but the Jedis are too Japanese to fucking realizeKit Fisto, Obi-wan, and Anakin are the exception.
>>695335097total jedi death
>>695335170Go back to the afterlife Sheev
>>695335097They don't call him Kit Fisto because he's into chicks
>>695335686>the afterlifeYou mean Hell?
>>695316765The real HK-47 doesn’t use Adjectives in front of the starting declaration
>>695335882>You mean Hell?One dude writes a well received fan-fic and 1,000 years later dipshits call it canon.Kill yourself.
>>695327025Yes and no. Becoming a loving spouse can make you too attached to your partner and family. Becoming a philanderer may get you too attached to pleasure or the lifestyle. Both are potential paths to the dark side.
>>695336485>he said in a thread discussing non-canon media
>>695335097"Luke…. did I ever tell you?"
>>695309659You can't kill the force anymore than you can temporally go against gravity by jumping, her quest is fundamentally a doomed cause, but I'm certain she could tell that.
>>695336370HK-50s do, so I can see how the anon could make that mistake. It's one of the many ways they're inferior to HK-47
>>695335097>wanna eat orange creamsicle
>>695335097too old
>>695318570No, Anakin chose to fall to the dark side. The Order could have done some things better, but, objectively, Anakin is a selfish character that chooses to genocide the people he grew up with because he can't accept that Padme MIGHT die in childbirth, and the galaxy suffers for it. He even realizes he made the wrong choice as soon as Mace flies out the window, but he thinks there's no other choice now.
>>695324821>"[The next three Star Wars films] were going to get into a microbiotic world. But there's this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force.">"Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we were just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in.... We're vessels for them. And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-cholorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force.">"The Whills are a microscopic, single-celled lifeform like amoeba, fungi, and bacteria. There's something like 100.000 times more Whills than there are Midi-chlorians, and there are about 10.000 times more Midichlorians than there are human cells.">"The only microscopic entities that can go into the human cells are the Midi-chlorians. They are born in the cells. The Midi-chlorians provide the energy for human cells to split and create life. The Whills are single-celled animals that feed on the Force. The more of the Force there is, the better off they are. So they have a very intense symbiotic relationship with the Midichlorians and the Midi-chlorians effectively work for the Whills.">"It is estimated that we have 100 trillion microbes in our body and we are made up of about 90% bacteria and 10% human cells. So who is in service to whom?"
>>695339557So Kreia was analogous to a tranny, trying to rebel against biology itself.
>>695339110Anon, Anakin didn't "choose" to fall to the Dark Side. He chose to enter into a forbidden, secret relationship and the situation spiralled out of his control. By the time he hears The Story Of Darth Plagueis The Wise he's not teetering on the brink of falling to the Dark Side and deciding to jump in, he's already tumbling into the abyss from slaughtering the Sand People.
>>695339557This reads like Lucas has been frequenting/pol/ and /x/ lmao
>>695336829Bro you wish you were smart enough to have caught the irony without it being spelled out for you.
>>695340168The Sand people deserve to be genocided, they're barbaric savages that kill everyone around them for daring to exist on the same planet. Fuck the Force kill em all.
>>695340213Reminder that the Sith language on Vader's chestplate in A New Hope was Hebrew.
>>695309390KOTOR2 was bad and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>695317217I like hags.
>>695334902I dunno, I felt like the Emperor shooting lightning was just an extension of thatIt's angry and it's clearly meant to torture Luke, it's anger made manifestIt also differentiated him from the Jedi and they glowy swords and choking people
>Anakin sees his wife die in a dream>Murders a bunch of kids>Barris becomes disillusioned with modern jedi order>bombs a hanger full of civilians and frames her best friend>Obi-Wan's sees the love of his life murdered in front of him>Doesn't turn to the dark side in an autistic rage because he actually fallowed his teachings and let go of his anger and sorrow I'm starting to think the problem wasn't the jedi or their code.
I'd rather fuck Kreia over the two female options.
star wars would have been solved if the jedi simply have sex
>>695342493If star wars lore is accurate then the real problem was just palpatine fuckin too much.
>>695340965Both KOTOR games are bad, the first one have a decent intro but after that the game take a nosedive, the second one doesn't even have that.Both games are carried by fun companions and Star Wars brand.
>>695342493They ain’t no simp
>>695342142Anakin was being actively pulled into the dark side and Barriss was trying to schemefag her way to a better future. There's a reason why scheming is so strongly associated with the Sith.
was the Republic in the right?
>>695342142>>695344059It's always odd seeing Barriss Offee's name around because I distinctly remember her a Padawan around the same age as Anakin and an apprentice during the start of the Clone WarsWhen the new contradicted it is when I went from somewhat enjoying it to no longer caring for it
>>695345304The Republic was a corrupt stagnant toothless entity ripe for authoritarian takeover. It deserved to be burned down.
>>695320885yeah this the one
>>695345580And replaced with what? Planetary states? A totalitarian empire? Literal corporate and gang-based polities?Ah, what the fuck do I care? I live in the Hapes Cluster anyway.
>>695345304Yeah actually. Solid values that stood and defined Rome for 500 years. Sulla's actions set up it's downfall but that was never his intentionOh you mean the Star Wars one. Yeah no. We have three films set during what's supposed to be the high era of the Republic and they do literally not one good or competent thingI mean, Technica the you can count the Jedi as part of them, but counting just the Republic, which is mostly represented by the Senate, we have>Inefficiency. They allow the Trade Federation to invade Naboo and are utterly feckless in dealing with the crisis>Apathy. There's slavery on Tattooine and many other worlds because the Republic doesn't reach or bother with them >Moral failing. Allow the employment of a vast slave army>Stupidity. Repeatedly vote to give emergency powers to their supreme executive office>Inadequacy. They applaud their own dissolution and that of their much vaunted values and institutions>Incompetency. Padme is Senator for two films and not a single law instituting twi'lek dress code for female senators is passed
>>695340156No, The angels-like entity were hermaphroditic or futa
>>695340342chud challenging energy?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZarlP2RG42Q
>>695345486Ask the writer, Dave
>>695314607It does help that her voice actress is know for her inability to keep her legs shut
Kreia shmeya. Give me Bastila instead
>>695309390*falls in love towards you*
>>695340168He still has agency though, regardless of how deep in the Dark Side he's seeped, he can still choose to turn away and do the right thing.>>695342142There's a bit of difference between the three. Anakin is actively being goaded by Palps over a decade, and Barriss is a child flung into an all out war (though ultimately she's just an excuse to get Ahsoka out of Order 66).
Kotor revealed the Mandalorians as the bitch ass niggas they are. They literally had to overexaggerate the feats of the Exile to look less pathetic.>"O-o-of course we lost! She was too powerful, beautiful, tactical, and witty!"
>>695349121>regardless of how deep in the Dark Side he's seeped, he can still choose to turn away and do the right thingI always assumed both Yoda and Ben's ghost wanted Luke to kill Vader and didn't see the redemption play coming.
>>695315689sigh, thanks, another blackpill was exactly what i needed.at least i can continue blaming it on the game being unfinished.
>>695327137Force balance doesn't make sense.It's just nice to say.Like utopia.In someone's version of utopia everyone is super educated and contributes. In another version people can opt out of education and live out degenerate fantasies on the holodeck for 200 years until they die.Unified utopia vs anything goes.Same with the force. Palpatine is just living his best life
>>695349876I'm speaking more for the prequels, specifically when Anakin is in the office with Mace and Palps. In the Empire era, Vader remains the lap dog because he has nothing else, he joined Palpatine to save Padme, and it got her and the Order killed and himself trapped in a subpar suit. Obi-Wan and Yoda had good reason to believe Vader was beyond redemption as well, but Luke's belief won the day.
i just want to swing a lightsaber and shoot lightning tbdesu
>>695313381Floating lightsabers are cool and all but keep in mind Jedi are magic. Grievous had 4 lightsabers spinning simultaneously and Obi Wan picked him apart by stopping the blades the moment they overlapped. The sabers are just a tool, what usually determines a fight's winner is their power in the force
>>695351193Fine. Just make sure the lightning is green and not blue or else we're gonna have a problem. Or just call it "electric judgment" instead of lightning.
>>695325294>>695325283Yellow eye give off mf badass
>>695351302This is why I wished there were Jedi equivalents of Palpatine. Realizing lightsabers don't make the Jedi and going full force wizard
>>695318557>>695318384Also PCück race
>>695309390Do good things>WHY DID YOU DO THAT? DO YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF?Do bad things>WHY DID YOU DO THAT? DO YOU THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE BUT YOURSELF?! I did it because it was the best outcome for the situation you saggy fucking cunt shit up.
>>695309482All the dialogue options in Kotor are blue, you actually have to read the options to tell if they're light or dark.
>>695317604Fucking top kek
No one ever gets corrupted to the light side, or redeemed in the dark side. What the actual fuck.
>>695324821Thats like asking if gravity determines the fates of every living thing in existence. The answer is yes and no. The Force is apart of life in every galaxy in the SW universe (yes in the EU it exists in others) but it doesn't determine the ultimate fates of every living thing in existence. Kreia spurns it because things didn't go her way from Revan, her students to her own foray into the dark-side. The Force created Anakin as a counter to the machinations of Palpatine/Plagueis yet he still turned and helped in the deaths of trillions of lives, causing ruptures and outright disruptions in The Force. Yet he was also instrumental in the defeat of the empire. She looks at The Force's input as too black and white, the irony in that shes also asking the Exile to look at the choices they make from a grey perspective.
anyways, does anyone else hate grey jedi?
>>695352817That was supposed to be Yoda but George thought it would be funnier to have him do tripple backflips
>>695356341What did Yarael Poof do to you anon?[spoiler)Yeah, it's just a way for people make their OC's cool.[/spoiler]
bump for hags
>>695357372>SpoilerFuck.
>>695357430I wanted to fuck the bald chick in the 2D cartoon, she had the pointy tits I obsess over today.
>>695316090Nonsense. Would you punish a dog for howling, or digging, or chasing? These are things that come naturally for a dog. It's simply in their nature.
>>695325283>your master does this to you>she secretly wants you to fail this trainingWhy don't we have a Jedi game with this aesthetic yet?
>>695356341Yeah I hate that shit aswell, but mainly because I subscribe to the belief that the darkside is a corruption of the force and not apart of its natural state.Let me fail with that other guy
>>695310181I never hated a character in a videogame, as much as I did ulysses in new vegas. He was so up his own ass. His dialogue felt like some writer's fan-fiction self-insert "smart" character. He made the divide so unplayable for me that I quit it about an hour in. Killing him wasn't even worth slogging through his shitty self obsessed narcissistic self-indulgent dialogue.
>>695316090Sequence would've worked too if they showed him being killed and mugged for his rags if you just spurned him outright. Nar Shadda was a shithole in any other scenario giving 1 person some credits isn't gonna do anything.
>>695316247>He played the game to counter this imageWhat did the Light side do to make you so mad?
>>695356341100% it's super, mega retardedI mean, it's pretty clear from the films that the Dark Side of the Force is a corruption of it, or at the very least indulging in it is, that's why Obi-Wan says destroying the Sith brings balance to the ForceThe idea that you need a Galaxy where half of the people are altruistic and and good and the other half evil and murderous is dumb So the Grey Jedi idea is one where a retard misunderstands one of the main points of the story but still recognizes that it is a story of good vs evil and then goes "you see good OR evil in excess are bad!"
>>695309390>leGo kill yourself
>>695326587Mission!
>>695356341I like the aesthetics. Grey and black/white are my favorite colors/combos.But thematically no they're retarded. They don't make sense in the world as we NOW know it, they only vaguely made sense in the world as it was. Once they began to explain the force as a concept more in the prequels, it loses all meaning as a concept, grey jedi have no purpose.
>>695359154Wow!
>>695357428What's the right move here?
the cantina loop music drives me insane
>>695326287The jedi fell because obiwan kenobi 1 of the greatest jedi of all time saw a bounty hunter renowned for being able to kill jedi commit a murder then he followed him to a cloning planet and saw a clone army of jedi killers being made for dubious reasons and on the cloning planet the jedi killer tried to kill obiwan the jedi, after barely surviving this attack obiwan sees the jedi killer hanging out with and protecting and taking orders from the evil sith he's fighting but still chooses to use the army of cloned jedi killers after assurances from the obviously questionable manufacturers who totally promise they won't start killing all the jedi like the jedi killer they were cloned from
>>695361391Don't forget that the evil sith literally told ObiWan that his evil sith master controlled the Senate and neither him or the Senate bothered to stop and investigate this last elected president of space, who got into power just around the time said clone army of Jedi killers was commissioned
>>695361720Yeah it's not like they cloned Glibbdo Shibbdo the Droid killer, they picked a Mandalorian to clone which in and of itself should've been a red flag not to mention a standing army of volunteers should not be an issue for an entity called The Galactic Repubic comprised of literally trillions of people across hundreds if not thousands of planets but we really really really need this army of renowned Mandalorian jedi killers to fight the evil robots who are not jedi.
>>695314693>>695315689>Aggressive retard has no idea what he's talking about and has never seen the prequelsEvery thread
>>695357994nah he's just a coping narcissist thinking he's the greatest genius of the world because he can barely read and read x amount of books without pictures, BUT he IS wrong and can realize thatthere's some dlc size quest mod however that has its big bad inspired by him that is genuinely a writer self insert center of the universe smartass that gets an ultimate win over you no matter whatUlysses is a well written but EXTREMELY obnoxious character on purpose pushing your tolerance to the limit not to murder his ass for itremember he's from the era where CRPG autists were insistent on "nonviolent resolution via discussion is le ultimately most intellectual way to end a game and any game that doesn't have such route no matter how retarded is le bad and the dev must be sent death threats for it", so the challenge in this DLC it's to resist your urge to murder him over his endless reddit essaying as trash talk over the radio
>>695359045This kind of opinion is what happens when someone is so stuck on there being two options with zero nuance to either that the idea of a third position is literally alien to themThe type of person who thinks that the Jedi order wasn't based on poor foundations, they just "weren't good enough"
>>695361819It would be an issue if you don't have a standing army, which the Republic doesn't because it's been at peace for a thousand years, because that means you don't have all the stuff you need for war, surplus of weapons, vehicles, ships, and the people with training you need to operate all of that. Part of the concern in AotC is how quickly the Separatist movement is growing, so the Republic doesn't have time to build up an army, something the clone army solves, which the senate likes, no need for a draft or training, the Jedi's suspicions be damned.
why bother having a handle if you're not going to hold it in your hand
>>69530939090% of "people" don't
>>695362278why bother going out of your way to custom design a compact lightsaber with a unique form factor when you can just use normal ones that you can pick up if you need to
>>695309390>game where you have a father figurewow I love this character!>game where you have a mother figurenghhhhhhhhhh I don't like them. don't tell me what to do mum!
>>695309390>it's fuck around and find out>so>will you fuck around and find out or will you use your head first? >character flaw beneath the logical arguements is she ultimately can't practice what she preaches either and full committed to a fuck around direction/v/ spergs are melting down because they were self inserting into her confident personality and intellectual sounding talk, then when realizing she's not flawless, and the over-rationalization is just her cope, they feel cheated and sperg out non-stop about itthis is also the fanboys of every Atlus villain that uses good sounding moral arguement sentences and their victimhood as cope for standing for an absolutely retarded idea, because they felt cheated when the retard is revealed to be a retardsame shit with all the Caesar fanboys and Joshua fanboys and Ulysses fanboys in New Vegas ultimately (you) need a minimal amount of intelligence and literacy to actually understand writing, and people who are below that minimum choose to screech insisting they are smart
>trying to get mods to work>have to use old version>have to patch it to be 16:9>works in menus and CC>crashes after text crawlI'm going insane
>>695361241get a girlfriend and have regular sex with her
>>695362383>why bother going out of your way to custom design a compact lightsaberLiterally all of them are custom designed. It's established lore. Light folded over a thousand times, etc etc.
>>695356341I hate the fanfiction LIGHT AND DARK TOGETHER Grey Jedi"official" Grey Jedi who are just Jedi that think the Jedi are kind of bullshit are almost universally cool
>>695362864They're customized in the same way the PC you made out of components you bought online is
>>695309390>Bear >Bull>Light>DarkI just wanted to hard fuck kreia and Ulysses until their minds were broken.
>>695361819In all honesty the Galactic Republic not having a large army before AOTC is stupid.
>>695363225most nations throughout history prior to the Cold War didn't have a standing army, including the Roman Republic that George based the Galactic Republic and its fall on.
>>695363225Why would they, the Galatic republic seemed pretty decentralised with most systems just focusing on their own problems sending the obligation senator along to represent their interest, a standing Army would stand in direct opposition of that since they could then strong arm systems into doing what they want.
>>695361720And they never once asked to just switch the cloning template to someone else, or have a new army of clones not from a jedi killer, and they also weren't allowed to look into the orders programmed into them even though they paid for them, just have to trust the people already cloning jedi killers for the jedi before the jedi asked for the jedi killing clones, then they implicitly trusted the clones so much they went around alone with them.
>>695353115Shut the fuck up retard
>>695359154>>695361081Why didn't they bring her back in 2? Was it cowardice?
>>695348560>"i'm immortal you can't kill me">"well ackhually the futility of your actions made your life miserable hell. Wouldn't b better to just die?">"oh shit, your right" *dies*Shittiest boss fight ever.
>>695363941being able to talk your way out of boss fights is PEAK RPG'n
>>695363941I like it though, it's rare for a vidya boss fight to demand you pass the dialogue check to win, usually it's just an option to skip it rather than something needed to win it.
>>695364004passing a couple skill check options(or just one if the game is lazy) <<<<<<<<< serious conversation requiring you to actually consider which options are right <<<< maze of dialog options and potentially other speech mechanics that you need to carefully think your way through to avoid hitting dead ends or getting trapped in rhetorical loops
>>695349121>He still has agency thoughI'm realising you might be genuinely autistic if you can't understand the man has spent months sliding down the slippery slope and is too far gone to view things objectively by the time he's been groomed into making the wrong decision. "Why didn't person who made bad choice simply make good choice instead?" Why indeed.
>>695363830Palpatine would never allow an inferior specimen to take Jango's genetic place, he was chosen as the template for a reason. The Jedi also didn't know about the chips before Ringo Vada, and Palps wouldn't want them looking into it anyway since Order 66 is right there.
Reminder that you can just tell Kreia to go fuck herself and her lessons and philosophy are shit at pretty much every opportunity and she does nothing but seethe about it. Yeah you lose out on some dialogue by putting her at low influence but the game doesn't "force" you to agree with her at literally any point in the entire story: you can always ridicule her worldview at every turn if you want to.
>>695364672>chipsfuck offRevan understood snacks
>>695363836No, fuck you.That guy was projecting the simplicity of mass effect's (and later, swtor's) PICK RED OR BLU dialogue onto Kotor.Neither game is the deepest in the world but they at least expect you to fucking read the responses and consider them instead of just picking a color, even in the first game.
>>695309482no i wanted a green light saber but they didnt have the right looking one so i became evil
>>695364778PRETZELS LIE. THEY MANIPULATE.
>>695327708kreia's voice is sexier
>>695364778>>695365284Pretzel pasta makes Kreia look way more based than she actually is.
>>695364472This is 4chan, being autistic is a requirement. Anakin is slipping down the slope, but he hasn't jumped off it, in my opinion, that happens when he pledges himself to the Dark Side and slaughters the temple. You probably feel differently, though. Yes, Anakin has been groomed for over a decade, but he's still conflicted over it, with killing Dooku, waiting in the council chambers, even with the Tuskens. Luke was faced with similar temptation and chose to reject it, and George wanted both trilogies to be like poetry, ergo Anakin faces the same choice, except he gave in.
>>695366176Doesn't work because what Luke went through is only superficially similar to what Anakin did. And only happened sporadically over the course of 3 years instead of constant bullshit over 10.
>>695366540Luke went through almost the same arc, being tempted by the notion of a high destiny slowly being subverted into being used by people trying to seduce him to the dark side, the older movies were just less in your face about it. The concepts of destiny and Fate is constantly trying pull and push Luke in different directions and whilst he initially like Anakin views as affirming he ends up feeling regretful about giving in to such temptations, but in the end he redeems his father because unlike Yoda or Obi-Wan Luke is human and willing to forgive his father.
visas fucking lips look so fucking kissable fuuuuck they're so glossy
>>695366540Maybe, but a force user doesn't need much to go over the edge, and Luke striking down Vader in his anger would be the nudge. But Luke rejects the temptation, passing the test that Anakin failed and paving the path for his redemption.
>>695327708imagine
>>695342493How do the jedi fucking procreate if they don't have sex?!
>>695324248Revan was her student.
>>695309390>twenty years of anons getting filtered by this old hagIt's incredible, really.
>>695365139As if Kotor doesn't have the same thing with the top option being good, retard-kun
>>695367750they don't, Force sensitivity is propagated by those who are too weak to be taken by the Jedi or those who wash out of the Order without making it to Padawan
>>695364694low influence also unlocks dialogue
>>695335097Mary Sues don't do it for me.
>>695367814She just wanted the player to think. It was a doomed ambition
>>695342142>TCW timelineCringe.
>both romance option are 10/10How did they do it?
>>695367817It doesn't, In the example I fucking posted the light side option is number 5, the rest are either neutral, mocking or dark.Maybe you should actually play a game before critiquing it you nigger.
>>695367817Retard.kys
>>695367634>720x1080
>>695367750They groom children.
>the Jedi take children to train them in the Force so they don't grow up and hurt people with their talents or fall to the Dark Side>but only children below a certain age because it's infinitely easier to train them to forego attachement if they have none to start with>"masters this child has insane Force potential" "yeah but nah we don't want him he's 10"So, what? They were just happy to dump Anakin back on Tattooine and let him grow up knowing he has the ability to use the Force and it would be disastrous for him and everyone around him if he never learned to control it or temper his emotions?
>>695363225The EU do not either today, it instead has a bunch of nation armies that may or may not cooperate in event of WW3.A large standing army is a post industrial thing, that only happened as a response to WW1 and WW2 depending on when you got dragged into it.
>>695368982>and it would be disastrous for him and everyone around him if he never learned to control it or temper his emotions?If he was never trained, Anakin would probably have just been the most kickass pilot and mechanic on the outer rim.He didn't know how to consciously use the force and likely wouldn't have figured it out.The whole 'teaching them from childhood' thing is for both training in conscious awareness of the force and how to manipulate it, and for mental control.Force sensitive adults don't generally figure out how to use overt power on their own.
>>695368982>>695369307Wasn't there some what-if spinoff or somesuch where Anakin remained on Tatooine and indeed became the most famous kickass pilot?
>>695368982He would've either died young or been way better off if Quigon had just done what he knew was protocol and not kept dragging him around. Really the whole will of the Force thing and Quigon being a rebel to the council both caused way more harm than good, though the argument could be made that if Palpatine didn't get Anakin he'd have gotten someone else, and things would've been even worse. Palpatine probably had backup apprentices in case Anakin died. If he didn't, it's because he knew the Force was protecting Anakin and would enable his ascent to power, which is even more disturbing to think about because it begs the question of how benevolent such an entity can be if it permits such things to happen.
>>695368769Thanks Champ
>>695369307The cat's out of the bag, he knows he's Jedi material. He was taken to the Jedi Temple and met with the Jedi Council and a Jedi Master slyly tells him he can't be trained as a Jedi but just watch what I do. The kid knows he could be a saber twirling, rock lifting, mind wiping demigod someday.So either you train him or you wipe his memory because he has zero incentive to not try and develop those powers by himself.
>>695369625this is literally canonthey all drool for me, for very little reason.
>>695366176>with killing DookuI know Palpatine was an evil mastermind and had calculated that the chances of this were zero, but what the fuck was he going to do if Anakin didn't do this? His entire scheme would fall apart at the seams almost instantly. I like to think about the reaction he'd have if Anakin just placed him under arrest, I like to think he'd have a nervous breakdown
>>695327137Why doesn't that will of the Force prevent powerful darksiders from going on a power trip? Are they not affected by this will or fate or whatever meaning Kreia should actually enforce dark side? Or this will is merely "a suggestion" instead of inevitability thus Kreia's is making a fuss over nothing?
>>695368982I have a schizo headcanon that the jedi order in the prequels weren't light side jedi. Their obsession with detachment and deadening of their emotions just doesn't make sense as the "positive" counterbalance to the dark side. Shouldn't a "light" jedi strive to improve the world and situations of others around them? Shouldn't they treasure the good around and within themselves without becoming greedy or arrogant? The jedi order of the prequels had none of those good qualities. They were ambivalent to the world as it burned down around them. They were arrogant in their self superior indifference. They only took action when they felt directly threatened in their power. To me those qualities don't even describe "light" they describe a grey jedi. The idea of the grey jedi has taken on an annoying self wanking air of being the third special choice, but the jedi to me already embody the perfect example of and rebuke to that philosophy. Without any interest in good or evil, or even basic material conditions of the world around them, all that's left for them to pursue is bureaucracy and ritual.I know that will never be the actual canon because star wars is made by and for retards now, but it'll always bother me.
>>695369635Okay, in the scenario that Qui-gon takes him along and Anakin gets to watch and listen to him - then sure, he'll almost certainly figure out powers because that dude is a cryptic sage sort of guy who's dropping jedi philosophy and using his powers every ten seconds.In the cases where he's immediately sent back to tatooine, or sent back after Qui-gon dies, he's probably not getting anywhere near demigod territory - he'll just be levitating the hydrospanner to him rather than walking over to the toolbox.
>>695370009Or he'll find out what all Dark Siders discover, that getting real fucking mad allows you to bruteforce your way to using your powers more acutely. And a former slave returned to his homeworld and obviously trying to free his slave mother is going to have a lot of anger issues to contend with.
>>695370206What's the problem exactly? Fuck everyone on Tatooine. If Anakin became an independent force user using blasters and droids and led a slave uprising and turned the planet around why would anyone have a problem or give a shit? Hell I'd root for him.
>>695326256>How much would the individual shape this Will?That's the dark side.
>>695370206The darksiders are all still actually educated on how to perceive and manipulate the force, even if they're bruteforcing their way to a more powerful outburst.Force sensitive+Angry =/= Lightning
>>695370459I'm sure if the 10,000 Jedi culled by Order 66 knew their heads were on the table to bring balance every single one of them or a substantial majority including the council would've tried to actively shape that will.
>>695369798Dooku talks on the Invisible Hand, Palpatine still has Anakin's trust, but he need Obi-Wan and Dooku to die before they return to Coruscant.If they get to Coruscant, Palps probably activates Order 66 ASAP, throws every nearby clone legion at the temple, and spins it as the Jedi trying to ally with Dooku to overthrow the Republic. Not as clean as canon or legends, more Jedi escape then he would like, but Palps is good at adapting.
the telos cantina music won't escape my brain
>>695339557I wish we had this retarded schizo kino instead of nu-SW
>>695359154>>695361081>>695363912Did any of you gooners actually bother to bring her anywhere? She's whiny and useless in combat.
>>695353115If you prefer, it can be rephrased as: do you pick the obviously light-side aligned action because it is obviously light-sided and you want those sweet good boy points, or do you pick it based on the context and potential outcomes?
>>695370948Counter point: blue hebussy
>>695347786>2015could have sworn it was older
>>695326229NOTHIN WRONG WITH ME!
>>695371836Which of the options in the image you're replying to is the good boy points option?
>>695327708DO NOT MATE WITH THE MIRALUKA!
>>6953721105.
>>695372129You can't stop me!
This thread makes me want to replay Kotor 2.
>>695372604go and replay itit'll be a slow and honestly boring start but eventually you'll be able to force people to kill themselves and ruin everyones life and corrupt needy handmaidens
>>695372540Are you sure about that? Deciding to end the conversation and just fight is the light side option?
>>695309390This is how "progressives" actually think. >But harm can theoretically result from any action and you can't realistically predict all direct outcomes of your own actions accurately plus the butterfly exists>So spend all of your time self flagellating and apologizing to anyone with a bad reputation whether for their individual actions or group associations, and repeat any given deconstruction of any good person or well liked group uncritically because it's bigoted to like good better than evil and killing and raping people is both justified and also doesn't count if it's people I say have power even if that power is being used to save people you are abusing power overFucking cattle
>>695372937While that is characteristic of contemporary progressive philosophy, it's an issue that's plagued mankind since before Socrates.It's been codified as the sin of scrupulosity by Catholics for at least half a millennium, even.
>>695372901That's right.
