Reminder that Shadow with a gun was always fucking cringeworthy and autistic as fuck. No amount of zoomer revisionism will make this cool. It's always been retarded and a big reason Sonic became a laughingstock.
>>695575356You strike me as a bit of a cringy autist yourself. Bit of an expert on the matter?
>>695575481>N-no you Cope retard. Even as a kid, this made no sense. Shadow has no reason to use a gun or ride a motorcycle. All of his abilities far exceed the need for either. You're not convincing anyone that a toony hedgehog holding a hyper realistic gun is cool. You must have taken the short bus.
>>695575356>SEGA okayed both Shadow with a gun again and made a sequel to shadow the hedgehog a game that did an insurmountable amount of damage to the sonic brand as a whole especially with how its perceived on the internet, a game that was seen as an embarrassing joke and was routinely mocked and ridiculed for years all before even thinking about referencing any of the western sonic shit
>>695575356Its ok because hes john wick
aaanyways who's looking forward to the sonic 3 movie? I'm taking my girlfriend and little brother there day 1 (all of us big fans)
>>695575356>and a big reason Sonic became a laughingstockYeah. Because Sonic DIDN'T have a gun.
>>695575804You know that we now hit the point where people actually want Shadow to use guns again and Shadow Gen is seen as one of the post modern sonic games
>>695575356Guns are cool, motorcycles are cool, Shadow is cool. Sonic became a laughingstock because his games were shit, that's all. You are autistic.
>>695576361No, it became a laughingstock because it tried to be super edgy and pandering. Modern Sonic has always been jewslop for people made to drink bleach as toddlers. In what world is breaking characterization for the sake of childish and shallow imagery a good idea? It makes no sense. Shadow is far too prideful of a character to resort to using his enemies methods against him. Now, because people grew up with Sega slop they now think it's something cool.
>>695576361As yes a character designed to have reserved, cool-headed mannerisms, speak specifically with respectful, earnest language, who prides himself on his power, whose trauma involves his best friend being SHOT,THAT is the character to slap with some raunchy loud guns and motorbikes.You need to take a step back and see that you're quicker to retroactively rationalize bad writing decisions than you are to try and understand Shadow's character and the intent behind how he was written in his debut game.At the end of the day it's just very disappointing to see a complex, dark character who was made to carry himself in a cool, reserved, 'pure' way, now being forever associated with the most generic, shallow, dull, and childish idea of edginess.
Cope fag>Pumps MP5
>>695577097>No argument
>>695577603what, you expect to get a genuine discussion over whether guns fit sonic characters or not? KEK fucking listen to yourself
>>695575356>talking about what’s cringeworthy on fucking /v/Get over yourself
>>695575356Why did you feel the need to specify "with a gun" OP?
>>695575356the GUN is based you fag
>>695578059Shadow is a vengeful being who prides himself on his innate power, who looks down on humanity as "beneath him", whose best friend was killed with guns from a hyper-militaristic factionWhere do a love for firearms fit into a character like this?
>>695575804>>695576095Sonic fans look back on what they had and realize what they had back then was kino, and they don't want to lose that. sonic is at its best when it's shonen sci-fi kino. and >we should stop acting like it isn't the hypest shit ever
>>695578059Shadow as characterized in SA2 is not someone who would forgo the opportunity to demonstrate his power by 'lowering' himself to his enemy's standards.we're talking about the character whose first action on-screen was to say "Witness my power" and take down a military mech. Who then proceeded to lay wreck to a bunch of random GUN robots in Radical Highway in a show of that power. He wouldn't use guns for literally any reason. It's you retards who grew up on this dogshit of a game that mischaracterizes him that think he should.
>>695578239>>695578425they just look cool
>>695578425>>695578239The only time Shadow has used a gun is when he had amnesia which makes sense since he could turn into a variety of "people" with the choice system
>>695575356Don't worry, it'll return to being stupid once the fanbase cycle reaches the new stage.
>>695575356It WAS cool and then the franchise became movieshit and descended into slop irrelevancy.
>>695579102>"um ackshually chud things in the past were always as shit as they are now so just slurp up the latest product with no questions asked"It should be legal to hunt you.
>>695575356yeah that the point of shadow, to contrast him with sonic
>>695575667Which Sonic the Hedgehog character is the coolest?
>>695575356>Shadow on a motorcycle with a gun>Jim Carrey Ivo and Gerald RobotnikOh yeah… I’m thinking it’s kino
>>695575356it's kino and you're a no gunz no funz faggot
Give Shadow a portable Eclipse Cannon.
Why do westerners hate her so much?
>>695580491They think the virtue signalling will get them laid.
>>695579649Nah, the classic games are by far the best.But you can't deny how hard nostalgia plays to every erafag fanbase of Sonic.People acting like Silver is a hype post credit reveal is one of the biggest signs.
>>695575356He uses a gun because he's weaker than Sonic and needs them to compensate. I think Shadow using weapons is a great way to make Shadow stand out from Sonic and demonstrate the power difference between the two.
>>695580491We love this character! I personally don't think she's in the new movie because she doesn't really work with the current setting. In SA2 it made sense for a bat girl to work for gun because animal people and humans just both shared earth. In the movie the animal people are from a different dimension. So it doesn't really make sense to have a bat girl working for the government as a spy. She stands out way to much. They'd also have to waste time explaining how she ended up on earth and working for the government. Ita just pointless bloat. So it's just easier to have her role filled by a human character for this film. Maybe she can show up as a treasure hunter in another movie or season 2 of the knuckles & Wade show.
>>695580721He always seems equal to Sonic though and if I remember right he gets another power boost if he takes off the limiter rings.
>>695580580>People acting like Silver is a hype post credit revealMovieniggers aren't people and shouldn't be counted in the sonic fanbase.
>>695578424Yep.Shadow = BejitaSonic = TardkuKnuckles = Tien or Piccolo
>>695578738That doesn't change his innate personality because he has amnesia.
>>695581096They could have easily had her undercover or in some costume so she doesn't stand out or freak anyone out. Not like it would matter much seeing how easily sonic tails and knuckles came to earth and got accepted by people in public. The government always hides shit and has definitely been hiding aliens or other races even irl.
>>695581252Knuckles is PiccoloEspio is Tenshinhan
>>695581579>or in some costumeA hooded cloak and stilts.
>>695575356Jarvis, portray OP as a crying low testosterone wojak. Imply he is also a frequent user of Reddit and takes bean-based liquid dietary food supplements.
>>695581805Midget lives matter
>>695575667Shadow has no reason to exist outside of this character, you mongoloid. You're just mad that someone else's OC donut steel isn't as cool as you could make it, which is the epitome of cringy autism.
>>695575356NO U!
>>695582479It really is funny how completely wrong journos turned out to be regarding Sonic, as much as they thought they were the authority in the games industry.These retards had to act like Sonic 4 was a good game, or else admit that they were wrong.
>>695576659Shadow existed for 2 games before he picked up a gun. Whatever gave you the impression using one was beneath him? He's not fucking DMC Vergil.
>>695582479>SEGA finally starts ignoring these dipshits>Sonic brand is in its healthiest position since the early 2000sFunny what happens when you actually listen to your fans rather than out of touch millennials
>>695583404It's even funnier when you take into account blockbusters have been bombing nonstop whereas the funny blue hedgehog movies are profitable.
>>695575356>cringeworthy and autistic as fuckYes. And I like it.
that’s what i love about sonic and it’s community, it’s so cringe it acts as the ultimate normalfag filter
Will Chadow be playable in the next "mainline" Sonic (probably Frontiers 2)?
shadow should use guns because he doesn't need to use his powers unless there is a big threat. they should also curse and there should be some blood too. not even joking.
>>695583607They don't even make all that much, really.They're just competently made movies that don't go a hundred million over budget for extra months of reshoots.
>>695575356I don't know what the big deal is, it's clearly a PG sci-fi gun that shoots stuns or whatever.
>>695575356You're a massive faggot, didn't read btw.
>>695582808>>695582057Shadow is also prideful in powers, and his role at the Ultimate Lifeform- to a fault to the point where he'll put his mission at risk to duke it out with Sonic just to prove he's stronger.The Shadow I know would be insulted by the thought that he'd use such lowly, pathetic toys.Shadow as characterized in SA2 is not someone who would forgo the opportunity to demonstrate his power by 'lowering' himself to his enemy's standards.The moment he shows up, he uses his powers against random robots and gun agents, so don't try the excuse of "He only fights like this with people that are worth the effort."If Shadow was inclined toward guns, the character writing and design would have communicated that. Instead they suggest the opposite.Again, Shadow is a vengeful being who prides himself on his innate power, who looks down on humanity as "beneath him", whose best friend was killed with guns from a hyper-militaristic factionAnd again. Where do a love for firearms fit into a character like this?
>>695584139>this character trait doesn't fit with my headcanon so the game must be wrongK
>>695580721Lol, no. He was willing to risk everything, including his mission just to duke it out with Sonic. The game makes it seem as though they're equal in strength. >M-make him stand out You mean just making him Sonic except he does mean things like shoot people.
>>695584321>L-le headcanon! No, retard. It's the way that he's portrayed that suggests the opposite. Shadow 05 is jarringly different than how he is portrayed in SA2.
>>695578425Shadow's game never even has him use a gun in the story. It's purely a gameplay decision and shows up in the intro for marketing. The only reason they gave him a gun is because fans were asking for Sonic with a gun.
>>695575356 Embrace the cringe.
>>695584073The world has gotten to pussified that any semblance of faux edge will make retards coom.
>>695584576So it's retarded and not in character and it seems even the staff at Sega agree.
>>6955824792000s babies don't wanna hear this, but there's a very real reason why journos (and yes, many fans) complained about Sonic's cast in the 2000s. SA1/2 (mostly) made you play a completely different game when you weren't playing as Sonic, Heroes had slightly better gameplay, but there were 9 characters who would NOT stop yapping, and they were just as annoying in ShadowTH. And yes, as much as revisionists in these threads try and say otherwise, going from, say, Sonic 3D Blast to ShadowTH toting a fucking machine gun WAS a pretty huge shift in tone for this series. And it wasn't even that long of a time period between those games, either. Less than a decade. Even less than that when you consider SA2 and its tonal shift. It's understandable that not everyone would be on board with it. And that's all BEFORE Sonic '06. You really had to be there to fully appreciate the nosedive that Sonic took just in terms of quality after the 90s. Sure, articles like this might be cringe by 2024 standards, but we've got over two decades of hindsight to work with. All they knew was what was coming out at the time. And what was coming out at the time simply wasn't very good. It is true that Sonic's friends aren't the sole reason for that, but to pretend that they didn't play a role at all, or to pretend that isn't a valid complaint as someone in 2005, is just being willfully ignorant.>>695583404Again, a lot of fans were saying the same damned thing the journalists were saying back in the day. They just wanted to play as fucking Sonic without any non-Sonic gimmicks. Then, after Sonic Team heavily over-corrected for about a decade, fans wanted characters to come back again. Suddenly, characters start slowly coming back. What I'm saying is, it's less that Sega is listening to reviewers, and more that they've been trying to listen to the fans the whole time. The thing is, what the fans at large want and what people in echo chambers on /v/ want are two totally different things.
>>695581252Knuckles is definitely Piccolo, they're so similar they both keep getting claimed by nogs. Plus Knuckles shows up the Sonic OVA just like Piccolo does in all pf the DBZ movies. AlsoSilver = Trunks
Sonic thread on this board always remind me the reality of/v/. The fact that there is actually discourse about sonic means that enough people played all or most of sonic games to keep threads alive (and there are a lot of them). Meaning there are a lot of people on /v/ who went past sonic the hedgehog on the megadrive and continued with this shitty franchise. You are all chris-chan just a little bit less retarded, but definitely as autistic. And no that’s not a compliment.
>>695575804This is retarded though.The original Mickey Mouse is very different compared to Disney mascot Mickey.Also both differ from the comic Mickey by Italians.And this is a good thing.
>>695579102Sonic Mania was good though.
>>695585036Yeah, I agree with you. Shadow with a gun was blatant focus group pandering but actually it's good because I liked it when I was 8.
>>695575356no
>>695583404>Zoomoids care about SonicHope you enjoy the front lines, anon!
>>695585118This is the exact same complaint that ProJared made in his own Sonic Adventure 2 review.
>>695585224I'm not really a Sonic fan (though I definitely do have some autistic obsessions), I just saw the Shadow with a gun OP and thought this would be a fun thread. The only Sonic game I've ever beaten is Sonic 3. Though I did watch the entirety of AoSTH.
>>695575356Nobody thinks shitting on Shadow is cool anymore, bro. Go back to 2013.
i disagree
>>695578425counterpoint, guns are cool
>>695575356Sonic was always a laughingstock and shadow fit right in.
>>695586793>Cream isn't using the omochao gun
Everything after Sonic CD, except Mania, is thoroughly made for faggots. Anyone who disagrees or argues otherwise, is one of the aforementioned faggots.
>>695587440No one likes Omochao. Not even Cream. ESPECIALLY not Cream, in fact.
>>695584139>The Shadow I know would be insulted by the thought that he'd use such lowly, pathetic toys.OOF
>>695585369>absolutely disregards you as an audience member
>>695587921You aren't important.
>>695585118>Heroes had slightly better gameplayI'd say Heroes had more gameplay issues than the speed gameplay in SA1/2.
>>695575804And yet the game was commercially successful.
>>695579102>Sonic Mania was awful
>>695588048>>695588350Either way, the point is that Mania is not a game for Adventurefags. It's 100% aimed at the Classicfags.
>>695588693>ermmmm it's not for YOU, chudToo bad.
>>695575356So about the new trailer, anyone else think this movie is going to suck? Despite the story being based on Sonic Adventure 2 it feels more....joke like. I don't like Gerald using time travel to somehow be alive later in the timeline when he should be dead. And even if he's not using time travel I don't like him being alive. Him using Shadow to initiate his deadly plan was a huge surprise in the game story.Seeing Shadow be on screen standing by Gerald's side feels off. Makes him more unlikable somewhat. Basically the movie feels off and the jokes like "You look like a Pokemon pika pika!" are still not good or Jim Carrey seeing himself as a Santa Claus while doing the S o y Face that was embarrassing. And I really didn't like that one scene with Sonic saying "Oh that's not scary. *black hole shows up* Okay NOW it's scary!"
How did Mario pull it off while Shadow got mocked relentlessly?
>>695575356It looks cool, I watched the trailer, thought "holy fuck they actually gave him a gun" that's funny and cool so I like it.
you have to like the Sonic movies because they're bad and cringe with sonic memes. not because they elevate Sonic as a character or as a concept.
>>695589528Miyamoto has been a big proponent that realistic guns don't exist in Mario's universe. Mario's weapon in your image is a blaster and in Donkey Kong games the characters use fruit guns.The closest thing to a realistic gun in any part of the Mario universe is that seriously old Japanese promo of Mario holding Bowser at gun point with what looks to be a fictional take of an AK.
>>695575356>literal coolest thing ever>"this fucking sucks, actually"
>>695589863After Shadow Generations I'm so glad Maria was killed off. Holy hell what a cringe character seeing Maria explain Shadow's name is to symbolize that he needs to find the light of his heart and what not, what is this Kingdom Hearts? Nah glad that soldier put a bullet in her.
>>695589863>You will never hold hands with Shadow.
>>695589863this is cute :)
So where's the leak about the movie from that SXSG thread a few months back?
Are you mad about sonic or the fact playing video games did not lead to a good life
>>695589854Nice Twitter meme and no actual argument.
>>695589863
>>695575356Times changed you nasty old faggot it's cool now and your irrelevant old ass has no foothold in this discussion.
>>695590032She's a little kid in a japanese video game dude none of that should have made you bat an eye at all.
>>695590326>debate me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You're gay and Shadow is cool.No counterargument will change this.
>>695583909Probably
>>695590045Rouge...
>>695577603Yes, now bow
>>695588693Why do you people think Sonic fans can only fit into one category? I'm a classicfag, adventurefag, boostfag, and etc. I like Sonic CD, Sonic Mania, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic x Shadow Generations, and many more Sonic games.
>>695575963I hate these and the snapcube memes. I hate that I can't go to one thread or comment section without these stupid references. I fucking hate what the Sonic Fandom has become.
>>695575356>Reminder that Shadow with a gun was always fucking cringeworthy and autistic as fuck.That's why it's fun
>>695592145Nta but sounds like you're just a fag
>>695575804>trying to say Shadow damaged the brand when 06 is RIGHT FUCKING THEREGod I hate you retards
>>695592198I know how you feel anon. I like dragon ball.Have you ever been into a Dragon Ball thread?Yeah.
>>695578425He's never shown as anti-gun though? He literally doesn't give a fuck that Eggman uses guns in his robot.
>>695592145>Why do you people think Sonic fans can only fit into one category? I eat literally anything Sega shits out and enjoy all the slop equally
Shadow looks fucking amazing
>>695592420At least it's just the drink. And not 500 different """jokes""" that snapcube and jehtt have made
Maria's fat dumpy
>>695592803
>>695575356Anyone got any advice to forget about spoilers i got exposed to?
>>695590032Yes that scene needed a Marvel quip of Shadow going uuuuuh seriously? Sincerity is so cringe lil bro
>>695593338>OH LAWDY, I GOTS SPOILED THAT MARIA IS IN SHADOW'S MOVIE!Drink paint thinner
>>695593338What if it's better seen than known?
You guys think it’s a bold choice to have shadow stomp sonic in this film?
>>695593136More
>>695593547I'm talking about the leaks dummy. >>695593694Perhaps, but even then you only got one shot at a first impression and my first impressions with those scenes have been ruined. And they're some pretty big scenes too.
>>695593939Chadow needs to assert his dominance over Sonic
>>695594079When the general public thinks shadow, they’ll remember him winning.Sonic 3 was a shadow psyop by Jeff fowler 20 years in the making
This song is so fucking good. I don't care what any of you say. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaTa-wJIWZ0
>>695594690The game's soundtrack is A+++
>>695575356Sonic, as a character, succeeds at being cool without trying. Shadow, however, was created to try and be cooler - he's brooding, an anti-hero, sometimes an antagonist, and hyped up as being a rival despite the creation of his character metaphorically trailing behind Sonic every step of the way. Everything about Shadow - appropriate to his name - is done in the shadow of Sonic himself. Sonic runs fast, has a good time, does what he likes, and is simply a cool dude, whereas Shadow - appropriate to his backstory - was engineered to be the coolest thing ever. Same as whenever the two face off, Shadow always falls short. When Shadow has a gun or a motorcycle and uses his jet boots and broods in front of other characters, both he and his writers try to convince you that he's some badass, whereas Sonic blitzes through a desert at the speed of sound, and in the same way as how he reaches those speeds, he's effortlessly cool. tl;dr: Shadow's writers try and fail to make him compete with Sonic, but Sonic simply IS cool, and his competition just can't compete.
>>695577043>As yes a character designed to have reserved, cool-headed mannerisms, speak specifically with respectful, earnest language, who prides himself on his power, whose trauma involves his best friend being SHOT,>THAT is the character to slap with some raunchy loud guns and motorbikes.>You need to take a step back and see that you're quicker to retroactively rationalize bad writing decisions than you are to try and understand Shadow's character and the intent behind how he was written in his debut game.>At the end of the day it's just very disappointing to see a complex, dark character who was made to carry himself in a cool, reserved, 'pure' way, now being forever associated with the most generic, shallow, dull, and childish idea of edginess.Add this current revisionism with how awful the new trailer looked, doubling down on the bad comedy bits in a movie they want us to take seriously as the "dark" and "edgy" third chapter and we can see that Shadow as a character will never recover.
>>695577043>>695596339Ugh, I know. Where's the realistic depiction of a panic attack?! Shadow should cry and discuss his feelings when he sees guns. Really, these people have ZERO media literacy, unlike us enlightened Sonic fans.
>>695596482Puss in boots 2 ruined animation because of this
>ALL HAIL SHADOWwhat did they mean by this
>>695592145Good job making the bitter fucks mad. Like what you want bro.
>>695596482So is pretending the third movie is good your "own the chuds" move now, tranny?>these people have ZERO media literacy, unlike us enlightened Sonic fans.I think you are actually a furfag into Sonic media but simply lacking any taste. Media literacy wouldn't give you that either.
>>695596339>you can't have lighthearted parts, the mood must be brooding and angst all throughout the film.
>>695596616>Puss in boots 2 ruined animation because of thisKek. I hope your joking though, great movie unlike Sonic 3 trash.
Between generations and the movie Shadow is carrying the series at the moment. Sega has to be thinking "wait why did we bench this guy for the past 18 years?"
>>695596729>You know the wedding scene people hated, bring it all back and make it central to the plot this time!You are dumber than these writers.
>>695596895Shut up you fucking retard
>>695596724>pretending the [unreleased] movie is goodYeah, sorry, you're jewish. Sorryyyyyy but doublethink just isn't fun to deal with :/
>>695596817>Unlike Sonic 3 trashAIIIEE HE’S TELLING THE TRUTH, MY MEDIOCRE FANSERVICE SLOP IS EXPOSED I’M HAVING A PUSS IN BOOTS PANIC ATTACK PERRITO SAVE ME
>>695596956"Shut up!" is not an argument.
>>695596956I accept your concession, you are too stupid not to get immediately angry and throw a tantrum because someone made fun of your Shadow movie..
>>695597063>MY MEDIOCRE FANSERVICE SLOP IS EXPOSEDYes, it was pretty easy actually.
>>695575356based but also how is Gerald still alive
>Shadowfags having a melty because the trailer was so bad.Sugoi.
>>695575356Literally the opposite of what you said is true. God, you're a whiny bitch, What a loser faggot you are.
>>695576095Shadow using guns wasn't the problem with Shadow the hedgehog The problem is >>695576361
>>695575356Didn't read. Shadow the Hedgehog? My FUCKING hero.
>>695597318>oh god i finally feel like a real woman causing all this conflict!
>>695597437Sonic 2 will remain the peak of this movie franchise, as bad as it was, whether you like it or not, HAPA slurper.
>>695596616>>695597063Why did this scene trigger you faggots so much?
>>695584139And you dare call people autistic?
>>695597512Yeah but you'll still be trans.
>>695578425>>695584139>>695577043He uses any tool that's available to him, that's why he also doesn't turn down all the GUN special forces vehicles and tech despite the fact he doesn't really need it.People focus on the guns too much but forget that he looked way sillier when he got in a monster truck and was riding around everywhere. If you want to criticize something about Shadow's game/06 personality before he got retooled, ask yourselves why he had to drive a monster truck around.
>>695577043>>695596339Shadow should have been a one off character in SA2, the only game he worked in.
>>695597247Jokes aside it’s clear to anyone that’s these films are mediocre because fundamentally sonic belongs in animated setting like those shadow shorts we recently got, making them real is just stupid.Something like puss in boots 2 or classic Disney is pure soul bleeding out the screen while the Mario movie and sonic is just pointing at the screen looking for references in place of a real plot.It’s done if people want to enjoy them as mindless entertainment but people claiming these films are peak or whatever gay shit need to watch more films because there’s really a lot of unnecessary cringe in these films
>>695575356This post has the same energy as some faggot on twitter complaining about fanservice in anime
>>695589528this shit got memed on harder than shadow when it leaked
>Chao Garden is a Japanese mascot shop.Oh you silly Paramount writers! PEAK KINO SOVL INCOMING.
>>695597859You joke, but Sonicfags are retarded enough to actually think this.
>>695597736>He uses any tool that's available to him, that's why he also doesn't turn down all the GUN special forces vehicles and tech despite the fact he doesn't really need it.Uhh we're talking about the character whose first action on-screen was to say "Witness my power" and take down a military mech. Who then proceeded to lay wreck to a bunch of "random GUN robots" in Radical Highway in a show of that power.So... yes? There's no reason why he'd use guns. He'd consider using guns to be an insult and lowering himself down to the level of his enemies. You're trying to post hoc justify how badly written he was in his debut game by using other bad writing and bad games.
>>695577097Arrest sperg.>Hashes down
>>695597801>the Mario movie and sonic is just pointing at the screen looking for references in place of a real plot.This. People even say that they can overlook the plot being bad if they shove in enough references, as this thread demonstrates.
>>695597801>making them real is just stupid.This is the only way they got made, most likely. Animated films don't get investor money. Animated films don't get hollywood star powerIf you ever ask yourself "Why does Netflix suck so fucking much?" Just remember that you can get almost anything greenlit in hollywood as long as you can promise an acting role to some rich jew's proteges and business to their film company. You can't do that with animation. And yes that seems petty, and no it doesn't make sense, but the whole purpose of most film is to pad pockets and scratch backs. Making believable products comes later. That's why sonic almost looked like he did in the first drafts of the first movie and nobody thought twice about it (They were fine with it flopping as long as they got a fistful of the investor dough)
>>6955753562000s gayme journo jews and SomethingAwful troons lost. You lost.
>>695598087Kamala lost troon.
>>695598161Broken culture war bot. Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for chocolate chip cookies.
>>695597318>high amount of likesWhatever you want to tell yourself.
>>695597743Bullshit, what about Generations?
>>695585224Failed normalfag post.
>>695597995Shadow Generations even makes a point to say that Shadow wouldn't use his DOOM powers against Sonic to win the rival fight.Yes, the game these retards champion as Sinic's return to form is actually reinforcing the idea that Shadow hates to win using anything but his own latent powers. >The movieverse is different.Yes, so stop pretending that aspects of the old games haven't been soft retconned out of existence to some degree.
>>695597318> the trailer was so bad.Speak for yourself, that trailer was kino and exactly what Shadowfags have wanted for years. It's getting downvoted by millennials who are still mad about Shadow and 06 because a let's player told them to be angry.
>>695598248>Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for chocolate chip cookies.You sound like the AI writing the "humor" in Sonic 3.
Reminder that Naka and team saw Jak II/Ratchet and Clank and wanted to match/surpass them. They knew Sonic couldn’t fill that role, so Shadow was chosen to try instead. This was also the last time they tried to have a game fueled by a rivalry with competing studios.
>>695575667>hyper realistic gunLooks like some space age gun in OPs pic
>>695598594>Jak II/Ratchet and ClankSo Shadow truly is a relic of the past then.
>>695596147Shadow was a result of early 2000s culture just like Sonic is a result of 90s culture.
>>695598671It is probably a tazer.
>>695597995>>695598480>So... yes? There's no reason why he'd use guns. He'd consider using guns to be an insult and lowering himself down to the level of his enemies. You're trying to post hoc justify how badly written he was in his debut game by using other bad writing and bad games.That's not "bad writing", that's literally his character. He works for GUN and he uses GUN's tools. He's never said "I'm not going to use this hang glider you gave me and instead fly under my own power" despite the fact he's done that in multiple games.It's more that Shadow's morality is flexible like any 'evil' rival would have. You can keep saying "He wouldn't", but.. we've seen him do it.
>>695598419He's worked fine in most games where he played a significant role. Hell Shadow worked better in 06 than Sonic.
>>695598480Actually no, Shadow was quick to tell black doom that he'd use his doom powers against him, and was all "Ill overcome every obstacle with this power!" in radical highway, so he seems like a pragmatist who uses what's available. However he does have an ego and respect for Sonic and seeing how his duel with him was inconsequential, he preferred to fight on even footing
>>695598539>Something has to be made deliberately bad to be fun, you can't have fun while watching an actually good movie.When did standards slip this low? Do we blame tiktok brainrot or what?
I always found it funny how Sonic was always absurd but guns for Shadow was a step too far.They have seven shiny rocks that violate the laws of physics by being sources of unlimited energy, for fuck's sake.
>>695598756You're using bad writing that mischaracterizes Shadow after the fact, even further beyond his original debut game. What in SA2 Shadow's character suggest that he'd be open to using guns and motorbikes when everything about his character suggests the exact opposite?
>>695599031In LOTR they could suddenly bust out handguns and shoot orcs too. It is all absurd fantasy, right retard?
>>695598953>When did standards slip this low? You're in a fucking Sonic thread. What do you mean 'Slip this low'? Are you really, truly unaware of who is still a sonic fan after 24 years of abject Sonic Team failure? We want the silly, we want the stupid. This is what people like about this ridiculous franchise.
>>695599076>I KNOW SHADOW BETTER>the game said>NO MESperg.
>>695599031>If you can accept swords and sorcery, then what's so unbelievable about Frodo driving a Ford Focus?
>>695599187Makes more sense then not flying those eagles there
>>695575356I dunno about you, but 12 year old me in 2005 was having a blast, and I was guy who watched the three American Sonic shows as well as the OVA, before being introduced to Gamenic.
>>695599137Ah, so you are another>Sonic was never goodretard then.
Someone found more Shadria confirmation: the Bishie Sparkle.
>>695599129If guns had been established in the Hobbit like they were in Adventure 1 and 2, sure.>>695599187>>695599129Samefagging on full force tonight.
>>695599076So, none of that counts because you don't like those games? I'm being serious. SA2 Shadow makes sense for SA2 when he has the world's biggest chip on his shoulder about being a faker. It doesn't make sense for a Shadow who got over himself and his inferiority complex toward Sonic.
>>695599076When he used jet boots and a massive satellite cannon
Bishie Sparkle is present going all the way back to Sonic X surprisingly.
>>695599187You say this but Shadow does the equivalent of driving a big ford truck in his games.
>>695599302>blud doesn't even know what samefagging is Sad
>>695599283>Ah, so you are anotherAh so you're another projector. Keep it to yourself, retard. No one was asking for your opinion, you were asking why we liked the silly, stupid Sonic. You're just blind to the reality that Sonic has been silly and stupid longer than you've been alive. Even the good games are silly on their face. It's just dopes who insist that because the games were good, they couldn't have been silly. In the same games where Sonic gets in a bumper car and rides around picking up rings.
>>695592198I remember reading the reviews for Shadow Generations and there were so many top reviews mentioning Sonic and Latinas
Shadow is just like Sonic except he can say the word.
>>695593338Take an edible before you watch the movie
>>695599629Chaos Control?
So which new character will appear at the end of this movie?
>>695599569tl;dr you're gayThanks for playing.
>>695599747Silver.Played by Johnny Yong Bosch
>>695597859Unrelated but >Chao Garden referenceYou know they have to bring it back now
>>695575356And not the 2006 game. Got it.
>>695599747Likely an antagonist since Jim Carrey is done and they need someone to replace Eggman.
>>695596663Surprised at the people who got angry at my post.>>695596831Kek>>695599379Bishie Sparkle is present even in the current manga.
>>695598717What is Silver the result of?
>>695599780>tl;dr you're gayAs I've saidYou're in a Sonic thread.
>>695599821The dream.
>>695599747Metal and or SilverCombine CD and 06 for one time travel story that works in elements of modern and classic
>>695599910Late 00's anime protagonists
>>695575356we live in the timeline now where sonicfags unironically deluded themselves into the games being good again thanks to a shitty open world slop and a remake of a 10 year old game, keep it up
>>695599910Trunks
>>695600078Don't careI'm having fun
>>695599895
It's so weird seeing Shadow haters double down even as the whole narrative they constructed about everyone hating Shadow comes tumbling down.
>>695575356>Reminder that Shadow with a gun was always fucking based and hardcore as fuck. No amount of boomer revisionism will make this uncool. It's always been amazing and a big reason Sonic became unironic kino.
>>695600280
>>695575963>latina meme referenced in that twitter takeout videopredictable>that one bastard that asked about babysitting cream
What possesses someone to hate Shadow so much they'd seethe for hours on /v/ over him?
>>695592392This. 06 and Mephiles “creepypasta OC” the dark did far more damage than Shadow The Hedgehog over did. Mephiles is the reason why people began to hate the “edge” in sonic and started to view an otherwise ordinary shounen rival like Shadow as overly edgy.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UN-Gu5Qg3aVZf-oKvfbwwc1sQG3YhuWgdaRxIrblaKI/edit?usp=sharing
>>695600429same phenomenon for anyone seething about sonic related on this place: autism
>>695600429It's what happens when you grow up on youtubers who feed you all your opinions
I love 00s edge.Gimmie shit like>Teen Titans>TMNT 2003>X Men Evolution>Jak 2>Twilight Princess>Shadow the Hedgehog>Mario Strikers>Pokemon Colosseum
>>695600245you won't be once mufasa crushes Sonic
ITT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vI5M9GRCKo
>>695600724Based and EDGEpill
>>695600678Got any examples?
>>695600768>>695600280>>695599895What is it with human women and 3 foot tall hedgehogs?
>>695600668You don’t even know what autism actually is.
>>695600429>NOOOOOOO>YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE THIS IT'S "CRINGE">STOP HAVING FUNI pity the faggots who can no longer know such joys.
>>695599316What in Shadow's SA2 characterization would make him want to use guns? You haven't answered that question. Everything from that game suggests the opposite. He can literally run faster than any vehicle in the world, and he can shoot projectiles of his own. Him having guns and motorcycles is fucking stupid.>>695599334We're really gonna act like a military firearm and a giant space laser are thematically equivalent (especially when the latter is the creation of Gerald who he has great respect for and is driving him toward vengeance). That's an awful comparison.
>>695598953Blame the capitalist system and only caring about profits.
>>695600983The funny part is that Sonic's transition to 3D with Sonic Adventure wasn't even THAT terrible but somewhere along the way SEGA began to forget what physics are and other things happened.
>>695575356Still looks cool 2 me
>>695600983>Seething this much over one guy being correct and saying what everyone else was thinking at the time.
>>695581096Ngl if they made shadow then they would be aware of other animal people, she could have been working behind the scenes and shit with Topaz or some shit. They're just afraid of boobs
>>695601107>What in Shadow's SA2 characterization would make him want to use guns? He's not the same character as he was in SA2. At the end of SA2, he put aside his seething inferiority complex over Sonic and chose to seek a new path in his life.That's called a 'character arc'. Shadow is a standout in SA2 because he's the one character who has one.
Y'all ever been to one of those Sonic concerts? The best part was that everyone was in kumbaya even about games they didn't like.>Fuck yeah! SONIC FORCES!>LETS GO SONIC 06!>SONIC R OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDD!>AAAAAAAAAAA KNIGHT OF THE WIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>695600969there's more than one type of autism, there's autism for being a sonicfag, but there's also autism for the need to shit on everything, especially sonic-related
>>695582479Sega did exactly did this and the games became even shittier and soulless. Lol.
>>695600889sure https://youtu.be/4xrS5NEBKjUand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYDsz1NFBJwtl;dr: If I'm bad at a game, or I play a bad game, that means the entire series is bad. despite the fact both of which are skill issues.
>>695580491okay but who would she voiced by. I'm thinking scarlett johansson
>>695601297Yes, it was kino. I'm going back to see it again in January.I wonder if they'll add some footage from Shadow Generations or the movie after it drops.
>>695599747It's unfortunately gonna be Silver but if they were based they would add Metal Sonic and Amy, then just mix heroes and adventure 1 to make a giant metal chaos overlord or something
>>695601259>one guy being correct Has funny sequel man been correct about anything, ever?
>>695601297Literally everyone knows that even bad Sonic games have good soundtracks. A bad OST is the only way to truly stake a Sonic game's heart.
>>695601297Yes, this is what people like about Sonic.They embrace the bad because it's funny and embrace the good because they like it.It's fantastic, I wish other game series could get that positivity.
>>695601627I'm honestly kind of surprised Shadow got adapted before Metal. Jimbotnik already has basically everything he needs to build him.
>>695601263Shadow was hidden away though. Rouge really can't fill the same role because of the world. I bet most people wouldn't actually care if her designed was straight from.the games. We've had plenty of furry characters dress provocatively in kids media. Again I believe it came down to her not working in the world they set up. It would also take away focus from the film if they had to explain her entire backstory and why she's on earth.
>>695601791in a way metal gear had that, if only it had the same kind of obsessive fuckers that could shit out fangames or reverse engineer the games as sonic fags
>>695575356>A Sonic thing is cringe and autisticStop the fucking presses.
>>695602015They really don't have to explain much about Rouge when she's meant to be mysterious. Just make her a treasure hunter looking for jewels that ends up on earth and finds the chaos emeralds or the master emerald. GUN finds her and she joins, gets put on a mission to find Eggman post movie 3 after he disappears or some new threat. Gets rivalry with Knuckles and ends up falling for him ... she fits fine
>>695589863hahaYES
>>695601946I have a feeling that one badnik that was in the animated short will turn into metal somehow despite being turned good at the end of it. I wonder if it'll even show up in 3 or if that was non-canon
>>695600724Based taste
>>695600724>>695602697>Remembers Cole vs Alex was a Death Battle last yearBrought out the edgy teen in me again. I miss the good old days.
>>695602858>>695602697inFAMOUS 2 stands as one of my all time favorite games, even if it's less edgy than the first.But yeah, that DB song feeling like a Linkin Park song was perfection.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjTYUPAPUaY
>>695590032trying a bit too hard
>>695600983I saw one say Sonic Adventures was his favorite game as a kid yet he somehow gets caught completely off guard by Gamma's Sonic training dummies
>>695576361This.OP fell for the "sonic friends BAD" propaganda.
>>695603215I wish Sonic Team didn't also fall for it
>>695603215Sonic friends bad
A remaster of Sins of a Divine Mother's album (The ones behind the cut song "Broken" in Shadow the Hedgehog) is coming soon.
>>695601296Retard, he didn't even know that Sonic existed until after radical highway. Which disproves your point.
>>695575356I AM ALL I AM ALL I AMMMMM
>>695603334idk what this has to do with anything. I think you maybe quoted the wrong post? Either ways your point that he's not going to use guns and motorcycles because he didn't use them in the first game he was in when he uses them in every other game he's in is really, really stupid.
>>695589782mario party 2
If the next move is Silver/Metal, are the female characters ever going to be introduced? There's a genuinely higher chance of us getting Elise before Amy/Rouge.
>>695597995>Uhh we're talking about the character whose first action on-screen was to say "Witness my power" and take down a military mech.Specifically showing off his power to Eggman so Eggman would know he's the real deal and come to the ARK.>Who then proceeded to lay wreck to a bunch of "random GUN robots" in Radical Highway in a show of that power.It's never stated he did this "in a show of" his power. Shadow says he'll "take revenge" and destroys GUN robots on his way to his actual objective, which was to obtain the green chaos emerald.I don't know where you're getting this characterization of Shadow as a chuuni weirdo who likes to constantly show off his powers to everyone. He'll show off sometimes to look cool, but most of the time he's very straightforward and practical in achieving his goals. If a gun happens to be lying around and he can use it to advance one of said goals, he will.
>>695603886>are the female characters ever going to be introduced? Hope notRogue or Blaze are the only two acceptable ones.
>>695603653Because he doesn't have any inclination to use them in SA2 which was the only game he was well written in. Do you have any arguments for him using them during SA2?
>>695580491>>695580541>>695581096>>695581579>>695581805>>695601619She used to be thicker...
>>695575356>Reminder that Shadow with a gun was always fucking cringefuck off retard
>>695603987>Because he doesn't have any inclination to use them in SA2 which was the only game he was well written in. So, again, none of that counts because you don't like those games? I'm being serious. SA2 Shadow makes sense for SA2 when he has the world's biggest chip on his shoulder about being a faker. It doesn't make sense for a Shadow who got over himself and his inferiority complex toward Sonic. I don't even think he knew what guns or motorcycles were at that point, anyway. It's not like GUN was giving him resources.
>>695603936Retard. He's very prideful in his own abilities; constantly calling himself the ultimate life form. What reason would he have to lower himself to use guns when his abilities are more than capable of achieving those goals?
>>695604118>So, again, none of that counts because you don't like those games?No because shadow is written uncharacteristically. Actually address my point or fuck off. He literally has no reasons to use guns.
>they finally introduce Amy>she's a girlboss stronger than SonicThis is going to happen, 100%.
What did he mean by this
>Cope retard. Even as a kid, this made no sense. Shadow has no reason to use a gun or ride a motorcycle
Outside of rule of cool, why do they have Shadow ride a bike when he's faster on foot?
>>695604367>No because shadow is written uncharacteristically. According to who, you? You're right that if SA2 shadow used guns and rode motorcycles, it would come off as weird because that was his first exposure to the human world and human tools. Every game after that, he has no reason not to use those tools. My point is that you're stuck in SA2 like it's the only game he's in. The other games have valid reasons for him to use those things, you just don't like them. Which isn't a good reason to just discard them.
>>695589863chat, is it reel?
>>695604630Because he has no reason to use them. It's not in character because he's too prideful of his own abilities.
>>695592616sexo
>>695589863live and learn, bros
>>695575356Reminder that Shadow with a gun was always fucking awesome and badass as fuck. No amount of zoomer revisionism will make this lame. It's always been amazing and a big reason Sonic became a mainstay.
>>695604554Well, in the games the motorcycle and car served two purposes:1. to travel over slime that would hurt shadow2. as a battering ram to run into things and no-sell them, such as alien spawn, without fearWe might get Shadow attempting to run over civilians in the movie...?
>>695604554You can shoot your gun on a bike and ramp off cool ramps for bonusesalso it gets its own health bar. really him using some kind of vehicle makes way more sense than just walking around on foot, the benefits outweigh the downsides.Even Superman owns a car.
>>695575356The brillance of Sonic is how unapologetically goofy it is. Gerald Robotnik set out to make the ultimate lifeform and its a weirdly anthropomorphic hedgehog. Think about that for more than 2 seconds and you'll have a stroke. So yeah throw that mother fucker on a motorcycle despite him wearing rocket shoes and being able to teleport and strap that foo up cause nothing makes sense and everything has the ability to be "Hell yeah bruthur!"
>>695604471He knows how women should be treated.
>>695604963>>695604950But brothers, this looks so much cooler
>>695575804>a game that did an insurmountable amount of damage to the sonic brand as a wholeShadow the Hedgehog would have been considered the best sonic game of its generation if it weren't for the retarded objective system, read any serious review and they'll say "just download a save with expert mode" because playing it like a regular sonic is actually fun
>>695603993They put Rouge on Ozempic
>>695604732>Because he has no reason to use them. Why do you keep saying that? He has plenty of reasons to use them like >>695604950
>>695605039
>>695589863Ah fuck I'm going to need to go to cafe to talk about this movie.
>>695604732Shadow is probably like this.
>>695605073Reloaded makes it fun.
>>695605129>They made sonic track her pantsuDang at least there's one thing he likes about Amy
>>695605057I always wonder if Shadow is canonically as fast as Sonic or if he relies solely on those booster shoes
>>695604950My guess is Shadow is going to try to cause as much carnage as possible, and Sonic will try to minimize it.For instance, Shadow trying to run over someone, and Sonic moving in to move the person out of harm's way.
>>695605208He's faster with Chaos Control but that's a cop-out.
>>695602462Why is she staying on earth? Why is she working with Gun if she just wants Jewels? How did she end up on earth when you need to boom tube there? I'm just saying it's better to use a human for this one movie because this movie really doesn't need to waste time explaining Rouge's backstory. It's would kill the pace and add bloat. Also if she worked for gun in the movies she'd have to hide her appearance. Which goes against her femme fatale characterization. She'd basically just be a super spy that has to stay hidden and can't be all sexy on mission. Nobody wants Rouge covered up. Again, personally I don't think she works with the setting the movies have established. Atleast right now. They really could have introduced her in the Knuckles show but I doubt they looked forward that much when making that show.
>>695599747A man can dream
>>695605113That's retarded. His powers more than cover all those. He can jump way farther than any slime pit. He's strong enough to go through steel walls with his bare hands. You're seriously stretching to justify how stupid the additions are which were nothing but pandering to focus groups.
>>695605208We've only ever seen him run briefly in that recent Shadow generations animation before teleporting. He's pretty quick, but who knows? Sonic and Shadow will have to take their shoes off and have a foot race
>>695604490He has already lost!
>>695605342> His powers more than cover all those. It's pretty objective that if Shadow runs face-first into a doomspawn, he takes damage.If he runs them over with his car, he doesn't take damage.Seems cut and dry to me. >He's strong enough to go through steel walls with his bare hands. You're seriously stretching to justify how stupid the additions are which were nothing but pandering to focus groups.No, it's called 'Gameplay'. He took the same kind of damage in SA2 by just hitting robots and boxes (that the car and motorcycle run over like confetti)
>>695605304
>>695605386anon, that's not their shoesthat's their feetthey never, ever come off.
>>695605208outside of super, sonic should have a faster top speed but shadow can teleport and has chaos control. They are relative regardless
>>695605579BUT I THOUGHT...!?
I have never had an issue with Shadow holding a gun. He's nothing if not pragmatic.
>>695605504I'm talking lore reasons, not gameplay reasons. Retard. What lore reasons does he have to use them?
>>695599747
>>695605676>I'm talking lore reasons, not gameplay reasons. Are we just going to pretend this is not a video game, now? You already said you don't believe in any game made past SA2 Shadow, now you're saying you don't even believe in SA2 unless it's in a cutscene.
>>695605579>>695605612he's lying to you!!!
>>695605676Just fuck off already you fucking retard. You're not attempting to argue in good faith. You've failed to persuade us why he would limit his options like this.
>>695605815>>695605676But I'll give one good lore reason: He gladly accepts and appreciates the help of all his allies even if he doesn't outright say he does. He's doing it for the team, not just himself. That's part of his character. If GUN gives him a plane he can jump on top of and glide on, why not use it? He does appreciate their help regardless if he says he does or not.
>>695575356Aren't he and sonic faster than bullets?
>>695605968Shadow is a big fan of covering fire
>>695605820I wish they took the opportunity to redesign Knuckles to wear sandals in Adventure, it would make more sense for him than the lego sneakers.
>>695605828Because he's prideful in his abilities.
Has there ever been a better sonic song than GUN Fortress?
>>695605968I don't think Shadow is very naturally fast. He gets alot of speed from his shoes and chaos powers. Knuckles and Tails might actually be naturally faster than Shadow.
>>695606186Lava Shelter. Cosmic Fall.
>>695600724I love unapologetic edge. Alarak is beat Starcraft character.
>>695605507https://youtu.be/S3xXtgugBrk?si=qO3X18vcsJTn7IlQ&t=472
>>695605968If he's able to react to and dodge Sonic, he's gotta be naturally fast, no?
>>695600724I'm throwing in the GARcher
Whos got the image explaining that Shadow and Maria are based off of a romance novel?
>>695606178He is, but it's not like he's going to turn down a cool motorcycle. That's 100% in line with his characterization
>>695606252The sexual tension between these two is insane
>>695606252>
>>695606252https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA6SRLzgrqA
>>695606252>>695606382Blaze sex when?>in b4 MY OWN CLONEYes.
>>695605968Yes, but other things in the Sonic universe are not.Trying to shoot Sonic in the Sonic and Diablon fight has about a 99% chance he'll dodge it
>>695606186>>695606240>GUN Fortress >Final Chase>Undefeatable>Stardust Speedway>Crisis CityAre my top 5
Why wouldn't they put Black Comet in Shadow Generations if not for shovelware?I can't wrap my head around it.
>>695606359Not in SA2.
>>695606628Yeah, Shadow is in more games than SA2. I know.
>>695575356Unfortunately those 6-y/o autists and tween fanfic writers who grew up in early 2000's Sonic era are adults now, in an era where Internet autism has reached the point of normalizing themselves wearing dresses and fursuits. All of which is also reaching out to more 6-y/o autists than ever before. It makes perfect sense why cringe is back to being 'cool' now.
>>695606617Please be DLC
>>695606189Shadow was retconned to wear limiters that hold back his true strength so he doesn't burn himself up. He'll move faster than Sonic, and be stronger than Knuckles and Omega, but if he doesn't finish off his opponent, he's screwed.
>>695605208https://youtu.be/1KhKd1bj7G0?feature=sharedCurrent canon seems to be he needs the shoes but can use his powers more then Sonic can use his wind powers.
>>695606721He gets stronger over time so my head canon is that Gerald started him off at peak power and the limiters weaken as he gets used to it. By the time Silver is dead, he'll consistently be at Super form power wise.
>in an era where Internet autism has reached the point of normalizing themselves wearing dresses and fursuits. All of which is also reaching out to more 6-y/o autists than ever before. It makes perfect sense why cringe is back to being 'cool' now.
>>695606189Shadow naturally secretes the same kind of energy the chaos Emeralds make, but as a result his physiology is unstable.So he gimps himself with his inhibitor rings and vents his energy through his jets in his shoes instead of running, which he is apparently quite proficient at.
>>695606628Didn't he have no problem using any of Eggman's robots or machines? He was fine with hijacking his super secret weapon.Clearly he's not against using any tool that benefits him.
>>695606693Every game after has mischaracterized him.
>>695575356Sonic didn’t become a laughing stock because Shadow’s game was bad or edgy.Sonic became a laughing stock because Shadow’s game was the best Sonic game that came out for a freaking seven year period. Five if you are feeling generous about Unleashed.Despite the flaws, neutral runs are reasonably enjoyable and the soundtrack is excellent. Go play Heroes or Secret Rings for a dose of perspective.
>>695607069Nah I'm gonna play SA2 again.
>>695607057No they haven't, Shadow changed and grew after SA2. That's his character arc in the game that he doesn't harbor the hatred he once had.
>>695606358Fuck what was that called?
>>695575804I swear to god I remember everyone loving the Shadow game when it came out.
Pretty sure Sonic and Princess Elise are also based off a romance novel. Only when Sonic does it ,it's creepy
>>695607057The only game that mischaracterized Shadow is Generations 1 and maybe Forces.Aside from those, Shadow has a had a consistent character progression from SA2 to 06
>>695605968rather than just being fast it makes more sense if you think of them as being able to alter time
>>695607234They didShadow the Hedgehog sold great and outperformed pretty much every subsequent sonic game for a while. The hatred of it are basedtubers like these >>695601531 pushing the chips on their shoulders Sonic 06 was compared unfavorably in initial reviews BECAUSE it didn't have Shadow's mechanics or storyline branches and just embraced an empty open world.
>>695607325>>>695607015>Shadow wasn't mischaracterized in 05 Yeah sure; retard. He was blatantly mischaracterized.
>>695605968Sci-fi tech and weapons need not obey the laws of physics just like FTL hedgehogs.
>>695607406For people who are upset about Shadow's memories in Hereos and the Hedgehog, you need to remember we've never actually had the true shadow since Gerald planted false memories into him for SA2
It based and hype
when will we get a new Sonic VA I'm tired of Roger
>>695607406How so? Sonic 06 is an extension of Sonic Heroes, because he joined Team Dark. Your only argument seems to be "I don't like where they took his character so it doesn't count" which is pretty autistic.
>>695575356Hes black. So of course he has an unlicensed firearm...>Fuq Sonic gon do?
>>695607406False. Play the Dark Route again.The Dark Route is Shadow remembering everything wrong. He was only remembering Gerald's reprogramming and that he tried to destroy the world. Shadow only remembers everything in Hero Route. And remember that Final Haunt (Hero) is the Canon Route ending. Unclear about the rest of the route.
>>695607669>Unclear about the rest of the route.I saw this video a while back.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSbO_D8hsCw&lc=UgzsTI5JHZ1iYPntoi54AaABAgtl;dw: Dark, Hero, Hero, Hero, Hero, Hero.
>>695607660Don't forget collecting all those watermelons.
>>695607669People forget that Shadow's memories only return if you do Space Gadget Hero
>>695607406While, he's certainly more aggressive when Iizuka did Shadow's game, he's not as try hard as the English Translation made him out to be.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_1oJn-h5Y
>>695606358>>695607195I think it was "Please Save My Earth", and it was a manga.
>>695607815>vgcatsgod I'm old
>>695607180No, he went from being multiple different characters because Sega didn't know what to do with him after SA2.
>>695599895Good lord look at that fat ass mmmm
>>695600016Can metal work without an Eggman?
>>695607527>>695607669>>695607527Black Doom clearly wasn't a thing when SA2 was made and it doesn't line up with everything else in the game.
>MARIA
>>695605968Aren't bullets faster if you shoot them while going fast?
>>695608136>Black Doom clearly wasn't a thing when SA2 was made True.>it doesn't line up with everything else in the game.I disagree with this. I think trying to write Gerald as a heroic figure who was scorned by fate and went mad, turning his tools of saving the world into damning it was a pretty cool retcon
People keep saying they hear His World in the new trailer but I can't hear it.
>>695589528That's just Megaman.
>>695608293>that one youtube dub made by 15 year olds that made Shadow's motivation for destroying the world because Maria fucked the biolizard when it was smaller.autism is a powerful drug
Reminder that Fowler is scared of bat tits
Different writers plus Japanese vs English stuff turned Shadow into a mess for a while. English Shadow would probably say Ore to sound tough instead of being Pure like Maekawa envisioned and using Boku.
Cast him.
>>695608415Just state the obvious. They turned him into a hood nigga in the west...
>>695608595More like Edgy White Boy who listens to Nu Metal bordering on School Shooter.
>>695608359Shadow Gen actually has a picture of Maria with a tiny pre-mutation Biolizard (which was really a rough-skinned salamander, not a lizard).
>>695605208He's been referenced has having speed equal to Sonic several times. Most recently Omega said Shadow and Sonic are equal in speed and power.
>>695606189In most cases his rocket shoes don't propel him forward but just allow him to slightly hover above the ground.
>>695599076He could have stolen all the emeralds from Prison Island, but he let Eggman and Rouge do the work. While he set explosives to blow the island up. He didn't just go and level Prison Island with his bare hands.
Anyone watch that Project Shadow fan film? Shadow seems pretty innocent times before GUN ruins everything.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BIB865_JioAlso doing this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXB7XEZlnnM>>695608926It kinda varies but even Shadow's own game manual refers to Sonic as the world's fastest hedgehog. In 06, even outside Mach Speed stages, Sonic is faster than Shadow. There was one time Shadow moves faster than Sonic, and that's Sonic Battle due to his Air Shoes.
>>695607264What novel? I think people find the relationship between Sonic and Elise less compelling than the one between Shadow and Maria.
>>695589528people wanted to fuck the rabbids
>>695608926>>695609154For me...>Sonic: Faster than Shadow. Weaker than Shadow and Knuckles.>Knuckles: Stronger than Shadow. Slower than both Sonic and Shadow.>Shadow: Stronger than Sonic, and faster than Knuckles. More Balanced. Can become broken with his limiters removed but it's too risky.
>>695608136Then what the fuck was the Eclipse cannon really for? Just for Eggman to blow up the moon and threaten the Earth with? So why not make Gerald's plan blowing up the Earth with the Eclipse Cannon instead of just crashing the entire Ark into Earth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZBcAaI9eZIWhat did shadow mean by this
>>695583912Even if that was a good Idea, almost no sonic game would work with ranged attacks because it has to be played on a controller. It would have to be more like an action game with a faster character and some lock-on shit.
If guns exist in the Sonic universe which they do there's no reason for Shadow not to use one
>>695609482>So why not make Gerald's plan blowing up the Earth with the Eclipse Cannon instead of just crashing the entire Ark into Earth?That was his plan, crashing it into Earth was a failsafe in case the cannon couldn't fire.
>>695609545Exactly, same with vehicles.
Sonic Advanced 2.>Sonic: Fastest character. Best jump. No Flight, Gliding, or Climbing so he's the Hard Mode.>Cream: Second fastest. Worst flight than Tails. Cheese turns the game into EZ Mode.>Tails: Best flight. Faster than Knuckles.>Knuckles: Slowest character and worst jump. Can Glide and Climb on walls.Don't know about Amy despite unlocking her with 28 Emeralds.
>>695609560Source?
>>695579649The point is whatever was considered gay by older people then is cool to whoever grew up with them, and repeats every gen. If you weren't fatally autistic and raised by buzzwords/memes you'd recognize that blatantly obvious point.
>>695609787Amy is just a Sonic clone in Advance 2
I always liked how futuristic Shadow's design looked despite him being from the past.
>>695599747I say Rouge or especially E-123 Omega would be uber based
>>695610897The cannon attempts to fire before Sonic sabotages it. Why? We didn't see Eggman start the firing sequence.
>>695578239>love for firearmsHe uses them because if a usefull weapon is on the floor, why not pick it up
>>695611173Ah I completely forgot about that.
>>695592803imagine being the GUN soldier who shot her, and then took off her dress and smelled her pee soaked panties and then plunged their dick into her dead anus but for some reason you think she's moaning as you get shit on your dick pumping it in and out as fast as you can and then you take her virginity with your poop stained dick and she moans as you break your hymen so you grab her by the head and as you cum you bash her brains into the dashboard while screaming ALL HAIL SHADOW HEROES RISE AGAIN
>>695611538So it's a completely retarded retcon and on top of all the other shit about Shadow's game.
>>695608518Use hollywood jew magiks to summon an actual demon to voice hom
>>695605153>calicoKino.
>>695575356I agree. I already didn't like the adventure games and heroes when i was a kid but Shadow completely killed the series for me
Nobody can top Chadow the HedgegodThey can only complain about kino like the fact he has motorcycles and guns.
>>695611954could b e me
>>695607234>>695607382People liked it ironically for the memes. You weren't there.
>>695609560No it wasn't, the Eclipse Cannon was bait for some smuck (Eggman) to gather the Chaos Emeralds so that then Gerald's program locks him out to initiate the collision and ensure everyone is fucked and gets to wait in despair knowing it.His recording is explicit for the crash into Earth plan, not using the Eclipse Cannon.>>695611173In the Hero path, Sonic stops it before it fires.In the Dark path, Gerald's program stops it before it fires.
I'm not great at hearing motifs.Is the music played in the second half of the trailer a mix of His World from 06?
>>695614540I was there.It wasn't ironic.There was a period of edge in the 00's that was the last, dying gasp of sincerity from the 90s. Shadow had the benefit of being the most well-done of these trends. Of all of them, he was the least-cringe of the bunch and was considered pretty cool compared to his competition.You're pretending if you claim there wasn't.
>>695615094>It wasn't ironic.It was, Zoomer. You weren't cognizant enough to remember.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ro9XHXl0nU
>>695615094Oh, I forgot all about Loonatics Unleashed.Never watched it because I wasnt interested in Looney Tunes in general but I have only heard bad things sooooooooooooooooo>>695615227Isnt this the review where they said the game was racist?
>>695615227>It wasn't ironic.>It was, Zoomer.I'm older than you are, and you've absorbed this information through youtubers. Sit down and listen to someone who was more than a glimmer in a New York Taxicab driver's eye when Shadow released.
>>695615227>citing X-play as stating how the world was
>>695575356This is true
>>695615286>Isnt this the review where they said the game was racist?That is the review. The fact he would link it is proof of him being a little zoomoid who thinks X-Play wasn't a joke back in the day filled with incorrect information like every trash games journalist today. Even people who were out of touch at the time made fun of X-Play. Citing it is just proof of him not even being a zygote when it on the air.
>>695615227>It was, Zoomer.To who? Not to Sega, they were dead serious. If you watched your video (You didn't) X-Play hated Shadow. They hated Sonic in general. They gave SA2 some miserable score, as well. Saying Sonic wasn't cool and the franchise should have ended before it went to 3D. Basically fuck X-Play, and fuck you for thinking they're a source of how anyone except that Cokehead sessler was like 20 years ago
>>695615289>No counter argument >Irrelevant babbleI'll take that as a concession.
>>695615461not him, but to be honest, I can see why someone could see that review where they said shadow the hedgehog was a racist game and go "no shot these people are NOT taking the piss"It's one of those "not sure if troll or just really stupid" things, like when people argue Peach is really strong because in Mario Party 6 she could outswim a black hole.
>>695615605>>No counter argumentThe counter-argument is that you cited X-Play unironically. I already accepted your concession that you're an underaged tyke who got your opinion on Shadow through youtubers, but that just sealed it. Try not to get banned for being underaged, now.
>>695615605>I accept your concessionI don't.
>>695575667>no reason to use a gunHe enjoys his second amendment rights. You sound like a hysterical woman.
>>695615289>>695615315>>695615461/v/ thought the game was shit and only liked it for the edgy meme. If you think anyone who posted OW THE EDGE.jpg on 4chan genuinely liked the game unironically then you're fucking retarded. You literally weren't there, Zoomers.
>>695615656>not him, but to be honest, I can see why someone could see that review where they said shadow the hedgehog was a racist game and go "no shot these people are NOT taking the piss"At the time; we just understood that X-Play was the worst show for any gaming opinion on TV. We think "not sure if troll or just really stupid" today, but twenty years ago? It was generally common knowledge that they were actually and unironically just that fucking stupid. No one even thought for a second they were being ironic because they were turbo normalfags who turned their nose up at anything that wasn't an FPS.
>>695615829>argument changed from "nobody ever liked the edge" to "okay people liked the edge, but the game was bad"Thank you for conceding.
>>695615829>/v/ thought the game was shit Oh so /v/'s opinion matters now? More proof you're an underage b&
>>695598679Pretty much. Jak II was the biggest influence with going for full grim dark. I still would like to see what the original project was when Sega initially gave the green light for the M rating.
>>695615889Wrong, nigger. See >>695614540>>695615907Just because CoD sold billions =/= a good game. Same with "EVERY SANIC FAN WANTED SHADOW TO HAVE A GUN!" when it was underagedb& begging the devs through letters to give Sonic a gun.
>>695616157>post literally says "People liked it"Not doing yourself favors.
>>695589528Doesn't this just prove that meme sentiment doesn't fucking matter cause this game bombed and Shadow sells.
>>695616197Red herring. You're bad at this.
>>695616376That's not what a red herring is. And it's your own post, too.
>>695616343My understanding is Shadow made enough money to be profitable, but not enough to justify making a side series like they were originally hoping.I also heard 06 made gangbusters, for whatever that's worth. But I guess since that game had budget and time constraints, it is easier to turn a profit.
>>695589528>Colorful>Cartoony>Charming>Light hearted Shadow's game overcompensated too much by adding swearing, Shadowing using of guns and looking like a fucking angry maniac -- it was just trying way too hard and was babies first Postal.
>>695615847I still remember the Halo wank.
>>695616429>That's not what a red herring is.It is. You omitted the "ironically" part of "People liked it".
Shadow if he was a mage. Both use Boku too.
>>695615829Was /v/ even around then?
>>695582479>Sonic is a loner>the same guy who took his best friend on most of his adventures from the genesis to the dreamcastWhat were people smoking back then? I seriously don’t get the massive hateboner for characters other than Sonic these retards used to have.
>>695589528the game flopped so hard
>>695616343that game sold over 10 million copiesthat's almost 3x sonic frontiers
>>695589528Mario Sucks
>>695611954>you break your hymenwait what
>>695575356>sci-fi Toys-R-Us gunBoring. If you're aiming for 2000s cringekino you gotta commit and give him a realistic (pump action) glock.
>>695575356That’s so cool I’m gonna go watch this movie now
>>695575356people who hate themselves really have a lot to say about "cheesy" games like sonic. You can just tell what kind of person they are by their opinion on the 3d sonic games before the wii.
>>695611954Not once did I ever find posts like these funny, even in an ironic sense. Never shocked by them or disgusted, rather just annoyed by the poster thinking they're being SUUUUPER funny for being "SOOOO weird xD" to get a reaction from you. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if their parents smacked them outside the head when they were younger for being retarded little shits. Make me want to join in on their hazing.
>>695579102>grow up with a sega genesis instead of nintendo>eventually get a gamecube, major factor in this decision is sonic adventure 1 and 2>eventually get an xbox 360, major deciding factor is sonic 2006>get a wii and sonic and the secret rings, begin to think sonic games are shovelware>fall for all the youtubers shitting on sonic 06>eventually get sonic forces ironically but enjoy it>watch the first sonic movie in theaters and enjoy it>suddenly you realize in horror that YOU were a sonicfag all along
>>695618564the reason why he pumps all his guns is because they're all pneumatic and shadow is super strong
>>695619091>begin to think sonic games are shovelwarethat didn't make me think sonic games were shovelware, it made me think wii games were shovelwareunleashed didn't really fight that point of view
>>695618986so true sister, yall need to behave and stop posting problematic shitposts!
>>695590032In SA1 Sonic goes on a rant about how Chaos is hurting and needs to believe in love or some shit. Don’t act like Maria is a trailblazer in cringe
>>695599747Infinite
>>695575356>was always fucking cringeworthy and autistic as fuck.It was hilarious same as Shadow killing the president
>>695619791>Shadow killing the presidentThe President survives the shooting and the alternative one where Central City gets lasered by the Ark.
Almost all the oldfags turned away from video games, got married, built a life, became joyless wagecucks. Meanwhile zoomies who unironically love the 2000s "le dark era" are in their 20s aka the peak of their lives, have money to spend for themselves and make up most of the customerbase. Now which one does SEGA pander to? This shouldn't be so hard to figure out.
>>695589863>another entire fucking generation of unashamedly unwashed autistic women wanting to fuck cartoon animals but this time in 3DI hadn't even considered the ramifications of this
>>695575356Shadow was a cringy edgehog in every game after SA2 and should have stayed dead.
>>695585224nig
>>695585224And you likely spam waifushit from some shitty gacha yet try to act like you possess any ounce of maturity. Lol, get real, faggot.
Here's what I'm guessing happens:>Eggman works with Sonic>Eggman later sees Gerald Robotnik and betrays Sonic to work with Gerald and Shadow because they can conquer the world>Eggman learns Gerald and Shadow are going to kill everyone and feels betrayed by Grandpa>Shadow has a change of Heart due to remembering Maria's Wish and works with Eggman to save the day
>>695575667Not even that anon but yeah, you're an autist
>Ark isn't in the shape of a giant Eggman FaceTrash movie.
>>695624427That the death egg you thinking of
>>695625618
https://x.com/Freddyfazbeer1/status/1861257510474092961WTF is going on?
>>695606178And so is Raiden in metal gear rising but he still ends up driving a car and motorcycle in the story.1 it looks cool2 helps differentiate it from sonic3 helps him save his strenght when he has no real reason to go super fast and gets shit done.
>>695578059LOL they actually did it.Trailer link spoonfeed pls. I don't want to search for "sonic".
>>695578425> He wouldn't use guns for literally any reasonExcept he did and they made a whole game about it
>>695626464lazy faggothttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH1J1EbqCaI
>>695627000thank you anon
>>695626374maybe they are trying to sneak into G.U.N
>>695575356It was cringy at the time because it seemed like a blatant attempt at chasing trends at the expense of the franchise’s usual tone and audience.It’s kino now because edginess isn’t really a popular trend anymore, so when they do it now, you know it’s because they sincerely think it’s cool.
>>695575356>it's some made up scifi stungun instead of a real pistolI suppose that's one way to get around any question of how his massive hands would operate a 1911
Do you think Rouge sleeps upside down with her wings wrapped around her lover?
>>695581252Knuckles is Tien>originally starts off as an antagonist that hates the heroes because some bald guy told him too>eventually becomes a good guy and helps the heroes after leaving the bald guy >fucks off from the heroes
