Is PC gaming really as easy these days as they say? I remember fighting for hours to get stuff working in 2001 that wasn't a Blizzard game. And you can use regular console controllers easily now?Im considering stopping buying games on PS5 and getting a PC.
Yes, gaming on a Windows PC is easier now than it was 25 years ago.But keep in mind, even a mid-range gaming PC costs $2000+, half of that is the GPU alone.
>>724503684if you're paying 1k for a mid range gpu you are a moron
>>724503839A 16GB (bare minimum for 2025) 5070Ti is very close to that.
>>724503956a 6700xt (stronger than a ps5) is less than $200 used
>>724503684I'm using an i7 2600 and an r9 280 and can play most games just fine. jedi survivor, resident evil 4 remake, death stranding, etc. all run at 60fps at 1080p.
>>724503956Why is that the bare minimum? Isn't thar high end?>>724504207Isn't 4k the standard now?
>>724504207>r9 280consolecucks pretend amd doesnt exist and they only shill topline ai sloppa nvidia cards
>>7245043964k is and always was a meme
>>7245043961080p>720p>4kmost games look like shit in 4k, even on ultra settings
>>724504569>>724504574Can you elaborate on why 4k isn't good?
>>724503297It's easier than ever and more resources exist than ever. People still fuck it up, but it's easier than ever.>>7245043964k is standard with consoles but it's usually not native and some kind of compromise. PC you either go 1440p high refresh rate or 4k with "normal" refresh rates.
>>724504396I have another rig that plays those games at 4k, it's just out of commission atm.>>724504569>>724504574dogshit takes, 4k on PC is great. 1080p makes sense if you're using a potato rig or playing 10ft away from a TV, there's zero shame in it, but you're retarded if you think 4k on a 32" 2 feet away from your face doesn't look incredible.
>>724503297no nvidia killed itwindows 10 with a 10 seiries gpu and a 4 core cpu is so fucking aidsnot cuz of the hardware but cuz of the planned obsolescence id say the meta of what to buy right now is nothing if you have decent hardware and games you likeif you dont have anything or want a upgradeget the cheapest steam deck 1b sd carda ps5 used on sale or ps4 and likeeither some garbage like what im on right now a dell optiplex with a 1660 or anything without a nvidia gpu under 1500 dollarsi think ima do ps5 steam deck then either get a new pc with a 9060/9070xt/7900xt etcor upgrade my old 1 with a 5700x3d upgrade and a new amd gputhey just want us pointlessly spending money and upgrading fuck that only buy when you have to or pirate and be el cheaposhit i did it in highschool and it was lit lollaptop for manga/osrs/emulators/oblivion on the lowest settings+ xbox 360 for gaming with used games from gamestop
>>724503839yeah fuck that loli bought a 1070/ryzen 1700 pc for 1200 dollars in 2018 i currently have to repair it but if i wanted to buy a new pc id either have to drop 1.5k plus for a 5070 pc ( which is really like 60 seiries or 50 series from old gpus) or a 9070 xt pc for like 1800 dollarslike nothing is worth the upgrade lol750 for a rx 6700 or 4060 pc is worth itanything more is not at all..seems to me the meta is building/buying used pcs with 9/10 seiries gpus and only playing old or pirated gamesor like shit like steam deckwindows is deadps5 is woke and greedynintendos deadwhat else is there lol
>>724504915too high of resreal peak resolution that wont hurt your eyes is 1080/2k4k is like 2030+ tech0 point nowi could see 720p/1080/480p being good enough forever lolmy 720p tv looks the fucking same as 4k cuz of pixel density.
>>724505143>but you're retarded if you think 4k on a 32" 2 feet away from your face doesn't look incredibleI did a side by side of my 32” 1440p screen with my friends 4k 32” and couldn’t see a difference. Shill harder
>>724504915>Can you elaborate on why 4k isn't good?>>724505143>4k on a 32" 2 feet away from your face doesn't look incredible.I had even bigger, it was a 42" TV I used as my desktop monitor to game in 4k. Only modern AAA slop like bg3 and aw2 looked good in 4k. Lower budget games like palworld and fate/samurai remnant looked shittier in 4k than they would in 1080p because the game is rendered in 1080p. the resolution of your monitor should match the resolution of the game. if you're playing ps2 then a 4:3 480p monitor or a crt, if you're playing xbox 360 then a 720p monitor. most modern games render natively in 1080p and look best on a 1080p monitor. and response rate matters more than refresh rate. a 3ms response rate 60hz 1080p monitor is best if you play hardcore single player games. other than that suit your niche
>>724503956I have 5070 Ti with 9800x3d and it's only bare minimum if you want path tracing. I run games around 100fp with PT and DLSS4 quality. Without PT everything is getting 150+ fps. Many games with RT still run over 120fps easily. So if you don't care about Path Tracing 9060XT or 5060Ti are more than fine.
>>7245051434k may look good but it never will be worth the performance cost thus making it a meme
>>724505316>if you dont have anything or want a upgrade>get the cheapest steam deck>1b sd card>a ps5 used on sale or ps4the best price to performance ratio right now is a used ps3 or 360. they can be softmodded to play any game from their massive libraries. a ps4 on low firmware or a switch on low firmware is also a viable option if you can get a hold of one. or hardmod.
>>724503297just don't fall for the amd meme and you'll be fine, you want intel+nvidia
>>724505959amd+linux works perfectlyamd is only a meme on windows
>>724505959>intelLMAO retard. Intel is a rotting corpse.
>>724503956>He was too poor to buy a 5090>uhm ackshually the most expensive gpu I could buy is the bare minimum
>>724503297It is relatively easy, but you need to go through some research when it comes to parts compatibility, prices and budget. It is usually recommended to set a budget and start looking for options from there. Some things to consider are:>GPU will almost always be the most expensive component>NEVER cheap out on the PSU, it is the second most important part of the build>cases are relatively cheap, but always research for good airflow>32GB has become the sweet spot in terms of RAM>keep in mind the power consumption, this is something a lot of people dismiss, and the stronger the component, the more power it will draw and the higher your electricity bill will beAnd watch lots of videos. You can never be prepared enough when it comes to building your first PC.
>>724506071cute opinion, did a youtuber give it to you?>>724506046Still slower than Nvidia + windowsAlso amd hardware universally ages very poorly
>>724504396>Isn't 4k the standard nowNo 1440p is. No modern game runs at 4k natively, it's all upscaled.
>>724505673at what distance? I can tell 1440 from 4k even on a 27". I'll fully admit that 1800p is virtually indistinguishable from 4k, but they don't make 1800p monitors. I'll usually just bump res down to 1800 if the game is overly demanding.>>724505676>Lower budget games like palworld and fate/samurai remnant looked shittier in 4k than they would in 1080p because the game is rendered in 1080p.that's not how it works, you don't know how computers work. you do realize that a computer can render these games at 4K, right?don't blame the game for you being retarded.>response rate matters more than refresh rate>60hz 1080p monitorif you care about response time you get a 240hz+ 1080p/1440p monitor because refresh rate drastically improves input latency. you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>724506101>And watch lots of videos. You can never be prepared enough when it comes to building your first PC.dated advice, just use chatgpt or deepseek. obviously double check everything they say but its a good starting point
4K looks good on a 65"+ tv, but i'm not sure it's really that good on a monitor desuthese arguments remind of when people were seriously arguing the next switch 2, or even steam deck, should have a 4k display on it.
>>724506172>he bought Intel trashLOL I feel bad for you.
>>724506172>Also amd hardware universally ages very poorlynigger nvidia hasn't had a card that ages well since the fucking 1080ti, and they consider it a mistake never to be made again. 20-series nvidia and beyond age like shit
>>724506172>did a youtuber give it to you?No, reality.
>>724506329>he's too poor for Intellol
>>724506306unironically true, i used chatgpt to help me recently pick out some components. mainly for comparing specs between similar cpus, mobos, and ram. it also helped by advising on how to future proof my build by picking parts on newer tech like ddr5 ram,etc.
>>724503297been retard friendly since late 2000sif you want a controller that just works get an xbone controller, native windows controller support back to xp/vista era gamss
>>724506436>he paid more for worse performance As bad as nintendo drones.
>>724506260>you do realize that a computer can render these games at 4K, right?you're plugging your nes into your hdtv and saying it's 1080p now. not how it works. game wasnt designed for that resolution so its going to look shittier than it would at 480i>if you care about response time you get a 240hz+ 1080pwaste of money. most hardcore single player games are designed for 60fps. a 60hz monitor with a good response time is better than a 240hz monitor with a shitty response time
>>7245063955700xt vs 20706700xt vs 30707700 vs 4070and soon : 9070 vs 5070 >>724506428>pln9070/xt way down the list btw, below even intel gpus
>>7245063234K looks better on even a 27" monitor than it does on a 65" TV. if you think it does nothing for a monitor, it does even less than that for a TV.4k has a ton of benefits but it really truly is marketing, ESPECIALLY for tv's. for average viewing distance and sizes you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, let alone fucking 4k.
>>724506172intel has two usecases1. quicksync2. you haven't built a pc in 15 years and "well, intel never gives me problems, but amd always gave me problems even though i've never bought amd, so i'm going intel because it's what i'm familiar with, it costs more so it's better" is how operate daily and you deserve to feel good because nobody else is gonna make you feel that way
>>724503297I’m running a 5090 with a 9950x3d, that’s basically a mid-tier rig that’ll let you play most games. The trouble is you can’t reliably crack 300 hz at 4K in new games so YMMV.
Everybody's arguing...Is 4070 really not good enough because that's what I was looking at?
>>724506706native resolution looks best. 4k tvs are good at displaying 4k content. games are not 4k content.
>>724506667>5700xt vs 2070>6700xt vs 3070>7700 vs 4070you're comparing entirely different tiers of card retard, the x700 tier cards are comparable to the xx60 tier cards. no wonder amd changed their naming scheme.
>>724506747Not true, intel wins on both performance and value in every segment on desktop other than absolute top end gaming >>724506842Why do that when the 5070 is ~$500?I mean it's fine if it's cheap
>>724506667Radeons no longer make any sense after Nvidia prices dropped a bit. But their CPUs rape Intel.
>>7245068424070 is fine. almost any newer card with >=12GB vram will be fine for a while
>>724506842if it's a midrange or higher card released in the past 6 years it's "good enough". diminishing returns and all that
>>724506898fine then :)5700xt < 20606700xt < 3060ti7700 < 4060ti4 years from now : 5060ti > 9070xt
>>724506842Depends on the price. 4070 super or 5070 are better and usually very similar in price.
>>724506913>not truewrongdiscussion concluded
>>724507114idiot
>>724506880>native resolution looks best.this is outdated info that applied to 720/1080 screens. a 27"/32" 4k monitor has near-microscopic PPI and can integer scale 1080p content perfectly. integer-scaled 1080p content on a 4k looks better than it does on a native 1080p screen because you don't get the screen door effect from the low PPI
>>724503297What the fuck have you been doing for the past 20 years? Driver confilcts are mostly a thing of the past. You have tools for light duty OC. Water cooling is now mostly built in solutions. You aren't doing jumpers or IRQs anymore.You do need to watch out for proprietary and weird power shit on the giantic power draws the cards have these days.t. Geezer who knows what thermal paste tastes like. >>724504396>>724504915>Isn't 4k the standard now?No. Cards can't support it at solid framerates. The games aren't designed in that resolution so the textures aren't taking advantage of it in the first place. You need a huge ass monitor for it to remotely make sense. Remember that AAA is still heavily consolized, and very few of them are running in actual 4k. Even something that's focused on eye candy like Ghost of Yotei is naturally in 1440. Some 4k specialist can actually name the shit that uses it properly.I also miss Crytek.
>>7245070056700xt shits all over the 3060ti, people literally pick base 3060 over the ti version because of the crippled vram.
>>724507382screen door effect is a good thing as it softens harsh pixel edges
>>724507537no that's just you being too cheap to shell out for a better monitor
It was becoming more "intuitive" every year even 10 years ago.These days even CPUs and coolers are probably impossible to fuck up.
>>724507482Yeah have fun with image quality when you have use fsr, muh vram won't help with that.
>>724503684I bought a computer with an RTX 5070 for about $1550.
>>724507352>just CPUAMD has much cheaper boards and works best with 6000mhz ram while Intel wants 7200-8000mhz that costs much more. For what you save on ram and board you can go a tier higher with CPU. Not to mention AM5 will be relevant for many years while Intel is going to a new socket. And if you game AMD X3Ds slaughter everything Intel. AMD is completely murdering Intel in sales right now and for good reasons.
>>724506101This anon knows what thermal paste on his taint feels like and he's solid.I would start with target resolution. Or decide that right after you set your budget tentpoles. >NEVER cheap out on the PSU, it is the second most important part of the buildI'd put mobo over PSU. But not cheaping out is important. PSU will usually survive more than one mobo/ processor, and can sometimes last over 10 years. Also PSU instability or critical failure can destroy other parts, which is why you never go with bottom tier PSUs, when better ones are just like 20 dollars more. And you always leave space above your maximum for expansion, and loss of power when the PSU ages. >Cases.Cheaping out on cases sometimes means hammering or drilling shit or bending metal from poor build quality. Cases also survive more than one build. I have fat fingers, so I like lots and LOTS of space, personally. >power consumptionSeen plenty of ultra poorfags struggle to save 20 bucks then blow 1000 times as much on power.>>724506306If your'e AIing it up, read the FULL source of the references they give you.t. Geezer.
>>724506842Define "good enough" by game and framerate and it becomes obvious.>>724508079Remember though that the lowest standard builder isn't some redneck with a camaro or some russian teenager trying to get Steam. it's people who struggle with phone tech.That said, I don't want anyone who can't build a computer straight from newegg parts within 5 tries to have a drivers license.
>>724508221I used to do 1800p no upscaling, 4k on some games, because of the vram headroom.
>>724508280modern mobo's are high enough quality you can just buy the cheapest possible name brand board that supports your desired ram and you're golden.
>>724508480> I don't want anyone who can't build a computer straight from newegg parts within 5 tries to have a drivers license.most people will think you're a wizard just opening the case. the reality is that even if you know where all the parts go, you will almost ALWAYS fuck something up, and a normie will never ever be able to troubleshoot it.
>>724506172Imagine using Intel in 2020+5
>>724508803All those PC building ezpz Legos videos leave off the cable routing and your hands getting scraped up.
>>724503297I was 12 in the year 2000, and PC gaming was easy for me, so I don't know what you're on about.
>>724503297Sure, it's great if you like the idea of paying a premium to play console ports.
>>724508803this, experience and knowledge is mandatory for the inevitable troubleshooting. the rig I built just last week had the CPU fail when I booted it, it only took me about 5 minutes to figure out the problem but if I didn't know what that kind of failure looked like and how to diagnose the symptoms it would have taken me god knows how long.
>>724503297Gaming on a PC is easy as piss, building a PC is very easy with websites like pcpartspicker, the only real reason it's bad is sheer cost of entry. Prices have steeply increased on PC components in the past decade and seemingly are only going to rise.
>>724509089Well theoretically the games will look and run better but it seems a 4070 won't handle that so I'll need to increase the budget a bit. And consoles have really lost all their advantages it seems. The games aren't complete, you have updates. You need to pay to play online. You don't even retain control of your save files anymore. Even what little curation these "closed platform" shovelware factories had is gone. Stores are overrun with AI slop. Except Xbox which is hilarious because nobody can appreciate it.Like I'm just doing this out of habit at this point.
>>724503684Hell, gaming on Linux is easier now than gaming on windows was like 15-20 years ago.
You don't need anything more than a basic bitch office laptop for majority of PC games in existence. Half of the stuff you'd be missing out is shit anyway.
>>724506842If you can jump to a 4070 Super, Ti or Ti Super, go for those instead, granted if you can actually find one that doesn't cost you more than a 5070. All of those are perfectly fine GPUs that will last you for a long time.
>>724504034buying an out of date used gpu to play games at the same level as a console isn't the huge win you think it is
>>724509760>but it seems a 4070 won't handle thatI have a mid-budget 1440p PC with a 4070 Super. I'll be honest, the only "recent" game I've played has been Dead Space Remake, but I ran it on High at a stable 180fps. If you have the disposable money, sure, go for a 5080/5090, but the 70 Series and their improvements are very capable of Ultra settings gaming. Just avoid unoptimized UE5 trash and you'll be fine.
>>724510103not available new any more. only used
>>724510004this is probably the most retarded post in this retarded thread
>>724510582Yes, personally I wouldn't risk it, and even then people sell used GPUs for very high because the demand for those older cards is still there. Just get a 5070 or 5080, or their AMD equivalents if you want to go cheaper.
>>724503297It will always be more of a hassle compared to a console. Also 99.9% of modern games suck ass so you don't need a PC that is as powerful as a ps5.
>>724503297If you gonna buy or build a PC you better do it now because prices are getting bonkers. Ram and Nvme's instead of prices going down over time they are only going up and up. Also don't go below 4070 if not you'll get wrecked in 2 years when the PS6/Xbox are out new games will run like shit. There's gonna be heavy emphasis on Ray and Path tracing, which anything below a 4070 won't be able to handle.
