the most schizo deltarune theory you've seen/made.... just for fun.
There's more than one Knight.
>>725680256Hmmm... tough one. Kris being the only remaining human perhaps. Also Noelle being trans.
>>725681049This one is mine, mainly carried by how different it acts between chapters.The first one cries, barely moves, roars like a rabid animal. It reads like some abomination.Second one is a cocky shit who actively mocks and laughs at the crew. It reads like an asshole.
>>725680256I saw a joke one that sorta makes weird sense called the Kris Goons theory.The gist is that Asriel was never into dragon girls, and it was all Kris, from hiding the how to draw dragons book, to the bit about watching shows about alligators in bikinis. Combine that with Kris's moments with Susie and it sorta slots in.
>>725681049Only watched varg play the normal route of Deltarune but there being multiple knights makes the most sense to me.If I had to guess, one will be revealed as the sick dude turned into the titan out of desperation. He might die or something after its confirmed but the knight will appear again right away.I don't think it's Dess in eitber case but a desperate attempt/conspiracy formed to rescue Dess from some other threat by some unsavory means.Just a feeling idk much about the game tho
>>725680256Toby Fox intentionally acknowledged Undertale Yellow by sticking a bit from the Justice motif into Raise Up Your Bat
>>725680256>There are two knights, Rudy and Carol>The night is UT Asriel and Chara's combined soul>The end goal of the prophecy is for Noelle to become strong enough to join her sister and become the second knightThis is the best I came up with. Theorizing about Deltarune's plot is gay since the info we have is way too vague
the knight team up with him....
>>725681346>First one is Dess>Second one is...?
>>725681049ness is sans
>>725681346>>725682338Alright, let me schizo harder: the Knight is Gyftrot. Throwing suspicion on the Holidays is a feint, because Gyftrot is a Christmas themed deer too.
>>725680256Deltarune is a computer simulation by Gaster based on Undertale.
>>725683653I thought he was Steven.
>>725680256in the weird route, noelle will become one with (You). because (You) are the angel, or Holy Spirit. in our world, there are higher beings in God and the Holy Spirit, and so too are we a higher being to the inhabitants of the world of deltarune. just as we may experience communion with God, so too will Noelle want to experience communion with [H E A V E N], (You). this may be frightening to her, but through communion with (You), she will experience LOVE. just as God loves you, (You) give noelle LOVE. the double entendre is on purpose, where LOVE also means the ability to inflict pain. that is because, if (You)r will is the highest order, then it follows that the pain you inflict is also divine providence. hence, the greatest LOVE that beings in deltarune could be given is PAIN, if you desire it. this is noelle’s role as a vessel in the weird route, to inflict that PAIN. because to her, in communion with (You), LOVE = PAIN, something she is destined to inflict as the girl with LOVE in her heart. after all, the greatest love that the inhabitants of deltarune could be given is to be one with (You)r will, through PAIN. this is something noelle experienced from kris her whole life, where the pain he inflicted was actually love for her, in her mind. and so, she will give him back that LOVE, just as (You) the angel gave her LOVE, through the pain (You) inflict on her.
>>725680256asriel is the angel
>>725680256this image here >>725682973 is spoiling future plot developmentsa goat and another deer will turn into knight-creatures (despite ralsei calling them titans when they look nothing like the titan we fight)most likely candidates are Asgore and Carol
>>725684683This isn't even crazy, just very mean. I'm a huge sucker for bent theological villainy, so count me in.
>Ralsei is AsgoreThis theory is plain schizo without much evidence to back it up (and false) but I like it nonetheless.
>>725681531>being attracted to women is now considered 'gooning'
>>725680256Ralsei is a piece of indegistable chalk that Susie ate, which is why he's everywhere they go. And why he's white.
>>725681531Damn Kris must like them reptilians. Probably less fleas on them.
People have speculated that the "crazy fever dream" Toby had about the ending of Deltarune happened right after the English translation of Umineko was finished, there's a video of him singing OH DESIRE, Deltarune shares metafictional elements with Umineko, it was released on Halloween (shit, now that I'm thinking about Toby is REALLY into Halloween), uses different colors of text in Undertale and Deltarune for plot significant reasons, and more. There's just enough evidence to believe that Toby was inspired by Umineko/Higurashi, but it's also known that Umineko fans dont shut the fuck up about Umineko, but if he IS basing the plot off Umineko, any Umineko fan will have foresight which reaches the level of spoilers, so it would still make sense for him to not bring it up.Regardless I think an Erika-like character who shits on fantasy dark worlds would be a great villain, imagine her shredding a playing card up and calling Susie a baby, imagine her using FACTS and LOGIC to prove that Susie never met Gerson, imagine her humiliating Susie by telling her to open a fountain right here right now so everyone can see
>>725687286My theory is that Toby heard this song and then came up with 90% of the backstory for Noelle in one night.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnXHNefXpnc
>>725681146Isn't everyone trans, according to trannies?
>>725683551Very obviously rudy
>>725687468Of course, you and I are trans too anon
>>725687286>character who shits on fantasy dark worldscarol
>>725680256Deltarune ends with Toby telling you to write your own ending. The Annoying Dog and Temmie were the "you two" in "what do you two think?". Gaster is just another form of Toby.
>>725687373>"best friend's suicide"Susie sacrifices herself confirmedalso Noelle becomes a drugged up hooker and dies alone in a motel room years later confirmed
>>725683689What if Gyftrot is a holiday?
>>725680256>>725681049Someone else mightve had the same conclusions but I came up with my own "Multiple Knight" theory, rather than being different entities The Knight is an amalgam of dead monsters with Dess as potentially its most promenient identity. It manages to show up in every dark world without being truly recognized in the light world, its fight makes a big focus on the wind rather then the knight itself which could be the wind that carries all it's dust, the people who are buried in the graveyard are all part of an amalgamate in ut, and it continues the omori ripoff theory by implying Kris is responsible for Dess' deathThe only thing I cant really answer is how it carried Undyne in the light world, but maybe there's a bit more to it than just dust in the light world that I cant start guessing at. You dont need 100% of the answers for a theory to have merit
>>725688214>>725680256If the implied huge shift in the narrative between chapters 5 and 6 is just a time skip, it would be the lamest thing ever.
>>725686812I think the name is because "goon" is slang for masturbation, and the dragon book was his wank material.
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>>725688403The game will end at chapter 5 in the normal route, watch
>>725685367Maybe the Knight is a titan. Perhaps some sort of person turned titan.
>>725688483This would be based as fuck.My personal schizoid theory / hope is that the Chapter 0 meme isn't just a quirk of the way he defined the Chapter enums in the launcher source code but is in fact going to boot up Undertale in a remixed mode at the very end of the game.
>>725687830But then that means...no one is trans.We did it, anon. We are finally free from the menace.
>>725687286>imagine her humiliating Susie by telling her to open a fountain right here right now so everyone can seeHow would she react if Susie did open a dark world right in front of her?
>>725687468Let's see:>Kris>Noelle>RalseiMain ones. Susie is very rare, though im sure it exists.
>>725680256The chapter selection screen is the bunker door panel, if you replay chapters in the order 1, 2, 2 again then 5, at the end of chapter 5, the bunker door opens.
i don't believe everything in this image anymore but i'm suspicious of a lot of the wording of ralsei's prophecy and definitely don't believe the church dark world had all of the prophecy
>>725680256There will be a chosen one.
Susie's half human and is what Gaster calls the Deltarune, he needed a monster with Determination.Susie becomes a goner at the end of the main game, (you) have to confront Gaster to bring her back and find out the truth beyond Hometown.Dark, dark, darker, Gaster is in a three-layered Dark world, beyond two titans.
>>725689143The motives, reasoning, and goals are up in the air, but it is 100% undeniable now that Ralsei editted the Legend he told to Kris and Susie intentionally. He mentions things that the church never did, and makes up details that never existed (There is no Monster or "Angel's Heaven" ever mentioned in the Church's prophecy, much less banishing said heaven). It cant be chalked to trying to protect them for the truth because how does telling them there needs to be a Monster do anything except make Susie believe she NEEDS to be one of the heroes? "The Girl" could be anyone, but he chose to make Susie think it needed a Monster with an Axe specifically
>>725689045It's really funny to me that people want to trannify Ralsei badly because he's feminine but Susie being masculine and a woman doesn't make anyone headcanon her as trans because nobody cares about trans men
>>725689742Beating Deltarune will patch Undertale, then you'll have to boot up that game and find Su[z]ie
>>725689980I don't think Gaster is moving Susie to Undertale, because that would be forcing players to buy Undertale to beat Deltarune.Susie is getting moved to a third program instead.
>>725689795That is kind of funny when you think about it.It's not even that uncommon a combo. Reminds me a bit of Mia and Elk from .hack//, but I'm sure there are a ton others that escape me at the moment. It's a fun dynamic.
>>725690273It'll be the chapter 0 slot which will be a remixed and chopped up version of Undertale. Not the whole original game.
>>725690512What if its a Back to The Future 2 style story running in parallel to the events of the original game, with everything happening just out of frame of the original Undertale?
>>725689775>makes up details that never existeddid he? that's the question i'm asking
>Asriel is the Roaring Knight>Dess is dead
>>725690830This is true.Asriel is also plugged into a diabolical machine in the bunker with a bunch of wires and tubes sticking out of him which is going to resemble the Omegaflowey device except more body-horror. He's also half-dead.
>>725690830>>725690992>Deltarune is just Undertale againYou anons lack creativity.
Shadow Mantle is a sexy little fuck toy....What were we talking about again?
>>725680256I think the point of the story isn't to be a generic JRPG plot about changing fate/fighting god/flipping the bird to the Prophecy. I don't think the Prophecy even should be antagonized. The way these future events are set up ("And YOU definitely wouldn't let it happen.") sets the Prophecy will tell a fatalistic fate where everything was written and set in stone but every action were conscious choices by the actors involved. There's not much of a point to any of what I'm saying rather I just wanna express people's idea you MUST change fate you HAVE TO fight against the hecking evil prophecy feels like a lame and simplistic way of seeing the story
>>725691113Deltarune is Undertale's equal and opposite because spacetime got fractured. try to keep up, 'nonny.
>>725690672I quite literally pointed them out, go look at the prophecy in the church. "Angel's Heaven" and banishing such never comes up once. It mentions Heaven's call but that's the only mention of Heaven in it, period. It may ask for a cage with "Human" parts, but it also never mentions the heroes needing a Monster specifically, its the cage with human soul and parts, the girl with hope, and the prince. The only one Ralsei didnt edit in his Legend was the prince
>>725691516Rune alphabet theory solves this.
>>725688483This, end of ch4 sets up a climax.Game ends at ch5 for filtered tards and only weird/sword proceed to 6
>>725691334Which is exactly why Asriel can't be the knight. Its not opposite if the knight is just Flowey again.
>>725691683He absolutely can be because Kris is working with him and together they are using the Player because they need (you)r god powers to rescue Dess.
>>725691783Saying Asriel is the Knight is like saying Noelle is the Knight. Both are technically possible but would be awful
>>725691293I want to be free to make my own choices, and I can't do that as long as the prophecy stands in the way. Nothing else matters anymore.
>>725680256The point being made with Deltarune is that game developers ultimately enable the players to do whatever they do, and Toby is as guilty for the Genocide Route as everyone who played it. Gaster embodies the creator, having destroyed the lives of many (fictional) people just to create his own little story.
>>725691783But you can work with Flowey in Undertale, and you can bring his long dead love interest back from the dead in there too.
>>725692174>Gaster embodies the creator, having destroyed the lives of many (fictional) people just to create his own little story.Yet those fictional characters never would have existed at all without that suffering to warrant their creation. Ironic, isn't it?
>>725691516no my point is you're assuming we saw absolutely all there is of the prophecy with the exception of the final panel when there's no evidence for that
>>725692231Difference is that will be the good ending.
>>725692470>game is exactly the same except good and bad are swappedIt was boring when Underfell did it, its boring now. Again, you lack creativity.
>>725688945You could say we have transcended.
The reason Deltarune is taking so long to releaseThe reason for the horribly reclusive Toby networking so muchThe reason for Chapter 0Toby is trying to get the rights to Brandish from Nihon FalconChapter 0 is going to be his fanfic sequel to BrandishIt's going to be the completion of the old RPG Maker game where his brother had a self-insert named Ralsei
>>725692065The game is made using Gamemaker Studio so you can very easily decompile and modify any part of it, canonically this is one of your powers.
>>725692456In the case of "Angel's Heaven", maybe that is the case. But the church is very clear on it's description of the heroes, it put so much focus on the girl that the fact it never once says "Btw the girl is a monster" means its unlikely it ever does. On some level, Ralsei editted it when he recounted it himself rather than simply not telling the whole thing
>>725692651>But the church is very clear on it's description of the heroes...no it isn't
>>725692643It would unironically be based if they worked that into the story.I don't know the context of the image though, so I have no idea what you mean by it.
>>725692597NTA, my idea is the normal route ends with the knight only temporarily solved but the fun gang make it out mostly the same, if better, whereas weird route ends with the knight problem solved completely at the cost of the mental health or even lives of some of the cast. Both have pros and cons, and to some extent both are tragedies. Maybe you save Dess in normal but that causes the Knight as its own identity to loam, whereas you completely kill Dess with The Knight in weird
>>725692620>ralsei is a dead kid's oc>ralsei is toby's brother's ocare there any other irl inspirations for Ralsei I should know about?
>>725692930They already did in Undertale & Deltarune. There are characters and dialog that can only be seen by decompiling the game. And they aren't unused, they're meant to be seen.
Alright my theory.. is ... Kris is straight hetero.
>>725693043Yeah, but those only hinted at that. I want to see it taken to its logical extent. Maybe some character outright refusing to fight (you) even though they have the ability to force loss the fight because they know (you) can beat them if you really wanted to, no matter what.Or hell, have a secret good ending that's only accessible by save editing.
>>725692643Deboonked by consoles.
>>725680256i'm an E. G. Gaster believer
>>725692937That could work, but it need not retread the Asriel/Flowey thing in the process.
>>725693275Consoles will all eventually be hacked. The true ending on consoles is simply harder to get. Or the player could always buy a PC copy and mod it.
>>725693360Unironically has some merit. Gaster was shattered after all. Who says those peices all reformed into a single entity?
>>725693362It will though, because that's the point of Deltarune.
>>725693606The point of deltarune is that its different. Asriel is a nobody here while Dess in the important one, which is the inverse of Undertale.
>>725680256probably alphys knight, it's funny how she's still one of the few characters that is know to be at the ch1/2/4 fountain locations before it opened although a much more volatile and controversial one is kris being the second hero
Ralsei is lying about the Dark World being an illusion.Ralsei is lying about opening Dark Fountains causing the end of the world.Ralsei is lying about what Titans are.The Dark Worlds aren't fake, they're psychic - something akin to Persona's cognitive worlds or Project Moon's fathoms. Titans aren't destructive embodiments of fear, they're protective constructs born of a deeper layer of the mind. Titans may have enough Darkness to exist in the Light. The Knight is Ralsei's Titan. Ralsei is playing both sides.The plan is simple: Open fountains, recruit inhabitants, seal said fountains. All to grow Castle Town. All to strengthen his own fountain, his own mental world.
>>725693454The japs play mostly on consoles (Switch) so that's not happening.
the "eggs" we find aren't actually eggs but something else that deltarune cannot define, and just replaces what they are with default eggs as an error handler.
>>725680256My own schizo theory but I don't know how to finish it is that DETERMINATION is a red herring for the real "theme" of the games, DEER-TERMINATION.>the machine in alphys lab that looks like a deer skull>the amalgamate that looked a bit like a deer>the generally high number of dead/suffering deer people compared to every other type of monster>Noelle effectively being set up to become a vessel for the soul>Her dad dying in hospital, her mom being a bitch>Dess being missing or deadI can't quite string it together but there is something with deers and DETERMINATION shares too many letters with DEER-TERMINATION for a guy as obsessed with wordplay as Toby Fox to just be a coincidence.
>it's almost 2026 alreadythe waiting....continues....regardless....
>>725680256holidays = hussies
>>725696278holidays = hochi mama's
>>725680256Any ship involving Kris
>>725680256Grandpa semi is the egg man
Jack is the Knight
Lancer and the Knight are the same being, but not the same consciousness
>>725697812Bullshit.
banjo theory
>>725693019Well technically if you must know the "Ralse" thing is intentionally reading one of Toby's famitsu posts wrong as an attempt to disprove the Ralsei Dead Kid rumor.Which is also inaccurate because dead kid Ralsei is based on actually turned out to be alive.
>>725695745GabeCube may change this
>>725693454i hate that no one has modded console content into undertale
>>725698669I mean maybe Ralsei is still based on him, I don't know people thought he was dead around the time
>>725680256Fine, here’s the revised version of my Stages of Grief Theory. I’ve mentioned this theory before (even before Chapters 3 and 4 came out) but I never explained it in detail because I was too lazy to write a few paragraphs, so your thread finally gave me the motivation I needed to get this dumb thing off my chest.The key common theme between all the hidden bosses is that they each represent a stage of grief. But what are they grieving? Freedom: freedom from their own fate, which they’re unable to change. This is symbolized by the shadow crystals and, of course, the freedom motif.Based on the item’s description, it’s very probable that the shadow crystals show you visions of being free from your own tragic fate, and that’s what led Spamton and Jevil down their own schizo paths.Jevil denies that he’s locked in a cage and thinks he’s the only one with freedom, so he represents Denial.Spamton knows he doesn’t have freedom and tries to negotiate for it, so he represents Bargaining.Now, the Roaring Knight... I originally thought the Knight would represent Anger, but after seeing the Knight strike that cool pose during that Chapter 4 scene, I can tell that fella really isn’t all that angry. And if you listen to Black Knife, the freedom motif isn’t present, which is a clear indication that this boss is meant to be an exception to the rule. After all, the Knight is also the only boss who isn’t actually hidden and instead hijacks the story. This boss is the odd one out.
>>725700638Moving on, we have good ol’ Gerson. It’s well known that he’s not a schizo like Jevil or Spamton, and that’s why he rejected the promises of “freedom” offered by the shadow crystal: “Felt like someone really wanted me to use this thing, but it didn’t interest me, so you can take it.” Because Gerson knows he’s the one writing his own story and walks between the lines of the prophecy, he has actual freedom. He represents Acceptance, since he’s not grieving over a fruitless vision and has control over his own fate.I’ve seen anons disappointed that we haven’t gotten a proper schizo boss during Chapters 3+4, and that this supposedly meant the pattern of “schizo bosses” wasn’t real. The good news is that, if my theory is correct, we’ll have a proper schizo boss again in Chapter 5. Here’s my prediction: we’re gonna get a hidden boss who’s ANGRY, this boss KNOWS they don’t have freedom and can’t change their fate, so they’re angry about it and will lash out at our three heroes.After fighting that boss, we’ll have every shadow crystal. So what’s next? It’s uncertain, but if I had to guess, I’d say we’re going to fight Seam next, since he represents Depression. You can hear how pessimistic his dialogue is in Chapter 1 and he constantly doubts your chances of survival. And honestly, he doesn’t seem that trustworthy. You really think you can trust that cat when you’re handing him those dangerous shadow crystals for free? He’s planning something, and we’ll have to fight him in Chapter 6.In Chapter 7, I think we’ll confront the one behind it all, the person who gave these shadow crystals to the hidden bosses, and it’s very likely that it’ll be FRIEND.So yeah, there’s nothing too revelatory about this theory, but I’m confident the pattern is there. It’s worth pointing out to give us a good idea of where the story’s heading. I’m certain we’ll have an angry schizo boss, at the very least.
>>725700638me on the right!
I came up with like, half the Gaster stuff. I wanted to see how many people I could bait with obvious nothingburgers, and I regret my decision.
>>725693175So brave and based.Doe pussy is for straight dick only.
>>725693175Don't forget he's male
>>725703775he's gay for bird cocksorry
>>725680256It's gonna ultimately end up as a weeaboo RPG about funny animals and power of friendship.
For me, it's treesei.
>>725693360>He is in front of the tree...i'm actually mad this will almost definitively never happen in the game
>>725704203I mean, my thing is thatKris is actually the man behind the tree, after all, Mancountry is for him
>>725704279Addendum for this theory>Presence in the light world is only when Kris is looking at a reflective surface>There's a MAN in this car, he waves happily>There's a customer "in the back" with a take out box, this could just be Kris referring to the situation in chapter 3 where he has found a place to keep your egg safe for you since there's no where to put it in 3 or 4 in the light world.>Kris similarly "talks" to you in the mirror at the Dreemurr Household
>>725704279i was going to say that's fucking stupid... but...>every time you interact with the tree, you are behind it
>>725704279>>725704712kino but will never happen due to toby's they/them human autismsame reason why ralsei being kris' monster OC couldn'tve been real
>>725704279>Well... There is not a man hereKris is being possesses by Dess and is therefore usually feminine confirmed.
>>725705050>kris wants to be called they/them in a desperate attempt to avoid being THE MAN
>>725704279This implies that Deltarune is about:A) Being castrated B) Reverting to childhoodEither way "not a man"
>>725705214Well no, Kris becomes They/Them again because it's you and him.You are two niggas.
>>725705382stop spouting this shit it just comes off as desperate
>>725693360Gaster is the darkner version of an easter egg
>>725705442Then why does Kris change from light world Kris to Dark World Kris in the chapter 3 room?The single time The Man can actually communicate with you in depth before disappearing
Any news on the next chapter?
For me it's "Sans is on the run from (you)" theory.At some point in Deltarune (you) and Kris have the opportunity to beat Sans to death, but he escapes into his machine and teleports to Undertale. That's why he's so suspicious and weird in Undertale, because he's afraid you're going to finish the job (which you do, canonically, in the Genocide ending)
>>725707324fucker deserves it for bullying my son
>>725707075Nothing concrete, but Toby has gotten to a point in chapter 5 development that he's been letting his friends playtest an unfinished version of it.
>>725707643he also mentioned that they're either designing or playtesting enemies for ch6which is the first official mention of anything past ch5 (not including the chapter select)
>>725695745Switch is already hacked.
>>725698874be the change you want to see
>>725707075You just have to WAIT
More memes that have been deltarune'd please
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>>725698669Ralsei still predates Undertale by a few years as seen by the concept art. So even if the famitsu article is a misreading, we still know he existed before that OC. If anything the OC is indirectly based on Ralsei, since Asriel in Undertale was based on Ralsei, and the OC was inspired by him.
>>725698753It'll probably just replace Xbox as the mandatory American domestic alternative to foreign consoles.
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>>725680256The Fun Gang represents Tomino's Hell.Older sister vomits blood, little sister vomits fire, and cute little Tomino vomits glass beads.Susie bleeds, Ralsei has pyromancy, and Kris is collecting Shadow Crystals that look like shards of glass.
>>725710156Susie is the White KnightThe Black Knight is creating the fountains
>>725710030bros for what are we going to WAIT after chapter 7 comes out?
>>725709974Still to this day the funniest thing to come out of this Fandom oh my god. I want a mod that adds Lancer to pathologic for real and he just bikes around and steals shit from you.
>>725710267Chapter 8.
>>725680256When Kris and Dess explored the Bunker, Kris fucked around with a control panel and accidently Danny Phantomed Dess, making her shatter and become one with the Darkness.Asriel is the Knight, and Dess the Night.She became his armor.
>>725709626Well it's not we'll ever see it or learn more about it from the guy ever.
>>725710267Fangames perhaps? Or if you're really eager to WAIT, HL3.
>>725680256Ralsei is not the dark prince
>>725710626bunked by concept artwhich is a shame because lancer being the prince was one of the more fun theories for a good whilealthough interestingly enough, kris and susie don't seem to be the heroes, or at the very least not in the role they think they're in
>>725710881Are you implying Susie's actual role is the dragon? The Dragon doesn't actually appear in the prophecy either, which means it might be an invention of Gerson's book. Meaning the prophecy could be sort of an iterative thing. That would also recontextualize the relationship between Gerson and Susie, with her actually being his child in a way, if only in an indirect metaphysical sense.
>>725710482It honestly sucks that literally the fucking worst person was the one to line up to try and make contact, and we won't ever learn anything else.
>>725711228susie's the big mystery, which is probably intentional i think she might be 'outside' of the prophecy entirely, she's not bound by the rules of it because she isn't contained in it
>>725711337Why do you want to know this guy so bad? There's no way in hell Toby "refuses to show his face or interact with his fandom at all since he became famous" Fox would steal an OC and make it the main character of his game. And there's no way in hell a tumblr furry would take someone that prominent stealing his fursona lying down.
>>725707616Genocide run is the good ending :)
>>725711585I mean aside from your really mean spirited inflammatory reading of the situation, I think it's kind of interesting that something like this could happen.I don't want like a personal relationship with the guy, I just wanna see his funny fella and learn about them.Also I guess I'm a little pissed at that one guy for fucking up and then being a complete fucking faggot for 3 months.
Toby Fox is a vindictive piece of shit who hates role-playing games and wants to destroy role-playing for every game(at my expense). He's a dead man if he touches Dragon Quest.
FRIEND and ERAM are Susie and Kris's childhood imaginary friends (FRIEND is literally named FRIEND because Susie is an idiot). Imaginary friends are able to become Darkners as long as they're rooted in a physical object -- FRIEND is literally just that chair as per the ball machine, and ERAM is the horn headband (and Kris's true monstersona, not Ralsei). They're working together either to get revenge on their creators for being forgotten, or on each other's creators for being replaced as their creators' best friends. ERAM also wants Kris to go full edgelord again. FRIEND is much dumber due to being Susie's creation and is getting screwed over in this partnership
>>725711881>aside from your really mean spirited inflammatory reading of the situationFirst of all, do you know where we are? Second, none of what I said was inaccurate. Toby avoids his fans on purpose because he knows it would be very bad for all parties involved if he didn't. And furries, especially the tumblr kind, are notorious for getting possessive over their self inserts.>I don't want like a personal relationship with the guy, I just wanna see his funny fella and learn about them.Fair enough, I just don't see why it should be all that special. Its just an Undertale OC, and from what I've heard of it, just the palette swap variety, which there are a million of.
>>725712583I don't think ERAM hates Kris or wants revenge, it just seems to enjoy being evil and knows Kris enjoyed being an evil little shit with it back in the day, and wants to go back to that. If anything I think ERAM may even love Kris in its own twisted way. If only because its Kris's darkest desires made manifest.FRIEND is a bunch of Cat Petterz cats from Noelle's glitched copy of the game amalgamated together.
>>725712717I mean you kind of omitted the key detail that he's basically Ralsei before anyone knew what a Ralsei would be, which is why the whole situation is weird as fuck.
>>725713117We knew Asriel, who's practically the same character in terms of personality and appearance. Hell if you color invert his boss outfit you get Ralsei's color scheme.
>>725687286He's just copying Homestuck and Omori retardo
>>725713330I mean that's great and all yeah there are similarities between Asriel and Ralsei, but I want to get to know the other goat, I don't get what about this is so convoluted.
>>725713937If the game is anything like homestuck, this was all a colossal waste of time.
>>725714063I understand what you're saying logically, I just don't understand the appeal of said other goat.
>>725714973The anomaly of being "Ralsei" before anyone should really know what "Ralsei" is.The fact that there's textual descriptions confirming his appearance but no surviving visual depictions.
>>725714620I get that reference
>>725715515I didn't know that was a thing. I just don't want to play a game where the whole world is a simulation, it makes every single second feel empty. I don't play role-playing games for an empty experience.
>>725715406>The anomaly of being "Ralsei" before anyone should really know what "Ralsei" is.This is the sticking point for me. I don't think he was Ralsei, and I don't think his similarity to Ralsei was that special.
>>725715862Technically the whole world in every game is a simulation. And Deltarune really feels like the kind of game to remind you that it is one, much to the detriment of all of the characters.
you retards will gossip about literally who that's tangentially relevant to a name of a fictional character and then have the gall to pretend this ain't no generalepic """discussion""" you've got here
>>725716035I don't think you know what a general is.
>>725716035You will LITERALLY act like a complete faggot and then have the gall to say that you're not.
>>725716443right, /v/ does not allow generals, ergo any thread on /v/ is not a generalgod bless prescriptivism>>725716507yeah imagine being more obnoxious than a flaming homofaggot, life of a deltarune theorizer must be miserableplease look forward to 7 more years of wringing blood out of this stone, surely you won't descend into pure lunacy
>>725717102>yeah imagine being more obnoxious than a flaming homofaggotWhat's it like? Figured I'd ask a pro.
>>725717476come on anon, NO U is a weakass reply, come up with a better insultanything goes to bump the thread i suppose
>>725715869nta but seeing how they're different could be interesting too, but that's never gonna happen and pussy footing around here about how you both totally have good reasons not to go find out is just getting nothing done.
>>725717754I don't want to find out. I think the whole affair is stupid. Anyways, if you want to change the discussion back to a better topic I'd be happy to discuss that instead.
>>725693175for a nonbinary person, dating a man or a woman would both technically be heterosexual
>>725717754Isn't that a little uncalled for?
>>725717693It's the best response, because you can't respond to it. What are you gonna say? "Nuh uh!"Face it, anon. You've been met with a superior intellect. It's over.
>>725715956then this was all meaningless. I wouldn't want this in Dragon Quest, for example. It offers no enrichment whatsoever, just murders my entertainment.
>>725717918not really a lot else to talk about until chapter 5 comes out
>>725681346>>725682973>the skinny titans in the prophecy look like the knightI am now a believer of the two knight theory.
>>725718176it can't be...pwned by a retarded fanboy!?
>>725680256Hey Tobi. Wrote yourself into a corner again I see?Mine is:Deltarune takes place after Frisk / (YOU) / Chara merged after the Genocide run in Undertale, reason Kris looks like an older FriskThey do another run that results in the True Pacifist ending with Chara in control.After credits, Chara rebuilds the world and kills ALL humans on the surface off screen using the souls and some other method.This was the first rip ROARING booger penis event.Chara lives as Kris in the new world and has a very awkward upbringing on account of being a murder hobo but they do care about the monsters in the surface.Gastler survives the first ROARING and he want to destabilize the world because the ROARING caused the walls of reality to be thinner for him to get himself back to the physical realm.This could destroy the entire world in the process.Kris and others are aware of the plot.(YOU) reawaken because Kris needs to use the POWER of the Human SOUL to reseal the fountains.Kris is struggling to keep Frisk and (YOU) under control.Chara this time is the HERO trying to keep their world under control.Frisk does not even know what is going on because everyone he / she knew is dead, the soul represents Frisk when they aren't under the control of Chara or (You). Frisk has some willpower of their own but it is a tug of war between Chara and the player.(YOU) are not important but the WEIRD route is not Chara pulling the strings, it is (YOU) wanting out of the plot and Chara knows you are a blood thirsty asshole with no real objective other than morbid curiosity.There are a few characters that know who Kris really is, namely the Holidays.Papyrus will be revealed to be Asriel and Kris older brother, reason we have not seen him in Deltarune in Chapter 5.
>>725718441M-masaka...
>>725705718Could we maybe talk about this some more?
Please?
>>725719612there's some implication that when kris is told/ is saying that he's going 'nowhere', the bibliox is actually referring to kris' home, and kris doesn't want to leavemancountry seems to me kris' own little private world, a simple place he came up with as a kid where he (and his creations apparently) all just seem to relaxthis is presumably why he's in his light world appearance, as it's a 'separate' space from the fountain (this may also be because kris created the ch3 dark world and dark worlds reflect their creator)there's also that one note about non-men being ok'd in man country too, but that's another can of worms entirely so for now i'm just going to say it's for asriel/ dess/ susie when he wants to talk about private shit with them
>>725721828Maybe he's afraid of moving away.
>>725722552i think kris is afraid of moving on, that time is going forward whether he wants it to or notnoelle, asgore also seem to be the same way, carol is also heavily implied to also be like thisall they want is for things to go back to how they were when dess was around, whether they use her as a the focal point or not, the time she was still around seems to be when they were at their happiest, or at the very least when they remember being happy
>>725721828>that one note about non-men being ok'd in man country tooThat's there to appease the they/them crowd.
>>725722970Pretty sure it means the dinosaur he has a crush on, or you
I think there is a real chance that the conspiracy in Hometown runs deeper than a lot of people talk about and that many of the adults are in on it.I also think that Dess is dead or "forever gone", but there was no concrete proof so characters are clinging to hope of finding her.There are three knights: Carol, Rudy, and Asgore. They are the core team leading the investigation. Carol and Rudy are calculated, clinical, and very secretive. Asgore, bless his heart, lost his fucking mind and is clearly having some psychosis.
>>725725837It seems pretty clear Asgore was running around town talking crazy shit. Undyne 1,000% heard about it from him and the scene where you tell her about the dark worlds and she laughs at you could line up with her having heard it before. Would also explain how quickly she adapted to the dark world when ending up in it, getting her magic spear power down real quick and taking it seriously as an important matter and not a dream (like Noelle thought it was). Asgore told her about it and how it works and when she found herself there she realized he wasn't crazy and what he told her gave her some knowledge on how to "work it".Toriel, on the other hand, clearly thinks Asgore is fucking insane. This could be why she slept through her time in the dark world because, like Noelle, she thought it was a weird dream and just wanted to snooze it off. Accepting it would also be scary for her because it would mean she'd have to face what Asgore was saying might actually have been true. Probably why she got drunk the next night, she was probably kind of messed up by it and feeling very strange and wanted to just party and pretend nothing happened.
>>725726169Supposing Carol or Rudy was the knight, it makes sense why they would want to "disappear" Undyne, even if just for a little bit. Take her to the bunker, let her in on the secret, and in a culty way "reeducate" her so she keeps her mouth shut and doesn't do what Asgore did and make a scene around Hometown. The same logic would be why Carol stripped Asgore of his job on the police force and has basically become his tard wrangler. If Carol had it her way, Asgore would know nothing about this and she and Rudy would be doing this alone, but Asgore KNOWS and there is no erasing his memory of what he knows is true, so he has to be kept on a bit of a leash.I believe Father Alvin was brought in on it. He's clearly very meek and the type that can keep a secret (he's a damn priest after all). Probably still kept in the dark (pun not intended) of the grand scope, but was used as a guinea pig to test what the dark worlds can do by DIGGING UP HIS OWN FATHERS GRAVE AND DESECRATING HIS REMAINS. That's not normal and he clearly DID NOT want to do it. He was called to duty by someone - he's in on it, but he's more of a grunt in the conspiracy.
>>725726169Honestly it'd be pretty messed up if Asgore was aware of Dark World, and the only one that believed him was Rudy.Especially given that Rudy seemingly has knowledge of whether or not you're on the weird route or not.
>>725680256CMYK and its variantsall lightner battle icons are Cyan (Kris), Magenta (Susie), or Yellow (Noelle)Key gets a pass because of the Vessel and its monochome natureAnyway CMYK is the intended vessel playthrough order. Starting with Kris as the cage that binds and provides an unbreakable path, normal ending leads to "Susie since Chapter 1" for the ability to ACT in ways Kris never would, Snowgrave has "Noelle since Chapter 1" for the power to forcefully FIGHT anyone who tries to stop you, and the Vessel to become a truly foreign element using the obligatory time shenanigans (and shadow crystals which are also time shenanigans) that cannot be stopped to SAVE those you've seen, spoke to, and slaughtered.
>>725726594And tho I don't really see evidence for it, I suspect Alphys is also in on it. I don't see Carol, Rudy or Asgore as cooking up an idea like graverobbing to experiment with the dark worlds, but Alphys 100% would. She is the "theoretical physicist" working with the conspiracy crew to craft ideas on manipulating the dark worlds to try to achieve their goals.Last but not least, Kris (and potentially Asriel). Kris was there for the event that sparked this all and knows more than anyone else involved. Asgore probably knows more than Carol and Rudy (tho it made him lose his mind), who know more than Alphys, who knows more than Alvin. Maybe even a bit of an Eva parallel of "Get in the dark fountain, Kris." [They] know more than anyone, and that makes them essential to the mission.
>>725725837Let's throw some shit at the wall and see what sticks:Hometown works on a Cabin in the Woods situation where the prophecy repeats forever, with three heroes being sacrificed to keep the world from ending. Mr. Cattenheimer lost his arm because he was the Berdly of a previous group of heroes. However, the demand for human heroes has outstripped the supply due to the prophecy speeding up and needing more frequent sacrifices. Kris has a dramatic reveal where he pulls up his sweater to reveal he has no bellybutton; the shelter has been converted into a lab to mass produce "human enough" vessels to be piloted by borrowed human souls summoned from Elsewhere. Kris is special because he somehow survived and is now a hero for the second time. He, Dess, and a Darkner hero were the most recent sacrificial heroes. Dess became the Roaring Knight after dying because that's how it works; the Roaring Knight is always one of the previous heroes, tasked with toughening up the new group to make sure they're proper sacrifices. Kris, using knowledge of the prophecy, purposefully changed it so that Susie was the hero instead of Noelle, wanting to save Noelle from getting Knighted by her sister and not caring if some bully dies as a result. He wants the Shadow Crystals to see if he can break the prophecy cycle for good, but he doesn't think there's an actual chance.As the authorities of the town, Asgore and Carol are privy to the dark truths. There's built-in security for secrecy because of how insane the truth sounds.
The characters are aware of the soul which is why they refer to Kris with those pronouns. They know Kris is a dude but when they talk they're literally referring to two people, Kris and the soul
>>725680256>Knight is the Kris's Knife>Knight is the Kris's Knife>Knight is the Kris's Knife
>>725726625Or at the very least, it'd be probably really shit for Asgore to be caught inbetween Carol who knows and Rudy his only confidant.
>>725727360that's retarded
>>725680256Kris actually is just straight up evil and the weird route will be the only way to somehow circumvent the terrible end of the prophecy that's been hinted at
>>725729185>force him to do evil>KRIS IS EVILi don't get it
>>725729341>reading comprehension
>>725713937>forgetting mother 3
>>725729185To add upon thisKris is actively working against us by being an evil ass fountain opener and limiting our agencyIn the weird route we're able to attain more freedom (spamtoms entire schtick is about freedom and that's why he helps us start weird route in the first place) and actively work against the prophecy by fucking over Kris. Kris is called a cage in the prophecy, a cage for us the soul to limit what we can do in the deltarune world so everything stays streamlined for the prophecy to end like how it's supposed to
>>725729706susie is also a fountain opener and limiting our agency so she must also be evil
>>725729480not really
>>725729965?
>>725730034I mean I get what you're going for with this, but it's almost too general to really draw a comparison.Especially since Boney sniffing the masked man and not smelling anything is meant to speak to how heavily roboticized Claus is, and Kris is intentionally withholding information from the player
>>725680256I'm convinced Kris slash is real.
>>725711585It's a thread schizo who the jannies keep around to derail the threads with his literal who drama. You can't really argue with him or try to make him stop his stalking.>>725716035It's literally just one schizo who posts toddler porn when things don't go his way or people discuss things he doesn't like. If he didn't ban evade or jannies did their job this wouldn't happen
>>725731294People were fine talking before you showed upMr. "Everyone is totally stalking that guy who I tried to Phish and pissed off all his friends"
>>725680256Gerson's name never having been said in the dark world is important and ties into the Suzy / Susie discrepancy
>>725731871I'm pretty sure they say Gerson in the dark world, Susie just calls him Old Man, right?
>>725680256Deltarune will end with the roaring happening and fucking up the world beyond any saving. The only way to unfuck it will be manipulating the timeline and creating the one in Undertale where monsters and humans started fighting. The "only one way" prophecy tells about is to sacrifice lives of many humans and monsters who will die and/or never be born in that timeline
>>725731506People are still fine talking even with YOU here. I still find it funny you decided to ruin the threads just because one anon refused to help your stalking to the point you see them everywhere. Are you going to spam childporn again because that random guy is totally here, faggot?
>>725732069not him, but taking a quick look through the text dump, the only time his name is mentioned is in the light world.though if it's worth anything it seems like he's referred to as gerson internally in the files.
>>725729358yesexplain it to me
>>725732069No, they don't, actually.
>>725732243Weird, I could have sworn I remembered someone referring to him as Gerson at some point, my mistake.
>>725729185>>725729706My personal "Kris is evil" headcanon is that the promise is actually to steal Ralsei's body.
>>725680256>nobody mentioned the 'monsters don't shit and that's why sans is a darkner' theory yet
Falseflagging pedo...Leave the thread.
I genuinely don't get who they think they're fooling.On the bright side, at least it's only the one person who's awful and we can talk about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-meqTM6arI
>>725696278I'll never forget the day of hussie doe. I wonder if the schizos of the chapter 5 era will ever be able top that
>>725734325Are you going to spam child porn because your boogeyman is supposedly here, faggot?
>>725734690Obviously not because I'm not you retard, now discuss the game or gtfo
>>725734325That faggot mindbroken over Chara?True. He's a shitty falseflagger and on top of that defended a pedoposter, then conveniently shifts the pedoposting onto somebody else in a bout of revisionist history (as if people can't spot his mannerisms from a mile away at this point). Like damn, at least do it WELL...
>>725734779Everybody was talking shit about you when you entered the thread and nobody cares about this phishers you've imagined in your mind
>>725734779You are the one not discussing the game. I was here since the start of the thread, but the moment you come in you derail it with your shitty drama because you act like a shitty /vg/ thread personality down to even being obsessed with one guy and thinking everyone that hates you must be him. Heck, even in this thread there are at least 4 people calling you out immediately when you posted. Now, are you going to spam childporn because you are mad again?
take this retarded drama back to /utg/ and talk about some fucking theories you niggers
>>725735019Hey don't look at me, I'm not the one same fagging a dozen replies pretending to be multiple people. I just wanna talk about the man.
>>725735089And also the potential reality that the man is in fact, Kris.Which is what I think presently.
Unironically: Do you think there is even a ghost of a chance Dess is actually a bad person?
>>725735019Blame>>725735089 who literally acts like a /vg/ poster. His immediate first post was bringing his shitty drama like he always does, and now he's acting like /vg/nigger thinking only one person hates his off-topic nigger ass.
>>725735160I get the feeling she did something to Kris.
>>725734801i can't spot iteveryone acts the same
>>725692643
>>725735489>"We are not going to be talking about Gaster..."
>>725735323He's talking about this guy>>725711337Basically the guy that mentions his off-topic off-site drama in every Deltarune thread in an attempt to ruin them, and then plays victim by saying "he just wants to talk about the game". He also posts child porn when he is mad.
>>725735323Now, I could be wrong, but I think it's pretty obvious who's sticking out like a sore thumb
>>725735850Yeah, the /vg/-esque thread personality who merely by showing up had five people call him out, but because he is an autistic /vg/-esque thread personality he thinks it's one guy to cope with his patheticness.
Dess molested Kris and Toriel killed her in a drunken rage and forgot about it and Asgore took the blame
Deltarune was made by Gaster, as in, the whole game and everything in it. It's all a metaphor for the act of artistic creation itself.The whole game is about an artist/creator obsessing over their creation, and losing touch with reality in the process.>One day, he fell into his creation and...>MY DELTARUNE
>>725736851This is also what I believe. I posted that earlier in the thread but I think Deltarune is an actual simulation and the world outside of Hometown doesn't exist.
>>725735019technically the yagi thing is a theory about deltarune but yeah the gay retard sperg out is totally unnecessary.
>>725738420It's barely related to Deltarune at this point, and it's just some bitter faggot about some anon from 3 months ago that didn't help his stalking making that everyone's else problem. A random kid problems is NOT Deltarune related.
>>725689795>people want to trannify Ralsei badly because he's femininepre-transition/repressing trans woman, feminine>but Susie being masculine and a woman doesn't make anyone headcanon her as transpost-transition trans woman, butch/feminine>because nobody cares about trans meni care :)
>>725738906i don't really get what would make it less related to deltarune because you made yourself look stupid over and over again but like i said your retard sperg out is completely unneccessary
>>725739203Oh, it's just you samefagging again. Please tell me how anything involving this >>725731506 is Deltarune related.>But an anon from this thread did this!Tell me any evidence that actually happened and that someone from this site did it, and how that isn't a Discord tier drama you always bring up.
>>725739442i mean clearly you're the guy that did it because you're this mad about a picture making fun of you and telling you to quit being a retard
>>725739249>>725739403
>>725739664Susie does roar sometimes.
>>725739597>No evidence except deflection for the thousandth time I am mad because these threads are about discussing DELTARUNE, not some off-site drama as if this were your discord server. Get a name so I can at least filter you so I don't have to hear about it again
>>725680256Michael is kris' deadname from before they became a they/them, and a lot of kris' traumas stem from this "mike" identity krisis.That's why mike is so localized in kris' house and tied to tenna/asgore, and what all the mike room stuff is about with tenna/asgore visiting mike's room and getting sad, so they have to put on a fake identity
>>725739793Why don't you just permanently fuck off instead of crying about this "off-site drama" caused entirely by you being dumb as fuck and hoping nobody would catch you doing it despite like a couple dozen people watching.
>>725680256I didn't play it because it's gay.
>>725740059>Mike...
>>725740059Don't we get to see the actual Mike(rophone) in the Mike room?
>>725740128>Dropped the fake lowercase posting because people saw it throughNigger, YOU are the one who needs to leave. I am not the only person that hates you making these threads into your personal discord server. Either get a name, or GTFO. Or just spam child porn again to get the thread nuked like you did last time.
>>725739082Kris is trans man
>>725740657FemKrisbros, not like this...
>>725740570>Dropped the fake lowercase posting because people saw it throughA. I'm a different personB. You are not multiple people.Go be a faggot somewhere else
>>725740356technically it's not really confirmed but that probably is the "actual" mike
>>725680256Frustratingly, i remember i had a schizo theory when i finished chapter 4, but i forgot.
>>725740862No, you're not a different person. People can see your pathetic samefagging from a mile away when you use the same pictures with the same filenames but with different typing styles, and I unlike you I am not the only one who complained about your shitty Tumblr blog stalking. At least another 3 people did. Now fuck off from these threads, or get a name since you already think this is Discord. Or just post child porn like you do when you are mad people discuss things you don't like.
>>725738420You can't just claim something is a "theory about Deltarune" with no actual proof to back it up just so you can obsess over your pet e-celeb.
>>725741138gaster ate your theory
>>725740059Mike is either FRIEND or a gag character.
>>725740794it's easier to reverse women doing ityou can save her
>>725741278That faggot is unable to bring proof of any of his e-celeb drama he constantly brings it up. I am starting to think he's the janny that kept deleting the threads and got fired trying to ruin the threads by derailing them with his /vg/drama.
>>725741357I want to ruin her more though.
>>725730130toby has literally stated hes directly influenced by mother 3, the hell are you talking about?
>>725732230>everyone who criticizes me is the same person
>>725680256Not really schizo or a theory but...
>>725741357Most women technically don't troon out and are just they/them. Which is kind of evidence of female KFC if you think about it.
>>725741963You are the only one who does that lmao. Everyone is le phisher samefag schizo.
>>725741968that is a really good-looking Dess
>>725741784I'm saying strictly speaking even if there could be a masked man parallel in the roaring knight, Kris refusing to identify them and Boney being unable to identify Claus are two different things.
>>725741968>And well, there is a tree.
I hope that we get one more schizo boss, three is a good number to end on.
>>725741968Canon btw
>>725742060ah, id agree then. that post is reaching.
>>725742213Eram is kind of a schizo boss.
The element system feels half-baked, like it's only there for some jury rigged exposition rather than an actual gameplay element. I remember thinking before the chapters came out that 3 and 4 were gonna use the system more but not really it's only used in a handful of fights.
>>725742462two more chapters bro trust the planmaybe by then we'll also get to figure out what the hell is with the hidden mystery stats for the darkners on the recruits page is
>>725742425Eh, kinda, not really.
>>725741968i have pedoshit fatigue
>>725742462That's alot of retarded shit between 1,2 and 3,4. This game is most likely going to turn shit by 5,6 in 7 years when toby forgets the characters names
>>725680256K. Round is foreshadowing for the Titans.>both are described as violent, nearly-unbeatable creatures>neither are able to understand mercy(mechanically at least)>both are defeated by the Susie's Idea ACTIf this is true, we'll have a rematch in a later chapter with another Titan, this time under the control of someone else, like K. Round was controlled by Roulxs.Some other tidbits:>the only other enemy with the Susie's Idea ACT is Werewire, an enemy under mind control>the Titan's theme is GUARDIAN, K. Round becomes the Castletown jail's guard dog>checkers come in red and black- K. Round is red, the Titan is black
>>725742462The element system is theory bait and because it's from games Toby likes, like Chrono Trigger.
>>725741968Toby will never go down this route and he's a coward for that. Probably not even "Kris wants to fuck Dess".
>>725742046nta, but take you should really take your meds
>>725742928A shame he's too much of a pussy to do something even remotely similar, since it would be genuinely unnerving.Although the Noelle weird route shit in chapter 4 gives me hope.
>>725743063I am not the one who's seeing a phisher everywhere and derrails every thread to talk about it.
>Gets called out for shittily falseflagging>Pretends to be a different guy by using lower-case >Outs himself because he cannot shit the fuck up about phishingYeah, uh, not even trying anymore are we?>Inb4 "Samefag!" Or "Swing and a miss, cocksucker."Hopefully this thread has shown you there are legitimately several different people just making fun of you nowadays.
>>725743503The biggest problem is that all those "people" are always obsessed with the same shitty "you're the phisher" guy and defending that take. If he at least tried to have them talk about other things he wouldn't be so obvious because he's the only one who actually cares about this shit.
>>725743503>>725743708i'm sure the 20 post long pant brown melt down definitely totally proved you are definitely multiple people and not a retard who tries to phish people
alright i don't know who's who and i don't give a shit but everybody needs to shut the fuck up already
>>725680256>Chara is in cahoots with Gaster as his lab assistant.>Gaster wants to "create a new future" with you, but he needs to know if you're ready and (most importantly) capable of going in between the lines, going outside of the boundaries, and changing the course of a story; for better or for worse.>His interest was piqued when the True Pacifist Route happened, then the Genocide Route, and then the player did enough resets (or direct manipulation of the fun_value) to hear his theme, listen to his followers, read his entry, and meet him directly.>The Genocide Route specifically was of particular interest since it went well beyond the beaten path and allowed his assistant to make first contact.>Her facade as a "demon", true or not, at the end of the genocide route is nothing more than to spook the player, but nothing further (she's still a prankster).>After obtaining your SOUL, and having fun with it in the "Soulless" True Pacifist endings, she then formally delivers it to Gaster so that he can begin the connection.>Thus, setting the events of Deltarune into motion.
> His schizophrenia is acting up againIt's okay bro, just take the advice and stop making yourself look like a bumbling moron.Now shut the fuck up, be a good little faggot, and talk about the game rather than going chimp-brain.
>>725743846Unlike you, nigger, I can provide proof of being multiple people, while all you do is reflect. >>725743950The schizo keeps replying to older posts to defend himself because he thinks people can't see through him. He's unable to discuss the game.
>>725744090shut the fuck up>>725744136shut the fuck upstop posting
>>725744217I will go back at ignoring his posts, after-all, this is /v/, not /vg/ where he should be. If he had a name to be filtered this wouldn't happen.
>>725743846Come now, janny immunity doesn't exist.Samefagging doesn't exist.I find it hilarious that the cocksucker bit made him that mad, I only pull that out when a certain snoy someone is having a meltdown in the famitsu threads
>>725743950From what I gather, there's the one guy who really wants to force his "this random faggot on discord was instrumental in the creation of Deltarune" and will never provide proof of it, and then there's the other guy who is deathly opposed to the first guy.Both are faggots but it's also an undeniable truth that the first guy's shit is off-topic.
>>725744302>Schizo is from Famitsu threads. Of course, those are the most /vg/ "poopdickschizo" threads on /v/. Now stay there and stop bringing that culture here, retard.
>>725744036>Chara post genocide just spend her/his day working as a lab assistant out of boredom.Kind of funny desu.
>>725744036I don't know if that's true or not but I like the Deltarune's SOUL being Frisk's SOUL, so I support this.
>>725744552Main issue is it would make genocide the "canon" ending in a way.
>>725744325>and then there's the other guy who is deathly opposed to the first guy.There's multiple people that don't like that schizo, it's just that the schizo believes it's all one guy. He probably thinks you're the guy because you said his shit is off-topic.
>>725744393Hit a nerve?
>>725744662Yeah, that's why I don't believe it myself. It's just a hypothetical.
>>725744728Just that those threads are cancer, filled with several tripfags and namefag drama, which you clearly want to bring here to these threads to ruin them.
>>725744136>picthat's not evidence of shit and you know that>>725743171Again, take your meds>>725732069He's almost exclusively referred to as the Old Man or the Hammer of Justice.
>>725744916>that's not evidence of shit and you know thatMore evidence than you bring up, especially when you're so obvious due to the fact you can't shut up about your off-site drama and accuses everyone of it.
>>725744302oh no, totally samefagging totally exists but it's definitely not the guy totally freaking out and crying that people need to stop calling him a phisher it's actually everyone else.
>>725744916>>725745010you niggas need to learn when to drop argumentsof course i'm being a bit hypocritical by posting this but if it gets you to shut up it'll be worth it
>>725741784Dess was Asriel’s maybe girlfriend and all of Kris’ hangups about Dess are an extension of Kris’ self-hatred of their humanity. They believed that if they were born a monster like Asriel (this is what Ralsei represents, a happier and sweeter monster-Kris), then Kris would be happy and loved by everyone and not an outcast and Kris would have a coolgirl monster GF who shows them NSFW music videos on Monster MTV and Toriel would be proud of them and Asgore and Toriel would stop fighting and Asriel would come back and i’d stop wanting to use my knife to cut off my skin every time i see a token human on a commercial and the shitty heart demon would leave and that FAGGOT Berdly would stop reminding me to return my brother’s library book and GIVE ME BACK MY BEST FRIEND NOELLE YOU DIPSHIT GAY BIRD I WANT EVERYTHING TO GO BACK TO NORMAL WHY COULDN’T IT HAVE JUST BEEN LIKE IT WAS
>>725745159Nobody is crying about being called a phisher or not, just that you derrail threads with your off-topic drama. I would even take you actually providing proof this even happened and an anon from here did. But you don't, you just vaguepost and derrail threads and accuse everyone of being it.
>>725745264This is why I think if Kris isn't just trying to rescue Dess he wants to steal Ralsei's body and that is the promise.
>>725680256the knight is deceased dess being carried around in a black glass urn by asgoreforeshadowed by the encounter with asgore in the holiday house and the fact we learn that dead people can be brought back (temporarily) like gerson. all the dark areas have a closet or something large enough for asgore to hide in and he is big enough/used to be a cop so he has someway of dealing with undyne at end of chapter 4
>>725745241I will try to ignore the schizo from now on since he won't stop trying to make these threads unusable and it's worthless to engage with him.
>>725680256>The Shadow Crystals are fragments of Dess's SOUL.>The Pure Crystal is her soul repaired.>With it, you can revive Dess and have her come home, rather than her being doomed by the narrative like Asriel was in Undertale.
>>725745241The shit that went down on Halloween is what spurred this shit on, but I agree.
>>725745590Actually we're just going to finish the job and completely erase December so that there is no memory of her. That way the game can keep working normally.
>>725745590or we can turn her into a Bitchin' Sword
>>725727360What if soul like (you) are a completely normal part of human biology in Delttarune? Like every human their own little soul, with its own separate mind and will, which they share a body with.
>>725680256Deltarune is about a white person (human) growing up in an ethnic slum.
>>725744393>>725745159His least-obvious samefag within the last few days. I should give your faggot ass a round of applause for at least now trying once you were called out. Dumbass
>>725742060you do realise that writers can allude to other works without the diegetic events being identical, right?
>>725680256Flowey is going to be our 3rd party member for Chapter 5. Remember back in Chapter 1, everyone thought Ralsei was evil because he had so many parallels to Flowey? This is going to be the reason for all that. I forget what, but there was some bit of merchandise where Toby left the comment "Ralsei is always getting mixed up with flowers(that hasn't happened yet)". That's because Flowey, the golden flower in Asgore's shop, is going to be impersonating him. Asgore's Dark World is going to be similar to Susie's in the fact that everyone's colors are going to be messed up. But since it's a different creator- a different perspective- the colors will be different to the 2nd Sanctuary ones. So when Ralsei shows up having turned yellow, no one will even question it. Of course, "Ralsei" will be acting off all chapter, maybe just in subtle ways. In the normal events of the chapter, there'll be some standard reveal where you meet the real Ralsei, and have to save him. But if you go for the secret boss? "Ralsei" leads you down a path that leads to Asgore's old TV. Using that, and the power of the black shard, you and Susie have a rematch against Omega Flowey.
>>725745962Chapter 5 might prove me wrong, but that's got to be Weird Route-exclusive as a means of actually killing Dess (assuming she is the Knight) to finalize the route. But since we can obtain the Thorn Ring and still abort the route by sparing Berdly, who knows what it would do from there? Only equivalent outcome I can think of for that is Undertale Yellow's Flawed Pacifist ending.
>>725746138>Treated with nothing but love and kindnessI buy it.
>>725744916Ew, dont respond to my Gerson post. Aren't you the pedophile?
>>725735160Yes. I think Dess could actually be an allegory for childhood abuse victims developing attachments to their abusers. I don't think it will be rape, but much like snowgrave it may be an allegory for it. We were all meming about rape and mindbreak in the chapter 2 days, then we got the couch scene in chapter 4. I could see those Dess molested Kris memes being a similar case of us picking up subtext without realizing.
>>725735160Yeah. She's a cunt.And Kris murdered her (accidentally)
>>725737394While Deltarune may have started as a simulation, I think its become something beyond that now. Somehow its become more real than a fantasy, just like the dark worlds which claim to be fake, yet are real and can kill you.>>725736851The game itself is definitely a metaphor for that
>has a personal connection to kris>has strong ties to another potential antagonist >is only fought in a weird “game inside a game”We’re 100% going to encounter this fucker again
>>725746475To be fair, the subtext for the weird route was far more obvious. Spamton even called her your side chick.
>>725746167You missed
>>725740059What if Michael was Kris's birth name, and the Dreemurrs changed it when they adopted him, so he associates the name with his trauma surrounding humans?
>>725746167The first post is (me), not the schizo. Famitsu threads are awful filled with tripniggers and namefag drama, which completely explains their behavior. Anyways, Deltarune is fun.
>>725746874>Didn't use the "Swing and a miss, cocksucker" because he was called out on it alreadyPffft HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>725681049Whats with autist using self made dialogs and characters acting like mouthpiece? Its cringe as fuck
>>725746231I believe this because Dragon Blazers implies the fiery mage will leave the party.
>>725746952My bad dawg, mistakes were made...
>>725742928He did a rape scene in the weird route.
Not a theory, but I like that Mike was just a throwaway reference to a commercial that became so hyped by the fanbase that an actual character named Mike was added in a small role.
>>725735160No. After Toby went out of his way to redeem Chara as a cinnamon roll precious baby Dess is going to be even more of a tomboy princess mary sue than Susie.
>>725746267Yeah, it's the local thread schizo. Better to ignore him from now on, though.
Dess is the guitar.I don’t know if anyone has speculated this yet. But I’m guessing within the guitar is Dess’s monster ashes, similar to how Gerson was able to exist. The reason Dess is distorted in the dark world might be due to Carol (or Rudy’s) grief for them.My other similar theory is that Dess’s light world and dark world counterparts have been swapped (light world Dess being the guitar and dark world Dess being the knight) by some Gaster bullshit and is now this corrupted amalgam.
>>7257471581: He backed away from the defloration imagery right away. 2: It was HEAVILY sub textual.I could at best accept Dess being abusive physically with HINTS of sexual abuse. But having a scene of any character actually state straight up that she molested Kris, or even hinting at it, seems impossible.
>>725747249While Dess being buried by having her ashes spread on her guitar does make sense. Most implication seems to be that she's missing, not confirmed dead.
>>725746737I believe this. Gaster talks a lot about Deltarune growing with our hope. I think it might have started as one, but our care made it real.
>>725747206It's plausible, Toby added a reference to the Ralsei bimboification edits on /v/ and the Ralsei is 12 inches and getting bigger meme.Of course the latter is in the chapter 3 debug room.
>>725740356That depends on if you think toby did an entire 3-chapter plot line just to end it on a gag
>>725683551Papyrus obviously, why else would it constantly aura farm, it wants to be cool
>>725743063bold words coming from the Terry A Davis of monsters
>>725747087It happens when people are talking. Sometimes it's hard to keep track of different anons.
>>725741968I don't know how i feel about that...
>>725747017Seriously, meds.
>>725740356I think Mike is either FRIEND or that microphone.
>>725747206The mike room stuff isn't just canon, it's noelle sweepstakes autism canon. I don't think it's just a meme.
>>725747224That day was still crazy ngl. I never thought would elaborate on THAT of all things.
>>725745383What if the knight was able to capture Undyne so easily because she stopped resisting the instant she recognized who it was?
>>725746775I want to call you a retard but somehow even stupider people think it's never gonna show up again.
>>725747821>Proceeds to change the fandom's entire perception of Chara 10 years later by saying she also gets saved by completing True Pacifist.How long do you think he's been waiting to talk about Gaster?
No charafag by the way.Total coincidence.
>>725748013>Added a colored door in the livestream just to fuck with us.A lot. He probably wants to make a shitton of Gaster shit and tell us he's mystery man but he can't.
>>725740059Mike is in reference to FRIEND retard-kun.FRIEND is a Maneki-neko.Those waving feline totems that are said to invite VALUE and LOVE into their owner's life.
>>725746814We've got stuff like >"What a shame, all it could do was repeat what it knew."and all that repressed trauma Kris has. That could all be foreshadowing for the reveal of Dess being his abuser.
>>725748106>>725747639Follow your words so you don't spam childporn again.
>>725735160Yes 100% anybody who says otherwise is coping. She abused kris and abandoned her sister.
>>725748013He didn't change my perception, the chara we see in the game and the chara toby was talking about feel like different characters. I think the vision he has about his own characters isn't well represented in the game or he changed his mind through the years. Unironically a moment where death of the author has to be applied
>>725747351And that ties in thematically with dark worlds and our engagement with video games as a medium. Its all fiction until we come to believe it and it becomes real to us.
>>725748013>>725748202Gaster is friend, and toby is barely containing his load about it.
>>725748294Nta, but meds.
>>725746775What if ERAM is actually a goat because its Kris's original fursona? The object its based on is very likely the horn headband.
>>725748238Mike isn't friend
>>725747224I don't see how you can call that redemption. He just called Asriel a simp.
>>725748371Chara in game is super vague which is why there's five million different interpretations. All Toby said was that Chara was SAVED/present in pacifist and Asriel still cared about them. (Outside of Toby being a fan of them).
>>725747269Then we'll get a very thinly veiled rape metaphor with Dess. Combined with a Stockholm syndrome metaphor.
>>725748648People still think genocide is chara's fault
>>725745962That could be a deviation required to get the good end.> Create the pure crystal> Nothing happens, you just get an item> Continue on the weird route, Use up the pure crystal to create the twisted sword.> Abandon the weird route, don't do anything with the pure crystal so that later it can be used to necromance Dess or whateverMost first time players would instinctively want to use the newly gained resource to gain a powerful weapon.They wouldn't pause to consider whether the resource itself comes into player later, because games haven't trained them to think like that.This seems like something Toby might play around with.
>>725748770Those are unironically dumb people. Even in 2016 most people had Frisk do genocide at first and then Chara possesses her instead of doing genocide all on her own.
>>725748648If anything that sounds like a confirmation of something like narachara or Frisk being Chara's reincarnation.
>>725748501Sorry to break it to you, but yes, Mike is FRIEND.
>>725748426That schizo posted childporn and after he ban evaded he immediately went on a rant explaining why posting Chara is worser than the childporn posted. It's not schizophrenia when it happens.
>>725748013Chara being saved was always implied. True Pacifist route more or less ends with Chara seemingly passing on peacefully (Assuming you don't reset) and that was understood for a long time.
>>725746251You can get thornring without doing weird route, by doing a clopen run of chapter 2
>>725748895> 'Chara did the genocide'> That's stupid, obviously frisk did the genocideYou're both idiots.(You) did the genocide.
>>725748648>Chara in game is super vague>Murder everyone>It's me, Chara!
>>725748972Barely. It's just proof the most popular fan theories were correct. The biggest one is the "SAVE Chara" shit but that doesn't really mean much.
>>725749175Chara literally openly says "you did this". They even go so far as to say "You showed me the way".
>>725749169I said "most people in 2016" said that, not me. It's (you) who do all the routes, obviously.
>>725749294>sees violence, violence is goodwhy is this kid so dumb?
>>725749378It worked, didn't it? He finally got everything he wanted.
>>725749228How else would Chara be saved if they weren't in some way present for your entire journey through the game?
>>725749378Chara is SOULLESS like Flowey during the events of the game.
>>725749510I mean, yeah, but I always thought that was extremely obvious due to the SAVE having their name.
>>725749378Autistic sociopath. She wants everything to be as efficient as possible and has a critical lack of empathy. You killing literally everything showed her that it was the most efficient way to get power and to change the world.
>>725680256>the most schizo deltarune theory you've seenDeltarune is just Undertale with the letters rearranged.
>deltarune thread>charafaggotry takes overfor fucks sake
>>725749618That. combined with all the flashbacks and the narrator saying things only Chara would know means Chara is very strongly attached to Frisk in some way. Either she is Frisk in a past life or has somehow come to haunt or possess them.
>>725749738Are you going to post childporn because people talked about that character again?
>Deltarune thread hijacked by retard whining about "off-topic" posts to engage in a samefag circlejerk about a character from an entirely different game for the 700th time because he thinks it's /vg/
>>725749771Frisk falling in Chara's grave made Chara's essence stick into her. Think of Frisk being a golden flower and Chara being Asriel’s dust on top of it.Anyways we should go back to talking about Deltarune before the schizo posts CP again. Could Dess also be attached to Kris and explain how the Knight could see they were about to leap through the window at the end of Chapter 4?
>>725749881>>725749797
>>725749738How about this for a topic of discussion? All the Dreemurr boys have a fetish for toxic and abusive women.>Toriel>Dess (x2)>Chara>Bratty>Noelle (only after freakification)>SusieBefore you ask>But Kris isn't related to AsgoreHe learned it from his surroundings. He saw Toriel and she became the model for a woman should be in his mind, he saw her and Asgore together and saw that as the model for what a relationship should be. Then Dess got with Asriel and gave him another model for the "ideal" relationship.
>>725749771>Either she is Frisk in a past life or has somehow come to haunt or possess them.Chara haunting Frisk is literally explicit and always has been. The only thing in question was how much of a presence he had in the neutral and true pacifist route and the awnser seems to be "Quite a bit". Really, at this point, the biggest mystery is Frisk.
>>725746775>susie refuses to wear a bow but is fine wearing that
>>725749797i just got here jagoffcool it
>>725750035>Could Dess also be attached to Kris and explain how the Knight could see they were about to leap through the window at the end of Chapter 4?My insane headcanon is that the knight is the result of Dess ash being spread on kris soul.
>>725750134no no, you might be on to something
>>725750134chara is male
>>725680256The annoying white dog is Gaster, he appears in almost every scene, can clip through time and space, there’s a huge pile of dog food in the lab, and the W. D. In W. D. Gaster stands for White Dog.
>>725750168Frisk is definitely the most mysterious human and at this point the one Toby probably cares about the least. Heck, he even called her ugly in the art book.
>>725750035>Could Dess also be attached to Kris and explain how the Knight could see they were about to leap through the window at the end of Chapter 4?Could be sort of a "think of Susie" or "think of Noelle" situation. Some kind of remote connection that lets them sense each other's actions and feelings from far away. The only other character you can do that for is The Knight.
>>725750253I remember the comic of that being really cool.
>>725750362It's hard to say since I wouldn't be surprised if we get some kind of screwball about Frisk thrown our way later on in Deltarune. Really, Frisk suffered early on from her main role just being "Sans girlfriend". Some pretty interesting fan fics actually trying to give her character though.
.>>725750104Yeah we already know what you did>Reee everyone that hates me is the samefaggerMeanwhile you samefag>Reeee you're stalking a kidYou phished them and are probably stalking him and get angrier every day you can't be him and honestly someone should REALLY fucking warn him.>You try to make every thread about yourselfThis thread as one of but countless examples since June>You spam cp when you get mad!!So the story goes...
>>725750168Frisk is either Chara reincarnated, only becoming a wholly new person and abandoning her past life in True Pacifist. Or she really is just some unfortunate schmuck who got chosen to become the player's vessel for a few hours.
>>725750134You might as well have to filter which women aren't toxic or abusive in these worlds.Alphys? Toxic in sort of a liar and annoying; Undyne is violent but too much of a goober, Catty? Bratty? Muffet? I suppose Tem isn't mean.
>>725750484It is, and also the main reason why I have the theory. That and it does seem like the most plausible theory for the knights identity.
>>725750282Kris may be female. Or maybe the Dreemurrs just like abusive relationships in general.
>>725750521Nice try, but in the thread you spammed CP none of the Chara posts got deleted when you were IP nuked. Meanwhile you conveniently showed up afterwards to defend it. You always deflect to le Charafag when people whine about you.
>>725750625Kris is the girl in the prophecy, but they hate that they’re being told who they are so they’re doing Knight shenanigans to affect the story
>>725750536>Frisk is either Chara reincarnatedFunny part is that is kind of possible if you assume souls reincarnate after being destroyed. >Or she really is just some unfortunate schmuck who got chosen to become the player's vessel for a few hours.My somewhat retarded headcanon is that Frisk suffered some kind of head trauma or was simply in such a bad emotional state it made her way more receptive to the players control. Similar to that one mime in yu gi oh who went mad after killing his parents.
>>725750573The lady in charge of the diner seems nice.
>>725750331I thought the dog food was for the amalgams.
>>725750485Maybe, but I also think Toby might be done with her. The best bet is Clam Girl's comment of "Suzy" being the reason Frisk fell in the larger scheme of things.
god please put these two faggots in a vat of molten steel /utg/ was a fucking mistake
>>725750814It is, but it was Gaster’s first. Alphys took over his lab
>>725750536Frisk grew too trough the runs, frisk's life probably wasnt as bad as the fandom makes it look but it was bad enough for the "adopt me" to be an option
>>725750891It's certainly possible. If anything Frisk has the most definitive ending anyway. Much though I would like to see adventures of her as a monster ambassador that is, honestly, best left to fanfics. >>725751043To be fair, there is a option where you aren't adopted. So, really, it might be up to you.
>>725750982this retarded shit is bordering on ACK autism, perhaps this is how legends are made
>>725750982utg doesn't even talk about chara anymore all they to these days is talk about periods and jerk off to tenna
>>725750765>Funny part is that is kind of possible if you assume souls reincarnate after being destroyed.I was think moreso in a Flowey kind of way. Frisk is Chara brought back to life as a soulless vessel and very little memory, which makes her/him/it/that very open to suggestion.
>>725750982We're here forever...
>>725750719You've already admitted to using a phone to samefag you dumbass, and you've had jannies remove images specifically making fun of you before.
>>725750982Funnily enough the schizo actually posted in /utg/ once in 2023 and was told to fuck off, which is why he doesn't post there even though he fits right in.
I genuinely hate Chara and to a degree Frisk as well because their characters are so underwritten yet play such important roles in the story, every discussion about them are headcanon on top of headcanon bullshit
>>725751123That's why i think it wasnt as badWe see frisk's room, is a normal room and frisk gets allowed to hang out with the monsters despite everything
>>725750982Its funny because both of these people are seething over a third schizo who isn't even in this thread. Its the schizo wars in here.
>>725751267I thought you weren't from /vg/?
>>725751183That seems less likely but I won't necessarily object to the concept. Interestingly enough, if we NEVER learn where the soul in Deltarune came from it is actually a lot more plausible. >>725751324Frisk or Kris? Because I don't think we ever see Frisk room unless they are adopted by the Dreemurr's.
>>725751224I never did any of this. It's funny you see phones and you immediately think they must only use them to samefag despite 90% of 4chan posters being phone posters. Says a lot about you.
>>725750891Why did they draw Frisk like that?
>>725751378>Um if I just pretend to be stupid people have to take my word for itYou did it in this thread you moron
>>725751340careful you'll get accused of being the pedospammer too
>>725751375Ah right my head mixed toriel's house room for frisk with the photo sceneWell frisk still gets to hang out at least so there is some amount of freedom there
>>725751415so it looks like a mushroomlike the mushroom npc that can't get out of its room
>>725751415Some western artists enjoy doing ugly art
>>725680256>There are two knightsIt's literally at the start of the gameSee ->>>725682973
>>725751123Toby basically endorsing fanfics and headcanons in the stream was honestly his most based moment.>>725751305That's why you need to learn how to IMAGINE. They're basically molds for you to make your own stories like Toby wants.
>>725751561It's very likely Frisk even still works as a monster ambassador in the non adoption ending. Overall though, obviously they kept in touch.
>>725751697>Toby basically endorsing fanfics and headcanons in the stream was honestly his most based moment.I'm torn on it because it also opens the door to the Touhou-fication of the fanbase.
>>725751340Who? The pedospammer? The phisher? Because the thread schizo still did defend the former and is obsessed over the latter despite probably not even posting here.
>>725680256Noelle can be linked to every single action the Knight has taken in the story. Kris is also extremely suspicious in how hard he tries to keep us from Noelle. The dark worlds also seem to contain only lore, settings and characters created by Noelle and Kris.Noelle's at the school before us. She tried to bait Alphys into sending herself and Susie to the closet. She mentions losing her house key and we find a suspiciously key-shaped darkner in a special way, Starwalker, who then appears in every chapter.Noelle is the one that invites us to the library, where a dark world catered entirely to her subconscious is waiting for us. She's even shown in a mock crucifixion and the Knight has holes in its hands. When we have Starwalker in the light world, Kris hides him from us for some reason and we never see his item. There are also the plugs that smile and try to bite Kris, something only Noelle would think of when making the fountain as they're mentioned in her blog.We know from the weird route that Kris visited Noelle before making the chapter 3 world, but who's to say he doesn't do that in the normal route too? ERAM speaks to Kris as if it knows him and knows things only Noelle would. The Knight then conveniently appears at a dark world it did not make, just in time to kidnap someone. The Christmas imagery at the Knight's fight is also very blatant.The church dark world is by far the most suspicious. Only someone in choir would know that choir practice was cancelled that day, and Noelle also knew Kris and Susie would be returning to the church to see Toriel. That world once again contains darkners and people Kris and Noelle made or knew, as Gerson was the teacher in the abandoned classroom before he died, the same classroom that contains the chapter 1 dark world. It also contains several piano puzzles tailored to Kris, and Noelle loves hearing Kris play.I am 100% certain that Noelle is the Knight at this point. She even has incredible motive.
>>725751516No, I didn't, but because phones only serve for samefagging for you, you assume others always do what you do.
>>725751697>They're basically molds for you to make your own stories like Toby wants.Then write some good fucking stories not this psycho shotacon wanking GARBAGE
>>725751305Chara has A LOT of lore behind her and characterization even now as confirmed narratorFrisk is more subtle but what frisk does in the slight moments of freedom and how frisk chooses to do all the actions reflect frisk's personality, what we barely know is her background
>>725751356I saw it in the archive but you should go back there.
>>725751415I don't know. I kinda like the aesthetic. >>725751870It's lolicon, bro. Child Asriel is for the shotafags.
>>725751770>guys guys I fill literally EVERY thread with the same chara samefag circlejerk bullshit but TOTALLY the guys telling me to quit being a faggot DEFINITELY spammed shit that would get anyone not protected by jannies a month ban at a minimum
>>725751870Very few people just write stories to wank off to Chara and Frisk.I personally kind of want to write a Ace Attorney fangame about Chara and Frisk taking place ten years after the pacifist ending. Don't intend to have shotacon content in that Hell Frisk will be a adult women.
>>725695745i thought this was an offscreen susie blowjob from the thumbnail
>>725752006You ban evaded, nigga. That's how you also immediately post after this supposed janny nuked your images. Either that or you deleted them yourself. >Knowing exactly how long a CP ban lastsSus.
>>725680256I do not want any more theories of any kind, I do not want any more newsletters where Toby says he is almost done for real this time while he shows a singular new sprite, I do not want any more pointless events that show how much time his team (and him probably) wasted crafting a what-if alternate universe Undertale or whatever that was. I just want Toby to get his fingers out of his ass, tell his team to get a clue, and to finish the damn game already, because it should NEVER take 8+ Y E A R S to put out a game like this.I just kind of hate myself for even caring about any of this.
>>725752037>SpoilerBased. Suit women is peak. We will be there.
>>725752263I didn't actually know that, but apparently you do. Thanks for sharing dumb dumb
>>725751305>Player character is left up to player interpretationIs this really that hard of a concept to grasp?
Yep, Yagipedo got gaped and raped like usual.Sad!
>>725752498>He said, after accidentally being baited into admitting to knowing how long jannies ban people for the shit he was spamming
>>725751770They had a bunch of posts fighting over Charafag, who is a real schizo who will shit threads from time to time. I just find thread schizos reproducing by thread shitting to be funny.
>>725752465I think stories left to the audience's interpretation are more often than not, worse than stories with a solid, objective narrative
>>725752405You are the one who said that, I only ever got 3 day bans because I don't post CP like you do.>>725752498His existence makes me think Famitsu threads might be worser than /vg/ if he's just a stray from those dark lands.
>>725751375What if the soul manifests only when the player starts the game and dissipates when he closes it?
>>725752646You already admitted it retard.
>>725752595Scream LOUDER, Yagicuckofuckohackotaroshitsofucko, SCREAM because Chapter FUARKING 5 is coming REAL soon, and I know it’ll ĦŰŘȚ!!!
>>725752612Genuinely who the fuck is the Charafag? I know there's some humanfags that end up posting a lot of art that triggers people, but I still don't know who THE Charafag is.
>>725752705I didn't do that and I am not your guy you're obsessed with. If anything you did. Again, no Chara images were deleted when you got nuked.
before thread dies give me the archive link to the post nuking you guys are talking about, I need schizokino
>>725751806So how does the weird route factor into this?
>>725752314i'm kinda in the same boat. i've had a great time with the chapter 1 days and chapter 2 hypetrain era but i'm schizo'd out and ready for shit to be wrapped up already. chapter 3 and 4 just didn't have the same magic as those days had
My schizo theory is this guy isn't obviously samefagging and having a full blown tantrum
>>725687286>Chapter 5, The Field of Pink and Gold. The vast garden is charred in an inferno of jealousy.
>make the thread because in deltarune mood>draw the OP pic and more on the side>go sleep>wake up to 200+ more>all day devolve into 200 even more post all schizo theory and apparently i re awoken a legendary schizohuh.. ok
>>725752895Here and enjoy Yagipedo's meltdownhttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/725400756/#q725400756
>>725752725A lot of people post and discuss Chara. Charafag is a schizo from /vg/ who shows up and spams Chara without any prompting in threads that have nothing to do with them, almost always its just random waifu pictures of her. The he'll talk about how much he hates monsters and wants the whole game to be about humans, and he will just keep doing this.He's not in this thread, haven't seem him for a while, but he does exist.
>>725752967From a meta standpoint it would be a classic evil playthrough trope, with the player siding with the villain of the game.In-universe however it fits even better, since the dark worlds are formed from the thoughts of those that make them.If Noelle is the one making the dark worlds then of course there would be a way to access an evil route. She loved the evil route in Dragon Blazers, and her penchant for finding weird bugs, glitches, secrets and exploits lends itself even better to the idea considering how you access the weird route. Even if she didn't do it intentionally, it could have been a subconscious decision, like the plugs in Queen's basement.
>>725753269thanks boss
>>725752982>No schizo bosses>1 chapter without the light world>1 chapter bloated with minigames>barely any story development>Weird route given just a very small time screen
>>725753320Well, there's two humanposters in this own thread. I didn't know about this Charafag that hates monsters even existed. When did he start posting? I think Frisk and Chara being the only humans in the game makes them special.
>>725753459chapter 3 is my favoritechapter 4 dark world is meh
>>725753712I just like Frisk and Chara because there isn't much else to really speculate on when it comes to Undertale. A lot of the story is pretty open and shut.
>>725753832Yeah, that's basically me. They're made for fanfiction. Plus I am not a furry. Still wild Charafag is supposedly real. They really are our Mike.
>>725753459Chapter 5 being missing really does make it feel incomplete. That being said, what chapters we got were not without their moments.>Tenna as a character, probably the best chapter boss in the game.>The Sword Route and its potential implications.>The Knight's surprise debut (and light confirmation that their leitmotif is derived from Nightmare Knight from Cucumber Quest).>Actual characterization of the Forgotten Man.>Gerson as a character.>Dark Worlds reflect the will of their maker, and can vary depending on who makes the fountain, thus the second Sanctuary.>Ralsei is revealed to not be evil, but has complete foreknowledge of the ending, and withholds it for your sake.>Greater inquiry as to what Shadow Crystals could be from the ROOTS area.>The snowgrave scene, as short as it is.
fuckin schizotheory thread, see you in the archive niggas
>>725752614To each their own, I guess.
>>725754134nice fuckin*and me mistyping like a fucking retard for good measure
>>725753712heh, make it 3 human posters then, i'm always pleased just how ambiguous the number of people posting is>>725753832well there is the skelefaggotery, but i believe no one wants to return to that
>>725754134Sorry Queenbro but most of this thread was a schizo meltdown.
>>725754294>well there is the skelefaggotery,Sans wank, mostly. Papyrus was never a complex character and at this point everybody is waiting for Deltarune to end before we decide what is up with Gaster.Really, the only vaguely interesting thing that I think mostly goes underutilized is Asgore being more aware of the game like nature of the world. Which is only hinted at a few times anyway.
>>725754294That third one seems to be the Gaster to our Sans and Papyrus. Haunts the threads and makes people schizo.
>>725753712The human posters in this thread are having genuine discussion and not threadshitting. That guy threadshits on purpose, he'll even go to other boards and do it. If someone talks shit about him he's apt to seek revenge for it by spending days shitting unrelated thread which he thinks wronged him.Anyways, he started around 2021 and the last I saw of him was a month after the jannie declared his jihad on Deltarune threads
>>725753320Boy it sure is convenient that this "charafag" doesn't describe any poster that's existed and isn't the guy engaging in the same behavior in this thread that "they've" been doing for the past 5 months in this thread.
Frisk should have gold eyesChara/Kris should have red eyes
>>725753384Yeah, but how does you mind breaking and raping her not affect the main story at all? She's an absolute mess every time you see her, yet she's suddenly all better as the knight. It just seems too incongruous.
>>725754434Asgore can be somewhat explained with his role as THE boss monster, having even enough determination to keep his soul stable after death for a bit despite being a monster.What is more interesting for me is that a lot of monsters do kinda notice de deja vu feeling at least, a load, doesn't happen as cleanly as the fandom makes it seemAn interesting story would had been the one of the monster war, i headcanon most of the "adventure" from the human side as a dragon quest game for the most part
>>725754681I genuinely love golden eyes Frisk.>>725754521He sounds like a real piece of work. I can see why schizos would be obsessed over him. I remember someone saying that a schizo wins when they can threadshit without being in a thread.
>>725754574Maybe we're talking about different people, maybe you yourself are a schizo, I'm talking about that guy who went raiding threads on /vrpg/ in revenge for people telling him to fuck off when spamming chara in a thread that had nothing to do with her.
Also you've done this before
>>725754479The only way to find out is to make posts and see if people go schizoThe one that makes more schizos gets the Gaster title
>>725754783That's viable. I also tend to assume, since it's confirmed that he killed all or at least one of the kids, that one of them simply told him about the whole saving and reloading thing.>An interesting story would had been the one of the monster war, i headcanon most of the "adventure" from the human side as a dragon quest game for the most partSomebody was making that, though apparently the anniversary threw his ideas into whack. I personally tend to assume the whole was more a Fox and the Hound (The Disney movie, never read the book) situation. With Asgore and the unnamed humans being friends in the past and now having to fight as part of respective duties.
>>725755015>Almost 2 months oldMove the fuck on, dude. This is literally how /vg/ thread personalities act.
>>725754752We've already seen that Noelle is more than capable of dissociating from things going on around her when she gets stressed. It's completely reasonable to believe she is simply ignoring things that would burden her when acting as the Knight. We need to see more but we don't even really know what exactly we did to her yet in the weird route.
>>725754681Artists with taste have chosen to adopt that head canonFrisk just looks way better than with blue eyes, and makes frisk look less bubbly innocent
