>/v/: HURR DURR WHY ARE ALL INDIE GAMES THE SAME NOW???You only have yourself to blame.
It's a true mystery as to why no one played his "weird and original games" before he made Zelda clones.https://youtu.be/96Ldo2TMkH4
>>726864679>People do what makes moneyAnd people get what they buy.We're satisfied with dogshit entertainment, so that's what we get.
>>726865263He probably meant his shitty Itch.io games.
>>726864679>FIGHT KNIGHTFucking love that game and I think everyone should play it, sex with bug girls
>>726865570>>726865263Then you retarded cattle-brained morons don't get to complain about indie games "all being the same".
Originality is kind of overrated, most good artist steal and refine established ideas but make them interesting. If you can't do something creative within the framework of what's already established, then you probably weren't very creative to begin with.
>>726864679every good game has already been created, the only way to be truly original is to create games that are complete and utter shit because that's all that's left to be made
>Retro styled platformer>Vampire Survivor Like>Balatro but [random thing]The indie scene only has themselves to blame, make better games and stop exclusively creating/promoting the above game genres
>>726866052You don't buy anything else retard
>>726864679GrooveyardKatana ZeroReturn Of The Obra DinnBaba Is YouLast CommandGolden IdolNanoApostleVoid StrangerCrypt Of The NecrodancerFight KnightLook OutsideDead CellsIntravenous Idk man if you want unique games they are out there
>>726866052>spend years working on a truly unique passion project>58 views, 6 sales>spend 3 months shitting out another dogshit vampire survivor clone>2.8 million views, 1 million salescongratulations, dumbass, you completely missed the fucking point
>>726864679This shit is the most retarded thing ever. Games have been derivative of each other for as long as games have existed. Lots of people play a game, then lot's of said people want to create similar games, either for money or out of interest. Pong clones, mascot platformers, first person shooters, basically any genre really that gained a large amount of players has gotten tons of derivative works. >>726866225I understand the complaints, but the fact that making a shitty clone can bring more attention to other games made by the same developer is also possible. It seems a little stupid to complain about success, even if it's not in the form you want.Either way I doubt most "weird and original" indies are really as original as they think they are.
>>726865830>Then you retarded cattle-brained morons don't get to complain about indie games "all being the same".>quotation neededwho's saying that?>t-t-t-t-t-this random guy on twitter said it!!!!shut the fuck up niggerindie are superior by the simple fact that they're allowed to do 'X but with Y', and that's a good thing, I don't want them to reinvent the wheel because most people are retarded, thus, most devs are retarded, and most people can't make good game and design good systems, it's just the harsh reality of it all and not my problem and you can suck my cock if you're unhappy with the deal, so they might as well copy zelda or whatever the fuck they want to copy, which is a proven and popular system, and simply add as little of a twist as they want to it, and if the quality is high enough, I'll play the gamenow get bent rajeesh, go back to twitter
>>726866052Nobody buys anything decent. Best game I played in the past 20 years was an indie game that peaked at 600 players.
>>726866470>devolves into an oligophrenic rant spouting repetitive insults due to mental breakdownI accept your concession.
Just because your shitty game is "original" it doesn't stop being shitty.
I feel this. I tried writing nice stories once and barely got attention. Switched to writing erotica and instantly got a shit ton of attention. I’m not surprised by it obviously, just kinda sad…
>>726866628>omg stop complaininnnnnnnnnggggggnigger
>>726865263>$1.49 is too expensive for mepoorfags gonna poorfag
>>726866694>tranimeAnd there we have it. You are subhuman! Lmao
>>726865853That guy turned into an ultra-Zionist with a Star of David tattoo on his chest.
>>726866743free is too expensive in many cases.
Honestly the problem is that people risk it all as indies making something "completely original" without doing any brainstorming on design or engineering philosophy (boiled into game theory, both vidya and the math kind).Or they do what's already been done but make no changes or improvements to it.It tends to be the stuff that takes what works and tweaks a few little things here and there to make it their own in a novel way that seem to sell the best. That and big animay tiddays.But no one ever said you can't have both.Also that OP screenshot looks like a location in Majora's Mask reskinned with link's face skinned on. Wonder if he'll attract the nintendo jew ninja lawyers.
>>726864679>Metroidvania>Deck Building Roguelike>Platformer with movement techniques exclusively made for speedrun trannies>Open world survival game with craftingPick your poison, /v/.
>>726864679As far as art execution and monster designs go, he should lean way more heavily into the Arabian Nights influence and themes... the monsters and NPCs look way too Zelda-like, but those Arabian Nights stories have so many monsters he could adapt ... monsters you rarely see in videogames.
>>726866560what game?
the masses want slop, they deserve slop
>>726864679People that think originality itself is worthy of merit are the kind of people that think eating soup with a fork is interesting and tells people to try it. Noones doing that shit, and noone wants to do that shit just because you can.You can take anything and reinteprit it to make it something wholey your own. Look at something like Fear and Hunger or Look Outside. Its just a run of the mill turn based RPG using themes and motiffs youve seen a hundred times now, but they do it in their own way and implement their inspiration in a way that makes it their own.
>>726867124But then twitter would call him racist.
>>726864679Heh,true.Most hyped indies are "n64 game..BUT TODAY?!?"
>>726864679whom doth qouthe? >this random twitter who will strengthen my shitpost, even though they explicitly say "not thats there's anything wrong with that"!
>>726867624forgot to take your hrt sis?
>>726867304Fuck Twitter. Arabian Nights is based and underappreciated.
>>726864679Good artists copy, great artists steal.
>>726864679Did they try making original games that were also good?
>>726870241You've played them I assume
>>726870309Yes.
>>726870381I see you didn't post your Steam stats on those games, why is that
>>726864679When was the last time anything wholly "weird and original" actually become popular? Originality is like a seasoning, you just need a bit of it to breathe new life into something familiar but you're not going to like inhaling a handful of paprika very much
>>726867061last one, I love Elin
>>726864679The game looks fine but Jesus Christ the developer is such an insufferable faggot, he can't go a single day without needing to cry about something
>>726864679>>/v/: HURR DURR WHY ARE ALL INDIE GAMES THE SAME NOW???but they aren't? there's a huge variety of indie and all sorts of weird shit too if you want something different
>>726866678Any tips for an aspiring writer like me?>>726864679Its a marketing problem. If I see unique game that looks cool, I would play it. But I see dozens upon dozens of games to buy plus all the gamea I already have; something must give, and unfortunately that means games I do not know about/are not within my tastes.This is why word of mouth is extremely important, since it is an equalizer of attention.
>>726872991"word of mouth" doesn't exist anymore fucking retarded subhuman
>>726865830Or what? You gonna stop me, faggot?
>>726864679normies need something to connect to otherwise they feel alienated like having to deal with some weirdo IRL. They're stupid cattle.
any tips for getting more traction on X with my indie game? hopefully not by being a crybaby like the fag in OP's pic
>>726873041If your friend links something on discord it's still word of month, you gorilla retard.
>>726873273Have a "thing" that lets people describe it as easily as possible. For example; There are lots of STALKER clones, but when I say "the STALKER with the lizards" you know exactly which one I refer to if youre into STALKER games. This doesnt have to be the thing that defines it, but it should be something that sets it apart from other games, it can be a mechanic or aesthetic.
>>726873041>"word of mouth" doesn't exist anymore
>>726873434>>726873489Nobody fucking finds things on their own, dumbasses. The communities and people that used to either died or gave in to the algorithmic slop, and zoomoids aren't browsing for new stories, games etc.
>>726874042>Nobody fucking finds things on their ownI do, and I share those with my friends who do the same
>>726874095I'm 100% certain neither you or your friends have played a game with fewer than 10 reviews on Steam. You only share around highly marketed popular stuff, and if you say otherwise you're lying.
>>726874267we share the stuff we like and that we find interesting, which is word of mouth. And I don't care about the number of reviews a game has, I don't need to feel like a special boy for playing obscure stuff
>>726874042even if they didn't find the link on their own, them sharing it to their friends is word of mouth
>>726874330>word of mouthIt's not word of mouth if the game or product was highly marketed or well known. You're completely missing the point of the discussion because your IQ is 75, and unfortunately I can't help you with that. You won't ever grasp it no matter how I put it for you.
>>726865830>if you're opposed to shit, you're not allowed to want originalityDid you buy the dude's games?
>>726868892Is this a comic book adaptation of the 1k1 Nights? I’d always wanted to check out the stories in some easily digestible format.
>>726866225How can I buy something I wasn't ever exposed to?
>>726874042Browsing 4chan is the same thing as word of mouth.
>>726874436>if the game or product was highly marketed or well knownthat's something you are wrongly assuming just to try and "win the argument" like the retard you are. Word of mouth still exists, and you having no friends to experience it is your problem
>>726867061I'll go with Deck Building Roguelike but PvP
>>726874567Ugh… I cannot stand this art style
>>726874572>no arguments leftconcesion accepted
>>726864679>AAA studios make absolutle dogshit for years>You only have yourself to blame.Ok corpo faggot lol
>>726874504>why are indies not shilling their product?>woah, shilling much? buy an ad lol
>>726874618You can't stand at all, fatass
>>726874621There is no point in arguing with something less intelligent than a brick wall.
I wish all of these people would shut the fuck up and just do the work. its hard and painful and often agonizing and doubt creeps around every corner but its also the reason why its so rarely seen, because the temperament that can sustain this work is so rare and so hard earned. Whiners understand intuitively that they don't have "it", and so in their perceived helplessness they waste their energy trying to twist the narrative into something that makes them not feel bad about being a coward. Really, why be a developer at all at this point. There are far more rewarding ways to live your life.Every minute spent whining is a minute that could've been spent working. If you're going to post, then make posts that inspire people and start discussions on what CAN be done. I mute all these whiny fucks. They don't deserve time or attention.
>>726874848word of mouth is that this anon's still seething
>>726874830U mad?
>>726874821Anon clearly wants steam to mindread his desire and likes and expose him to only the games he would like. That is an extremely strong sentiment in pretty much any steam dumpster diving, also known as hidden gem, threads. Almost nobody spends time to go through shitty steam hidden events or even scroll through all new releases feed.
>>726873273Really think about those first 10 seconds of your post. Be very honest with yourself and pretend to be someone who knows nothing about your game. The post needs to be clear as to what its about, and only then does it offer something cool. People don't like putting effort into parsing a context lacking video. Sure there might be something cool, but its easier to keep swiping until something cool shows up that is also easy to grasp. Think about the word choice. Post a lot, pay attention, and find your way to the people that are into your vision.
There really should be a second internet exclusive to the people who actually like things. Like you log on, you have to get an MRI that week that shows you still react with joy from playing a video game. Any video game.
>>726875047so basically making my posts look cool while also being "easy to consume"? Good idea, I usually reach the char limit and that's probably a bad sign
>>726864679The issue is that creatives should save the idea they really want for after they gain experience and establish themselves. Anything beyond indie however is a complete crapshoot as you have to climb the nepo ladder to be able to pitch an idea nowadays for a game.
>>726865830Different and GOODAND GOODTHEY HAVE TO BE *BOTH*
>If you don't like my macaroni art I made in my 30's while on xanax you are a raysis chood and also a bootlicked for corpos.>this blew up btw support palestine by clicking this link.
>>726864679But I want more OOT clones.
>>726864679Guy who made a dungeon crawler but punch out says it's bad when people make X but with Y is quick to point out that there's nothing wrong with that.I wonder why that is.
Maybe the medium video games is just shit in general
>>726874330You're dumb
>>726875643Then get the fuck off the board
>>726875384But you're not going to confirm yourself that it's good, right? You're going to wait until someone else does it for you, which is what everyone else does as some sort of bystander effect, which means that anything different never even gets tried out as everyone huddles around familiarityslop that requires no risk, investment, or getting out of your comfort zone
>>726865263>i made weird and original games for years>games>years>1 single game>2 years ago>game is just a plate up/overcooked with the cheapest assets in the worldWOW
>>726877938He's talking about his itch and mobile games that aren't on Steam
>>726864679They often seem to forget that those weird and original games need to be good too.
>>726877980Can't imagine how a store no one uses and stores that get 12 million games a miute didn't get incredible sales. A real head-scratcher.
>>726864679>I want to make an original game>I want to make an original game that also makes me rich as hell
>>726864679Why do so many indie "devs" think that just because they make le quirky weird game that they are entitled to success?If your game sucks it sucks and if you're too lazy to actually try to get the word out then that's on you too.
>>726866743Bad games aren't worth playing, even for free
>>726866847What losing a wife does to a guy
>>726878330see >>726876000
>>726876000>>726880283>But you're not going to confirm yourself that it's good, right?I can confirm from gameplay videos alone.
>>726865743Yeah, I liked June. She's a fun character.
People overstimate originality and underestimate appeal.You can be original all you want by mixing a bunch of shit and coming up with something "never seen before" but appeal is what atracts people towards it, and this is an essential quality for everything, from media to people. Remember kids, you're a salesperson, even if you're not.It's not a matter of mass appeal, it's a matter of always thinking "who is this for and how do I make them come to me?".
>>726882050this
>>726874471afaik there's no fixed structure for 1001 Nights besides the intro and the ending so you can use any version without worrying about canonicity and such.
>>726865853Sure, this indie devs with no money are gonna "refine" my favourite game in no time. Can't wait
Because different to them is some fucking retarded abstract concept that plays like shit.
hey anons, wanna see my game?
>>726882619 This is the part most of these "visionary devs" miss. If your game looks like a Unity asset flip wrapped in MS Paint aesthetics and no one's interested, it’s not because people fear originality - it’s because you made something no one wants to touch. Appeal isn’t optional, it’s the whole damn point.
>>726864679Said it before and will say it again: this guy basically made a bunch of student projects he conceded were shit and is apparently mad that they didn't take off?
>>726881465So you're saying you don't play them..
>>726864679I care little for originality in some circumstances or at least partially consider it overrated when there's a very specific kind of game that I want to see being made and is not being made anymore. I got into gaming for genres like tactical stealth action and the more purist form of the late 90s 'immersive sims' to early 2000s stealth games. There's still barely anything being made, triple A will not fund it. You can claim that I'm ruining gaming but I've decided to start selling my hardware off and finding a new hobby. I can't ruin anything if I'm not interested anymore. You have no idea what I liked to play when I first got interested in this hobby. I don't want your new ideas and I have no desire to interact with them.
>>726884159>I got into gaming for genres like tactical stealth action and the more purist form of the late 90s 'immersive sims' to early 2000s stealth games. There's still barely anything being made, triple A will not fund it.indie devs release these games all the time, you just don't play them because you're cattle-brained and want the steam algorithm to serve them to you, instead of finding them themselves.
>>726866678Where you publish ero books?
>>726883981Are you the dev or something? If your game is good enough it will cause enough buzz around it that other people(me) will hear about it. If there is no talk around your game it either means your game wasn't that good.
>>726884552Subhuman intelligence on display right here. Arguing in circles.
>>726884552>If your game is good enough it will cause enough buzz around itPeople would have to play it first, see >>726876000
>>726884627Sorry that your indie game flopped
>>726884365No they don't at all. There's one developer who made Intravenous. I've argued with you in the past in numerous threads where you literally posted games with non existent demos and were extremely barebones first timer projects. Generally people which had very little experience in games and shows with how all extremely amateur they all looked. What you posted was an insult to anyones intelligence to suggest that the industry even cares about this anymore.
>>726884671Once again further showcasing your subhuman intelligence (or lack there of) by assuming I'm a dev of some flopped game. You can't even grasp that someone might not fit one of your predefined molds you have in your head.
>>726884552LolLmao
>>726884820>Generally people which had very little experience in games and shows with how all extremely amateur they all looked.>thinks /v/ is one personso i was right, you really are cattle-brained. if you're not happy with indie games which are obviously not going to be the highest production value like the aaa slop you want then you shouldn't have been in this hobby to begin with.i bet you can't even name a single one of those "student projects" that you think i linked to you.
>>726866052You forgot>Earthbound style game about depression
>>726884840Oh but i do recognize the bitterness of a failed artist.
>>726884994Isn't this just Omori and nothing else
>>726884970None of them are at any acceptable levels of quality. Indie devs are fucking hacks compared to everyone who worked in the industry back in those years. Like 90% of them are talentless morons.
>>726866847based
>>726864679>Fight Knightthat game sucked donkey dick. It was so tedious.
>>726885159>I WANT IMMERSIVE SIMS AND TACTICAL STEALTH GAMES!>NOOO NOT LIKE THAT!Lmao.
>>726874854Retard
>>726885074You're not as good at identifying people as you think you are, which isn't surprising given you are subhuman in nature.
>>726884840You're using too many words, anon. Monkeys on this board only understand the culture war or whatever their favorite e-celeb grifter tells them.
>>726885074You didn't even recognize you were talking to two different people anon you're dumb as shit
fight knight is an excellent game but it clearly falls into the pattern that the dev's initial tweet is talking about. dungeon crawling with real time boxing combat. maybe that hadn't necessarily been done before fight knight, but it is still an example of "x but with y".
>>726884628There are hundreds of people who make their career showing off indie games with millions of viewers. If you can't get even one of those people interested enough to download your game than your game wasn't that good.
>>726885416>x but with yis that a bad thing?
>>726885256Yeah, not like when they don't put any effort in and it's primitive compared to what it's trying to replicate. If you're a one man team then you have to admit that your efforts of doing this are futile at some point. Or we just get these awful looking games like you posted to try and one up me in that past thread. You live and die by defending talentless amateurs. Even if it's at the expense of getting a good game that is enjoyable to play in the process. You just mindlessly want to support Indie and drop your standards to rock bottom.
>>726885492>There are hundreds of people who make their career showing off indie games with millions of viewers.Is that so? Can you name them then?>If you can't get even one of those people interested enough to download your game than your game wasn't that goodRight, total consumer brain here. Retard doesn't even know a lot of them don't even cover games unless you pay them and some don't read emails at all.
Notice how no one. Not even the people defending the dev in the OP have show what weird and original indie games they have bought. (you) do you support indie devs right anon?
tell that fucker to make saving your game less annoying in fightknight, game is great so far besides that
>>726885687>judging a game by its graphicsActual normalfag behaviour holy fucking shitHow did you even end up here? Go back to fucking redit or whatever other shithole you crawled out of.
>>726885256It's tacitly implied they want a good game not just any game thrown their way. If they see a game and it doesn't look GOOD to them, then it doesn't meet the criteria.Yes, you will continue to pretend to be stupid and disingenuous.
>>726885492Streamers only play either games they're paid to play, or games that are already viral hits so they can bandwagon on the algorithm and attention, not knowing this exposes you as a big fucking retard
>>726886121>. If they see a game and it doesn't look GOOD to them, then it doesn't meet the criteria.The criteria being "aaa grafix" which just proves that this retard never even liked games to begin with.Unless he posts one of these games in his library or confirms that he played them some other way, he's a cattle-brained normalfag who only cares about graphics and thus his shit opinions can be discarded
>>726886224So what indie games have you played? Any obscure ones? Any at all?
>>726886505Why the deflection anon, I didn't make any claims
>>726886074I'm not judging it by its graphics but by how the game actually looks in its footage in the engine editor from the developer and it looks awful. People like you who defend these amateurs as if they're really reaching the same heights of what AA developers were reaching in the early 2000s make me sick. Because you're intentionally spreading misinformation. These devs will never even so much as dare to make the claim that their game projects are better than the games that they were inspired by. But you know what AA devs back in those days were actually doing? they were always trying to one up each other. They were talking down all their competitors in PC gaming magazines and in interviews. The competition was fierce because they all wanted to prove that they were on the cutting edge.
>>726886690So you haven't played any indie games? Then why are you getting mad if other people don't play those game either you goddamn nigger faggot?
>>726886773Again, I'm not the one that made claims, the fact that you're deflecting means you're realizing you were wrong
>>726886505>>726886773damn this anon be seething
>>726882853>nobody wants toI'm devastated...
>>726865263You are demonstrating his point.
>>726886704>I'm not judging it by its graphics but by how the game actually looks in its footage in the engine editor from the developer and it looks awful.So you didn't play it.>But you know what AA devs back in those days were actually doing? they were always trying to one up each other. They were talking down all their competitors in PC gaming magazines and in interviews. The competition was fierce because they all wanted to prove that they were on the cutting edge.Ah you're one of THOSE retards, huh?
>>726886897>>726886858Still not posting any indie games you played. I accept your concession
>>726887804I've played Iji and Lyle in Cube Sector
>>726886704Indie is not AA and never implied to be, AA is long dead and buried and neither indies nor AA can compete at cutting edge. You can play what is available even if it is not perfect or keep bitching at clouds like decrepit jaded boomer that you are, pick your poison.
>>726864679I like things that are similar to things I already like.I'm not sorry about that.
>>726887471>So you didn't play it.Of course not because no demo exists. Yet you being the retard that you were in past threads tried posting this as evidence that I don't know how to find games because of the algorithm. Well how could I find something that doesn't even have anything playable? you're calling me a normalfag despite posting what essentially classifies as Vaporware concept projects. Just to prove how supposedly on top of everything the indie scene is. But the indie scene is not on top of anything. They're more concerned with shitting out rogue likes and dark souls clones opposed to anything that would take time and a bigger team to make something good. Most indie devs can't even code decent enemy AI for that matter. Hence we a wave of effortless boomer shooters where every single fucking enemy just bee lines and does some basic predictable strafing. They're so behind making anything remotely good that it's not funny.
>>726887804I played my own game, that no one else ever even saw
>>726867061You forgot boomer shooter!
>>726887957Thank you anon. I'll check those two out
>>726864679I had this wishlisted but now I removed it
>>726866225my friend bought me mega bonk, and i played for an hour before i got bored. the fact that you can become an overnight millionaire by doing the exact same thing 12 over night multimillionaires did is both infuriating, and hilarious. my passion project is hold until i finish my vampire-like, becuase fuck it, if we're handing out millionaire cards, i'll take mine too.
>>726888031>Of course not because no demo exists. So why not post or find another game with a demo? If it's released you can just refund it if you don't like it. But you wouldn't do that because you want to complain and not play games.>Yet you being the retard that you were in past threads tried posting this as evidence that I don't know how to find games because of the algorithmOh no, you legitimately believe this board is one person? Jesus fucking Christ I was sort of joking when I said you are cattle-brained, but it looks as if you legitimately are pathological...
>>726888107Iji's a classic, very cool game. I don't remember a lot about Lyle but I think I had fun with it
>>726864679If you make a niche game why would you be surprised that you get a small following?
>>726888031>why people with no money didn't hire more peopleJust stick with your ubislop ac "stealth" at this point
>>726864679Who, me? Me who didn't buy Azaran or even give it attention? I'm responsible for this? It sure is crazy how powerful my inaction is. Put that little spotlight on yourself, Dr. Lecter.
>>726865830oof you should've signed up for another line of work
OP, you're obviously a failed indie dev. Let's see your game so I have a more clear idea of how ridiculous you're being right now.
>>726866138Most of the games I recognize are extremely derivative. Not bad, but take most of their design cues from prior games. Terrible list.
>>726888193>one personThere's literally only one anon who suggests that I don't know about all the hidden non existent stealth games out there. Anyone honest would outright just state that these games are not being made anymore because it's quite evident that they are not being made. The best you'll get is the real time tactics genre or some garbage 2D pixelshit game that can't ever translate the gameplay correctly. All that is made is amateur projects that could be passed off as something made for school or some random itch.io game jam. Not anything that has real investment in it.
>There's literally only one anon who suggests that I don't know about all the hidden non existent stealth games out there.okay there is legitimately no hope left for this fucking nutcase
>>726888918You could have typed out a list. Yet you didn't after your first post, curious. Because I bet you don't know a single fucking thing that looks acceptable and It would just be torn apart under any sort of reasonable scrutiny.
>>726864679Ironic coming from fight knight dev when his game is just a generic dungeon crawler with mario minigame combat
>>726865263That short staffed game was just plate up
>>726866120I can't buy them because they don't get finished, and that's if they even get past whatever absurd crowdfunding goal they think they need for some fucking reason. That or the dev isn't disciplined enough to work on their project like they should be and choose to waste their time.
>>726891195>his game is just a generic dungeon crawler with mario minigame combatHuh?
>working on a boomer shooter>Megabonk comes out, instant success>ever since been thinking about just giving in and making it pick 3 slop instead
>>726866847>Star of David*Star of Remphan
I don't know anything about programming, just art and writing, so I'm just making an RPGmaker slop with hand drawn everything in an underutilized niche genre and hope that carries it.
>>726892529With boomer shooters your game either has to look really good (Dusk) or appeal to coomers (Citadel)Otherwise it'll struggle to even reach 50 playerst. boomer shooter playerIts old hat by now so the novelty of the concept is dead
>>726865743played it, became bored half way through and dropped it>>726866339>deep sea prisonernice, i miss her like you wouldn't believe
>>726873041This is true. Word of mouth can only properly exist in a digital ecosystem with minimal noise and minimal people. An American / Whites Only Intranet would mostly solve this issue. Pic unrelated.
How rich of that faggot to even consider letting out such logorrhea from his smelly cockholster when he himself is such a creatively bankrupt hack.Hypocrite.
He's mentioning Benbo Quest so there's a highly good chance that even normal people aren't willing to tolerate quirky, smug, cancerous irony humor.
>>726864679Fight Knight could have been good, but making a rancom encounter system with no xp or even upgrades was kind of stupid.
>>726874042>Nobody fucking finds things on their ownI quite literally do, when I get bored on my days off, I scroll through certain niche genres on steam looking for new indie titles that look interesting.
Why do people even bother making indie games when its such a huge effort compared to just working in other more profitable industries with less effort?
>>726901362Inertia from the 2013-2017 days when anything, including passion projects, could sell reasonably enough for devs to continue. It's all coming to an end now though, especially after Valve changed (or rather gimped) the promotion systems on Steam. Passionate people are giving up or giving in to make shitslop with the grifters. It's why every indie is a deckbuilder, VS clone or friendslop. The Steam algorithm determined that these sell so people keep making these.
>>726866138Obra Dinn purely sold on being "the next game from the Papers Please guy"Golden Idol purely sold on "there isn't going to be an Obra Dinn 2, here's the next best thing"
>>726874471Richard Corben's adaptation of the Last Voyage of Sindbad that was published in Heavy Metal Magazine in the 1980s
>>726901362Getting hired in a lot of those industries is really hard if you're a nepobaby of someone in management, and a few of them (particularly thinking visual effects and CG animation) have such horrible working conditions that they're borderline suicide inducing.
>>726864679He's right.I watched a certain freeware game get absolutely panned because it dared to experiment with mechanics beyond standard genre conventions in ways that ended up almost universally being improvements once they had time to tweak it a good bit.People don't want games that innovate or experiment, they want stuff that's familiar.
>>726875153I definitely agree, anon. Reading this thread and others like it just drives home that most of the people on this board have an adversarial relationship with gaming at best. Essentially using it as a way to ragebait each other and get into the weeds of ultimately pointless topics. That being said there are always threads in the catalog where people who do enjoy games gather to discuss them without being absolutely retarded. So all I can say is learn to sift through until you find those few, if you haven't already.
>>726875153Creating a second internet is not as outside the realm of possibility as one might think.
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>>726866773do you think anyone else has ever shared the opinion with you of you ever winning an argument you fucking sperg?
>REEEEEEEE WHY IS EVERY AAA GAME THE SAME FUCKING SOULLESS GREED ADSLFKAJDSF;LKJFA>um ackshually it's ok when every indie game is the same because originality is overrated and bad and you have to cater to what's popular to make money and money is the most important thingIndieshits are all the same. Every one of you.
>>726904876Until you can change the state of society where basic existence must be paid for with monetary tokens hoarded by a handful of people and traded only for your literal life (in time), then yes money is the most important thing
indiesloppers really
>>726904876sir, an argument to go with your adhom?
>>726905304and here the problem lies, where random faggots on the internet will see a similar shape or hear the same four strums on an instrument, and make their entire personality around making sure everyone knows that nothing is original (but failing to point out the interesting part where the 'original' is also a derivative of something obscure)
>>726867124>literally just make Magi but vidyaAsking too much from an indieshitter.>>726905227>>726905321>w-well you need money to live so you have to be the exact same trend chasing greedwhore as every megacorp and billionaire that's whined about every other minute of the day sh-shut up it's ok when WE do it
>>726905585Yes, you dumb nigger.You have never made anything in your life.
Call me when idie games actually have good art. Its like americans are allergic to good art in their games.
>>726905663>fucking artists daring to charge money and run patreons>now give me money for my zelda reskinHypocrite.
>>726905816Who the god damn fuck are you quoting you schizo
SHIT!!!
>>726905704Japs are in no better stateTheir art turned to putrid shit around the mid 2000s
>>726906164>illiterate can't comprehend simple statementsNo wonder you're too stupid to comprehend how and why all you indieshitters are hypocritical faggots given your other posts on the board.
>>726906836That was my first post on the thread, fucking retard lmaoYou don't even know who you're seething at
the thing about original ideas is that they're really fucking boring
>>726906294This is true
>i sure love eating the same food my entire life it never gets old>i sure love boobies and fucking the same hole my entire life it never gets old>i sure hate video games that reuse refined mechanics and tropes this industry is dead nothing is fun anymore billions must die society peaked in the 90s
>>726907576Video games aren't vital to the survival of the species and hardwired into us to consume. In reality, most burnouts' brains are screaming at them to do something meaningful but they refuse to disengage with their mundane hobby out of habit.
>>726866138why is that skeleton hitting the 'my mom is kinda homeless'
>>726907231>40IQ can't comprehend what a blanket statement is>isn't even smart enough to pull the ">/v/ is one person" cardPathetic. Reminder that indieshits spent over a decade claiming indie trash to be the savior of all gaming because they were doing "original things" the "unoriginal AAA devs won't", and all they make are what AAA devs make, but later and shittier.
>>726905704>5 trillions degradation filters later
>>726864679Build an audience first THEN make original shit dumbass
>>726908716Reminder you have never made anything in your lifeNobody loves youAnd nobody will remember you
>>726885281Time to get a real job.
>>726882050All great games are original, either in their ideas or their execution of whats established. Not all original games are great.
This might genuinely be because of all the circlejerking about games being art. Games by the studios in the past were better because they didn't think of them as art, but as toys and entertainment whose primary goal was FUN. Now, starving indie sloppas think that because games are le art, that it doesn't matter if their game isn't fun, as long as it feels "artistic".
