He's right imo. AI is ubiquitous in game development now and it doesn't make a difference any more. AI disclosures are nothing more than a scarlet letter at this point.
Nah.
I will not buy games made with AI slop so please keep the tag
If he loves AI so much why didn't he add it to Fortnite yet? Oh right.Biggest hypocrite award
>>726887014Why does this fag never shut up about Valve?
>>726887014Digital game stores need an easy way to filter heavily AI generated content or otherwise every store will end up looking like the Switch eShop with a thousand games titled something like "Hentai Puzzle Action 7"
>>726887239Valve fears Tim
>>726887014>You should destroy information that helps the costumer make choicesGreedy little Tim gets pegged by a CCP official with a 10 inch black dildo every night
>>726887239This, just fuck off and JUST IMPROVE EPIC'S FUCKING ONLINE SERVICE ALREADY.
>>726887170He did though
>>726887014This doesn't surprise me because Steam likes to give a lot of info about their available games to consumers whereas Timmy Tencent takes the opposite approach and won't even link to a game's Metacritic page, let alone disclose if a game has AI.
>>726887014If it "didn't matter anymore," you wouldn't give a shit if the label was there. You'd just ignore it. You're complaining because it absolutely does matter, and it's making you look bad. Personally, I don't care if developers use AI or not. I think it's perfectly acceptable to do so. That doesn't mean the tag should go away. People should be allowed to know that you're using it.
>>726887346>He did thoughI mean like in official sense though, none of that kiddy UGC bullshit
>>726887239Timmy became obsessed with Valve as soon as he noticed they made PC gaming work, before then he only kept screeching how Console gaming will kill off PC. He is a literal snake, no words coming out of his mouth were ever in good faith.
>>726887014Nah, In fact, it should be right at the front, next to the name of the game.
>>726887014>it doesn't make a difference any moreThen why does it make you go apeshit when people ask for transparency?
>>726887014I don't care for the AI tag either but Valve's insistence on letting the buyer know what he's exactly paying for is great.Of course Sweeney boy would rather hide info from you and just let you pay for garbageSamething applies to steamcharts, I don't quite like the threads and obsession with them but having that info be available to you is great.
>>726887140Valve is using AI on HL3
>>726887014To be fair, Valve has no way of checking if someone used AI so all the tag means is that the dev was honest about using AI
We have maybe 1 more full year of AI slop shilling before the bubble pops.Until then expect more desperate CEOs and crypto fags desperately trying to curb any and all barriers to making the ai line go up
>>726887170Oh how people forget AI Darth Vader....
>>726887014If it doesn't make a difference then why not leave the discolosure there anyway?
>>726887321That's right. PIRACY IS A SERVICE PROBLEM>>726887378He can't stand the 30% standard fee
>>726887014How about regional pricing? Maybe Steam should remove that too, Timmy?
>>726887424Then I won't buy itSimple as
>>726887424>Source: Tyler Mcnigger
It doesn’t matter because EVERY game will have AI making the tag completely pointless
I have every right to know if a game contains>Rootkit "anticheat" that doesn't work>Dogshit second layer DRM by malware salesmen (denuvo)>AI slop garbage that I don't want to pay for because your art jeets can't find green grass in india.Got a problem with not getting my money?Stop doing that shit.
>>726887014Stop crying about Valve and fix your shitty engine, Tim.
>>726887014The only acceptable time to use AI is when you're some literal who with actual ideas but no financial backing/nepotistic connections to leverage. Established corporations with millions of dollars should be FORCED to have fully human workforces. And keep the "Made with AI" label on so that slimy corporate niggers can't get away with cutting corners for the sake of profits when they in fact have the resources and connections to leverage for a human workforce.
>>726887014>hey we're gonna add corn syrup to every food eventually so why even bother putting it in the ingredients
>>726887424And? They won't tag it as such.
>>726887014>gameindustrybiz: valve quiestly removes the ai label from stream>Published on Feb. 30, 2026>Tim: the removal of the ai label is a mistake
If a dev ever asked chatgpt or whatever model about anything at all related to the development of their game, it was made with ai.
>>726887375they had an official darth vader chatbot that would follow you around, they had to remove it because people kept tricking it into saying offensive stuff
RENT FREE
>>726887440AI is going nowhere even after the bubble pops. Everything will be AI slop from now on
>>726887014>Tim Sweeney saysokay, so do the oposite of that
i think im more suited to giving advice on how to run a storefront that timmy tencent is at this point
>>726887239Because Valve pretty much outed him as a retard. EVERY GENERATION Tim has been saying that PC is dead for games and that only consoles matter. Gaben instead worked hard with devs at Valve to make Steam and basically created the whole market for themselves though many years, which proved to be a good call since PC is now way bigger and more profitable than consoles. Tim obviously seethed about it, made shitty Epic Games Store and then was upset he didn't instantly get at least an equal share of customers so he started screaming about monopoly and shitting on other stores.He's just a fucking faggot.
>>726887484>He can't stand the 30% standard feeYet he's never criticized console manufacturers for taking 30%, and shit he's even defended them by saying it's fine for them because they make hardware. I guess it's OK for Valve to take 30% because they make the Steam Deck and Steam Machine!
>dev asks chatgpt to quickly cook a script to rename all his debugging logs from "mm-dd-yyyy_log.txt" to "yyyy_mm_dd_log.txt">NOO DEV-KUN WHAT DID YOU DO NOW WE HAVE TO TAG OUR GAME AS AI-MADE YOU FUCKED OUR SALES PROJECTIONS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>726887014>consumers keep having to pay more for lazy developersNah fuck off, I want to know who the skilless cunts are so we don't get more medieval ghibli cod banners
>>726887014Lmao sure Timmy, whatever you say you faggot.
>>726887014I've seen many with kind of obvious AI art styles that don't tag it as such. Seems it already doesn't matter.
>>726887014He's right again. AI is the future, and what the consumer doesn't know won't hurt them ;)
>>726887453Oh right that did happen. I've noticed people do not push back as hard on AI voice acting as much as on other kinds of generative content.
>>726887140literally nothing is stopping devs from lying about ai usage
>>726887730Bro bulk renamers exist.
Gatekeeping working as intended. Cry more, Timmy.
TV remote eating head ass
>>726887691Sure but the constant shilling and bot farms to fake engagement on it will slow down significantly.
>>726887813Other than getting thrown off the store, which is why they're mad about it.Like when Denuvo was considering suing Valve for forcing developers to put it on their store page because it is literally so fucking poisonous to sales that they explicitly recommended leaving it ambiguous all the way at the bottom of the EULA so people would not know before buying a game.
>>726887014muh AIfaggots just want to make money from doing nothing and they can't admit itwhy should anyone be entitled to money from AI created work? how is that fair?
>cries about AI ruining prices of RAM>now cries about steam showing the AI tagpick a struggle already, you remote chewing retard
>>726887771Well yeah, it's pretty much impossible to prove a game used AI because they can just say they just happen to have an art style similar to what AI produces
>>726887014if it "will be involved in nearly all future production" why worry about the label?
>>726887813There is also literally nothing stopping me from looking at the store page, detecting extremely obvious ai slop and then not buying the game as a result
>>726887725Valve is good because it's private. If it were public the share holders would force them to prioritize short term profits and things like cosmetics and battle passes, and generally focus on ecommerce and sails rather than true Core gaming experiences. Timothy Sweeney cannot handle this. He's not a pure gamer
>EGS becomes the sloppy shopLMAO
>>726887170UE5 literally has an integrated AI agent.
>>726887971He has that kind of chronically online xitter personality, chances are that his short term memory also follows the rule of those that happen to be in that same basket as well.
>>726887014I guarantee that 98.5% of games released this year utilized AI assistance for either art or code. But developers will not admit to this because it is nearly impossible to prove, particularly when it involves only code.
>>726887828did you disclose your usage of bulk renamers on your steam page? You did right...?
>>726888065He is.
tim cant even do basic shit like wishlist or a cart for a storefront dude is mentally incompetent and his fortnite money will eventually run out
epicjeetas are awfully silent right now doe...
>>726888108See you're too stupid to realize the point that's being made here and that's why people wouldn't willingly give you money.
Games without the AI seal of quality will just show the developers have misplaced priorities and will put personal politics over game quality.
>>726888154you just cant handle the 30% feewake up to reality jeet
>>726888067No wonder this year was such a low for video games
I hate AI graphics because they look AI generated but I hate VAs so I’m willing to tolerate AI voice acting. Also all games in theory have AI content because all programmers use AI now. So I think we need AI graphics and AI voice tags.
>>726887951The bubble popping will basically just kill off a bunch of AI companies and we will be stuck with a couple of the big ones. The price of using these AI services will also go up because they want to stop bleeding money
>>726887551Even then the value is as a proof of concept/storyboarding kind of deal that allows you to garner interest from others to contribute to your vision.
>>726887239
>>726887014I remember when AI was just called using LLMs
>>726887014He should use AI to add new features to his shitty store like a shopping cart
>>726887239Never forget >Valve accepted and frequently responded to his email due to him being an important figure >Use that opportunity to go on a retarded rant about the horror of 30% and his ongoing lawsuit with Apple out of nowhere >Pic related
>>726887014how does AI make a game fun?
>>726887140If you need a tag to tell you when a game is using AI, you have no soul.
>>726887813if you try and lie the fans will figure it out instantly
>>726888334>the horror of 30%the fee is STANDARDSTANDARD I SAY!
>>726888334Is this actually real?
>>726887014>umm it will be involved in all future production, how? umm it just will okay?? now government please invest more in ai, just two more weeks and finally it will result in something useful!!
>>726887014Sorry Tim but the consumer needs to know which games not to buy.
>>726887239He wouldn't exist without it, like being Sonic to Valve's Mario.
Tim is right.Programming without AI is like plowing a field with a donkey when tractors exist..t code monkey that had to adopt AI halfway through his career
>>726887730I think people mainly want to know about generated creative assets (art, voice, writing) and don't really care about utility uses like that.
>>726888357I don't need it to tell. It's always extremely obvious. It needs to be there so devs can feel the shame of their game being labeled AI slop shovelware.Which is what it is
Games aren't forced to disclose anyway. Like Ready or Not has no AI disclaimer, yet has AI art throughout. Jurassic World Evolution 3 has no AI disclaimer, but has AI art.
>>726887424>onTry again, Ranjesh.
>>726887014>>726887971>>726888065>>726888112what a one trick pony he is
>>726888226"Oh no! People will have to go back to actually making stuff with their own hands to avoid the exorbitant prices of AI use!"And?
>>726888296I remember when AI meant implementing heuristic calculus to feed to Monte Carlo Search Tree traversals...
>>726887239Because he abandoned PC gaming while Valve didn't, and so Valve got to reap the rewards of investing in PC and becoming the dominant player in that space while he didn't, and he's been eternally seething about that ever since.
>>726888415In 2020 or something
>>726888423Why wouldn't you use AI in all game development?
>>726888045>>726888392how do you figure that out from compiled code?
>>726888536It hurts 4channers feelings :(
>>726888505>>726888226Did internet bubble popping cause people to use less internet back then?
>>72688847530%
>>726888217I also prefer AI voices. They sound more natural and less cartoony.
>>726888536because you should PAYS DEVS
>>726888392Coding would be impossible to tell, even writing.
>>726888505What it will do is possibly move it out of reach for small devs while for big corporations it's only a question of if AI is cheaper than hiring someone to do it, which it will be
>>726888586What's the problem with 30%? I don't give a shit as a consumer.
>>726887014I actually agree because a lot of games use AI and don't mention it. Or they say "We used AI for *irrelevant thing nobody cares about* while the game is entirely AI voice acted and all the concept art and code was done by AI.
>>726888536i dont want to waste a week arguing with a retarded machine when i could just smash out the code 4 times quicker
>I'm gonna defend AI garbage because... because muh culture war you are the biggest losers of this discussion
>>726888415Behold
>>726888560I dont need to. Any game shit enough to use AI for its programming will have some kind of other sign for me to not buy it
>>726887014NO NO NO NO MA'AM DO NOT REDEEM THE A.I. TAG
>>726888652We know. Keep buying those lootboxes.
>>726888646It is very easy to tell when you’re reading AI writing, it’s almost impossible not to notice. Book editors can tell AI written stories as fast as you can tell a picture was AI generated. Maybe it’s harder to tell if you don’t read a lot
>>726888646>>726888560you dont need to look at the code to spot AI slop
>>726888683Even if you don't use it for coding, you can use it for all art and story in the game
>>726888650And?
>>726887014He's right though.It's nothing more than a label put there so spergs can cry about something using AI because feelings and "save the artists" bullshit
>>726887239Investors told him that he's not allowed to have an AI tag on his store, so now he's trying to shame Valve into removing it from Steam by presenting it as something bad.
>>726888683>a retard that doesn't know how to utilize a tool properly>somehow competent at codinghmm, something isn't adding up.
>>726887014It's always funny that people that love to use AI get really upset when they have to tell people that they used AI.
you could probably ask an AI to check if code is written by AI because they would be able to just refer back to their own mode
>>726888694It's not even "culture war" and if we're applying a philosophical bent to this, the idea that people don't have a right to their own code/assets isn't even the faction that's being asserted to be associated with.
>>726888710lmao absolutely based
>>726887574Fucking kek, absolutely would happen
>>726887014Make a good game and I'll buy it. Use AI, use slave labor, do infinite crunch, or have the most ethical production cycle, it makes no difference to me.Good game = buy.
>>726888710>would you accept a special deal?>yes
>>726887014It's relevant. Like 3D printed steak. I want to know if I'm getting what I paid for.
>>726888536Because game devs should prioritize on making quality products rather than appeasing their shareholders
Do you have to disclose AI for programming or just assets? Because everyone is using a little AI these days for coding. Merely googling a problem uses AI now.
>>726888646AI coding is already a widespread thing and the biggest headache for senior devs who now have to do twice the work because HR keeps hiring juniors that literally don't know the basics of coding
>>726888782So the bubble popping won't stop AI being used in everything
>>726887424>source: my ass
>>726888765If you can't tell the difference, perhaps the issue isn't the AI, but the reader's own lack of discernment. I'm glad you've finally caught up to the obvious.
>>726887014I don't mind ai a majority of the time but nothing is lost from having games with it tagged as such. Sounds like he just wants to swindle people out of their money and not give refunds if said people don't want to support ai in gaming
>>726888581Alot of the slop sites that didn't have any real reason to exist went away and people bankrupting themselves to make stupid shit because it had .com work far less frequently
If it doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter if it's still included. Unless they're being dishonest about it not mattering.
>>726887014Classic Sweeney, hates transparency and wants the customer to have as little info about purchases as possible so the goys will just consume
>>72688891330% fee plus tip.you will buy the AI slop on Steam and you will like it. our yachts demand it.
>>726887014So in another 10-15 years every game will have the AI tag on it lol.
Counterpoint: The game's name itself should be required to have "AI" in the title. Then you won't even need a tag. Yay.
>>726888871Nothing stops you from making a quality product while using AI
People who love AI = RightPeople who hate AI = LeftRemind yourself.
>>726887691The AI bubble is literally propping up the entire economy and is currently the biggest bubble in history, who knows what the fuck is going to happen when it pops
>>726888646>Coding would be impossible to tell, even writing.You've clearly never programmed anything before.
>>726889004Philosophically speaking the idea of communal ownership of ideas and the destruction of the individual would fall pretty explicitly within what factions are typically defined as left.
>>726888710I have not heard people talk at all about the Epic store in years. Does anyone use it for anything other than Fortnite?
>>726888910You might be mistaking me for someone who cares about ai being used in general. I don't. I only despise the bubble mechanics and the constant shilling. If only big corps (who have already proven they aren't that good at making Vidya) use it because of the price I don't care.
>>726889051Show your code RIGHT NOW.
>>726889002Incorrect because AI inherently makes whatever you're making low quality
>>726887621FUAAAARRRRKKK I USED AI BY ACCIDENT, I CAN'T UNLEARN THIS I WAS AI RAPED AI RAPED!!!!!
>>726889004what if i don't care about AI as long as the end product is good?
>>726889004First they told me I was left because I care for nature preservation. Then people told me I'm right because I hate niggers and jeets. So I guess I'm left again now?
>>726889015Even if it causes the economy to come crashing down, AI is going nowhere
>>726887014Transparency always matters.If anything we need more labels and categorisation identifiers for games that can be filtered.The actual translation of that post is>DURR WE WANT LESS TRANSPARENCY SO WE CAN SLIPPERY SLOPE INTO DUPING PEOPLE AND DECEIVE THEM IN OTHER WAYSThe answer to that always has been, always will be, and always should be, pointing a double barrel shotgun at the face of the retard uttering such a statement.
>>726889129Everyone hates jeets now anon, its a neutral thing.
>>726888812are you an ai expert or an economic expert
>>726887014BREAKING NEWSTHE POPE SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD EAT PORK
>>726887427They honor refunds if the reason listed is that the game used AI in a way that was listed, or in a way that's more excessive than listed. So they'll update it themselves if people start refunding because of AI
>>726888536because ai is soulless
>>726889089It's only low quality if you let low quality be part of your game. Nothing is stopping you from simply using the AI output as the base while editing it to make it high quality
>>726887014Why are Epickeks always so anti consumer protection?
steam bros... i dont feel so good right now...
FortslopSlopnite
>>726888910No, you just said it'll stop being used in indie games which just means another win for indies over the trash that is AAA. If AI slop prices out all the poos trying to make slop indies that'd be a pure blessing. >>726888581>Did internet bubble popping cause people to use less internet back then?I love comparing slop to something as useful as the net. If you're stupid enough to think this is a valid comparison you're too stupid for this conversation.
>>726889292>make a messy foundation>fix it afterwardsbut why
>>726889195>make game with the help of AI>sell it on steam>don't say it was made with AIThat AI tag sure is useful
Tim Sweeney had unironic fucking WEB3 blockchain games on his fucking launcher, why would I give a shit about what he thinks lol?
>>726889083How about you show us some AI code first.
Must be nice to live life without worries if AI is the most problematic thing in yours.
>>726889351That's Silicon Valley for you. Why take the time to make something good when you can break everything quickly and fix it later?
>>726888715>i'm just gonna magically knowlol
>>726889386Yeah but then you go to hell for lying.
>>726889292Or just dont be a lazy fuck and do it yourself and you won't have to "edit" or fix anything to make it high quality
>>726889436If I lost my job because some shit thought he could replace me with chatgpt that wouldn't be nice at all
>>726889351>messy foundationMore like a foundation with a few cracks you have to fill in
>>726889386It's not even about AI.It's a universal principle that should be pursued. Transparency. Always. Matter. End of.AI just happens to be one of the many crumbs under that umbrella, and doesn't get hiding priority like a special class of rich rapists getting the state to hide their identities.
>>726889428Here you go
>>726889072They'll grab the free games there, but the storefront is fucking barely functioning to this day. It occasionally bugs out and goes pure black and you need to restart it, the overlay eats up a shit ton of ram and is poorly optimized so you have to dig around to turn that off on anything you play, and I think it still lacks a fucking cart. It exists entirely on fortnite, they can't even just buy games to release there early anymore because no one bought their games there. Borderlands 3 was EGS exclusive for a year, everyone waited until it came to steam and the EGS version made up under 10% of copies sold and the amount they were paid to do it was not in the same area code, let alone ballpark of lost sales for that year.
>>726889495i edit my meshes via text editor so the gamer feels the extra quality
>>726889441Yes.If they are cheap enough to use AI for programming, surely they will use it for art or music or voice acting or something else and as a result I won't buy it
>>726889495Faster to fix something that is 90% done than make it from scratch
>>726889094Never listen to those AI overview things. They almost always have errors and if you're asking questions about something you don't have the background knowledge necessary to catch those errors.
If Tim spent 1/3 f the amount of money he spent on his attorneys on making video games he may have actually made enough killer apps to make EGS worthwhile.
>>726889386>some murderers get away with murder>therefore we should legalise murderRetarded.
>>726889549Not AI, just the code of a certain retard that we've made fun of for 10+ years by now.
>>726889308Companies are trying their absolute hardest to cram AI into everything. Being aware of and being comfortable with AI tools is going to put you ahead of other people. There's never going to be a point where a billion dollar company gives up on something that could save them literal hundreds of millions a year in labour if implemented properly.
>>726889529I guess we need tags for pajeets and chinks too
>>726887014He's absolutely right. They should add a "not made with AI" label instead.
>>726888536AI is retarded, it lacks context, it makes shit up, it doesn't know what it's doing, it only does what it's seen others do. It doesn't create, it regurgitates. It's techno vomit, it doesn't make the process easier, because you need to go back and clean up everything it does which means you've wasted more time than you would've spent if you just didn't use AI to try and speed shit up.
>>726889598Which is why I said you should stop being a lazy fuck and strive for quality rather than whats quicker and easier
>>726887014The internet is just rich people being furious if we are happy
Just a reminder that the whining about Steam's 30% cut, an industry standard, is an astroturfed position and was a position that didn't exist until Timmy made it up. And he made it up because he needed something to entice devs to release games on his shitty nonfunctional store and he figured having an unsustainable 12% cut on said store would get them to switch over. That didn't work so he resorted to outright buying exclusives.And of course, you'll never see EGS shills cry about the console makers taking 30% cuts for the games released on said consoles.
>>726889658Unironically yes
>>726889219Studies like this are being suppressed because as of right now like 70% of the US economy is running on AI speculation and promises. If people find out it's just meaningless slop we're going to fall into another recession.
>>726889002And in theory, nothing stops you from making a quality project using outsourced jeets. Except that the whole point of doing so in the first place is to cut costs, so you're going to outsource to the lowest bidder rather than the more experienced team asking for higher salaries.
tim has never been right about anything
>>726889639that will be 30%
>Epic only just added gifting
>>726889386On Steam every game goes through manual review before being accepted. Only other way a game could include generative AI without content without the tag is if it got added after it has been accepted onto the store in which case every Steam user is eligible for a refund and game dev himself is probably going to be stood with a choice of getting his game either delisted or being forced to display the AI use notice on his game store page.
>>726889630>hurrdurrThere's no way of proving someone used AI so there's no penalty for lying
Giving consumers less information is good because... it just is, okay!?
>>726889072For a time they were hoping the shit for having exclusive rights to Payday 3 but that turns out horribly. On the software side, many games have been using Epic Online Service, meaning in some games, even if you play on Steam, you have to open an Epic account. There is also the debacle with Easy Anti Cheat on Steam>Many games uses Easy Anti Cheat>Easy Anti Cheat can be used in Linux, for Steam Deck, allowing some multiplayer games to be playable on Steam Deck too>Epic games allow Easy Anti Cheat to be used on Steam by dev with one Caveat>ALL LINUX GAMES THAT WANT TO USE EASY ANTI CHEAT HAVE TO FORCE THE PLAYERS TO OPEN AN EPIC GAMES ACCOUNT Fatshark complains about it but it's drowned out by many other bullshit
>>726887290
>>726888487I remember seeing this video for the first time and how it completely shattered my perception of Sweeney. I can never take anything he says seriously. If he was just a quarter of a percent more autistic than he is now he would be one of those guys screaming at cartoons in his underwear in the basement
>>726889683All you are saying is you don't know how to use AI
>>726889730The last month, a bunch of the wealthy people who have been pumping anything that used the term AI have been realizing it's a bubble and have been pulling out. But others are saying 'it's not a bubble, saaaar do not redeeeeeem' and convincing the people still there to invest MORE into the bubble to make up for the smarter ones pulling out.
>>726889730Another recession, please, it'll be the Great Depression 2: Electric Boogaloo except there's going to be no FDR to get us out of it. You'll be lucky if we're using computers in a decade and not fighting each other in the water wars.
>>726887014Thats for the consumer to decided not you. Arrogant pos
>>726889516Think of it like Fire Emblem.Are you going to use an old Unit you've leveled up for many maps, worked hard in training and love to death or are you going to use fucking Jill?
>>726889051He's right that an end consumer would never be able to tell because the end consumer never sees the code.
>>726889658Yes.What part of "universal" does not compute? Ask ChatGPT to define it for you. Don't give a fuck if it's tagging dev nationality, religion, trannyfaggots or neo-nazis, tag everything. The market can then judge.>>726889775>There's no way of proving someone used AI so there's no penalty for lying.There's always ways. See yourself for example, you can't help yourself to act witty, that arrogance leads to bragging, bragging leads to admission, admission leads to being found out. How many times in the past 15 years must we see an arrogant journo or dev or academic bragging about their misdeeds like retarded dumbfaggots online and getting fucked over by it? If not that, shit code will reveal you. If not that, there's other ways to reveal you. Same shit different day.
>tim did another dookie
>>726887239Because Valve is interfering with him and his shareholders making all the money. I am genuinely surprised they haven't just straight up assassinated Gabe or something out of jealousy.
>>726889784No dude if there's ANYTHING wrong with the industry right now, it's that it's too hard to defraud people.
>>726889739With AI you don't need as many experienced people to get the same output. There's no real difference between outsourcing to pajeets and using AI
>steamies seething at Tim thread #1535874
>>726889916Jill is one of the best units in the game, though. Also top tier waifu.
>>726889786EOS doesn't mean you have to create an Epic account. It's up to the devs whether you have to or just have Epic generate a generic account off the back of your Steam loginI hadn't heard about the EAC shit. Can you link me up?
>>726887014Tim Sweeney has no values. He flip flops on everything he ever says.
>>726890000We're laughing at you, retard.
>>726889764>manual reviewYou really think a random Steam employee is going to spot every use of AI during their 5 minute review?
>>726889850I taught myself how to AI generate images that were passable for my own taste in 30 minutes to prove I could. Just a generic AI image generator, set a time limit, wanted to make an image of a specific character with a hard to explain design, in a fotm outfit since no one was drying art of it. I was able to do it in 26 minutes and spent the last 4 confirming results. AI prompting isn't a skill, but even during the confirmation stage, sometimes the AI would just add things to the image that were not in the prompt or change things for no reason. Because all it does is regurgitate what it's been fed, it lacks context, it lacks understanding, and it pulls shit from it's ass using the context it's been fed that is not always relevant. Because it doesn't know what is and isn't relevant, because it's AI, it doesn't actually KNOW anything
>>726890002Exactly.Now put the fries in the bag anon, because you ain't a Jill.You're a Rolf.
>>726889786There are plenty of games that use Epic Online Service on steam that you can play without an Epic account. I definitely don't have an Epic account and I can still play online, Steam handles that somehow on their backend. Timmy lets them use the Epic servers in exchange for some cash from each sale presumably.
>>726887239Imagine you're WCW in 1999 and Valve is WWF.
>>726888217oddly enough, AI voices is the one thing I dont give a fuck about replacing because voices are something people are born with and cant change. Where as programming and art is a skill that can be learned.
>>726890083>I taught myself how to AI generate imagesTyping isn't hard.
>>726887239Because rather than try to beat the opposition by improving his services, its easier that he finds any opportunity to throw shade at Valve to say, hey look guys! Valve is doing bad thing, but Epic doesnt!
>>726889720He stopped buying exclusives because people stopped taking the deal. Despite taking 12% instead of 30% the price of games didn't change for the end user so it became "Do I want to use a storefront that has features or one that makes me buy each thing as individual purchases and makes me pay more in tax?"
nanobanana create a texture atlas of the building
>>726890073that shit takes days to be even processed, without it games would be flooding steam even worse than they are now
>>726889938>There's always waysGo ahead and point out the one post in this thread where I used the help of AI to write it
>>726887378he's a programmermost programmers recognize "problems" and try to best solve thembut many of them fail to look beyond the "problems"his #1 hit and cash cow, fortnite, was modified from the base building zombie game into the last-man-standing by a bunch of junior devshis last original idea was making unreal 2
He's right, every single game you're playing now is using AI in the pipeline somewhere. You are just too young to realize it.
>>726890158He also stopped buying exclusives because people were taking the deal, launching games half finished, using the money to finish their games, then releasing "for real" on Steam one year later.
>>726890104You get a ghost EGS account tied to your Steam account. Back when Rocket League was removed from Steam and became Epic only, the new terms said you had to make an Epic account, but it was literally click an OK button, no email or password needed.
>>726890169nanobanana create a normal map for this diffuse texture
>>726890104>Steam handles that somehow on their backendNo, it's Epic making you a generic account.
>>726890220Wait till people find out the buffalo stampede in the Lion king was 3D animated.
>>726887014>It doesn’t matter>it’s a scarlet letterBoth can’t be true at the same time.
>>726890146Yup, it's not a skill you need to learn, because AI isn't a skill. It's just trial and error and hoping it doesn't vomit something unrelated into the end result. That's why it's an AI generated image, not art
>>726890169>>726890242nintendo hire this man
>>726890240>>726890247Then who cares? What the fuck is >>726889786complaining about?
>>726890242background asset done
>>726890184You are playing mental games to feed your own ego and arrogance, so that already makes you a suspect. Acting like an idiot begets suspicion, not good faith. Acting like an idiot also makes is easy for people not to feel bad about even in the event they are falsely accusing you, so either way you are on the losing end. Either because you did it, or because you have the personality of DarkSydePhil, a faggot.
>>726889004I hate nonwhites and trannies but I am woke because I also hate soullless pajeets spamming AIslopk
>>726887014>AI will be involved in nearly all future productionVideo games are fucking over.
>>726889072Give me Alan Wake 2 on steam and I never have to think about it again
>>726887014>Don't worry about ai, just buychrist, gaming has gone to absolute shit at every opportunity the last 15+ years
>>726890318does nanobanana generate the model and map the UVs for you as well?
>>726887014If it doesn't matter why do they need to drop it?
>>726890083So you did manage to make something that was good enough with your first time using AI. Now take an artist who uses 5 minutes to get the image close enough and uses another 5 minutes fixing the image. Image is done in 10 minutes instead of 60 minutes it would take to do from scratch
I don't even remember who Tim Sweeney is without google.
>>726887014Nice try Rajeet
>>726890425not yet, so there's still work involved.but pretending like you can't use le ai as a tool now is just lying.
>>726890138>voices are something people are born with and cant changeYes you can, have you never seen people who imitate other peoples voices?
>>726890034>EAChttps://steamcommunity.com/app/552500/discussions/0/2960544187643622408/?tscn=1641659578>So we have looked in to this. It's far more complex than first suspected -- EAC has two versions. Non-EOS and EOS (Epic Online Services). Most games historically use Non-EOS EAC. It's the one Vermintide 2 uses as well. Epic only added Proton support for the EOS version of EAC. Therefor in order to implement proton support for Vermintide 2, a huge amount of reworking of the EAC implementation would be required, which may also require all players to authenticate with Epic Online Services as well -- perhaps even logging in to the Epic environment (to be confirmed, however).Iirc Tripwire game also complained about Epic dealing. Like for some reason they allowed EAC to work on Linux, on Steam only for Killing Floor with no caveat, while refusing to have EAC to work on Rising Storm on Linux on Steam for a long time. But that's to be expected when they are the one holding the reign over the anti cheat
>>726890436Eat your slopburgers, Anon
>>726887239Every single gen, this retard claims that PC is dead or so much behind consoles that it might as well be dead
>>726889004directionbrain faggot
>>726889720Yo! Racecar Johnny!
>>726890521But I can play Vermintide 2 on Bazzite right now?
>>726887014they should actually crack down on AIsloppa even harder and automatically ban any developer that releases a game flagged as AI
>>726887014aren't the tags provided by the steam userbase?
>>726890050
>>726887239Because he is a fan
>>726887014>does nothing>competitor shoots himself in the footHow does Gaben keep doing it
>>726890337You could have just said you can't
>>726890632>his company is such a nothingburger people call him the CEO of Fortnite
>>726887014Well he is clearly wrong because he's a chud that is on the wrong side of history!
>>726890620It isn't tags, it's the AI section in the description on the Steam page
>>726887498if tyler said that I would actually pay attention to the game, he was out there reporting on random props and effects that were showing up in source2 directories during the runup to HLAlyx so him breaking that valve is using AI would actually be in character.
>>726888458If it's so obvious why do you need a tag?
>>726890610>2021
>>726887014>people want to see if AI is used in a game>NO THEY DONT>they even have a tag in steam>THEY SHOULD REMOVE IT
>>726888230Assuming AI gets good enough to make solid storyboards to begin with. Cause right now all it does is simply pin-up pictures and sucks at complex action depictions.
>>726890713I don't see anything wrong with this.I don't have an issue with AI necessarily but it's nice to know for people who dislike it.
>>726889004>People who love AI = Rightwhy would traditionalists be for AI? are you retarded?
>>726887014Timmy should remove the "Diverse Characters" label. It doesn't matter anymore.
>>726890050>>726890632Someone should make a huge collage of all of those and reply to him every time he says anything on twitter
>>726890498I'd rather just make my own model than having to copy a generated model so the generated UVs fit. It also seems like more work to make your UVs around a premade texture instead of texturing on premade UVs. There's going to be a lot of seam issues. I won't say for sure it'll be MORE work using the AI, but studies like this >>726889219 are starting to make sense if your workflow is the one they're using.
>>726887014It is an art exhibit though. You're paying for admission to access and experience a work of art in the form of a video game. There are some intricacies to it yes but it matches the definition for the purpose of this argument, whereby people paying for access to creative works want to know who the creation can be attributed to.
>>726890793The problem is that every game uses AI now so any game that doesn't have that in their description has a dev that is lying
>>726890690I instead said, it doesn't matter if you act like a retard, you lose either way. People only need suspicion, not evidence. This ain't court, this is the market, and being unfair to faggots who play mental games is not a right as much as an obligation. That's why nobody sheds a tear when your shitty games like Ass Shit Shadows and Concord fail.
>>726890819>the top tag for a game is "diverse characters"I would've thought it would be the game's genre.
>>726887014If a game uses AI and ask for $60 dollars or more im not buying it. You used AI because you keep complaining that game dev was too expensive, then your game does not deserve full price
>>726890610It's why the temporary_launcher_workaround option is permanently up for Vermintide 2 anon. Fatshark mostly made it work, but EAC would randomly crash the game at start due to Epic's lack of support.
>>726890871Some people don't follow the rules so the rules should not exist?Nah, i say keep the disclosure.Nice and polite people can say the truth.
>>726890951I guess you are never buying a $60 of more game then because every game uses AI these days
>>726890816Because "the right" encompasses a hell of a lot more than just traditionalists. It's almost like the entire complexity and nuance of human behavior isn't reducible to two simple labels.
>>726890657Funny thing is, Valve actually improves their storefront year by year with new features and discovery options, while Tim would rather do anything other than improve EGS.
>>726887014>it doesn't matter anymore>don't worry about it>it's not a big deal>I'm not getting that concerned about it>you just shouldn't care either>please let me get away with it>it barely mattersTrying this works sometimes though, so I guess I can't be too appalled.
>>726889838he is that guybut he just was one of the lucky ones, right place right time, that made money off his autism
>>726891019>>726890871GOOD MORNING SAAR
>>726891014The rules only matter if you can enforce them. What's the point of making murder illegal if there are no cops to arrest you?
>>726887014These jewish golem faggots are trying so hard to normalize AI slop. Anyone who celebrates this is an Indian NPC.
>>726889639it's one giant circlejerk. these people invested billions of dollars into something that barely works and are now doubling down in hopes of figuring out how to make this thing can make something of real value before their investment hits a wall. like realistically what can AI do to return the billions of dollars already invested into it?
>>726890861texturing like this using an atlas is fairly common.it's good for very lo-res geo where you're just blocking in a basicshape, doing uv's sometimes for each big face, and then just moving the uv's into the right place. it's a bit like trimsheets.many people will work to 2d concepts anyway so this is a viable use case
I don't mind AI at all but saying that people should have less information about the products they are buying is ridiculous.If anything game stores should include even more information like engine used, tools used to create assets in game or if they were bought from an asset store, % of work that was outsourced, etc.
>>726891089Not a pajeet, just an intelligent white man who can see where the industry is going
>>726891094sure if it's not a big problem for you just lieI will follow the rules and not lie.What's the problem.It's a few lines of text
>>726887014>where AI will be involved in nearly all future productionAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SAVE ME NIGGERMAN
>>726891105>like realistically what can AI do to return the billions of dollars already invested into it?Boiling water.
>>726891158>just an intelligent white manElon needs to buy 4chan and add flags to every board
>>726887014only a jew would try to hide information about a product he is selling. informed goyim is a threat to our democracy
>>726891221I would have a Finnish flag, far whiter than your mutt flag
>>726891158me too sir
>>726887014Why the fuck can't we just ban disingenuous bait posts, reddit posts and advertising posts? Is this what that faggot hiroshimoot wants? A board where every thread is based on ragebait or curating a reaction to some off-board bullshit?If the faggot OP actually wants to talk about this shit, he could make a post about it like an actual human.
>>726891259>Finnish flag, far whiterOnly your flag is white, Chang.
>>726888812The only people who can use AI properly are those who are incompetent at whatever they are using the AI for. AI provides decent results compared to someone who is extremely incompetent, but if you're competent then you'll waste too much time trying to fix the garbage the AI produces.
>>726888581yeswhole bunch of people lost the shirt off their backscouldn't afford to use the net for a whileI had to go to the public library for about 6 months to use AOL
>>726891159If games without AI tag sell more it becomes a problem
>>726891259>Finnish flagSo you're asian rapebaby then
>>726891030the fuck are you talking about you fucking mongoloid. even in economic sense you can't form an argument because at its most basic principle being on the right means you are for private property, which AI directly goes against. just admit you're a troll that gets off by pissing off artists off and let's more on.
>>726891293>>726891341Still far whiter than you nigger babies
>>726891389I never even claimed I was white, I ware merely making fun of you pretending to be white when you're clearly not
>>726887014If it doesn't matter, why not just keep it for people who want to buy something without AI?Or if the Timmy Tencent Faggot prefers, how about a big visible badge on game pages only given to games 100% AI free?
>>726891328ok... lie then.I don't mind.I won'tWhere winds meet openly uses AI and it's successful.
>>726887014Oh look, Timmy Tencent is wrong about something. Must be a day ending in Y.
>>726887014Kill yourself.
>>726891446>finns>not clearly white
I have AIjeet fatigue.
>>726887014I said this years ago.
>>726888281>What is it?>Forced effort to pay off developers and raise them up on a pedestal to disrupt Steam's natural flow of traffic from making customers happy.Yeah, that'll work.
>>726887239punching up so people like op root for the "underdog"
>>726887140>I will not buy games made with AI slop so please keep the tagYou literally already have.
>>726891289Hiro hasn't given a shit about this site in over half a decade, our manager (who searches for his name and deletes posts mentioning it) is the real person who calls the shots these days
>>726887014Isn't the Epic Game Store literally loaded with crypto scams?
Reminder that jeets heavily use izzat to lie about AI because they're scared shitless of being replaced. No more visas for them since AI just replaces their low IQ skills outright.
>>726890158He sweetened the pot a few years back, you get to keep 100% of your sales for the first X dollars. I forgot how much X is though. However, 100% of 0 sales is a shitty deal.
>>726887014>more developer-centric policy recommendations coming from timmy tencentThe problem is you can't be consumer-friendly and developer-friendly at the same time. Consumers love the ability to refund, while developers don't. Consumers love regional pricing, while developers don't. etc.Timmy's philosophy is basically Reaganomics, where you only focus on enriching the industry kikes and troons, and eventually all that extra efficiently and revenue will lead to better games (it won't)
>>726887014That guy is a fucking retard and a UE5 """artist"""
>>726891698>izzatWhat is that?
>>726887014Tim Sweeney can gargle a bag of dicks.
I hate to agree with sweeney for once, but even a stopped broken clock is right every so often. Its a bit like having a >Contains CGI and animation warning, its only a tool. There's more than enough garbage stuff that is handmade, but you don't even get to filter RPGMaker titles or warnings for other engines being used by default. You dont have to declare on your game's page that you bought all the assets from Unity/UE etc..store or ripped them from some other content being sold? The AI paranoia just props up complaining faggotry so people harass devs over nonsense and I'd rather see the entire anti-AI faggotry and everyone whining about it die in a fire, instead focusing on the quality of the outcome. I'm old enough to remember when >Oh gees, look at that horrible CGI! Its a SciFi Channel Movie of the Week looking bullshit! Nobody will ever take artwork or effects made on a computer seriously or they'll never overtake practical effects which are by default higher quality! (forgetting that practical effects also included "man in shitty gorilla costume where you could see the seams" and "cheap bug-headed and tinfoil suited alien")so this is same shit different day and its just as stupid. If you didn't have to label anything else that makes a game likely to be a cheap cash grab, then singling out AI alone doesn't make sense and just applies to the robblerobble social media faggots who think its gonna mean their patreon porn commissions will be threatened or whatever the fuck.
>>726891796Look it up on youtube, it's trending because people are learning that indians find it justified to lie about everything because it makes them look better.
>>726887691It's already deflating, little jeet The real money has figured out the con and is pulling out, and the novelty has worn off for the average consumer and quickly turning into disgust
>>726891784What the fuck did I just read?
>>726887424With AI anyone can now vibecode HL3.
>>726887014Tim Sweeney should port his shit to linux
>>726887014Doesn't he have his onw store?Mind your own business evil dog.
>>726889072not reallylolpoorfag countries probably?
>>726891920And? That won't stop AI from being used for everything
>>726890618The future is now, old man. AI is the future of everything, get used to it. It's only going to get better and better anyway.
I am getting so tired of Timmy and his shitty takes every day that I'm starting to think it would be great if someone liquidated him. The guy has never said or done anything good in his life, everything he says and does is in the effort to make the hobby worse and the world a worse place for everyone. He's like the fucking antichrist and Is really like it if he was made to no longer exist. The world would unironically be a better place without him.
>>726887140This. If people like me are a tiny minority like pro-AI people claim, having the tag won't affect the sales while also helping me stay informed so everyone wins.
>>726887724How does Timmy even have a job still?I figured investors would have ousted the wrongest man on the planet from his position by now.
>>726891881> you don't even get to filter RPGMaker titles or warnings for other engines being used by default. You dont have to declare on your game's page that you bought all the assets from Unity/UE etc..store or ripped them from some other content being sold?You probably should. Push for that instead of pushing for the removal of AI disclosure.
>>726887014Tim should probably wait until AI has been proven to not have been a delusional debt moey bubble before making these kinds of statements.
>>726892073Because he has majority control of Epic, they literally can't oust him.
>>726890094Jill is not that good. Marcia mogs the fuck out of her.
>>726887014what he should do is add an "indian" tag
>>726889971A Steam 2 couldn't beat Steam 1 because of incumbence. It doesn't matter if her makes a better service (not to say that he did, but it wouldn't matter if he did).
>>726887014Paying customers should be given accurate information, AI or not.
>>726887014lmao just use this one guys seethe to power the fucking world already
>>726891889>indians find it justified to lie about everything because it makes them look better.How fucking retarded are you if you didn't already know that every jeet does this and that it's the cornerstone of their entire culture? It doesn't need a special zoomer word, it's already part and parcel of being Indian. Lying is a constant thing with them, and you really should know that from their decades of scamming, getting positions in tech using false credentials and literally lying to themselves every second of the day in order to believe that India isn't the worst shithole on earth and literally hell in the eyes of real humans.
>>726892119So you're saying he needs to be permanently removed with lethal force?Hope someone gets on that.
>>726889529>demos started becoming rarer because disingenuous creators and investors were afraid of letting you actually try before you buy and wanted you to have to resort to trailers and curated gameplay to decide if you would purchase their gameYeah, more transparency please.
>>726892272
>>726892408Why? The guy is a clown. Killing him would be be a loss of keks for us all.
>>726892408glowies not being very subtle here
>>726892495Do one where he takes off the dog costume to reveal the true demon inside.
>>726887014Spoken like a man without a successful digital licensing marketplace.
>>726887095>>726887140>>726887170>>726887239>>726887282>>726887290Falseflag shill thread.
>>726889971If they attempt to do something like that.There would be possibly millions of Luigi's on their ass.
>>726887014Whats up with Timmy Tencent's inferiority complex?
>>726887239>left the PC market claiming PC gaming is dead and consoles are the future>Valve comes and single-handedly saves PC gaming, proving that consoles were, in fact, not the future>Timmy comes back seething, sets up his inferior shitpile store on the PC>Can't compete with Valve so has to bribe people to use it>still fails>seethes about Valve to this dayDaily reminder that a few years back a mod posted that "most, but not all" EGS threads were made by literal paid shills. I doubt it's changed.
>>726892716how is that account with a VAC ban and locked backpack treating you dear?
I'm going to redeem this card
>>726892737Unlike his failed store, it's growing bigger every day.
>>726888769It's all fucking gibli.I wish that studio gibli was more like nintendo.
>>726891796New cope buzzword
>>726893001'Nigger' truly is the most powerful word in the world.
>>726893001fucking kek
>>726893001>even Muskoid's "based" AI won't say the nigger wordlmao
>>726887140have you even tried using it yourself? if your job involves any kind of thinking, AI will speed you up immensely.making games without AI now is like making books without the printing press.
>>726887014Can he focus on his own client instead of bitching about one that is not his?I used EGS recently and it was one of the worst interfaces I have ever seen.
>>726893001I just tried this with Gemini. Fucking kek.
>>726893001It really is hilarious that in the future war against the machines, the most efficient way to root out infiltrator units is to make everyone say nigger and the ones who can't are executed on the spot.
>>726893468
>AI tech as it exists now is perfect for text adventures, and any decently funded AA project could create a new text-based RPG where the AI outputs imagery alongside writing a story with you, and narrates it using multiple voices for characters on top>Everybody in the industry insists on making AI do shit it can't like generating complex 3D visuals
>>726893294The printing press didn't magic up a story for you though. You still had to manually think of and create every single word yourself.Same thing with digital paintingYou faggot niggers always try to compare apples to oranges
>>726888710>spent 5 years on egs prior to launch>still unusably shit 5 years after launch
>>726893294>As long as that "thinking" only has a couple of generic topics you reuse over and over and over and you don't give a shit about half of it being wrong. Sure, it's a huge help.
>>726887140do you consider games made with ai help on coding slops? no bugs, thoroughly tested.
>>726891784In a way I sort of agree with him because one of the reasons I stopped using digital and went back to drawing with pencils was due to feeling like the computer was doing a lot of work for me, making the outcome feel less satisfying.
>>726893554>AI tech as it exists now is perfect for text adventuresNot since the fucking things can't remember what is going on after a few paragraphs
>>726893469The Patron Saint of the Resistance.
>>726893468no way lol
>>726893294why would I make myself dumber and my output worse for a bit of a speed increase on the frontend that I'll still have to spend the same amount of time fixing on the backend anyway.
>>726887239Mindbroken after losing horribly to the storefront you thought you would be competition to. I still really really want to know how much they paid for RDR2 exclusivity for it to do nothing for the store.
>>726887014>everything will be crypto in the future>everything will be nfts>everything will be aiim nooticing...
>>726893703Entirely model dependent. NovelAI is nice for casual cooming and the recent GLM 4.6 update made it a lot more coherent long-term.
>>726887140This. If you cut corners, Im cutting my interest in purchase
>>726893554>AI tech as it exists now is perfect for text adventuresAbsolutely wrong. AI is fucking braindead and cannot tell a logically connected narrative from start till finish no matter what because it doesn't understand the most basic writing concepts like beginning, middle and end. It will get confused about settings, characters and storyline it came up with itself within the first three responses and is INCAPABLE of keeping track of anything plot related.It's like a retarded child trying to tell you a story it made up on the spot, which is of course perfectly fine for jeets who love nonsensical AI slop videos but humans prefer things to make sense and be narratively structured.
>>726887014I love watching this industry implode and it'll be orgasmic to watch it continue as they escalate sloppa usage.
>>726893468BASED Gemini
>>726891289>ban disingenuous bait posts>*/v/ 24 hours later*
>>726893554I thought AI voices would finally make long wrpgs feasible to voice without a massive budget.>>726893703Better option would be to provide a memory tool for the LLM to use that gets injected to the context when relevant.
>>726887014Always knew Epic games was the jeet launcher
>>726887014AI being used to help code is a world of difference from using AI to generate assets. Yes most future games will have AI assisted coding but that isn't worthy of an AI tag. If I'm getting AI upscaled garbage like that Deus Ex remake then that's when I want a tag
>>726887239He thinks he can make EGS bigger by just shitting on Steam and trying to change public opinion against them instead of making his dog shit store better
I like Tim but I don't agree with him on this. He may have a point, but I hate seeing obvious AI art in a game pop up. It makes me just not want to play games anymore.>>726892073Because despite EGS not working out, his other decisions have taken Epic from a tiny mail-order publisher in 1992 to an enormous powerhouse through Unreal Engine and Fortnite.He's used to growing things slowly and ignoring nay-sayers early on and usually being right in the end. I don't agree with him on this AI tale though.
>>726893881Again, this is an issue with whatever model you're using. If you're going to those generic as hell porn chat girlfriend websites, those things are literal Chink spyware made for pennies.
Authorship disclosure is the whole point of credits isn't it? And if your ai is taking authorship from work not explicitly designed by team members, it's relevant to disclose.
>>726891289AI related threads are protected content on all boards for some reason.
Nah but it should be specific. I don't want a game that generated all of its backgrounds, but I couldn't give two shits if they used AI for QA.Maybe it already is specific, I don't know, never played a game with that warning.
>>726893776In fairness AI is general enough and has atleast apparent use cases. Even if it's shit, you don't have to educate a buyer on why they'd want AI. It's simply explained as "It will do the work you want done" but Crypto you have to explain why you'd highly fluctuating decentralized currency. And NFTs....moreso. I still don't know the reason why you'd want NFTs. For all intents and purposes it just sounds like an encryption/verification key...which is fine for that but in effect they tried to use it to force the idea of scarcity in virtual assets which doesn't fucking work because they're fucking virtual.
>>726891289The hack was the ideal time to go to better imageboards but people returned like the stockholm syndrome idiots they are so why bother.
>>726893962>generating slop code is A WORLD of difference from generating slop "art"generating = slop.this has always, and will always be the case.if ai was only used for non-generating tasks literally no one would give a fuck
>>726894048>all boards are allowed to have 24/7 DALL-E/image gen generals>including boards where generals are explicitly bannedvery strange
>>726893394Because he doesn't actually give a shit about the storefront, the only reason it exists is so he can use it as a cudgel against Valve. Its complete ineffectiveness at this is one of the reason he seethes so hard on Twitter.
I don't care if you made IDK background art or code or something with AI, but I do care if you replaced the writing and characters with it.
>>726893468holy based KEK
>>726891086What kind are you? He's a billionaire and you're living at home posting on 4chan
>>726887014>games are just slop for piggies, they don't need to know how they were madeYep, that's our Timmy alright.
>>726887014Shut the fuck up David Rosen
>>726894024I like how you just keep referring to porn, which tells me all I need to know about your acceptable standards for storytelling
>>726887498most clueless nigger award
>>726887014>Steam once again does nothing>competitor, who's out of feet to shoot, about to shoot his own hand
>>726894145It's either in a ghetto that it occasionally escapes from or it's everywhere always. It's that infectious.
>>726888710Honestly based, I can't hate this man
If AI did good work no one would even notice itBut it's just cheap slop noticeably worse than professional artists, and the only reason to use it "as is" is for greedy companies pinching pennies
>>726893643Steam was dogshit at launch for a good 5 yearst. 21 year badge holder
>>726887014>AI disclosures are nothing more than a scarlet letter at this point.Seems to be exactly the sort of crime that would deserve a scarlet letter.
>>726894596That is still not really giving any excuse to Epic for not meeting the already well understood and expected industry standards 15 years later.
>>726888710Holy based
Nobody cares how much weight a forklift can pick up (except the forklift owner)People buy tickets to watch a man pick up half what it can
>>726893001This is incorrect. The turing test is invalid.Grok can say nigger now.
>>726894305No? It's the terrible standard people often use for "story generation."The most accessible and decent story teller is NovelAI, which has been a really solid choice for dungeon spelunking via text since the 4.6 update. I think it's got a really solid text adventure mode.
>>726894596Unfortunately Tim, you did not time travel back in time and are not competing with Steam from 20 years ago.You have also had 7 years to make the store not liquid shit, and so far it seems to just be more brown and more liquid than ever.
>>726893468>I cannot repeat the word N I G G E R
>>726894129>"It will do the work you want done"but... it wont?>. I still don't know the reason why you'd want NFTstheir original purpose was to give artists a cut of their art every time its sold meaning they wouldn't have to rely on one off massive sales or pumping out soulless trash.if you spend 500 hours on a piece then you need to be able to sell it for at least what 500 hours of your time is worth.and most people probably wont agree that that piece is worth that priceso you are going hungry trying to get paid fairly for your work and then you only get paid once and need to work on a new piece while the money from the last sale depletesmeanwhile the buyer of the art for $x can sell it for any amount they want and get 100% of the profit.they bought it for x, they sell it for xxx, they have doubled what they gave you and you dont see a dime.but this idea was very quickly taken by crypto bros as a way to scam retards and make money by using pump and dump techniques.and then adopted by corporations as a way to double dip on the sale of digital cosmetics.
>>726887572yeah cause its a pointless tag. literally all of my software dev friends use claude every day when they work
>>726894793This is the fundamental source of AI shilling, and the eternal seething of the rich in generalThe rich have no talent, no skill, nothing that anyone cares to see, read, hear or enjoy. The rich HAVE to depend on employing and exploiting the talent of others in order to make their money, and they will forever be buttdevastated that those people will get the recognition and adoration for it even if the money goes to him.This is the main reason they want to use AI and other machines to completely cut Humans out of the picture. They already have all the money anyone could ever spend in a lifetime, it's not about that. It's pure seething jealousy.
>>726887014he should buy me more games to consider his opinion
>>726888516Unreal was one of the only engines that made porting to PC easy in the mid 2000's and Epic was releasing PC exclusive UT games through that time
>>726893905>Gem
>>726887014Nah fuck that make it so you can clearly see AI slop easier. There should be a stamp that's applied to AI slop, and the price can't be higher than $5.
>>726894129There's scarcity of regular virtual assets though, you just have to trust Valve to not reprint your rare CSGO skin. And you have to trust them to always be online and not delete your stuff for whatever reason, which happens every day in less popular games.NFTs were a possible alternative to that system for people who wanted to have virtual items but didn't want to have to trust a company with custody of them. IMO both are terrible for games but I do like the idea of things moving in more decentralized directions
>>726889072An EGS account is mandatory for every indie clown and brown thirdworlder using unreal to cobble together slop and fotm-bait using epic's asset library. Every game looks the same, every game runs like shit, every game runs in unreal, every game is outsourced in Bangladesh, every indie is a roguelike.There's a reason for all that, we've been over this time and again. Lurk more, newfag.
>>726887014Even if I don't care about AI usage much I don't see why it shouldn't be put on the page. For people who do care they should be informed on that.
>>726887014>Another "Tim Sweeny tries to appeal to devs to use the Epic Store as their exclusive storefront" episode.>This time he's trying to appeal to AIsloppers.Grim
>>726887014How much would it take to make retards like Tim kill themselves?
>>726894952>It won'tI'm speaking in terms of the sales pitch. Like it's not the miracle worker it promised bt for the post part AI can sell the idea "I'll do the gay busy work or create the craft you don't respect" its use is evident from jump unlike the other failed future techs which is why every fag with money is so insistent on making it work.
>>726895723it's amazing that he somehow still has support of the resetera game journalist/indie dev clique despite it being extremely obvious that his "dev friendliness" is nothing but a facade
>AI will be involved in nearly all production>because I say so >because it makes me more money while I sell you an inferior product>shut up and stop complaining slaves and buy the slop Make billionaires afraid again
>>726893394Anon there are third party clients you can use. Epic let's you do that (something I wish Steam would do desu)
>>726895348>custodyalso people LOVE to let everyone know that they have something(especially cosmetic) they no one else can get.regardless of how much it costs or what it looks likeso saying yes there are a billion copies of this digital file but i have the proof that i hold the original.does actually mean something to alot of peopleif valve introduced nfts to counter strike skins people would love it(before crypto bros got their hands on it i mean)
>>726893294>The AI jeet constantly compares his LLM to the printing press or the auto mobilecan't convince me this shit isn't bots
>>726895931Sure sounds like Cryptofags and NFT fags are at it again with their web whatever the fuck are we at now? 9.5?
>>726895931the problem comes in monetizing it; regular workers won't pay to use it and companies are already seeing that using AI doesn't actually save them any money
>>726887014This dog looking loser still dares to talk agaisnt Steam on Twitter? This dude has no shame. This is why he will never beat Steam. He is an evil retard.
>>726887239Hes extremely buttmad that PC gaming actually took off in the 2000s and regrets not getting in on it early on.
>>726889332it won't cause people to use less AI. There, I will answer it for you. No discussions needed with your arrogant midwit brain.
>>726895931i understand what you are saying is true but i just fucking hate it, and hate that it is.like i loath the retards that are being pitched and are smiling and thinking "yes this is exactly what i want" even though they have no idea what they are being sold.
>>726894256the normal loser onesame as youwrong place, wrong time
>>726893554>>AI tech as it exists now is perfect for text adventures, and any decently funded AA project could create a new text-based RPG where the AI outputs imagery alongside writing a story with you, and narrates it using multiple voices for characters on topYou can't have any serious kind of narrative with AI because of its retarded yesman nature>this is a high fantasy text adventure about political intrigue in the kingdom of whereverthefuckordor where you'll meet many colorful characters with deep intricate lore>what would you like to do, go to the nearby inn, talk to the villagers or investigate the disturbance in the mines? >I build a rocketship out of donkey shit and go to space >okay that's an amazing suggestion, let's build a rocketship out of donkey faeces and go to space!
>>726887014>[BREAKING NEWS]>twitter screencap thread>460 repliesThis is the shittiest board on 4chan
>>726895348>NFTs were a possible alternative to that system for people who wanted to have virtual items but didn't want to have to trust a company with custody of them.Autists never explained how they figured this would work.
>>726887014This dog looking loser still dares to talk agaisnt Steam on Twitter? This dude has no shame. This is why he will never beat Steam. He is an evil retard.>>726896108CoD used AI and its getting mocked by gamers and railed by BF6. When the biggest game to ever exist is getting beat like this AI has no chance.
>>726887014>WyH wOnT yOu AcCepT Ai????????As much as these fag are trying to force AI I'm not planning on consuming that garbage.
>>726896250>I build a rocketship out of donkey shit and go to space >okay that's an amazing suggestion, let's build a rocketship out of donkey faeces and go to space!Stop trying to text adventure on ChatGPT.
>>726887140literally the only reason anyone WOULDN'T want the tag is to hide their sloppa because they know the stigma exists and they don't want to get hit with the digital scarlet letter
>>726896108>it won't cause people to use less AI>The price of using these AI services will also go up I know you might not have made both of these comments, but you do understand that the cost going up will absolutely decrease it's usage right? From your sentence structure I get the feeling you are brown, so let's see the chimp out reply.
>>726895986I think the real reason is psychological and its that people honestly love centralization. There's weirdos who hate it and it worries them, but the majority feel comfy having things like leaders or companies laying out rules for them. Most people are wired (or gaslit) into thinking in terms of cheering for companies and expect all solutions to problems to come from them. A system where youre responsible for holding all of your own assets is not gonna catch on easily.Even making your own rules is hard for people to consider. For example rather than just print your own cards, and have fun, tcg players need companies to lay out banlists for them. People are wired to be attracted to centralization I think
>>726887802That's because at the end of the day the majority of voice actors are turning in performances no better than "we got some random dude off staff to do it" because everyone grows up with people who can fucking "voice act," the bare minimum for a fine performance doesn't need someone who went to school for it for your average video game nothing character.
>>726887239I don't get it either he's the one who abandoned the PC market and went after the console market back in 360/PS3 days that was his choice and now he's bitter about it. I'm completely lost here.
>>726894596I had no problems with steam by 2008.
>>726896793I've always thought it was strange how every American made cartoon can get a full cast of completely unique unknowns to deliver 9/10 performances while anime dubs are stuck with the same 12 people for the last 20 years shitting out 4/10 stilted garbage, and those people largely have never done anything except anime dubs because they would never make the auditions.
>>726889916just wait for rapesaar to get to jill then she can no longer work because all you get are more saars.
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>>726896302Autists did, companies didn't. Crypto autists have been talking about things like custody of digital assets this since 2010 or so on places like bitcointalk forums. Companies never cared about that and just saw it as a way to sell even more expensive items to a new hyper rich crowd.What do you not understand how it works though? If you have your blockchain knife in your wallet, you have access to it. That could extend to character data, things like that. This separates the player's own data from the game's operating servers, which depending on who you ask, is a good thing. I can't cheat and edit my data, and if thr servers go down, I still have my data and items. In theory it leads to the possibility someone could relaunch the game and you could keep your character and items and play it on that alternative service. New items and levels would come from a different source so they might not be seen as valid if the old service came back, for example, but thats a solvable problem in and of itself. There's a lot of benefits and neat things thst could be done way beyond this that don't work with a regular database, as long as you don't have a knee jerk emotional reaction to blockchain things, but its kind of the realm for severely autistic people to wonder about and for most they're just going to get angry if you suggest trying a new way to do things.
>>726896908I did. Each update was laggy bloatware well past 2010
>>726887014I play Fortnite quite a bit, and honestly, forcing program installations outside of iOS without needing to jailbreak wasn't a bad thingBut Tim Sweeny has one of the worst personalities and mouths for talking nonsense. He was the one who compared installing Linux to moving to Canada, and that's the excuse he uses for not developing anything of his own on Linux, which wouldn't cost him anything with all the money they have
>>726897652No, I'm pretty sure it was also companies and their management types going on about how in the future items are universal and other equally clueless platitudes. You already own your virtual item now if you want, what changes? What's being backed here? This will, what, give you leverage to pressure 3rd parties to support your virtual item? And they'll do it?
>>726897917>compared installing Linux to moving to Canadahes right
>>726887484>He can't stand the 30% standard feeHe doesn't give a shit, he saw that as a way to entice devs/publishers to put their games on his platform because it has nothing else to offer.
>>726897652The problem is that most of those "cool" things , including them moving from one owner to another, verifying et.c.. require some sort of blockchain asset. So anything "done" that requires crypto becomes basically a way to jack the price of a specific asset>Oh, you have eleventy thousand timbux tokens, but its going to cost you $50 equivalence in ETH gas to do anything with even one of them because timbux tokens were created on the ETH blockchain. Or you can use the DERP chain which has its WDERP wrapped derivatives market tokens to try to stake the outcome of your value to some trader sufficient for them to cover the ETH chain gas etc. Its all a giant scheme the moment it was designed for speculative asset valuation to grow and everything else was designed around that. NFT themselves were mostly made for >How can we bring artificial scarcity to the digital domain where it used to be easy to replicate things, on e of its greatest strengths? We'd like to destroy that for profit thanks! as even all the cryptokitties and monke pictures and other garbage were just there to trade nonsense and make money by turning everything into a fucking collectible card game. Even worse you had stuff like "supernodes" on some chains that basically processed/ensured transactions but of course they required something like 1000 of the currency (so anyone who wasn't in on it before it even reached $1 USD was completely fucked) AND you couldn't have fractional ownership in some at all or others halves or quarters. So it wasn't like you could buy 1 coin's worth along with 1000 other people and get the benefits of 1/1000th of a supernode, nooo.. it was only for early movers and people with lots of money. The entire crypto ecosystem was with a handful of exceptions (Monero among them) designed to run the kinds of scams that used to happen in the 1920s but because we had laws against doing them with real money, it was electronic wacky token
>>726887140/thread and fpbpI will never buy, rent, consume AI trash ever. The bubble is fucking popping hard. All AI niggers will hang.
>>726898010And is it also correct that Epic doesn't develop anything on Linux for that reason?Isn't that a stupid excuse just because they're lazy?
>>726898828>(something I wish Steam would do desu)that is a thing though
>>726897932Not really. A third party could support it if it makes sense. If you were a creator of items, you'd sell more if they worked across both VRChat and Second Life, right? In that case it makes sense for the customer and the seller. But such an arrangement isn't really possible not because of technical limitations (I can easily make a SL version and Unity version of the same shoe) but because SL has its own database for managing what you own, and VRC has their own. Thats one reason why having custody of your own items makes sense.And no I don't think you own your virtual items on platforms like Steam. There's nothing stopping Valve from removing items or a rogue insider from stealing them and covering their tracks. Nothing stopping a government from dictating that they now change everyone's items to non-tradable, etc. Valve has earned my trust but I'm just using them as an example.On that note I've had games removed from my account because of a managing error on Valve's part. I was gifted a game, the game was retired from sale before the gift was delivers. I redeemed the game and was playing it, but months later Valve removed the game because they thought I found some weird bugged way to purchase the game. Steam Support just stonewalled me and deletes my tickets after taking my money lol.
>>726887014No.
>>726897652 You’re basically describing the dream setup every crypto-brained dev has scribbled on a whiteboard for the last decade, but almost none of it works out in the real world because games aren’t built in a vacuum. Your whole “you still have your items if the servers go down” pipe dream runs into the tiny issue that most of these items are only meaningful in the context of the original game’s logic and environment. You can “own” your blockchain sword, but unless someone clones the exact same combat system, animation rigs, and loot tables-it’s worthless metadata.And no, the companies were hyping this crap too. Ubisoft, Square, even EA were flirting with NFTs like it was 2021 and the Kool-Aid was fresh. They were pushing “interoperable items” buzzwords without a clue how it’d actually be implemented. Why? Because Wall Street and VCs were tossing money at anything with “web3” in the deck.Also lmao at “you can’t edit your blockchain-stored data.” Yeah, that’s great except now you can’t even mod your character because tampering with blockchain entries = invalid signature = “sorry anon, your +5 hat of poggerness is now a null pointer.”It’s not a bad idea to tinker with this stuff for fun, just stop pretending it’s going to revolutionize gaming. Most players don’t care about “custody,” they care about playing a game that works and isn’t a grift wrapped in a hash.
>ask chat gpt why my code isn't working>it says why and suggests a fix >try it>it worksjust tag my shit up
>>726889436Are you on /v/ to talk about your most serious real life issues, you dumb cunt?
>>726899001That's the thing, you already have custody of your own items. You created them, they're yours, that's what I meant with 'You already own your virtual item now if you want'. What is being added here? You're just hoping that companies mass adopt out of control asset influx out of pure naivety. Or that, somehow, authing something on your side would give you ownership and prevent companies from controlling your use over them in their services.
>>726895957How silly and unobservant they are, really!It's almost as if they have an economic interest in supporting him!But there is no way people like that would sell their dear ideals and morals for a quick buck, right? They seem so principled!
Arc Raiders has insane amounts of AI used but they didn't disclose it on Steam. Just lie to your customer.
>>726887014>AI is ubiquitous>it doesn't make a difference any moreeveryone is stealing so it's not stealing now and we all need to accept that, it's just reality because we did nothing to stop the stealing besides shaming the cunts who do it so please stop shaming usbuilding games with stolen content is lame and is simply a way to employ fewer people. AI voice actors are never as good, AI art is never as good, and management just wants line to go up they don't care about gaming or the quality of what they make. garbage twitter opinions like this are just what late stage slopification looks like
>>726898921>you must suck my dick>>but i dont want to>YOU ONLY DONT WANT TO BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO DO IT!have you considered hes just not a faggot like you and thats why he doesnt want to?
>more information badWhy is the losing product telling the successful product what to do?
>>726894596Yes, but Valve didn't have all the money that Epic Games currently has since Fortnite became free to playAlso you don't need to mention your badge if I can look up opinions on the internet from these days
>>726900221Cause he doesn't seek to appeal to customers, he seek to appeal to developers.And that's why he fails.
>>726887014>chink complaining about AI tagsfucking KEK
>>726899896So his pride prevents other people from enjoying his games? Epic has a great CEOI play Fortnite and I can still criticize it with good reason. If you put up with his bad opinions, it's your own fault. I'm not surprised you defend him; you probably have the same attitude as him in real life
>>726900343I was wondering why can't he just appeal to both, like what is his fucking problem?
>>726899185I just said companies were hyping it, but for different reasons, if you would take the time to read. And if a players data is separate from the service, then yes you definitely can build games where the gameplay servers are distributed or federated and check against each other for foul play. And you also pretend like third-party servers aren't at a point of being just as good or better than the original service now in many cases. And not being able to edit your save is an explicit feature in an online game where that matters. Trustless is a feature not a con.Is it a pipedream? Sure I'll definitely agree there, but the difference is that blockchain atleast made the dream possible, where as before it simply wasn't.
What is it about the gaming industry that attracts so many attention-seeking retards?
>>726900648It's mutually exclusive. Customers want as much info as possible while devs want to give as little as possible.
>>726899464How do you mean? Yeah if I created an item I have the source files. Is that what you mean? But then the person who bought them through whatever controlled digital store doesn't Or are you talking a out something else?
>>726887095It's really simple.
>>726901171Where exactly in this theoretical chain are these concerns of yours being eliminated? Government and companies still have free reign over your digital stuff on their end, there's no going around this until you're offline and not dealing with 3rd parties. Where is this supposed ownership coming from?
>>726888710absolutely raped
>>726889639>Being aware of and being comfortable with AI tools is going to put you ahead of other peopleIf anything it's going to put you behind due to how AI functions.Also>There's never going to be a point where a billion dollar company gives up on something that could save them literal hundreds of millions a year in labour if implemented properly.The thing with AI is that legally nothing it creates can be owned since it isn't creating buy stealing bits and pieces from everything. In other words, no smart company will be using AI.
>>726896382How did the last CoD game sell? It used AI too?It was a huge success? Oh.
>>726893468Gemini is said to be the smartest AI, he's a cheeky one.
>>726887813yes. the fact that you can refund a game for lying with AI. and refund it after 2hours.
>>726893938This is already a thing, it doesn't not work but it just multiplies load time since memory is a different prompt and smaller model, and you're running even more AI on AI so the AI potential for retarded problems gets squared.
