It's been 9 years. Was it better than 13? 16? Did you play dubbed or subbed? Did you ever finish all the DLC? i still hated it
>>727119075>2016 was 10 years ago
The concept was cool but execution sucked.
>Better than 13 Yes, but not better than 13-2>Better than 16No
>>727119075>Did you ever finish all the DLC?Yeah, and they suck. Especially episode Ardin which shits all over the original ideas.The game is carried heavily by its emotional ending and cast. But overall it is very mediocre by FF standards. Feel unfinished in later parts. It's better than 16, though. Not better than XIII, that game while flawed still has a better structure overall.
Better than XII, XIII and YoshitPiss 16.Its the best modern Final Fantasy game. And the template to moving the series forward. Its extremely ambitious, but that ambitious resulted in the game being unfinished.
If it had more zones and felt like a world it would have been great. Instead its a barely 3 zone tech demo
>>727119075>Was it better than 13?No. 13 was more creative and had more interesting characters.>16?Yes. XV is more memorable than XVI in the same way that a movie like The Room is more memorable than generic capeshit.>Did you ever finish all the DLC?The devs didn't, why should I? I didn't even finish the base game.
>>727119656I still find it funny how XVI tried to copy XV's ending but failed to hit with the same emotional impact. You can't just replicate what XV did without its unique road trip experience.
>>727119482>If it had more zones and felt like a world it would have been great.Imagine Tenebrae and Gralea being explorable.However that would spiral the budget out of control and would need to sell XV million copies to be considered profitable.I do honestly think the true realised vision of the game could sell XV million copies. But Square could not take that risk.
One of the dungeon bosses was a 1:1 3D store asset.
Some people see this and think, Yep, this is okay.
>>727120839You have to forgive them, most FF fans are suffering from senility.
>>727119075>better than 13?Barely >16?NoDubbedNever touched the dlc
>>727119075do not be silly. 2016 was 3 years ago
I played it a bit yesterday cause I’ve never tried the royal edition. It’s unreplayable, pressing buttons and killing enemies feels nice but all the dialogue is unskipabble dogshit and you have to constantly wait for the “main quest updating” animation.
>>727119248based
>>727119075I thought it was a very bad video game and put it down after a couple of hours.I wanted Versus XIII. :(
>>727121997It still baffles me that they marketed so much alternate costumes and yet they did not let you fully have Serah's outfit from the original game. It's literally a reused asset and you do get to use it at the beginning and in the Caius tempting sequence, it wouldn't have cost anything to put it as an unlockable.
>>727119248If XV's combat played more like 7R's, I'd defend it as better than XVI's even with its shit story.
>>727122183Maybe they were worried that people would wonder where her tits went if you could swap to a model recycled from XIII.
>>727120839It does scream they had to hastily build an entire new game with the pre-existing lore given from VXIII and had no experience with open world game, plus the clusterfuck that is the Luminous Engine. I really wonder what was happening with the executives back then, people seem to pin everything on just Tabata but i argue he was more of a fall guy that just wasn't competent for the job and with Toriyama put to the Mobius mobile mines at the time, someone like Kitase pushed him there to replace Nomura.Still immensely fucked up at the end of the day. No wonder the Kingdom Team got their revenge by making a caricature of Tabata in NEO TWEWY.
>>727122405>Sis while you were sleeping, I used your life insurance to get implants
Has anyone read the novel that was supposed to be the plot of the last bunch of DLC leading to an alternate ending? I know that apparently it confirms Bahamut is evil and it gets turbokilled so hard he ends up in Stranger of Paradise.
>>727122405That got out of the window in LR where the devs literally had different bust sizes depending on which outfit Lightning equipped, so at the end of the day, it feels pointless.
>>727119075I'll cut the shit at the root and say that all three of them are shit in their own ways.Just on a narrative point, i don't understand why Square has been obsessed ever since the PS3 era to try making the crystals (you know, the main mcguffin of the franchise and in some cases literal iconography etched into the games) evil, life stealing or in general something the characters have to get rid of in order to be free. XII had something similar going on with the different types of Magicite being parallels to nukes and the Great Crystal implied to be an alien asteroid that changed the world when it landed, but overall it still ended with the people of Ivalice using the thing just fine. Same with the materias in the VII games, technically.But no, for just one example we have things like LR ending with the characters standing in a literal circle around the crystal with the same design from the first FF game and say "we don't need this" before getting reincarnated in the real world. Why so much resentment to what built the franchise?
>>727122456Porting XV's assets to Unreal Engine seems easy enough, considering some random dude literally ported the entire Insomnia map to KH3 by himself. But remaking XV in UE5 would mean admitting Luminous Engine was a mistake and all the money spent developing it would be sunk with only a few games ever made using it. Would SE swallow their pride? Guess we'll see.
>>727123523>LR>crystals evilAt the end of LR, characters stand around a large crystal, it shatters into many souls that move to a new world. The crystals there are not evil, since they are part of the very essence of humanity. Inside every person lives a piece of a crystal.
I liked 13 way more. 15 was bland, it's story was dumb and so was it's world.
>>727124404Yeah, the entire point was that Bhunivelze was keeping that shit for himself to use for his means and the characters freed the souls inside.
>>72712448315 being bland and grounded was supposed to be its selling point.
>>727124684The world makes no sense. If there are gigantic behemoths running around at night, every night, then why isn't every single town a walled fortress? No thought was put into any of it. I can flee this earth shattering monster by walking into a 60s american diner.
Tabata is a hack
>>727124968That's what hunters are for. They're supposed to keep monsters in check, which is why the game throws you quests to collect their dog tags everywhere. daemons don't need as much security since they can't go near light sources (but somehow survive in daytime?). I might remember this wrong, but I think they also said meteor shards repel monsters and daemons away but I might be wrong. I'm not a XV lore expert and I don't really care.
>>727119075I think it was "objectively" worse than 16 but yet I still look back on it a little more fondly than 16. I found it a bit endearing despite (or maybe partly because of) its shittiness, whereas 16 at its worst was a torturous slog like 15 never was.Never played 13.
>>727125794XIII is just as much of a torturous slog as XVI, but XVI has more cinematic fights and a story that I guess is what pulls some people in, in exchange for stripping away everything that makes it an rpg game. XIII however, has far superior art direction, soundtrack, and combat that actually gets somewhat fun in the endgame when you're free to customize your party.
>>727125491It's a combination of that and the state of the land during the war between the nations, leaving a lot of the terrain open for beasts to multiply.
>>727119119somehow I stopped noticing timeflow after 2015. it's weird as fuck.
>>727119075Ah yes, the game that finally made the whole "FF is dead" thing finally sink in.
>>727120839Niflheim continent needed to be XV-2. They couldn't do this whole world in 1 game. Can't believe they did a trilogy with 13 and now 7 Remake but couldn't do just one sequel to 15.Man i really wanted insomnia invasion, explorable nilfheim and world of ruin. It's such a blue balls cock tease with all it's unfinished content.
>>727125347My opinion of him continues to decline as he is now opening a studio in Saudi Arabia all the while continuing to develop NFT slop.mp4 related
>>727126797Capping off the events with Leviathan as the final boss and Luna's death would have worked as a cliffhanger too, i wonder if they did consider it at one point but the executives were like "the chart says it didn't worked as much with the XIII games and we have invested already in multi-media merchandise, finish this in one go".
>>727126797I believe that's what Nomura planned when it was rebranded from Versus XIII to XV for it to be the 'World of Versus epic' it was implied to be more than just one game. But Square wanted it to be a standalone title, which is why they kicked him off the project.
>>727119075FF13 > FF15 >>>> FF16FF13 was better, at least it was turn-based and felt like FF. FF16 is one of the worst games I've ever played and the only way to make it better is to cut out 90% of the game and make it only the boss fights.
>>727124968It's just a mistake due to it's messed up development. The demons were suppose to appear later on with the bloodmoon/starscourge/world of ruin whatever the fuck they planned originally.
>>727127315No wonder Nomura is pissed off at the company, that's literal schizo behavior.>"Alright, for abula Nova CrystallisI we're gonna make a few low-budgeted sequels to XIII in order to get more money alongside side-games like Agito and Versus">"Actually, scratch that, Versus is now XV">"And it's a multi-media franchise just without direct game sequels, everything else is side or prequel stuff.">"Ok, now we want the remake of VII to be multi-part, get the people who made the .hack// games to do them.">"Actually, scratch that, you're doing this on your own and you need a mobile game companion at best as side stuff.">"Ok, now for XVI, we want it to be a fully contained experience, no novels, no tie-in anime series, just the game."I would go insane too.
>>727127037Yeah the 13 sequels decline in sales was 100% the reason. I kinda hate 13 purely for hurting Versus/XV's potential.At least Toriyama got to make a trilogy about his OC waifu, good for him.
>>727127749They're chasing trends and they're late every time, it's not hard to figure out.
>>727119075Vanilla 15 was worse than 16, but Royal Edition 15 is better than 16.All of them are still deeply flawed at a base level though
>>727128042Sure, but this level of incompetence is so unique: looking at almost every other major japanese company that fucked up at the time like SEGA and Bamco not releasing stuff in the west outside the bare minimum, Capcom pushing so hard the DLC train and Konami wasting itself in reboots noone asked for, they all seemed to still have some degree of a direction, wile Square is the equivalent of a drunk salaryman driving home recklessly with his necktie tied to his forehead. It begs to be studied in schools as company behavior to not imitate.
>>727128012I think XIII's decline was due to how the story got worse and went off the rails, and people started getting tired of it. I played them all and I can say they improved with each game to justify their existence. But I agree it doesn't justify the cancellation of Versus XIII, which was a game people were actually anticipating at the time.I'm a bit worried the same thing is happening with 7R right now and Part 3 might sell worse than Rebirth. But I have no doubt that it's still going to be the greatest FF ever made so far.
>>727128663When the plot of XIII-2 can be summed up as "the bad guy wins and everyone dies no matter what you do" it leads to a lot of players becoming very frustrated. There's only so much Lightning waifuing can do to help.
>>727123523Don't forget Mobius where they tried the whole deconstroocting the story of the first Final Fantasy but in a very shallow way that feels more like fingerwagging at the player without much sincerity.
>>727129603I don't even remember what Mobius was all about. All I remember was the FF7 collab where they first showed off remake Cloud and Scorpion Sentinel models as a glimpse of what the remake would look like. It was pretty exciting to see at the time.
>>727128452Part of me hopes that FF is currently in the same position RE was with Capcom where they kept pivoting their mainline entries towards action (FF15/RE5, then coming to a head with FF16/RE6) and this is the point where they've realized they need to course correct into a new direction. We've already got so many other Action RPGs to pick from, hell even from Square themselves over the last 6 or so years we've had 2 FF7R games, Kingdom Hearts, the Mana series, NEO TWEWY, Stranger of Paradise... I'd love for FF to try something else. The last two numbered entries just made me want to play stronger, more concise games instead (KH and DMC) and I really don't want the same happening with FF17. What am I going to be in for if they don't? An inferior version of a Souls game next?
WHEN THE NIGHT HAS COME
oh my fucking god you fags literally just spam FF threads all day long. First 13 now 15, you even chose the shittiest ones. Kill yourselves.
>>727119075HEY REMEMBER OUR GAMEYes.I also remember it flopped so hard you canned the planned DLC.>>727119362>Did you ever finish all the DLC?No you didn't.Because they didn't finish making all of it.
>>727119075It was Okay. 7/10. It was Fine. More missed opportunities than being bad content. >Cidney isn't a party member>Story skips around and doesn't make sense>None of the girls are party members>Important events happens off screenI didn't like the real time with pause combat but that wasn't a major flaw over all. Really, these things can be boiled down to just 2 things. It would have benefited a lot from a more linear story and a real roster of party members.
I miss Iggyposting. Also, funny how ABSOLUTELY NOTHING has changed in 10 years, we still use smartphones like the characters in this and video games look somehow worse
>>727130403>protagonist is literally called WoL because acronyms are fun>gets isekai'd to a world called Palamecia>has to kill Chaos because muh prophecy says so>Chaos is a literal floating wall with a face>from minute one the guy that tells WoL the prophecy has to be fulfilled sounds cartoonishly evil>you also get an annoying fairy companion>Princess Sarah has the personality of generic woman in position of power that is trying to take action>doesn't take even halfway of act 1 to say the prophecy is bullshit and it's rigged to experiment with human lives because someone in the past didn't get laid>the rest of the game is figure out how to beat Chaos without resetting the table and then deal with the voiceThere's a germ of a good story buried in a lot of boring cutscenes with stilted camera angles and deadpan voice acting telling the same 4-5 concepts in different ways. Literally the best part of the main story was how casually sexist Garland was and how he got away with it.If you wanna try it, some turboautist is salvaging the PC version with a private server: https://blankproject.dev/
>>727119075I loved it up until chapter 9, then I despised where it went.Just give me the road trip and gameplay.
>>727119075>Was it better than 13? 16? Did you play dubbed or subbed? Did you ever finish all the DLC? I played it on release, subbedI have never wanted to play it again and did not think it really even earned its sappy ass ending. Significantly worse than any other game in the franchise, and while 13 and 16 have blatant flaws but at least felt like complete games, I would say that 15 sits significantly below 12, which also feels like an unfinished, hollow mess of a game, but ties a much nicer bow on its invalid corpse
>>727119075Still better than 13 because the concept at it's core is far more interesting.The darker parts towards the end (even if it's unfinished) that more closely resemble the Versus 13 early trailers is the real good shit.
>>727119075Sci-Fi FF > medieval FF
>>727130403what if FF1 Warrior of Light was also Chaos but also the story's been told a hundred times with better warriors and chaoses than you and also fuck women
>>727131054That sounds pretty shit lol thanks, I'm glad we have SoP kino to replace this.
>>727131260true, spirits within is the only good FF
>>727131260FF has always been Sci-Fi to some degree, even at its lowest in games like II and IX there were elements to pull out of the traditional fantasy scenario. Possibly a remnant from the Ultima games since apparently JRPGS can be traced in their origins from that series.
>>727130793They "finished" it with books and judging by them, I wish they never did. The whole Ardin is actually a good guy and Noctis and Luna aren't really gone plot was stupid as fuck and took away from the original ending, which was already perfect.
>>727124968>THISI really like XV but man, this world is so unfinished and put together at the last minuteThere's monsters running around every place and yet there's no safe walls/fence or guards aroundThere's so many different places but in all of them the NPC's are this out of place gta 4 pedestrian(the one that really made me laught was the camera fat guy, he feels like a asset from another game)There's no designe cohesion too, 90% of the monster in the open world feels asset flipAnd i hate that there's not a single modder able to fix any of this because this game engine is so shit that made making a game on the ps3 architecture fun in comparrison.
The only thing I really know about this game is an insane Australian likes it so much he botted its user scores on a review website, and carries out an imaginary war against other FF figureheads like Nomura and Yoshida.
>>72711907516 > 15 >>> 13
>>727132006No
>>727119075I do like it more than 13 but for different reasons, can't say I like the combat more than 13 for example, not quite an apples to apples comparison.Played in japanese, obviously.Never played the DLC, but I loved the base game.
>>727131621IX literally has more sci-fi elements than most of the contemporary games considering the Terrans are literally a space-faring race that cryogenically froze their own souls and made an entire civilization of automaton clones to host them after grafting their planet husk to Gaia
>>727132175>Terrans are literally a space-faring raceThey aren't.
>>727119075it was the last authentic, original, japanese final fantasy. ff16 was just a temu game of thrones made by a people who think american tv is the highest form of entertainment.
>>727132337they moved their fucking planet, I'd say thats faring space
>>727132759xv is literally early 2010s westernized bullshit to the max lmao you cannot seriously believe this
>>727132759>>727133323FF has been pandering to the west since its very beginning: first game was a D&D campaign with the serial number filed off and II was the original Star Wars trilogy abridged in medieval form.
>>727133323the end product as an open world game was a lot more western, but the original nomura designs and concept was peak 2000s japan.
>>727131769The cancellation of the official modding tools was a huge blow, it could have really given the game a strong second chance of life on PC.If the game had a properly balanced hard mode (mainly restricting your ability to spam healing items) I could see the game going from a 6ish to maybe even a 7 or 8 for me. And if Tabata's team was too incompetent to implement such a feature themselves at least modding tools could have let me take a crack at it. But alas, it was not meant to be.
it took me a few times of starting and stopping and later restarting for it to finally click but ultimately i liked it a lotit's janky and incredibly flawed though
>>727119075loved the characters, hated the storygame would have been better if there wasn't some grand plot or anything and it was just bros driving around killing monsters and shitFF is at its best when it is humble
>>727133805I'd much rather have SE actually fix their own shit instead of pulling a Bethesda and letting modders do their work for them. Also, most FF fanbase are on consoles. It's not fair that PCfags get all the fixes while console players are forever stuck with the broken version. Those improvement mods should be official for everyone.
>>727123523>Crystal>EvilNot even Versus made the Crystal evil, it was just used to improve the world in very specific ways that caused drastic rifts on how each Kingdom functioned and the worlds around them were falling apart because of them destroying their Crystals for quicks boosts of power and weapons, but was slowly killing their nation's land in some way or form.
>>727133805I really like the characters, the history it's trying to tell and the settingMe fixing this stuff would be my dream coming true, but people couldn't even figure it out how to make the delisted events work again, let alone make map,NPC and monsters changes
>>727134150It's unfair but it's the only way that we could realistic see this game at least partially fixedThere's absolutely NO chance Square would do a reimagining/remake of this game on our life time, there's just no wayThis whole game production might be something they would've want to forget forever
>>727133245No they didn't. It's all interdimensional bullshit.
>>727134724>NO chance Square would do a reimagining/remake of this game on our life timeThere's a slim chance, assuming Nomura doesn't fuck it up and get the game canceled again.
>>727135095they literally show you the cosmic memory of the planets colliding, it was physically moved there.
>>727135190Not the same, his stupid design alone and the fact that it's a part of the even more stupid Kingdom Hearts universe guarantees that.And I love Kingdom Hearts, but people who act as if it's the same are just admitting they're shallow ass niggers who clap when they see the thing they recognize. It's cringeworthy as fuck to see Nomura still pushing this shit. Have a single new idea already, it's been almost 20 years since the announcement trailer, holy fuck.
>>727135190>>727135416Yep, it's not the same, it's inside the shittiest slop dumbass story ever created, there's no way Verun Rex is going to be good if it exist at all.
>>727135279It's a visual metaphor bro. If they really collided there'd be nothing left.
>>727135416It is what it is. He's basically rebuilding everything from the ground up now, using KH lore instead of FNC lore just to finally finish it before he retires. I'm still shocked Square actually approved his crazy plan, but they did. Versus13 and that whole fantasy based on reality vision was always his passion project. You've got to respect his dedication. Any other creator would have given up long long ago. The dude is a real madman.
>>727133697genshin won
>>727136325A game with constant world updates and new areas to explore would have fit the FF15 roadtrip style well.Not that we'll ever, ever get to have convertible roadtrips with bros in another FF game, of course.
>>727136074I guess I respect the dedication but the concept is just so shallow. He keeps playing lip service to surface level visual themes and specific scenes. Surely he can write a new story based on the same overarching themes that weren't even used in XV? A Yakuza family that worships death? Sounds awesome, he could tell a million different stories with this. Fantasy based on reality? Count me in.Neither of those things require the specific car ride scene with Noctis orgy sleeping and looking outside his window. But that's all he ever focuses on. The very fact that he's recreating it inside a dumb ass Disney fanfic universe already shows that he doesn't give a shit about larger themes and worldbuilding, he just wants to remake the cutscenes he imagined in his head. It's kind of embarrassing. If it at least was a new IP then sure, whatever, go ahead and make NotVersus.
>>727130445I was fully expecting the FF 9 remake to come out as their attempt to once again establish "this is our base line, we love turn based games!" "we're just like those E33 and Personas" but the fact that's fallen through is lmao wtf are you doing territory nowI'm 99% sure they're thinktanking day in and out how the fuck to make >>727136325 without scaring non-gacha fans away
>>727136325As long as SE keep appealing to their Sony amerimutt overlords, they can never make a game like genshin.
>>727137531>Surely he can write a new story based on the same overarching themes that weren't even used in XV?He kinda did that in the KH mobile game where the plot gets surprisingly dark with a lot of children being killed, I'm impressed how that even slipped past Disney. That's the reason why I still want to see XV in his vision. Versus XIII was supposed to be more political and much darker than that or at least that's how it seemed.
>got the game on sale with all dlcs after it was recommended by a friend who barely played it>just took one look at the trailer and saw the flying car, instant buygame had peak atmosphere. insane animation detail. music that stays with you. great places to visit. and the story is exquisite.but then you get hit with the dogshit, shallow combat, the DOGSHIT DUNGEONS on par with mmo-like starter area caves (basically completely empty places with an enemy group placed in every room), the chopped up story that forced me to watch a summary of the movie, two animes, a book, and some 80 pages reddit post analyzing the surreal endgame dungeon. All the places you visit are just very beautiful set-dressing with barely any interaction and MMO-like fetch/kill quests. Just makes me sad.
>>727139348I thought the dungeons were really good, personally. The combat did suck ass. Ended up being for the better that the endgame one wasn't really about combat at all.
>>727119075I actually can't decide if I hated XIII or XV more. I should replay them.
>>727139348To be fair, most dungeons in the early FFs are like that. Too confusing to navigate without a map and easy to get lost. XV just took that inspiration to an extreme that doesn't translate well into modern FF. Costlemark Tower will forever be the worst dungeon in the entire series, but despite all this shit, I'd rather have some dungeons to explore than nothing at all.
>>727137542heres your ffix bro
>>727119075XV was just boringyou had to drive everywhere, but you couldn't skip the drive, you had to drive manuallyso it's either you hold the controller for like 10 straight minutes going in pretty much a straight line, unable to veer from the road, or let Ignis drive and go jerk off for 10 minutes. Even when you get a flying car you still have to adhere to traffic laws for some odd reasonsummons were shit, you wondered if the game was glitched but no you only get Ramuh, no one else. And there's no way to guarantee him, it happens randomly. Anyone else is strictly in the Adamantoise fight story had so much hype around it with a movie, and a manga (I'm pretty sure there was a manga) and even an anime. I even decided to watch the movie and manga before playing... and neither of them mattered whatsoever. They were irrelevant to the plot at hand. So what was the point?combat was boring, hold down X and auto attack until the enemy is dead, you don't need anything elseyou couldn't die, they'd just rez you immediately unless all of you were deadand the dlc were great, but way too spread out and really could have just been in the main game>main story: I have to leave for a bit>dlc: gladios has one mission which is defeat Gilgamesh who for some reason is no longer just a joke>after that he gets a weapon and returns to the partyopen world was pretty interesting though. I liked the concept of getting harder enemies at night. But there's nothing to do, maybe a few side quests and maybe a few hunts but that's about it. It's vast and empty I think the most fun I had was choosing a picture at the end of the game. It's funny that Lunafreya doesn't even seem phased if you pick a random photo like Iris Lunafreya's another thing I hated though, she's not built up at all but I'm supposed to care about her when she dies. Of course that's also around the time Ignis comes back blind which you can only find out how through the dlc that wasn't even out yet
>>727138383Yeah, it was pretty awkward how after Tabata took control they walked back the black clothing and skulls marking Lucis as a death worshiping city.
>>727141112ff15 spent a lot of money censoring shit for china, i think they rewrote a lot of the story too for the same reason
>>727119075It didn't make me hate the cast like 13 for yeah it was better in some ways.
>>727141112China has (or they did have) censorship rules around spooky skeletons. With China dropping their foreign console ban in 2014 I'm guessing they took it out around then just to save them the trouble later
>>727140673For giving a minuscule amount of credit, they did bother to specify the XV Gilgamesh is a title given to the King's Shield and the one you fight is not the same one that hops from game to game.
>>727144264I have to give them credit. XV actually made Gilgamesh look badass and not just a comedic relief boss for once. I just wish he was tougher to kill 'cause it turned out Cor was the real final boss of that DLC.
>>727144828I mean, i haven't tried Type-0 yet but most appearances of Gilgamesh in other games do portray him bumbling yet deadly if underestimated. Even Rebirth found a way to make Excalipoor actually threatening.
>>727144969Oh yeah, I forgot about Type-0 Gilgamesh. I suppose he has the same aura as XV's, but it feels like he was misused in that game. He randomly appears as a story boss just to reference the FFV battle of the big bridge and thats it. Even though there's lore explaining his actions and background, his presence still feels out of place as shit.
>>727145670The only thing i know is that people speculate Type-0 might be his original world he was born on and his first accidental dimension jump lend him to the FFV Genji tribe.
>>727119075shilled garbage that wasn't worth 5$ for the complete royal edition that I got.
>>727119075Maybe the worst game i've ever played, purely due to the amount of potential that was wasted. It had everything it needed to be on the level of FF7 but the director had no fucking clue what he was doing and vomited all over what could have been a masterpiece.>Remove the most important part of the game and make it a movie>Remove character backstories and make them into an anime>Combat is gutted, one button spam, enemy AI is nonexistent, no magic, did not develop a proper action combat system for a party based game (at least until the DLC)>Massive segments of the game cut, dungeons are copy paste caves>Entire characters cut, backstories removed, or involvement in the story massively reduced for reasons we cannot understand>World design is very bland to begin with>Second half of the game is a literal railroad to the finishThey wasted a good cast by removing all the other party members to focus on only 4, they wasted their best villian since the PS1 era, and they wasted a pretty good story and initial setting. Yes I'm mad.
>>727134470Actually can replay the in game events again but its a fucking hassle. It involves using original PS4 Hardware and backing up and old updated version of the game which I have seen uploaded, like if you look up threads about trying to activate the events some guy on reddit did have an old version of FFXV backed up, but honestly it seems like a hassle. But still its possible if you really wanted it.
>>727119075one of the most bizarre games I've played, you can tell that's its been gutted over and over, they build a massive venetian city then then destroy it 5 minutes after arriving, you come from a city than you never get to visit, there some story about a wedding that I never understood, the combat is just pressing down a button then using potions, I never understood itand after all that it turned me weird because I now have a thing for twinks/femboys even though I'm straightvery odd game
>>727136074Dude as far as Im concerned he has given up. He said in an interview itself he had the choice of Verum Rex, his dream fucking game, or KH4 and he chose KH4 cause he decided to kill Sora in 3 and he didnt want fans waiting to see what happened.Also no fuck that theres dedication and then theres plain retardation. That dumbass insists on creating a completely new separate universe which is still just a Versus clone when that fag could actually just do an asset flip of FFXV and call it " FFXV RE:Versus" or some sgit. Like look at pic related, Square has the balls to do this with their precious DQ and people are actually excited to see what different shit they do, and Nomura himself has psyoped his fans into doing the same for 7Remake games with the shit they change. Plus with Squares insistence on remakes Nomura could ride that fucking wave and shit out his true vision in like a couple of years but no hes a fucking retard
>>727119075It was great but I can’t give it anything more than a 6/10 for the shitty DLC practices.
Some of the highest highs and most abysmal dogshit, all in one package.
>>727146153>the most important partBrother, the invasion was not needed. All we needed to know was that it happened. It’s like saying FF7 sucked because we didn’t get the wutai wars. And the combat was great. Maybe don’t play with the bare minimum and you’ll have fun.
the game was very homoerotic and anyone who likes it also enjoys male penis.
>>727119075>16It felt like a Final Fantasy game, while 16 didn't. As a Final Fantasy game it was better. As an actual game, 16 was better. They were both shit though.
>>727147456Naw, I liked the game and I don’t like male penis. Female penis, now that’s a different story.
>>727140673>you had to drive everywhere, but you couldn't skip the drive, you had to drive manuallyIm impressed anon. Couldnt go one line without just simply being wrong. The moment you find any parking spot/motel you can skip the drive. I mean the game tells you that you can dude.
>>727147412It's like cutting midgar out of FF7, it's important because it's what sets you on your journey and gives you a purpose. It's absolutely needed and it's by far the most important part of the game because of it's story kickstarting nature.Imagine all the fucking crazy cutscenes and gameplay you miss out on by not having it too, or even meeting Luna and starting that relationship at a point in the game where it makes sense.
>>727147412>Your home nation is being attacked by the big bads>Your waifu has been kidnapped and you have to save her>Your father has been slain and he needs to give you his magic ringShould we have the main character experience this within the game or create a totally-not-the-main-character to show you all of this in a movie?
>the sudden shift to a platforming challenge in the Pitioss Ruins What the fuck were they thinking?
>>727147101>He said in an interview itself he had the choice of Verum Rex, his dream fucking game, or KH4It was more like a forced decision because of Disney rapidly declining and everybody knows he's a huge Star Wars fag he wants to push a SW world in KH4 asap before Disney dies or sells the IP. As for Verum Rex, he didn't say it won't happen. It's just that KH is the priority for now. He already gave that 'an oath to return,' which is obviously meant for Versus XIII but to be fair, it's not like he's never broken a promise before, so that oath might mean nothing.
>>727147882My brother in Christ he wasnt defending the movie hes saying that you dont need to see the invasion period. The implication of seeing the Empire's ships heading over your kingdom is enough to get the idea across. Hell if you asked me the movie makes FFXV worse. Seeing the movie clips that got hamfisted into the game makes me cringe.
>>727147882NtA, i think what other anon was saying is that the early trailers seemed to imply Noctis and his boyband were going to make a hasty escape from the capital while the invasion was happening and that was going to be your prologue.
>>727147625>>727147882No, because it doesn’t serve any purpose. The prince is supposed to be absent when the invasion happens. it’s what drives him. Luna is supposed to be a distant character. The entire game is about duty, not some revenge and love story.
>>727148145You DO need to see it, it's the fucking reason the entire story is set in motion and the content we see in the movie would make the game better.
>>727119075oh god, oh noi'm already feeling nostalgia for 2016oh no
>>727148264She's only a distant character because of rewrites and cuts anon, it's not on purpose and it detracts from the plot.
>>727148407That’s the problem with you people. You keep thinking what we could have gotten is canon instead of focusing on what we got. None of Versus 13 matters, anon. Using what was cut to critique something is stupid.
>>727147524>>727131769>>727127315All this talk about the game being unfinished when the worst offender was the pure SEX of the girls who had zero point in the story
>>727148581>"Just stop noticing and consoom!"Next you're gonna tell us that Wish is the best Disney movie ever made.
>>727148083It was more like a forced decision because of >Disney rapidly declining and everybody knows he's a huge Star Wars fag he wants to push a SW world in KH4 asap before Disney dies or sells the IPListen my guy, I know Disney is full of retards at the moment, but objectively speaking none of that is true. If you wanna see a real decline look at the shit going on with WB for the past like 4 years, thats what actual decline looks like and Disney is nowhere near that. Plus Missing Link was gonna be the tie over game originally anyway. Ignore the fact that we live in the present where its cancelled, back then Nomura didnt know that game would be axed. So him getting SW into KH4 would have still be a sure thing even if he announced like right fucking now.>As for Verum Rex, he didn't say it won't happen. It's just that KH is the priority for now.Thats his fucking hubris showing. He made the wrong fucking choice, and based on his retirement comments any hope of him pulling another huge ass AAA out of his back pocket is unlikely. He didnt even direct Rebirth but based on that big press interview production on that alone is making him consider retirement. The guy is washed bro.
>>727148639Pic related is the Glacian though, like you literally need her to defeat Ifrit. Her worth in the story is still warranted.Also even though its relegated to DLC Aranea was needed to help Prompto out of those mountains he got trapped in.
>>727148639She was literally stalking you the entire game that sometimes you can even catch her appearing on camera. Even the survey mentioned asking players if they wanted her to be playable, so I assume she was supposed to have a bigger role in the story somehow.
>>727148026Unironically best dungeon in the game howeverbeit. The "not made for platforming" controls adds to the challenge
>>727148970You now reminded me that the summons were completely wasted: there's only a selected few, almost all of them require very specific things to happen to trigger them meaning it will most of the time just be Ramuh who pops up once in a while, one is never used in regular combat (Bahamut) and the one time it shows up is for a scripted sequence that serves only as a phase transition, and you can't obtain another one (Ifrit) despite being a staple of the franchise.When the cinematic scriptfest that is XVI has better usage of the summons, that's a problem.
>>727148762Not an argument. Come back when you mature and are ready to have an adult discussion.
>>727149284(You) first, consoomer.
>>727149249You know, summons in XV were always shit but they could have made more sense if they appeared based on weather conditions or location. like Titan in the desert, Ramuh during a rainstorm, Leviathan when you're near a lake, and Shiva inside dungeons due to her size. But the stupidest thing is that Garuda takes up like 90% of the roll chance after you unlock her from the XIV quest. I never got to use the other summons again.
>>727119075Played subbed, did Episodes Gladio Prompto and Ignis at least but don't think I got around to playing the others.>Was it better than 13?To be completely honest I haven't really played XIII in almost 15 years and my younger teenager ass had a different perspective and didn't really evaluate games as much back then, also never been that hard to please. I surely didn't love it as much as I'd hoped but I was relatively fine with it, but I could say the same for XV in bigger extremes, I think both are flawed games, I feel like I did like XV more in the end despite it all but on paper perhaps I would prefer XIII these days if I replayed it... then again, probably not.>16?I don't think so, exploration is ass in XVI, sure I expected more out of XV but there was still a bit there, for XVI it should have been on par with XII at least but not even that. Pretty much everything else outside of that I have to give to XVI though, I did really like the chocobros and XV's ending fucked me up good, but overall it still goes XVI's way.
>>727126418Same, it all kind of froze around then. I've been in weird life situations so perhaps it starts flowing again at some point but even if I know things have happened it still feels like time hasn't really passed, not to that extent at any rate. Maybe you just stop really processing it past a certain point.
>>727149767>XVI it should have been on par with XIIThat's exactly what I expected when I first saw the trailer. I thought XVI might be the game I'd been waiting for because I've always been a sucker for Ivalice vibe FF with a big world to explore. After realizing it's just a shitty DMC clone with a medieval Naruto story my dream was crashed. There's absolutely nothing I love about XII in XVI. It was literally just a mediocre action movie slop. It somehow managed to betray my expectations harder than Versus XIII and XV did. If I learned anything from this, it's to never expect anything from this franchise ever again.
>>727148970did I even play that DLC? I honestly can't remember, shit is kind of like a fever dream b/w the dulcea, release, then royal (i'm 99% sure there was a 'demo'/beta in between there as well)
>>727151935Your thinking of the public demo they had where you play as child Noctis
>>727151935>>727153328The Platinum Demo, wasn't it?Funny how the combat literally got downgraded with every single build
>>727148175That's absolutely what the plan was, Nomura spent a lot of time and discussed in several interviews about how he was making several different routes through the city that would result in unique scenes and battles for the player depending on which way they choose to escape. This was one of his biggest points of the whole game, was to give the player different choices and routes through the "cutscenes", and to make them all fully playable, because he himself hates cutscenes that make him put the controller down and he wanted to solve that while still keeping the cinematic angle.Based on those statements I'm sure he was the one who pushed for the "playable" cutscenes in FF7 and 8>>727148264>The prince is supposed to be absent when the invasion happensNo, he wasn't. He and the rest of the party were supposed to be there and trying to stop it. The scene where they are pushing the car was supposed to be after their escape, not before the invasion.The removal of their presence during the invasion was a Tabata copout in order to sell that entire sequence as a movie instead and try to squeeze a little more money out of the project.
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>>727119075Better than XIII. Inferior to XVI.
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>>727156143
>FFXV thread with no Barey mentionLet's fix that. Where is our glorious king?
>>727156143>>727156206>>727156050>>727155992I would play top dollar to play a completed version of this. Keep the PS3 graphics. They're better than modern graphics.
>>727119075>It's been 9 years... since Barry won.
>>727119075I loved this game to be honestI did not like FF 13, actually i never finished this game. It was too boring.I fully played FF15 and I liked it but immediately forgot this game. So FF15 wins. I played with French dubbing.
>>727151935Episode Duscea was some beta that came with the physical version of Type-0. It gave the player the option to customize Noctis' attack strings. Shame they removed that system.
>>727156385I still can't believe Barry stomped Yoshi-P. SE shills have been silent ever since Rebirth and XVI. He won. Hard.
>>727119075played it for 20 hours and just stopped
>>727156407I fully played FF16* and forgot it
>>727119075I loved it but it could have been so much more. Played the royale edition and all the dlc.
>>727156412is there any way to play the duscae demo?I actually played it on my bro’s ps4 forever ago but I don’t think he has it on there anymore and I even have the code from my copy of type-0hd that I never used but it’s expiredAm I really just SoL on this because I don’t remember the combat very much (honestly don’t remember liking the demo but loved FFXV when I gave it a chance) but I really want to check out the battle system
>>727156050I knew about the story bits but it's interesting also seeing gameplay elements that Nomura probably put into KH3 because Versus was ripped away from him>>727156236I don't think he visits much anymore. He discovered that by giving Musk money he can get into twitter fights more often instead
any other zoomer where this was your first and only ff? it was aight, didnt finish all dlc but the game was fun, it was like the first game i got on the ps4 which was also my first conaole
>>727158871Didnt know Nomura was mecha autist
>>7271194823 explorable zones? Jesus that's worse than SMT V and they did that game in less time wiht like half the budget and assets from Persona 5
>>727158989It pretty much was my first FF if you don’t count KH. I played it in 8th grade and the road trip aspect, going on adventures with the bros and bonding around the campfire, the coming-of-age story, and just exploring the serene outdoors away from civilization was amazing and I wanted to live in that world so bad. I think it was the absolute perfect point in my life to play that game, and I think the empty open world makes it good. Being immersed in nature with long stretches of road being your only anchor to civilization (and I guess that had phones but whatever) and looking out at the landscape while Ignis drives and taking it all in with the silence being broken by the occasional quip from the bros. I unironically want to live in the midwest because the idea of these roads and buildings and infrastructure being largely unused except by strangers using them as a quick pitstop or to get to the real cities where shit actually happens is so interesting to me. People say it’s boring but I always wonder what life is like for these people who live in the margins. I always daydream on long drives when I see an abandoned gas station and always thought it would be cool to explore abandoned urban sites with some friends. FFXV is the only game that captures this very specific feeling so perfectly.Absolutely insane going down the versus xiii rabbit hole after beating XV and then hearing Somnus in the KH3 secret ending
>>727119075>Was it better than 13?No, which is an impressive failure given how low that bar is.>16?Didn't play it.>Did you play dubbed or subbed?I don't have brain damage, so subbed.>Did you ever finish all the DLC?Yes, they still didn't fix it being an obviously rushed and disjointed mess of a game.
>>72711924813-2 could've been the best FF of all time if it wasn't hobbled by being sandwiched between two shit entries.
>>727131769>There's so many different places but in all of them the NPC's are this out of place gta 4 pedestrian(the one that really made me laught was the camera fat guy, he feels like a asset from another game)>There's no designe cohesion too, 90% of the monster in the open world feels asset flipWasn't one of the bonus dungeon bosses found to have been part of some paid Chinese asset pack?
>>727124968>only one real town in the entire region>20 isolated diners and petrol stations within 30 seconds of each other in between it and the capitol city all of which have zero reason to exist
>>727149125Nah, the best dungeon was, of all things, the sewer dungeon.
>>727161834>>727149125Quetzalcoatl dungeon was the best dungeon.Aranea was the best side character.
>>727158768I think it's only on ps4 I still have it on mine along with pt, only reason I still have the piece of shit.
>>727119075dogshit game>>727119248this
>>727119075Is it actually finished now after all the updates? I kinda want to replay it on PC but it never gets cheap enough.
is spazztek still around?
>>727163424>Is it actually finished now after all the updates?HAHAHAHAHA...no
Wasn't there a rumor of a remaster or something?
>>727163619The was XIII and still no word on that let alone an announcement.
>>727163682Man, what's with SE and that game?
>>727119248I'm going to give a hard "this"
>>727163424>Is it actually finished now after all the updates?No. Stitching side content on to a fundamentally unfinished game doesn't fix it.
>>727124968Originally, it was supposed to have two parts like ff6. Entire post-timeskip map is in the game files. The monsters were likely planned to appear in part 2 only.
i didnt play it but I unironically loved that movie with aaron paul. I think it was the prequel
For me XV was overshadowed by World that came out a month before and which I enjoyed way more.
>>727119075>in last 10 years we got xv and xvi>vi, vii, viii, ix, x, x-2 and xii were all released within 10 yearsI hate modern gaming so much
>>727163424Which is weird because you could get Royal Edition for $10 or $15 at least on PSN during sales.
>>727163962That movie had no reason looking this good when the actual game looked nothing like this.
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>>727164083Yeah, it's unironically a good animation movie
>>727163721RIKE RIGHTNING but seriously it kind of makes sense, the 13 series is over 10+ years old now and they surprisingly still look good graphics wise despite everything else except for maybe Lightning Returns. That's the only one that needs a graphics remaster just so it can look at good as 13 and 13-2.
I actually liked the way the day and night cycle was implemented, needing to plan out what you were going to do before it got dark. But then halfway through the game, you are strong enough to fight anything, so that goes out the window.
>>727164073It goes down to $16 on Steam every other month
>>727119075I remember being pleasantly surprised for the most part when playing it at launch. But thinking back I kinda want nothing to do with it. The playthrough was fun but it all soured with me over the years. Dont care for its world or characters anymore. And didnt really like where it all went. I wonder if I played it again it would remind me why I liked it the first time
>>727164254
15 is great. 16 is absolute garbage.
>>727164321Really hated this games day and night system. It got dark too quick. Felt like you only had 5 minutes and already the day is over.
>>727164160Even if they were all shit it'd still be impressive
>>727164437OK Barry
>>727119119Insane shit. We're all doomed. Next time you blink it will be 20 years ago, and then you'll be dead.
>Game is based around camping and resting at inns and having conversations with your party every time you do>Game has an exp multiplier where you get more exp the longer you go without resting
>>727164254People playing FF for the graphics??
>>72711907513 had its story stuffed into the menu via the datalog. As retarded as that was, at least it was a complete story that you could follow, as long as you read the datalog. FFXV made no sense from the outset and was missing huge chunks of its story. You get no introduction to the characters until you played their DLC. You're just expected to accept these characters and pretend to know that they know what they're doing. >we're on a road trip because i'm le getting married>just kidding a giant sea worm killed her>now we go into the long dark and i'll hibernate in a cacoon for 30 yearsI can't say what the story was about. The world felt dead before it died for real. Some smarmy faggot follows you around saying cryptic shit the entire time. It made no sense and it had the worst side activities out of all the FF games combined. Just the worst. The combat was terrible. The only memorable thing was fighting the giant turtle. It's like a 60 hour inside joke that you're not in on. I can't think of a worse "game" to come out before or since. Whatever they were trying to do, it was a complete failure. and it brought with it one hysterical faggot who spams the board with his eternal longing for versus 13, a retarded marketing schtick that only he ever cared about. 0/10
>>727119075Yes, 15 is flawed but better than 13 and Final Fantasy Rising Revengeance.FF13 is simply terrible and awful all aroundI never watched Game of Thrones. People often compare FF Rising Revengeance story to GoT. If that's accurate I'd say GoT is probably a pretty shitty and overrated show.
>>727168642Honestly it just sounds like all out Square is to blame for how either stories turned out. Type-0 had the same problems as XIII where its story made no sense until you collected the data logs and you had to go out of your way to find those.
>>727169945Type-0 is actually worse than XIII in that regard because it requires you to play the game twice to unlock most of the datalog and see the entire story. You have to be a really hardcore FF fan or insane to even consider playing the game twice.
>>727119075I still dislike the combat. But I'm being honest here, I actually prefer XV over XVI. I just enjoy XV way more than XVI. The vibes man, just cruising in that shitty car that could barely turn, listening to past FF osts, while in the rain, the car wiill automatically close the roof off. Then the rain slowly stops and the sunlight slowly lits up. The game's GI and weather effect is gorgeous man. A plus since it's in real time.
FF15? Yes, it's certified kino.
>>727171827XV is an actual FF game with many shortcomings, XVI is just a mobile slop MMO game with FF name slapped on to it.
>>727119119I saw Stefanie Joosten was streaming MGSV not to long ago and was like "cool, she's finishing the game after a few months off" and then realized that the last time she streamed was like 8 years ago
That absolutely marvelous OSThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUdBajv2Cww
It's the best game in the series
>>727164801Welcome to Sweden.
>>727119075I didn't hate it as much as I thought I was going to, the biggest issue was the wide open empty fields. The combat was sufficient for normal gameplay but really showed its flaws when grinding for side stuff. The characters, world, and to a lesser extent story were the bright spots
I liked it. It was the first FF game I played since 5
>>727164801I mean, it's consistent with the world's lore. Once you've reach Altissia it'll be more apparent. The ingame night time is earlier and longer. If the game was actually completed the second continent will probably have you fight demons a lot more than the regular animals.
>>727172140>but really showed its flaws when grinding for side stuff.But doing the dungeons and the Hunts is by far the comfiest part of FFXV.
>>727171827Yeah, the combat was my second biggest issue with the game, right after the story. And the funny part is they actually figured out how to make it fun in the multiplayer mode but it just came way too late. If the base game had played like this from the beginning, it would've been way more forgiving.
Since we're kinda talking about it, can someone explain to me what was the point of Dion turning into Bahamut, duke it out with Barnabas/Odin for a while and then both of them just retreats leaving their own soldiers to just settle it with each other. That part of the story sequence was super funny to me. It felt like it was just set up for cool Eikon v Eikon cutscene fight and that's it. Oh and that Dion and his squire kissed. The fuck was the point of this whole cutscene?
>>727172208i meant more so that you don't really realize just how barebones it really is when cruising through the story and enjoying the flash but its when you are grinding the side stuff that you notice there isn't all that much there
>>727172282The Armiger Unleashed mode did show how they were learning the game combat and improving on it. It's a shame Tabata was let go. I think the team had really started to nail it by the time they released Royal Edition.
>>727119075My top 5 FF games1. IX2. X3. XV4. IV5. XII
>>727156236If anything, i'm glad we're having more civilized discussions on the matter instead of resorting to screech names at each other. Really wish it happened more often.
>>727164083To this day, i wish we got a movie in this style (just with less color saturation) to talk about the Hamelin Organization and the war against Legion that act as the in-between events from Drakengard ending E and the beginning of NieR. It's clear we're not getting a game by this point, so might as well use a different media.
>>727156236The king only shows up when he needs to shut down Yoshi-Piss tards hard. He was here the other day dunking on them. Poor shills got nothing on him anymore.
>>727150049>>727126418The last decade has been the most homogenized, stagnated, boring and dull decade on in the past 100 years outside of COVID. It's not surprising that shit feels just like $CURRENT_YEAR + 10 when the shift from previous decades to their antecedent ones was a lot more substantial.
>>727164254Context about the cursed dog: it's literally a recycled asset from the original XIII that was used in big crowd shots and thus was not super noticeable, but because LR had the budget of a tuna can, they did not or could not touch up the model and decided to have a cutscene show it up close and personal.The game is chock full of shit like that, like the scene where Lightning enters a phone booth and picks up a receiver that has no cord attached to it: a clever cutscene director could have constructed the scene so that the camera angles focused on other places to mask the imperfection, but it's Motomu Toriyama fangasming over his waifu we're talking about, we can't expect miracles.
>>727172384I'm honestly not a fan of Armiger Unleashed. It just pushes the game toward XVI's direction where it's all about style and no substance. It also has this awful long animation lag that would make it impossible to play if not for the invincibility during special moves. I suppose it was cool to please the Versus fags and show what the game could have been, but that's about it.
I really like this game but how do I get into this game? I had fun with the intro and the first quest but then on my way to the rest of the game, I got to the ranger asking me to look into someone. then I ran around trying to get some ore, but I had to slowly walk around to get it which took me half an hour. then I had to walk all the way back to my car, but then it got night and I had to wait it out. it took so long to get back to driving, which is slow too. will the getting around to things get faster or is the whole game just 10 minute walking segments with gameplay sprinkled in? I really wanna play the roadtrip with bros game.
>>727173386The pacing improves once you unlock the chocobos and quick travel.
>>727158768Pretty sure the codes should still work if you can buy a new copy of Type-0 HD. Alternatively you can get a modded PS4 and download it online
>>727173428how far into the game is that? and till how long can I ignore side quests before losing out on the chance to do them?
>>727161403Yes.https://youtu.be/v8lvAq_yp_w?t=649
>>727169945>Type-0 had the same problems as XIII where its story made no sense until you collected the data logs and you had to go out of your way to find those.Type-0 had a great story that was easy to follow until they decided to shit all over it with a sudden abrupt twist ending that makes zero sense and had no foreshadowing and only gets explained in NG+.
>>727173689You get the chocobos fairly early on. After the first zone. You can ignore the side quests yes.
>>727119075Could have been a fucking masterpiece, is instead soul-crushingly mediocre. Common Squeenix issue ever since they became Squeenix. Hot girls though.>>727173137This. This fucking farce needed to end a while ago. It's like a bad joke that's gone on way too long.
>>727173954The whole point of Type-0 was to serve as setup for whatever was supposed to come after it considering Agito isn't even present in the game. But the FNC project was dead before any of that could happen.
OK anons, girls power ranking, go
Is it really that bad? I bought the Royal Edition, damn it.
>>727175015It's great. Enjoy it and try to see past its shortcomings.
>>727175015The point is that it was never a finished game despite all the updates and DLC. People will always be seething about what it could have been, no matter how much time passes.
>>727174792For the context of XV, i'd say Gentiana on top for virtue of being Shiva, then Luna to an extent, then Aranea, then Iris.
>>727176098>puts best girl at bottomHow is it even possible to have taste this bad?
>>727176220Easy: i prefer women who have actual fighting powers/capabilities instead of tossing around a plush.Also, Iris is Gladio's sister and no way in hell i'm accepting him as brother-in-law.
>>727176220He put the worst girl at bottom, I think your taste module needs maintenance.
>>727119075>It's been 9 years. Was it better than 13? 16?Definitely.
>>727176461>cute waifu who actually loves you is worse than girl power roasties and some random chick who talked to you like twice in your fucking life
>>727119075>It's been 9 years. Was it better than 13? Probably. I liked the characters more and the world actually felt like a world.>16? Never played it.>Did you play dubbed or subbed?You could play subbed?>Did you ever finish all the DLC?I didn't pay a cent.
>>727176725Short hair isn't cute. QED.
>>727119075I played it at launch and it felt half finished. Completed it in 14 hours which is unfathomable for a FF game played casually. Battle system felt like it wasn't tuned. I'm told it's had 2 years of patching but honestly is it much better? The characters, story and pacing felt way off and half baked.
>>727126797It's a world with fuck all in it. There's like one major town, the rest stops and the linear nonsense in the last third. The world isn't fun to explore due to Noctis having a poor move set for organic exploration
>>727128042It's honestly pretty funny how behind the times SE is. When BotW released and was a true open world sandbox it really shit on like 10 years of poor decisions. Hell, when Xenoblade X was released and did the FFXV concepts better than FFXV it was embarrassing and that game was also half finished. FFXV being open world did nothing for it. While other games at the time at least understood what the game plan was for exploration
>>727131769>There's monsters running around every place and yet there's no safe walls/fence or guards aroundThis was a little baffling to me and I can only assume it's because they couldn't work out how to implement the roads for the car in to a walled and gated system
>>727177295It's as relevant as recently with VII Rebirth trying to adopt the Ubisoft/Arkham sandbox with towers and sidequests in big areas when the trend had been mocked for at least 5-to-10 years by this point.
>>727177483Don't forget XVI going for a pseudo DMC/Bayonetta thing
>>727177295I disagree. XV got a lot right about open world design. It didn't just copy the Ubishit tower formula but instead, it hid dungeons and secrets that only appeared when you actually go nearby. That's how you get players to genuinely explore a world. The main thing it needed was better side quests to make that exploration feel more rewarding.
>>727177581Honestly, XVI could have been fine in my book if it had been a dedicated spin-off called a fancy latin term like Ationem or something to symbolize the different gameplay. It's the desire and insistence of wanting it to be a mainline numbered title and the constant shielding behind the "well, other games used different gameplay styles" excuse to justify the butchering of RPG elements that pisses me off.And like all the bad Final Fantasy games backed up by terrible decisions and ego, it will only be worth for crossovers where Clive will probably have a better time to shine.
>>727119075It was shit. This and 13 practically killed the franchise for me unless they drastically change and start making games like they did in their Square days.
I live XV. I think it's a great game with a mediocre final act. But the road trip was so so comfy.
>>727119075Just feels like a boring tech demo with how sparse the world and content feels with a mid story even for FF, mid characters and the most boring combat square has possibly ever done.The story isnt complete without watching gay movies and animes too. It is a horrible game. 16 was also dog shit so thats two for two Ls
>>727173137A friend recently raised a good point that you could watch a film or play a game from 10 years ago and there is a good chance that it’d look like something that came out today and I do think they’re right. Going from 2005 to 2015 it felt like there were big leaps happening in media but since then it has just stagnated. The fact that games like Witcher 3, Batman Arkham games, Dark Souls 3, etc. routinely still have thousands to tens of thousands of people playing them during peak times (like Fridays and weekends) more or less confirms this for me.
>>727119075Didn't finish the end boss dlc Ardyn's, because I didn't trynhard enough to donthe repeterious button presses torture or whatever aequence. More, faster needed to save him or someone. It's on hold until I fan. If it's a forced lose then it ends there still like it could be done.
>>727124161The engine was great. Shut up.
>>72711907515 won, easily better than 12, 13 and 16
>>727127749Don't post again coward.
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>>727178236not him, but I don't think it's a well kept secret that technology has stagnated rapidly over the past 3 gens in regards to graphics.
>You're walking to the diner, just trying to get some food with your American Express card>Suddenly Shiva appears to you>She tells you that the committee of summon creatures had a get-together and decided to reverse time to 2001 because the current timeline is just too fucking gay>As part of the quality assurance measures for the new timeline, you have been selected to be placed in charge of Square EnixWhat do? >Proviso: You can only do things that affect Square Enix IPs, you can't go back and stop 9/11 or whatever
>>727179562Give Team Cavia more budget for Drakengard and say yes to whatever Yoko Taro says. I wanna see a timeline where he was able to unleash his edgy autism from the getgo with unlimited resources.
>>727179686>say yes to whatever Yoko Taro saysAnon he would ask for a Ferrari and drive off.
>>727119075I had more fun with it than XIII, the "roadtrip with the bros" thing was refreshing and looking back on it, it would never be made today because female characters would sell more due to ironic coomer culture. The bro thing was done without any cynicism or irony, they were all great together. What fucked with me was the gameplay being repetitive despite being open world, and the fact that there was just not much to see in the world. The story felt very incomplete of course, that was my main gripe with it, really. Otherwise, the concept remained great but the execution was poor because square enix sucked fucking balls and now in 2025 they still suck asshole and balls. Played it dubbed, the voice acting was good imo. I never played any of the extra stuff they added, only some monster fights they added for free over time iirc. The best moments was exploring places at nights, getting lost in the woods and being attacked in caves by the stronger night monsters or an iron giant blocking the fucking road while we struggled in the dark. Noctis accepting his fate while pouring his heart out to the boys at the camp was amazing, real man shit. If this game was given to some other company that gave a fuck it might have been one of the better action RPGs. Nomura is trying to revive his own Versus XIII within kingdom hearts but nomura is a dipshit and angry old man that won't do it justice, he's just angry his concepts weren't used like he wanted to.
>>727179495It’s not just the graphics though. It feels like everything in vidya has stagnated and/or is just outright worse than it was a decade ago.
>>727178620Shame on you, because the post DLC battle where you get to fight Noctis and the bros was pretty kino. I actually can't think of any other game that let you experience the final battle from the villain's perspective, seeing them use all the same moves you had in the game, they can even use items to heal but don't spam it like you did or that would be too bullshit. It was a really cool fight, ngl. I kinda wish more games do this.
>>727119075I've not played a FF game since X (I also briefly played a friend's X-2).Am I missing out?
>>727180482FFX is the last good FF game, so no
>>727181078Thanks Anon. I'll keep looking, I hope one day I can experience joy and wonder again.
>>727180353you're right, but for the most part I think it's been going on longer than that, and games that are pretty infamous for being innovative 20 something years ago are probably less well known now despite the industry exploding over the years. the sweet spot seems to be a halfway point between graphics/atmosphere and gameplay. at least that's what I'd wager.
>>727180353It's why so many people are falling for the AIslop train, they see it as the next big step in the evolution of media.
I finished 13, I didn't finish 15.
>>727181276AI doesn't suddenly improve graphics though, it just lets you make variations on existing things faster.
>>727180381O didn'y finish the FFXV story either. Ibgot tonthe dog used it and that was itbruined. Intake it that was near the end though.Story was ignorable. Ardyn was the good guy.Would have been a good game to play as him.FFXVAArdyn a nice guy, long before the events in XV. Nice settings. BeiN nice.L2 to heal. Healing others gives you life. With more life the world is nicer.Only heal when others need it though. Or vastly opposite. Health rapidly lost and world worse.Some try to trick. Like they can steal the power. Like killing you is them you.R2 to counter vlows. Counter held coats life and world. Better to be hit. But countering sees how they're hurt and then heal makes them nice etc beautiful.
>>727177821Lost Odyssey was the last good "Final Fantasy" game.
>>727119075>Let us make 3D Venise>But you'll only spend 20 minutes thereToo bad their direction was completely retarded and garbage, this game really had potential, but it was so bad. Royal edition is the base game, anything release prior to that was early access.
>>727119075Bump
>>727180482No but the 13 series has its moments and is one of the few real time but not an action rpg like X-2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sH-TdD93mE
>>727164437This
>>727185579Not anymore now that E33 exists
>>727177770i just don't get why they would put SoP so close to it, especially when the whole big dick energy stickh is character action games butterand then out limps the blander than bland xvi with zero spark or chemistry
>>727174792cidney > aranea = shiva = lunafreya
>>727191570SoP is one of those monkey's paw games that feel like it shouldn't exist but somehow it does. Playing XVI right after finishing SoP just makes XVI feel so dull to play by comparison. The difference is that SoP is an actual game, deep, fun, and well designed overall while XVI feels more like an interactive movie instead of an RPG. And it's not about being a Souls like either. Even if you stripped away that influence, SoP's combat would still be more engaging and mogs everything about XVI's gameplay.
>>727119075I liked it more than 16 but that’s not saying much. 16 was just boring, I at least had some fun traveling in 15.
>>727119119Try 2006, when the first trailer of Versus XIII released
>>727127021You're bullshitting right?
>>727119075XV is the best FF
>>727164437verified as true
>>727130948>CidneyThank you for using her actual name and not "Cindy". Whoever translated and adapted XV is a faggot.
All other FF games > 13 > 15 > 16 > 14.
>>727119119Stagnation fucking sucks
>>727194005its still cidney in the German version
>>727131246I mean Versus XIII in essence was supposed to be some kind of "counterpart" to XIII, so XIII being all "light" and Versus being "darker" at least in art direction symbolically fits.
why are there so many games that ripoff ff15
>>727165992B won
>>727119075The gay boy band main party was the only thing I needed to know about this game before never touching it.Couldn't even put the sexy mechanic or dragoon girl there so straight men would have something to look at. Bunch of crusty gay-ass japs, couldn't be happier that the studio is already six feet under not even a decade after their debut title.
>>727133805Now if there was any way to get a glimpse of what Nomura wanted to do with this game, I wouldn't mind modders making a Versus mode for PC
>>727194198They're not ripping off FFXV, they look like it because XV is the most generic-looking FF to date.They're just referencing the same pool.
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>>727194454no they're ripping off xv because it has a clear distinct visual style unique to itselfthe most generic ff is 16clive looks like some dragon age reject or an mmo npc
>>727135416I think this is what hurts the most, that it's going to be shoved into Kingdom Hearts out of all places.
>>727119075>better than 13?No>16?In some ways kindaMore combat options and variety, and it does a good job making your party members actually feel like people making their own decisions during fights while still helping you outBut the game is extremely unbalanced in the player's favor and it's basically impossible to die due to you having 10 billion healing options available at all timesAs a result, only a handful of fights are actually interesting and challenging, while most of the game is just flailing at enemies and fishing for iframes via link-strikes, techniques, and other shitYou know shit's fucked when the hardest part of a Final Fantasy game isn't a superboss but a janky optional platforming dungeon accessed via awkwardly landing your airship-car in the middle of nowhereStill fun but kind of a mess16 is more rigid but better-designed overall>Did you play dubbed or subbed?Yes>Did you ever finish all the DLC?Yes
>>727194351luminous guy got promoted to head of the engine division fyitheyre still using luminous which will be rebranded into a new in house engine soon
>>727194551Nah, that's just "generic OP anime pretty boy" aesthetic. You might as well say that they're ripping off Solo Leveling instead.They all look like that because it's cultural inbreeding.XVI looks generic and unremarkable too, but for a different aesthetic because Yoshida is a westaboo who loves GoT and The Witcher.
>>727119075better than 13 yesbetter than 16 yessubbed then dubbed on 2nd runyes, ignis dlc the best one
>>727194716nah sora is that or even tales of would be thatI'm talking about aesthetic and vibe not "he has spiky hair too"this is clearly copying off noctis to make fake Noctis's
>>727131437SoP is pretty much what Mobius should've been as a "dark subversive reimagining of FF1 that still ultimately reaffirms the themes of FF1"Far more interesting in its subversion, reimagining, and presentation of its themes while also being much better-paced and not needing dozens of cutscenes all restating the same thingI still like Mobius conceptually but it just wasn't executed very well, sadlyAt least the art and music were good though
>>727147412>It’s like saying FF7 sucked because we didn’t get the wutai wars.Wrong analogy. It's like getting the Midgar chapter out of FF7
>>727194674Luminous Engine is too outdated and too few people know how to use it, even if it was rebranded. They'd need to keep using it to make the development cost worth it, sure, but many other big AAA projects like 7R will still stick with UE5. It's just the modern standard now.
Better than XIII marginallyWay worse than XVI
>>727156385What did he win?
>>727171924Jesus
>>727176384>Also, Iris is Gladio's sister and no way in hell i'm accepting him as brother-in-law.Not that anon, but that's fair
>>727119075It was better than XII as well.
>>727179562Put Nomura on a leash and work his ass on Versus XIII and cut KH budget.Also cancel the FFVI compilation except Before Crisis and Crisis Core and keep them separate and not let them bleed too much into the FVII remake story.
>>727197374>cut KH budgetSource; my anal
>>727194674>luminous guy got promotedHe went from being the head of an entire studio AND game director back to only leading the engine development after Forspoken bombed.That's a demotion if I've ever seen one.
