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The queen has arrived.

Eh, these never work out
For whatever reason the people that gravitate to this niche are assholes that despise one another
W101 and God Hand GOTYAY

>>727215243
I don't think that's true, but I do agree these threads tend to go badly entirely because of a single Ninja Gaiden schizoid

>>727215295
I've been involved with the god hand "community" enough to know that action games attract young socially maladapted indians/indonesians/brazilians and they tend to be very aggressive with their opinions

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The genre is dead.

- The boomers hate anything and everything new that comes out of it. Always complaining and shitting on the games, and then wonder why they keep going away for 10+ years for the sake of Soulslop. All the boomers do nowadays is spend their time on social media sitting in their old man chair spitting that "back in muh day"

- The zoomers don't become super autistic about their combat. They just play them once and stop looking because they lack gooner bait. Kurogame needs to make a anime theme stylish action game with anime goon for zoomer to actually become addicted to the genre

- The """""""""hardcore players"""""""""" constantly get cuck by Tourist coming in, stating their weak ass opinion, getting all the credit (and sponsors, and real money transactions) for their mediocre effort

Also, indian niggers

>enter action game thread
>see tons of so called experts
>ask for a stream so they can show off and show us how true gods like themselves play
>they never ever do
It's tiring

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>>727215689
I am not your trained monkey
You get my scraps

>>727215689
i've seen exactly one anon on here stream shinobi ps2
everyone else is a poser no-games

>>727215791
What the fuck are you talking about? These threads should have tons of gameplay posted, lots of people watching and streaming, getting advice, cheering on new people, instead it's just schizophrenic garbage and/or parroting a certain electric underground

>>727215847
That was me :D
Only 2 people showed up, showing how little /v/ actually cares about games, but thanks to the people that did show up

>>727215589
The genre was always niche and always will be, but a bigger general audience means a larger niche audience.

The real issue is that these games are just fucking hard to make. Shitty failed Indie action games are a dime a dozen and even big studios can easily fuck it up (see: NG4).

Mikami's probably the only guy with a grasp on action games that ever bothered to train apprentices, which is why I'm looking forward to see what Krafton-Tango produces.

>>727215879
Anon that would require people playing through these games for the first time
They're pretty old and, with the exception of god hand, well documented

I feel like I've stagnated in Bayonetta, I do the same 8 or so combos, and the game just feels very samey
Could simply be burnout, I've been playing the game for years

>>727216280
bayonetta 1 only has about 8 viable strings anyway
you can learn cooler things like accessory offset or playing with crow feathers
it kind of caps off though unless you're making combo videos or something

>>727215589
>The genre is dead.
no it isn't. soulstice exists, wanted dead exists, samurai jack game exists, ninja gaiden 4 just came out, homura hime is coming out, mightreya is coming out, and more.
the real problem is that "fans of the genre" really don't care about the genre and just want to argue about whether ninja gaiden or devil may cry is the better series.

>>727216280
Bayo isn't a combo heavy game, it's all about reacting and dodge offset

I THINK VANQUISH is pretty good, although if you were to criticise it I'd agree with a lot of it, I still think it's very fun
My biggest criticism is that horrible sniper section, wtf were they thinking

Played through the Wonderful 101, it was decently fun, super funny, insane amounts of SOVL like I've never seen, clearly a passion project, yet I really didn't like it
The constant switching to gimmicks was annoying, but the biggest problem was the gimmicks weren't even well implemented aside from Punch Out. The Zaxxon section was god awful and shows that Kamiya doesn't understand what makes a good shmup

>>727215589
Soulslikes at least release as a full package. 90% of these action games have very fun combat but cardboard characters and story, mid music, shit level design, reused levels, barely any content.

If you would actually release a real action where everything is in order and not just the combat it'll sell 10mil copies.

Only played the first 3 chapters of Ninja Gaiden 4, I'm finding it pretty fun. Does it get worse as it goes on and that's whats causing the backlash?

>>727216735
>cardboard characters and story,
every souls game is much worse about this than the genre standards
>mid music,
lol
>shit level design,
it depends. dmc5 certainly has shit level design but even bayo 3 and ng4 bother to have side areas with secrets
>reused levels,
souls shit is all backtracking all the time
>barely any content.
if the combat is good, you can play it for hundreds of hours. fromsoft shits out 300 clones of the same sword and has "higher difficulties" that literally just increase every enemy level by a percentage. if that counts as content, then dmc games have fuckloads of content. no one is getting hardest difficulty full S ranks on their first playthrough.

These threads are always shit because of how surface level they are in both historicity and mechanics. Even the whole NG2 thing feels like a way for /v to shitpost against itself. It’s like we just try to ragebait each other endlessly

I'm charging my ultimate technique right now, and it will go off at the next poster

>>727217007
I'm not going to argue your opinions. It's very obvious that people love the worlds that many soulslikes created and the sales reflect that.
DMC5 had a lot of effort put into and the sales reflect that. Which is just further proof that these games have a high sales ceiling if they put in quality.
Most action games are an embarrassment on these fronts.

This is not something I'll argue with a clown.

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>>727217397
I'm afraid my previously mentioned UT has gone off and you have been delimbed

>>727217397
DMC5 success was in part due to its Artstyle change to realism & its Narrative approach. I’m not bullshitting Itsuno directly stated they made it to appeal to westerners, it was a pre E33 phenomenon. Also why it takes so much from DmC DMC

>>727216541
>Soulstice
>Wanted: Dead
>Samurai Jack
You can't just pretend every third person action game fits this mold.

>>727216701
Kamiya minigames are always a hassle but the basic systems in W101 are so good it's worth it
Go back and keep playing on harder difficulties

>>727217397
>"x game is shit compared to y"
>y game is shit compared to x
>"HOW DARE YOU!"
pussy

Probably because DMC has a lack of gameplay density nutaku gameplay necrosis resource snowing

>>727217717
samurai jack and soulstice count
wanted dead certainly doesn't but the itagaki worshippers love it.

>>727217717
you haven't played any of those games if you think they are not character action/spectacle fighters/cuhrazy games. wanted dead is the least fitting, but it still counts.

>>727216120
>with the exception of god hand, well documented
God Hand has been well documented for over a decade.

>>727218670
>Itagaki worshippers
Itagaki had nothing to do with the game. The man was too drunk to even attend meetings during its development.
>>727218756
>wanted dead is the least fitting, but it still counts.
It doesn't

>>727219059
>Itagaki had nothing to do with the game. The man was too drunk to even attend meetings during its development.
you know that and i know that, but itagaki fags don't.

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>>727216541
>homura hime
Are multiple people pushing this or are you the one autist who keeps talking about this game? If the latter, then thanks, I tried the demo because of one of the shilling posts and it was great. At first I wasn't sure about it because there was zero challenge but the boss fight really made it come together. Excited for the full release.
How's Soulstice?

>>727216735
It's more about public perception than the actual content. Souls games kept selling more and more the worse the level design and music got.
Memes are what sells games in today's age, it's about what social media and content creators say about the game, regardless of how true it is.
It does need the seed of truth there, of course. If Demon's Souls and Dark Souls weren't as amazing as they are, it never would have taken off, but now their audience can be fed literal shit and they'll clap and ask for more.

>souls souls souls souls
Can we have one fucking thread without this shit

>>727219803
It's an inevitable point of comparison if people are talking about sales and mainstream appeal. But I wouldn't mind a thread without sales and mainstream appeal talk, we do talk more about how to get people to buy the game than the games.

>>727219461
multiple people are interested in it, i believe it is one of the bigger indie releases people are looking forward to. i saw a couple posts in next fest threads a few months ago and that is how i know about it. i barely bring it up except when people say shit like "the genre is DEAD", because it isn't dead, especially considering the amount of indies who are now taking it upon themselves to iterate on the formula.

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sometimes a game just hits you with shit

>>727219461
NTA, might have been me, I shilled Homura Hime when the demo came out, it’s been on my wishlist for years.

>>727219927
>especially considering the amount of indies who are now taking it upon themselves to iterate on the formula.
I’m slow, the deader the genre stays the more novel Mayhem League is when it comes out. I pray for it to resubmerge not actually. Excited for both Homura Hime and eventually Genokids

been playing NGB on hard, i don't actually like how enemies spawn in boss fights, it's always felt like a really cheap and lazy way to make a fight harder

>>727216735
Where winds meet has good music, good writing(including the characters), looks great
But its currently only got 2(big) zones, only China has the full game
If you really like action games, legendary difficulty should be fun for you, im getting filtered in the main campaign but too stubborn to lower the difficulty

>>727218968
God Hand remains poorly documented. The most thorough source of info is a doc that was deleted off speedrun.com

>>727217780
I disagree. Usually this is true but TW101 is the one game where I feel like the combat is mid on its best day, and it’s the wacky Wario-Ware ass charm that actually makes the game. It feels like Kamiya making a Kamiya game, not an action game. Like this was always the point and stylish combat was something he tolerated as an essential avenue to more retro arcade references. It works for TW101, it’s silly as shit and loads of fun. But the combat is just alright.

>>727220417
Yep, Itagaki cannot design a game and he was the worst hack the industry has ever known

The problem I have is that Kamiya doesn't seem to actually understand how to make a polished arcade game, not just putting them in
If you're going to do it, put the time they need

>>727220558
speedruns are worthless
mike kob recorded everything of note years ago, either on his youtube channel or on LP Archive

Why did Mike Kob perform a full combo on Yoshesque

>>727220417
if oatmeal sama didn't try as hard as possible to add grating shit to the game to troll the players NGB would be a 10/10, Still my favourite action game by far but I wish the bosses weren't aids, alma is bullshit enough without the scrotum demons

>>727220417
If you know how to fight the enemy types that spawned, they become a resource and work in your favor instead. I think it's good. You can either recover life, ninpo or UT because of them. In 2 they sometimes spawn so many that the enemies become the real challenge like Rasetsu, but in 1 it's always just a few to keep the crowd control aspect during bosses and serve as a source of essence.
4 was able to circumvent that by giving you multiple ways of spawning essence from the boss itself through universal mechanics instead of relying on boss mechanics like "cut the flailing arms for essence", but I still wish more bosses had adds on MN.

>>727220479
What's the catch for it to be free? If you say there's no catch I'll disregard your post.

>>727222557
if i was going to "fix" ngb i wouldn't spawn fewer enemies
i'd remove the entire underwater level and somehow remove/ rework any forced bow encounters. those are the real shit parts

>>727214387
>>727215243
It is my favorite genre in gaming but sadly it doesn't get anywhere near the support I would like for it to have and even the best games in the genre can have some problems here and there. Take NGB for example which I have now solidified in my mind is the best action game ever. As amazing as it is there is no proper NG+ to go through. You have to start from scratch every time no matter the difficulty. Its fine for an NGB enjoyer such as myself but even I still wanted a NG+ just so I could go through the game again but with maxed out gear. Doesn't matter if I had to be locked to the same difficulty it still would have been great. NG2 on Xbox allows for it so Itagaki even knew it was a good idea to have such a thing.

But sadly most devs will just shoehorn in RPG elements and make shitty lazy likely open arena design rather than more creative shit like how NGB had. I can't trust the modern industry to do this genre justice. You also have that shitty Batman style suck to target thing that is basically a default for action games. As I look back it seems this genre never got the appreciation it deserved.

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>>727217717
I can and I will.

>>727223884
Sigma jump n shoot is peak

>>727224016
>first good game in the series
>dies forever
oneechanbros..

>>727224016
>>727224130
i got the bundle on steam with z2 chaos, origins, and school girl/zombie hunter. which should i play first?

>>727224693
Origin first, don't play the TPS. Or emulate the original PS2 game to experience true jank kino.

>>727224693
origins is the only good game there
the other two might be brainless fun for a bit

Here’s a question would you accept an action game classically designed like a Ninja Gaiden or God Hand but it has a stamina bar. Can a a marriage between Souls & Hack n slash occur?

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https://www.nexusmods.com/nierautomata/mods/565?tab=description
After all these years of seething, the mod apparently exists and it's even in version 3. I feel stupid

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>>727225446
>action game classically designed like a Ninja Gaiden or God Hand but it has a stamina bar
Why would you do that, even From dropped the stamina bar when they made a game with more mobility.

>>727225446
That's just to make your game look flashy, which makes it more annoying than engaging, as people will want to use the movement more frequently but can't. Souls stamina limits your movement because the point of souls games is that you have limited options, while Curahzee Acktion Vidya is more about freedom

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>>727225446
Lost Soul Aside has a stamina meter, it works quite well there.

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I've gotten to the cathedral in NG Sigma and I'm getting angry
>No fucking save spots inside
>Camera is triply spastic compared to the earlier sections
>Some things just refuse to aim or go towards the flying scythe niggers even if they're right in front of me and I'm looking at them (I'm looking at you, shurikens)
>The weird brown imps are practically invulnerable 90% of the time although I can't whine much about them since they're easy to kill
Send help

>>727221113
Retard

>>727225446
>>727225446
Dumbest approach. If you want to marry these genres you should be focusing on marrying the best elements of each
>complex and varied boss movesets which you must master, successfully predicting each attack before it comes out and knowing the perfect moment to strike
>tight, fluid, unrestricted controls where you’re more limited by your own decision paralysis than anything as you have hundreds of unique attacks at your disposal

>>727226307
>falling for the shitagaki meme
LMAO

>>727226307
Do it little by little, make some progress/get key item, go outside and save.

>>727226028
it's more of a magic meter since you can still fight without it.
the closest version of that is nioh 2

>>727226423
Not necessarily

Souls in terms of action design already have much in common with the more adventure / defense based approach of old action games such as KH1 non FM and Ninja Gaiden 1. I personally don’t see it as a leap but who knows I can be dumb for thinking so

>>727227726
You still use it for dodges and blocks, it's still a stamina meter. Just more segmented, with faster recovery and not tied to your basic attacks, but it shapes how you fight and you need to play around it.

>>727227776
My point is that “stamina management” isn’t what makes soulslikes good. It’s the fact that the games are about what bosses/enemies can do and you’re forced to observe, learn, and predict rather than just press the not-die button the instant you see the kill-you coming with no further thought.

I can tell you every attack available to Genichiro from memory. I doubt I could tell you 3 attacks done by any boss in Bayonetta.

>>727226337
https://web.archive.org/web/20220201000000*/https://www.speedrun.com/godhand
find it then queer
the only "guide" i was able to find on there was a link to mike's youtube

>>727228049
>I can tell you every attack available to Genichiro from memory. I doubt I could tell you 3 attacks done by any boss in Bayonetta.
bizarre comment. i can tell you everything jeanne does. sekiro is just move you parry, projectile you parry and move you mikiri counter for 90% of the game.

>>727228049

I understand now thank you for clarifying. My point however is that stamina management being the thing that gates both offense and defense is to me an interesting design if it were paired with more combat states or environmental interactions such as wall collision. As we all know Souls barely pass the retard test but they have Hitboxes, and standard light and heavy differentiation for samey movesets. Also please note I was in no way talking about le Roll button being the defense answer to all enemy attacks. Easily tracking or roll catch moves could be designed (Side steps, back steps)

>>727227939
you can roll without stamina
actually wonderful 101 charges you to block and dodge too, and to make weapons

>>727228181
>i can tell you everything jeanne does
Disingenuous, she’s a mirror match so you only need to recognize your own moves coming out of her. How many Lumen Sage attacks can you identify?

Geni, BTW, is
>over-shoulder left right swing combo
>11-hit waterfowl dance thing
>jump, helm splitter to roundhouse low
>jump, helm splitter to thrust
>jump, three arrows
>single powerful arrow
>roundhouse power swing
I wanna say he has a rush-in with a lateral slice too but that may have been added for Resurrection specifically. And of course Sakura Dance is Inner-Geni only in the unmodded game.

Metal Gear Rising is everything I want out of these games in terms of presentation. It’s a shame it also plays the worst of any of these games.

>>727226028
>enemy: "mom said it's my turn to attack"

>>727228497
>she’s a mirror match so you only need to recognize your own moves coming out of her.
no she isn't jesus christ. she can summon gomorrah. she has a fan spread projectile attack. she rides a fucking motorcycle and tries to ram you with it.
you're just using a lot of words to say "i played sekiro more than bayonetta"

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I just finished DMC5 for the first time, I was playing it in bits but today I pretty much beat the second half of the game in one sitting because I got very invested in how Dante plays. I see how they're really trying to make Nero the new main character, but in terms of gameplay, he's just a gimped version of Dante and his Devil Breakers didn't help much in terms of combo potential compared to how stupidly fun Swordmaster Dante is, especially with his new weapons. Really fun game especially after playing 4, I'm gonna replay it with Vergil tomorrow to get the extra cutscenes.

>>727228652
I share your feelings so much it hurts Anon

MGR and Nier Automata for myself felt like I was being gaslighted constantly. Great Aniamtion, Sound Design, Aesthetic, Presentstion. Absolute barren gameplay in my eyes for the both of them

>>727228849
SHAMONA

>>727228880
Unless you've
>played drakengard 1
>played drakengard 2
>played drakengard 3
>played all DLCs of drakengard 3
>played nier including side quests
>read grimoire nier
>listened to the audio CD
>read the manga
>watch the untranslated stage play
Then you aren't ready for Automata and your opinion means nothing

>>727229003
I’m talking about game design. Taro, SWERY, Suda comes with droves of presentation and artistry however their game design are either pieces of shit or close to being one

Gr8 B8 M8 i r8 8/8

>>727229289
And what game has non-barren gameplay to you?

I wanna play Stellar Blade but it's too expensive for a late port. How does Onimusha compare to Ninja Gaiden?

>>727229542
Onimusha is crapcum dogshit, but Ninja Gaiden is shovelware so take your pick, I'd rather play good games instead

Slave Zero X is so bad

>>727229542
onimusha is a samurai game with resident evil controls. you can one-shot the normal enemies and nearly stunlock the bosses.
it's okay since it's like 2 hours long

>>727229389
Games that require more than just spamming dodge that has 0 startup I frames and last for the entire duration of the dodge because they didn’t want to figure out how to do overlapping attacks for their game design

Like the game that’s fine don’t tell me or bait into thinking that the RPG design was cohesive in this game. They would have better learned from KH1 with the melding of RPG and Action design. Again I’m purely talking about the merits of its game design

>>727229852
>refuses to name specific games

>>727229676
I don't think this style of game really works in 2D. The closest thing I can think of that's still good is the Prince of Persia metroidvania.

>>727228880
MGR gameplay is great. Not super deep but deep enough

Nier Automata is trash

>>727229936
Vernal Edge is a combo simulator and works just fine.

>>727229936
viewtiful joe definitely
games like sakuna and aztez are pretty good too

>>727229935

God Hand
Ninja Gaiden 04/Black
Ninja Gaiden 2 (flawed as it is)
Path of Neo (flawed as it is)
Blood+ Battle Rondo (JP Only)
DMC 1/3/4
Bloody Spell (flawed as it is)
Kingdom Hearts 1 non FM
Death By Degrees (Interesting game with shit controls but does really cool things)
Jet Li Rise to Honor (Jet Li Goat jank game and flawed)
Eastern Exorcist (2D)
Gujian 3
Sword and Fairy 7

I chose not to name any souls hope that’s fine, got any to name yourself; I listed ones I enjoy that I can respect. Can’t say the same for MGR & Nier Automata

>lists literal shovelware and licensedshit
LMAO

>>727230269
>non FM
Elaborate, what's wrong with 1FM?

>>727230308
Care about game design especially action combat sometimes going through trash mets out jewels or at least interesting designs. Care be sincere and name something yourself or be irony poison and laugh on the sidelines

It’s the internet have a little fun anon

>>727230426
>if you don't play garbage like path of neo and ninja gaiden then you're irony poisoned
Good fucking lord

>>727230513
path of neo is cool as fuck
i'm thinking... filtered?

>>727230414
I personally enjoy the vanilla version more due to no leaf bracer which makes using healing magic needing an opening
-lack of gap closing moves which means positional remain constant paired with the recovery of moves mean your constantly thinking about enemies
-better colors for enemies (subjective)
-game is harder for the right reasons
FM still a great game with great extra content but certain minor changes makes me like Base more than FM in terms of combat design

>>727230513
>Refuses to list games

>>727228815
You’re saying this, and I’m realizing it’s true, and it’s reinforcing just how little attention I paid to any boss moveset in Bayonetta kek

Hmmm yes, too much inertia, not enough weight, too much resource snowing, not enough gameplay density

>>727230269
Overhating MGR here. It has deep and fundamental flaws in how it’s balanced, but fuck’s sake you have vanilla KH1 on there, that game is embarrasingly broken from an action game perspective

You see I have evolved past the point of action games, I have mastered them all without even touching them
This is what being a disciple of Mork means

>>727229542
Genma Onimusha feels like a big inspiration of NGB, if you like NGB it's 100% worth playing.
And don't play Warlords because the combat is way worse in that version.
The combat in Onimusha 2 is a downgrade compared to Genma.

>>727231501
Does Genma emulate well? Apparently none of the changes carried over to the remaster.

>>727231919
Yes, it emulates great on Xemu, played it twice using it.

>>727230976
I don’t mean to come off as overheating for MGR certainly for Nier Automata however. Wished the weapon design was better however, also can’t say I agree with how Vanilla KH1 is flawed unless you give specifics I can concede on. Gravity works wonders on certain stationary big bosses but that’s the one I can think of. For me KH1 nails entirely what it sets out to do, Square approach to 3D Combat is always atleast interesting

The genre is dead because NGfags made everyone hate it

>>727232716
I don't hate the genre but I hate NGfags because they're retarded attention seeking non-players that think a dev being a obnoxious vitriolic retard is the same as being a good dev

>>727226307
It only gets worse from here lol

>>727232716
So it was never truly alive to begin with then.

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>>727232010
Just got it running, thanks for the tips. Always been kind of interested in the series but this was a good excuse to finally start instead of ignoring it until the new one. Doubt I'll go through the whole series but at least I'll have this experience to compare the new one to.

Wondering how much Genma changed in regards to presentation, story and stuff like that, if anything. That was a long ass intro CG.

>>727233008
Honest question where are these NGfags cause it just seems like a way for ragebaiting and shitposting. I can only get the most surface level observations in any discussion revolving around NG on /v
I’m happy when someone mentions OOT or Onimusha once in a blue moon in a NG thread

>>727214387
sekiro>god hand>ninja gaiden>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poop>dmc

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Anything decent that came out recently that was overlooked? Anything interesting to look forward to?
Off the top of my head, the genekids first chapter came out a month or so ago. Obviously we had NG4. What else?

>>727233537
i think its mostly the same except it adds one new area with one new enemy (doll), idk i never played genma
enjoy
dawn of dreams is also underrated in its own way, the brawler guy (portguese?) is like a proto-godhand

>>727233789
NG4 isn't even decent.

>>727233863
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZxwk41EYQ

>>727233929
Whys that?

>>727233789
lost soul aside is fun
sometimes i have a retard moment and buy indie jank like real web legends or heartless & dreadful

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>>727225446
>Can a a marriage between Souls & Hack n slash occur?
Isn't that Just khazan the first berserker?
https://youtu.be/dwgS6gkDLIE?si=pJOisoK3xij-y6td

>>727233537
Story and presentation is basically the same, Genma added the option to skip cutscenes and I think (not sure if the original has it) Genma also added the option to use the japanese dub.
Genma is more like an expanded and somewhat harder version of the original game, it added the Green Soul, two new bosses, another optional Dark Realm and the Ogre Tower which is an optional challenge that is pretty hard but fun to do and has some great rewards (exclusive to Genma) if you're willing to finish it.

>>727226307
What difficulty?
In any case, git gud or savescum.
The catacombs (what follows after this) is even worse. But once past that, it's smooth sailing (choppers and tanks not withstanding).

>>727233929
Maybe so, but it's a new entry in one of the pillars of the genre. So it's noteworthy at the very least

>>727233537
>>727234136
And also the option to charge attacks, which is a great addition to the combat is only in Genma.

>>727234286
Damn, just judging by the tutorial text, Green Souls and the charge attacks seem like pretty massive parts of the gameplay to be omitted from the remaster.

>>727228849
The weakness of Nero is that he's designed to be a "basic, beginner-friendly" character. His skills are built in such a way that beginners wouldn't be too overwhelmed by too many options. This is why he doesn't have alternative styles or weapons. He does have Devil Breakers, but they're all pretty one-note.

Dante, on the other hand, was already someone who went around with multiple weapons, and DMC3 gave him styles. Those are "his things", in the same vein as how Nero is defined by simplicity, arm powers and rev. Vergil is defined by his concentration gauge, teleport and hyper-aggressive playstyle. The devs have basically decided that each character is defined by a particular set of traits, and this effectively pigeonholes Nero into a less intricate and fund playstyle. And they probably won't change that because if they do give Nero more weapons or styles, it'd be seen as leaving his own niche and forcing himself into Dante's niche. Plus, they'd lose their beginner-friendly character.

>>727234459
Yes, playing Warlords and Genma feels like night and day, Genma has much more depth.

>>727233998
ROBERTOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>727234035
Thanks for the name drops I knew RWL but not the other. I listed some action jank above but didn’t mention any I think were to far beyond the pale for most -Indie stuff Incoming-
Soul of Blades
Class Zero Seven (Unreleased)
Raw Metal
Quantum Beast
Sprit x Strike
Liuyin World
Misturugi Kamui Hikae

Sorry for the initiated list just excited another Anon shares the Indie Jank diving

I'm just gonna say it
Onechanbara Z2 Chaos is a legitimately fun action game

Does BloodRayne count?

>>727234167
>The catacombs
I love how it straight up opens up with an escape sequence except you can't see where you're going and instead of quick resets you get shit that just stop you over and over
They really don't want people to enjoy the game sometimes

>>727234519
i kneel
i played mitsurugi kamui hikae when it came out
the rest i mostly haven't heard of

>>727234050
>It's only 30% off at the moment AND they took the demo off
Fuck you too....

>>727217713
>Also why it takes so much from DmC DMC
People say this but if you ask why it's only the vaguest of inspirations, and the same people had been hired to work on DmC to fix it in the first place anyway. They're literally the same ones who had to fix the gameplay that NT bungled.

>>727234228
not really it's NG4 in name only.
it's more similar to Yaiba or some other trahs spinoff without ryu or the NG combat system.

Got destroyed by the big guy in the underground temple when he stole my green orb and devil triggered. This game is neat. Will continue tomorrow.

>>727233789
Bayos model looks so fucking stupid.

>>727233789
Cosmic Invasion is out tomorrow as a new 2D Beat em up, by the TMNT Shredder's Revenge devs.

>>727235815
I take bigger issue with Kratos doing such a silly gesture.

>>727235032
vergil teleport specifically works like DmC instead of dmc3 which is gay
also making every boss into a boring wall you bash away it in-between dialogue sequences. and vergil final boss that you cam juggle for some reason. there's a lot of subtle DmC

>>727215689
Ask the saviour of action games Mork. He reviewing ng next so why no stream?

>>727216280
>>727216494
What are the viable strings?

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https://youtu.be/6ubChlLxovQ?si=kV87yWVza6LIorxg
Are we optimistic?

>>727236412
PKP, PPKP, PPKKK, PPPKKK are the main ones
PPPPP, PPPPPK, PPPKP are okay
then your weapon specific string because why not

>>727235032
Your claim is completely with merit. And I hope you’ll accept my answers in part for all you’ve heard (Autism inbound). First off their is a certain design lineage from DmC DMC ~ DMC4SE - to finally DMC5 if you want to understand the DmC claims it’s truly important to understand just what Vergil was in DMC4SE
-Staying in the air being simplified and longer hang time for aerials with a focus on air isolation with no recourse from enemy design. This you may or may not disagree with but DMC5 is the slowest you fall in any game
-from Gothic Punk to Hell Punk or close to or inspiration from Heroin Chic and Grunge
-DmC Vergil is the primary character kit creation that carried over from DmC into DMC4SE (Vergil, Lady, Trish) into DMC5 which can easily be seen with V

-Different manner of input buffering which makes certain (I’m sure you’ve already heard about reversals and Innertia)
-One Key Type One Door (exactly the same in DmC
-Linear level design with no ability to traversal back to past areas

>>727236441
LOL no.
even the trailers have HUUGE FRAME DROPS.
It's another "tag in summon thing to fight for you, destroying the intimacy of combat" slop game.
no to mention there's dithering and Unreal Engine visual glitches everywhere.

>>727236234
You beat me to it lmao I stopped cause my post was getting too long

But as anon said in his post

Also what Devil May cry fans don’t get was that capcom was and is wholly onboard with everything that DmC was doing and they to this day including itsuno believe it brought ideas to DMC. Whether you agree with that or not is besides the point as they certainly took influence ffrom it with 4SE and 5

>>727221113
>LP Archive
This

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Playing NG3RE Master Ninja
How do i stop enemies from blocking or dodging my strings?

>>727237007
heavy attacks are more likely to connect, lights are more likely to be blocked or dodged. partial charging a heavy adds extra heavy hits to help you break through.

>>727236441
This looks more like Asura's Wrath than DMC to me. Hit the boss 4 times and back to cutscene.

>>727237464
that's how vergil works in 5

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>>727230804

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Can someone shill Khazan to me please, the artstyle looks nice and I like the devs but no idea what it even is about or plays like

>>727237007
Jump around like a spastic so they try and hit you but whiff shit that you can capitalize on

>>727214387
>It's been a while
I doubt it's been 24 hours since you last posted this spam.

>>727214387
>ctrl+f souls
>already 25 matches
Grim. I'd rather have the occasional NGfag yelling at imaginary clouds, at least they can be funny sometimes.

>>727238239
it's nioh 1 with the sekiro parry

>>727237007
Trudge through until you upgrade your weapon to lvl 2+ then mash XXYY... or XXYYY

>>727233008
What does Kamiya have to do with Team Ninja?

>>727220015
this is beautiful

>>727238239
Its a nioh clone with heavy focus on parry instead of ki break

Ninja Gaiden 4 comes out after 13 years, and yet I'm more interested in playing KH2FM right now.

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>>727215689
I made this

>>727241584
Platinum just can't make anything good anymore.

>>727234017
Shit filler segments that add nothing to the game, sometimes chapter long rail grinding, wind gliding or sewer surfing.
Egregious auto-target teleportation
Casual friendly "indicators"
Ryu not being main char but side content for 4 missions
Ryu having one weapon
Ryu missing at least half of his 3RE moveset
Despite that, Ryu being so good even MN becomes a joke.
GT being ridiculously overpowered.
Bosses are too fair.

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>>727241642

>>727241724
Bro every NG has problems

>>727241761
>muh loli loli loli xD haha do I fit in yet
How about you show the gameplay instead?

>>727241584
based

>>727241761
>director left the company
It's so fucking over.

>>727237007
Slide into enemies
Hold Y attacks. Not charging UTs, but XXYhold release.

>>727241642
ng4 is better than astral chain in every conceivable way, and i liked astral chain

>>727241584
>pause pause pause pause pause
Might as well as turns it into a turn based game at this point

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>>727241724
>GT being ridiculously overpowered.
Compared to a guaranteed delimb on wall splat and guaranteed decapitation on delimbed enemies? GT is absolutely not overpowered. It's definitely very strong, but overpowered when enemies that can be GTd can and will regularly block it is nonsense.
This webm shows a "ridiculously overpowered" GT being blocked by an enemy after hit confirming with a wind path.

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>>727242101
This webm shows the perfectly balanced GT clearing an encounter on Master Ninja.

>>727239061
>>727241238
>parries
How bad is it? Parries can be OK imo but also pure cancer
I remember Wo Long being braindead because there was only 1 way to fight shit with how important parry into hold block was and I also hated how Lies of P wanted you to memorize gay ass animations that didn't make any sense with random delays to parry or eat shit

>>727241584
Cooldown-slop

Oh sweet the discord trannies arrived.

>>727242101
Every area with a bottomless pit makes GT an instakill move in 4, GT was perfectly balanced in 1 and 3RE

>>727242385
and every area with a wall makes GT an instant kill in ng2 but somehow no one bitches about that

>>727242062
you don't need to pause to switch weapons. you can just tap it fast enough that the weapon wheel never shows up

>>727242457
I accept your concession

>>727242457
NG2(and sigma 2) is a fucking terribly made game.

>>727242158
If you hate lies of p then you probably hate it to since khazam bosses are very parry focused

>>727242385
Only those with a bottomless pit, it uses GT as part of the level design. There are no areas where it's not busted in 2. 3RE's GT is "too balanced", it's almost never an ideal answer, you use it more because you want to, I prefer it in 4. Agreed with 1, that game being better balanced is a constant, not just the GT.

>>727242595
No. Good game but rushed and ruined by team nigga.

>>727242705
Its a 7/10 game but mogs most 10/10 games

>>727242672
And as I showed here >>727242157 enemies can block GTs. So it's not even as if bottomless pit = spam GT for free, you'll want to hit confirm into it like doing XYXGT, but if you're already there a number of other strings can kick them off the ledges too. Bottomless pits would still be free kills if you didn't have GT available.
One thing they are objectively the best answer to is dealing with flying enemies that stay outside of your ground area. If they're flying near you then you can just pogo from the tachi and izuna drop them, but if they're flying far from you or you're playing Ryu, then you're much better off GTing someone at them.

>>727242672
>3RE's GT is "too balanced", it's almost never an ideal answer, you use it more because you want to
There is no reason to ever use GT in 3RE when the only relaible way to get it out reliably is to use it on an enemy that lost its limb, or got its "armor" broken in the case of applicable enemies, and by that point why would you not OT the dickhead.

>>727242827
For weapons without a neutral launcher it can be a good move to use after breaking the Alchemist's guard, so like for the kusarigama for example. But if you're playing Dragon Sword then yeah, it's a waste of time, just raw launcher and izuna drop into UT.

>>727214387
Why did ninja gaiden 4 flop so hard
You guys were shilling it daily and look what happened
Just like dragon's dogma

>>727243221
/v/ was shitting on it for months with comments like
>ryu isn't playable
>no fiends
>no UT, GT, OT

>>727243221
$70

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>>727228849
I think Dante in DMC5 is the best designed character in any action game. His kit could singlehandedly carry the whole game had the devs wanted it, and I feel like he could also carry a sequel with just some minor adjustments and additions. It's crazy how much they improved his design coming from the incredibly flawed, albeit still somewhat fun, DMC4 version.

>>727241584
Astral was just too big brain for me
I was ungabunga-ing my way through it until it hard filtered me

>>727243346
>>727243221
It requires a later gen CPU which locked out most of the poors that play this genre (like fighting games it attracts poors trying to get a lot out of one purchase)
Even ignoring that it doesn't really feel anything like Ninja Gaiden, it's just kind of a generic Platinum action game and the people left at that studio just aren't that good.

Certainly doesn't help that the director and lead designer's only other directorial roles were fucking Neptunia kusoge

>>727243879
I wish they brought Pandora back

>>727242640
Damn that's sad considering how stylish the game looked
Although Lies of P parries were extra annoying because of the nonsensical animations mostly

>>727244082
Nah mate it's easy as piss it's basically like an mmo with basic rotations and you just have to dodge good. Use lots of stuns.

>>727244082
Astral Chain was the complete opposite of big brain
Taura couldn't get his twin-stick brawler idea to work because people aren't capable of comfortably managing both characters with full control so Kamiya came in and replaced it with a grab bag of reused bullshit. That combat system has absolutely no cohesion.
For fuck's sake the scoring system is literally just points for every move you used at least once on the fight.

>>727244397
Every game in the genre has flaws. Ninja gaiden is just explosions and iframe spam.

>>727244492
There's a difference between being flawed and being totally incohesive.
Astral Chain lacks a functional design concept. The combat, the most important aspect, is a bunch of disparate ideas slapped together in a panic as deadlines approached.

>>727243879
i think he's the worst
rebellion and dsd are horribly implemented. you should obviously start with dsd since it's based on nero's sword and doesn't require swordmaster for basic things, but they cared more about their awful story than the game so you get dsd later. if you prefer rebellion you don't get the very important mirage swords, and dsd can't raw prop shredder, not that it really matters.
balrog 10 count is a damage bonus on a weapon that really doesn't need a damage bonus and it discourages using the interesting mode switch
cavalier is so awkwardly programmed that you can beat the Never Touch the Ground mission by swinging it midair since it slowly pushes you up while the wheel is below dante. in general it isn't fun
the shotgun is yet again nearly worthless and the hat is the most overpowered shit i've ever seen in a game. you don't need to play if you're willing to dump orbs
sdt is mapped in the stupidest way possible and is a win button, especially with quad s
worst of all is the abysmal controller mapping where you can have to tap weapon switch 3 times and style switch to do basic things

>>727244082
ungabunga is the correct approach. you basically never do combos and even getting S rank is easy if you just keep cycling options mindlessly
the only way you got filtered is if you forgot one of the color-coded enemy gimmicks like the wolf digging shit up or the mgr blade mode cuts

I usually don't pine for remakes, but Chaos Legion needs one. Pure untapped potential. Keep the music, the story and the atmosphere, improve the visuals (so you aren't running through drab stonework all the time) and gameplay and baby, you got a stew going
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS1S8wo6c9w

>>727244951
I don't even think there's a studio that could do that today. Normies killed them.

Played Bayonetta today. I can get past double Jeanne on the lost chapter, but it's downwards from there.

>>727244951
>>727245086
What was this one about, never even heard of it

>>727237834
>mfw i can master a game simply by playing it for a single hour like mork says

>>727241724
>9 points made
>4 of them are meaningless fanboy "criticisms"
>the rest are just complaining that a game has gameplay
>complaining a boss is too fair
NGfags are retarded

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>>727244397
>Taura couldn't get his twin-stick brawler idea to work because people aren't capable of comfortably managing both characters with full control
Pedos were the high IQ players all along, who would have thought

>>727245841
I'm not a lolicon
BUT

NG4 might just have the worst extra mode/trials in the series. It's the same gimmicky shit Platinum usually does like Bayonetta's Alfheim.
NG2 Survival > NGB Eternal Legend > 3RE Trials > NGS Survival > Everything else in NG2 Mission Mode > NG4 Trials
It's just so fucking boring and lame.

>>727245564
you're dante but you can summon demons
astral chain is basically the revived concept.
chaos legion has more demons though including stupid shit like a living bomb that you kick at the bad guys
every level is a boring ass slog though made even worse by capcom usa trying to "rebalance" the difficulty. it's still not great in japanese though

>>727246270
You don't understand enough about Bayo if you don't get the point of the alfheims, get good, stop crying, and keep playing

>>727246270
Is it dumb shit like juggle an enemy for a minute?

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>>727243221
It's too hard
I have never felt this filtered

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>>727242827
>>727242868
It is literally the other way around, there's no reason not to GT near walls when it frequently delimbs regardless of HP and in the rare cases it doesn't it still lets the player convert the wallsplat into launcher or a string. Hands down the best ability to buy on Day 1 UN.
The reliable ways to use it simply involve the mere understanding and taking advantage of enemy states (conveyed by their animations) aka the cornerstone concept for all action games and especially Ninja Gaiden.

The mechanical literacy has been at an all time low ever since I stopped posting in these threads.

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Its good now and it's on sale.

>>727245612
His ng videos will be glorious.

>>727246331
It's just time trials and take no damage trials. IT's either do that or do a boss rush.

>>727245682
Get better rage bait.

>>727248537
We need a rogue lite mode and more weapons

>>727248571
>ryu isn't le main character11!!!!!!!
This is why no one takes NGfags seriously

>>727238509
Sekiro perfected action games

>>727248676
This is why no one takes NG4 or sigma fanboys seriously

bump

>>727243221
>baited old fans with Ryu images and being tight lipped about the actual content featuring him
>$70 dollar game that has legacy costumes locked behind DLC
>prerelease DLC that promises new story content and post-game content for $20 dollars that would lead plenty to think the game is unfinished and to just wait for the DLC
>DLC promising post-game content in a genre that needs decent post-game content in the base game
>No costumes to unlock for either Yakumo or Ryu
>MN tries making the game more interesting by remixing enemy placement but it also hampers the player with 2 hits to die
>checkpoint system is bugged to point that no matter whether you hate or love the game everyone agrees it's terrible
>The SFX are louder than the music so the MGR soundtrack people were expecting is hampered by the audio mixing just like DOOM: The Dark Ages
>exploration takes a back seat to the gameplay instead of enhancing it
>quests are lazy and also replay the "quest begin" notification everytime you enter the quest fight
>NinjaCoin and Tyran are worthless past chapter 6-7
>moves are locked behind weapon XP and noobs are already going to have a hard time because the better attacks are unlocked using the XP
>The targetting system can screw the player over by having the player target something offscreen and behind the player and tolerance for that sort of thing has dwindled over the years

There's probably more but I don't want to type anymore. NG4 is an okay game but I don't feel it's worth the $70 dollar asking price and frankly it continues to baffle me by how the franchise manages to mismarket the 3D games so heavily. It feels like a concerted effort from Team Ninja, Microsoft, and Platinum. Granted Platinum are just the third wheel in this scenario so they couldn't say much more than what they have and have been told.

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between crashes on linux, getting my ass kicked and playing other games, it took me two weeks to beat this mission

I'm enjoying Razors Edge

>>727251669
>items used 36
didn't beat

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>>727252023
dont care

>>727225446
Isn't that just Nioh? The combo game can get pretty hectic but you gotta remember to throw a ki-flash out once in a blue moon.

I've noticed that you can spam Izuna Drop, and do dodge into on-land UT, a lot. Not all the time, and enemies do grab you a lot, but quite often you can get away with it
It feels cheap, or is this intended design?

>MN Commander
>Get killed in two or three hits
Its not fun....

>>727226028
never any actual gameplay outside of a fucking training room

Wait so NG4 is bad because it's too hard and has some cancerous microtransactions? lmfao

>>727253338
>has some cancerous microtransactions
Whut?

>>727253501
DLC costumes and story missions
But if the complains genuinely are boiling down to "uh my stoic badass Ryu isn't the main character and it's too hard :(((" then NG4 is great
NGfags are known casuals too

>>727253338
there still are dumbfucks that think DMC5 is pay 2 win

>>727253535
Tbh, some of Yakumo's suit sounds like they were meant to be unlockable.
Master Raven sounds like a reward for clearing MN for example.

>>727252429
Nioh has pretty glacially paced combat

>>727253302
series staple

>>727253976
t. only 3 hours played

>>727253338
read >>727251591

>>727254227
>it's bad because muh no ryu
Yeah I read your pathetic non-complaints lil NGfag

>>727234461
>Dante, on the other hand, was already someone who went around with multiple weapons, and DMC3 gave him styles. Those are "his things", in the same vein as how Nero is defined by simplicity, arm powers and rev
I feel like this kind of things kills multiple characters.
In NG4, Yakumo and Ryu can do 90% of the same stuff like GT, OT, UT and ID. But their damage outputs (RYU STRONK) and the weapon change/ninpos is enough to differentiate them.

>watch an electric underground video
>he complains about dantes DMC 3 moveset having too many options
>while using a mod to give him all styles at once in a game not designed for it
Youtubers are retarded

>>727254335
The switch release does it too.... But yeah, I dunno why people on /v/ shill this guy.

i'm playing bayonneta, gameplay is great, but there's too much qtes and cutscenes, i'm about to drop it

>>727254547
You can skip cutscenes by holding dodge and back, but the cutscenes are fun enough
You get used to the QTEs
Please don't drop it, it's a truly amazing game with some admittedly really goddamn annoying shit, but overall it's fantastic

>>727253848
Actually wild that Dark Yakumo isn't an unlockable costume.

>>727254335
He also admitted to not knowing what royal release was until that video lol

>Push the joysticks for berserk
>Either lock on enemy or slide
This is ass.

>>727254335
This is the same guy that had to "carefully analyze" footage from a Japanese player to realize that Royalguard has "counter hit properties".

Honestly, his whole issue is that he doesn't like a lot of mechanics slapped together in the same game because he gets lost which, mind you, I can sympathize with. However, he tends to go around that in the most obnoxious way possible. His Final Fight video is a good example; he does make some good points in it, but overall feels like he is trying to convince himself more than his own audience.

>>727255338
I had this exact same problem. Maybe they could've made it a a button combo?

>>727256113
I resolved this by equipping the pipe and not bothering with berserk anymore.

Is it just or is the bow in NG2 really bad compared to NG1? AFAIK you can't dodge out of aiming and it basically deals no damage when uncharged.
There are lots of moments where millions of guys shoot at you with rockets from 10 km away and shooting them with the bow is infiurating

>>727225446
>everything must be dark souls
WTF is your problem?

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>>727215791
That health bloat.

>>727215791
>2 minutes in
>Only half of the health bar emptied
Wtf

>>727220417
>i don't actually like how enemies spawn in boss fights
Doesn't it mean that you can just kill a couple of them and obliterate the boss with max charge UT? I'm playing it for the first time, so I don't know how it works in practice.

>>727215689
I mostly play Ninja Gaiden 3RE these days and unfortunately a lot of the greater accomplishments in that game involve me looking like a god damn moron 90% of the time until I get a good attempt at something and then I look like I know what I'm doing. But I have the statistics to show off in any case. I think there are only a handful of people on earth who can really dominate in that game and actually style on the enemies, as opposed to just scrape by.

>>727256349
>is the bow in NG2 really bad
Yes.

>>727215791
Mork hates rival fights.

>>727254335
>>727255347
Is there anything this retard does know about? I saw a video from him talking about DoA at one point and it was so full of completely wrong info that it made me instantly assume he's some kind of youtube essay grifter who pretends to know what he's talking about to appeal to low IQ youtube monkeys who haven't actually played any of the genres he pretends to be knowledgable on

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>>727257129
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

Games I haven't played that mayb ok:

God Hand
Onimusha
Shinobi (PS2) (Haven't played the others either but they might have horror stuff)

Played Way of the Samurai 3. It was kinda ok, but not clear on what to do. Good in a way that. Exloring. Just seemed cut off from progression. And combat not simple to figure out. Still fluked getting a good sword going through everyone in an arena, spectators included.

>>727257612
He genuinely did know about shmups, but over time he thought he was an action game expert for some reason
>>727257747
>kino
>skip
>kino

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Ninja Gaiden 4 freezes my whole fucking PC within seconds

There's a game, don't know if i'll spoil it by saying it. Like can't play it myself agter.

Haven't played it. Want to. Wanted to. Had the pixelation O prefer. Made PS2 look good.

Genki

I think.

G something ending with an i.

Looked really good. That is what you want. Somewhere good to go through. The reward for going on somewhere beautiful to see.

Maybe like ensuring it. Believing in it. What's attacking and occupying it slain. It beautiful. Staying beautiful. Not them.

>>727257889
Stop typing like an obnoxious retard

>>727256938
Nigga plays in on die difficulty. Every enemy gets a health boost on Hard+ difficulty

>>727258034
See more than your own COWARDICE amd treason when you look at something.

Be right for others to have faith in you.

>>727246270
I liked them a lot. Just wish there were more. The ones that have restrictions on your meter gain were really fun.

>>727256349
>Is it just or is the bow in NG2 really bad compared to NG1?
No due to the fact that there is nothing like the helicopter or tank boss fight in 2. The bosses where using the bow is mandatory can either be skipped with two black hole ninpos, or you don't have to aim because ryu's auto aim is even more generous than the first game
>AFAIK you can't dodge out of aiming and it basically deals no damage when uncharged.
There is never a reason to use it outside of on land charged technique in a few fights. This is like complaining that the windmill shuriken is clunky to use.
>There are lots of moments where millions of guys shoot at you with rockets from 10 km away and shooting them with the bow is infiurating
There is never a reason to do so because dodging rocket launcher enemies is trivial. And if you are that terrible at it, there is ninpo.

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>the shitcube controller didn’t have enough buttons to support its own character action game
Did cubies play i-ninja?

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>>727258653
I played N Ninja

>>727258653
Viewtiful Joe
>character action
it is called the AGITATEDFAGGOTS genre

>>727257747
Play all three.

>>727214387
spinslop

>>727258653
I fucking loved I-Ninja, shit was so cash

>>727257612
>low IQ youtube monkeys who haven't actually played any of the genres he pretends to be knowledgable on
who even watches game mechanics videos about games they didn't play?

>>727260030
>who even watches game retrospective videos about games they didn't play?
Shit is a plague.

>>727256938
The health bar there is a trick, that fight ends when he's at half health

>>727256938
>>727258049
He's also doing a challenge where you deliverately play the entire game without using your God Hand ("Rage meter", makes you invincible and faster for a short time) or Rouletter Wheel (single-use extremely high damage moves). It's essentially a challenge run where you can't use any "fuck you, I win" cards and have to actually play the game.

>>727261109
Why are zoomers so weird about using mechanics? They have this insane amount of weird "honour" rules in their scrub minds, it's just absurd
If it's a mechanic, use it

>>727261186
Anon that's not an honor thing it's an in-game challenge
That kick me sign on his back is put on there in stage 1-2 and flies off when you use god hand or roulette
There are in-game rewards for beating the game with it on.

Also, again, that health bar is a fakeout. That fight ends at the 50% mark.

>>727261186
>Why are zoomers so weird about using mechanics?
challenge runs are not a zoomer thing, are you retarded?
>If it's a mechanic, use it
"no exp" is a mechanic you can use in kingdom hearts to do lvl 1 runs, should you use it just because it exists? what about games that have nonlethal mechanics and reward your playstyle based on whether you go lethal or nonlethal, how do you decide which mechanic to use?

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Besides being a legitimate in-game challenge, kick-me sign runs are fun

>>727261186
Beating the game with the kick me sign on (not using god hand or god roulette) unlocks more music to play in the in-game jukebox.

>>727261186
Aside from the very valid answers that the other anons gave, maybe the webm guy just wants to not use "skip this enemy" mechanics because he enjoys the actual gameplay?

>>727261109
>"fuck you, I win"
>>727261917
>"skip this enemy" mechanics
What an asinine observation. It's the equivalent of arguing Devil Trigger is a "win" button because it gives Dante superarmor and lets you unga bunga.

>>727261714
How tf do I gitgud at God Hand? even easy mode kick my ass

>>727262082
>Flow chart the game
It's easy.

>>727262078
God Hand literally makes you invincible, and Roulette Card moves are powerful enough to delete single enemies. They are as close as you can possibly get to a "skip" button.

I suppose with God Hand it's an actual thing, but I saw a ton of it with Elden Rings release, people saying "you didn't beat the game" if you did this or that strategy
I see it in fighting games too, if you just spam fireballs because your opponent can't deal with them, then they get mad at you for not randomly varying up your strategies

>>727262082
Duck is your primary dodge, mashing up on the right stick avoids most moves in the game
Backflip has i-frames
Don't put moves that trip/launch/juggle in your square combo
Look up the context moves like the ducking sweep in the paper manual, they're very important

>>727256771
you only fight him for half of that in that scene

>it's a mork goes on about IGNs review of god hand AGAIN episode

>>727262583
This

>>727262078
Nah it's not the same. DT is an enhancement. God hand mode is full invincibility, sped up moves, and a damage mult.

>>727262428
>I see it in fighting games too, if you just spam fireballs because your opponent can't deal with them, then they get mad at you for not randomly varying up your strategies
That's a genuine skill issue imo. Whose fault is it when you get hit twice by the same attack?
Aside from that, I think its stupid to not use the advantages the game's give you.

>>727262664
Yes, and? If Super Mario Bros can balance the Invincibility Star, why can't God Hand do it?

YEAH IT'S LIKE ACTIVATING THE "GOD" HAND GIVES YOU THE POWER OF A GOD OR SOMETHING
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT I HATE YOU RETARDED FAGGOTS SO FUCKING MUCH

>>727257747
god hand was really fun, the moveset customization is very varied and still unique among these games, and it plays even better than the clips show. it's also funny as fuck
shinobi is a platformer disguised as an action game, still good and tight but keep that in mind. the final boss is really underrated

>>727241724
I guess infinite looping UTs isn't a flaw in the mind of a NGtard

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>>727262773
At this point you're just acting stupid on purpose

>>727262965
I'm just saying, the god hand is powerful, literally called the god hand, everyone wants to kill Gene for it, it's overpowering I must confess, and people ITT are seriously going "uh why is the GOD HAND so powerful durr hurr"
To reiterate I hate you fucking faggots

>>727255338
Get a controller with back buttons and never press the joysticks in any game ever again. Greatly recommend it. Not need for claw grip anymore either. My old hands were very thankful for DMC and Souls games. Not clawing means playing worse on purpose, but clawing is a pain in the ass.

>>727262617
You think he'll find the reviews calling ng2 the worse sequel in history?

>>727242821
You can send flyers down death pits with BB projectile attacks ezpz

>>727256964
That's exactly why they're there, yes. Or to deliver a quick heal without wasting items.

>Make a shit game on purpose and hope it bombs for shit and giggle
>It gets a cult following of nostalgic boomers and impressionable zoomers.
Shinji MiKAMI, I kneel.

>>727263150
Better than making two shitty games and pretending you're some epic genius like Shitagaki did

>>727263150
God Hand was a labor of love Mikami made on his own initiative with very little time or resources and he took its failure very personally

>>727262428
i think the point stands in whether that mechanic goes to the detriment of the game's enjoyment
summons (and god hand/roulette moves) can make the game more fun without really trivializing the game, while focus mode in monhun wilds is an unnecessarily busted addition to an already easy game
if you wish the devs focused kn doing somethjng else rather than that mechanic, it's failed its purpose

>god hand is a shit game on purpose because...uh.....

>>727263150
>Make a shit game on purpose and hope it bombs for shit and giggle
But enough about Bayonetta

>>727216816
Nothing, this is the most fake backlash I've ever seen. The sewers levels are sort of meh though, but besides that and Ryu's chapters being about as lame it's still a great ep for the series.

>>727216816
The lowest points are two shitty bosses. Otherwise it will get more and more fun.

>>727263150
Even the worst character action game is better than slop

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90 hours in NG4 so far.
It's actionkino. For me it's an A-tier action game, and if the DLC is REALLY really good then could get pushed into S-tier.

>>727264773
Favorite weapon?
Favorite boss?
Favorite stage?

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>>727264953
>Favorite weapon?
Dual Swords or DDB/Dragon Sword. The sword extend perch moves and uncharged BR attacks are so good and offset and weapon switch offset combos into the DDB are crazy fun.
>Favorite boss?
Dark Dragon Phantom or Ryu
>Favorite stage?
Chapter 12: Dragon's Maw

>>727216816
The mountan levels are pretty ass aside from one neat bit of level interaction there and no where else. The bosses are varying degrees of big thing that needs a smacking some bad, most mid, and one or two good ones. Also the weapon unlocks kinda blue ball the player if you ask me. Some of the tools seemed like they would've been more helpful on earlier levels.

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maybe it's a bad ng game, maybe it's a middling action game, but the sheer fact we have something like ninja gaiden 4 in this day and age amidst an endless deluge of sanitized, astroturfed middling bullshit games is absolutely deserving of praise. same deal as hi fi rush and stranger of paradise in their respective years, games that aren't afraid of being bombastic action experiences first and foremost
it gives me hope for gaming. even just a little bit

>>727264773
70 hours in, and same.
I just wish we had literally anything else over the sewer levels (and it's a good set levels, I just have blue monsters fatigue.)

How do I beat the first boss in DMC 3

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>>727266075
>Hope for gaming
>Hi-Fi rush studio closed
>NG4 bombed
>Every team Ninja game is now unoptimized to the point they're potentially literally unplayable on some configs