Honest thoughts on the Fate series?
>>727569726Dogshit
My thoughts are there have been too many threads of it lately.
archer is cool as fuck. true assassin is cool as fuck. that is all.
>>727569726Makes dozens of groups seethe just by existing
>>727569726really boring, i sat through all of it for this guy i wanted to fuck
Not videogames>>>/jp/
complete and utter squandered potential. TM can't get games out and barely makes multi media.
>>727569726Kino
>>727569726I really like the dynamic of being paired up with an OP protector. Any games that feature this setup?
>>727570370Bump
FSN and FHA are kino, my King is too perfect, seriously saber is best girl, I could go on about Artoria forever.the gacha's for cucks
>>727570098Is there anything coming out from it? I also have been seeing more Fate threads lately than I have in a good while, so I wonder if they announced something or what.
>>727569726>IlyaBlud thinks she's part of the team.
Grand SaberKino or slop?
>>727569726The Extraverse is garbage.
Homoerotic propaganda
Fun Diablo clones
>>727577636She deserves it. Giving it to Musashit was a mistake.
>>727577636Slop, but it could have been good. The heels and short skirt ruin it. And I still don't know what it's actually supposed to be and how it is or isn't just another saberface.
>>727577683>fanart
>>727569726It's shit.
>>727569726Reading through FSN was exhausting. I'd been half-spoiled on a fair amount of things beforehand, so I lacked a good amount of the surprise factor it could've been banking on. It was still good, but I ended up having a better time reading some of the side manga or anime, even if in many cases FSN is technically better written.
>>727569726I like Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Hollow AtaraxiaI hate the Fate series
Fate will always be a top franchise for me, and while I hate a lot of things about F/GO, it did give us some really good designs and a few good stories mixed in.
>>727569726FSN is trash.
we should've got shinji face servants
>>727569726illya
she cute
>>727580018I tried watching Apocrypha when it came out, but dropped it because it was insufferable. Then last week I decided to finally go back and give it a chance because I was curious about how they handled Mordred. In the end, Mordred and Sisigou are the only good part of that shitshow and the rest is self insert tier filler. It's a shame that such a good pair of characters were wasted on a spin-off like that. Sisigou and Mordred should have been the main characters of a proper free for all 7 servant HGW story. They just didn't get enough screen time for how good they were. It felt like they got shafted hardI also rewatched El Melloi II (which I dropped back when it came out after the mall arc) and it is so much worse than I remember. It's just Waver moping about Iskandar every episode while annoying characters run around acting retarded in order to make Waver look smart for figuring out the solution. It would be so much better if El Melloi II acted more like a proper magus like how he is depicted in every other spin-off other than his own. He was even more interesting in the few scenes he was in Apocrypha.Fate is one of those franchises that is a pile of shit with a few nuggets of gold.
Shiki...
>>727569726Kinda boring and does way too much if you go beyond SN/HA
>>727580513>Fate is one of those franchises that is a pile of shit with a few nuggets of gold.What are the nuggets of gold?
>>727580943Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Hollow Ataraxia are the only 100% good parts of the Fate franchise. Everything else is either straight bad or a mixed bag. Unlimited Code was a fun fighting game adaptation of Stay Night. Zero was only good for the Gilgamesh vs Iskandar fight and Kirei vs Kiritsugu. EXTRA was a good rpg with an interesting story, but there was a bit too much Stay Night nostalgiawank with Archer and Rin (even though it isn't the same Rin). CCC took the nostalgiawank to an even higher level with the Sakura trio of villains and now Gilgamesh as an additional servant (though his depiction here was better than his Zero depiction). Extella and Extella link are both bland musou games with fanfiction tier writing. El Melloi II has an interesting concept being an exploration of the Nasuverse (including parts that have been long since forgotten by most writers, even Nasu himself) from the perspective of a top magus, written like a detective story. Unfortunately El Melloi II fumbles the execution by having the protagonist act like an insecure teenager hung up on an event that happened 10 years ago. Prisma Ilya presents as a generic magical girl story until the Miyu arc which is the only good part due to its focus on the miyuverse Shiro (though this arc is only interesting due to it being a retreading of Heaven's Feel). Grand Order is a dumping ground for all of Nasu's unused ideas which may sound interesting, but the format of an episodic gacha focused on the holy grail and throne of heroes aspect of the Nasuverse limits it and forces all of the interesting ideas to be warped around this concept.
>>727577761I loved all of the critters you could turn your pet into. The new version Reawakened just seems inferior.
>>727577856
>>727582090>Gilgamesh vs Iskandar fightThis wasn't particularly good or interesting at all. Iskandar just instantly jobbed
>make some of the coolest vampires in fiction>proceed to arbitrarily draw a line so that it is impossible for all these cool vampires to appear in over half of the franchiseWhy did Nasu do this? He clearly knows how cool all the Tsukihime characters are since he keeps bringing in Tsukihime universe characters into the Fate universe. The only problem is that he keeps nerfing them and making them infinitely more lame.
>>727583225The talking and buildup leading to a fight is an important part.
>>727569726It's basically a AMWF propaganda
>>727583363Apparently the DAA exist, just not as a group. Like in Case Files, one of them shows up and mentions that in another universe they were members of a group like that.>>727583472I don't disagree with that as such, but when the fight itself was exceptionally uninteresting, it feels odd to list it as a highlight. As much as people don't like it, the banquet scene was better as an Iskandar vs Gilgamesh
>>727583675The banquet scene was ruined by Saber being there
>>727583707Apparently in everything except the anime, Saber didn't come off as quite so pathetic near the end.
>>727583675The vampire forest appears in El Melloi II, but I don't remember any other DAAs appearing. Also Nasu said that Dead Apostles exist, but DAAs don't exist because they are weaker in Fate worlds. This is also why Fabro Rowan does not become Nrvnqsr Chaos in the Fate worlds. Instead, most of the DAA are just generic immortals with no explanation for how they attained said immortality without becoming Dead Apostles. It's very lame
I did see Wallachia on the cover of the newest volume of the El Melloi II novel, but I doubt he is going to be a Dead Apostle based on the pattern already set with Zelretch and Nrvnqsr Chaos
>>727570098What else do you wanna discuss? The stupid VGA monument? Shitty AAA game dev gossip? Expedition 33 for the millionth time? 15 gacha threads? Normalfags are shitting up the board and Fate is old 4chan culture at least.
>>727577683>Media with tons of focus on the girls.>The guys are the best characters.A tale as old as time.
>>727583898I was talking about Zepia Eltnam Atlasia. Pic related has him mentioning Blackmore, someone who exists as a DAA in Tsukihime, but just as an individual DA in Fate.
>>727583898in fate timeline DAA as an organization does not exist, and some of the DAA that exist in tsukihime timeline dont exist, but most of them do in some form. the easiest way to explain it is that the source of the first magic in one timeline is [fairy tales] and the other source of the first magic is [horror stories], and the skillset of the beings who use this magic is angled according to that.
>>727584416Mahoyo occurs in both the Tsukihime worlds and Fate worlds though. So wouldn't the first magic be the same?
Speaking of Vampires, in the TsukiRe, there's a whole ranking system. I - IX, I think, with IX being the greatest. Apparently one can't exceed the ranking of the vampire that turned them, or something like that? There's mention of Roa being Rank VI, and since he's the one that turns Satsuki, she should cap out at VI, right? But from my understanding, there's implications that she could become a DAA, which seem to be around rank VIII. I feel like a lot of her lore is interspersed between spinoffs, and I'm not entirely sure if that previous implication is even relevant to the Remake timeline. Is there some way we know of that could allow her to go above her Rank cap?
>>727583363OG Tsukihime risks the whole stablished feats introduced in FSN. So for Fate to become the main continuity, since its popularity exploded after the original release they had to rebalance OG Tsukihime somehow. Notice how this never happened to Kara no Kyokai because the movies were actually well liked?. Tsukihime's anime was a bad adaptation only living throught the legacy of a niche fighting game since then. Why keep that lore if they could make it "better" with hopes of eventually making a revival? They even made a worse fighting game that got hijacked by fate, too. None of the soul from the original Melty Blood release.
>>727584940Based and true
>>727569726I fapped to a few doujins and read on /a/ that author likes molusks.9/10 games.
It is pretty retarded that remake Shiki just stabs the ground which somehow cuts the lines on Roa's legs. The mystic eyes of death perception were already OP and able to kill concepts, but killing things by cutting an unrelated line on a separate entity just sounds absurd and pure wankery
>>727584878There's no implication that she could become a DAA, the statement is that her reality marble in the original continuity is so powerful it would rank her in a comparable position as one because she also has mystic eyes. But you're also using a flawed logic, in the original timeline she wasn't a sired Vampire. She possesed a rare trait, or affinity, that let her instantly skip steps into the so called vampire evolution and conveniently become a Dead Apostle on the spot. She was always independent.
>>727577565Judging by JP Twitter we might have a new form of Saber classico.
Fate/Zero is cool as fuck.
>>727585475I wasn’t really too sure of all the details, so I was trying to get the story straight for myself, appreciate the info.
>>727585236The author > gay opinions
>>727569726Needs more sex
>>727585668It's alright. It is a detail that might become relevant again when her route is made. He's no mage and her skills fall under the umbrella of Psychic abilities. They basically superpowers. Her superpower happened to have the capacity to let her become a proper Vampire without taking into consideration the regular ways. This can be repurposed into the new structure of the Remake to let her evolve faster from Dead Apostle to the superior tiers without needing the input of superior ranks making her an anomaly among DAs. This raises the stakes and we could have a case of her Reaching Sucessor or Ancestor by the end of her line placing her well into the superior rankings of power for the continuity. Regular True Ancestors can't do shit to Sucessor or superior Vampires.
>>727569726I have never seen fate but saber is king Arthur right? Did they ever make her see what her country has become? It's a missed opportunity to have the heroic spirits react to their homeland and kingdom in modern times.
>>727569726The exposition early into the fate route drags on longer than i though was necessary. HF needed some minor rewrites (the doll is way too convenient). It sucks that the Illya route was cut for time.
>>727569726Fate is the greatest visual novel of all time and it still hasn't been surpassed Higurashi is Troon shit written by an sjw hackSteins gate is shit with shit sequels
>>727586672>Higurashi is Troon shitReally is this how low the VN community has fallen?
>>727577590She's a girl with Affection points
>>727569726Another series ruined by gachashit and the headwriter thinking the MCU was the coolest thing of all time
>>727586636I don't think so, but iirc Rin and Shirou go to England and visit her grave or something.
>>727587346meant 4 >>727586027
>>727587346The England trip is anime only content.
>>727569726Watched Zero, thought it was coolTried to watch Stay Night, immediately withdrew my opinion
>>727587498>Watched ZeroYou spoiled yourself on almost every plot point and twist in the VN.
>>727569726A franchise that decided to kill any sort of potential it had for cheap gacha money.Gonna play the Extra Remake when it's out and then be done with it honestly.
>>727587498Kill all zerobabsYou're a retarded nigger
>>727587498also.
Many years ago an anon made a thread with a download link to FSN VN. I thought what the hell and got it. Much later I read the first two endings of it, and it was so perfect that I decided to end it there and never touch the series again. 10/10 would not touch again
>>727584278Nice crotch shot
>>727569726"Capeshit is it Japanese" is my main takeaway: hot chicks (at least before the modern era with American comics) but a boring convoluted mess of a story I don't want to bother with. I will say at least the writer for the Fate series is just bad at writing rather than bad at writing, hates the material and hates his fans like modern MCU writers. I'd rather have old fashioned incompetence rather than malicious incompetence
>>727588375UBW true ending or sunny days (ffm ending)?
>>727588505I've no idea. I thought there was only one route besides the dead ends. But it was very satisfying and I felt like all the major plot lines came to their natural conclusion.
Best finale?
>>727570274Where the fuck does all that FGO money go? Because it certainly isn't going back into the game or expanding the Fate IP.
>>727588702>I felt like all the major plot lines came to their natural conclusionYeah, except for Sakura...
>>727588758I feel like it can’t be Fate route because both Kotomine and Gilgamesh felt like nothing villains. Though admittedly I was a big fan of Shirou projecting Avalon
>>727588913>Kotomine and Gilgamesh felt like nothing villainsThey were at their best in Fate route.
I like Rin
>>727569726Entry level slop
>>727588758HF because it competes Kirei's character arc.
>>727589012You like anus
>>727569726rin's defensless anus is really cute and i want to fuck rin, otherwise very boring franchise that peaked years ago and has been ruined by fgotards who kept coping that it's got a good story and is worth wasting time on for 10 years
>>727588863I've nothign against her but she felt like a side character in those two routes. I did debate going for the third route but with (as far as I can tell) every mystery relating to the protagonist and the holy grail war already having been concluded, I felt like it would be a pretty shallow experience comparatively.
>>727589091>Kirei's character arc.what was his arc again?
>>727589012>no lickingOn the face? Like something a hentai protag would do?
>>727569726I thought it would be like the show Friends but with fighting and in anime form. But it was more like Dharma and Greg...in anime form.
>>727589210he choose to fully embraces his sociopathy & desire to destroy the world and tries to protect Angra Mainyu form being killed. He's somewhat mirrors HF Shirou in that they both are trying protect a monster.
>>727589537how does that differ from fate or ubw?
Is Mahoyo worth reading?
>>727569726according to AI the anime with most NTR fanstuff
>>727589613In fate and ubw his motives are more 2 dimensional it's that we don't fully know why he's wants this. The Claudia Hortensia flashback and his monologue to Gil makes thing a lot clearer.
Lancer vs BerserkerWho's winning this?
>>727589687It's decent but slowly paced. For me Aoko crosses the line from bitchy tsundere to manhating cunt but then mellows out a little bit by the end.
>>727569726Cuckshit
>>727588758Best finale is the true ending vs Kotomine right before Angra Manyu is born into the world.
>>727569726>Honest thoughts on the Fate series?I think it sucks.Probably the only cool scenes in the entire series is battles with berserker in them. Every single other character is a boring faggot.
>>727569775FPBP
can i play it raw if i'm at N3 level
>>727593646From what i have heard it uses some difficult Japanese at times.
>>727569726I saw UBW, it was alright, certainly better than most animes of the last 5 years at least, that said, too many asspulls by the end like Archer being alive or Shirou beating the dude that clowned Berseker in a 1v1.
>>727594507Any part of the ufotable anime/movies pale in comparison to their source material.
>>727594761Yeah i'm not reading chinese cartoons sorry
>>727595541Why are you here? Go to a /a/ thread if you wanna to talk about the anime.
>>727589091>movie ruins the scenedammitkirei loved his wife and despaired he wanted to kill her
>>727569726I like Fate/Extra.Don't care about the rest of the series.Fuck Fate/Grand Order.
>>727569726FSN is a fun rompNever played FAFZ is riddled with character inconsistencies that for all intents and purposes cannot carry over to FSNExtra's gameplay is dogshit so I couldn't play further than the third dungeon, didn't touch CCC for the same reasonNot a fan of Musou so I avoided ExtellaSamurai Remnant might as well be a Musou and it also has a horribly written Murderhobo which is like the easiest archetype to write so sasuga type moonFGO is an absolutely hilarious clusterfuck with one or two flashes in the pan but it makes money so nobody involved caresI mean holy fuck they brought back Solomon(actually Goetia(actually Lev Lainur(actually Flauros))) because he was too angry to die, I mean holy shit that's three layers of pretending because just letting him be Romani from Chaldeas was too obvious of a twist
>>727597914I find it interesting that a woman could find things about him to fall in love with. Its that love/hate duality thing.
I tried two games IIRC, hated both
>>727598518based and extra pilled
>>727598815Kirei wasn't always an unrepetant evil bastard. That only came after she died. Adhering to what's good and true even when you despise it is still noble. Goodness for the sake of goodness. Claudia's suicide unintentionally had the side-effect of breaking him when he was going to kill himself to right what he saw as a wrong before.
>>727569726>Netflix makes Achilles into a nigger.>Everyone is outraged.>Niponese turn European mythological/historical/folk figures into braindead sluts enamored with their micropenises.>Everyone claps.
>>727569726It mogs Steins;Gate as an entry level visual novel.
>>727601439I tried playing SG. I got bored about 3 1/2 hours in and then dropped it.
>>727601807I read it all but still don't really get the hype. It's absurd how much hate the Fate series gets in comparison.
Saber more like Jobber
>>727604410Everyone jobs to everyone, that's how Nasu does power levels.
>>727569726Love it. Love it to my core. Love pretty much every story, absolutely burning up to finally reach the end of Cosmos in the Lostbelt this month, gonna be very happy to see the Strange Fake anime start airing next month, god I have been edged for so long.Also I love Passionlip.
>>727589687That left foot looks QUALITY as fuck. Why did they ask Koyama to do this kind of art when they probably knew that he can't draw feet well?
>>727604896>power levelsthere's your fucking problem
Fate/Stay Night, Hollow Ataraxia, and Zero are the PEAK of the franchise.Prototype is a curious glimpse of what could have been, Strange Fake is decent, and Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files is okay. The rest? Utter garbage. They take the premise of the original work and butcher it with writing that's, in most cases, on par with fan fiction. They're not worth it at all.
>>727585939To be fair, "from the past" wasn't even true in fsn
>>727606340I like Prillya
>>727569726Extra is a good game.
Do Sakura and Archer ever interact? Even in any spin-off?
>>727585939I think people have completely forgotten that the "Holy Grail War" is entirely fake.In Fate and UBW they know something is wrong, and in HF this is revealed.That's why the "rules" are full of loopholes; as long as you follow the logic to complete the ritual, nothing else matters.
>>727606890I think there was some chibi game where you can pick a master and servant, and there are symbols when you lose or win, and it changes based on who’s paired with who, iirc.
>>727606594Get real ! No has ever watched Zegapain
>>727580864Red garden soon.
>>727609965Sacchin $40 DLC 3 hour playtime
>>727610319I'm so desperate i would take anything Sacchin related.
>>727569726>Honest thoughts on the Fate series?Medusa deserve more love and attention though!!
>>727606340>They take the premise of the original work and butcher it with writing that's, in most cases, on par with fan fiction.He says, calling Strange Fake "decent"I mean it is for the first few volumes but then it becomes overly indulgent memberberry wank that reads like actual fanfiction
Fate-adjacent, but it’s nice to be able to one-try most Arcade modes in Melty Blood after being pretty poor at them for my first dozen or so attempts.
>thoughtsSeiba a cuteRin a cuteSakura a shit
>>727580864It'll be shitShiki not being a killer will be a trash route.
>>727577821kind of like this?
>>727589012>licking was involved>splooges inside her anyway>gets a face full of her assIs the secret of the Tsun-lite that they just tell you not to do everything they want?
>>727612496No thoughts on Illya?
>>727614306My lawyer advises me against typing "Illya sexo" so I refrained.
>>727612496Based!
>>727569726seems appealing, but I don't have the attention span for VNs.
>>727612978Yes, that's actually great. A significant improvement. The black/white scheme looks a little odd when it's extended like that and simplified for the sake of the edit, but it still works.
>>727614606
>>727615380SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>727612876the prince of jipangu looks like THAT?!
>>727569726Neat. That said why haven't they given us a game where our main servant is a cute Lancer like Kagetora yet?
Ever since people pointed it out I can't unsee Saber's armor looking like kendo gear, aside from the ballgown.
>>727615380I'm about to make Sella VERY angry.
>>727569726Raikou a cute.
Was Leysritt actually retarded or was she simply not given the right means to express herself? Some think it's the former but she seems to understand irony and what people around her talk about in general so I feel like it's the latter instead.
>>727598518>>727600239Hated Fate/Extra, loved Caster.
>>727569726Honest thoughts: your entire generation is doomed. It's my generations fault. We weren't good parents. We tried not to do what our boomer parents did to us, but as a result fucked it all up. I'm sorry. This scene, enjoying this sort of media, is a direct result of arrested development and mental retardation. I'm sorry.
>>727615943According to cut content there was a h-scene with Illya's maids and shirou.
>>727589687mahoyo is amazing
>>727616087From what we know she was built to be a human sacrifice. She has some personality traits but i suspect there was some magic fuckery by old man-Acht to keep her docile.
>>727607259This was always an issue with how fate is perceived.Fags hyperfocus on the death game aspect and it's rules and the "grail" when that's completely secondary to the what fate actually is about.
>>727616451>this sort of mediaA drama about survivor's guilt, childhood trauma, shared ideals, and heroism?I'd say we're doing pretty good for ourselves compared to your generation's shoddy reading level.
>>727617002I don't get how people still fall for the HGW. When i first heard it being described in the Fate route my gut instinct was this is mostly bullshit created for the benefit an unknown actor and that the wish was a monkeys paw.
>>727617552Yeah it's basically a nigerian prince scam for magi.
>>727616026Mama
There is at least ONE legit instance of a Grail War in the entire series, no bullshit monkey's paw or whatever which is the one Marisbury fought.Dude asked to be rich and got rich.
>>727569726Don't really care about it outside porn. I only ever watched the mid 2010s anime remake of the original anime/VN.
Cu chulainn is seen as a joke character but he's extremely overpowered and gay bulge can kill anyone Including Isekai MCs
>>727616467I prefer the other cut content scene with you being Illya's toy
>>727618519His myth is a fun read.
I wish I had money to buy the VN. >>727618519Didn't he get screwed over by not being allowed to target masters ?
>>727616332Only place where you get the proper Tamamo Experience.
>>727619178It was actually Nasu nerfing the shit out of him cause outside of Hercules nobody could stop himGay bulge literally rewrites causality to be impossible to dodge and it's always a fatal attack no matter what cause the damage formula is>Max HP + the spear damageServants also don't fare much better Saber was barely holding on, the only weakness is servants that can keep going even without their hearts or Hercules
>>727619178>I wish I had money to buy the VN. best version is pirate exclusive
>>727621179You see you don't get Nasu's power system. Nasu gave Cu that giga overpowered gay bulge ability BECAUSE he made him a jobber in every other way. He has the instant kill reversing causality attack BECAUSE he has rank E luck.Heracles is allowed to exist in the setting at all BECAUSE he was summoned as his worst class with none of the traits the make him the overpowered hero he is.Saber is allowed the strongest defensive NP that makes her invulnerable to all damage and aggressively heals her wounds BECAUSE she doesn't get it for 99% of the story. She is called the strongest BECAUSE she has a shit master.This allows every single character to be hyped up as the best in some aspect, and also allows them all to lose and job to each other under VERY specific conditions that are always conveniently met. That's what makes it fun.
>>727621179>Gay bulge literally rewrites causality to be impossible to dodgeyou're taking Nasu at his word at the character's introduction, then getting upset at Nasu for revealing weaknesses of the ability later.It's still a spear. It has a spear's length. Archer said so himself, if you're outside the range, it's just a spear. It can't magically grow longer.
>>727621179Gae Bolg can be dodged with luck, it's in the game's encyclopedia. The go to strategy would be to attack masters with it because their stats would be below the weakest servant.This gets balanced out by Kirei not wanting to win.
>>727625354Better to just use assassins then cause at least they have presence concealment and can kill any masterAlso Assassin servants is a very tactical class where you can't just be a caveman and win, if hundred faces was the servant of Kiritsugu I bet they would fare way better
>>727624787Gae bolg is the same as Tsubame Gaeshi in the sense you can't allow them to use at all or you're fucked
>>727583151A nothingburger?
>>727625354It’s kinda funny that Kiritsugu Saber would lose to Kirei’s Lancer, since he ruins her luck
>>727625917No actually the spear thrust has an effective range. Of about 10 meters. Servants agile enough can use their instinct and get out of the range. Saber is a special case because her stats + her skills count-effect the fate altering curse to let her live. She was still wounded for weeks until he died.
fate zero was all right
>>727625917Saber dodges both Tsubame Gaeshi and Gae Bolg because they both have a RANGE you can get out of.
>>727626115Yeah it's not bad. It's extremely divisive because /Zero-only fags are the most insufferable casual normalfags who think cowboy bebop is the only good anime.
I re-read the fate route and finished it yesterday. Damn, it was good.
>>727626361Only because she has high instinct level, it warned her that if Kojiro used she would die so she had time to get outAverage servants would croak
>>727626361She got out of Lancer cause of her high level luck, Gae bolg curse is activated as soon as the name is chantedEmiya was the one who evaded cause he got out of range before Lancer activated
>>727626472>/zero only onessuch a thing exists?ha, how could it not. it's the only decent offering in the IP, so of course some people find the others beneath them.still, it's worth a laugh knowing that the troons who like FS/N and such are all seething. especially the gachaniggers are fuming i imagine
>>727626115I remember hearing at one point Urobuchi was too edgy on one of his suggested plot points around the Sakura arc in the LN that Nasu asked if he even had a heart.
>>727627010>>727587498ahem.
>>727627049Nasu should ask why he allows Sakurai to write such shitty plotsI wanna know who dick that woman sucks to still be in the writing team
>>727569726It's far better than Steins;Gate and Muv Luv at least.
>>727627321Both of those VNs never reach FSN's highs while having shit for pacing.
>>727627010A LOT of people only watch Zero and call it the only good fateshit.We should probably lynch them publically.
>>727627321All i ever heard about Muv Luv it was popular for killing off loved characters in terrible ways.
>>727607259>nothing else mattersso close no matter how far...
>>727627321Steins gate is the best of those three by far.
>>727621179Gay bulge really isn’t that strong on paper in fate and its performance is even worse.
>>727627897>time travel shitIt belongs in the waste bin.
>>727627684they're all right.even if you silence them, more will just come. you can't hide the truth.
>>727628153I never got the appeal of SG but I thought the time travel part was fine. The MC is the biggest problem with it because his personality is repulsive.
>>727627751I haven't read it either but it just seems like too much of a commitment.
>>727569726It's pretty good.
>>727627049the anime adaptation had Rin save all the kidnapped kids in Caster's basement. In the LN not only is Rin stopped midway and saved by the dude lusting after her mom, the kids were never found again and the details in which people were tortured and otherwise were too crude. Even the manga with sakura rape dungeon spreads pales in comparison.
>>727628153the irony is lost here
>>727628435>the time travel part was fineit's really not but that's a whole other discussion. S;G isn't immune to plot convenience and asspulls.
>>727629006>the dude lusting after her momReally shit character to be honest
>>727577590>BludWtf is blud
>>727627897*worst
>>727629657You are suppose to feel sorry for Kariya. Instead you laugh at the things that happen to him.
I'm a bit confused. For Fate/Stay Night timeline there's Fate/Zero (non-canon prequel) and Fate/Hollow Ataraxia (bonus content/preudo-sequel) and... nothing else? Any media in this timeline? Everything else Fate-related seems to be all other timelines.
>>727629150Shirou being Redman is single handedly a cooler time travel thing than anything that happened in Steins;Gate.
>>727630290Yep
>>727569726It's porn. Just by virtue of the first entry including h-scenes so the game would sell, they sold whatever integrity they had off as a result in turn. It's impossible to take seriously and even more serious adaptions like Fate/Zero can't escape shit like tentacle monster rape pits they wrote into the setting as this huge important thing. The fact Fate/Go ISN'T porn despite the designs being /e/ is because the creators are ashamed of the series' roots they refuse to simply embrace.
>>727630056Anti anime fanservice negro talk.
>>727630290SHIROU IS THE REDMAN?!NO WAY
>>727630443kindly fuck off back to /pol/.
>>727630443Grokshit = brown
>>727629657Is him? she was her sweetheart and he was NTRd by the whole magic system, his real demise is him thinking she wasn't fine with any of this lol, truly a pointless sacrifice.
>>727630443Ah yes the porn that forces you to read for twenty hours before getting to see the first h-scene.
>>727630290To be honest that was the level of time travel plot I was hoping SG would have, but it never got that crazy or interesting.
>>727569726I finished all three routes a couple of weeks ago and:>Ilya should have had her own route>rin a best, in all three routes>Sakura a shit>seiba is oke>Zouken is an interesting villian>it wasn't explained why Medea's master was so fucking strong, despite being humanI think those were my points.
The Kiritsugu from Zero would be on an interpol watch list, he'd get arrested at the airport or something.
>>727631050>>Sakura a shitI like you.
>>727630290>Shirou being Redman is single handedly a cooler time travel thing than anything that happened in Steins;GateUhhhh, where was the time travel in DMW again?
>>727630261There's "Today's Menu for the Emiya Family", but I'm not sure if it's on the same timeline as FSN. Anyone knows?
>>727631050Does Illya gets a H-scene or Nu-scene at least?
>>727569726Chuunibat that got popular by the virtue of being one of the first translated VNs. Fate/Zero is kinda cool tho I guess
>>7276310941990's air travel wasn't hardened against terrorists.
>>727631442chuunibait*
>>727631215
>>727631525A Chuunibat would be a Excalibur level weapon.
>>727631050>it wasn't explained why Medea's master was so fucking strong, despite being humanit was. He's actually just a normal strenght human that was a former assassin that mastered a really purposefully complicated martial art that would throw off experts the first time they see it. On top of that Medea just puts a lot of layered buffs on him.
>>727631442it got popular because Type Moon's works were already popular to begin with.
>>727631731>that was a former assassinIt was said he murdered before and I knew about the Medea buffs, but I must have missed the assassin part. Thanks anon.
>>727631893He was kinda a one-off assassin. It's kinda weird, why train him for so long if you're gonna discard him after a single missions.
>>727631840Anime onlys have never heard of Kara no Kyoukai.
>>727632201Why Fate fan would care about some other franchize? "*verse" gimmick might have been novel at that time, but nowadays people see that it's just a marketing tactic.
>>727605991the game literally have stats for servants you fucking faggot
Is fucking FGO part 2 still not done?
>>727569726follow guide and ignore the spin-offs
>>727611834This is no longer the case, since this post I keep losing at least once, and my Chaos is an insane jobber
>>727633950lol nope. They're done the lost belts, which climaxed with ORT.
>>727634385IS THAT MOTHER FUCKING ORT?
>>727633950It's supposed to end this month
>>727634472Yeah and it's strongest power is killing your framerate for one of its phases
>>727584602Certain elements are identical between the two worlds. Most likely, the divergence point was probably the Crimson Moon's defeat 1700 years prior. In Tsukihime, the Crimson Moon's will appears to still linger, and the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostle Ancestors were born. In Fate, it seems there's no possibility whatsoever of the Crimson Moon's return. Blackmore basically killed himself in grief, Cath Palug never becomes Primate Murder, Zepia never becomes TATARI, Fabro Rowan never becomes Nrvnqsr Chaos, ORT is completely dormant with no signs of ever waking up, Roa never meets Arcueid and thus never completes his research. There's a number of other differences, but the status of vampires as a whole is greatly weakened in this continuity. Idea Bloods likely do not exist at all in this continuity.Apparently, Van Fem is only slightly different in personality in Fate compare to Tsukihime, but I'd imagine that due to lacking an Idea Blood, he's a lot weaker. You can think of Idea Bloods as basically EX-ranked Anti-World Noble Phantasms exclusive to Dead Apostles. Imagine if Gilgamesh didn't have Ea or any other EX-ranked Noble Phantasm in his vault. He'd be a lot weaker, right?The Aozaki sisters appear to be mostly unchanged. A lot of details more or less match between the two worlds, but the absence of the Twenty-Seven and the inability to summon Heroic Spirits as Servants will obviously create significant differences. There would never have been any Holy Grail Wars in Tsukihime, for instance.
>>727634472Yeah it was a massive battle where Ritsuka was summoning servants non-stop for like 24 hours and had to dope themselves up on military grade magic meth to get through it.
>>727577636>Gilgamesh's color scheme>Iskandar's capelol is she still salty about what happened in Zero?
>>7275776361000% slop, it represents modern Type-Moon perfectly
>>727569726Nasu destroyed the story towards the end.F/SN always had the 'rule of cool' plot contrivancies, but the Rin vs Dark Sakura fight was the biggest bullshit I have ever seen in fiction, right next to the final chapters of AoT and the black Zetsu/Kaguya plottwist in Shippuuden.
>>727635106What was bullshit about it?
>>727635106Yeah, it does kinda bother me how Rin is always the harbinger of asspulls in this VN.>Fate: Here's this magic knife that I never once alluded to. Use it to kill Kotomine.>Heaven's Feel: Actually, there's a magic rock wand that Zelretch used. You should totally look into Ilya's memories of her predecessor and recreate it using projection.With Azoth, there should have at least been a scene earlier in the route where Shirou sees Rin taking it out of her bag while moving in or something. Just establish that it exists.
>>727635502Why wouldn't you assume a magician has tricks up her sleeve ?
>>727635502Using rule breaker in HF is pretty fucking random even assuming some sort of latent knowledge leak from archer’s arm it’s a weird conclusion to make that it would work on Sakura
>>727636256Its function is completely identical to how it was used on Saber. The primary purpose is the severing of contracts. UBW establishes that it can be used to sever the contract between a Master and Servant.The reason it worked on Sakura was because, at its core, that's what her relationship with Avenger was. At max, Sakura actually had functional contracts with four Servants: Rider, Saber, Berserker and Avenger. Avenger was an abnormal Servant that didn't materialize externally, but rather inside Sakura. By using Rule Breaker on Sakura, it severed her contract with Avenger, thus cleansing her of its influence. Kotomine even outright stated earlier in the route that Avenger is, in fact, a Servant, even in the context of the Fifth War.
>>727569726No illyia routedogshit/good vn
>>727636624Ok and how could Shirou know this
>>727636829He read the script and saw what it did in the other routes
>>727636829Because he understands the functions of swords the moment he sees them. He actually saw Rule Breaker earlier on in the route and gained a subconscious understanding of it then and there. With weapons drawn from Archer's arm, he has to search through its archives to figure out what can be used, but as long as he's personally seen a weapon, he'll at least vaguely understand that it's a tool in his back pocket that he can bring out at any time.
>>727636624Anon's point is that there's really no way Shirou would know this since he doesn't get memories of each route and in HF both Archer and Caster are dead so no one could've possibly explained it to him either.
>>727617823What bullshit it must have been to be one of his opponents, like imagine you summoned a Saber or Archer, expect you got this in the bag since those classes are always good, and you go to fight this dude who has Caster and turns out the fucker summoned the dude who INVENTED magecraft.
>>727636980By that logic he should've understood how Excalibur worked and realized half of it was fucking inside of him.
>>727635106By then you've spent 20+ hours reading increasingly worse and worse outcomes as all three routes only gets darker and darker.The Rin jewel sword asspull is an asspull, but narratively it isn't a bothering one. It's kinda like a last light in the darkness kind of thing, you need to remember that HF is several times more desperate than UBW, which is several times more desperate than Fate. By then you're welcoming any kind of asspull, in the sense that you can't quite see how Sakura would be defeated without one right now.It doesn't come from nothing, narratively. Rin says she has a plan, Shirou trusts her, Rin indeed as a plan, the plan sure comes from her ass, but that's not where the focus should be.>>727635502>AzothAzoth is pretty weird, agreed. But also is such a footnote in the story that pretty much everyone forgot its existence twenty minutes after its introduction.
>>727636980Nine lives a bow technique. How could he could do it with essentially a piece of rock. Berserker Herc was summon with nothing he used in life. The axe sword thing was a piece of a temple and the catalyst to summon him with.
>>727636980This begs the age old question of how come redman doesn’t spam rule breakers, he should just glue it to his hrunting caladbolg arrows
>>727637639F/SN really falls apart once you examine it with any level of scrutiny.>Why didn't Archer just sit halfway across town and spam BPs with rule breaker attached to them?>Why didn't Gil just use Ea or spam GoB every fight?>Why didn't Lancer just spam gay bulge every fight?And the answer literally, I kid you not, always comes back to>Because they were holding back for [reasons]
>>727637639FGO actually answers this question: Rule Breaker can't handle it. It would just snap off and wouldn't be able to handle the strain. Its shape is ill-suited to be used as an arrowhead and fusing it onto Gae Bolg still produces inferior results. Any attempts to use Rule Breaker as a proper weapon is more or less destined to end in failure. In combat, its only real practical application is to find an opening and stab directly.
>>727638059>It would just snap off and wouldn't be able to handle the strain. Its shape is ill-suited to be used as an arrowhead and fusing it onto Gae Bolg still produces inferior results.The fact that Nasu had to actually retcon an answer to this plot hole 20 years later is fucking hilarious.
>>727637823>gilHe’s retarded >lancerHe was nerfed by multiple command spells>archerI believe the explanation is actually “mana” but this is extremely funny considering he’s the most bullshit example of not running out of mana muh independent action Nasu actually just fucked up and made archer/Shirou insanely overpowered. “Copying” is generally a final boss tier technique for a reason. It’d be one thing if he could merely copy weapons, but he can copy techniques, and also modify them both and make his own OC shit. Like using hrunting’s homing capabilities as an arrow. Realistically speaking there is NOTHING preventing redman from using Nine Lives with homing gae bolg arrows (which the causality shit is a technique by the way). Hell just use triple linked crane wings with rule breakers glued on to K&B
>>727638204I mean Fate/stay night even states that it's not very practical for use as a weapon. It's flimsy and easily broken so it needs to be handled with extreme care and precision. Slapping it on Caladbolg and firing it at 5,000 kph would just destroy it.
>>727638059>Its shape is ill-suited to be used as an arrowheadArcher can modify an NP’s shape. He literally does this with Caladbolg and Hrunting. Shirou too remember it’s not just tracing it’s reinforcement and refinement
>>727638298>I believe the explanation is actually “mana”Dude literally survived for 2 days by himself without a master and having been impaled by like 30 swords and had enough energy to snipe Gil in the head.
>>727638350>Slapping it on Caladbolg and firing it at 5,000 kph would just destroy it.Caladbolg itself is already modified to be used as an arrow. Archer can just do the same to rule breaker.
>>727638350A lot of AP warheads solve this problem you have an outer casing essentially protect the AP shell, basically a glass NP case around the rule breaker hell he could use perseus’s bag to hold it
>>727634651Human Order stronger=Gaia weaker meaning that isn't possible for Dead Apostles to even happen. Zouken being vampiric in nature and shit isn't even closely related to the concept despite falling into what one would be in Tsukihime universes. A non-burial agency dude like Kirei can easily exorsice him with holy rites, meanwhile it would take multiple legit executioners to take on Dead Apostles.
>>727588818Funding the next grail war. You didn't think this was a fictional story, right?
>>727638491Caladbolg is a sturdy and powerful A-rank Anti-Army sword that can destroy mountains. It's inherently capable of handling that kind of strain, he only needs to change its shape to make it more aerodynamic. Changing Rule Breaker's shape won't change its inherent flimsiness.>>727638540That's fucking pointless. Rule Breaker only works when it stabs the target. What good would encasing it in something do? The resulting explosion from Caladbolg would just destroy Rule Breaker as well. What you're suggesting is firing a glass javelin and encasing it in titanium in order to prevent the glass from shattering. What the hell is the point of the glass javelin then?
>>727638705No he also reinforced caladbolg so it could be used as a BP. There's no reason why he can't do the same for rule breaker, but I expect in another 10 years Nasu will be forced to say something like>Rule Breaker is different because it's too weak and can't be reinforced at all
>>727638705>Changing Rule Breaker's shape won't change its inherent flimsiness.He is literally capable of changing its structure. Even Shirou can fucking do this a tatami mat or piece of paper saved his fucking life against cu
>>727637823You'd get it if you re-read the VN.>Why didn't Archer just sit halfway across town and spam BPs with rule breaker attached to them?Aside from Rule Breaker, he does that in the fan disc and the fight against Berserker that happens off-screen
>>727638929His fight against Herc happens in that one room
So DAA don't exist in Fate timelines right, but True Ancestors do?Like I remember Consort Yu is straight up compared to a True Ancestor in LB3.
>>727638803>>727638797What you're talking about is Broken Phantasm, which is overloading a NP with energy, raising its rank and turning it into a single-use bomb. This method doesn't actually make NPs sturdier; in fact, it makes them even more brittle because they'll be destroyed upon use. Also, even if he could raise Rule Breaker's sturdiness (which is questionable since it's a knife that negates magecraft), it wouldn't raise it to the same rank as something like Gae Bolg or Hrunting. Reinforcing a pipe will make it much sturdier, but it'll still get destroyed by any decent Noble Phantasm. Since Rule Breaker is inherently flimsy, enhancing its sturdiness will still make it structurally inferior to any other combat-oriented Noble Phantasm. There's no reason to believe that enhancing its sturdiness will actually make it sturdy enough to endure that level of strain. A reinforced rolled up poster will never be tougher than a rod made of steel.
>>727639148Consort Yu is sort of a close cousin to True Ancestors, but she doesn't have any of the Crimson Moon's genes. In fact, she greatly predates the Crimson Moon's arrival on Earth so she has absolutely no connection to him at all.
>>727639153I’m not talking about BPs. Either is the other anon. You were talking about BPs erroneously and were corrected. Also who’s to say archer can’t use rule breaker shrapnel? There’s no reason it wouldn’t work. He can modify NPs and have their abilities take forms not even intended.
>>727639217I really got to get around to reading some of the other TM VNs.
>>727639332That's if it doesn't get disintegrated outright. In any case, it's all moot. FGO basically establishes that this method doesn't work. And there are some Noble Phantasms that completely lose all their mystics upon being broken, such as Gae Buidhe. If Rule Breaker's in that category, then it still wouldn't work.
>>727639153100% archer could do it. His origin is [Sword]
>>727639153>There's no reason to believe that enhancing its sturdiness will actually make it sturdy enough to endure that level of strain. A reinforced rolled up poster will never be tougher than a rod made of steel.There's no reason to believe otherwise either. Shirou's NPs were being destroyed against Archer's when in reality steel vs steel shouldn't break like that. It all depends on the level of reinforcement.
>>727639439>lose their mystics Good thing it’s not Rule Breaker. It’s Rule Breaker II. Archer is insanely bullshit anon.
>>727639589Even assuming it would break on usual contact he could just shoot homing syringes that inject rule breaker breaker
>>727635189A dagger with infinite mana pulled out of thin air (literally).Channelling the energy somehow doesn't burn Rin's circuits.The Shadow that killed the strongest Servants as if they were insects on the floor somehow struggles against a human.In front of the Great Holy Grail right as all evils of the world are about to be reincarnated, somehow, a brazilian soap opera catfight ensues>you were more popular with the boysAsspulls, contrivances, deus ex machina, character assassinations, every cardinal writing sin was committed for this fight to happen and you're asking what's bullshit about it?Anon, what wasn't bullshit about it?
>>727639592>Loses to Herakles>Loses to Cu Chulainn>Couldn't beat Gawain without having Rin/Rani shut off Numeral of the Saint for him>Failed to save his world from Sefar
>>727639772He doesn’t really lose to Herc considering he also beats Herc, shirou is the redman
Emiya has straight up no way of beating Achilles.
>>727588818The Animes.
>>727639752Rin's not channeling that level of magic through herself
