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Kris x Susie WILL be canon by Chapter 5
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>>727578867
If it happens, I will buy. Won't get my hopes up though. It will be the gay options or nothing more than hints until the end.
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I hope so.
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Toby writes anything that resembles a straight relationship as a trainwreck waiting to happen, so it's probably better if she doesn't pair off with Kris
Also I get the vibe his high school crush didn't return his feelings and was gay, I'm just not sure what else the motive is for a 30 something adult male to write about teenaged lesbians besides that
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why are there 10 niggerrune threads up
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>>727579856
Where are the othe nine?
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>>727581348
NEO /v/ fags are literally women and complain over nothing lmao
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>>727579118
I have femkris fatigue
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>>727579118
>lez out
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>>727582973
Yes, lez out!
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>>727582973
so it seems, so it seems
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Kris is sexy as a boy and a girl.
Only real niggers know this fact.
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>>727578867
Did you bet any money on that?
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Susie vs Kris or Susie vs Dess?
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I have no idea how Dess will be portrayed...I feels like all the fan art will be wrong, very different design too
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Krusie is going to be the nick x judy of video games. no matter how much people scream for it to happen the characters will just be stuck in friendship limbo as the creators are too dense to consider it
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>>727582343
I can only see Frisk and Chara as girls but I don't mind FemKris too much.
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>>727582193
>NEO
AAAAAHHHH I AM GOING SCHIZO!!!!
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Krusie
>actual chemistry
>qt moments
>both relate to each other
>both are retarded in the fun way
>list goes on

Kriselle
>childhood friends
>qt moments
>both know how the other really is
>list goes on (but not as long as the Krusie list)

Suselle
>...?
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>>727592619
Suselle
>le heccin' valid lesbians!!1!
>toby's fetish
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>>727587106
Why does she dress like that? Is Kris an exhibitionist?
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>>727592619
>Kress
>Dess groomed Kris
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>>727592619
Krisoul
>I really want to rape Kris
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>>727592731
All humans are.
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>>727582343
Same. We've been going at it every night and she still isn't tired...
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>>727593556
Humans are FREAKS. That's why they're so determined.
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>>727578867
I want to hug and comfort Susie. I think she's so loyal and pure she doesn't even consider Noelle a valid love interest above Kris.
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>>727593706
No wonder Asriel agreed to Chara's plan. His hips would have been dust otherwise.
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>>727579592
He seems like he's going with Suselle as the new trainwreck that going to happen. There is nothing wholesome or soulbonding that happens with Suselle but always happens with Krusie.
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>>727591530
Nick and Judy will hook up in Zootopia 3. Susie and Kris will get their hand holding and blushing scene in chapter 7
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I will make sure susie and noelle don't get together even if i have to fuck her myself
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>>727592619
Kris is caring but mostly distant to Noelle. You can see that he really enjoys Susie, acting like a dork, blushing like a retard when giving her his knife, trying to impress her when you try to cockblock him claiming you don't want to play piano or you suck at playing not to mention Kris doesn't go out of his way to protect Noelle from Queen while he many times goes against YOU to protect Susie from Chaos King or Gerson statue. I say Krusie is the peak NickxJudy of Deltarune
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>>727593920
Kris and Susie abortion comic when?
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>>727594203
There will be no abortion. Togore will become canon
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>>727593827
God I wish I was him. At least Frisk is single.
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Kress is cooler and edgier than Krusie
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>>727594203
What do you think SPAWNs are?
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>>727594579
>every single spawn= 2 hour sex with Susie or Noelle
>every Titan is Kris alternate universe where he ends with Noelle or Susie and each of them produce massive amount of spawns
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>>727594380
Kress is just Krusie with /ss/. You go out of your way to make it less wholesome and more fetishistic for your perversy. You will ignore every bond with Susie just to replace her with his manipulative boss that fallen from grace and used to be his role model
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Daily reminder Dess RAPED Kris in the ice cold winter of 2005
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Daily reminder that Kris GROOMED Dezs.
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>>727594380
God I wish I were Kris.
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>>727594923
Thank god Susie isn't anime
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>>727595232
We need more generic anime Undertale. Is what Toby would want.
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Test. Is this thread auto-saging?
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>>727594946
I thought it was 2011.
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>>727596017
Toby's fever dream was a reindeer molesting him, which created Deltarune.
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>>727595094
>Shota corrupted big sister
Tale as old as time.
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>>727595094
>victim blamimg
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>>727595232
Toby wanted an anime, though. He just using Western personality types rather than Japanese version of what a tomboy is where its basically just anime girl with brown skin and small breasts who likes soccer
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>>727596424
>small breats
Usually Japanese tomboys have big ass boobs, though.
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>>727595094
t.
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Kriselle > Krusie
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Kris raped Dess
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femkris is cute but i am slightly too into effeminate human boy x big tough anthro girl to pass it up
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Reminder that Susie canonically loves Noelle. She only sees Kris as a friend
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>>727597072
In your playthrough, maybe
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>>727597131
Seriously why did kris do this shit. Noelle is his childhood friend
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>>727579592
Krusie and Kriselle have gotten off the hook for kris being “non-binary”. Pretty much the only definitively straight ships that have a decent chance of happening are fucking Ralsus and Dessriel
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>Dess
we don't like pedoe uncs in this thread...
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>>727597169
chara ((You)) made him do it
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>>727594923
>Kress is just Krusie with /ss/.
Not him but yeah, that's why it's better.
>You go out of your way to make it less wholesome and more fetishistic for your perversy.
Yeah, and that's a good thing.
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>>727597169
Kris canonically cares more about a chick he’s hanged out with for a day than his “oldest friend”
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don't forget.
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>>727596786
Based. Plus there's other human girls in this series.
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According to the leak Noelle is going to become a human as she realizes that humans and monsters shouldn't marry, and Kris will finally outgrow his they/them phase. Apparently chapter 7 will end with Ralsei attempting forcefully inject Kris with HRT but Susie uses her throw move to throw Ralsei into a noose and reveal that the "roaring" refers to Ralsei's -ACK! noises as there is a 20 minute unskippable cutscene of him slowly choking to death. Kris speaks for the first time in brief, fully voice acted cutscene (presumably by Toby Fox himself) saying: "kek, based", as a slowed and reverbed version of the battle theme called "Troon Buster" plays.
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>>727597169
Kris is a shit friend.
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>>727597169
>edgy chuuni asshole carrying knifes around like a psycho
>terrorizes Noelle since they became friends
>gets Dess killed and GASTERED
>promises to "fix" things
>steals someone else's soul and wears it like a skinwalker
>takes advantage of the fact the soul is "controlling" their actions but enjoys the "Noelle obeys anything I say" ride
>relaxes when the soul tries to mindbreak Noelle and rape her on a metaphysical level
What the fuck is wrong with this dude?
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>”toby is a susellefag”
>guys a bunch of Suselle moments
What did he mean by this?
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>>727598014
/k/bros….
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>>727598102
>rape victim repeats the cyle of rape
what did you expect?
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>>727598102
He's the type of person who, when he fucks up, tries to fix it by fucking up in a equally big manner somewhere else.
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>>727597839
Noelle literally watched him get bullied constantly and did nothing.
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>>727598232
he just like me fr
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>>727598242
>Did nothing
Oh no, she did plenty. Got off from it, and all that.
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>>727598014
Bravo, Tobert!
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>"Dess."
>"Kris."
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>>727597839
>noelle +400
it's krusover
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>>727598102
Humans in Underrune are just weird, fucked up creatures.
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>>727598708
>Kris ears taste like apple.
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>>727599340
Would you say yes?
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>>727599401
Yes.
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When is Chapter 5 releasing again?
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>>727599585
on the 25
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>>727599585
Latter half of 26.
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>>727599585
TOMORROW!
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>>727599585
eventually
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susie... save him...
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>>727578867
It's too bad Kris loves Noelle and Noelle loves Susie, this game will end in a way that makes everyone suffer
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>>727600562
>Noelle loves Susie
Incorrect
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>>727600779
I don't trust this guy.
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>>727600879
Of course, he's (one of) the knight(s).
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>>727597758
Oh shut up with that bullshit
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>>727596786
Susie is canonically bulky and chubby
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>>727601572
It's clear a joke, autist-kun.
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>>727597072
If you think she even cares 20% of how much she cares for Kris then you haven't play the game. Literally their only interaction in chapter 4 is there because she wanted to spy on her mom.
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>>727597323
Would Susie have bigger breasts than Noelle?
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I can't believe Berdly won the Krisbowl.
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I have been shown how much evidence there is for Susie being the new Asriel against my will.
what is with toby making her the new sibling for both k and n, while making them want to fuck her
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>>727598840
Berdly probaby has +400 over Noelle and Susie, does it mean it will happen?
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>>727600562
Entire games showcase Kris being very much in favor of Susie, possibly even before game starts based on Spamton's sweepstakes.
>>727594129
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>>727579118
Tranny die
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>>727601983
Toby has an incest fetish.
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>>727601983
unless Asriel is actually dead and Kris has somekind of schizo episode where he imagine that he's in college, then i don't think Susie supposed to represent his brother. Noelle pining for Susie as sister replacement to fuck her is more creepy. But Krusie is not because it's Kris pining over a younger Dess instead cucking his brother
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>>727601879
It's true!
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>>727602318
Susie reminds Tenna ad Gerson of Dess so that's what she represents
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>>727602371
Was Catti even on the Krisbowl in the first place? Wonder what would we learned about her if she traveled to dark world with Kris as intended originally.
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>>727602523
>as intended originally.
Source?
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>>727602638
someone in these threads claimed Catti was supposed to be part of dark world adventure
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>>727600562
>he doesn't know
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>>727602961
That's literally bullshit though.
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susie is ______
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>>727603362
a Mary Sue
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>>727603238
I am completely numb to the shipping shit, it's just another samsara of evangelion and tumblr shit but I am enraptured by the dichotomy of the objectively weakest part of the whole story (Susie x Noelle) running parallel to one of its most interesting parts (toxic Kris x Noelle).
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>>727592619
Ralsusie
>AMAZON
>PRESS
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>>727603440
Im going to marry this sue...
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How hard will Susie seethe over Kris choosing Dess over her?
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>>727603460
>Evangelion
Honestly, I feel Susie X Noelle is the only thing stopping DR shipping fron devolving into Dino Asuka vs Deer Rei.
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>*SLUUURRRPPPP*
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>>727603994
Vs Susie 2.0
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Sorry fags, but Krusie is fated to crash and burn. courtesy of Kris
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You are too old for Kris, Dess. Go back doing unc shit lol.
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>>727604028
don't forget homoerotic forbidden love between darkner Kaworu or incestual drunken MILF love from goat Misato. it's all the same arguments, played out over 30 years of sweet vs tsundure. I think Deltarune is closer to Umineko than Eva anyways
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>>727604356
That glare was Susie deciding to beat the shit out of Noelle to remove her rival for krisbowl
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>>727604028
Honestly it's weird how much classical shipwars Deltarune has vs Undertale where it was just womanslop, but I guess it's the consequence of it not being finished.
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>>727602191
He isn't based enough. DR will always be safeshit.
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>>727596701
sexoo
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>>727604782
He put a reference to incest-like in Undertale in Chara's check dialogue of the gay guards.
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>>727604747
I think that another large reason is because the structure of Deltarune means there's a lot more interaction between NPCs.
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>>727579118
>It's not cucking if you're watching your girl go at it with another girl
Why is this a universal exception? Other than that I like doing it.
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>>727605772
You are probably into threesomes or something like that.
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>Krusie
>Kriselle
>Suselle
>Kress

Your thoughts on the four ships? Reminder that Krusie, Kriselle and even Suselle fans fucking hate Kress.
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>>727589982
If Asriel is dating Chara then it would be funnier for them to meet femKris dating Ralsei.
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>>727604747
I mean Frisk didn't had serious candidates to ship with, majority of the cast are adults lewd art of fucking them is another thing other than monster kid lmao
Kris meanwhile has story with Susie and Noelle even without player input and the game does give a big focus on the relationship between these three
Thinking about it, the amount of shipping slop compared to UT is kinda big, at least it seems to be lore relevant
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>>727606081
Even without chara it is
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>>727606151
Undertale did have shippingslop, it was just womanslop using Frisk a self-insert to fuck either Sans or Papyrus. I wonder what caused the gender differences between games.
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>>727604028
>>727604028
Now I'm wondering why no one ever ships Asuka X Rei.
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>>727606058
>Krusie
kiss your bro but hot
>Kriselle
childhood friend kino, mostly sneedgrave route
>Suselle
slop but at least it's lore relevant
>Kress
typical /ss/ but i would be genuinely impressed if people outside from here talks about it
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>>727606058
>Krusie
two halves of a whole idiot is tried and true, romantic or not
>Kriselle
I really appreciate the 'classical' nature of it, whether its taken to its most 'evil' conclusions in canon or it being sweeter elsewhere. someone did some kickass storybook style illustrations a few months ago around them and it's on my mind frequently.
>Suselle
easily the weakest part of the main route of the game. if it was done better than Toby's barely disguised lesbian fetish, I'd probably be less disgusted by it.
>Kress
funny, but also disgusting.
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>>727606558
Anime fans aren't FAGGOTS.
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>>727607143
Kris would disagree
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>>727606058
>Suselle
Let me put it in a simple way - how popular do you think this ship would be if one of Susie or Noelle were male?
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by the end of chapter 5 I want my vessel back. either that or in chapter 6 and the last two chapters are long.
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>>727607143
Lol
Lmao even
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>>727607598
that'll be difficult, considering THE KNIGHT is using our Vessel as a suit of armor
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>>727604602
>30 years of sweet vs tsundure
But Rei isn't sweet, she's an emotionless robot.
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>>727607828
>The Vessel is the sexy Knight
Big if true
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>>727605969
Who isn't? I guess that's it, eventually you get tagged in. And can tag out when the browse 4chan urge hits.
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>>727607489
If Noelle were a boy, she'd be the most hated character Toby ever created
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>Kris wants to fuck this
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>>727607401
funniest Kris trait
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>>727607143
lel
jej
and
kek
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>>727607950
its more like the vessel as a darkner is a suit of armor which Dess's soul is using and morphing to exist outside of the depths
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>>727604028
Susie is Mari and Noelle is Hikari
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>>727606058
>Krusie
Pretty good
>Kriselle
Pretty good
>Suselle
Not interesting to be honest
>Kress
My fetish
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>>727599585
in 6-12 months
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>>727608272
The Knight is sexy so good on Dess for becoming a human female.
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>>727608164
Funny how Chara is a weeb but Kris isn't.
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>susie = dess
>ralsei = Asriel
>noelle = noelle
Who are (YOU) suppose to represent from kris’ past
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>>727608925
Kris is closeted teenage weeb embarrassed by having to deal with way more annoying weebs who can't hide their powerlevel
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>>727609104
Chara liking Mew Mew 2 is also funny.
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>>727609104
This. Kris probably did weeb shit with Dess.
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>>727608029
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>>727609094
nobody, you're just a random rogue element
either that, or [[FRIEND]] INSIDE ME
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>>727599340
>susiefags right now
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>>727609485
Nothing, the variable is called Toriel because it makes Dess look like her.
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>>727609104
Forget berdly
Im going to make Kris date Alphys in the festival
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>>727609709
Based, reversed fat bastard
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>>727607828
>>727607950
>vessel = knight
This actually makes way too much sense
The vessel exists as a body in the lightworld, but it doesn't have a soul, and thus becomes a darkner in the darkworld.

>why does the knight look like that
Because that's how Kris' fountain perceives the vessel.
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>>727609485
Susie says Toriel must have a third sense for when Kris did something bad. When you defeat the knight, Kris betrays the party. Enuff said.
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>Because that's how Kris' fountain perceives the vessel.
Damn, Kris really does want to fuck it, then.
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>>727609485
THE REASON YOU CAN TAKE CONTROL OF THE BLACK DEER THAT IS THE KNIGHT THAT IS DESS IS BECAUSE THE KNIGHT HAS KRIS SOUL, THE PLACEHORDER IS KRIS MENTAL BLOCKADE
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>>727610581
>>why does the knight look like that
Dess's soul is inside it.
Dess interupted the GonerMaker, that's why in Raise Up Your Bat, she calls our Soul her mark on kris, because by interupting the GonerMaker, she is responsible for kris ending up with a soul.
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>>727611575
if the soul of dess was in the vessel, it wouldn't become a darkner.
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i'm gonna bite the bullet
how did people first figure out that dess went missing?
because I feel like most people would simply miss that whole plot and the clues who the knight is
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>>727612641
Chapter 2?
They talk a lot about dess being missing
Outside the game, inside the code there are dialogues of what seem dess lost in the literal code

If you take that in account the knight being dess is not likely, at least not her soul/consciousness, the knight still can be just her body
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>>727612051
It's not alive, it's still an object, still a cage.
Human bodies can become darkners, if gerson's dust can, bodies can, if kris's severed hand can become FRIEND, then an artificial body piloted by a monster soul could become a suit of armor with a monster soul in it
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>>727612641
Chapter 2 because of the lost girl theme. I think in Chapter 1 there were some theories she ran away from home, though.
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>before chapter 3 and 4
>zero Kress
>after chapter 3 and 4
>lots of Kress

Explain.
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>>727613426
The Dess Knight theory gave it technically more fuel.
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>>727578867
Not so fast.
Kris is (You)rs
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>>727613426
Dess Knight is the only reason Kress exists.
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>>727590287
I feel the fan-art will be wrong but it will get some parts of her personality right (The tomboy side, the short-hair as we could see from her silhouette) it'll just miss certain design key points.
Which is a shame because this is by far my favorite dessign.
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>>727592619
>Suselle
>Susie Is scary
>Noelle is attracted to scary things
That's about it, and it's as shallow as Noelle portrays it.
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>>727578867
least gay ship
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>>727612641
Noelle marking December in the calendar, her search history
And of course the funny spelling bee incident, which also mirrors when she feels safe to talk about Dess with Kris
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>>727610650
Or when Kris kneels for the knight after the knight beats up his friends.
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>>727614118
>>727613080
yeah, but I still think a normal player who'd just play through the chapters wouldn't be able to connect the dots and especially wouldn't look at the song names/the code. the knight identity might be obvious to us, but not to the usual player
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>>727592619
>Kriselle
they were forced
you force them to be a thing in the scizo route
it's le bad XD
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>>727614010
I still think she will have red horns.
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>>727614328
i hope she's ugly like her mom
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>>727614437
Fanart will make her pretty like every Toby character.
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>>727614521
There is not much fan art of carol being pretty
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>>727614574
I am sure milf furry enjoyers would disagree with you.
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>>727614574
There is no much art of her at all
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>>727614574
WRONG
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TOOOOOOOOOOBBBBBYYYYYYYYYYY

GIVE ME MY PURPLE DINOSAUR GF, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
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>>727613426
we didn't have nearly as much to go off of in terms of what dess was like, i think the most we had was that she beat kris up with a wiffle bat once
meanwhile in chapter 3+4 we got loads of dess content, including the maybe-reveal that she's the roaring goddamn knight and that kris is working with her
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>>727592619
Ultimately this is what gets to me. And makes me reject shipping in general. Two characters share the same room and suddenly people are pairing them up. What would even happen if Susie and Noelle got together?
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>>727612641
Noelle and Rudy mention Dess in Chapter 1, and she's obviously not around but that wasn't necessarily something sinister since it's mirroring Kris's own situation with Asriel. There were still hints, though.
Chapter 2 confirms that "Dess" is a nickname for "December," made it obvious that Something Bad happened to her based on Noelle getting triggered at the spelling bee, and implied that she was missing rather than dead based on Queen's comments about Noelle's "strange and sad searches" and giving her a calendar where every single date is December 25th ("December Holiday"), suggesting that Noelle was still searching for her.
Chapter 2 is also when you can go into the police station and learn that Asgore was the former chief of police who was "removed," and get confirmation that something happened with Kris at the Shelter.

Outside of normal gameplay, the "UNUSED" text describing someone lost in the dark started in Chapter 1 and some people naturally connected it to Dess even then because she was a new named character who was conspicuously unaccounted for, and after Chapter 2 the Spamton Sweepstakes made it extremely clear with stuff like deltarune.com/december/

In terms of connecting her to The Knight, the reindeer antlers are pretty obvious and should clue anyone in that The Knight is somehow connected to the Holidays. The baseball bat is the dead giveaway, and "Dess would smack Kris with a whiffle bat" is literally the first thing we learn about her in Chapter 1, which became much more emphasized when we really start to learn about her in Chapter 3 and 4 ("Raise Up Your Bat," Dess having a ton of sports equipment and specifically baseballs in her room and closet).
It's only really obvious if you've been slurping up every bit of information about Deltarune for the past 4 years but you can definitely put the pieces together just paying attention to the game.
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>>727614302
For the average player yeh, until someone with red text says ''Noelle sister is missing'' the casual player wouldn't know yet, but at the same time Dess popularity is similar to Gaster, where the fanbase constantly talks about her
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>>727615368
>What would even happen if Susie and Noelle got together?
Infinite threads talking about how Toby raped them. A genuine meltdown.
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then who is lost in the code (unused)?
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>>727616482
Also Dess.
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>>727613426
>revealed Kris adored Dess
>revealed Kris is working with the knight and willing to betray his friends
Hmm I wonder why
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>>727614574
https://files.catbox.moe/d1i8ml.jpeg
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>>727617169
not clicking
post it here
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>>727617319
it''s porn retard
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>>727616482
Nobody is "lost in the code." Dess didn't get erased from existence, nobody has forgotten about her like Gaster and The Forgotten Man.
The UNUSED text is telling us about somebody who was lost in the dark for a long time. That person was almost certainly Dess (who else could it be?).
The UNUSED text, which gets updated/replaced each Chapter, is very likely not describing something that's happening simultaneously with each Chapter. This is an account of what happened in the past. This is evidenced by the progression of the speaker (going from confused and disoriented to accustomed to the darkness to the point), Spamton quoting the UNUSED text from Chapter 1 in Chapter 2, and assumptions about the identity of the speaker (Dess disappeared years ago).

It's quite possible that Dess has had contact with "Gaster" and might be the second voice in the intro, but this would still be contextualized in-game as going to the "deepest dark" or something, there's no need to invoke a meta-layer.
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>>727616482
who said the unused text is contemporaneous to the events of the game?
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Toby fox maintains the krusie agenda
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>>727617916
ACK
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>>727617916
He shipbaits everything.
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>>727612641
The fact that SOMETHING happened to Dess is very self evident. You can figure that out as early as chapter 1, and by chapter 2 it becomes pretty obvious.

As for why missing instead of straight up dead: It's a combination of clues. But the biggest one overall is simply the way Asgore and Carol threat her.
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Looking at old info after realizing Noelle is the Knight is fun. Like he probably said this because he realized how long it would take to finish the game and that people would recognize Lost Girl in Black Knife well before the intended reveal.
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>>727605640
That's true. Undertale was mostly Frisk by herself (unless you believe in narrator Chara), meanwhile Kris always has Ralsei and Susie with him for endless interactions.
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>>727617489
crop it retard
;3
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>>727617702
they happen alongside the events of the game
spamton even blurts out a line or two, i forgot
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>>727618097
>Shy girl
Oh my god it's about Kris??? Krusie wins again.
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>>727618097
At the same time, my HERO Gerson, confirmed monster x human
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>>727602961
I want her to have an adventure so she gets more porn
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>>727620649
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>>727621050
>female
gross
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>>727621101
Gerson isn’t a fag
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>>727620649
Yep yep. That stream was a big Chasriel W.
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>>727621162
>pink hair
>fights with tight boxer shorts
sure...
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Why can we read noelles thougts anyway
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>>727594380
sauce?
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>>727621625
Because she has Kris' SOUL.
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>>727621390
He literally has a wife, and proof that he fucked her
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>>727619776
Lost Girl is a significant motif but it's also just music for melancholy scenes with nothing to do with Noelle or Dess, like Susie telling Tenna about being a lonely kid or Ralsei talking about his lack of self-worth in his "room"
Like how "Flashback" was 200% Gaster-pilled when you first hear it in Snowgrave and that continued in Chapter 3 with Ralsei talking about "darker than dark" but then it's also used when Susie's just reviewing the information about the case in the church in Chapter 4 as more generic "mystery" music.
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>>727620442
>they happen alongside the events of the game
[citation needed]
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>>727622023
it was a they/them
there are no human women or men
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>>727622691
in deltarune. he has a wife and a kid in deltarune.
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>>727622023
also undertale gerson doesn't have a son
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>>727606058
>Krusie
The main powercouple of the game. The Judy and Nick if this was Zootopia. Kurisu and Okabe if this was Stein Gate.

>Kriselle
Somewhat secondary and possibly alternate relationship for Kris. It's the typical anime childhood friends ship but with some dark trauma backstory that make them distant in the present time.

>Suselle
The most obvious narrative red herring you can imagine. In Naruto that ship would be Sakura/Naruto where Naruto's crush didn't evolve into romance. In Higurashi it would have been Mion/Keiichi in which Mion's crush didn't evolve into romance. In this case Noelle will also end up getting over it.


>Kress
Irrelevant autism like any /ss/ or pedo ship
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>>727621625
Meta soul fuckery.
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>>727613426
Imagine the Pikachu face if Knight turn out to be Carol or Rudy and Dess is completely irrelevant and presumably already dead
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>>727612641
I only learned about Dess in these threads. I completly missed out on Noelle's sister plotline in my first playthrough and didn't understand why DECEMBER was spelled out in chapter 2
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>>727622691
>human women
Frisk, Chara
>Men
Kris, (you).
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>>727623017
>higurashi reference in the big 25
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>>727622298
I understand but the theme itself is intrinsically tied to Noelle even if it can exist in scenes that do not include her as long as it's being used to reinforce themes relevant to her character. Its inclusion in Black Knife as a leitmotif however does not work in the "non-Noelle" context as it's an entirely different song used for a boss explicitly tied to the Holidays, which would be most appropriate if it's Noelle herself.
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>>727618097
this wasn't about Susie
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>>727622691
If you're not baiting
You're fucking deranged
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>>727621625
We can read everyone's thoughts
Some monsters use the () to murmur though, or there is more weird shit happening than the one we're told
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>>727622691
Then they aren't human at all. Humans are defined by male and female gender and their mammalian reproduction. Toby would just rename their species into worms or fungi-like
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>>727623504
FemKris real.
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>>727624237
It was about Dess being into shy Noelle
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>>727625395
Incest confirmed canon once more.
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>>727618097
>intimidating strong girls
Kris
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>>727623017
>disregarding Kress
>Kris would rather listen to the Knight on the phone than running off to Susie
Oh anon...
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>>727618097
toby also says that susie just wants to 'grill and chill' after this so it's unclear what he meant
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>>727626882
>Kris and Susie are the most shipped characters
And yet people will deny it
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>>727627278
Human x Monster monstrosities.
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Is there a Krusie version of this?
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>>727628380
I don't know. I remember seeing an Undertale version with Frisk, Chara and Gaster, though.
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Going to be honest i just can't find see kris and susie's relationship as romantic. I get why people like it and i do find their dynamic funny but i see it more as a "bros for life" sort of thing than truly romantic. it feels like saying Frodo and Sam were in a romantic relationship
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>>727623038
Consensual buttsex with Frisk (female) and buttsex rape with Chara (female)
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>>727628524
i'll agree that a lot of their interactions are clearly supposed to be friendship first, but there are a few scenes, especially in 3&4, that definitely seem like they're supposed to be romantic in nature
kris pulling susie away from minikris, them looking at each other in the mirror, the diner date, susie opening up to kris about her experience with a piano in the past, those scenes blur the line between romantic and platonic
but the two of them fucking around eating moss and bombing around town are most likely not meant to be seen as romantic 90% of the time
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>>727628524
Same, they sort of remind me of Yusuke and Kuwabara. Just two bros sharing one brain cell willing to die for each other
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>>727628842
Don't rape humans.
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>>727628524
The only thing they have to do is just say ''no homo''
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>>727628524
Toby is making Sasuke/Naruto done right by basically making Sasuke female and making them an end game instead Hinata/Naruto
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>>727628524
A dude obsessing over other dude apple shampoo is the gayest thing a Yaoi manga would come up with, though
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>>727629870
You mean by making Naruto female, because that's what Susie basically is. Kris is very much Sasuke coded, emo anime kid with brother and parent issues and who betrays Naruto in the story
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>>727629572
Genuinely thought this was supposed to be a Chara Noelle before realizing it's Kriselle.
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>>727628842
it's also canon that kris is weak to anal
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>>727630274
This is a Krusie thread. Post Krusie or GTFO with this femKris/Chara bullshit
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>>727630274
That's a boy
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>>727629572
holy fucking sexo
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>>727578867
Wholesome Susie route or tragic Noelle route?
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>>727629572
Well? Post the other one.
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>>727630543
ok hoss
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>>727630543
no
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>>727630543
>Whining about Chara out of nowhere
Hello, thread schizo.
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Attention shipniggas
Kris gonna fuck everyone
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>>727623789
all 3 humans so far are they/them
It can't be a coincidence, humans in utdr lack sex/gender
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>>727630676
the forbidden middle one
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>>727631089
>all 3
4* (gerson's mage they/them wife)
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>>727631254
is it true that fatties feel sex less?
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>>727631254
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>>727631317
Yes bad blood circulation/cardio health, and less nerves per square inch makes sex and pretty much every other type of physical stimulation feel much duller including that of taste and smell.
One of the reasons fatties often get fatter is they start feeling less joy from food and make up for it by increas
increasing the quantity.
Kinda like building a tolerance for drugs
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>>727630676
man i love snowgrave art, hoping the festival date increases the edge
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>>727632076
imagine if you get on the ferris wheel with her then she decides to jump down with Kris <3
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>>727632234
i'm suddenly reminded that noelle threatened to jump out of the ferris wheel when she was riding it with susie
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>>727632904
ugly alphys is cute
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>>727632234
Kino.
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>>727629572
>light patch of fur on inner thighs
Yep, it's peak
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>>727632904
Alphys wasn't around when Kris was a baby.
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>>727632427
>Noelle waits for the ferris wheel to reach the top, asks for something romantic
>you can actually say no, but this time you can't go back to the normal route
>grabs Kris and jumps off
>game over
man
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Ralsusie
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>>727634186
this
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>>727633573
I'm now having flashbacks to the pokemon adventure manga where N just fucking pushes the protag out of a ferris wheel, extra fucked up cause she had like a big crush on him and thought this was gonna be romantic, but nope attempted murder and pokemon theft
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>>727634186
this but null ralsei
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>>727632904
What about a scenario where Toriel discovers Asgore fucking Alphys and then she joins in the threesome but keep mistreating Alphys and forcing her on Asgore cock???
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>>727635028
>cuckgore
he doesn't deserve anything
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>>727628524
what guys really want is a bro that's a woman
it's that simple
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>>727635093
Why though. Isn't he based?
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>>727628524
I agree. I'm not pulling for krusie in the end, I'm just pulling for not noelle and susie to end up together. I will do anything to keep susie away from that crazy bitch.
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>>727635175
he'll be based when he stops going after the one who dumped him and finds another woman
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>>727635279
>I'm just pulling for not noelle and susie to end up together
Same I'd take literally anything, whether that be no one, ralsei, or even fucking berdley.
Anyone but that psycho
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>>727631254
Literally me
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>>727635175
Lol no.
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I think adding romance to Krusie's feels wrong, neither of them feels like the romantic type. Maybe friends with benefits works better.
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>>727624031
don't bother. a large part of this fanbase gets uppity over the mere IDEA of toby's humans having actual genders to the point of treating them as asexual blobs. and i doubt things will change unless toby inexplicably decides to finally clarify that the they/them just was meant to be ambiguous or whatever
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Toby would have wasted his entire life if he didn't make them canon in the end
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>>727635456
I desperately hope this isn't undyne and alphys 2.0 and toby pushes his fetish with the two worst matching characters in the entire game
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>>727616482
SKOOGS
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>>727636041
How does Frisk do it
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>>727635852
This is why you should just keep your headcanons and stop worrying about the fandom.
>>727636041
True! I love her!
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>>727578867
so I notice that we've been able to have daily threads for a pretty good while, what got the jannies off our asses?
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>>727636698
heterosexuality
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>>727636698
I don't know, but we also haven't been getting any schizo meltdowns, either. I think everyone agreed to a peace treaty.
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>>727636041
>One of the best MCs around vs teen omori
Kris never had a chance
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>>727636698
mods probably got tired of people complaining that janny was on a rampage deleting vidya threads on the vidya board and told him to cut that shit out or they'll dock his pay
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>>727636698
Maybe the mod that disliked the threads got a shift in his working hours
there have been some yuri threads getting harrased, that might help
Also i think there is no slop of the month to flood the board with so not only us, there are some good threads that usually arent allowed
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>>727636963
>m.jpg
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>>727637375
Lol
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chapter 5 leak
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>>727635852
my response to any faggot who call him non binary
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Sex with your Girl Bro's... the Home-Run every "base ball guy" wants to "score!" A Dude, but also not a Dude, and she's all you're's.
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>>727636698
Jannies dont get mad if you post Krusie threads but will sage the thread if its about fetish shit or chara/undertale irrelevant shit
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>>727637571
Gotta fix small images by posting big images.
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Who will be th final boss of Deltarune?

Kris?
Dess?
Friend?
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>>727637829
>Schizo casually admits he was the janny this whole time
Didn't expect that but I am glad you shilled out despite people posting Undertale characters in these threads
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>>727637725
only homosexual males go by non binary
females are much more likely to go by they/ them, either due to previous trauma related to being female or because they're somewhere on the spectrum, sometimes both
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>>727637901
dess
if toby's ripping of mother 3 as hard as he claims dess will die at the end of the story
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>>727637629
I can't wait for chapter 5. I cannot imagine Susie would ever pick Noelle over Kris but Toby might force some bullshit where you need to go to Ralsei with Kris and Susie stays on the festival with Noelle, and the horny deer will try to cuck you. If she leads to Susie accepting confessions it will be over for Krusie for rest of the chapters
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>>727637901
Gaster, Angel or Dess
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>>727638028
After Noelle shit talked about Kris, i don't think Susie would have any feelings for her
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>>727638028
susie already picked kris, she says as much in ch2 if you pick to go with her, she was just asking who else kris would bring along
since ralsei physically can't go noelle is the default, and even then it seemed like susie wasn't planning on asking noelle when she sought her out in the church, it was 80% to spite carol and 20% because she at least somewhat considers noelle her friend
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>>727638645
Yeah im talking about Susie picking Noelle for Ferris wheel over Kris. She already rode it with Noelle in dark world so it would make sense if she wanted to ride with Kris.
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>>727637059
This is why (I'M) the good guy
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>>727594380
SOURCE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
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>>727636348
Me and my two wives
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>>727639091
i don't get it
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>>727622691
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>>727638457
Dud, after Noelle shittalked Kris friendship, Susie right after pretty much said ''yeah but what about me'' wait does Noelle mention the ferris wheel ride with Susie in the aborted weird route?? can someone confirm i abandoned hope in normal route and joined the snowgrave bros
Okay but real talk, i hope something interesting happens in the normal route and not just another Noelle's house 2.0
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>>727639604
I can't get onto that because Kris isn't (me) but good for you in your tastes, I guess.
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>>727639768
susie also doesn't mention how kris was left out of the hangout in normal route, but is all bitchy about it in weird when she's left out
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can someone post the picture of the purple lizard where she's fanning her shirt and she's got sideboob sticking out and she's all sweaty
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Who dies first here?
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>>727640852
Clover, the absolute weakest. Afterwards is Kris and then Frisk. Chara doesn't die because she is already dead.
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>>727640323
Yep that one really fucking sucks, i was hoping Susie to say ''damn she is kinda harsh with Kris'' but nope they continued like nothing happened
She literally got upset that Monster Kid and his bf were shittalking Kris in the ch2 bunker, why didn't she said anything there lmao, i geniunely can't tell if this will be really important because Kris ghosted Noelle or if it's just Toby and his yuri fetish
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>>727640904
He looks stupid.
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>>727641431
I will have you know Starwalker is literally the key to solving Deltarune
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>>727639307
Check the last few threads someone posted it
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>>727640904
He looks original
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>>727638028
>Ch5 comes out
>someone opens a fountain at the festival when everyone gets there
>you still get to pick who to go with
>ralsei cockblocks (YOU)r choice and bullshits a reason to drag Susie along with him
>your left with another section of just kris and noelle (Berdly also joins if you don’t snowgrave him)
Your reaction?
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>>727638028
At this point I’m convinced Toby’s either intentionally setting Suselle up to fail or he’s the biggest retard on the planet if he’s confident enough with Susie and noelle’s “chemistry” to REMOVE suselle scenes from the final game
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>>727644207
Go to /v/ to see the meltdown.
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It's amazing to me that autists who can't form a model of a basic high school crush spend so much time whining about shipping bullshit
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>>727644207
going off of item dialogue datamines, we are going to be alone with her.
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>>727644642
him cutting scenes is really strange, isn't it
iirc he showed concept art for a suselle scene in the sweepstakes and the sprites were finished, only to remove them from the final product (the one where susie is playing a handheld and seems to be getting annoyed at noelle)
i wonder if those are just cut because they're for later or because he didn't like the way they worked in the chapter
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>>727644207
Like that anon said, there are new unique items interactions with Noelle alone, so ít's likely that there will be another Kris and Noelle section again
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So I wonder what is going on with Ralsei teaching Susie how to heal but then he is passive aggresive towards her? like when they enter into the dark sanctuary, kris gets hurt, susie tries to heal him and then ralsei appears to say "hey if someones really hurt, don't try to fix it alone" What the hell does that mean in this context? Susie was the only one who could heal Kris, what's wrong with that?
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>>727645350
maybe he's worried about susie doing too much
remember he was also hesitant on her (and himself) learning how to ACT, it's possible him teaching her how to heal was something similar
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>>727645350
Oh you mean the funniest Deltarune moments
>LMAO SUSIE YOU FUCKING RETARD GO BACK TO SMASH ROCKS WITH YOUR HEAD OR SMTHING
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>>727645350
Despite everything, Ralsei is very bad at reading emotions. He's like a reverse flowey that instead of being a sociopath, he's instead just bad at empathy with others. Like telling Tenna to basically be thrown away and his own self-worth issues. So with the whole heal stuff Ralsei doesn't think Susie’s heal is good and that she can get better at it so he's just telling her to fuck off. I wonder if his issues will grow worser since it's implied the fire mage leaves the party in Dragon Blazers for awhile.
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>>727635175
Asgore is simply destined to suffer.
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>>727578867
I have money on Ralsie and Susie I'm afraid.

Kris has their hands full with noelle, they made that mess they can clean it up.
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>>727645554
>>727645684
>>727645932
It happens with Jackenstein too, he is like "I am the only one that can cure him, move aside" It is the exact opposite of what Gerson is trying to do with her
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>>727645350
Ralsei is paranoid about being forgotten/left behind. Like if Susie exceeds the one thing he is good at, what is he good for? It's a healer main mindset, hard to break, someone should teach him the wonders of Hold Person and Spirit Guardians.
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>>727646067
>I have money on Ralsie and Susie I'm afraid.
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>>727637916
He hasn't even responded to you yet with his usual shitty banter, is this fag really a janny?? LMFAO.
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>>727646192
>Like if Susie exceeds the one thing he is good at, what is he good for?
He killed Statue Gerson in one shot, clearly he isn't just a healer.
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>>727645350
He was inconsiderate and insensitive to Susie's feelings because he was distracted and stressed out about the Last Prophecy. He's not trying to put her down, this just wasn't a time to fuck around teaching her healing magic when Kris was seriously hurt and when he's trying to keep things moving along because he doesn't want Susie to find the Last Prophecy. And he also underestimated her, or never realized she was taking it seriously.

>>727645932
In general I think Ralsei probably has a very rigid mindset about what people's roles are "supposed to be," for obvious reasons. Susie probably isn't "supposed to" learn healing magic so Ralsei never thought she'd be any good at it, she's supposed to hurt people.
It's also worth keeping in mind that while Ralsei genuinely loves his friends and wants what's best for them, his extremely positive and gratifying attitude is something that he puts conscious effort into. He acts that way and does so much for Kris and Susie because he feels like he's supposed to, it's not necessarily his natural behavior. That's what he's talking about in the boat ride in Chapter 2 when he says he doesn't really know what being "Ralsei-like" is and the moments in Chapter 4 where confrontation with Susie cracks his facade.
Ralsei is a good guy but he can be kind of a dick when he's not trying so hard to be a good friend. You know, kind of like Asriel/Flowey.
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>>727646473
>Ralsei is a good guy but he can be kind of a dick when he's not trying so hard to be a good friend. You know, kind of like Asriel/Flowey.
Yeah, that’s what I am talking about. He's like a Flowey where he doesn't seem to understand how people feel that well, except he tries to be extra nice instead of a dick. That's why he dismisses Tenna’s worries and basically doesn't care about Susie trying to better her heal or his own self-worth.
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>>727646414
He's holding himself back because he thinks healers are meant to be pacifist healbots and the prophecy pegs him as a pacifist healbot.
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>>727646396
It would be sad if everything he said was projection, but at least it seems he chilled out for the time being.
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>>727645684
Chapter 4 made me hate ralsei
Why show her how to heal if you're not going to help her improve?
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>>727647042
nah, his pacifism is because he thought that the prophecy called for aggression
ralsei is trying to change the prophecy, not make it come to pass as be
it just isn't working
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>>727644207
Better to be Krusie cockblocked by Ralsei for possible Kriselle than cucked by Noelle to be forced to go with Ralsei
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>>727640442
i am not asking
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>>727645684
This whole plotline was so forced it was like Toby didn’t know how to develop Susie
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>>727650135
No seriously where the fuck is she, I thought for SURE she would be in the cafe selling cakes.
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>>727650624
Relegated to an item cameo I'm afraid, Just look up GoldWidow
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>>727646473
>It's also worth keeping in mind that while Ralsei genuinely loves his friends and wants what's best for them, his extremely positive and gratifying attitude is something that he puts conscious effort into. He acts that way and does so much for Kris and Susie because he feels like he's supposed to, it's not necessarily his natural behavior.
See I don't believe this "Secret Dick Ralsei" theory.
Genuinely, I think he's this way because this is what Kris imagines him as, and Kris is the one who brought him into existence.

I just don't buy the idea he's going to step back at some point, frustrated, and scream "I HATE ALL OF YOU". Or that he doesn't like acting the way he does. He acts the way he does because that's Kris' perception of who the perfect monster would be, the kind he wishes he were born as.
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>>727645350
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought Ralsei explains this behavior at some point. I think it was something like him wanting to bear most of the burden because he's a darkner.
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>>727647018
I think this is more his self-loathing shining through. He dismisses Tenna's worries because he has a very low opinion of himself, not because he wants to be a dick or anything. His opinion is that Darkners aren't real people and that they just exist to serve lightners. Susie's whole point with spending time with him isn't romantic but instead an attempt to show he has worth to other people as a person, which is the thing he doesn't understand about not being 'Ralsei-like' enough. How can you be ralsei-like if you aren't even a person? At least, that's how I read it.

The twist is going to be that this is actually projection. Ralsei thinks this way about himself because Kris thinks his way about himself.
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>>727578867
this level of shipping autism gave me cancer. andrew clussie was at fault for spreading lesbianism to toby.
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Kris and the Soul are different people and Susie has only ever been hanging out with the Soul recently. Susie barely even knows Kris outside of being a weirdo in her class. Shipping them makes no sense.
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>>727651043
Yeah the quick rundown is that he is okay with even dying if it means Kris and Susie will be fine, so he thinks Susie learning healing is bad because he doesn't want them to worry about the dangers of the adventure, he even wanted to complete the ch4 dark world by himself
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>>727651693
I'm sure it will be a plot point, but things like protecting her from mini-Kris and Gerson statue was 100% his choice
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>>727651693
kris can still mostly control his expressions and tone of voice
he also does act of his own accord with susie occasionally, like when he shields her in ch1 and 4
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>>727651789
I'm sure Kris has formed feelings for Susie but they all run one way. Susie doesn't know that she doesn't know Kris, but she doesn't, and that's the important point.
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>>727650135
Going out on cute dates with the Discarded Vessel
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Thoughts on the policule route?
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>>727650135
Will appear with Asriel as his girlfriend and a reason Dess commited the bad things
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>>727652165
doomed to fail
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>>727651924
Listen to the soundtrack, check the weird route look at lewds lmao it works sometimes as a hook
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So, which deer girl is Ramb talking about smart anons or unexpected third girl
I'm surprised that a good amount think is Dess but it's a fair pick
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>>727652165
Not going to happen. Kris is going to become the third wheel of a lesbian relationship and Sans will become his new dad. There is really no point in taking revenge on him for sabotaging the mission. His life is going to be miserable enough.
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>>727650135
Muffet's dead, you idiot.
She's locked in my basement.
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>>727652504
noelle. her and kris are the only people autistic enough to imagine a computer having a kid with a playing card. if it is dess than asriel has even lower standards than previously thought
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>>727652692
i believe in girlfailure dess but yeah it was 100% noelle playing with kris
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>>727651693
She's only been hanging out with the Soul MOST of the time, she has met the real Kris. She doesn't know the difference like Noelle does because she hasn't grown up with the real Kris vs us.
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>>727652165
Never ever.
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When will Susie apologize?
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>>727654112
ch6 when her and kris are airing everything out
it's pretty heavily implied that she feels bad about it in ch3 & 4
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If Toby isn't a hack then it will turn out Susie really was oblivious to Noelle's advances and she will reject both of them to focus on friendship (but with Krusie obviously being the future once she's comfortable enough)
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>>727650135
If i remember long ago her creator got into some trouble because of doing some nsfw of her webcomic Ava's demon
But i mean Toby is also still working with the shotastacy Omocat no
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>>727652504
"Kids like you" and Queen's enjoyment of Noelle implies that it was her.
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>>727654112
Kris fetish is someone telling him to kys so it's fine
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>>727654329
>she will reject both of them to focus on friendship
ENTER:
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>>727654329
I'm almost positive Noelle is going to either A. Get brutally rejected or B. Get her ass saved by the "a" plot conveniently jumping in.
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>>727650931
I'm not really saying he's a dick, just that he would be more normal if he wasn't burdened with the weight of the Prophecy and the other things he "didn't ask to know" about. His love for his friends is sincere, but it's difficult to separate that from him feeling like he HAS to love them and has an obligation to act to benefit them, because he's a Darkner and they're Lightners.

I also don't really agree with the idea that Kris wants Ralsei to act like that. Kris seems to be ambivalent toward Ralsei initially to the point that people wondered if they even liked him. But in Chapter 4 we're twice given the choice to either encourage Ralsei to be himself or to continue "playing his part," and in both cases Kris shows support for Ralsei's independence. If you tell Ralsei "Of course not" when he asks if it's okay for a Darkner to be his own person, Kris will completely subvert your answer by coughing to cover up the "not" and nod to give Ralsei affirmation. And at the end of the Chapter when you tell Ralsei "It's okay not to smile," Kris will comfort Ralsei with a hug on their own.
Kris might be working against Ralsei by working with The Knight, but I believe they both understand that they're kindred spirits who feel bound by circumstances beyond their control. Even if Kris is somehow responsible for Ralsei's existence, Kris wants him to be his own person.
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>>727651693
>* (Hey, Kris, it's not like someone has to tell you to sit, right!?)
Kris has to do what we tell them to but they don't ONLY do what we tell them to. If Kris was a mindless automaton, like our vessel, they wouldn't ever be ripping us out, would they?
Kris has plenty of opportunity to act freely and express themself throughout the game, they do shit we don't tell them to all the time. The "I'm Susie's REAL friend" cope is frankly kind of embarrassing, Susie's friendship with Kris is as genuine as it can be under the circumstances.
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>>727657029
Kris cucked us...
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>>727652504
It's Dess.
>The TV World is all about Kris's past and home life and there is not a single mention of Noelle anywhere. Dess is prominent as a role model and a significant presence in the house, and whatever happened to her clearly had a severe impact on Kris.
>"only kids like you two would take a laptop home just to play make believe" implies that Kris and "that girl" were similar. Kris was a cheating thieving little prankster brat, and Dess was a classic teen punk rebel type. What was Noelle like when she was younger? A little scaredy-cat crybaby. Which girl is going to steal a laptop from the public library? Who was having "some REAL fun" with Kris in "the old days"?
>This dialog pretty much outright states that King, Queen and Tenna, along with other characters in the Dark Worlds like Jevil and Spamton, were invented by Kris and "that girl" in their make-believe. Makes perfect sense for Tenna's Dark World created by Kris, but the other Dark Worlds were created by The Knight. Why did The Knight choose to make its Dark Worlds there, anyway? And isn't it interesting that the Dark Worlds created by Kris and The Knight seem pretty much, the same while Susie's is very different. What does that tell us?
That's pretty much the three pillars that swayed me, but there's smaller points supporting them too
>Noelle consistently downplays her friendship with Kris; she's clearly coping but the most we can say is "they hung out with their big siblings" "they got on a ferris wheel once" "Kris played the piano at her house"
>King/Card Kingdom was where Dess and Asriel were taught by Gerson, they would have had better access to it though it's not inconceivable that younger kids could have played with the stuff in there too, hey why does Asriel have a drawing of Seam on his computer
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>>727659158
Also, if Queen was basically Noelle's imaginary friend, or at least a character she helped come up with and played with, it's pretty strange that she doesn't remark on this at all.
Maybe it would explain Queen's fixation on Noelle, but maybe that can be explained if "that girl" made the Dark World too.

>* I always wanted to go someplace new, you know?
>* ... And Dess... always told me she'd take me.
>* Somewhere like this.
>* Somewhere with shining lights.
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>>727659741
Queen is how Carol acted before Dess Dessapeared
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>>727659741
i don't think noelle imagined the laptop she played with as a kid to look like a big milf with an ayy lamo head
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>>727660548
she probably gave it a ojou sama personality
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>>727655418
>"nice to meet you. im noelle and this is my tubesteak"
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>>727659158
My main problem is that if Dess changed the cartoon channel that Kris was watching, then she feels like the type of person that already finds playing with toys dumb, also Kris did used to play with Noelle a lot, she says how close they were as kids even if Kris autism never confirmed their friendship

Regardless the evidences for the girl being Dess are also pretty good, it would be another Dess Knight connection, she was probably orchestrating even before disappearing
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