This is Metroid's Skyward Sword moment>annoying companion>pointless overworld with few secrets dotted around>bird = motorcycle>backtracking over and over through areas>have to keep returning to the small starter hub area>a few good set piece areas despite the majority of the game being bad>will probably have a few contrarian fans over the years who like it because they want to be different
>>727581523This is a Forspoken moment
I think the more appropriate comparison is Lighting Returns but maybe you're right
>>727581670Breast armour is too big for her. That's how you know Toriyama was just jerking it by the third game
>>727581523So this board is still in denial that Breath of Wild ruined everything?
cant wait until the emulator devs make it playable
>>727581820BotW is still GotY, cry about it. Western devs just suck shit.
>>727581867Download it on Citron. It's already fully playable on decent hardware. I've put an hour into it with very minor visual bugs and excellent performance.
>>727582382Ive done eden and ryujinx here goes fucking nothing
>>727582382but hey since you are here, which keys/firm did you use? I used the newest one and the one before it. does that matter? open gl or vulkan?
>>727581820>see big map>instantly botwYou are such a fake faggot, it's OOT you idiot. Only BOTW thing is shrines and flashbacks
>>727582382I tried it and that worked. Thank you for the sincere and non-retarded response, homie. you don't get many of those these days.Also what the fuck is wrong with switch emulating forks? why are there so god damn many? on a sarcastic note, maybe nintendo should unironically take some of these down just to knock out the shitty ones
>>727582850They copied the BotW shrines for this game, and the desert doesn’t give you the option to go where you want like Hyrule Field.
>>727581523purple gay lighting art. Checks out.
>>727581523Posted this in the other Metroid thread:Aside from the stupid fucking desert, the environments are legitimately very nice. The biggest problems are>Myles and the other Feddies that fangirl over you (the sniper is cool though)>Storytelling is incredibly explicit and leans hard into CHOSEN ONE SAVIOR AAAAA HELP US SAMUS instead of the Space Warrior Religion of the ChozoAside from the stupid green crystals, the exploration gameplay is very satisfying. In that sense, the "game" part of the game is functional (though the powerups are uninspired), but it's clear that the narrative concept is confused.it's a shame because I think Retro had some legitimately great visual inspiration and landscapes going on, but this fart of a narrative doesn't do it justice. it's a bonafide 7/10 I'm enjoying but will sigh wistfully about when I'm done with it.
>>727582850But shrines are 50% of BotW's gameplay
>>727587089>8 years later and they're still seething over shrinesthey weren't perfect, but their flaw was that they weren't novel enough individually. botw is still a structure most people like, but they want some traditional elements back. the world map traversal in that game is still nearly unparalleled by any other open world game, and it's certainly much better than metroid prime 4's desert
>>727581523So which game are you shilling that's competing with Prime 4?
>>727581728no, you can tell he was jerking it by how the armor is designed for maximum pit exposure
>>727581670How?
>>727581523>woke colorsno buy
>Skyward Sword momentSo the point of no return where we never see a good game out of the franchise again? Zelda survives because tendies slurp it up "because it's Zelda" regardless of actual quality so it has enough sales to justify its continued existence but Metroid has never sold and has always been niche so it can't afford that luxury.
>>727591190Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom were good. Get fucked bozo.
>>727581523>got banned for burying metroid mid 4 ten feet underbalding tendies are frothing at the mouth and raping that report button. They're not even fans because fans are disgusted with what happened to prime, only feral fanboys.Go buy the prime 1 remake if you haven't and not this.
>>727586907I don't know how they shipped the desert as it is, it's awful in all regards. The story of the game is hot garbage and I like how none of the stuff about Metroids is explained unless it happens at the very end of the game. Somehow all the bosses are parasited by Metroids, but how did the Metroids even get there in the first place?
>>727581820>I wish Breath of the Wild had never come to be. I wish none of this ever happened>So do all who live to see such games, but it is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is which ones to play of the games that are given to us.
>>727581523SS is insanely better than this crap. It’s not even funny
HEY FELLOW GAMERS, METROID PRIME 4 IS OBJECTIVELY SHIT! FOR A LIST OF REASONS WHICH MAKE NO SENSE! BUY OUR- I MEAN THIS GAME INSTEAD!
It was going good until McKenzie showed up. Those Marvel quips, Sammy’s just standing there, an escort mission.Getting huge red flags an it’s only an hour in.
>>727581523It even has the same beetle glider puzzles.
>currently enjoying Black Ops 7 more than a Metroid Prime releaseWhat fucking timeline is this.
>game>game 2>game 3>game 4>game 5>game 6 (now with woke colors)why are they like this
>>727586907The gameplay is fine aside from a few hangups. The writing is utterly horrendous though and it makes up the bulk of people's major complaints about the game. The Tanabe-mandated GF cheerleader squad is utterly obnoxious and they couldn't have picked a worse way to "develop" Sylux.
>>727592418>TanabeOh god not this dude again. He wrote all of Other M.
>>727587436Traversal has to be good because there's nothing else to do.
>>727592305why is purple woke and how many more god damn posts are you going to make about this?i know you are one solitary loser posting this shit a million times
I feel like the devs don’t understand the level design either. It’s like, they understand the concept, but don’t know how to implement it. Prime 1 is the best example here when you’re in the early parts of Tallon in that little hub with 5 doors. It’s still linear, but it expects you to figure out where to go.
>>727586907It feels way more linear and direct than previous Prime games, though. So far all 4 E-tanks I've found were just places directly in my path with no puzzle solving whatsoever, and I'd be willing to bet all the "hidden" ones will just be in the BOTW Shrines. I also think the new Psychic powers are super fucking gimmicky in a bad way. The Skyward Sword comparison in the OP is apt. Soulless, too-big hub world that makes you cross it way too much that nobody likes. Dungeons that are fun but too simplistic. Your annoying AI companions handhold you like a toddler. Massively overly gimmicky gameplay "theme." Skyward Sword.
>>727592776This, the map layout in Prime 4 is just a glorified corridor and you are locked out of anything else. I don't really know whose job it's to take care of the map design, but clearly that person in charge of Prime 4 had no idea what they were doing
>>727581523I got a copy of the Switch 1 version at my local Walmart and they shoved all their copies of that version in furthest possible spot in the back of their Nintendo section. You'd think they'd put it at the front of their Switch 1 shelves closest to the Switch 2 kiosk since it's a first party AAA title on launch day, but it feels like BotW in that they are only begrudgingly acknowledging the original version of the game out of obligation.
This game was released yesterday. Where are the reviews from those who have already finished it to share their thoughts?
>>727581670LR was the only decent one out of a dogshit trilogy, MP4 isn't the better one out of the quadrilogy.
>>727592768Purple and orange lighting is a bad sign because all mainstream products are using it. If you see a product following this logic, it means it's a mass-produced item made by marketing teams trying to cash in on fads, which is already an indication of low quality.
>>727592768https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual_lighting
>>727582850>it's OOT>despite OOT not being open world
I think it’s just been too long. When was Prime 3, 2009? If Prime 4 has come out in 2012, would have been alright.But all these years later, I feel like every shooter reboot has become faster, even the Metroidvania games have become really widespread, plus you have the level design of Dark Souls pervading through every action title.All those games are built on Super and Prime, but Prime isn’t pushing anything, it’s a bank on nostalgia. This combat was good on the GameCube, where it was all designed around the C-stick lacking and the triggers being squishy.What should have been made was “Metroid Depths” or something, a faster paced action FPS that tries to blend Other M, Dread and Prime altogether and lends itself to faster paced puzzles like in Half Life 2.
>>727581523It even have the same itens, kek
>>727581523...and then in 10 years people will call it an underrated masterpiece?
>>727593296Nobody in /v/ plays video games so not here
>>727587089The shrines were a novel idea back then. Also 80% of the fun was actually finding the shrines.Almost all games that are trying to copy the formula, falls the same mistake that the shrines were the hook instead of the reward itself
>>727583551Not really, there is only a tiny handful of them and they all have very real rewards like charged attacks for your elemental weapons. Basically all the "optional gear" is in them.
>>727591190Your theory doesn't make sense if you look at the numbers.
>>727594343We still talking about SS lmao even the biggest BotW/ToTK frothers don't give ss a pass
I really want to see the Namco Bandai build
>>727581523The other games were annoying too so what
Samus = SeamusAran = Aran Islands
>>727594379What virtually every BOTW copycat gets wrong is that in BOTW and TOTK there is a point of interest literally every 100m, even if it's just a chest guarded by enemies, a no-name NPC quest/encampment, or a korok puzzle. NuZelda is still one of the densest open worlds in the market. There is simply a ton of stuff in it. You cannot make your open world fucking empty and expect to see the same reception that BOTW did.
I find it racist that everyone finds this guy annoying.
>>727581523Has anyone shitting on this game actually played it?
>>727594973I have almost finished it (will today), but so far it has been the worst Prime game
>>727595018It's better than Prime 3, better items, better levels, Viola is better than using your shipBetter boss battles too, actually the boss battles are the better of the series.
Does Samus even give a fuck about the Ayys or is she just trying to get off the planetCan someone ask her
>>727594603undoubtedly superior to this slip most likely
>>727595081Better than the nuke section of sky town?
>>727595131>Can someone ask her:woman_standing:
>>727594737samus iran
>>727595081Bosses are better, the levels are not. The map design is horrendous in prime 4
>>727594403Argumentum ad populum
>>727595081the boss battles are rather lame except the lava bosswhat were they thinking with that floating soccer ball... how intimidating!!
>>727591252my sister likes and 100% both games which further proves they are dogshit
>>727593296Feels really close to Prime 1. Gameplay is fun, story is irritating. New abilities are cool, most are just renamed "Psychic X".Nothing relating to Sylux is resolved, in fact he's still alive. We still don't know why he hates Samus and the Federation. Metroids are barely a part of the game aside from "Metroid-fusion" with the bosses. I don't mind the quippy dialogue, and the fact that Samus ignores or just nods to acknowledge most things is based. Green Crystal collecting can fuck off. No Ridley.That the short and sweet of it.
>>727595180Yes, but Skytown itself is just something else, overall the Ice and Storm areas are better than the whole Nuke part of Skytown, they are in general just outright better.>>727595258The problem is that it's literally in the name, it's Metroid Prime 4.
been playing a few hoursthis is just Metroid Prime 3 again. The design is very similar to Prime 3, from the linearity, to the forced gimmick nobody wanted (aiming while locked on), to all the NPCs, to the middle hub area everyone hates, to the upgrades that are used for a few specific puzzles.It plays better than Prime 3, but otherwise it's Prime 3.
>>727595291my point is that >Zelda survives because tendies slurp it up "because it's Zelda" regardless of actual qualitydoesn't explain why BOTW is popular.
>>727595320Ball guy was fine, plant guy was great, so was ice thingy, and to a lesser extent giant space pirate thingy, but that was the intro boss, there was also the nice fakeout of false Sylux, and then the other mini minibosses, things like that annoying energy thing surrounded by the swarm of monsters, or that teleporting robo.
>>727595493It gets worse after the midway point. I was enjoying myself until after the ice area because the next 2 areas after it are dogshit because you babysit the NPCs through almost the entire way through them
>>727581523Yeah it's exactly like SS, even takes the worst features from corruption
>>727595505NTA but BotW was popular because:>It was legitimately something fresh and new at the time, as people were getting fatigued with the OoT gameplay formula thanks to SS>It was a launch title for their most popular system at the time>It was a open world Zelda, which is something people begged Nintendo for since the late 2000sI think most Zelda fans are now asking for Nintendo to go back to the OoT style gameplay or downsize the world, as people are getting fatigued with the BotW era setting after like, four entries.
>>727595429People who say>But Prime 1 was linear too!Are trolling. You walk through Chozo Ruins like 4 different times before the game is done. Even if path through each segment you walk through isnt super mazelike, the fact that each zone in the map interconnects directly to the others instead of being linked solely via a hub means the progression through each zone is way more intricate and interconnected.
Why is Sylux just infinite.Is this the start of a metroid meta era?
>>727581820BOTW derangement syndrome. kys disgusting nigger faggot
>>727595875They don't have to totally scrap the BOTW setting but they should make the dungeons more involved. That's what I was expecting from TOTK. Every second of devtime they spent making the gloom world and sky world were wasted, those maps had nothing in them and probably consumed WAY more dev hours than were worth it. If they had sunk that time into quadrupling the size of the dungeons (which were already much bigger than in BOTW) and fixing the menuing, TOTK would have been unquestionably goated.
>>727593770OOT is literally open world you stupid nigger. Next you're going to tell me GTA 3 isn't open world
>>727596092>OOT is literally open worldIt's literally not...
>>727581523>Metroid isn't Metroid anymore >Zelda isn't Zelda anyone >Donkey Kong isn't Donkey Kong anymore >Mario isn't Mario anymore >Pokemon isn't Pokemon anymore >Mario Kart isn't Mario Kart anymore How did every single one of these wind up being low effort uninspired open world slop? It genuinely feels like Nintendo forgot how to make games and has been making the same game for around a decade now.
>>727581523If you removed the stupid bike section and obnoxious side characters it would be a decent but short Metroid game. Who the fuck thought Metroid needed an empty overworld and a quirky cast constantly budding in. Was it a hold over from bandi, was it retro not having its old guard to say no, was it a demand from nintendos higher up(it was probably the higher ups)
>>727581670Sylux is an autistic raging tanabe's lightning after all
>>727596273At least Kirby Air Riders is still the same....
>>727596319Remove those and it's still the worst Prime game by far for having oversimplified lock and key design like Zelda rather than being a proper metroidvania with meaningful upgrades.
I reckon they were focus testing this and people were being absolute retards. McKenzie is spelling out the way to the generator in a way that feels obnoxious for the series.
>>727596432CHADby stay winning.
So do they explain who Sylux is or what?
>>727581523Other M was Skyward Sword. This is Wind Waker - the desert appears to follow a lot of the same forms and functions as WW's Great Sea (right down to the obnoxious item gating), and the main points of interest aside appear to be disappointingly linear. It's also worse than Skyward Sword overall.
>>727581523the game is great.you should seek a hobby, macaco. It's sad to be this fucking mad at a toy company for the last decade.
>>727592525That's sakamoto
>>727595903>>But Prime 1 was linear too!Linear is such a pointless word when talking about video games nowadays. A better metric is how obvious your path forward is and how much you're allowed to deviate. Resident Evil 1 is "linear" by all accounts but if it's your first time playing, you're going to be walking around the same rooms very often. >>727596273They learned all the wrong lessons from the Switch's success
>>727596527Yes, he wanted to have sex woth samus but her thighs were to strong and merely toicjing them will kill him, so he tries to become stronger.He then dies because her thighs are still too powerful.
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>>727596823Thank you... it is all I could have asked for and more...
>>727596319All the original Prime team from Retro was gone long before this game and replaced with 343 rejects + this game getting passed around to 20 other C-list studios by the time it was finished (not even exaggerating)
>>727587436Eh, BotW / TotK really just needed to have their scope reeled in when it comes to map size. No one really gives a shit about how "big" your world is anymore. It's no coincidence that the part of BotW that receives consistent praise is the most structured part of the experience, complete with power progression (Plateau). Scale down the world. Provide a couple of solutions to progression (that are more fun than "climb this or walk further"). Create cool landmarks that lead to integrated dungeons in an organic way. And please. Overhaul the combat because that shit sucks in BotW / TotK. I would avoid it even if it wasn't a waste of time.
>>727595903Magmoor Caverns was the "hub world"Old Retro devs specifically said in interviews they designed padding into the environment/enemies to make sure the game felt a few hours longer than it actually wasthey fixed that mistake in Prime 2 by having all the worlds interconnected with each otherinfinitely preferable to the dogshit empty desert we got. The desert isn't even purposely malicious like Prime 1, it's just flat out lazy
>>727596319It was Tanabe wanting to make a Metroid movie after the Mario ones.
It was really good before Miles, and it got good again at the volt forge. When is it supposed to be “mostly bad?”
>>727597662After the ice area
>>727592525Not him. It’s the Sticker Star guy.
>>727581820That's like saying Minecraft ruined everything, no, talentless trendchasers ruined everything.
Other M is better in Japanese, the localization butchered it hard.Still isn't amazing but you go from passable to worthless trash.
Gotta give them points for the Viola factory.
Reddit series
>>727596432That’s what happens when a producer and dev team have a clear vision
>>727581523Feels more like an Other M situation but slightly better (still shit)
>>727597927Other M not only fails at a basic gameplay level and has more and worse interruptions than Prime 4, it also banks super hard on nostalgia and recycling boss monsters and member berries worse than any game in the series. That game is a pathetic puddle of poison and it shows you people haven't played it in a long time. Prime 4 has some pathetic shit in it too, and it's underwhelming to boot but it doesn't sink that low.>>727596609>Resident Evil 1>linearNo the fuck it is't, not even if you play Chris. Jill's lockpick bypasses the sword key so she has like ten doors she can open before even getting a single one. The Spencer mansion is the single most open stage in the series, you picked a terrible example, shoulda gone with 2's police station (even 3 allows a degree of freedom with the tram sidequest and all the alternate events).
>>727582850>ride up to the areas in mp4 are boring just like divine beasts>have to do a basic dungeon with no enemy variety once you reach the dungeon>have to rescue the npc in each area that will help you on the final boss fighti mean it's def using the same gameplay structure.
>>727597091If you play TOTK without ever using flurry rush the combat is unironically pretty fun, you have to get way more creative with items like the puffshrooms to do crowd control and it feels a bit like throwing around gadgets in bamham.
Where's the secret Samus sex scene
>>727581523>backtracking over and over through areashaven't played prime 4 but backtracking is like... a stape of the metroid series
>>727598420>Zero suitDisgusting, power suit of gtfo
>>727593697>/v/ accepting the premise of tumblrfags and trannytubers You fags are so buck broken. Next you will believe retro lighting/color schemes are also the colors of some queer faggotry.
>>727595875It's not just Zelda, open world fatigue is seemingly becoming common with all gamers because the majority of games coming out are all the same open world slop right now. People want new experiences, BotW provided that, more games like BotW aren't providing that. Something like Bananza is cool because it IS a new experience.
>>727581820This game has nothing to do with BotW. It isn't even similar>HURR DURR BRO THERE IS A CENTRAL HUB WHERE YOU RIDE AROUNDIt is way more comparable to OOT or TP's Hyrule Fields, just with way less shit to do. They ultimately serve as a large central hub to connect major dungeons. Except Nintendo FOR THE FUCKING NINTENDO 64 figured out you need to put shit in there to make it fun.
>Press ZR to rev up>150>370>490>600>749>bike is actually travelling at 70kmphFuck you Americans miles aren’t a thing
>>727581523Skyward Sword was very good and had excellent motion control implemntation never seen before.MP4 is like if they let a c team do a metroid 20 years ago.
>>727581523Skyward Sword hate is pure unfiltered /v/eddit forced rhetoric, of the textbook category.
>>727598420As long as it's with a black guy, I'm here for it.
>>727581523Does it run on switch 2 20.11.1 firmware ?Despite the millenial writing, I'm still interested by the game.But if it forces me to update my switch 2 beyond 20.1.14 (the only firmware that has any chances to get hacked), then I won't bother.
>>727594463>weWho's "we"? You schizophrenic tranny?
>game ends with the power of friendship bullshit. Grim.
>>727597091Even with Elden Ring, the parts people like the most are the legacy dungeons.
>>727597927The English va was directed by Sakamoto. The Japanese version is the localization
I don’t like that morph ball floating bomb puzzle psychic thing. I always forget about it and the game has to remind me it exists.
>>727598836I liked it better than Twilight Princess at least
Samus is now a bike babe
Samus is now my mother.
I actually don’t hate the NPC’s surprisingly. It’s the rest of the game that’s shit. Looks nice tho.
>>727581820Considering BotW is actually good and this game isn't, no I can't say that.
>>727599209>game about a boyband driving a vintage car across the country to get their friend laid>somehow not GOTY>game about a biker babe traveling through space and time to help some aliens move>somehow not GOTYHow do devs keep botching the greatest pitches known to man?
>>727596273>Mario isn't Mario anymoreI dont know anyone who has said this. common consensus is that mario has been pretty decent as of late.
I'm never getting hyped for a video game ever again. This game feels like the people who made it don't understand what makes Metroid special and just thought "we need goofy zany gimmicks to make it stand out!" without asking why.
>>727599463I think they’re just still buttmad about intermission races
>>727581523>This is Metroid's Skyward Sword moment>The next Metroid will be fully open world>(((Journalists))) will give it 98/100>Normalfags will buy it in droves>Classic Metroid will be dead forever
>>727594973I'm working on it now. I just finished the Ice Belt which is the best part so far.
>>727581670>I think the more appropriate comparison is Lighting ReturnsIs was the best game in that dogshit trilogy despite being mediocre.
>>727599524The alternative is 20+ years of “HEY REMEMBER SUPER? YOU SAW THAT IN SUPER. WASNT SUPER GOOD?” Zelda couldn’t help but shackle itself to OoT until BotW, and if you take a shot every time Mario calls back to SMB1 or Mario 64 you’ll be going to the hospital.
>>727581820I think all the violently angry responses you got paint a sad picture. Not just a "no", but a resounding, happy, synchronized "no" like a bunch of trained seals.
>>727599378UPBOATED :)
HOLY AMAZEBALLS IT'S ME MYLES MACKENZIE!
>>727594973Yeah, it’s really good. There’s some things I disagree with, but that’s any game. People didn’t exaggerate how aggravating the GF jobbers are, but it’s good.
>>727599463No one says it. I'm fairly critical of modern Mario games, but I'm not going to call (most) of them bad, just boring / redundant. The current state of the spinoffs pretty sad, though. Whatever magic was there is gone, and even the "decent" entries (Jamboree) have to rob content from the classics.
>>727599887I have a better shot at life than you, since you can’t seem to use your words. I’ve been having fun. Enjoy your le reddit hivemind when you get back there.
>>727581820Kek. Really riled up the open world trannies with that one
Nintendo toddlers will regret shilling BOTW for the rest of their sad pathetic existences. TOKT was just the start.We warned you faggots about open world garbage. But nooo, you had to pretend that this was the one good instance of it. It was surely ok when Nintendo did it. Enjoy your open world slop forevermore.
>>727597927>muh honorable nip dub folded over a thousand times somehow makes the nonsensical basic plot beats and objectively terrible characterization okayplease commit sudoku like your beloved samurai as soon as possible
I've liked Skyward Sword since launch, though. Even replayed it on Switch with the right stick controls and still liked it.
>>727581523Of course the gay homo fags on /v/ would hate on Skyward Sword. The game where Link was actually heterosexual and had sex with Zelda. Unlike in botw where they're just "friends"
>>727600153I legitimately and in all honesty do not understand why BotW was fellated so much. /v/ as a board had consistently shat on ubisoft open world design. Then nintendo copies the exact same design of their open world formula and suddenly open worlds are amazing now.
>>727596273I wouldn't exactly say the problem is that they're low effort, rather they're so large in scope to be nigh impossible to fill with meaningful content. For example TOTK's attempt to triple the world size was obviously doomed.
>>727581523Goes through development hell because Japan cannot into first-person unless it's a dungeon crawler in all honesty, a Metroid dungegon crawler spinoff sounds hella fun>Bamco is so mismanaged, Nintendo kicked them off and gave the game to Retro in an attempts of a salvage>Retro had to cancel some of their projects because of it>game is filled with "How do you do, fellow kids?!?!", such as "le open world maymay" and "quirky quippy companion(s)"Maybe Prime 4 should have been canceled.
>>727581820Ocarina of Time damaged the franchise for much longer.
>>727600287To be fair, it's not just Nintendo fans. This shit happens all the time.>The Witcher becomes open world slop after The Witcher 2>WOOOW, FINALLY, A GOOD OPEN WORLD GAME, THIS IS IT, THIS IS EVERYTHING YOU COULD WANT FROM AN OPEN WORLD GAME t. witcher fanboy>*Look inside*>It's ubislop>From Software releases open world slop with Elden Ring>WOOOW, FINALLY, A GOOD OPEN WORLD GAME, THIS IS IT, THIS IS EVERYTHING YOU COULD WANT FROM AN OPEN WORLD GAME t. played every souls game and bloodborne>*Look inside*>It's ubislopThe reason why it happened the most with Nintendo is that not only are they a fanbase that has a lot of its people be isolated in the fandom like Witcherfags and Soulsfags, but they're also isolated in consoles, so they didn't play nearly as much open world shit. There's probably genuinely people that shilled BOTW where that was the first open world game they ever played. The tired concept was still fresh to them.
>>727600287I think one of the biggest aspects of BotW that other games (even TotK) don't get is how it used lines of sight. No matter where you are in the game, you can always see a point of interest or a visually appealing landscape that makes you think "I want to go there". The game uses mountains, hills, and valleys to control what you can see at any given time while always making sure that you can see something worth moving towards. It's not something you really think about while you're playing and it's something that a lot of other devs tried to do both before and after it, but it's pulled off so well in BotW that I think it really influences how people think about the game. Totk even kind of messed this up by cluttering the sky with islands and making the Depths into a barren inversion of the surface, but it still does a better job of it than most other open world games post BotW. Elden Ring pulls it off pretty well but even games like Genshin struggle a lot with it.
>>727594027>Prime isn’t pushing anything, it’s a bank on nostalgia.100% Prime 4 is just too safe and bland, it's a half measure to something that could have been much better.
>>727599463there hasn't been a real new mario game in 8 years
>>727595903>You walk through Chozo Ruins like 4 different times before the game is done.You walk through four hallways until Chozo Ruins is done.
>>727596273At that point it's time to admit you've just gotten old, anon.
>>727581523That in itself is fine, the problem is that we could have reached this nadir a decade sooner and be in a better place by now.
>>727599628>The next Metroid will be fully open worldThat's what the game needed to be if it wanted to really wow people. Instead of this half measured mess we ended up with. The idea of even calling it Prime is silly, it should literally be a new subseries. It's ironic how these things go.
>>727600550Witcher 3 was sucked off for the writing, the open world there was just for the sake of immersion. If you removed the open world, the game is still great and arguably even better because the content density would be higher.Elden Ring is a good game but the open world drags it down in the same way because the content is too spread and too much of it is copypastad for the sake of filling space. The biggest thing IMO is that the massive open worlds kill replay value. They becomes games good for exactly 1 playthrough.
>>727600287>I legitimately and in all honesty do not understand why BotW was fellated so much.You never will because you're actually incapable of it. You're just going to have to suck it up.
>>727595903Prime 1 is linear because it has dev intended backtracking. You WILL be going through magmoor caverns 6+ times in the first couple hours because they padded it out by having powerups on the complete opposite sides of the world for no reason. I'm guessing that when they were trying to emulate super they forgot that the backtracking in super is only really a thing when you don't know where the fuck you are going on a first playthrough. Where as in prime you will always have to go through magmoor caverns 4 times in a row for the boost ball -> space jump boots -> wave beam bit. It's also not the only time the game has in built backtracking you can't ignore.
>>727600659>I think one of the biggest aspects of BotW that other games (even TotK) don't get is how it used lines of sight.100% everywhere in that game is a screenshot worthy moment. The only other game that felt like that to me off the top of my head is Witcher 3
>BOTW killed Nintendo What happened to the company I loved?
>>727601180Open world is what makes Witcher 3 work. I'm sorry you approach the game like a robot.
>>727601192Super and Prime 2 did really well in having a new ability that enables you to loop back to a previous area through a new area to proceed to a new area.
>>727581523Skyward Sword is actually interesting with fun dungeons.There are flaws like every game since OOT but whatever.Metroid Prime Beyond, from what I've played so far, is completely soulless. Prime has always lived or died (for me) based on atmosphere of exploring an alien world. It doesn't really capture that here.
>>727601479prime 2 fixes a lot of the problems with prime 1 and is pretty much the ideal sequel. My only real problem with it is the bad area color pallet compared to prime 1's more variable areas.
>>727601586>My only real problem with it is the bad area color pallet compared to prime 1's more variable areas.Personally, I thought the more consistent color pallet made the world feel a bit more cohesive than it did in Prime. My only gripe with Echoes is that there are a lot of loading screens to wait through. I guess I didn't care for the gimmick in the final Dark Samus fight either, but that's getting really nitpicky.
>>727601586Prime 2 didn't have a fair shake because Prime 1 got the high contrast token areas.
>>727595368>Sister ate my homework >:)Please turn around and Heely away.
>>727598836Hating Skyward Sword is quintessential /v/ culture, there's only just now pushback about it because the zoomers who played it when they were 8 have grown up and are nostalgic for their precious childhood memories i.e. the Zelda cycle in full swing.
>>727581523I like Skyward Sword and always did even when it came out. Basically I echo the take >>727601541 made. I also have no desire to get Prime 4. Just playing the demo was enough for me to seal that and nothing I've read or seen online have moved me to change my mind.
I ignored all the fuss, thinking it's modern shock discourse and that the game is probably gonna be good... But I just finished to the drivers certificate shit and I'm killing myself and taking down Retro studios with me
I have just two big questions about this game:>Has Sylux’s sex been revealed?>If yes, is Sylux a woman too?
>>727600080Go back to r/thedonald election tourist KWAB
>>727602418Nevermind, I didn't finish it, there's a second part to it...
>>727600467Ocarina of Time is like RE4. Great in a vacuum, but we’re feeling the effects of what it ruined to this day.
>>727600416>MaybeThere was a timeframe to try and make Prime 4 happen. That timeframe was 2010-2012. All notions of a Prime 4 should have been abandoned after that point.
>>727602175assblasted
>>727583551It's OOT.You just forgot about those rocks you could life in the great field and descend into a hole.
>>727601541Then you should be scanning more stuff. The lore in Prime 4 is honestly some of the very best. Did you know one of the first enemies you encounter are fallen Lamorn people? no of course not, you're a faggot.
>>727602495I cannot believe they thought a game-long escort missions was a good idea in RE4.
>>727602731Unless they were going to bring back Dark Samus and reveal she was a Lamorn who could be saved. I am inclined to agree.
>>727602436Sylux was confirmed to be a guy like ten years agohttps://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/17/e3-2015-what-metroid-primes-producer-wants-in-the-next-sequel
>>727603838I find it so funny that Prime 4's little iconography is being compared to BOTW and not OOT. I swear every zealot fan of the game is playing a fully imagined bubble and is far removed from OOT actuality.
>>727603379Blasting shit in your direction.
>>727581523Does this game work on the Switch emulators yet?
>>727581820Correct, you only need to read the replies to your post.
>>727602436he's a textbook incel, just like /v/ memed about
>>727581523Skyward sword didn’t have levels this shit.
>>727581523Why not just play Halo? Clearly this is trying to go for that audience anyway and Prime 4 Beyond just wants to be Halo Reach or something, so why not play that instead?
>>727605603nice memberberries gramps, but I think you're missing someone
>>727605939>norionbro thats the second part of the tutorial. flare pool is in the LATTER HALF OF THE GAME. you cant enter past the bridge until you've got 60% of the major items.
you're telling me samus looks like THIS, yet they keep her in that hunk of metal for all her games?!?? desu, tgese gamws deserve to flop.
>>727606503This has been public knowledge for almost 40 years.
METROID IS A WOMAN!?!?!?1 WOOKEE GARBAGEEE
>>727582382any tips for the stutters when loading rooms?
>>727581523To be safe I decided to check out a streamer play the beginning hour and I gotta say this shit is really unappealing. They completely fail to build an atmosphere thanks to constant cutscenes.
>>727607539Same, it runs well in rooms but stuttering between doors is kind of making me want to wait to play it
>hype up Sylux as the new big bad for over a decade>turns out he's just a retard that defied orders and got his whole team killed, so now he's butthurt and hates Samus because reasonsEven Dark Samus wasn't this much of a let down. Damn.
>>727609583Syluxfags should be livid and I pray that they leave the rest of the Hunters cast dead if this is the best they can do.
Botw killed all of Nintendo’s franchises and I’m tired of pretending it didn’t.
>>727609803>SyluxfagsThat's a thing?
>>727581820>All these seething tendietardsGive it another 5 years when Nintendo makes a Mario game like this format and everyone will lose their mind.
>>727610969I'm sure someone mained him in Hunters.
>here, have a free Energy TankFFFFFFFFFUCKING FUN-FOR-ALL BABY SHIT MADE FOR MODERN GAMERSI AM PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF BEATING YOUR STUPID GAME ON 99 ENERGY.
>>727612691no you aren't
>>727613457Well at least let me try. Don't decide for me that 198 is and forever will be the minimum amount of energy you will have at any given time.
>>727613579>2025>expecting autonomy from video games with a budget
>>727581820botw ruined zelda, but it's a bit of a stretch to say it ruined anything else. that being said I still like it. fuck totk though.
On google trends it's hitting much harder than Air Riders or Hyrule Warriors did, still not enough data to see if it's getting searched as much as DK but probably. It's not like google searches = sales but I think this game will do fine at least, I don't see it bombing. Being cross gen is probably helping a lot with the switch 1's massive 155m sales base.
Is Metroid 4 running on any Switch emulator yet?
>>727612691Heh, that's kind of Skyward Sword-y too. Skyward was the first game that gave you six hearts right out of the gate.
guys, we can fix the game with AI.
i'd rather play chibi robo on the gamecube classics than this bastardization of metroid.
>pointless open world>annoying NPCsbut the biggest sin of all:>LINEAR level design and generic hubswhat the fuck is this game, it isn't even metroid. there is no big map to unlock gradually with new skills.
>>727606503Honestly, I would Buy a Metroid game that was just Samus in her Zero suit, maybe a military uniform on top cause her powersuit is stolen or something.
>>727609583If they were gonna do some military backstory for Sylux, It should have been back when Samus was actually serving for the federation and have them actually know each other. The only issue with that approach is that they would have to acknowledge Other M for 2 minute's.
>>727581523Skyward Sword was a good game with flaws, most of which were fixed in the remaster.This is Borderlands made by Ubisoft.
Is there an emulator where the scan visor works properly? On Eden, the targeting boxes flicker and it keeps targeting random objects, even ones directly behind me or behind walls. If I increase the resolution to 2x, all the targeting boxes disappear and it won't let me scan anything.
>>727581820The only thing BOTW did was fry that hack Miyamoto's senile brain into thinking that every Nintendo game from now on had to be exactly like it, even fucking Mario Kart.The damage to gaming as a whole from the open-world formula had already been done long before BOTW came out. Remember, normalfags hated Skyward Sword for not being Skyrim. BOTW itself was a symptom, not the root cause.
>>727581670Another bad analogy. Lightning Returns was a good game that had the misfortune of being shackled to a terrible game (XIII) and a middling one (XIII-2) that you had to play before it. Prime 4 is just awful. Full-blown shovelware that manages to make Other M look good in comparison.
>>727613738sure anon, its just a coincidence that ever since BOTW every mainline nintendo franchise has gone open world. The only reason there isn't an open world 3D Mario is because there hasn't been a 3D Mario.
>>727595875>It was legitimately something fresh and new at the timeOnly for hardcore Nintendo-only fans who had never touched an open-world game (other than maybe Xenoblade X) before it. The market had already been oversaturated with games exactly like BOTW since the mid-2000s.>I think most Zelda fans are now asking for Nintendo to go back to the OoT style gameplayZelda fans never wanted the series to abandon the old gameplay in the first place. The problem is that we are outnumbered by the BOTW normalfags who have never touched a pre-BOTW Zelda game, never will, and will continue throwing money at the new garbage. The best we can hope for is an occasional 2D game (I actually prefer 2D Zelda, so that's fine for me, but others don't and they're getting screwed).
>>727617460People hated Skyward Sword for the same reason people are now hating Prime 4>Fuckhuge hub world that's way too big for its own good and makes you spend way too much time in it doing nothing just to pad out the runtime>Your companions are constantly yapping in your ear like annoying pieces of shit, but they're handholding you like a toddler and telling you to do shit you already figured out before they called>Super dumbed down dungeons for retards because you're a retard for having bought the game>Puzzles are exclusively "do you have the item yet or not," no actual thought is ever required here>Focus on gimmick gameplay because the game's gotta have a gimmick but they ran out of legit gimmicks a while agoTime is a circle
>>727617632Every nintendo franchise isn't "everything". I wouldn't even say every nintendo franchise is really correct. Metroid having the desert and shrines is obvious, and pokemon being open world I guess could be attributed to botw, but what else is there? Fire Emblem isn't open world as far as I know, neither is kirby, or mario, or the new DK game.
>>727601180>They becomes games good for exactly 1 playthrough.Even the first playthrough of an open world game already feels like a replay at this point, since you've seen everything this genre has to offer once you've played one of them. Not to mention it's still bloated, boring and tedious in just the one playthrough.
>>727581523Can't wait for Metroid 5 in the year 2035
>>727601541I'll even defend Skyward Sword's overworlds too. It's the 3D Zelda that comes the closest to what I've always liked about the overworld design in 2D Zeldas like Link's Awakening. They should have just kept the Skyward Sword formula in future games, fixed the bits and pieces that annoyed people, and ignored the mouthbreathers who wanted Skyrim.
>>727618247It's especially shameful in Prime 4 because they didn't even try to pad the game out with meaningful content. Who the hell asked for racing segments in a Metroid game?
>>727613738I wish Botw would ruin the rest of Nintendo's fanchises. I want a Mario, a Kirby, and a Starfox ruined especially.
>>727618109>People hated Skyward Sword...because it wasn't Skyrim. I was there. You obviously weren't old enough yet to remember.
>>727618715Yeah no lol, the big memes on /v/ were shitting on Fi and the waggle controls. You're a fucking fake poser bro.
>>727586907pretty much how I feel. It’s the okayest 7/10 I’ve ever played but for a much-anticipated Metroid it may as well be a piece of shit. If they had focused less on stupid Feds and the gay bike and more on making the maps more interconnected this could have been something truly special. Feels incomprehensibly dogshit when just as I’m finally getting immersed again these fags radio me.
>>727618623Me, I wanted to race around a Metroid game honestly.
>>727618181mario kart went open worldmario 3d already experimenting with open world in bowsers furybananza is small open worlds stacked on each other
>>727618714Open-world Kirby would be a disaster even by the open-world genre's dismal standards. Either the entire bloated map would be trivialized by Kirby's flight, or it would have to nerf his flight like Smash and Kirby 64 did, at which point you might as well just make a different IP.
>>727619028i dont think its impossible to make an open world that would be engaging with flight.however, the devs would actually have to be innovative and creative instead of just copying every other open world slop game, so it won't ever happen
>>727618964>mario kart went open worldtrue>mario 3d already experimenting with open world in bowsers furypossibly, but unless the next mario game is actually open world we can't say that for sure. >bananza is small open worlds stacked on each otherthose are called levels, you may as well call mario 64 an open world game at that point. and even if you want to claim that it counts as an open world game it isn't similar to botw in any way.
They should've remastered 2, 3, and Hunters instead.
>>727618943Would have been nice if one game had you flying her spaceship, too bad nintnedo doesn't have another franchise for flying spaceships...
>>727619028Nah, just give Kirby an air rider.
>>727621283Been saying a while Starfox needs the Totk treatment. Three map layers, surface, atmosphere, and space. Plenty of opportunity for a successor to Adventure married with traditional SF64 on rails shooting, or races.
>>727618964can't believe mario 64 is an open world game
>>727582381BOTW is a western style game retard lol still in denial
Ok besides the desert and I don't have any issues with the npcs, everything else has been a blast as I am 10 hours in. The hate for this game is wild.
>>727593296Quick someone spend $70 so you’re allowed to have an opinion!
>>727623613you shut your whore mouth
>beat first boss in jungle areaHoly shit, was that it? Felt completely railroaded through that and before I knew it, it's over. Please tell me the levels are less linear later in...
>>727581820You're retarded
>>727623721
>>727596014Yup still in denial lol
>>727581523no, this is metroid's BotW moment, their skyward sword moment was other M
>>727623613>I don't have any issues with the NPCsOpinion discarded. Go back to your marvel movies.
>>727623783yeah but the non-linearity really stems more from the hubworld between all the regions. you do a linear place I guess, and then you drive to another location, figure it out before Myles tells you though.
>>727596589>sadHe says as he emotionally replies
What the fuck was that final boss? 2/3 of the phases were genuine dogshit. The last last 1/3rd of it was good, but holy fuck it's like a fever dream boss that sounds like a joke>Tentacle Sylux that spouts dragon heads while you fight them with your squad with terrible lock on>Some clunky Ridley fall sequence esque trip through space and time>Fight him properly solo on a galaxy disk or whatever that was. At least it was the only fun partOverall, what a wet fart of a game. The map design was fucking awful and where the fuck were the new upgrades? There are less upgrades than in other prime games and you barely do anything with any of your upgrades. Oh, and where the fuck where the morph ball puzzles? Genuinely puzzled what Retro was doing during these 6 years because the game is pretty much a mess. It looks and controls nice (outside the desert/bike), but the map layout, story and pacing is just frustrating.They never explained anything related to Sylux or Metroids, it all gets memory holed after the starting segment. I have genuinely no idea what happened with the plot as Metroid seemed to have been forgotten and slapped to fuse with bosses which all came prefused after the tutorial boss lmao. 0 real Metroids in the game, you never fight any lmao
>>727623971I think I will !
>>727623783It's going to be railroaded for the rest of the game. The map design genuinely sucks
>>727591378>ban evasion>mentally ill and fighting against no oneMaybe you are simply... not wanted?
>>727598653You can admit you love bisexual lighting btw
>>727623783No, sorry dude. I think the 2nd and 3rd areas are great in a vacuum but the whole game really is like this. This isn't a Metroid Prime game, its a single player shooter with adventure elements that happens to look, sound, and play exactly like Prime. If you want mazes or layered level design, get out now.If you want a good single player shooter, also get out now because it's still built like Prime 1. Bosses are great but 0 weapon variety, 0 enemy variety, and because its a Metroid game it's filled with items you need to backtrack for just BECAUSE its a Metroid game. Old Prime games had this too but literally 90% of the items are just "come back with later upgrade in this room", you're never going to new parts of old areas. All the puzzley rooms that SHOULD be there are now shrines in the desert.
>>727605118Nah that’s just the shit blasting from you Switch screen that’s hitting you in the face, quick do a morph ball!
>>727615379Based chibo robo
>>7275932969/10 gameThen you have to collect the mech parts and the crystal and it drops to a 3/10. Pure unfiltered dogshit. You can also see the influence from the halo devs, there's more fighting and less exploring, less environmental story telling and more cutscenes with NPCs that shouldn't even be there, shit sux yo
>>727623783>Please tell me the levels are less linear later in...I don't know how to tell you this without it hurting a lot but...it does not get any better
>>727581523>Metroid'sMetroid PRIME isn't Metroid, shithead. An actual Metroid game came out in 2021.
>>727581820I love how this post brought tendies to madness so effortlessly.If they never acted like Ubislop game design suddenly becomes amazing once you slap the nintendo label on it, this would never happen.
>>727581523>backtracking over and over through areasyou have always had to backtrack in metroid games you stupid nigger. this is a non complaint.
>>727624998Prime 1 was more of an actual metroid game than Fusion or Dread were
>>727624939You literally are bitching about exploration, you twat.
>>727624939I think it's like a 8.5 until the end of the ice area, then drops to a 7.5 in the lava area and then to a 6.0 in the mines. The ending fetch quest is genuinely the worst fetch quest in all four games. I don't think the director of this game had any idea how to make a proper Metroid game and it shows. Funny (or sad) thing is that the whole game feels so disconnected and slapped together. Nothing really gets resolved in the dogshit plot and they just kinda forget about Metroids even existing
>>727581820No, Retro are lazy shits that didn't know how to utilize it properly. Nintendo should have kept that whip on them.
Was Skyward Sword that bad?
>>727625206Crashing into crystal is not exploring you bingusbongus
>>727581820BoTW didn't have a hub world and marvel quips
>>727625152Prime 1 was linear as shit. Dread has actual sequence breaks the devs didn't go back to lock up. It's a Metroid game through and through. I'm not going to argue on Fusion, that was the anti-Metroid game and I'm getting sick and tired of babies trying to act like that piece of shit was a REAL Metroid game. It was a Metroid game made for babies. I wish the sequels to Prime 1 were more like it and expanded on what it did over being gimmick slop machines.
>>727600184>i hate japan but still post about japanese games on an anime websitewhy?
>>727625297It was just kind of "there". It didn't do much wrong, but it also didn't do much right. The repetitive nature of going to an area, doing dungeon looking for Zelda and then later coming back to use the song and entering the "stillness" or whatever was just kind of blah. Then the dungeon for the flames. It had some good ideas, but it was barred by the checklist of things that you had to do to get to them. Prime 4 does a lot of the same shit.
>>727625345You have to literally explore to find them you retard
>>727625491>>727625152
>>727581523This purple tranny garbage shouldn't be compared to Skyward Sword. People only hated that game because of the Wiimote plus
>>727625752>fusion at topkys you cum guzzling faggot
>>727625752>Superfag likes FusionEvery time. If you were a real Metroid fan, you would see that Fusion is where it fell off. Metroid 1, 2, Super, ZM, SR, and Dread are all better than Fusion. Only mainline game Fusion is better than is Other M, but that isn't saying much.
>>727581523Metroid has always had only like two good games. It's a shit franchise overall
>>727593697>skeleton;gay;half(no reproductive organs)
>>727594403its a crime that minish cap did so poorly. Was it just too late in the gba lifecycle?
fusion hate is unwarranted
>>727581523>>a few good set piece areas despite the majority of the game being badAll reviews point to the exact opposite, wtf are you on about? It's an amazing game with the majority being excellent, with a few nagging areas dragging things down. The desert is the main problem. Game should be closer to an 87 in my mind. Perhaps a full point taken off for the desert, since that is a large part of the game that should have been redesigned, then minor points for the handholding, but it's a smaller problem than initially thought.
>>727626585It's pretty warranted. If you played the classic trilogy before it, you'll see it as a massive departure. Zero Mission, Samus Returns, and Dread hurt it more because they're more of the classic Metroid experience that Fusion was completely lacking. Fusion was too different and went too far while using story as a means to gut most of the gameplay and permanently lock you out of places.
What was the point of giving the last suit upgrade 15 minutes before the game ends?
>>727594926A ton of the exact same stuff to be exact, eventually you just stop caring about the small stuff because you know it'll just be more of the same.
>>727626802>the game doesn't have a single problem with it, only snoys would hate it, it's a masterpiece!Look at you trying to downplay the game's issues. even if someone complained about the desert, you'd call them a tranny who hates fun.
>>727581523>Metroid's Skyward Sword momentOh boy, 20 years of open world sloptroid with no unlockable upgrades past the tutorial area and weapons like ice beam have to be scavenged off enemies and they break. I can't wait.
>>727626037>you would see that Fusion is where it fell offif you were a Metroid fan you would know the original is underrated, the sequel was dogshit, Super is perfect, Prime is alright, Prime 2 fixed it, Fusion is great, Dread is ok, Zero Mission is overrated
>>727617460Miyamoto stopped making any decisions with zelda games after skyward sword, dumbass.
>>727625297No, people just were already sick of motion controls when it came out, that put people off it
>>727627908Metroid II was a disappointment compared to Metroid 1, but it was more of a Metroid game than Fusion and offered more freedom of choice of where you wanted to go to find different Metroids within an area. Fusion is a linear hallway in comparison, especially with the Japanese release.
>>727581523Skyward Sword has good dungeons. The maps in this are shit.
>>727628568There's a difference between the JP and US version?
>>727629174Yeah, when a sequence break that was already locked down was discovered in the US version, they completely locked it down in the Japanese version so no one could use it again by changing the layout of the room you need to use the Diffusion Missiles for the first time.
>>727628568If I pay more could I maybe have less freedom than Metroid 2 and more solid gameplay like Fusion
Just beat it with 100% items, the game is dogshit. Holy fuck. It goes from an 8.5 at the start to like a 6/10. The last quarter of the game is fucking horrendous. The NPCs do NOT go away and infact become main characters for the last quarter of the game. I thought they all died in the mine but I guess we couldn't all be that lucky.Also, what's with the bike? This was the perfect opportunity to give Samus speed booster and shine spark in a 3D game and instead they give you a shitty bike no one asked for. The powerups in general are very boring, you don't even get screw attack.
>>727593697>if you see these colors it means that you need to hate crusade>has to contextualize with random wiki bullshit because nobody knows what the fuck you're talking about or doesn't buy itThe only thing stopping you from being a full blown games journalist is the fact you're posting on /v/ for free instead of grifting xitter
>>727631449Does this piece of shit deal with time travel?
>>727625345@grok, rewrite this post to make it sound like Pekora herself said it.
>>727581820Both are bad, and you Wii and onward faggots are cancer. Fuck gimmickfags, and fuck open world fags. There is no filter, your games aren't hard, they're low bar quality and you'll both always continue to move the goalpost and pretend your games both didn't fucking contribute to the death of Zelda.
>>727631449>The NPCs do NOT go away and infact become main charactersOH NO, anyway,
>>727632878Why are you damage controlling for characters that are being forced into a game series that is about isolation, atmosphere, and exploration? Why are you pretending this direction for metroid is good? Are you a marketer? Are you actually braindamaged or paid to be stupid and damage control for a corporation that isn't your friend?Are your standards really so low, or ADHD so far advanced, that you need constant stimulation from outside sources in a game series that is supposed to be about being a lone adventurer?
>>727633113I'm sorry whatever happened to you bro
Been playing the game for a few hours and all the criticism is true but I'm still having fun.But whoever was in charge of colour-coding scan visor targets should be shot.
>>727593430>>727599687>>727617579You're all wrong, 13-2 was the only decent game of the three and LR was a shitty follow up that shat all over the story and had a terrible gameplay system that just amounted to spamming all your skills and then swapping to the next set.
>>727633843Shill or actual retarded Nintentoddler? Which?
>>727605118okay SAAARRRRRR
>>727605939>3 branching paths after main corridorvs>1 linear path no branches anywherePrime 4 can't even compete with Prime 3's dogshit it's still on an entire different level
>>727605939that's legitimately better.
>>727612691I was kind of scratching my head why that was even there. It's a forced pickup that you can't avoid, you lose it immediately after the intro level when Samus once again vomits all her powers away in a suit malfunction, and there's no meaningful threat escalation or other good reason within the intro level itself that I can see necessitating it. If you want the intro level boss' attacks to do a certain fraction of Samus' lifebar, they could have just scaled it for one bar instead of two.
>>727581820I don't deny that it ruined everything by warping Nintendo's game design around itself, even for games/genres where it's unwelcome, I merely deny the insistance that it's at all bad. BotW is a great, but flawed game. I stand by that to this day.
>>727638227tutorializing the mechanic for people who have never played a metroid (target audience)
>>727624939>9/10 game>Then you have to collect the mech parts and the crystal and it drops to a 3/10. Pure unfiltered dogshit.So just like Prime 1 when you get to the endgame artefact hunt?
>>727638382...In the middle of a heavily scripted sequence where the player is also expected to pay attention to what's happening down on the floor below them? I mean sure, you're probably 100% right, but why do it in the intro level in such a way.
why do the japanese get these cool trinkets, they don't even care about metroid, sell this stuff in america
I could have designed a better rough draft of the map design and better powerup placements in a week, tops.
>>727638659lack of effective playtesting + lack of communication between teams i'd guess?
>>727612691Dread lets you play the entire game without picking up an extra energy tank
>>727638760Plus arm cannon is a fun idea
>>727599730>say 2+2 = 5>20 people tell you that you're wrong>"heh... look at all those thoughtless SHEEP. i'm a true free thinker"
Should have gave us a game where Samus hangs with Chief
Skyward Sword (the switch version with normal controls) is good THOUGH. Best boss fights in the series, and fun dungeons.
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>>727596273Monster Hunter isn't Monster Hunter anymore as well.Same goes for Guilty Gear.Works also for Assassins creed lmao.I feel like barely any current franchise that is older than 20 years old looks like their first instalment.
>>727581523or maybe you're just a tranny and have nintendo derangement syndrome
>>727581820HOLY BASED
>>727581820Skyward Sword was the first TRASH mainline Zelda game. Breath of The Wild was TRASH also you are correct.
>>727600912Wonder?
>>727632587>Wii and onward faggots It really is Cubies and Snoys shitposting in these threads, huh
>>727581820Breath of the Wild was an innovative game, but I hated it at the time and I still hate it now. And I was right. Breath of the Wild was a tech demo, not a game.
>>727606503you stupid assholes
im emulating the game and I keep crashing in the volt forgeany advice for settings?
>>727581523playing this on Citron and it works but it crashes. Is there a fix?
>>727606503Anime samus is offmodel trash
>>727649856>>727650296Buy a switch
>>727650451I have one but I'm too lazy to transfer it.
>>727650451haha, paypig loser
>>727581523I don't disagree but so far I prefer this to Skyward Sword
>>727650359cope
>>727642082Do you still look like you did 20 years ago?
>>727628434Never forget that Link was canonically left-handed before Waggle Sword forced him to be a righty.
>>727639143Most Metroid games do (though apparently I forgot Prime 3 wasn't one of them so this series has had previous).
>>727638227No, you keep the Energy Tank after being warped to Viewros. She also keeps the Charge Beam and Morph Ball.
>>727652923>Hold Wiimote in my left hand anywayMuahuahua
>>727600287/v/ is a Nintendo board.
>>727582382Any tips on the game getting super choppy at the start of Volt Forge for Citron?
>>727581615woah now, samus is white and not brown so its all good
>>727632106TEEMEEEE
Am I crazy for thinking all of the rooms feel really cramped and small?
>>727581523No, that was Other M.This is Metroid's Tears of the Kingdom moment. Or Breath of the Wild moment - assuming it becomes the best-selling Metroid game. A bad outcome, either way.>>727625461Skyloft was the hub world, anon....
>>727655389>This is Metroid's Tears of the Kingdom moment. Or Breath of the Wild moment - assuming it becomes the best-selling Metroid game. A bad outcome, either way.You should see the famitsu threads. Idiot fanboys are already defending the game as a 10/10 masterpiece.
It's literally shovelware with a budget. Calling it a 6/10 is generous, more like 5/10.
>>727655791But don't you like the wacky marvel quips that make it feel like an avengers movie? You must be a snoy if you don't appreciate the kino.
>>727581523It kind of started with MP3. But yeah we are never getting something like MP1/2. Fucking grim.
>>727594737>The real reason she never talks is no one cam understand her thick Irish accent
>>727599675Ice Belt is the best part of the game by far
Is hard mode worth it?
>>727655858The Marvel shit is to make way for the upcoming cinematic universe plans - AKA, a Metroid movie or streaming adaptation. It's the same reason why they got rid of Link's cap and put an excessive focus on Zelink - to appeal to the YA crowd for movie/streaming appeal.
>>727612691I think that was there purely because of the attack Sylux does that steals one of your energy tanks.
>>727627080I like how it makes Samus' ass look
>>727639194I'd fuck it.
>>727605939>>727605603All of you are retarded, the more apt comparison is Magmoor Caverns which is a straight fuckin line. Tourists, the lot of you.
Who did it better /v/?
>>727657014The difference is Magmoor has more than one entrance. You explore different parts of it gradually as you enter from different areas. You don't walk through, grab a key and then leave.
Are we allowed to actually talk about the game yet?
boy I love worthless NPCs in my metroid game!>>727657016zelda game was actually fun though.
>>727657014It isn't an apt comparison because it's an outlier.Also its function as a connecting zone is more interesting than anything Prime 4 zones do
I was genuinely enjoying the game until the final third. The Desert is just bad, and having to fight a boss there in addition to mindnumpingly gathering green crystals really brings it down. Also, is it just me or did the mines "protect" the NPC sequences just seem to drag on forever? It's like a 7/10 game overall.
>>727657207If by "talk about it" you mean "slavishly suck it off", then no, because it's so obviously a bad game that even the fanboys are struggling to do that.
>>727657528What makes it bad? I'm enjoying it so far.
>>727657507>Also, is it just me or did the mines "protect" the NPC sequences just seem to drag on forever?The one where Quirk Chungus was on the digger took way too long. I just cheesed it with the second upgrade for the thunder shot because I got bored.
>>727643906>Skyward Sword was the first TRASH mainline Zelda game.wind waker is worse
>>727657715Based knower.
>>727581523Nintenigs defend literally anything.
>>727657790>100% the game to unlock music but during the game in the boring ass desert it's silent otherwise
>>727655389>assuming it becomes the best-selling Metroid gameIt won’t.
>>727657563Besides the twin dead horses of the tedious open world and tonally incongruous NPCs, there's the fact that it doesn't at all innovate on the Prime or "Metroidvania" formula, and, in fact, regresses in parts. It doesn't have anything to "say" on the matter; it's just procedural and soulless.
>>727657563You calling people snoys definitely doesn't speak to the game's qualities. When they can't even criticize the NPCs without you calling them a tranny or telling them to kill themselves, you're really not helping discussion.
>>727624007It's pretty clear they only included Sylux out of a perceived obligation to pay off the Prime 3 100% ending.
>>727657790>You can unlock Vader eventually in Battlefront 2. Why is everyone complaining about the loot boxes?
If you're a true Metroid fan you should be legitimately insulted by this game and hate it with a burning passion.
>>727658383I have played Prime 1-3, Super, ZM, AM2R, Dread, and SR. And you know what? MP4B...is a good game.
>>727656525It's time we acknowledged 3 was treated too harshly1 > 3 & 2 >>>>>>> 4
>>727658523>all of those older metroid games were bad because there wasn't enough story and NPCS to talk to, isolation is le bad!Doesn't sound like you played them to me.
>>727658656I have no idea who that is. >>727658781A good game is a good game, anon.
you guys are way too harsh, MP4 isn't a bad game at all. It's not great but it's Ok. Obviously it's not the best metroid either and stands more on the lower end, but there are a lot of game series that would love to have that sort of game as their revival
>>727658901>>727658882Really not earning your paycheck today, shills.
>>727658901it's shit cause it isn't metroid, there are isolated "levels" and no interconnected map, just a shitty desert with nothing.
>>727658901>you guys are way too harshStopped reading there, refuse to read further. Either develop some semblance of standards or leave this hobby all together
>>727658523You're a dumb slave who hates himself.
So is it better or worse than Prime 3, because that's as mediocre as I'm willing to handle
>>727659376I'm not sorry that I can enjoy things despite their flaws.
>>727659623I'd say it's about the same it just sucks in different ways.
>>727658901Just OK is not acceptable for a game in development for this long.
>>727657016So is there a lore reason why Sylux can do this now.
>>727659693But you can't even acknowledge that someone might just not like the game. Nooo, you call them a snoytranny and tell them to kill themselves.
>>727625752Here's mine
>>727625752>>727660008Why is Fusion not in the same rank as Other M? Metroid is not supposed to be a Telltale games walking sim.
>>727659976The fact that most of the complaints are about one guy and nothing else. It kind of shows that most have not played the game, and their criticisms lack merit. It's like complaining that a car is ruined because the paint isn't the color you wanted, but everything else is fine.
>>727659976Says the person who insults and is hostile to people who have different opinions you don’t agree with, all the time yourself. You are the pot calling the kettle black, and are not in a position to be using this argument without making yourself look bad in the process.
>>727659623I think it's much worse than Prime 3. 3 had its flaws but it was still a metroid game. there was still exploration, and the lore was really well written.
>>727660008>Samus Returns that highnigga
>>727581523Except it isn't the best entry in the series
>>727660204>>727660180>The fact that most of the complaints are about one guy and nothing else.Are you kidding me? Did you miss the complaints about the desert? How the bike feels shoehorned in? How there's NOTHING to explore? How they shove in yet another boring artifact hunt to pad out playtime? Or did you just miss the obvious other attempts at padding out playtime, like how the game will give you powerups, but you can't use them until you backtrack to Miles so he can install them, and only then are you allowed to actually use them. Is that really the hill you want to die on?
>>727660394The bike is fine, and its a desert, dude. Ever been to one? Whole, not a lot in em besides sand. The desert does feel a bit lackluster, but its still decent enough, and the end of game fetch quest is in every metroid prime game.
>>727602436Unfortunately no, I too was hoping for a woman as well.He's a human guy and he has a raspy, angry edgelord voice like he wants force Samus to suck his dick. No face reveal.
>>727609583It seems like half the story is missing, because he clearly knew something about the weapon no one else knew and we have no idea how he got the armor.
>>727660092>Why is Fusion not in the same rank as Other M?Because I enjoyed it.>>727660342>niggadas rite
>>727657014>picks the one zone of the game that is a literal series of caves>Look its linear!!!!fuck you diingenuous troglodytte
>>727660542>can't actually defend the elements>just trivial appeals
>>727605939>>727657014>Magmoor CavernsMiddleman to facilitate travel between major areas after the first Chozo Ruins trip>NorionVertical slice planet of Prime 3 whose only purpose after its narrative and tutorial setup is dotting out postgame item collection>Flare PoolA major area of Prime 4 where Samus finds the fourth key, two GF survivors, and also the last golem part
>>727657016>missile 100>only 8 energy tank>half of it is already gone and he did not even 10% damage to the bossWhy does these people even play a metroid game?
>>727652923ok chris chan
Just beat the ice area and going again through the volt forge for the bike upgrade, at this point i feel like the music is the only thing keeping me going. I thought the NPCs and the fucking desert were going to be the worst parts of the game by far but i did NOT expect how shallow and uninteresting the main levels are, i never played Prime 3 so i don't know if it's par for the course compared to that game, but as a Prime 1 and 2 fag this is shocking to me
>>727661532Prime 3 was also very linear but it at least was better at given the illusion of choice.
It's ok when Nintendo does it.
>>727591491This doesnt work because millions upon millions of retards and children will ensure bottom of the barrel shit will stay on top because they cater to their extremely casual tastes perpetuated by mainstream tittles never evolving into anything beyond what is guaranteed to bring profits.
>>727660656Every single area is a linear hallway with at most a few rooms stuck to the sides besides Volt Forge. Volt Forge is basically just 3 vertical tower hallways, though.
>>727660542There are still ways you can make a desert more interesting than just making it a flat brown field of nothingness. Ruins, Oases, Pyramids, sandstorms.All of those things would have been more interesting than nothing but green crystals for you to smash into
>>727661532>hates the best areas of the gameoh no, bro, I have some bad news about the next few areas.
>>727662024no...
>>7276596234 makes 3 look like a masterpiece
>>727617241SS only fixed the controls and some of Fi's nagging, which were the least of the game's issues.
>>727581820>BotWfags will make any dishonest surface-level comparison they can to claim that it's a "Zelda 1-like" in order to have a false claim of seniority over the post-Z1 games>BotWfags will vehemently deny any comparison of BotW to Prime 4 because they're "surface level" (even though they're way more on the nose)
>>727658901>It's not great but it's Ok.people have been waiting for this game for 20 years. "Ok" just doesn't cut it.
>>727634543I'm going to complain about this again because this anger hasn't cooled.In the scan visor, objects can be different colours, which each mean different things:>yellow (progression, scanning this will affect the world in some way)>green (logbook entry, required for 100%)>blue (misc. lore text, only flavour)>grey (already scanned)This is good colour-coding, really helpful for letting you play the game. And it feels clear that at least some of the people making this game had this colour-coding in mind.But apart from grey the other three are completely mixed together. Sure, they vaguely tend towards those groupings, but every meaning appears in every colour (except maybe blue progression scannables).So if you want to 100% the game you're going to have to spend 4 seconds scanning each and every single useless blue, just in case.Bear in mind this was a solved problem in the earlier Prime games. The greatest minds at Retro got together to fuck up this simple solution. Thank you. We all deeply appreciate your efforts.
Requesting that anyone who played this gives me their tier list of Prime games so I can decide if I buy it or not.
>>727665379They had a perfect system and changed it for no discernable reason, very frustrating
>>727660551He’s literally me…
>>727638760Basketball Americans
>>7276658082 => 1 > Pinball > 3 > Hunters > 4Didn't play Federations
>>727666312That bad? Oof
>>727660008except Federation Force is actually a very good game, it's just not a "Metroid" game
>>727665379GREEN MEANS YOU ALREADY SCANNED THAT SHIT. WHY DID THEY CHANGE IT REEEEEEEEEEE
>>727666629That badWell, i guess it depends on what you value in a Prime game, if you're fine with a game that looks and sounds good and shooting at thing functions then sure Prime 4 is competent on a technical level. Anything beyond that is a misfire
