Post "potential games"
MGSV
phantasy star by sega
metroid prime 4
Potential the Hedgehog
Paladins
>>727628906sporeminecraft (mitigated a bit by mods at least)
>>727628906>>727630787I swear to god most of this POTENTIAL bullshit around 06 is from P-06 since that's actually a decent game. I doubt any of these potential glazers have played the original within recent memory.
My biggest potential game. The themes, the story, the art direction and the characters, it's all there for a fantastic game to be made from. They just clearly ran out of production time and had to ship something unfinished. Greatest tragedy of the playstation era.
>>727630158Great answer.
>>727628906Dragon’s Slogma 2
06 is still rooted in that era of treating Sonic like Kingdom Hearts. It's conceptually flawed.The best Sonic games are basically cool playable music videos, with just enough plot to keep things moving, and no more.
>>727631227I loved CC, besides the janky stat gain system.
>>727628906Empire EarthI have a big soft spot for it since I loved the campaigns when I was younger, I just love the concept of going from cavemen unga bunga to space age technology in a single game, but boy does it have issues. At least I get the fun of hearing the soundtrack turn up in random places.
>>727631102Fans mostly say this because they like the aura and hype moments of 06. "Oh, Silver is just like Trunks! Cool! Main villain looks like Shadow but super evil? Epic! And he kills Sonic?! No one has done that before!" That's the only reason why people care about remaking this dogshit game so much.
>>727631482>in that era of treating Sonic like Kingdom HeartsDidn't that era start with 06? The Adventure games had simple but solid plots and Heroes felt childish but still fitting for Sonic. I'll give you Shadow 05, it tried so hard to be serious it looped around to being silly.
>>727631790I thought it was because it was Adventure 3 and people want to prove that the Adventure formula isn't shit it's just the game that's shit. Rehabilitating the greatest failure to bear its standard seems like a reasonable endgoal in the scenario.
>>727631790>Fans mostly say this because they like the aura and hype moments of 06.True, every 06 glazer brings up the scene of Shadow taking off his inhibitors and it's always>BRO THE AURA THIS SO HYPE I'll admit that it's a cool moment but it doesn't save the game from being dogshit.
>>727630787>We wouldn't have gotten SilverIs this a argument? Is anyone capable of having any strong opinions on Silver if you don't want to fuck him? His personality is weak even for Saturday morning cartoon writing, the entire game's plot is about trying to convince you that he matters but he doesn't, and the most interesting thing about his concept is that games and comics until this day have to write excuses for the audience straight up asking "Why are you still here?"
>>727631831there was a slow drift.Aventure 1 is basically Sonic 3 with spoken dialogue. Adventure 2 cranked up the melodrama with the Shadow backstory. Shadow the Hedgehog went a step further. 06 went a step further. And then the dam broke, and people said "enough of this, just make a fun platformer like the early ones", and we got Unleashed and Colors(which were a necessary phase of course correction, whether people like it or not).
>>727632163Silver sucked ass back then and he sucks ass now, he will always be the least interesting addition to the cast for me and this is saying A LOT for the Sonic franchise, even when compared to games that came after
>>727631790I don't get why these people can't just watch Dragonball.They don't even want a video game. they just want this shit.
>>727628906What the fuck is zoomers and their "potential" bullshit?>bro this shitty piece of media wouldn't be shitty if it was goodYeah, no shit retard, doesn't change the fact that as it actually exists it's a pile of shit.
>>727633189It's a byproduct of trying to be positive in a culture that is dominated by pessimism but also dominated by really shitty art.Sonic 06 is unmitigated trash that only the people working on the OST showed up. Retards that weren't even alive in 2006 want to retroactively have opinions on it.
>>727632163I'm convinced they only created Silver because they didn't want to make Blaze playable as the only girl and non-hedgehog.
>>727633091That's how every modern Sonicfag is, they don't give a flying fuck about gameplay, they think the appeal of Sonic is the awful story and characters. It's why if you look at any Sonic community that isn't exclusively centered around the classic games, they're always talking about a comic or what character they'd like to fuck instead of the goddamn games.
Persona team making a serious dark fantasy game? What could possibly go wrong?!
REMINDER THAT ITS HAPPENING
>>727633486Oh, and I forgot to mention that this is why they whine about "the meta era" so much, because they don't care about the gameplay of Colors and Generations or anything else, they only care that Sonic stopped taking itself so seriously and put less focus on its story and that really pissed them off.
>>727633486Are they aware of Dragonball though? Are they aware of anime?If you want anime, there's a lot of better stuff out there than Sonic 06.
>>727632163Well, there was this one Silver fangirl that was infamous online back in the day>if you don't want to fuck him? oh nvm
>>727633189in this case, it's cope over the fact that they grew up with this era of Sonic, were enamored by it, probably didn't understand the degree to which it was mostly just questionable rip-offs of Dragonball, and even now that they know it's kind of a bad game, they can't let it go.They absolutely hate acknowledging that the Megadrive games are better, and were far more beloved in their heyday.
>>727633836They grew up with games like Sonic 06 so they're never going to abandon Sonic or even consider better things. They're like Pokemonfags in that regard.Well, they do like Dragon Ball, but from what I've seen it's because Sonicfags want to emulate /dbs/.
>>727633091>I don't get why these people can't just watch Dragonball.The crossing over of /sthg/ with /dbs/ was not a coincidence.
>>727633815From what I've seen of the storytelling in the current era (Frontiers and Shadow Generations), the "meta era" was better. At least it was generally concise, to the point, and focused on getting you right into the game, so you could play a video game.Current era story telling is characters drably reading from the Sonic wiki.>why yes, Knuckles. I do remember that time we defended the Master Emerald. Thank you for remembering this misadventure, old chum.>why yes, the space colony ARC is still in orbit, and the moon is still destroyed. Why did you ask?
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>>727633764so now it won't just be broken, but also soulvoid
>>727634493>implying Sonic 06 had any soul to begin with
Sonicbrowns…
>>727628906Wayfinder, it was basically the Darksiders mmolite I always wanted>nice character design, a little modern/calarts-y but generally hut the right notes for a hero-based game>weapons within a given class all had a unique skill, therefore a reason to not just take whatever has the best stats>procedural dungeons had potential to evolve into a proper roguelite mode compared to typical procgen games>bosses likewise had a lot of potential, but leaned a little too hard into bog-standard mmo design>severely undercooked in early access>shop was the only thing that didn't have major technical issues, creating the impression of a shitty cashgrab>got rugpulled by Digital Extremes right after early access launch
>>727633091Modern Dragon Ball is a shallow parody of its former self
>>727628906>peaks on chapter 3>everything after feels either rushed or experimental on the concept of "we wanted a experiment ways of doing less work">Hub world is a fucking chore to navigate and is designed like a overglorified apartment bulding>Combat is based on physics but the physics are utter shit
>>727633486Characters absolutely do play a big part in Sonic's appeal when you consider that its biggest rival is Mario, which is comparatively lacking in characters
>>727635362Forgot pic
>>727633361If the art was shitty, it'd be making less money. When quality drops, people spend less money, and that hasn't happened
>>727635673>When quality drops, people spend less money
You can feel the ambition being scaled back and the money running out with each episode.
>>727628906I mean, he's not wrong
>>727635435Yes, when they needed stuff like "play the game again but you can fly" or "play the game but you can climb walls". They already fucked up in the first 3D game when they said "play the game again but you can fly... Oh! You skipped 80% of the level by pressing a button"
>>727628906I think anons are forgetting that the dude already aknowledged that the game is bad
>>727631227The game is already good, it's unfinished but who cares it ends satisfying enough and is pretty fun to replay. Not a potential game.
>>727633091>don't get why these people can't just watch DragonballThey probably do, it's why they use the same arguments to defend GT.
>>727633764I'd only buy it if it were DMC with hedgehogs
>>727633480Not everything Silver related is an attack towards BlazeFrom what's know, they created Silver to cause Sonic Team needed to reuse some ideas from their cancelled physics based FPS game
>>727636435I would totally play a Sonic DMC spinoff if the combat was good. The boss fights in Frontiers felt like they were trying to tap into that cuhrayzee energy but the combat was too shallow to have the same energy. Maybe SEGA can get another studio to take the concept and full send it.
Silver was missing his final confrontation with Mephiles.After destroying Solaris, Mephiles should've done the Ghorahim thing and tried to remove Iblis from Blaze and start over, only to be stopped by Silver.
>>727633764That would be bigger disaster than the original 06's development.>everyone that left the franchise>handicapped by boost for years with less experience now in making Sonic in true 3D>it has become even more of Sega's safe franchise for easy money with lesser budgets, smaller staffs, and faster deadlines than the franchises they actually care about>Sonic Team is still self-conscious about game journalists and the game that made Sonic a joke coming back will make journos prepare the humiliation ritual early, making Sonic Team fall over themselves
Final Fantasy 14
>>727633091Sonic's entire appeal is its autism-captivating character designs, which is easy for them to digest. It's why decades of mediocre games haven't dented its popularity at all.
>>727635435Yeah, which is why Sonic is flourishing while Mario struggles to stay relevant.Oh wait.
>>727628906>concepts that I wish sonic team would bring backConcepts like... Sonic in a romance with a human girl and... uhh...Seriously though, what did he mean by this
>>727634632Easily second place behind FFXIII Versus for dangling something actually cool in a faked trailer just for it to be completely replaced by something so much more inferior.
>>727632163It's an argument that works because the scene where Shadow roundhouse kicks him is still arguably the funniest moment in the franchise
>>727637526>heavensward job design is samey but fun enough>stormblood starts moving things in the right direction, jobs have meaningful (if sinple) mechanics and start moving into niches>raidniggers shit themselves on cooldown because of dumb microscopic skill expression like SAM Meditate fishing or MNK's Anatman opener>streamline everything in ShB, fuck you your job meter is just a glorified cooldown now>do nothing to fix it, just vomit out shiny finishers for three expansions in a rowparseniggers get the rope
>>727630158This, if whiney nerds didn't pretend to dislike it because muh story then it would have gotten the recognition it deserves
>>727638757Sonic has a thriving multimedia presence while Mario's characters are too flat for anything other than games
>>727633091Sonic fans are furry DBZ spics.
>>72763916806 was the last time we got multiple playable characters during the main campaign (not counting Final Horizon)I also wish they refined the mach speed parts rather than turning it all into boostshit. Automated running being dangerous is a seriously under explored idea
Unironically. Get rid of the cancerous moba aspect, throw in more fan favorite Crash and Spyro characters, more maps, make it singleplayer-friendly, and hell, just try to imagine it in VV/Beenox's art style to make it easier for you to digest because I know anything with TFB involved is treated as an STD and you've got the Crash equivalent of SSB and Kirby Air Ride's City Trial.
>>727639776He says not realising that Mario broke into multi media ventures long before sonic existed.
>>727628906If wishes were fishes we'd all live in the ocean
>>727628906Wild woody should have been a series
>>727628906They were making this for XBOne and PS4, when Sega went "oh btw we just signed an exclusivity deal with Nintendo" and forced the move to a massively weaker system, and forced a less mature tone, and gave the team too little time.https://lostmediawiki.com/Sonic_Synergy_(lost_original_build_of_%22Sonic_Boom:_Rise_of_Lyric%22_Wii_U_action-adventure_game;_2007-2013)
>>727639636lol seething
>>727640007This but with a modern Crash Bash game. That's what it really should've been.
>>727628906Why do black people have such a high amount of copium towards stuff they like? I like dragon ball but I keep seeing them defend any writing or artistic inconsistencies that Toriyama made
>>727628906Why is 06 always called "ambitious" when it's basically just an HD retread of SA1.
>>727632163I've always believed people only like Silver because his backstory was blatantly stolen from Future Trunks from Dragonball Z. So just like Silver because his backstory mirrors a character people already like. If his backstory wasn't stolen he'd probably be unpopular as Infinite.
>>727640551Because that only applies to some parts of its story and a handful of level props. Obviously there are a lot of important differences between the best 3D Sonic game and the worst one. Dev time isn't the only one
>>727631102Another problem is YouTubers kept saying dumb shit like "BRO PROJECT 06 IS THE BEST SONIC GAME EVER!" which caused all the Zoomers to go "well the original game is actually good it just needed [POTENTIAL HEADCANON]"
>>727637429>I WONT STOP!>I'll chase the clouds from over Mobius...>Only I can fly high enough!
>>727628906
Sonic and Mephiles never even met until Mephiles killed himThe story was fucked since conception
>>727633091Dragon Ball mishandled its supporting cast more than Sonic does, which is saying something. There are waaaay too many characters that do absolutely nothing but pad arcs out
Is Mephiles just Solaris' Nobody?
>>727640223>force a less mature tonethat clearly didn't happen. it was a tie in to the Nickelodeon series.Plus, it's Sonic.
>>727640393Unless this modern Crash Bash has a mode where you can play as your favorite character, on-foot, using movesets that faithfully reflect their abilities like Rumble did, Crash Bash can stay dead.
>>727640551The people saying that basically think a Sonic game is good when it has lots of characters you can play as, and a big dumb anime story.They're almost entirely disinterested in whether the game is good.
>>727640551Here's the real reason: Sonic has consistently been best as a shounen and 06 has the heaviest shounen themes in it.The ending of the 06 Shadow campaign is regularly cited as the most tonally perfect Sonic moment.
>>727641315>There are waaaay too many characters that do absolutely nothing but pad arcs outWhat? DB has a small cast and doesn't waste your time making up jobbers so you can say Chiaotzu did something.
>>727641906Sonic was best as a mascot platformer with psychedelic visuals, and a soundtrack ripping off 80's and 90's pop music.That's the platonic form of what Sonic is supposed to be, as a thing.
>>727641906Shounen is a demographic, not a style or genre
>>727641906>06 has the heaviest shounen themes in it.Not now that Frontiers exists
>>727634632I was a teenager when this came out. I never expected it to look like the trailers because everything shown was blatantly prerendered and choreographed. They definitely showed potential gameplay tidbits that were never incorporated or fully fleshed out in the game, but it didn't sour my mood because I never expected it to match up to the trailer. I knew the graphics and smoothness of everything showcased was impossible at that time with the Xbox 360 hardware that I'd be playing it on.The only real negative experience that I remember having with the game was the stealth section with those sirenhead midgets, it was a very boring and tedious section that stood out in the middle of fast-paced bits.
How would you fix him?
>>727641906No, Sonic was best as a simple but cool game primarily focused on platforming in areas with neat aesthetics.
I'm still mad that Shadow gens didn't have Final Haunt.Give me the Black Comet if you're doing a Black Arms game wtf.
>>727642035That's sort of my point, Chiaotzu is worse than a filler character, he's a character that has no reason to exist at all. And jobbing is all anyone not named Goku or Vegeta amounts to.
>>727642559You can't. He shouldn't exist after 06. The conditions that created him were erased
>>727642559Less of a bitch, make 06 a coming of age storyAction game instead of a platformer, especially since he feels so much worse than Sonic and ShadowActually confronts Mephiles and confirms that he was the Iblis Trigger all along. After all, Sonic's death is what causes Elise to cry.
>>727642559He's not a problem to be fixed, he's a problem to be solved, and the solution is easy. Kill him.
>>727633764can't wait for the rewrite of the love interest mission
>>727633764All I can say is spit your shit, King.
>>727641315>Dragon Ball mishandled its supporting cast more than Sonic does, which is saying something. There are waaaay too many characters that do absolutely nothing but pad arcs outThat's because Dragonball devolved into stories where there's only really 1-3 active villains in the plot at once and 5-10 heroic characters and every important character on both sides tend to gather in the exact same place at the same time. With simultaneously running plot points being an extreme rarity and usually amount to being a character trying to arrive at the important fight or preparing to join that fight. If Dragonball just came up with more plots where the characters needed to be in multiple places at once, they could have probably resolved the supporting cast being useless. But they instead just play out like a videogame where there seemingly can only be one fight can happen at a time.
>>727642559They need to decide whether Silver is the middle ground between Sonic and Shadow, or Sonic is the middle ground between Shadow and Silver
>>727642559Phase him out and treat it like he never existed.
>>727637232>Maybe SEGA can get another studio to take the concept and full send it.to think platinum was right there but they had to fumble it...
>>727643693Sonic actually isn't really any different, the only change is that the supporting cast are generally shoved off screen instead of being trotted out as if they mean anything
>>727642270The Genesis games were shit.
>>727634632>blah blah blah WAIT A MINUTE THAT CARD blah blah blah I GUESS THEY EXPECT ME TO SIT IN THIS CHAIR, HUH???>five hours of yapping later>oops we're out of time to finish the game, here's a highlight reel of what it would have looked like>BRO WHAT IF YOU DIED OR WHAT IF YOU DIDN'T DIE OR SOMETHING WOULDN'T THAT BE WEIRDSolid gameplay but holy shit everything else was god-awful
>>727642559Just make him cool. >have him defeat Eggman with ease>Have him beat Sonic and Shadow>Give him a good voice actor
>>727642559I'll never forgive him because they finally created a cool female counterpart to Sonic in Blaze and then 06 immediately ruined her forever by making her Silver's tard wrangler.
>>727633091Because they got into Sonic before watching Dragon Ball and can't let go.
>>727635435But Mario is very character based? Only Mario is really lacking and even then, it's more-so that he's got the 'basic protagonist' personality.
>>727631102>I doubt any of these potential glazers have played the original within recent memory.Reminds me of how unleashed stopped getting glazed as soon as unleashed project became a thing and its biggest defenders could actually play the game they always glaze for the first time
>>727640789Infinite is overhated. A lot of the hate is that they wanted him to be a furry DBZ villain who upstages Eggman and has a big fight with Super Sonic.
>>727644894The only game in which Blaze has had anything to do since 06 is Rush Adventure Whatever they did with her doesn't matter since she basically doesn't exist anymore (and neither does Silver for that matter). She's basically Waluigi. A character that only exists for wacky party games at this point
>>727644723*you* are shit
>>727628906Final Fantasy Versus XIII
>>727628906I like the idea of potential games because even if they suck they get me to think someone might someday take lessons from them and make something good.Except this basically never ever happens. Potential games go into the trash and nothing comes from them. Years later someone revisits a lot of the same concepts from scratch and makes mostly the exact same mistakes. I just don't fucking understand why this happens.
>>727628906I've noticed Anthem's been getting this a lot, redditors trying to spin the gameplay as being super fire fr fr and everything else was the problem but the gameplay ohhhh the gameplay
>>727628906People love to talk about how a remake could fix everything.
>>727633486this is unfortunately very truedon't get me wrong, I do care about the characters and storybut the gameplay is far too often ignored, going both wayslike think about the sheer amount of apologetics fucking black knight gets entirely because of sonic's dialogue
>>727641906i fucking hate the inhibitor ring shit
>>727645274I know the reason is because sega can never decide if shes from the future or another dimension, but Im surprised we never got a blaze game that takes place in the sol dimension exclusively to see what it's like. Even if it'd just lead to a SatBK scenario where everyone is clearly pre-existing characters but with a new name and altered design, I'm surprised it didnt happen
>>727631368this, I still had a BLAST thoughbeit
Genshin ImpactI still play it and love the world deeply but they could have gone in a far better direction with new mechanics and a better story direction.
>>727642559sever his vas deferensfucking keep him away from blaze
>>727646047Blaze has consistently been from another dimension, 06 is the only outlier.
>>727645274>The only game in which Blaze has had anything to do since 06 is Rush Adventure That might not have been the case if 06 never happened.
>>727645736>everything else was the problem but the gameplay ohhhh the gameplayThey're right you know
>>727644874>Silver was going to be emofacedTruly a product of the 2000's.
>>727639564The game is fundamentally extremely shallow with zero (0) RPG elements so rotations and raid performance are the only way for players to actually engage with the game. If they made dungeons that aren't just "pull everything to the wall and AOE, do an easy boss, repeat" and gear that isn't "Main Stat, VIT, 2x substat" then they'd take the first step toward being a real game, but Yoshi-P and his team will never, ever, EVER do that.
