Why is there so many dumbasses that play hardcore games and give bad advice?>pick samurai best starting class>you need grind for op gears>game is unbeatable without summons
>>727642536you have to be actual ass for it to be unbeatable without summons
>>727642536Its purely a consequence of it reaching such a wide audience. You get a lot of people parroting misinformation because their favorite breadtuber or streamer said it. There was a similar mass of normies that hopped on around DS3. The games themselves are excellent and best experienced completely blind
>>727642808Agreed. The only reason why I summon is because it’s Nepheli or Millicent.
>>727642536I don't know about all that. I picked the Confessor class and attached pieces of dead animals to my body. It's been working out well for me so far.
use a greatshied with a status effect thrusting weapon
What you actually do is level vig, wear heavy armor, stack defense buffs and put endure on star fist or great stars.
>>727642536Samurai is a good class. Particularly for a new, blind player because it starts with a high-tier weapon.
>>727642536>>pick samurai best starting classArguably correct. There are other candidates, but they are DAMN strong. >>you need grind for op gearsDefine grind. I would recommend most people... explore instead of heading to the big castle straight away. >>game is unbeatable without summonsNah. That's just silly.
>>727642536>>pick samurai best starting classYeah I agree this is pretty horrendous advice when Vagabond gets Square Off right off the bat, which is the most overpowered ash in the entire game.
>>727642536Autistic spergs are the fucking bane of my existence when it comes to Souls games.They are always wrong. Every time.
>>727644094This bullshit being mandatory for Radahn made me quit Souls games forever. It's just plain bad game design to have so many options then only permit 3 at most.Then autistic sadomasochists chime in to say Miyazaki made a perfect [subject] and anyone who disagrees is just bad at video games no matter how much they prove they aren't. It's tiresome. I hate what these games have become.
>>727642536>>pick samurai best starting classThis one is true though
>>727642536>Elden Ring>hardcore
>>727645317>it's not mandatory if you spend 36 hours straight learning his entire set and learning how to deal with his absolute bullshit clone attacksYeah I still need a greatshield to beat him but I can do it with Milady now instead of just shield pokes.
>>727645493It isn't. Square Off is way better than Unsheathe, even without bleed. Vagabond also has the best stat spread for basically every build except Arcane.
>>727642536Hardcorefags can give awful advice too. The number of times I've seen beginners being told to two-hand their weapon instead of use a shield...
>>727642853Patrician right here. OP listen to this anonAny new Souls game I disconnect from the internet and play it blind until I beat it. Then I jump back online and laugh at all the crying and gnashing of teeth about the difficulty and reeeeeing for miyazaki to nerf this and that and how it needs an easy mode. Absolutely pathetic.
>>727642536here's the best advice, use a 2 hand weapon, and roll forward and to the right mostly, and you'll do fine
>>727642536You pick Deprived you play a Souls gameEveryone knows this
>>727645317>years later he's still seething he got filteredlol, lmao even
>tfw no giant ninja wife to give standing cunnilingus
>>727642536Just a reminder that the vast majority of people followed a guide when playing this game, so anyone who argues with you about any sort of difficulty or pacing in the game, or legit bullshit that was added (Malenia) their opinion should be taken with a pinch of salt since they statistically did not beat it without help. There's no way that this many people got the age of stars ending over the elden lord ending natty.
>>727646054>or legit bullshit that was added (Malenia)I dunno, I beat her with the Carian Knight sword, Carian Piercer, the exploding magma spell, Greatsword Phalanx, and my wife Tiche.
>>727646054Malenia is legitimately not difficult and is mindbroken by whips. I've beaten her several times at RL1 within the first few attempts.
>>727645547>MiladyThat is how I beat him. Kept spamming storm blade, using the weakest great shield, while my mimic ran distraction.
>>727646517I've beat her multiple times as well but the vast majority of people did not get past waterfowl without summons or without a guide and my evidence to that is 1. how arbitrary and obnoxious that ability is and 2. the screenshot I posted showing clearly most people used a guide to get age of stars.I like Malenia, I don't like waterfowl despite knowing how to beat it.
>>727646708I've never used Mimic and didn't use any summons to beat him, but I did need a greatshield. I haven't been able to beat him without one yet, some of his attacks are just too difficult for me to dodge, mostly his clone shit but some of his slashes are still just too fast for me, even after the nerfs. I can dodge like 60% of his attacks but I need a shield for the rest.
>>727646054I got Age of Stars on my blind 1st run
>>727646734Yeah, waterfowl is a total pain in the ass to dodge. Even after a lot of practice (read: getting my shit pushed in) I can dodge most of the swipes as long as I'm not balls deep in a charged attack when she starts it, but I'm a far cry from no-hit dodging it. The clone attack in phase 2 is also a total pain.
>>727647083>The clone attack in phase 2 is also a total painJust run away from it lol
>>727646954I'm sure many did. I don't believe enough did it blind to make a difference of nearly 5%. There's too much you could miss, especially when you consider how popular ER was with people who didn't play FS games before so probably weren't as diligent with exploring or having a nose for where things will be.>>727647083Yeah I get very annoyed when people say it's not that bad, here's how you solve it etc etc. The move is unfair compared to any other move in Miyazaki's catalogue. If you are mid swing and not light equip load when she starts it you are fucked.
>>727642536>game is unbeatable without summonsThe game, absolutely. Melania sure as fuck wasn't though.
>>727647294>The move is unfair compared to any other move in Miyazaki's catalogueThe only thing legitimately unfair in Malenia's toolkit is the fact that she can just say "fuck you" to her stagger animations whenever she wants and she can also ignore stance-breaks if she's doing something that is giving her hyper-armor, which is counter-intuitive to say the least. She isn't hard and Waterfowl is literally the least of your problems unless you are right in her face in the middle of an animation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJneRRu5xa4
>>727647563Melania is doable, but you need to respect into a meme build. That is how that one retard built his entire online persona.
>>727645317>he didn't go the INT route
>>727646695i bet your weight starts with a 3 too
>>727645317>This bullshit being mandatoryI did it with Carian Soverignity, rannis moons, frost buildup and no shield. Mostly cause the combo of those three things does like 1/5th his health in one charged swing.
>>727647569>The only thing legitimately unfair in Malenia's toolkit is the fact that she can just say "fuck you" to her stagger animations whenever she wants>unless you are right in her face in the middle of an animation.Right so if you melee her when she is staggered, but then she instantly breaks out of stagger and waterfowls that isn't unfair to you? I know all about this boss, watched every vid breaking down it's unfairness and inconsistency. That move is the worst move from DeS to ER. There's a reason there are vids about it, threads about it, complaints about it, was changed last minute. The move is horseshit and anyone defending it is eating Miyahackis big steamer.
>>727642536vagabond is the best class because the knight larp is cool
heh… after I did everything the wiki and reddit post told me to do, it was easy… git gud
Square Off is slow as af so it's not a clear winner over unsheathe, which can fit into just about every opening.
>>727647872>Right so if you melee her when she is staggered, but then she instantly breaks out of stagger and waterfowlsThat's 9 times out of 10 your fault for being so aggressive. You got greedy and you get punished.
>>727643984Cute He-Man/She-Ra subsidiary character
>>727642536>pick samurai best starting class>you need grind for op gears???Samurai starts with the uchi, a profoundly effective weapon
when is this shit coming out for the switch 2 already???
>>727648234Never, fisher price tablet can't run it
>>727648124>being too aggressive when the boss is staggeredDo you people listen to yourselves?
>>727648234Switch one struggles with Dark Souls.
>>727646054>liked Ranni at the start>learned you literally cant kill her and if you try she just does a instant one shot kill on your character>now hate Ranni as a character
>>727648295If you know she can just bullshit her way out of a stagger and you go to hit her twice anyway, what happens after that is on you, retard.
>>727642536I beat the game with steel wire torch you can do it with anything there is no correct advice just play the game
>>727648165I never watched He-Man. What character from that IP has a squid face and dragon arm?
>>727648423So you agree it's bullshit? Which is my argument.
>>727648438If you bang your hear against a brick wall enough, you will eventually break through as well.
>>727648339Literally me
>>727648485I never said it wasn't, I did say it's one of the actually unfair things about Malenia in this post >>727647569and it is unfair, and if you watch this video, it explains exactly why she's unfair.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9Vbsr3Ko7M
>>727648547You won't and the base game isn't very hard don't be a baby
>>727648619So why are you even arguing with me when you agree. I've also already seen that video and countless others.
>>727648297Weird thing is the switch port of DS1 I'm pretty sure is based on PTDE, not DS1R
>>727648694Because if you know she can do it and you still fall for it, you're no better than Bart Simpson repeatedly burning himself on the stovetop burner expecting a different outcome. You're the human, you have to adapt.
>>727642536because [FAVOURITE STREAMER] played it so i have to, too!
>>727644094>antKINO rapierthe KING of nightreign Duchess/Executor
>>727642536I just bought this and the only From game (other than Tenchu) I could stand for more than 45 mins was Bloodborne. I'm probably going drop it, aren't I?
>>727648670I've completed the game without gimping myself by using a crap weapon.
>>727642536Samurai is only good if you played DS3 or Bloodborne before.OP gear locked behind grinding is logical.90% of Summons are fucking assI'd argue they make the game harder due to aggro switching
>>727648846>button-mashing retardYes. Please stay away from my games.
>>727645774personally when I first played ds3 to beat gundyr for my dad I saw my shield not block 100% damage and I instantly disregarded all shields
>>727648449There's most likely one in there somewhere.
>>727648846nah you just need a good shield and a colossal
>>727648790I've killed the boss, I've beat the game 5 times, I no longer fall for it. My entire argument is the boss is bullshit for the reasons listed an anyone who argues otherwise used a guide or is being dishonest.
>/v/ using ashes and greatshield pokes>complaining about fucking Malenia being unfair because muh stagger cancelsle mayo
>>727649018I simply got gud and no longer agree with the delusion that she's difficult. Challenging, sure, but unlike Consort Radahn she's actually doable and doesn't require any frame perfect nonsense.
tiche practically solos malenia >whining about difficulty after you purposefully handicap yourself with arbitrary rules
dont care, waterfowl makes her worse than bed of chaos DOE the rest of her moves are piss easy
>>727649212Every time I tried Tiche, she never made it past the first phase and I had her leveled up significantly.
>>727649090>the person using greatshield and summons is the same person complaining about the boss being unfair>>727649212>I watched sportsball therefore I was involved in the winYou didn't beat the game.
>>727648846The exploration is a little more engaging, so you're probably good. No game-niggers will say it's too easy because picrel but I'd say it's in a rather good place challenge-wise, for us non-NEETs.
>be me>unbind everything except jump, light attack, and interact>realize the game is *really* pixel/frame/stats precise, like unplayably strict, yet still manageable.>genuinely one of the hardest game ever created with these restrictions.>rebind roll>ROLL ROLL ROLL ROLL ROLL ROLL ROLL ROLL ROLLUnbelievable how one mechanic just removes all tension in the game.
>>727649237waterfowl is insanely annoying at first and super counterintuitive, but once you figure out youre supposed to run away and then dodge into it it becomes super easy, id say the hardest part is just accidentally getting too agressive and then she punishes you and gets half her damn healthbar back
>>727649396jump is a vertical roll
>>727645317be sure to say "thank you bloodborne" for evolving the enemies to have such spastic movement patterns
>>727649438it's also the only fucking way to clear a two foot tall piece of rock or a two foot bottomless gap
>>727649212Kristoff is the top lads choice.
>mfw this thread makes me realize that DSP is actually the norm
Malenia and Radahn are the ultimate Build filtersIf the build is trash they'll simply decimate you
>>727649212At +10, absolutely. I got absolutely curbstomped by Malenia ~30 times, made it to phase two 25% of those. I wiped her on my first or second try with Tiche and had more than half my flasks unused. Tiche's hp bar-deleting dart was a gamechanger.
>>727649396https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhkGaK-IKQMost enemies can be spaced and a lot of attacks can be jumped. Malenia is like 90% proper spacing.
>>727649590Lhutel was my go to before I got the mimic. Who doesn't like a headless, tall, teleporting waifu?
>>727644094that only really seems good for certain bosses, I couldn't imagine ones like Melania and fire giant
>>727649715How many hours does it take to learn that shit and finally execute it perfectly?
>>727649438In my playthrough there were 2-3 bosses where I found jumping incredibly useful for "dodging" shit like low sweeps. That black armor ninja furry was one.
>>727642536Imagine blaming your class instead of yourself in a fucking souls game where class barely even matters
>>727649715>lock-onThis game is so bullshit without lock-on, it's like worse monster hunter.
>>727649982Probably a pretty long time. I probably couldn't do that but I've beat her at RL1 a few times with a few different weapons. Whip is my favorite against her, and I normally don't like whips in this game.
>>727647876If I see knight, I pick knightSimple as
>>727650082Most of DS3 was fine without it but Gael without lock-on is basically impossible. You just have to know when to turn it off in Elden Ring because Lock-on can get you killed in some cases.
>>727650101Normal people aren't autistic enough to go though that bullshit and just want to beat her once and move on.
>>727650242If you didn't replay the game at least 5-10 times you didn't beat the game.
>>727650242You mean to say that most people lack basic learning skill that makes them apply lessons learned through failing in order to better their circumstances and overcome adversity.
>>727642536>class without 100% damage reduction shield best starting class in a Souls gamewat
>>727650327No. Normal people seek help from others when they can't do something on their own.
>>727650327>You mean to say that most people lack basic learning skill that makes them apply lessons learned through failing in order to better their circumstances and overcome adversity.yes, and they spend 300 hours in elden ring to cope
>>727650391Especially in the game that introduced Guard Counters, an absolutely bonkers OP technique. Yeah, Vagabond is easily the most stacked starting class and it isn't even close.
INT/FTH seems really gay for this game. Most of the spells do the same thing, and all the best stuff is just slow as fuck.
>>727650495ape together strong!
>>727650495>>727650516Maybe you should go back to plebbit and cry over there.
>>727650568>>727650601I can smell you basement dwellers from here. Go take a shower.
>>727650563>INT/FTH seems really gay for this gameGolden Order/Necromancer builds are the most fun I've ever had with this game. Erdtree Greatshield + Discus of Light is legitimately a blast. Ancient Death Rancor is also fun to use.
>>727650516>yes, and they spend 300 hours in elden ring to cope>he thinks 300 hours is a lotMy sweet summer child, I've done over 10 100% playthroughs of around 150-200 hours each. I've also never even touched online because playing with other people is cringe.
>>727642536>hardcore>elden ring
>>727650563Upgrade your staff/seals don't just beeline to 40/40
>>727650834>stopping at 40/40Yeah I mean I could see how he thinks int/fth sucks if he did that. You have to go to 80/80 or at the very least 60/60. It's not a build for the fainthearted, it takes more commitment than a Quality build.
>>727650680Last bastion of the whiny man child, throwing insults like a woman.
>>727650563that's because it's a build for people who like to fund their character, it's like tank hexer in dark souls 2
>>727651085Says the one slinging ape or reddit user as insults. I don't even use reddit and I am most certainly human.
>>727646054Factual. Market demand for lore spoonfeeding and strategy guides is bigger than in any any other franchise. Journalists shill the games for cred, incompetent gamers cheese their way through them for gamer cred, egirls beat them on DDR pads to prove they're totally a real gamer too. Whole community is astroturfed.
>>727649857It basically only works for bosses that get in your face and just keep swinging and don't do much else. Like it isn't going to work against Hoarah Loux's grab spam or Astel just floating around you or Midra's frenzy spam. Consort Radahn's grab is easily dodged and only done a few times a fight, and he doesn't really move around much if you don't run away, except for his phase 2.5 meteor attack.
>>727645989Tiche is literally my big sister and Oleg is literally my big brother.
>>727646054Age of Stars isn't any harder to get than the default ending. The game tries to railroad you into hooking up with Ranni. But yeah, people did guidefag a bit regarding her. >>727647569>she isn't hard>posts a video of a person with >1000 hours in the game doing a highly planned out challenge runHow many times did she kill you?
>>727652493>How many times did she kill you?I've probably died to Malenia a few hundred times, but I learned her and now she's easy.>>posts a video of a person with >1000 hours in the game That's me, and it's like 4000 hours at this point, I think. Elden Ring is the greatest game of all time.
>>727649212She is great for the fight. I could make it through phase 1 most of the time, but phase 2 was not happening. But with Tiche I was able to do it within 10 or so tries. Tiche's real benefit is that she's so slippery that Malenia can't use her as a bloodbag. Most summons are useless for the fight because she'll wail on them and get back half her healthbar. Tiche is even faster and more jumpy than Malenia herself, so she can avoid hits that other summons can't.
>>727652628>>>I've probably died to Malenia a few hundred times, but I learned her and now she's easy.
>>727650563What are you talking about? Ever since the DLC the Necromancer is a functional build for NG+ because Rings of Spectral Light give it needed ranged frost build up and the Putrescence spells hit hard.ADR has always been an amazing spell due to its stance damage compared to comparable homing stars, it's just that before that necromancer had shit else for damage. GFE is cool and fun for style points but is inferior to Zamor Ice Storm in doings its job, by being too many heavy for the damage and with less Frost build up.Everything else though was dogshit and made necromancers unviable.Golden Order Encants are great aside from holy damage being resistant.Magma Spells are the only odd ball, mainly because their supporting catalyst sucks, but also because their bare minimum faith requirement is like 16 max so you don't really need to faith max to make use of them.
>>727650563The SONAF is a trick. Don't fall for it until you're either deep into the DLC or in NG+INT-FAI means an INT build that you get enough FAI to run Golden Vow and spam the Deathbird spells with until you're in the DLC and get access to XP to take you to level 200 so you can go 60/60 with Metyr's staff.
>>727653454No, to do Int/fai right you bum rush the Golden Order Seal, which actually has good scaling from the get go.90% of Int/fais problem is shit catalysts. Gelmir Staff is unfairly just dogshit and PoD Staff has weird backloaded scaling that only makes it the best Staff in the game at 60/60.Metyr's staff is alright for its duel catalyst gimmick, but I'm pretty sure its inferior to GO seal and PoD
>>727653902>which actually has good scaling from the get goIts true strength actually lies in the fact that it's a Somber weapon, not that it has good scaling, because in theory, no other seal will outscale Godslayer Seal until like mid 30 faith, but that doesn't matter because you can only get it to like +14 in the same timeframe you can get the Golden Order Seal up to +9.
>>727653902Hotswapping between seals and staffs as you play makes you want to jump off a bridge. Better to just not do it. Use the FAI levels for buffing spells, and INT for combat casting.
>>727651709And you're a big faggot
>>727654376Imagine not being gay. One of us doesn't have to deal with retarded bitches, and the other does. Who wins?
>>727654274INT/FTH usually requires a completely different keybind compared to melee so you don't end up playing twister every 2 seconds trying to get the right thing at the right time
>/v/tards are realizing that if you put enough time, you'll learn a new skillDo Americans have poor education or something?
>>727654681You are the first one to mention America.
>>727654426I can't argue back. You win.
>>727643568smelly, smelly girls.
>>727647569>she can just say "fuck you" to her stagger animations whenever she wantsI found this not too bad, since you have some guaranteed hits you can get in, but it's a gamble the greedier you get with them. Knocking her on her ass makes her far more predictable.As for the hyperarmor, I far prefer that than complete invincibility while they're attacking, like Lingering Will from KH2. You can even knock her ass out of waterfowl dance if you manage to proc bleed or frost on her.
>>727654130Fair, but I'm just saying it scales the way the other int/fai catalysts should of.PoD is fine with its gimmick I suppose, but Gelmir should have had GO's tier scaling with its rarity.
>>727654274That all comes down to whether you prefer using magma or golden discs as your primary reason for going int/fai, because early game death spells suck.No, basic Rancor being good is a meme
>>727656556Gelmir staff should have had a double bonus or even like maybe a special ash of war or something, it just gets shafted by being rare and pointless, its only saving grace is that you can get it earlier than Prince of Death staff.
>>727656698To get the magma spells you have to make it to Gelmir, so that means doing the Dectus scavenger hunt. Or you can just get the Scarab in Stormveil and the Deathbird in Liurnia. The latter is worse in the early game, you're right. Multihit spells are weaker early on, but they're still very usable and avoid the tedium of playing hitman for Tanith and running around the volcano.
>Get Oathseeker armor, the iconic knight set for SotE>Can't alter it to add a cloak the whole game because they just made that armor Leda's and made it unique because ???>With Leda's armor on it's still not even good, terrible defense and garbage poise compared to even Vagaband armorSotE felt like a hate letter written for me specifically.
>>727657293The price you pay in poise is just barely worth it for the sheer drip.
>>727642536Back in the day all you had to do to prove you were a hardcore gamer was to beat Contra, bonus points if you did it with no continues. That's how it goes, no grinding, no class bullshit. Just pure raw skill and fair challenge.
>>727656762I've used it as a buff stick, I think it stacks with the Bayle Talisman.
>>727656556>>727656762Imagine a special feature of the Gelmir staff being that it has poor scaling but it casts an extra duplicated version of the spell at the same time (since it is embedded with two Glintstone heads). Would make for an interesting interaction with a lot of spells.
>another shitter crybaby threadLmao
>>727657584"Hard core gamer" wasn't even a concept back in the day.
>>727647569I think Malenia would legitimately be a great boss if it weren't for her no flinch into Waterfowl when it's the player's "turn", which isn't even that long of a turn to begin with, only 2-4 hits. If you wanted her to whip it out in a way to surprise the player it could have just been added as a finisher to any of her other combos. Or instead of just clipping straight into WF just have it be prefaced by her little backstep twirl thing to give the player a visual cue and some distance. It's only annoying because she does it in a situation where the player is by necessity right next to her and probably already in the middle of an animation.
>>727657836nta but isn't "hardcore" a blizzardfag thing?
>>727657905>be right next to Malenia as waterfowl happens>run to the left and past her>she whiffsJust that simple
>>727657575If I was just able to have the cloak from the get go I would wear it regardless of the terrible stats. It just looks oddly barren without it compared to Vagabond or Knight. And of course it's the only set that goes perfectly with the Serpent and Wolf shields. Guess I got to mod it in.
>>727657905Waterfowl is a non-issue if you aren't a shitter. Just stop being shit.
>>727657905My only gripe with Melania is she still regenerates health when she hits a shield with 100% physical block. That goes against all video game logic.
>>727658213That is how all status works in Elden Ring.
Game is easy as hell with the Greatsword (Guts) you destroy bosses
>>727658117Have you tried the sanguine noble robe? Even worse defense, but it looks great with oathkeeper.
>>727658060Yeah I know that now, but I don't think barely telegraphed boss combo that can only be dodged by an unintuitive movement trick isn't great design either. I was more likely to just face tank the first flurry and then parry the second.
>>727642536>elden ring>hardcorelol
>>727658163It's been 3 years, I beat it back then and everyone obviously knows how to beat it now. There aren't any shitters unless you gave up. The move is just implemented in a bad way from a design perspective.
>>727658213That's a legitimate gripe.>>727658240Her ability isn't a status effect though and I'm pretty sure her rune does not work this way for the player so it shouldn't work for her. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
>>727658213To be fair if she didn't have that we'd just have what we did with Consort Radahn and a mountain of drones using the Fingerprint shield would be acting like they've solved the game.
>>727649492Thank you, Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition
>>727658506It really isn't. I don't have any complaints about Waterfowl. The problem with Waterfowl isn't an issue with the move itself, it's that she can just do it at certain invisible HP thresholds on a timer and she can pull it out basically whenever she wants. You have a problem with this because you are shit at the game. It's that simple. There are so many ways to bait out Waterfowl at a safe distance it isn't even funny. Literally throw a dagger at her and she'll use it on those HP thresholds immediately after her next dodge.
>>727645317>This bullshit being mandatory for RadahnWeapons I have beaten Promised Consort Radahn with>Miséricorde>Coded Sword>Sword of Night and Flame>Sword of Milos>Death's Poker>Death's Poker again>Rivers of Bloods>Blasphemous Blade>Dark Moon Greatsword>Ruins Greatsword>Dragon King's Cragblade>Moonveil>Euporia>Godskin Peeler>Nightrider Flail>Bastard's Stars>Smithscript Greathammer>Great Stars>Star Fist>Bolt of Gransax>Spear of the Impaler>Serpent-Hunter>Mohgwyn's Sacred SpearThat means there are 2 more strategies, parry and L2 spam.
>>727649492Bloodborne is alright, you get to move as fast as everything else and the rally system makes trading blows viable.
>>727658765I forgot to add>Gazing Finger>Fallingstar Beast Jaw
>>727649492They really went overboard with a few enemies in DS3. The catacombs gravewarden skeleton assassins and corvian knights are some of the most spastic enemies in the series.
>>727645317I stopped giving a fuck and used Moonveil + Mimic, that mf is still seeing blue
>>727649492The enemies have to be fast in BB by design. The player can be really really fast and has a gun for ranged parries.
>>727658818>Im glad I can just brainlessly mash and heal instead of being punished for greedYep, Bloodborne created a lot of shitters
>>727659430Those screaming faggots in the chalice dungeons are way too fast for even bloodborne.
>>727659481It's really no wonder Bloodborne is the favorite of so many trannies.
>>727658754>The problem with Waterfowl isn't an issue with the move itself, it's that she can just do it at certain invisible HP thresholds on a timer and she can pull it out basically whenever she wantsThat's... That's what I said. You just agreed with me. We agree with each other. We're literally saying the same thing.
>>727659481Oh you can get punished quite easily, Ludwig/Laurence/Orphan can delete your health bar easily. Even the simplest enemies have 5+ combo charge attacks that stunlock you. It's more like Bloodborne lets you get back chip damage if you're aggressive. You can't stand there and mash R1, a second hit removes the rally potential.
>>727659673Yes but you have a problem with it and I don't. We are not the same.
>>727642536Wait. I thought the game was supposedly balanced around the summons, unlike every other previous Souls game where summons were a crutch of last resort for the worst shitters.
>>727645791Miyazaki caved and nerfed everything though in Homo Ring though, didn't he?
>>727659825The game is not balanced around summons, summons clearly break boss AI in ways that were never intended. Summons are literally for shitters, period, end of.
>>727659734>You have a problem with bad implementation and I don't. Okay? I'm pretty sure you just said it was a problem five minutes ago but whatever. I'm happy for you.
>>727660186Thanks. See you around, kid.
>>727659482That's what the guns are for broIf you see a crackhead running at you at the speed of light you shoot that fucked without asking twice
Bloodborne was a mistake and souls games never recovered from it.
>>727644094>POV: you’re promised consort radahn
>>727660506What game started with dropping piles of checkpoints on the player. That's my main gripe with Elden Ring. Sites of Grace being within sight of each other is retarded. The game should have a 1/3 of the Sites it does. Maybe even less. Shit is ridiculous. I could go either way with Sites just for boss fights but there were extremely few instances in Elden Ring of the feeling of relief you'd get all the time seeing a bonfire or finding a shortcut in Dark Souls 1
>>727660975>What game started with dropping piles of checkpoints on the player.DS2
>>727661015wrong
>>727661178DS2nigger spotted
>>727659825Depends on the boss. DLC bosses are good about handling summons/spirit ashes. Malenia is harder with summons than without (except for the sole exception of Black Knife Tiche). Maliketh will usually kill your summon instantly.
>>727660975Its stupid because the Stakes of Marika solve the Grace spam issue perfectly, but they're used sparingly for no reason.
>>727661391Right. I genuinely forgot those were even a thing. I think the only time those came into play for me were a handful of Erdtree Avatars and maybe a Sorcerer tower.
>>727661540>>727661391Every genuine point of interest has one, I feel like roughly half the Graces could have been removed and replaced with them.
>>727645014>>727645645>Square Off is way better than Unsheathenot really much better>Vagabond also has the best stat spread for basically every buildpvp autism, not relevant for pve>>727646054age of stars ending has 1 obtuse part talking to the doll, and they added a prompt to make it more obvious.
>>727659703>lets add a feature as a core mechanic then have several bosses go against that very mechanic Sounds poorly made/thought out
>>727661937>not really much betterIt's quite a lot better and has more utility than Unsheathe. The R1 knocks away shields, even greatshields, including from knights, and the R2 deals 40 stance damage, which I think is 10 more than Unsheathe's R2. The only thing Uchi has over a Longsword is the addition of Bleed, and at low Arcane levels, the only enemies that'll even matter for are the giant trolls and Margit, normal enemies are just going to die before a bleed proc.
>>727645317pre-nerf yeah it was actually horrendous dogshit and I couldn't even pretend to defend it for (You)s.post-nerf he's far more reasonable and much more in-line with what one would expect, but at its core I think it really shows the problems inherent to FS game design because as soon as memeazaki steps back his underlings fuck things up in bizarre ways.
>>727661937Square Off's Heavy attack is piercing damage, which is the best in the game. Rush the spear talisman you can get at the start of Liurnia, and most of the time you'll be getting huge bonus damage because you're going to be counterattacking most enemies throughout the game. L2, wait for them to move, then R2 and eat their healthbar.
>>727642536The only summon you need is the dung eater. I never leave home without my bro.
>>727642536Samurai is a pretty versatile starting class though, especially for someone unfamiliar with mechanics- katana for status build up, bow for how range works, and shield gives a lot of options. Stats aren't great but this is a game where you gain a lot more levels than previous Souls games so it doesn't matter as much.
>>727646734>I like MaleniaI dont. Fuck that cunt.Its like the DLC bosses. Everything you learn through the game gets thrown out the window with the DLC. It was cheap and I didnt appreciate it.
>>727646054On one hand Age of Stars is the easiest NPC quest From has ever doneOn the other I would never be surprised at a lot of people referring to a guide for an RPG
>>727662917>On one hand Age of Stars is the easiest NPC quest From has ever doneI know Sellen's quest isn't really related, but having to go talk to her again after getting Comet Azur is some of the biggest bullshit in the game. There's nothing in the game that suggests you should go talk to her about it.
>>727659825The game is not balanced around either to be honest. The spirit ashes break the game so much its a joke, as the solo bosses cant handle fighting 2+ entities at the same time. On the other hand there are a bunch of bosses which are just 2 or 3 mobs together which are poorly designed for a summonless player; it just becomes you either bursting them quickly, or exploiting poor ai to 1v1 them in turn
>>727659934Miyazaki clearly wanted you to be at radahn with the power of friendship with all those NPC summons he stuck in there
>>727646054Everyone who defends the game and the absurd amount of reused content obviously used a guide. Broken and obtuse quests aside, the game is poorly designed for a blind playthorugh as you have no idea which shitty copy paste catacombs have worthwhile items for your build and not. When fromdrones say "but you dont have to do all the dungeons if you dont like them" what theyre saying is that they are a walkthrough fag who just looked up where to get the most broken shit for their build immediately
>>727663278They unironically make the fight multitudes harder by giving him more HP. I still haven't managed to get through the fight while they both survive.
>>727663387I mean feral radahn and the like 6 resummonable guys in there, I haven't played the dlc
>>727663481Oh I forgot you could even summon for that clown, I have never bothered, he's pretty easy.
Love watching retards on /v/ talk about how Shin Megami Tensei games are so hard and require so much grinding because they're too fucking retarded to use elemental weakness/resistance and the fusion system properly.
>>727663336Most of those dungeons aren't that long you just find the door lever and fight the boss in 5-10 minutes it's not a big deal.
>>727663336Most dungeons despite their asset re-use had good level design though. My favorite will always be the Leyndell one because of the deja vu trick.I remember laughing when I made it to the room with the Omen looking at the corpse of the other Omen.
>>727663873every dungeon that looked identical on one wing as on another to look like it's looping around made me want to kill myself
>>727659825No, not really.Summoning other players does increase bosses' HP and stance health, but it's not enough to offset the fact that you have 1 player whom the boss is focusing on and 1-2 whom they're ignoring as they burn their way through that HP. If your summons die, you're left fighting a boss with much more HP.Spirit ash summoning has no effect on boss HP, and any "big" spirit ash summons are also better at staying alive than the average player. Spirit ash summons are, for all intents and purposes, the game's actual easy mode. There's nothing wrong with using them, and they can be quite cool, but the game is in no way "balanced around them" except in this sense.
>>727666289There is no way around this in any game. Monster Hunter is the closest, but free damage and distractions make such a difference.Reality doesn't work like kung fu movies, power in numbers is an exponential challenge diminisher.
>>727642536>starting classthat only benefits souls virgins and speedrunners.anyone with 1 game under their belt knows that 1-2h into the game you can be any class you want.
>>727666541The only way around it is to intentionally design bosses that are good at fighting multiple people. Radahn (base game) is a decent multiplayer boss because, well, he's designed to fight 6+ ants hacking at his ankles. I've co-op'd Radahn dozens of times and his big, sweeping strikes, AoE attacks, and his mobility make him lethal even if he isn't focused on you. He can arguably be more dangerous if he's not, because you have to worry whether he's going to suddenly switch his attention to you.Fatalis (World) is also good.It'd be cool if some bosses had moves that they only use against multiple players, like feints or fadeaway attacks.
>>727666635Starting class matters for minmaxing your stat distribution. I like to limit myself to certain levels, like 1 (or any starting level of any given class), 10, 50, 100, 150, 200, and 300, and in most cases, the Vagabond is the most efficient class to pick for most builds except for Arcane and some Int builds that don't use many weapons. It's even the best for most Faith builds except ones that, again, don't use heavier weapons.
>>727666834minmaxing doesn't exist in souls games unless you SELF impose some rules on yourself.like max lvl 120-150 for pvp or speedrunning or a challenge run.if you want to "minmax" as a non of the above, you just go for max level and that's it.min maxing doesn't exist in most cases for souls games.
>>727667695>unless you SELF impose some rules on yourself.Yes, read my second sentence you fucking mongoloid nigger.
>>727666834>I like to limit myself to certain levels, like 1 (or any starting level of any given class), 10, 50, 100, 150, 200, and 300,I've never understood the point of this.
>>727667743if i was to include minmaxing in my original reply to OP, you wouldn't have had to reply to a fucking mongoloid nigger now, wouldn't you?you fucking low grade debater.
>>727666825Yeah he was a decent attempt, but ranged classes create this issue where in 1 v 1 they have way less options to get attacks off where as, simple distractions allow them to very safely sit away from danger and freely deliver meaningful damage.This is why in MMOS they invented the constant ranged harassment phenomenon of the melee class dealing with various slashes and ground pounds while every boss can summon magical swords and rains of fire to make sure the mages feel threatened.I feel like if from REALLY wanted to do Co-OP better, more multiple boss fights and giving bosses way more quick ant-range options need to be given.
>>727667960Try playing through the game more than a couple times and maybe you will some day. The game gets more fun through limitations.>>727668005Shut the fuck up you illiterate nigger.
>>727668031>gets told>"SHUT UP"ok buddy.
>>727668031I do on other souls games and always replay ng+++ with the same character and keep leveling.
>>727655323both trans
>>727668220I don't bother with NG+, I just do NG with new builds because that's more fun than steamrolling NG+ with level 500 characters.
>>727642536Bro who cares just play to win.
>>727662236lmao stop deflecting Miyazaki's criticismHe's 100% responsible for this type of boss design, as it took its first steps exclusively under his watchI love that Tanimura haters always associare the issues of DS3 and ER to him, when its own game had the slowest and most legible boss movesets in the seriesYou're genuinely retarded
