>replay old favorite childhood game>it holds up BETTER than you rememberGoddamn, the Battle Network series was actually ahead of its time. It did the whole deck card battler thing before it was cool, and did the RPG/Action mix perfectly. The contrast between the real/cyber world is neat and blends in perfectly with the theme of its story. The combat/dialogue is snappy and does not waste your time.It's so good. Why did other games not learn from this?
If you say so. I recall going back and replaying one of the MMBN games sometime in 2010-2015 and found them quite boring. Once you're past the "oh neat, let's see what classic MM robot master looks like as a NetNavi" first time playing, I don't have much desire to play them again.Good to hear you had some fun with them.That said, I can understand what you mean. I went back and replayed The Adventures of Lolo games and they're pretty great. I was sort of expecting everything on the NES to just be boring or nostalgia, so it's nice to sit down and have fun with them. Sure, it's basically just a sokobon puzzle game, but still fun to play. Fire 'N' Ice was good as well, even if it had a garish color scheme.
>>727644648It's kind of interesting how much the games guessed right when it came to the future of technology before it even happened. I mean they got a lot of stuff wrong too so I guess it evens out, but it's still kind of surreal to play games that predates so many of the trends that grew to dominate the internet as we now know it, and address it in-game before it actually happened in real life.
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>>727647235What are you naming your ai navigation program?
>>727647235>play games that predates so many of the trends that grew to dominate the internetNot sure what you mean by that. Internet-connected home security had been around for 10 years before MMBN and those systems being vulnerable to hackers was always a thing. A lot of the rest were just expansions on that idea. Other than that, "darkweb" and the random l33tsp34k was common at the time as well.
The first Battle Network aged poorly, unfortunately. I have to play OSF now to make it palatable.
>>7276446484 was way better than I remembered, but also still really fucking garbage compared to the rest of the series. 1's still jank as fuck, but I forgive it since it's the first one.
I love Battle Network threads
>>727654062Please watch your netiquette
>>727655589F-forgive me Load Chaud.
Anyone interested in make mmbn fangame?Something like Showdown, but for MMBN
>>727657179Shanghai.exe already exists. Though I don't like its engine. Something in Godot/Unity would be much better.
>backtracking the game
>>727657773I mean a game dedicating on Battle
>>727657939There are several indie Battle Network clones that focus only on combat (One Step From Eden). Personally I think the contrast between the real and cyber world is a core tenant of the games.
>>727654062I remembered not hating BN4, but I only played through the story as a kid. Re-playing it for completion I can totally see why it's so hated.
>>727654062Honestly my most hated game is 5. It's the only game I didn't finish because I hated the liberation missions so much.
2>3>1>6>4>5
>>727651993i assume he probably meant like smart appliances and stuff. like connecting your oven probably seemed kinda dumb at the time but here we are
>>727657179>Anyone interested in make mmbn fangame?yes>Something like Showdown, but for MMBNeh that not so much, could be neat though
>>727658516im going to assume low iq
>>727644648I need to get back to this I 100% bn1 when this came out then just stopped, it was better than I expected a lot of people say 1 is like the worst thing ever
>>727654062bn4 is so good when you don't got a bitch in your ear telling you to 100%
>>727644648Yeah, MMBN is extremely based.
>>727658945Agreed. It's got arguably the most challenging virus battles and the infinite replays make it great to come back to every now and then.
>>727659020why do you keep posting bjorky on /v/
>>727644648The story half is so badI hope if they revive it they downplay that
>>727658139nta, but Eden kinda sucksNone of these clones ever make the combat feel good somehow, and I don't think the roguelite format really works for this gameplay premise
>>727659123
>>727644648The original Jet Set Radio>had to commit to jumps>tricks that are just grounded enough that you could imagine people performing them IRL>great fashion sense>suburban locations that act as levels rather than vice versa>graffiti minigameFuture is a really fun adventure platformer that allows you to move like no other game; the original is a timeless arcade game.
>>7276588851's just really rough around the edges. The post game has the positive of being much shorter than the following games' so you don't have to deal with the jank for very long.
>>727659447I honestly just skip 1 in my playthroughs. Too slow.
>>727658139>Personally I think the contrast between the real and cyber world is a core tenant of the games.True. I was always excited to explore in these games, looking for optional stuff to jack into for upgrades. Few games felt as good to explore in as this these. I think Golden Sun feels about the same because you're always on the lookout for more Djinn.
>>7276586365s liberation missions were more fun than the tournament arc especially since you had to do multiple playthroughs to meet all the different scenario brackets. Plus all the different Navis you get to play as is fun. I just wish Gutsman, Roll and Glide had been sprinkled in on the teams instead of Colonel and Knightman.
>>727660197The liberation missions were enjoyable but 5 was devoid of a story and the chip selection subpar
>>727660613>was devoid of a storynot any more so than 4
>>727660613but it has a story and the other thing is a massive skill issue.
>>727659426Pretty much any arcade structured Sega game is this for me. I go back and play them all the time and still find new ways to appreciate them
>>727644648Just replayed all of them when Legacy came out, they are still amazing. I actually liked 1 even more than I did the first time. 4 can still suck a dick though.I never played Star Force so I'm looking forward to going through all those and being disappointed.
>>727657939closest youd get is using open netbattle but it always feels slightly off compared to the actual gamesat least they have like 99% of the official series navis playable or something
>>727644648It wasn't a childhood game for me because i was like 20 when the game released.Still enjoyed the series a lot.
>>727661973Star Force 1 is alright, but has first game syndrome.Star Force 2 is the only divisive one, but the QOL added in the collection is going to help that one out a lot.Star Force 3 is the best one.
>>727658945I like that in BN4 viruses have chips so I get to use Jealousy. It's the only game I could use it in since I have no-one to netbattle.
>>727663380i used the shit out of jealousy in bn3. so many horrible virus encounters get insta S ranked with it
The Battle Network games are good, but the collection I'm lukewarm about. It's got DRM in it, so no modding or anything like that. I'd rather emulate the originals to be honest, but the collection is a good investment if you want a legal way to own the games.t. already owns the Classic collection, X collection and Zero collection
>>727663982I'm playing the games emulated on pic related. Peak comfy, would recommend.
>>727660613>Asteroid>SideBub (I bet you all have slept on SideBub.)>Airhoc>DrillArm>ElecReelAll powerful standard chips that are easy to use and get multi-hits too. Dark chips you can use. It's still got Bass, the Phoenixes are both great. Gridman is fun. Cosmoman and Cloudman are very strong multi hit Navichips. They both have further utility with object removal and a stun respectively. It's still got Varswrd and NeoVari. I can say I miss the elemental swords and the step-swords. Very cool. But 5 has the Pulsar + BoyBomb folder that is more fun than even that and sometimes, there have been moments where it was even cooler.
>>727663449Really?! Huh, I've played 3 a lot and it never occurred to me. How do you know when they have chips?
>>727664239only certain viruses do like swordies. but jealousy does 100 damage to all enemies per chip and pierces through guards AND doesnt count as a navi chip for the screen dimming style point punishmenti dont remember off the top which viruses have chips but some surprising ones do like mettaur 3s? i think have geddon. its not visible but they count as having them loaded in
>>727663982>It's got DRMIsn't it because it has actual online now? That's to be expected I guess. For a remaster of a bunch of GBA roms, they really did go above and beyond for these ports. This shit should be the bare minimum standard on how to do a remaster. Crazy how rare that is.
>>727664371Thats right, thats right. I did know they use chips sometimes but never bothered even trying to use Jealousy on them. Thanks.
>>727664417>remasterEhhhh, I don't think I'd describe them like that. They're more like faithful ports. A remaster would be something like the Pixel remasters for Final Fantasy.
>>727664067emulating on a handheld is great. This game series is meant to be portable. I find it is a lot easier to grind on handhelds vs a PC.
>>727664712"Enhanced port" but you are right.
>>727664712>the Pixel remasters for Final Fantasy.Good one. Those literally look worse than the originals.
>>727664897Nobody says a remaster will always look better, just that they changed a bunch of crap , graphics and music and whatnot. If you compare the legacy collection to the original games, they're pretty much 1:1
>>727665050The Diablo 2 remaster should be considered the gold standard for what a remaster is. You can bitch about censorship, changing aesthetics, etc. but it's objectively much higher fidelity than the original, and you can switch back to the original look if you please. The FF pixelshit is not a remaster. The assets are not higher fidelity than the original, they are the same resolution, with arguably less detail. The proper term is "demaster." I haven't listened to the music remakes so I can't really say anything about that. Modern Square Enix are borderline scammers.
>>727658516Pathetic, you've outed yourself in showing you're bad at strategy. It's clear even the devs knew 5 was the best one since it was the ONLY Network game that received a DS port with Double Team.
>>727665327Well, you're not gonna hear a disagreement from me. I still prefer the SNES Final Fantasy games over their r(d)emasters.
>>727659357It's just a goddamn shame that proper, non-RPG Maker RPGs are one of the genres indies just can't seem to make.
>>727644648Everyone hates 4 but i have a soft spot for it. except fuck the puzzles and backtracking fuckkkkk
>>727664181>I bet you have sleptIt's in my folder. Pulsar drillarm airhoc spam as the basis of every folder is subpar chip selection.
>>727664801Get a gaming laptop.
>>727667354>laptop>handheldBaka anon
>>727667354Nah man, with a handheld I can even play while I cook and stuff
>>727667423You're not in elementary school anymore. You don't need to keep it in your pockets or play under the blanket.
>>727667352I wasn't saying that at all. Look at all my other text. Your criteria for chips is missing and highly suspect besides.
>>727655202everyone loves megaman
>>727667458NTA but fuck you. I miss my GBA SP. Playing while huddled in bed is one of the best gaming experiences where you can get lost in the wonder of what's happening while shutting the rest of the world out.
>>727667641I'm saying there are clear standard chips that need to be in the folder lest the folder becomes inadequate as more than half of the available chips are not worth using whereas in other iteration of mmbn you can have variability and nuance with many of the available chips allowing for more interesting folder builds.
>>727668208You're simply wrong then. I just listed several chips that are undeniably strong and unique to eachother. None of them need to be in any folder. Easily 90% of the standard chips are worthwhile to have in a folder. Give up the grudge, 'cause you don't know what you're talking about.
>>727668570How many codes do you have in your folders?
>>727664801thats why i got it on switch
>>727668208I think you're just not creative, I used a bunch of wind chips and seeds to do crazy damage with gyro soul
>>727669261I've been very creative with the other iterations but what I'm saying is 5 has been the most restrictive. 2 and 3 are the best for folder creation.
>>727668939I'm glad you asked. I've got BN5 running right now because of this thread. >Folder1: 3 codes (C, NeoVari V and BassAnlyF)>Folder2: 1 code (O)Generally across the series. I used to go for unicode no matter what. Later I enjoyed dual-coded during the early to mid-game. Now, I like throwing any chip I get in the folder as I play through the story. Real alphabet soup stuff with big chip. Of course, getting through time trials requires (basically) unicode in all of 'em. So its (mostly) unicode in the endgames
>>727669261Bro, I use Pulsar -> BoyBomb -> Varsword for 400 damage, with stun in a 6-square area. (variable depending on the sword you use)Its my favorite folder ever. It almost felt like discovering my own program advance.
>>727668939What's a folder or code that you've really liked? From any game.
>>727669895S-code in 5 Colonel feels really fun without being absolutely broken like G-code in 2 or P-code in 3. Colonel version can use KnightSoul with DrillArm and AirHock chips as your main offense
>>727669895I like P-code from BN3. It's stepsword city. Plus Plantman and Sensor which are kinda broken.
>>727669895MMBN6 is RTV and ABCJ mmbn3 I have a PF folder based on ice stage * and plasma 3 with flashman and plantman stuns that destroys.
I just kinda throw in what ever chips i like
>>727670459That's what it's all about.
>>727651993IoT was absolutely not a thing in 2001, nor were smartphones, nor was cryptocurrencyIt's actually startling how much MMBN correctly predicted
>>727670459for me simply, it's using a flexible array of chips from the stongest i have with the same code. my mmbn 4 folder is half full of c code chips. never found any use for rockcubes and open panel attack chips except for fighting nebula gray. and my navi cust settings are just custom programs and hp+ and attack +'s i've beaten 1 2 3 5 6. even then i still feel like a plep playing that way. like it's missing something.
>>727670685>nor was cryptocurrencydamn is fighting viruses just crypto mining?
>>727671232Well, sometimes you get zenny from beating viruses and how much zenny you get depends on how well your performance in battle is, so...
>>727670685God I hope they got this one right.
>>727669895F/P in BN3 was pretty much the only way I could enjoy playing that game since a majority of the chips in the game are either hit like pool noodles or are incredibly cumbersome to just try and use. Nuking shit with Plant/Flashman on the other hand is very simple, especially when the only setup you really need is element attack increasing chips or just ice stage for Flashman.V code in 4 is pretty crazy>Super Vulcan>Air Hoc 3; only one in V but can be used as a part of a nuclear PA>Video Man>MagnumIt's a bit too specialized to be an all purpose unicode folder, but it works as a fantastic source of damage if you're willing to have more than one code in your deck
>>727671496The two judges left hand right hand red and blue.... a test of character
Reminder that judges have been replaced by a TREE in this setting. A TREE.
>>727671586You laugh now. But it might happen in the future!
>>727670685Internet-connected home security systems were available for over a decade at that point, and were pretty common. Nobody hooked up their stove or washing machine to the internet at that point, but that was seen as comical and a stupid thing to do. It still is, but people now do it.>smartphonesI don't recall any smartphones in MMBN. In fact, it was a plot point in at least one game where Lan can't jack into a device unless it was standing next to it. He needed to get a wireless USB device to throw at the jackin ports in order to access them when he couldn't reach.>cryptocurrencyZenny in MMBN works just like Zenny in Mega Man Legends or Zenny in Breath of Fire. You kill something, they drop Zenny into your infinite wallet. Its nothing like crypto. If somebody sends you a crypto virus, you don't get to access their cryptowallet and then get all the funds if you manage to "bust" that virus, for one.
early game every time.
>>727671692>>727670685Actually Battle Network was sorely out of date on how the internet works by pretty much the second game. The method of web browsing where you directly connect to specific devices was already out of fashion by the time BN1 hit worldwide release.
>>727671692>I don't recall any smartphones in MMBNa pet is basically one
>>727672123the original PET looks like a a even smaller nintendo switch lite with a keyboard.
I have slopped Mayl.
>>727672431>Still no AI Chat using Net Navi characterWHAT THE POINT OF AI THEN???
>2025>Still No MMBN NAVI AIWhat the fuck????Like that should be the first fucking thing Capcom should do
>>727674018>>727673604Turns out people are fine with just plain text as long as it's sycophantic enough.
>>727644648 >replay old favorite childhood game >it holds up BETTER than you rememberThat's normal. Modern gaming is simply shit so older games feel even better than before
>>727674075>Modern gaming is simply shitif you play shit games sure
>>727652343It's okay but the lack of proper escaping and LocEnemy makes the shitty Internet shittier. 2 is so much better it's like they were sorry.
>>727671692>defeat someone in court (figuratively kill them)>they drop dollars in your infinite wallet
>>727663982>It's got DRM in it, so no modding or anything like that.https://github.com/RockmanEXEZone/chaudloader?tab=readme-ov-file#chaudloaderThe loader had a first release a week after launch back when it had Denuvo.
>>727674059>>727674018So, how long until we have chat ai that can actually show face?
>>727674318no
>>727674586It is foretold that the autonavi gets blamed for societies problems on the net and subsequently gets shut down.
>>727674586when I fucked around with sillytavern or whatever it's called you could add image packs. it would gauge the emotion of the line in real time and swap in the appropriate image.
>>727674586Isn't that Neuro-sama?
>>727674636yeah, digimon time stranger just came out its lke the best digimon game so far, inazuma elevan victory road is really good, fire emblem engage is like the best fe game imo, the splatoon seres is fun, deltarune is great, metaphore refantazio was good. acting like new games arent good is silly
>>727644648Im playing Luna's games for the first time, but i will replay battle network after starforce 3
>>727674956Metaphor Refantazio is a reminder that Etrian Odyssey is dead and buried. i loved fe engage but it's not fire emblem anymore, it's...different.
>>727675247>it's...different.not really, it feels more like fire emblem than the game before it.> is a reminder that Etrian Odyssey is dead and buriedno point in keeping it alive without the ds, plus it already had like 6 games and 2 remakes it had a good run
>>727675480>no point in keeping it alive without the dsIf you mean for the drawing it's surprisingly intuitive on mouse and keyboard. Keyboard to move and mouse to draw and it works at the same time.
who would win?
>>727675561>mouse and keyboard.
>>727675646lan if he goes all out
>>727675664It works and it works well.
>>727675764consoles dont have easy access to a mouse and keyboard and atlus isnt about to make a pc exclusive lmao, maybe we can get like a spiritual successor or something very similar from another company
>>727675901I'd say consoles have easy access because USB and Bluetooth, even the Switch 2 has it standard, but it would look and feel stupid. A keyboard in EOHD is just movement and menus anyway.
MADE for handholding sex
>>727675646here's a shitty edit i made, in ms paint.
>>727676041You want as little barrier of entry as possible for a game and a lot of people dont have a keyboard and mouse
>>727676239did you mean to misspell kangaroo
>>727654062BN4 on 3rd cycle is more fun than the rest of the BN games save for 3 and 6. It also has my favorite net and battle aesthetics.
TWEWY is radioactive without original hardware. You will get hung by fans since you can't engage with the top screen battle minigame properly.
>>727676287shit! my mistake. here i improved it.
>>727674075Yeah, not the absolute rule>playing Mana Khemia again>depend on randomized party members effect to get the crafted item exactly on the grade required to complete quest>crafting is worse than contemporary Atelier games>the story is garbage MC to the main antagonist: Thank you for killing the only being that might as well be a parental figure, also thank you for killing my best friend, also thank you for turning the teachers against me, driving me to lose my powers and almost destroy the world
>>727644648>replay old favorite childhood game>it holds up BETTER than you rememberI've never not had this experience desuEvery time I revisit a game from my childhood I find something new to appreciate about it that I was too young to before
>>727666057Theyre a big risk to make as they take a long time to develop and people would rather play whatever gambling sim northern lion is playing
>>727644648>It's so good. Why did other games not learn from this?Most likely it's because the world and lore was so well integrated into the gameplay that it's way harder to recreate as opposed to going the EZ route with a metroidvania game. That or most developers straight up never played the Battle Network series and would never know how indepth the game was as one of the few titles that had an e-sports league on the GBA of all systems.
