It’s Over Before It Even Began
why?
>>727644902Tonight, on things that make zero sense and are likely misreported by people who are bad at their jobs:
>>727644902troonixsistas...
LINUX GAMI-ACK!!!!!!!!
>>727644902Read the page that headline's from.They tested Steam OS with an Nvidia GPU and used Gamescope with MangoHud to measure FPS.
>>727645263There will just be jeet-free forks, ez. Nobody has to accept jeets in any distro because if they don't like it, they can just fork it lmao.
>>727645042>why?It's supposedly a 4k (with FSR3 ;)) system, and 8GB VRAM is not nearly enough for 4k. Even aggressively upscaled 4k with low/medium textures needs more than 8GB VRAM. This system will only play at its intended resolution with games released before ~2023.
>>727645424that doesn't answer the question of why linux performed worse>>727645303>nvidia gpuah, there it is
>>727645303Jesus Christ
>>727644902>testing linux with an nvidia GPUMicrosoft did this
>>727645402KDE is the most popular desktop environment and it's riddled with jeets
https://youtu.be/Bg99bsQT3_E?t=8718GB is fine.
>>727645543>>727645635Cope. 98% of PC gamers use nVidia. It's the way it's meant to be played.
>>727645303It is no surprise. Ars is extremely biased towards Microsoft. The previous Steam Machine they declared incapable of working with TVs because it failed to work with an obscure non-standard monitor. They just wrote another article blaming the Open Source graphics driver for not implementing a feature it was blocked from supporting by the HDMI Forum's lawyers.
>>727645635Does support for AMD last longer than two years on Linux? That's one thing Nvidia always mogged them with at least as far as Windows was concerned
>>727645720>Soiboi>GoW BettermanLike clockwork
linux programmers are contrarians so they give shitty driver support to Nvidia graphics cards despite being in 90% of gaming PCs. Linux is only for AMD owners.
>>727645180SPBP. Jews are mad valve isn't public.
>>727645852>Does support for AMD last longer than two years on Linux?The AMD Linux driver does not share any source code with the driver for legacy operating systems. The current generation driver supports everything back to first-gen GCN. The previous generation drivers are also still maintained, although not great anymore since that is pre-Vulkan hardware and Gallium Nine isn't maintained anymore.
>>727645303Hahaha holy fuck lying kikes
>>727645303>Ars found that games like Returnal are playable on an RX 7600 with just 8GB of RAM at 1440p and max settings in Windows. But switch to SteamOS, and the performance is less than a third. The same issue is not present with the 16GB RX 7600 XT. These are AMD cards. Not sure if you're looking at the wrong article. The article basically says SteamOS may not have proper raytracing support though. Otherwise the performance difference wasn't that big. People claiming Linux is better all-around are usually a bit dishonest.
>>727646068Thats all on nvidia to fix their problems.
Linux sisters ... it's was our only chance
>>727645402think again
>>727646068>Linux is one personNvidia refuses to release their drivers to the Linux kernal and instead chooses to make them a package download. This means only they and those they approve can work on them.
>>727646196Why do you think the GamersNexus dude didn't want to make a direct comparison when that is literally his job and he even asked for help from an actual linux autist? It's all lies and hypocrisy
>Linux struggles to run slopHow is this a problem for Linux gaming? Get better taste in games.
Oh no, anyway
No shit it's running on an emulator layer translating DX12 calls to vulkan. In no universe is that going to be faster than native>B-B-BUT THE BENCHMARKS ON LE STEAM DECK!No shitty gimped 13W handhelds don't count and are not a real indicator.
>>727644902>Windows 11 performs betterOkay, that's how you know it's bullshit.
>>727645303>shit posting to defend gabe/linuxDo they at least pay you?
>>727645303>Loonixtard literally lying again
>>727645303>They tested Steam OS with an Nvidia GPU and used Gamescope with MangoHud to measure FPS.But SteamOS isn't released yet, the only one available is the ancient deprecated one from the mid-10s and based on Debian.
>>727644902Proof?
>>727645720This guy has a weekly podcast where he says that the Steam Deck is the best handheld ever for 2 hours straight despite the fact that better device were release since then.
>>727644902satya nadella conducted the test
>>727645263>twitter post has any meritIf tranny janny isn't such a social drag, they should delete all of them on sight
>>727644902KWABOTY
>>727644902Total steamie death kek
>>727646068>linux programmers are contrarianswrongjust look at the discourse with Rust
>>727647082Proton isn't an emulator. None of these games are native on any platform. NT runs these games through a compatibility layer and uses vendor drivers that wrap the mid-level D3D12 to internal APIs that may or may not be lower level. Not that different from how VKD3D implements D3D12 in low-level Vulkan that is handled by RadV.There's not necessarily any performance penalty other than games being optimized for vendor drivers, and not being optimized for VKD3D putting the burden on VKD3D devs to try to figure out what games are doing that is slow.Still would be better if more game developers would target Vulkan since D3D12 is such shit.
>linux is now associated with trannies and indianslinuxsisters and linuxjeets...
DEAD STEAMIES
>>727644902Wtf was Gabe thinking
>>727647517Saar, do not redeem. Rape you next day ok banchood
>>727645042Seems like raytracing works better in windows?
>>727647754Being able to see who are the ones actually shilling it is amazing.
>>727647857he wasn't
>>727645745You don't get it. Nvidia is broken on Linux. The memory management in the driver is fucked. Steam Machine doesn't use a Nvidia GPU for a good reason. Because it's shit on Linux. You can use it, but it's still shit.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Fucking LMAO
I have 2GB VRAM and everything I want to play just werks.
>>727644902that's not everyone else's experience
LMAOROFL
>>727645402>they can just fork it lmao.forking is a monumental effort. besides, if they take over upstream, you're fucked and will have to merge their changes unless you fancy kernel development
>>727645303>NOOOOO HOW DAY YOU GET BETTER PREFORMANCE ON WINDOWS THIS WAS LINUX' TIME TO SHINE!
Just don't try to run shit at ultra settings, its not hard, even mhwilds runs decently on my 4060 8gb at high and with a little dlss it look and run fine
>>727644902Oy vey windows users are declining release the article!
Kill steamies. Behead steamies. Roundhouse kick a steamie into the concrete. Slam dunk a steamie baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy steamies. Defecate in a steamie's food. Launch steamies into the sun. Stir fry steamies in a wok. Toss steamies into active volcanoes. Urinate into a steamie's gas tank. Judo throw steamies into a wood chipper. Twist steamie heads off. Report steamies to the IRS. Karate chop steamies in half. Curb stomp pregnant steamies. Trap steamies in quicksand. Crush steamies in the trash compactor. Liquefy steamies in a vat of acid. Eat steamies. Dissect steamies.
>>727644902bullshit windows 11 runs like shit
>>727648881Cope nigger.
KEK KEK KEK KEK
Linux fags just got eternally blown the fuck out. They will NEVER recover from this.>MFW I'm a Windows 11 master race member!It feels good, lads.
UH OH STINKY
*fart noises*
>>727645651ah so thats why "open terminal here" does not work
>>727644902gm saar
>>727649448Lmao shut up faggot
>>727648023The way you phrased that outs you as an ESL THOUGH
I have a 5600X+6700XTI already have a steam machine so I installed steamOS. I'll be buying the controller for sure.Since I dont have a steam controller, I have my xbox controller for games that need mouse I just create a mode shift and left trigger aim makes the mouse sensitivity to 25%SteamOS is the future of PC gaming.
>>727649675>SteamOS is the future of PC gaming.It does absolutely nothing that Arch with Steam installed can't do.
>>727645424>games released before ~2023I don't see that as an issue, no good games have been released since 2022.
i can't keep it up like Jarrell can...
>>7276499392018*
>>727650141I'd bump it to 2019 just because of Disco Elysium.
>>727649807>It does absolutely nothing that Arch with Steam installed can't do.So you're saying there's no point in installing Arch?
>>727649675>blank desktop wh-where are your games desu
>>727645651Wow you're telling me that the conference in india is full of indians? Go fucking figure.
Modern games are already struggling with 12GB VRAM. 8GB won't be enough play most games that come out in 2027.
>>727650420Arch is fully open source and can be audited, while SteamOS is the product of an amer*can corporation
>>727649675>SteamOS is the future of PC gaming.Might even be the future of casual PC use if microjeet continues making shit gay and lame.
>>727645263you know these fucking streetshitters are going to turn everything into windows just by their sheer mass
>>727650845SteamOS is also open source and can be audited, retard.
>>727646105This.
>>727644902Grim
>>727644902And everything will be pricey because AI aren't done with ruining GPU market they're fucking up the RAM market. Just wait till they fuck up the SSD and motherboard market too
You know /v/ has been infested with third worlders when there are genuine windows shills post 7
>>727645263>encountered problems on ubuntu >search up solutions on youtube>click on something>thick Indian accent>click on another>thick indian accent>turn on captions>watch on muteBros....
im tired of this jeet vs jeet console war on pc. you can buy it or dont buy it. im more interested in the steam frame anyways, i already have a linux computer hooked up to a tv, it runs kodi so i can watch my chinese cartoons and movies i got off tpb
>>727645263It's actually insane that any government or military would use an operating system with unpublished source code.
>>727652227You say that like this isn't every tech support video.
>>727645042A lack of proper testing. Linux troons never tried running anything that requires more than 8gb of ram until valve decided to use it as a gaming os.
>>727647385GPD is his favorite tho?? But also yes the 'eck is still the best as a whole package.
>>727649224I'm still on windows 10 with security updates. kill yourself AInigger
>>727645303kek
>>727651618Great, could you get me the link to the repository?
>>727652227why arent white niggas making more tech help videos to combat or level the playing field then?
>>727646196What kind of retard would turn on memetracing with those specs?
>you now have to be pro windows otherwise you are a jeetWhat the fuck has this board devolved into?
>>727658737saar please, no india here, we are americans and love linux, please saar believe me
>>727644902>nvidia>SteamOSCande Nast is the same company that owns Leddit. So it makes sense they'd fail at such a simple task. CachyOS should have been used if Nvidia. SteamOS doesn't support Nvidia and their kernel has no fixes for Nvidia like the CachyOS customized kernel.
>>727644902>operative system>8gb vramwha? an operative system shoukd work with less than 1gb of RAM, what flashy effects does it use to justify 8gb of VRAM?
>>727645303>>727645543>only the most popular 90% of the marketshare GPU manufacturer>gabe wants people to use steamos to game on other devices than cube and deck...gee...
>>727657789i don't think i've ever actually been helped by a tech video. it doesn't seem as good as proper documentation elsewhere. feels more like videos are for more tech illiterate people.
>>727651618SteamOS is not fully open-source. Enjoy placing your trust in some amerifat commiefornians because you're so attached to the Steam brand. Arch is European-made and completely open, and it can do everything SteamOS and all of its other various derivatives can.
>>727644902kek
>>727644902The article that killed the steam machine, damn son!
>>727645720>OS: Bazzite 43
>>727645042Linux is less efficient with memory than Windows.
>>727658853linus torvalds tranny porn folder has to be loaded into memory on every distro
>>727645263Unironically bullish for microsoft
its so funny how the mere mention of linux cause insurmountable seethe
>>727658926PS5 and SW2 use nvidia+windows?
>>727645180This
>>727646142>gallium nineI'm still mad that faggot mike ripped gallium nine out. That was still useful and now I have to run an old version of mesa on one of my machines. There isn't even something like the mesa-amber branch for that purpose.
>>727661342what does the trannystation have to do with this?
>>727661369>REEEE IT CAN'T BE THAT WINDOWS IS SUPERIOR TO LINUX IN ANY WAY! IT JUST CAN'T BE!cope more, tranny
>>727644902W11 doesn't even know what to do with 32GB of ram I constantly have file explorer freezing. I actually liked Windows 10 I didn't jump on the hatewagon on that OS but Windows 11 deserves all it's hate.
>>727660259lmao what
>>727660151Bazzite is just Fedora Atomic Desktop OS without any of the accelerations from SteamOS so it performs worse but supports Nvidia. CachyOS is what should be used. It is SteamOS but with support for Nvidia and in fact superior to SteamOS for performance. It is so much more superior that Valve now takes customizations from CachyOS to implement in SteamOS. It is the cutting edge in gaming OSs and there is no substitute. It is the peak of gaming operating systems by a wide margin.
>>727661538What do consoles have to do with a thread about an upcoming console? I don't know man, you tell me.
>>727661545the correct comparison would be to test the same hardware setup with both operating systems and not to compare amd and nvidia, because those gpus have entirely different instruction sets and memory usage characteristics as a byproductyou want to control as many variables as possible when doing this sort of testing
>>727661664its about an operating system, waht do locked down consoles having to do with an operating system that u can install on unlocked devices?
>>727661557It's a fact. On paper linux looks like it uses less memory but memory utilization is actually less efficient on linux than windows and linux also handles running low on memory much worse than windows does.
>>727661817In my experience the complete opposite of this is true.Linux is both more memory-efficient and handles low-memory conditions better than Windows.
>>727661817No, it's not. They allocate memory in entirely different manners, you fucking retard. Assuming you configure windows to have a fixed size page file, the memory exhaustion behavior is actually WORSE there, you get a popup about low memory and then the entire OS locks up. On Linux, at least I can just hit Alt+Print+F to kill whatever is eating the most memory immediately.
>>727661758Steam OS targets specific hardware, like MacOS does, you can not install it on any device.
So I keep hearing about Linux and hate W11, what are some things I should take into consideration when using this OS?
>>727662026>>727662030You're both wrong.It's well known Linux doesn't handle low memory well and this is even acknowledged by the devs. They have said it's because they don't design linux to be used by some tard as a personal computer. They design linux to be run on a server located in a rack. They don't think it's practical to give a warning and expect a user to kill processes to free memory because there's not actually going to be someone sitting there monitoring it. They expect you to buy more hardware they're going to need and that's it.
>>727644902Is there even any released hardware SteamOS officially supports that comes with 8GB VRAM? I though SteamOS only supported the Deck and a few other handhelds, those don't have VRAM.
>W11 performs significantly better wi-Stopped reading lol
>>727662203Install Windows and Linux on two 512 MB RAM devices and let's make comparison if that's what you believe.
>>727661668That is what they did in the article
>>727662240The upcoming Gabecube will.
>>727662426They should make an article where they install Windows on an Iphone 16 and compare it to iOS too while they are at it.
>>727662535K
>>727662080DUMBASS
>>727662624You're cute*slaps butt*
in other news why do i have to install windows 11 to use RTX HDR?its so retarded
>>727644902>Windows 11My Windows 11 fucks up with 96 GB VRAM, I don't believe for a fucking second that it will run better than Linux with 8 GB.
>>727645402>jeet-free forksHope that include Bazzite, mint, and arch.
>>727662684>general FAQ>Does this mean I can install SteamOS on any device?>We expect most SteamOS users to get SteamOS preinstalled on a Steam Deck or device that incorporates SteamOS. The only devices officially supported on SteamOS right now are Steam Deck and Legion Go S.
>>727662739Steam Machine comes with an ATI card not nVidia.
>>727662774I know you're joking but I would literally rather use SteamOS with 8GB than Windows 11 with infinite RAM.
>>727662793and yet i have it installed on rog ally and a laptop gee... do u ahve any laptops wiht ps5 OS installed?
>>727662886Did you not read the article?
>>727662910You installed it on unsupported hardware.>do u ahve any laptops wiht ps5 OS installed?You mean FreeBSD? I've used OpenBSD before if that counts.
>>727663016I'm just gonna choose to believe that Gaben has this all figured out. I'd rather trust Gaben than Satya Nadella.
>>727662203A server in a rack is actually much more likely to run out of memory than a desktop, those things get abused to hell by shitty code or a batch job that loads ginormous data files into memory for no good reason. There's no great way to deal with oom but just killing suspicious shit until the pain stops is reasonable enough to me desu.Telling the user to kill shit won't work because the ui will be lagging to uselessness by the time you realize there's a problem.
>>727662886>jokingI'm not even fucking joking. When I open a game with 10 GB VRAM used my fucking VNC windows fuck up and crash because Windows decides that I'm running out of memory for some reason. If I try to load a model it tries to allocate double memory and VRAM. Memory management in Windows is so fucking horrendous, both for system memory and VRAM.
this shit is obviously fakewithout windows eating everything games will run 20% better
>>727663097That is a very interesting story but it isn't really concerning to me. I won't be playing any serious video games on my Steam Machine. I'll be using it as a casual PC, mostly internet browsing, shitposting, and light gaming (think Kenshi, Rimworld, that type of thing).
>>727663179>interesting story but it isn't really concerning to me
>>727663252:^)
>>727663179That's fine. I'm just saying that anyone claiming that Windows is better than Linux with anything even remotely related to memory management is delusional or a shill. Windows is a fucking trap.
>>727645402Jeets don't accept foreigners in their government or important systems like military/infrastructure, and others should do the same back.
>>727644902>15% sloweryikes
>>727663321that's antisemitic, America and every other country (besides Israel) needs Indians and they need to place them in positions of authority so they can get their Indian slaves working for them to replace the local population
>>727645303Ars has the biggest Microsoft shills I've ever seen in their article comment sections
>>727663538https://rumble.com/v3w7qn6-oy-vey-shut-it-down-2023.html
>>727646006>tepid memesNo argument retardo.Try harder next time.
>>727650478You don't use shortcuts on the steam deck you use CMD lines.
>>727645424The frame buffer size with 24-bit color depth for the most common "4K" resolution, 3840x2160, is: 3840 x 2160 x 3 = 24883200, i.e. slightly below 25 megabytes. 8GB is plenty for 4K, the problem is that the GPU doesn't have enough power to render the image at that resolution in modern AAA games.
>>727644902Windows 11 can't even run the file explorer apparently lol
The biggest thing that’ll hurt them pr wise is the 4k claim it’ll be perfect for 1080/1440 in most scenarios.
>>727667613The problem is not the amount of memory the final rendered frame takes up. It's how much memory it takes to generate that frame. This is not decoding a video stream. There's a lot of very complex calculations involved.
>>727669020problem is that 4k is a great marketing term and everyone has a 4k tv these days. marketing it as 1440p has normies going "whaa?"
>>727662360Which Windows and which Linux?
>>727646625>AMD shill doesn't want to make AMD look bad:O
>>727657789Because white people are the ones writing the fucking documentation that you can easily Ctrl+F on, instead of a 20min Youtube vid.
>>727667613>24bitmoshi moshi, 2002 desu ne?
>>727673097No one does 10-bit colour outside of HDR displays, which barely anyone supports. 24bit framebuffer output is enough, unless you think the framebuffer needs an alphachannel for some reason.
>>727674329Daiz, please
>>727644902>(((martindale)))
/v/ tricked me into buying a 9070XT for 16GB VRAM. Nobody needs that much VRAM and now the Gabecube is locking in sub-8 VRAM for the next decade. I hate you all.
>>727671771Eleven, Void lxde
>>727645303They used a RX 7600. Kill yourself steamshill.
>>727645263>monetary incentive for contributionChrist I can smell the tidal wave of garbage genned pull requests from across time.
>>727674649I don't think 200,000 gabecube's are gonna shape the market too much
>>727674649Literally everyone will tell you to only buy nvidia. It's been nvidia for over 20 years. V-ram is for AI which only workd on nvidia.
>>727674649>Nobody needs that much VRAM
sounds sus
>>727674947>use le heaviest windows and a lightweight linuxloony troony trying to be honest for 1 second challenge (impossible)
>>727675469This is what happens when you fall for the 4K meme
>>727644902(IOBIEB)
do people really believe that valve is working with official versions of software?
>>727676124Nobody needs more than 640k.
>Windows 11That's all you need to read to know it's a bullshit Microsoft shill article.
arse technica...
>>727652227Now look up who makes up the vast majority of Microsoft support reps
>>727645263>monetary incentive for "contributing" to linuxhistory repeating itself
>>727658926What? Nvidia? That's not a gpu company, they are an AI/datacenter company. Not a surprise games don't run well on their hardware.
>>727658737An easily astroturfed oneJust look at how the mods did nothing about the constant EGS shilling several years back
>>727644902yes im sure they went all in on something that doesn't actually work
>>727647670Rust is pretty fruity NGL.The cult-like behavior of its evangelists reminds me a whole fucking lot of Java.
>>727675579Wtf is a lightweight Linux, it uses the same kernel as everything else
>>727675210ring the notification bell on the biggest github projects and enjoy the free entertainment@UNREAL PLEASE MERGE VERY BEAUTIFUL
>>727678173lmao you really cant be honest
>>727652227What the FUCK are you doing with linux that you want video help and not text?
>>727678454>says something retarded>refuses to elaborateBased wintroon.
>>727659437Yea because Europe is the bastion for free speech
>>727678627lawl
>>727653348just because it's not published to the public doesn't mean the government isn't in on it
>>727644902valvejeets take another Lpoop deck floppedpoop machine already a disappointment
>>727678940Neither of those use nvidia hw though
>>727678534>ummmmm what does lightweight mean? haha i dont know xDDDdisingenuous faggots get the rope
>>727679354There's no lightweight Linux, Void uses the same kernel as everything else, using Ubuntu or Arch is not going to make it a different Linux, wintroon.
Will the shit with RAM affect the availability of the Steam Machine and whatever price it's supposed to get?
>>727679616yeah bro let me just install that pajeet Garuda linux on 512MB RAM
>>727645263Thought that was Dr. Breen from the thumbnail
>>727678682ragebait
>>727680215Why can't he enter the school if he's a teacher?
>>727645402>jeet-free forkskeking my ass off right now, there isn't one
>>727644902The fuck? The Steam Deck exists. And SteamOS takes up fuckall RAM.
>>727645263Can't we just switch to a distro that isn't updated by poojeets?
Well it makes sense, lack of dx12 means that the games will underperform, no matter how good the hardware is.
>>727645263This is great news! Now we can shit on linux even harder! LMAO
>>727645852I got the Steam versoin of Blue Archive playing on Lenovo X140e my friend found in a dumpster. Even Vulkan worked. I was very surprised.
>>727680140Bro do you think Pepsi water and dasani water are different things too lmao
>>727648821luv me steam
>>727645852Valve has some Hungarian dude who works on AMD drivers for the 7000 series and they can run Cyberpunk on them. So yeah longer than two years.
>Linux manages to achieve 90% compatibility with Windows vidya with 90% of it's performance which on it's own is a massive achievement>Linuxfags are jumping the gun to proclaim it's superior in every way to Windows and shit their pants when reality hits them like a truckThat's why you'll never dominate the market and that's why Valve will never release a generic SteamOS distro.
>>727680885He got fired. Judge told him to stay away, he kept standing at the entrance and got arrested for it three times.The problem's not his opinions, it's that he kept ignoring a judge's orders. Also I highly doubt he's got a life sentence. That's fake news
>>727681779one post, just one post where you're honest, can you do it
>>727684159>of it is performance>on it is own
>>727657789because white people are ungrateful golems that would never help a nigga with anything even with a gun pointed to their head"fuck you I got mine" they say, and then they go extinct kek
>>727684259Ok but WHY did he get fired.
>>727684346>"fuck you I got mine"Based high BWC energy, a tbp could never.
>>727645263KEK
>>727684346if white people go extinct the world will go back to the stone age
>>727686687If White people go extinct no woman will ever orgasm again.
>>727686687it won't happen during your or my lifetime so who cares
>Arse techniggapfffffffffttBRRRAAAAPPPPPAPAPAPFFFFFF *lump of coiled shit plops on the floor*
fucking jeets. their random 300 view videos on obscure technical issues arent even good anymore. that was the last straw they can all fuck off now
>>727657789>monetize videos>make thousands of videos>make only $10,000/yearwhat is $1 in a western country versus $1 in the biggest third world shitholes?
>>727687273Sub Saharan Africa?
>>727650278>just because of Disco Elysium.not a good game, faggot.
>>727644902that sounds like fake news, the steamdeck runs it at less vram
>>727645303lmaoooo
>>727646625because you can't make a direct comparison, as the tools used to measure performance are different between linux and windows.
>>727645424>It's supposedly a 4k (with FSR3 ;)) system,I don't know why valve went with that marketing strategy, whoever came up with it was probably retarded.
>>727646196NTA, and i dont know what tests they ran, but i have SteamOS(original, not Bazzite) installed on my old couch PC(RX 6600 8GB), and i get vastly better performance in Returnal on it than i do with Win11With Win11, with FSR on i get to 90-100 fps at 1080pWith SteamOS, without FSR i get to 120fps at 1440pin both cases the graphic settings are the same
>>727647321isnt steamos the thing steamdeck uses?
>>727690509ignore what that anon said, he has no idea what he's talking about
>>727689940Did they fix that bug with memory leak? I heard the performance goes to shit after a few hours reading through some Steam reviews. I have an RTX 4050 and wanted to try it
