Why did Linux fail to take off as a gaming OS?Hell it’s doing worse than Mac gaming.Is it due to lack of mainstream support or the fact that every game takes tons of tweaking to maybe work?
because it doesn't come preinstalled on prebuilt PCs
>>727648854>Hell it’s doing worse than Mac gamingopinion discarded
It needs more retard proofing>t. Switched to it this weekend and cant figure out how to get my browser to use the fucking file manager
>>727648854Because 80-90% of the population is retarded and needs to be spoonfed when it comes to technology. In order for any linux distro to ever become mainstream it will have to be as dumbed down as osx or windows are when it comes to the user experience and having it do everything for you. Will any distro ever do that? Who knows. Mint TRIES to do that but its still linux and so its not really.
>>727648854Because SteamOS is just starting to get support in the last couple years even though it's been around for a decade.The first Steam machine was a dud so the only people Linux gaming were people already on Linux. The install base was so small that it was a low priority for devs. The Steam Deck is the first product to take non-Linux users and put them on a Linux based OS and it was popular enough that devs made it a priority to work with Valve and optimize there games for the Deck's hardware and SteamOS
No one wants to use Troonix, it’s highly autistic requiring command line shit to do the simplest tasks and full of inexplicable glitches which vary arbitrarily depending on your hardware. I tried installing RetroArch once and the cursor and menu items were all glitched into being large squares.
I'm kind of okay with Linux never taking off, though.I like how it works now, and it going more main-stream might change how it works.I enjoy the fact that I have to go full-autism in order to figure out what environment variables I want for my Nvidia GPU to work with my DE.I enjoy the fact that I have to specifically seek out some random library in order to run some random github program because I'm trying to set a video file as my wallpaper.I enjoy running through config files to setup my waybar.
>>727650341sounds like a skill issue. i just installed retroarch with sudo dnf install retroarchit worked right out of the box.
>>727650778What are you downloading in qBittorrent?
It didn't7% of Steam's English speakers already use Linux Who gives a shit about the spic/chink/russian adoptionThat's a huge number if you account for modern tech illiteracy, the vast majority of windows users can't install an isoAll that needs to happen is gamer facing Linux hardware from more than just valve themselves
>>727650969pluribus episode 6
>>727648854>every game takes tons of tweaking to maybe work?Shut the fuck up retard.
>>727651058Do you live in a country where the ISPs don't send out cease and desist letters?
>>727651318i do. i just turned off my vpn so i could post and paused the download while i did so. private internet access works pretty good on linux i find but i might move to mullvad once my subscription is up
It's amazing how you can just write whatever shit out of your ass, frame it as a question, and you'll get a bunch of replies "explaining" it.Its like some people just want to sound like they understand things, so they'll try to explain anything without even bothering to think if its true
I spent probably a solid 12 hours trying to get linux to work only to realize my wifi dropped for a couple seconds mid installation. So I was left with tons of shit just missing and I couldnt figure out how or why everything was broken.
>>727650341>I tried installing RetroArch once and the cursor and menu items were all glitched into being large squares.This is not a glitch it happens when you don't have the icons installed, which are separated into a different package on some distros, notably on Arch.It would not happen if you just downloaded and ran the Retroarch .AppImage from the site.
>>727651556Oh nice! I'm using NordVPN!Unfortunately, one of my torrents showed up on this website. Fortunately, it's just a pornographic torrent that contains old videos!https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/It's not like I'm downloading the newest slop from HBO, Netflix, Paramount, etc.
>>727651843what distro were you trying to install?
>>727651318What is going on in the greyed out countries?
>>727652176It's a mystery!
>>727652020>mfw my list is empty because there's nothing worth torrenting anywayNot my problem I guess
>>727648854>Hell it’s doing worse than Mac gaming.No it's not.It's not "doing well", but it's not Mac bad.I seem several developers just abandon the mac completely due the pants on head retarded requirements, while linux you just stick a pendrive to test and if it runs on the steam chroot, bob's your uncle.Also Wine don't run on M(x) macs, so you can't even play windows games on it without using a full blown shitty slow paid emulator.
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>>727648854>the fact that every game takes tons of tweaking to maybe work?
>>727651956That shouldn’t happen in the first place. If an essential component isn’t installed automatically I guarantee you it’s for a nonsensical retarded reason, the kind that only makes sense to the kind of autistic tranny who would use Linux in the first place.
>>727649720you installed steam yet?
>>727652590It works on yay, everything works on yay.Yay does not give a fuck.
>>727652519you're using arch, which is literally supposed to be the most hands off guardrail less distro, this is your own fault. if you use a distro like fedora the icons will install by themselves. Linux is not monolithic, each distro is different in how it handles packages and prerequisites.
>>727652590No because I made the partition too small and thought I could just download everything to another drive. Gotta use my flashdrive boot to resize it over the weekend.
>>727652590The fuck did he do?
>>727652986Delete the Linux version of System 32
>>727652986poop os bug that was fixedit had an apt dependency problem that uninstalled the DE if he installed steam. turned his computer into a headless server.
>>727652519That's a retroarch thing in general, you're supposed to use it's menus to get all the data and shit, and on arch you install the emulator plugins via pacman.This allow you to have pacman update both retroarch and your emulator plugins instead of having to manually do it via retroarch.
>>727651058is it better than breaking bad at least
>>727648854For the plethora of reasons already listed (at least the non-troll ones); however, that's starting to change in a big way.
>>727653359for you, maybe
>>727653354Its hard to say desu. Its too early on to know only 6 episodes in. Its a completely different kind of show than BB or better call saul. I think if you like slow burn slow build up sci fi mystery with good cinematography its amazing.
>>727648854I got a steam deck today. I switched over to desktop mode after setup. It had a fake firefox icon that instead loaded a retarded package store. I clicked install and it showed a progress bar that stayed at 0% for a long time. I tried to cancel it and the whole thing locked up. There was a notification that it installed but it didn't. I tried again and after waiting at 0% long enough it suddenly installed. I start trying to type and no keyboard shows up, google on another device and learn a secret key combination makes the keyboard pop up. While I try to google something else the device enters sleep mode. After sleep mode the device no longer connects to wifi nor even has the option to. The same issue that stopped me from switching to linux years ago, wifi driver issues, is still here. I look online and see posts from 3 years ago of people having the same issue. It randomly started working again after going to sleep a couple more times. Every step of the way is like wiping with sandpaper.I want to use the deck more but valve were fucking idiots for pouring any money into this worthless operating system, it's a lost cause.
>>727648854>Hell it’s doing worse than Mac gaming.What's your metric for that?
>>727654071there is no metric that supports it. protondb literally has thousands and thousands of games that work on linux that would never work on mac
>>727654071It's the >i neve used either, but mac is a big brand so must be betterI do appreciate his naivety, because actually using a mac to a PC extent is horrible.
>>727653870>literally uses an idiot proof PC that millions use without issue>has issuesI think I know the cause of your issues.
>>727654551Gosh, why DID Linux fail to take off as a gaming OS? Isn't it obvious to press STEAM+X to open your keyboard and to have your device go to sleep twice to reconnect to wifi?I refuse to believe this has sold millions by the way, I've never seen one in person until now.
If i download a game on ubuntu it makes like 20 icons for it in file manager pls halp
works on my machine
>>727654795>I refuse to believe this has sold millions by the way, I've never seen one in person until now.people who own one only use them on flights and keep it at home. steamdeck owners aren't like nin-toddlers they know that holding a toy up to your face in public makes you look stupid.>have your device go to sleep twice to reconnect to wifi?lol if someone sold you an infected steamdeck so they can get on your network and compromise other devices and computers on your network.
>>727654795It has sold between 4 and 6 million units. Relax my guy. Just return the damn thing if you're that adamant that it's garbage. Also:>it must not have sold because I've never seen someone with itThat's not how you determine how much something objectively sold. 4 - 6 million is a lot but doesn't make it as ubiquitous as a fucking cellphone or something.
Imagine if Valve put in the same amount of resources and development for the other operating system that people actually use
>>727656353You mean making one from scratch?Because you can't contribute to Windows or MacOS
Hey Linuxfags, get a gun put it in your mouth and pull the trigger KEK
>>727656353mac OS is too locked down unfortunately. long gone are the days where you could use it. its why valve is working on linux.
>>727656486It works on my machine and does what i want it to do, why would i care otherwise?
>>727656757SEETHE FAGGOT
>>727652498>tick a check box in steam>game workswow so hard
>>727649720wat?
>>727656886Nah, it just werks.Also get a computer with lower case text. it's not 1981 anymore.I recommend getting a MSX computer, they're full of konami games.
>>727651653Basically an extension of Cunningham's Law.
>>727656964it's on by default now isn't it
>>727654071The metric from the steam hardware survey, except OP is wrong and MacOS has a lower user percentage.
Can't play most multiplayer games.
>>727657139There's a steam option that will apply a global proton version to all of your non-linux-native games which you can override as needed.
>>727656513>mac OS is too locked down unfortunately. I can open up a terminal and instantly delete everything as rootYou have root, it's Unix, you can do literally anythingYou can install whatever software you want and even run it as root, you can install a package manager that installs stuff to /usr like MacPorts or HomebrewLike, what exactly is locked down about macOS? It's objectively less locked down than Windows
Because the average joe isn't tech savvy and doesn't want to install a bunch of shit and mess with code for hours to get standard shit to work, he just wants to buy a latop or a pre built and have shit work. It's why Windows is still the leading OS and will always be.
>>727657238stop hiding behind the term "multiplayer games". say it.
>>727657238It can play factorio, meincraft, Q3 and UT99Nothing else is needed.
Professional retard here. I fucked up and my linux partition has the efi partition between it and a ton of unallocated space. Can I just move the efi patition all the way through the unallocated space without it fucking my shit up?
>>727657238Does that mean you would be amenable to Linux otherwise? If so, dual-boot man. Play your MP slop on the Windows parition, do everything else on the Linux partition. Help get Linux numbers up so that publishers have no choice but to make their shitty anti-cheat work on Linux.
>>727657706Should be fine if performed correctly and depending on the filesystem of your root partition. No guarantees if you made that mistake in the first place.
>>727657343>You have root, it's Unix, you can do literally anythingObviously not because on Linux, you have vulkan, on freebsd you also can have vulkan. Nobody has been able to port vulkan to macOS. The best they've been able to is create a translation layer for metal like moltenvk, and it's apparently every buggy. You might have root but you don't have control over the hardware like root does for Linux or even admin does for windows.
>>727657707I'm pretty sure these anti-cheat softwares that do shit like replacing the memory allocation calls and kernel level shit will be banned by microsoft for security reasons and they will be offered some standard interface instead (that could be copied by linux).It's not even OS war shit, it's just a massive liability and security hole.They expelled even nvidia and AMD from the kernel space because it was too unstable, so there's no reason why faggot anti-cheat shit could stay there.
>>727657706unless you need the contiguous space it's better to leave it unless you can reclaim the whole drive
>>727657707If anti-cheats started supporting Linux, I would have already switched. I've considered dual-booting. It's likely I'll be installing Mint or some other ezpz distro on my laptop soon, I don't game on that.
>>727652986deliberately chose a version of a distro where the Steam installation was broken for all of a day, and then tried installing Steam, ignoring all warnings about how doing so would destroy his os installation and then claimed Linux wasn't ready for regular people
>>727652416UTM is freeIt's just QEMU which you can compile yourself
>>727657842>>727658081I'm back, it worked
>>727658252Isn't QEMU slow as fuck?
>>727657964Hypothetically speaking, you could do anything if you have rootRealistically speaking, you can't edit the source code of the proprietary components, editing them any other way would be realistically impossible, and replacing them would hypothetically be possible but would be a lot of pointless workLike hypothetically someone probably could make a Vulkan driver, but making MoltenVK which just runs on Apple's Metal driver makes infinitely more sense
>>727658127That's a good start but dual-booting on your gaming rig isn't a bad idea either since this chicken and egg problem won't solve itself and simply adding to the numbers is important.>Publishers won't support Linux because the market share is too low>Market share is too low because publishers won't support it.I guarantee if Linux hits 10-15% of steam users publishers will cave and support the damn thing otherwise they'd be leaving significant money on the table.
>>727658604>Hypothetically Ok ben ShapiroAlmost every piece of hardware in a Mac today is keyed. Meaning you can't just repair your own stuff if it breaks as well.Most people I know like macs for the hardware, some like it because it's close enough to a unix environment to develop software on. No one gets a Mac because it's "open". Even the asahi Linux project requires a lot of proprietary software shims to even use the hardware that comes on a Mac. You can't get rid of the Mac partition or you break the Linux install.MacOS is a closed platform.
>>727648854I'm no Linux advocate but you're being a silly billy mac is worse by every metric.>>727650018Steam OS is getting there. If the Gabecube takes off we may see this actually happen.>>727650572But think of the frames. If they hit a big enough and people start actually bothering to get proper driver support everyone who cares about frames will actually start using it. Normies follow where the enthusiasts go in tech.
>>727658968Gaben needs to push for it more or something. I don't know. I don't get how the same companies supporting and praising Steam hardware can also just ignore that their multiplayer games don't support it at all.
I really tried switching to Xubuntu for a while. Tried getting some work done on it - even downloaded Chicaco95 for the true tech-boomer feel.But I kept consistently running into more issues with Linux than I ever have with Windows. Freezes requiring system restarts, I couldn't play TF2 for a while because a memory allocation thing wasn't installed properly, and eventually the buttons to log off or shut down were just grayed out. Now every now and again it'll say there was some major error and I have no idea what the fuck it's referring to, nothing seems to change if I ignore it. I like parts of it but the act of just using the fucking thing feels like I'm constantly at risk of breaking everything. Perhaps it's just the fate of all open source projects...
>>727659860you got like 2gb of ram?
>>727657238muh fortnite
>>72766003032gb - I don't know what it's fucking problem was - worked okay after I copy-pasted the malloc file thing from Half-Life 2.
>>727657000browser seems to use its default file viewer when I go to attach images to my posts instead of the file manager that displays everything all pretty like for ease of shitposting
>>727659419>But think of the frames.I don't even give a shit.I'm playing Oblivion Remastered locked at 30 FPS so I can max out every setting and not use DLSS on my 4K screen.
>>727648854people don't know how to install operating systems because they don't know how to get in the bios
>>727660359>not use DLSS on my 4K screenWhat, are you manmade horrors beyond comprehensionphobic now?
>>727661795I'd fuck a shoggoth, so no
>>727660359is it really that bad from 1440?
>>727661991It's not. I just don't want to use it.I'm in my 30's and choose to have a worse personal experience if it means not using systems designed to allow devs to suck at optimization.If the game wasn't fun at 30 FPS, I would have refunded it. If a game requires DLSS or frame gen to run acceptably, it's a shit game.
>>727656353You can't even install Macos on non apple hardware. How the fuck could valve possibly use that?
>>727662171based
>>727648854>Why did Linux fail to take off as a gaming OS?because microsoft has had a monopoly on desktop OSes since the late 90's/early 2000's (depending on how you count it) and making an OS tolerable to anyone for anything is difficult and requires a LOT of support. It's a miracle that it's got any support at all, much less that it's actually downright fine for 90% of what you want to do.>Hell it’s doing worse than Mac gaming.this is objectively untrue though
>>727662171I'm happy to shit on bad optimization but 4K just feels like too many pixels, it's a wasteful meme that display vendors push. Downgrading to 30fps for the sake of something so pointless is stupid. If you must fall for the meme, I doubt you'd notice AI artifacts at that scale anyway.
>>727652590it's really funny that jews like him always tow the line no matter what. Of COURSE linux "won't work" for him; he has a platform that makes money from and for bill, another jew.
>>727662347if mac just allowed hackintoshes by default they'd actually start taking some ground in the OS wars. They've given up completely.
>>727661876>I'd fuck a shoggoth>"Oh he probably means that anime shoggoth from that hentai monster manual">Expand image>mfw
>>727651318This chart is dumb, in Germany you have to go to court if you get caught torrenting, in the USA you get an email from your isp that you delete. How are they comparable at all?
>>727650572you already killed linux
>>727648854Lucid people don't want to submit to the whims of an insane tantrum-throwing big pharma-shilling NAFO tranny
For me, it's Haiku.
>>727662929oh yeah? name fifty haikus
>>727662831I just wanted to play emulated 3DS on my vega 8 IGPU, and it ended being comfy.
>>727660216?
>>727648854>>727649546
I have a question.... I still have an old toshiba laptop from 2010 or so. It has Windows 8 still and is actually in working condition.I want to try and install Linux on it. What would be a good one to try out on that kind of machine. Is Mint still alright for that or does it have to be something that can handle older computers?I already copied everything off of it so I can reformat and experiment as needed.
>>727648854It's the most popular gaming os
>>727664053For something that old, you may actually have a real use-case for Linux Mint.Mint can run on a PS2. A 2010 laptop won't be any issue at all.
>>727648854Most multiplayer games simply do not work on it. Try playing Call of Duty or Battlefield on it, you can't.
>>727664053linux mint if you dont plan to play AAA garbage on itjust remember: its okay to break shit.
>>727664165>>727664153Thank you. Yeah I don't plan to use it for gaming unless it's some dosbox stuff or whatever. Mostly browsing and playing videos, but I figured I get familiar with the system and how it works before trying it on a more modern PC.
>>727664163>Most multiplayer gamesI play all of these on Arch
>>727664318>The least popular multiplayer games on the planetCool, anon. I'm really happy you can matchmatke into those singleplayer games!
>>727664358Elden Ring and Space Marine 2?The fuck are you on?
>>727664165>linux mint if you dont plan to play AAA garbageWhat is considered AAA garbage? On mint I can play CS2 at 360 fps ultra 1440p, Elden ring at 180 fps ultra 1440p, on nvidia too.
>>727664358Currently one of the most popular multiplayer games on the planet works fineim on cachyos btw
>>727664503You CAN lay modern games on Mint, but you shouldn't.You're actively doing yourself a disservice if you use such an outdated kernel.Not to mention it's still on X11
>>727650778What's that VC icon next to Strawberry and Discord?
>>727648854It's taking off right now, you can game on Linux
>>727664684ya 90 percent of games are either install them on steam and run them or run them using umu launcher after pirating
>>727656353>Dobson, when he played Skyrim
>>727665775worst episode of TNG by a long shot
>>727665952>4channer says an episode about the importance of communication is badWow! What a revelation!
>>727666140how does a species develops a language based around metaphors without first developing a basic language so said metaphors can be made up?
>>727665775Pewdiepie, on the bridge
>>727654795If you didn't skip through the entire setup phase when you got your Deck you would know that in "game mode" there is a shortcut that tells you all keybind shortcuts on the device, there is literally text on the screen that points to it and says "Here is how you learn more!"There is also a reason why Valve hid the desktop feature from being immediately visible, it's to stop absolute retards like you from going outside the sandbox that they've locked you into just to make sure that you don't piss your pants over not having the patience for learning how to use a new device. The Wi-Fi issue will also self correct the moment you reboot and is based on what router you have, I've never had problems with it myself but the fix for it not fucking up during sleep anymore is to just go into the settings tab in game mode and disabling power saving for Wi-Fi.You probably didn't even read the first 5 links on google about the Wi-Fi stuff since they all tell you exactly the same thing I just told you. Trying to make a device as retard proof as you want it will just turn the Deck into an Apple or Nintendo product and I can tell you right now that it's not worth Valves or your time for them to do that as it would essentially cut the amount of things you can do with the thing (You) bought in half.
>>727656353>Just job for one of the two megacorps that would love nothing more than your company going public or folding>I promise it will turn out better!Where the fuck does people like you come from? Are you bootlickers for sport or do you get paid for it?
>>727663846OSX has less total percent than every Linux distro combined in that screenshot, retard.
It would be better if people used real distros instead of meme gaymer shit like Bazzite or CachyOS, that are only worth installing if you exclusively use your desktop as a glorified console. As shit and vibe-coded Windows 11 is, 99% of the problems you'll find on any linux distro just don't exist in it, and even the 1% that do show up can be fixed by simply using 10 ,no matter how much Microsoft screeches about muh updoot.Maybe by the time LTSC support ends for 10 in 2032 will Linux finally stop being a buggy piece of shit that has a 50:50 chance of just working on literally anything you try out on it.
>>727667197Never claimed otherwise.
