>BOTW popularized open world slop>Dark Souls popularized artificial difficulty slop with runback & corpse runThere's also Genshin that made gacha mainstream, but Genshin itself was heavily inspired by BOTW, so it's BOTW's fault in the end.
>>727654913I feel really bad for the doxed bronyOP
>>727654913Off topic but have you noticed ever since the new captcha system, all the posts yelling about trannies and wokeness have basically vanished?
>>727654913souls slop, mainly because the combat is truly fucking awful. now we see shit like god of war using fucking bumpers and triggers for melee attacks with an over the shoulder camera that you constantly have to babysit.
The real answer
>>727654913Dark Souls affected the wider industry. BoTW has only succeeded in killing Nintendo.
>>727655420>Dark Souls affected the wider industry.dark souls is literally just ocarina of time but zommies are too young to realize
>>727654913BotW did not popularize open world slop. That was Assassin's Creed 1 nearly 20 years ago. BotW is a great return to form of Zelda 1 and you'd know that if you weren't some pretend gamer, rage grifter. Please kill yourself.
>>727655176>souls slop, mainly because the combat is truly fucking awfuThey legitimately tried to fix what was wrong with it in Dark Souls 2, but actual retards hated that and got them to double down on making the series completely focused on "press button when enemy attacks" with Bloodborn. Now every 'souls-like' copies that.
Souls shit and it's not even fucking close.
>>727655968>dark souls is literally just ocarina of time It's not quite that, but I'll admit it's closer to it, in the sense of mystery and adventure it gives, than anything else has otherwise managed to get.
>>727654913Dark Souls no contest. BotW inspired a lot of open-world games to add shit like gliding and overhead air traversal, but that's nothing compared to From inventing an entire sub-genre that contributes nothing to gaming.Remember: the one reason why Soulslikes are popular and people glaze these sort of titles is because of their reputation as "high difficulty" games. It's just a cesspool of masochistic egoists participating in a never-ending, non-stop dick measuring contest to see who wasted more time doing runs with abstract restrictions that make playing the game insufferable.
>>727654913>BOTW popularized open world sloplol fucking what
>>727654913Botw didnt popularize shit and the game didnt innovate in any way whatsoever. It had no impact on the industry orher than a few copycat games like genshin impact. Its a good game though but it has zero innovation
Dark Souls, unfortunately.The BoTW influence is mostly reserved to Nintendo games and mobile gacha garbage these days, but rollslop combat has infected the entire AAA industry and it still persists to this very day.
Skoyrim and its not even close.
>>727655968It really isn't. There are no puzzles or open-world towns full of quirky NPCs and quests. It's only similar in how combat scenarios with bipedal enemies played out, and even then it's not nearly as restrictive as as some of OoT item-based combat gimmicks. In OoT, you could only kill certain bosses or enemies with specific equipment, whereas in DaS you could kill most enemies with just about anything, as long as you memorized their attack patterns for effective dodges/blocks/parries.
>>727654913Definitely slop of the goyim
every indie game is either soulslike, hollowlike (which is also soulslike since hollow knight is a soulslike) or roguelite deckbuilder
>>727655420Except BotW influenced Dark Souls developers, which lead to Elden Ring, according to Miyazaki himself. Meanwhile, Dark Souls did not influence Zelda.
>>727654913Dark Souls literally saved the video game industry.
>>727657583Soulslike is its own genre. The only ones copying BoTW are Nintendo IPs.
>>727658126Except Miyazaki just said he copied BotW.
>>727658495>Influences by BoTW, Elder Scrolls, Witcher 3>"SEE? HE COPIED BOTW"Shut the fuck up tendie
>>727658126>Soulslike is its own genre.is it? or do zoomies think every third person action game is a souls like. If twilight princess came out today retards would call it a soulslike
>>727658875>Is itGet out from under that rock. This thread is clearly filled with tendies who want to pretend BotW is anywhere close to From's influence. Fucking delusional.
>>727658731Your initial claim was that only Dark Souls affected the industry. Once you were proven wrong, you moved goalposts to "copying" or whatever. The fact stands that BotW affected many games. I'd say it had a bigger impact in the industry than Dark Souls, because the games BotW influenced are extremely popular, like Genshin Impact, while Dark Souls only i fluenced irrelevant indie trash for tryhards.
>>727654913>BOTW popularized open world slop16 years too late for that
>all the seething ITT about difficult games and people who like difficult games because of Dark Souls/v/ pls
>>727659261What a retarded post. Now I have to explain to you context and the definition of words.>Your claim was that only Dark Souls affected the industryOP asked who had the bigger effect. Dark Souls. BoTW turning DK and Metroid 4 into open world shit is still the industry, retard. Fucking retard. Motherfucking mouth breathing retard. >You moved to "copying" or whateverI never used the word copy other than to mock the anon who said Elden Ring copied BoTW, you fucking retard. Tendie cocksucking dipshit retard. Why do you breathe, retard. >I'd say it had a bigger impact in the industry than Dark Souls, becauseBecause you're a fucking retard. >The rest of this fucking postThis is why everybody hates tendies. Fucking fag faggot retards. Shut the fuck up.
>>727659698>ad hominem>no actual argumentTypical.
>>727659835>Tendie has never played any other game in his life and thinks BoTW has anywhere near the impact Souls didFucking tendies. Shut the fuck up you stupid faggot.
>>727657998NTA but why is it impossible for faggots like you to just admit to being wrong?
>>727654913Soulslike ruined Silksong. Team cherry basically made a 2d dark souls. So I'd say souls, BOTW didn't really ruin other game series, it didn't even create that kind of open world adventure genre at all, it just perfected it.
>>727659968By influencing Genshin Impact, BotW already had more impact than souslike ever. China's playerbase is bigger than the US, Europe and Japan combined.
>>727660152That is not what impact means in the context of an industry being affected by a game's design philosophy you fucking tendie retard.
>>727660328>C-China doesn't count because... it just doesn't, okay?Nintendo won by every metric and lives rent free up your ass.
>>727660473>Still has no fucking clue what impact means >"Nintendo won"Christ you are fucking dumb. I don't give a shit about Nintendo, I answered OP and am now under assault by a retarded fucking tendie, which is the norm for this site. Here is another post to give you an example of what actual influence looks like, fucking retard. >>727660147
>>727660612>now under assaultLMAO, a reply is not an "assault". Grow a thicker skin, you queer.
Well since Dark Souls blatantly copied Monster Hunter, it would be Monster Hunter actually.
>>727660928>Thicker skinThat implies I'm offended by you. I'm annoyed at how fucking retarded you are, you fucking retard. Tendies are a fucking blight.
>>727660152>being proud of a game that popularized turning PC games into gambling vessels for bugmen and third worlders BOTWtrannies are something else
>>727661128>moving goalpostsNobody claimed Genshin was good, just that it's popular sinply because there's a shit ton of Chinks in the world.
>>727654913Dark Souls and it's not even close. BotW didn't popularize open worlds, and you're a retard for thinking it did or calling things slop. Dark Souls was good, but now every game has shitty iframe-centric combat.
>>727658495He said he played all the popular open world games and he was influenced by all of them. It's a meaningless fluff statement. Stop being a retard. If he was influenced by BotW, ER would have had climbing and actual physics.
>>727661473>sure, he said that, but he didn't really mean it because [headcanon]
I'm going to say dark souls even as a souls fanboy. Souls games rock but they've spawned countless clones and while From can do the gameplay well every souls clone I've played that wasn't them sucked.BotW only really got copied for open world gatcha games, which, while cancer aren't so numerous and while I haven't played them I don't see much complaints about those games beyond the gatcha part.I think movie games and marvel quip dialogue is far worse, far more widespread, and aren't even good in the games they're in but you didn't really give me that as an option
>>727654913dark soulsever wondered why EVERY FUCKING 3RD PERSON TITLE has a dodge roll nowadays?
>>727661569Kill yourself tendie.
>>727661569>he said he played all the popular open world games>and he clearly didn't take any design choices or mechanics from them>but I'll say "He was inspired by this one game" and pretend I have a pointAre you a tendie or just a garden variety retard nigger? Keep in mind I like BotW much more than ER and wish more games had mechanics like BotW.
>>727655420True, Ubisoft had already popularized the whole climb the tower to fill out the map. BotW just ruined 3D Zelda forever but SS had already done most of the work. >>727656082>BotW is a great return to form of Zelda 1You know Zelda 1 came with map that showed you were 90% of important shit was and you could traverse the whole map in 3 minutes. I hate this whole revisionist history of Zelda 1. The only real exploration in Zelda 1 was the Dungeons.
>>727661769>ad hominem>no actual argumentAs expected
>>727654913dota
>>727661798>REEEEEEE tendie tendie REEEEEEERent free. Are there any spooky tendies in the room with you right now?
>>727661810>I hate this whole revisionist history of Zelda 1. The only real exploration in Zelda 1 was the Dungeons.You absolutely 100% did not play LoZ when it was new, and if you played it at all it was with a guide. I hate revisionist history from N64babies mad that LoZfags like BotW because they're both about exploring the overworld and interacting with the environment.
>>727655109No? Stupid woke tranny.
>>727661884You've been countered numerous times and persist in this delusion that BoTW has had larger influence than Dark Souls because you're a fucking moron. "NINTENDO WON" was just taking the mask off and spilling your spaghetti everywhere, you stupid faggot.
>>727661897me again. anyone saying otherwise hasn't given it much though. a map from wc3 pretty much fucked the gaming industry permanently
>>727654913Heavy Rain and any game that uses quick time events as gameplay
>>727661951>spookyI think it's weird that you still wear diapers. Does that count as spooky?
>>727662069Dark Souls had more influence than BotW... if you completely ignore all of Asia. Even Elden Ring itself copied BotW, as admitted by Miyazaki himself.
>>727662315That's a pretty funny way to look at it
>>727654913Botw changed how open world games were made for the better as they were all getting too handholdy and map centric. Dark Souls made it ok to have hard games again but at the cost of fucking up action games for years. Souls combat is so prevalent it makes me miss when bamham combat was in vogue.
Genshin Impact wins since it has more players than almost every souls and soulslike game combined.
this piece of shit is responsible for almost everything bad in modern games
>>727662625This. Soulshills are absolutely delusional.
World of Warcraft is the black hole that raped the entire industry for life.
>>727662605People are doing souls combat poorly and that sucks, but I'd rather bad souls combat to "press one button to counter every attack" that was Rampant in those days.
>>727662625Looks like BOTW wins this argument.
>>727655109>ff topic but have you noticed ever since [fake fact]okay?
>>727654913Dark Souls had a very positive influence on the industry by making developers realize there was a demand for difficult games in a time where everyone focused on making the most hyper-casual trash imaginable. It also standardized a few action game features, some of which are even present in BotW, like the parry. Don't pretend BotW would have included things like armor sets with stats and weapon movesets if it weren't for the success of Souls.
BOTW for giving us endless gacha by validating it.
>>727654913I think Dark Souls saved video games from turning into gay ass movies like TLOU as that was the trend at the time.Zelda kek... you must trolling. GTA3 is what influenced 70% of the industry to start making open world games and Skyrim finished off the last 30%And I think open world games rule>>727655109How about you kys, transgender freak
>>727662798>demand for difficult games in a time where everyone focused on making the most hyper-casual trash imaginableNPC copy pasted response, this is not your informed opinion
>>727662971I lived it, I was part of the movement.
>>727662971he is right
>>727655968Only a retarded zoomer would say this.
>>727662971Bro journalists and UX designers seeth about Fromaoft design choices to this very day
>>727663092I'm 44. I was there.
the jews
>>727662798It left both a positive and negative influence on the industry.Positives:>encouraging developers to take more risks with legitimately challenging (but still rewarding) gameplay>making customizable armor sets, weapon sets, stats and upgrades mainstream again (outside of MMO shit I guess)>strong focus on solid, structured level designNegatives:>forced rollslop into every other action-adventure game's combat system, even when they didn't need it>encouraged developers to focus exclusively on tryhard difficulty as promotional streamerbait, rather than making legitimately fun gameplay scenarios and experiences>too many fantasy games try to mimic their dark, grimy fantasy art direction, music and tone
>>727662709Dark Souls popularity encouraged devs to make stuff that was poorly balanced and felt awful to play. People would then tell you to git gud at a game that needs to git gud before any time is invested in it. I haven't enjoyed a single souls like that wasn't from fromsoft including the stupid pinoccio game. Bamham combat had a rhythm and flow to it that made it sort of relaxing to me. I like to play games like spider-man while I listen to music or a podcast as it doesn't require full attention. Bad soulslike combat is so frustrating that I don't want to play it at all. It also killed GoW clones which I also miss.
>>727663193... are not responsible for your shit life
Devs who made shitty dark souls clones or shittily put Souls gameplay into their game were still going to make crappy games without Fromsoft's influence.
>>727661985https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/en/pdf/CLV-P-NAANE.pdfI personally did not have the instruction booklet for the game (I think my sister threw it away) but apparently it did have a map.
>>727663206These are all positives in my book
>>727663232says the jew.
>>727661985I played it somewhere in between 93-95 no guides no internet. Just the map and a couple kids trading tips at recess. Other then the lost woods/hill and wasting time autisticlly bombing every rock and burning every tree there isn't much need to be hanging out in the overworld. Most of the Heart Pieces are in the open. Zelda 2 is way more cryptic with what spells you need/don't need and were to find the mirror/getting water from the fountain 10 feet from the NPC to progress.>>727662605>Botw changed how open world games were made for the better as they were all getting too handholdy and map centric.Minecraft says hello
>>727654913Souls created a lot of shitty copycats and effectively killed character action genre, so souls. I dunno what did BOTW influenc3.
>>727654913>BOTW popularized open world slopYou act like we didn't already have plenty of open world slop by its release.
>>727667405Genshin Impact and the explosion of gacha.
>>727654913BotW is just souls slop lite with Skyrim mapit's all DS influence
>>727668524this. BoTW is just when Nintendo caught up to the open world slop trend that has been going on since 7th gen consoles
>>727654913Dark Souls, not even close. Worst thing BOTW did was kill Zelda, other Nintendo titles, and some AAA games. Not a whole genre
WoW would win ten fold.
>>727669649What genre did Dark Souls kill?Character Action? That genre feels like it dies and comes backs every console generation.
>>727670845CA killed itself. Their devs were few and were past their prime by the time souls popularity sky rocketed. Even in the 2000s they were overshadowed by beat em likes like Dynasty Warriors.
>>727671065Open-world gachaslop basically replaced standard CA games. A lot of them utilize dumbed-down versions of CA combat mechanics.
BOTW since it created Genshin which is two nuclear bombs more destructive than souls ever wishes to be.
>>727671335>A lot of them utilize dumbed-down versions of CA combat mechanics.Not familiar with them, but from what I've heard it all boils do to doing an optimal rotation like in most MMOs.
>>727654913BotW had nothing to do with the proliferation of open world slop, which was already in vogue at the time. Open world started happening more, because of skill rot in major publishing that resulted in directionless projects that missed deadlines and milestones not getting canned before the sunk costs spiraled completely out control and they had to finish the project. All the savvy businesspeople left and even if they were kind of shit in their own way, they at least blocked open world from happening.Dark Souls was fundamentally just a eurojank dungeon crawler from Japan and the difficulty meme only happened because of desperate Bandai Namco marketing and publisher pressure from them. This could have happened to any Eurojank game with a large, crap publisher. Games at the time were basically playing themselves, because all games were aimed at casuals, and while normalfags were OK with this, we saw in the Xbone E3 that normalfag opinion can be influenced very heavily by the opinion of people who are not normalfags.It's like how normalfags will buy all the plastic packaging as long as they get told it will be recycled.
>>727661686Agreed, Dark Souls is just like Halo, a fantastic game that's been copied to a sickening degree by people who don't know what they're doing. A lot of "Souls-likes" are however very good, though I imagine the developers could have made something excellent even without the Souls influence.BotW did directly influence Elden Ring, by admission of Miyazaki. And it's funny seeing it being such an influence on other games considering it's basically ripping the Ubisoft formula and just making it not shit.
>>727671945>BotW did directly influence Elden Ring, by admission of Miyazaki. And it's funny seeing it being such an influence on other games considering it's basically ripping the Ubisoft formula and just making it not shit.BotW influenced Miyazaki, not due to its success, but because he saw another way to fuck over Bandai Namco, by dragging out development of a project indefinitely and going over budget.
The real answer is Call of Duty 4. It popularized casual dudebro slop due to the appeal of the 360 and fast speed internet becoming more common. It opened the door to video games becoming mainstream which in turn created open world slop and Soulsborne.
>>727654913BOTW, because it was shit.
>>727654913>BOTW popularized open worldGTA 3 did that. BOTW just perfected the genre almost 2 decades later and then made another perfect game with TOTK. Personally I was never into rollslop so personally I don't wanna see dozens of rollslop games every year.
>>727655340That is such a small corner of the gaming market that is never going to be relevant.>>727654913What exactly did they affect? Theres only a handful of decent soulslike clones. I dont like how any game that has a dodge/dash/roll is now considered to be "soulslike". Souls games didnt invent dodging enemy attacks nor did they invent fatigue bars.
