>>727657105
They only make bad changes :(

>>727657105
zelda without miyamoto fucking sucks, the only way to make everyone like metroid again is to go back to super(unanimously liked in the franchise) and re-evolve from there slowly

But they keep adding stupid cringe shit that literally nobody wants.

>>727657105
i think they just evolved the series in a direction many people don't enjoy
is that a problem for you? are you a major nintendo shareholder? it's just a video game anon

>>727657375
>But they keep adding stupid cringe shit that literally nobody wants.

Ok but if they dont add anything new people will still bitch and complain

>>727657105
I'm just tired of Prime, no one wanted a first person Metroid game, it just happened, and it was just enjoyable, 20 years ago. I just want something fresh, I was surprised they were making "Prime 4" because why not do a new series.

>>727657105
??? 2D Metroid fans are doing fine, Samus Returns did good enough and Dread did amazing. It's the Prime fanboys that insisted in getting more games even after the failures of Prime 3 and Federation Force that are getting a reality check

>>727657541
>failure of Prime 3
It is good tho

>>727657608
So good that Nintendo quickly greenlit another seq... never mind

They would have won if they learned from the 20 years of developments in Metroid-style games separating Prime 3 and this, perhaps even taking inspiration from immsim-style games like Prey.
They can't do this though because they need to make shitty little kids games that even retards can play.

>>727657518
>I just want something fresh

There is literally nothing in the industry like prime and hasnt been for 20 years. This is fresh in the grand scheme of the industry

>>727657758
Doom?? 10 years of highly critically acclaimed games

>>727657473
They can do that.
They just need people who understand the series to make the game. Anyone who likes metroid could have told you, the open world is a stupid idea and so are the sidekicks.

>>727657829
>Doom?? 10 years of highly critically acclaimed games

Since when is doom a metroidvania? you cant be this retarded anon

>>727657831
>They just need people who understand the series to make the game. Anyone who likes metroid could have told you, the open world is a stupid idea and so are the sidekicks.

Its not open world it literally acts as hyrule field its not a bad idea. The sidekicks are fine if they weren't written so shit. What would you add then im curious?

Not going to lie Nintendobros I might be done with the switch 2 already. It's just shovelware at this point. :-(

>>727657725
>another sequel
It was a trilogy and the story was completed by defeating Dark Samus and getting rid of phazon definitely, besides it might not have been a franchise problem rather a console problem as the WiiU only got a single minigame in NintendoLand.

>>727657862
Have you even look at the new Doom games? Extremely similar to the Prime series

>>727657940
They really need to hit out of the park with the February direct or things are gonna be dire.

>>727657473
>Ok but if they dont add anything new people will still bitch and complain
i dont think this is true. this is just something shills and corpos say because they no longer have the talent to recreate older styles. no one would have complained about a bigger newer prime 1.

>>727657105
Prime's issue isn't that they changed things, it's that the things they changed they did a shit job with it.
No one wants to ride around a desert smashing into green crystals for like 1/6th of the game, and the level design is painfully linear.

>>727657758
Prime is just a Half Life clone, with better movement but somehow worse gunplay.

>>727657932
I don't know anon, I'm not a developer.
I'd need time to brainstorm but I can tell you I wouldn't add a shitty open world. And yes thats what it is regardless of what you wanna call it.

>>727658152
>I'd need time to brainstorm but I can tell you I wouldn't add a shitty open world. And yes thats what it is regardless of what you wanna call it.

So what would you do? There literally not much without it being just another plain iteration of prime.

>>727657473
I would honestly rather have a rehash over the other extreme, as much as people on /v/ and in general whine about the former. Games that are too different are better off as new IPs.

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>Only two major male characters with speaking roles in the whole franchise
>Both are utter dogshit, but for almost exact opposite reasons

How do you fuck up this bad?

>>727658370
What makes you say that? And even if that were true whats the issue with prime again in a new setting and story?

>>727658576
Pretty sure the Bike and the open world were mandated by some 50 year old suits.

>>727658453
Adam is like a terrible father and Myles is like the son he didn't raise.

>>727658576
>if that were true whats the issue with prime again in a new setting and story?

Nothing but thats the point people would still bitch and complain and there is nothing new.

>>727658653
Almost certainly, nintendos been chasing the BotW high for a while, it's why this game has a shitty open world with shrines. For the autist in the thread I know the game isn't open world it just contains one.

>>727658745
Who nigga? It's been 18 years since prime 3. You ask any fan of the series what they'd want of 4 they'd tell you they would like a game akin to 1 and 2 rather than 3.

>>727657473
>>727657105
False dichotomy. People want change, they just don't want to change to make the experience worse. Similarly, the things that stayed the same deserved to be updated after all these years.

>>727658453
I love how Samus just stares at his dumb questions and comments.

>>727658453
Adam is already in 3 games tho

>>727658845
For me it is faster scanning, also why the fuck did they change the colors? Before green meant you've already scanned them now it's backwards.

>>727657105
There is no formula.

it wanted to be halo
it wanted to be zelda
it wanted to be shitsong
it wanted to be prime
it wanted to make all the investors happy

it's a game made for nobody

>have carpal tunnel that hurts when using controllers
>trying to emulate this shit
>can't get mouse mapped to right stick to work no matter which emulator i use
right now im on citron and it just feels so shitty and sluggish. like theres a ton of mouse acceleration on and it doesn't want to move without slinging it too far. impossible to aim. i know its probably something to do with the deadzone settings but its impossible to get it to line up and feel good. and it puts the windows mouse cursor in the middle of the screen and i dont see any way of getting rid of it. shits driving me up a wall. how do people emulate fps games if its this impossible to use mouse controls? are you all really using controllers for everything?

>>727659107
Just enable mouse aiming on the menu...

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>>727658998
>It wanted to be silksong
W-what?

Psychic powers like everything else in the game seems completely underwhelming.
>Morph ball bomb but you have to unmorph to use it
>control your power beam shot but time slows down to a crawl
>psychic jump... it lets you double jump
Like fuck man, give samus control over lesser creatures at least.

>>727659254
the base, the companions and it's music is obviously influenced by silksong, it feels completely out of place. It also feels like halo. I fucking hate prime 4 so much it's unreal.

>>727659169
where? i have mouse panning turned on and its unbearable. you'd think when you choose mouse+keyboard as the control scheme it would automatically map it to it. if i click any of the stick directions and try to map mouse to it it doesn't recognize the movements to save it

>>727659345
>the base, the companions and it's music is obviously influenced by silksong
Silksong didn't have companions. And the ost is like the prime games.
Also are you retarded? SS came out this year and very little was shown off until the release. By the time MP4 went gold SS was out for like a month max.

>>727659345
You're not making any sense.

>>727657105
>If they stick the old formula people will bitch the series doesnt evolve enough.
I doubt this. Considering people praised Dread very highly for returning to tradition.

>>727659460
It has cities with NPCs. The base feels like a city taken from shitsong, a completely underdeveloped idea that serves no purpose.

>>727659539
Man anon your retarded, Idk what else to say.

>>727659539
How? Where else are the fed troopers gonna go? Keeping them in a safe, central location is a good idea.

>>727657105
They didn't change the formula, nor did they advance or evolve it, they just slapped another dumb gimmick on top of it and this one was their worst. 2D Metroid shows how it's supposed to be done

>>727657541
This, Prime should have never gotten sequels after the first game.

>>727659607
i am retarded but i'm not wrong. just listen to the music, it's a silksong rip-off

>>727657105
>8 billion people on earth
>there seems to be no way to make them unanimously like a certain video game
>people ITT are treating this statement as something insightful and not the musings of some mouth breather
I swear to god there only 10,000 or so people on earth who aren’t retards and I’m one of them.

>>727657105
Its very easy to imagine a game that would have been given unanimous praise. It's not a prime 1 remake, its a PREY style immsim with metroid aesthetics and with segments where you pilot a ship between large locations.

hardcore tendies are shit eaters who will praise anything, you don't need to worry about pleasing them, everyone who likes prime and who is 18 years older than when they played prime 3 wants an evolution. Something that is unapologetically western and that takes into account the best of western game design, not shitty half hearted Japanese zelda mechanics.

>>727658453
Myles is a part of the problem, but not THE problem. He and his entire team are the problem alongside the desert, bike, archaic designs, and linearity.

>>727657105
literally just copy indie games, blasphemous or Hollow Knight with a metroid skin would make bank

>>727657105
>>727657375
>>727657473
>>727658453
>>727660090
Consider this
The audience may not know what they want but they certainly know what they hate

>>727659345
They wanted to be Halo yet they couldn't even have the Space Pirates in the game for like 2 seconds, what the hell?

>picky
Not really. Dread was loved and like a solid 9/10. Prime 4 peaks at around 8/10 in the snow area, drops to 7.5 in the lava lava area, then goes full return in the last stretch down to like a 6. Perhaps they should try making a game that isn't dogshit.

>>727657105
>Woah what if we took this franchise that is cool because of non-human locations, NPCs, culture, and lore
>And shoved in a bunch of faggot boring starship trooper humanshit that nobody fucking cares about so we can have melodrama about literal whos
every time sci-fi is dead. Its exactly what they did to halo. The unsc is fucking boring. fuck spartans and fuck marines. same shit with the galactic faggots

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>>727660595
We will never ever get a Dread sequel, a DLC or a switch 2 upgrade because the studio is in the red, meanwhile the halotards and retrostudiotards are swimming in millions
People don't want good games, they want slop like Prime 4 FeelsBadMan

>>727657105
dread is shit and Metroid fans all love it, the standard is low. The fact that prime 4 is so divisive even among the core fans is a testament to how bad they fucked it

> If they stick the old formula people will bitch the series doesnt evolve enough.
funny how this type of cope lie only gets brought up when a company goes out of its way to rape a franchise, just like they did with prime.

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>>727657105
> Zelda fans are atleast accepting of radical change.
no.
when nintendo raped zelda into being generic ubislop they replaced the whole zelda audience with newfags who never played a zelda game before in their lives.

>>727661048
nah, i'd complain the same way i did with souls despite autistic retards loving elden ring. if you have no new ideas just leave it alone.

>>727661048
>it needs a new idea
>it needs a gimmick

Gaming will never recover from the damage that jornos did to it. Meanwhile silksong is just a refinement of overrated knight and it sold millions.

>>727661218
personally Im actually very glad that mega man is fucking dead now because journoloids worked over time to shit on all the games for being too similar.

>>727661218
>it needs a new idea
>it needs a gimmick
why are you complaining about journos when that is literally Nintendo's entire MO, the reason their modern games and prime 4 are shit is they no longer stick to it. no good ideas, no hook, just standard creatively bankrupt ubisoft design shoehorned into stale formulas.

>>727661268
Your speed/force gear v2 sir?

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>Armored Core 6 releases after the series went on hiatus for 10 years
>old and new fans alike applaud it, while still having room to criticize the weaker elements, such as the stagger mechanic
>this confuses the console warring child, who can't look at criticism without ripping his own hair out

If you guys were willing to acknowledge the game's problems, then even the biggest critics would be willing to look at the positives brought to the table. The failing is solely on you.

>>727662163
>old fans applaud it
Yeah...I doubt that

>>727662216
I've played the games since their debut on the Ps1. AC6 is my favorite among them all.

>>727662306
thats cool

>>727662306
And I played Metroid Prime since the first one came out and I've been liking 4 beyond so far.

>>727662354
And yet you can't imagine someone criticizing the game in good faith? You just have to call them snoys and brown third worlders?

>>727657105
The Prime games were never good

>>727662163
Dread is..er...was Metroid's AC6

>>727662407
>implying
/v/ is not one person, I honestly don't care if someone doesn't like it.

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>>727662407
>Just let people criticize the game!
>When criticisms are done in such bad faith that you can't take them seriously.
>When those who criticize the game call you shills and other shit when you even try to be positive at all about the game

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>>727662551
>When criticisms are done in such bad faith that you can't take them seriously.
Yes, someone saying they don't like the desert must clearly be evil and acting in bad faith.

>>727662628
Shoot at him when he's holding a weapon and turning around, it looks like he's jacking it off

>>727660858
Hey now Dread was the best selling Metroid game. Don't lose hope.

>>727662657
No one ever mentions the fact that there are no lore logs. And, again, when you try to actually discuss anything good, it gets drowned out in shitposts and bad-faith arguments. Acting like a whole game is ruined because of one NPC, a motorcycle, and a desert. When you're on your own most of the damn time.

>>727657105
As someone that was hardcore doom posting, and has a low opinion of Nintendies, I'\ve actually played now, and I love it. (Emulated)
This is better than the previous Primes by miles, but there are some odd decisions that make no sense

1. Give players the option to disable Mckenzie's constant help via options in the menu
2. Reduce the green energy crystal grind at the end


Its literally MP1 but better in everyway, graphics, mechanics, combat, setting. As someone that thought MP1s combat was slow as molasses, this is very refreshing to me. Can't wait to play it on Hardcore difficulty.
I also actually enjoyed the voice acting, dialogue and teammates this around. Going deep into the mines with your buddies was well done. Genuinely, I enjoyed it and I only wish the game was longer

>>727662812
You're acting like the NPC, the desert and the motorcycle are the only bad parts.

>>727662920
>I love the teammates and NPCs
>Prime 1 was objectively bad because it didn't have a quirky sidekick constantly telling you funny quips and jokes

hmmm....

>>727662934
It's all people seem to complain about. The stuff in the first few hours of the game. The fucking tutorial.

>>727657105
Maybe if they made a good game it wouldn't be divisive

For all that bitching about Myles I thought he could die and give you a game over but I let mobs attack him and he never died...

>>727662920
The quality drops after getting the keys. The game is horrible, might actually be worse than other m.

>>727663003
Wait until later...

is prime 1 good if i never played a 3d metroid? it was suggested to me. does it control ok with a xbox/ps controller?

>>727663095
yes

>>727663095
It'll control fine, keep in mind that the game was built for tank controls. If that turns you off try the games through the trilogy ROM.
Or play primehack.

>>727662975
Then clearly you';ve missed people complaining about the linearity, the poor pacing (like how many upgrades force you to backtrack to Miles for no reason) the unoriginal powerups that just feel like weaker retreads of older powers (but with purple psychic stuff stapled on).

Perhaps you'd also like to explain why people also dislike the stupid green crystal grind just to get to the end of the game, or the final boss who's just a giant escort mission, and then turns into an underwhelming 1v1, which ends on a vastly anticlimactic and cliche story where the feds obviously sacrifice themselves for no reason, especially since it's clear they're just building up a sequel to bring Sylux back, thus making their whole sacrifice meaningless.

But please, tell me again how none of these make the game worse.

>>727663048
No way, you guys are just riding the hate bandwagon hardcore. Fucking loved crash landing in the desert, and making my way into Volt Forge, absolutely surpasses the vibes from MP1 and MP2

And they handled characters way better than MP3, these GF soldiers actually feel human
>>727662973
Never said MP1 was bad, I just said MP4 is better, its a superior, more refined version of Prime as a series, with some really stupid choices

>>727663241
>I just said MP4 is better, its a superior, more refined version of Prime as a series,
How?

>>727663170
>primehack

this looks promising. i don't mind tank controls either, armored core 1 through silent line are my favs and those are notorious for it. i'll try the regular rom first and see how it goes. thanks

>>727663049
Yeah but the bitching about him started since he was shown and when the game leaked and the guy hadn't left Fury Green.

>>727663241
>MP4 better than 1

Fucking lol’d out loud irl frfr

>>727663241
>No way, you guys are just riding the hate bandwagon hardcore
I'm not. Keep progressing.

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>>727657105
>If they stick the old formula people will bitch the series doesnt evolve enough
nobody has ever complained that a metroid game is too similar to super/prime, zero mission and prime 2 are the most revered games in the series outside of the former and those were very iterative. People only (rightfully) complain when they steer away too much.

>>727663269
It has a worthless motorcycle in it and even less charm anon, whats not to love?

evolution clearly means forcing gay empty open world slop and marvel quip chunguses.

>>727663507
All this talk of evolution, and yet the game repeats several mistakes, like the artifact hunt, for NO reason other than nostalgia pandering. That's like having a game run at 10 FPS because "oh the old game did it, we gotta do it too".

>>727663325
It is to me, first time me I actually had fun with combat in a 3D Metroid game. Loved the constant onslaught of enemies. They way they handled beams and upgrades is great too

That's the one thing MP1 has always lacked

>>727663556
See, look at you. You're incapable of acknowledging even a single flaw. The entire game is objectively perfect to you.

>>727663550
What artifacts?

>>727663679
He's comparing the green crystal gathering at the end to artifacts

>>727663679
They replaced them with the green crystal hunt. But it's the same flawed idea, only made even worse.

>>727663269
It had everything I loved about 1, but better. Music, the areas, the weapons, the characters and lore

They did fuck up not making the radio chatter for McKenzie optional tho

>>727663736
=
Damn another tylenol victim

>>727663767
>They did fuck up not making the radio chatter for McKenzie optional tho
See, this exposes you as a liar. You literally said that Metroid needed more quippy NPCs, and that you loved every single moment of them talking. So you just contradicted yourself.

>>727663767
You're baiting but explain how the following are done better in Prime 4 over Prime 1
>Areas
>Weapons
>Characters
>Lore
Music can be left out because it's largely subjective (even though you'd still be wrong)

>>727663628
I literally said earlier they fucked up with the green crystal grind, and the chatter from miles

You are too buried in your bias to take anyone else serious without gaslighting

>>727663870
>I literally said earlier they fucked up with the green crystal grind,
Meanwhile, I complained about that exact thing, and what was your response?

>>>727663814
"Damn another tylenol victim"

>>727663817
Good lord the absolute level of gaslight, imma just go enjoy my night. You have fun in your misery, succubus

>>727663914
Take your meds, you aren't even talking to the same person

>>727663990
>>727663932
>people criticize the game
>fanboys get defensive and irritated

many such cases. Sad!

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We're not getting prime remastered patched for joycon mouse controllers or prime 2 remastered are we?

>>727663861
I actually don't have to, I've played all the primes multiple times, and I just genuinely enjoyed MP4 more

There's really not much to it
I just hope MP5 doesn't take 18 years

>>727657758
Expand your horizons

>>727664126
i hope the ip dies and stays dead

>>727664126
If prime 4 bombs it almost certainly will it's over for the prime series.

>>727664625
Nigga it's gonna be over for metroid in general if this shit bombs

>>727657105
I enjoyed it, was a good game. Pretty much just Prime 1 with tidier controls and quality of life updates. Final boss was cool, didn't know going in how I would feel about the companions but having them in on the last boss was a nice touch and a good note to end on.

>>727664730
Please no, let me cling on to one thing.

>>727657105
Halo 2 had a lot of complaints. Halo 3 had little in comparison. Yes it's true there will always be people complaining about sequels, but the extent varies and to say that literally doing anything would make a sequel fail because people are simply just divisive is a shit excuse and you might be an actual shill.

>>727664741
I don't know why people want Metroid to just be discount Avengers.

>>727664625
It's not a bad thing. Metroid M killed the IP for a decade and i hope Prime 4 does the same. Better to die a king....er... better to die a Sigma than a Simp

>>727664741
And people say Nintendo doesn't shill here

>>727664730
No? Dread wasn't expensive to make and did great.
This will only make them pull the plug on the more expensive prime series.

>>727664129
You do actually for your opinion to have any merit

>>727665108
Didn't mercury steam go bust or something

>>727663241
Awful astroturf, just stop.

>>727665241
I don't think they've gone bust yet but they probably will. But that's entirely because the head honcho is a retard. This has been known even back when they were doing the Castlevania games. The more likely future for Metroid is that it'll go back to being worked in-house, with some core Nintendo team, rather than have outside studios do it for them. Retro will probably be turned into a support studio.

>>727664994
That's a highly reductive way to look at the game.

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>>727665905
The final boss was best summed up by this kind anon.

>>727657105
>Halo fans, mass effect fans etc. Zelda fans
All fans who form their opinions from consensus, unlike Metroidchads. Seethe more about how you lack expectations.

>>727657862
2016

>>727657105
>Zelda fans are atleast accepting of radical change
If you want to take credit for relegating Zelda to Ubisoft tier, I won't stop you.

>>727660138
>literally just copy indie games
No.
>blasphemous
Most certainly not.

>>727657363
Miyamoto is the man who ruined Zelda, anon. He assigned Aonuma to overtake the series as lead director/producer over Yoshiaki Koizumi, and he was the one who forced Aonuma to drop a Twilight Princess sequel for the lame wagglefest that was Skyward Sword, WHILE they were in the middle of its development.

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>>727663861
NTA but I will address these as long as you don't say some dumb shit in response.
>>Areas
There's lore explanations for them. You arrive to one and there's a clear objective to achieve there. They feel well defined in the setting and executed in the gameplay. By comparison the areas of Prime 1 felt a little more up in the air and one has to fill in the gaps themselves with head canon.
>>Weapons
Although generically named, I like that we have explanations for what they are and that helps with what might feel lazy in that they share ammo. Them even having ammo is nice because that allows missiles to be distinct and separate from them in regards to the beam combos you can obtain. Prime 1 by comparison had less reason to alternate between beams, each one you got was basically the defacto weapon to use unless you came upon a door. Most players would agree that when arriving to the Phazon Mines they found it bothersome to switch between beams for the few enemies introduced there that demanded it. That's easy to understand and explain, the game lacked in reasons to switch beams for enemies before that sudden and minute change.
>>Characters
Do I even need to say anything here? Prime 4 actually has characters, why would you ask of this? just see picrel it's a character, a main character with personality and quirks that has massive presence and involvement in the game's story.
>>Lore
The lore in Prime 4 actually answers a lot of questions about the setting and the goings on that you partake in. It explains what facilities are used for, what happened before, and foreshadows what's to come. Compared to Prime 1 where lore was a lot of fluff that didn't pertain to the core gameplay the player is actually involved in. Prime 1 is cool and all for having background lore, but that's what it all mostly was.

>>727662920
It did feel a bit short, which is ironic considering the doom posting about how the desert is just padding.

>>727666374
>There's lore explanations for them. You arrive to one and there's a clear objective to achieve there. They feel well defined in the setting and executed in the gameplay
There's no incentive to do any of it, though. Why should Samus help this planet of aliens who just show up and do nothing? At least U-mos had the excuse of being courteous and acknowledging that Samus could just walk away. What do these lamourn offer, other than vague cryptic crap?

>Although generically named, I like that we have explanations for what they are and that helps with what might feel lazy in that they share ammo. Them even having ammo is nice because that allows missiles to be distinct and separate from them in regards to the beam combos you can obtain.
This doesn't actually explain why they're good. It just feels like you're fluffing them up unnecessarily. I still prefer the Prime 1 system, since having to switch between enemies was more fun there, whereas it's just a hassle in Prime 4.

>Prime 4 actually has characters, why would you ask of this?
How is this a good thing? Metroid is supposed to be about isolation. Having characters completely goes against the point. And useless characters at that? Come on.

>The lore in Prime 4 actually answers a lot of questions about the setting and the goings on that you partake in. It explains what facilities are used for, what happened before, and foreshadows what's to come.
The problem is that, like point 1, there's no reason to care. We just come to this planet by chance, then we leave. No reason to even bother to save these stupid aliens or the planet. Prime 1 at least had more going on with Samus' grudge with the space pirates. What a damn shame that they got sidelined for no reason here.

>>727666793
>There's no incentive to do any of it, though. Why should Samus help this planet of aliens
Because she and others are stuck on the planet.
>At least U-mos had the excuse of being courteous and acknowledging that Samus could just walk away
I am certain that Samus's character is the answer to your conundrum. She doesn't seem to be someone who leaves things half finished or walks away from those in need. A lot of the games in the franchise begin with her responding to a distress call and diverting her flight path to investigate. Prime 2 begins in such a way, she is seeking to assist federation troops who have sent one.
>What do these lamourn offer
For one they are as of yet unknown species who is in need of aid. Even outside of the game the player will likely be interested in exploring a new alien landscape and discovering what they can.
>I still prefer the Prime 1 system, since having to switch between enemies was more fun there, whereas it's just a hassle in Prime 4.
I have to disagree entirely. Prime 4 allows you to use power beam while having another beam active, that's an objective improvement whether you prefer an outdated mechanic or not.
>How is this a good thing?
You are moving the goal posts. I was simply responding to your questionnaire. You asked why the characters are better, and I answered you genuinely. Please refrain from saying dumb shit as I requested.
>there's no reason to care
There's several reasons to care. Samus cares, Samus and her compatriots are marooned as well, and a player is going to innately and intrinsically want to explore and do things it's why they purchased and started playing a Metroid game.
>What a damn shame that [space pirates] got sidelined
they'll live

>>727666035
The game is shit. That is just a small example of the game being shit.

>>727667182
>Because she and others are stuck on the planet.
A result of a convenient and shoddy piece of writing."oh you shot a thing, now you traveled to a random planet tee hee". Really contrived.

>She doesn't seem to be someone who leaves things half finished or walks away from those in need
Then why, pray tell, did she up and leave the feds with Sylux via teleporter?

>For one they are as of yet unknown species who is in need of aid. Even outside of the game the player will likely be interested in exploring a new alien landscape and discovering what they can.
And considering there's nothing rewarding to find, that results in a wet fart.

>I have to disagree entirely. Prime 4 allows you to use power beam while having another beam active,
And I've played Prime 1 with Primehack, the original system is still better.

>You asked why the characters are better, and I answered you genuinely
You've fallen for the trapping of thinking that more characters = better, or that more story = better. That is not true in a Metroid game. Metroid is supposed to be minimalist. Having ANY extraneous characters defeats the point.

>Samus cares, Samus and her compatriots are marooned as well,
Samus clearly doesn't care, since she just up and leaves them at the first opportunity.

>>727664273
God, you babies are so fuckin' dramatic. Prime 4's just an 8/10 game, at worst.

>>727667610
6/10 and it sets a terrible precedent.

>>727667460
>Really contrived.
This franchise routinely concocts a reason she loses her abilities from a previous game, or just doesn't bother to give a reason at all. This is one of the most contrived franchises of all time. Teleporting to a planet without a convenient means of evacuation doesn't exactly top the list.
>leave the feds with Sylux via teleporter
Not sure why you would ask this, to deal with Sylux.
>rewarding
She's known to do things pro bono, so I'm not sure what you're driving at. You seem keen on mischaracterizing Samus.
>And I've played Prime 1 with Primehack
That's nice.
>more characters = better
I told you to stop saying stupid shit. You asked here >>727663861
>explain how the [Characters] are done better in Prime 4 over Prime 1
It's a laughable question considering the facts. I explained so already above.
>Samus clearly doesn't care
Oh she seems to have motivation alright, she pursues Sylux and she elects to save the Lamorn people while rescuing her fellow troops.

>>727667860
>This franchise routinely concocts a reason she loses her abilities from a previous game, or just doesn't bother to give a reason at all. This is one of the most contrived franchises of all time. Teleporting to a planet without a convenient means of evacuation doesn't exactly top the list.
When a series makes a mistake, you're supposed to NOT repeat it. It's stupid when Samus randomly loses her powerups, and doesn't make the game better.

>Not sure why you would ask this, to deal with Sylux.
Why can't Samus deal with him?

>She's known to do things pro bono, so I'm not sure what you're driving at.
Maybe she shouldn't. It's stupid.

>it's a laughable question considering the facts. I explained so already above.
again, you fell into the trapping of thinking more = better. They over-explain the feds and show them way too much. That completely ruins the atmosphere of a metroid game. I don't want to babysit these retards.

>Oh she seems to have motivation alright, she pursues Sylux and she elects to save the Lamorn people while rescuing her fellow troops.
So how many of the troops does she save? oh, they all stay behind and die. Whoops!

>>727666374
>Areas
Pretty conveniently leaving out the level design with this answer, which trumps everything else.
>Weapons
I'm struggling to understand why having the different beams require ammo that's separate from missiles is a good thing. You effectively have three weapons drawing from one pool, then one weapon drawing from another. It immediately makes missile expansions a shittier upgrade because it is a worse weapon.
In comparison beam combos from Prime 1 and 2 give you a great way to actually use the shitload of missile expansions you get throughout the game.
This doesn't even take into account the tedium of having to bring the chips to Myles for no other reason that to justify his existence, which brings me to
>Characters
Having more characters doesn't automatically make it better, especially when they don't add anything to the game. Their sum total is tedious escort sections, bad dialog, and weapon chip backtracking. Any emotional attachment the game thinks exists between Samus and them is a stretch at best because they only just met. Which all is to say that the characters are a net negative on Prime 4, which in turn makes it worse than Prime 1's characters which is zero
>Lore
Prime 1's lore enriches the world beyond just reiterating the plot. It adds to the experience for those that give enough of a shit to scan and read it. It tells us about how Phazon fucked up Talon IV and subsequently how the Space Pirates started experimenting on it. It spells out everything about what's going and on and why Samus needs to stop it while also giving the Space Pirates a lot of character

>>727667990
>When a series makes a mistake, you're supposed to NOT repeat it.
It's call a central conceit. All players have to suspend their disbelief to engage with not just this series but video games as a medium. I'm afraid having sky high expectations of writing in a video game is only ever going to leave you disappointed.
>Why can't Samus deal with him?
I don't want to spoil it for anyone intending to play the game for themselves.
>Maybe she shouldn't. It's stupid.
Well, it's Samus.

I don't think I will respond beyond this point, I've already told you to refrain from the dumber stuff you keep saying.

>>727666793
Samus can't escape Aether as long as the constant storms can damage her ship, on top of the space pirate presence on the planet. Following through with U-Mos's plea to recover its planetary energy and break the stalemate was her best bet at survival.

>The problem is that, like point 1, there's no reason to care. We just come to this planet by chance, then we leave. No reason to even bother to save these stupid aliens or the planet.

What's even worse is that Samus pretty much resolves almost nothing in this game outside of getting back into familiar space. Everything about the aliens, the broken artifact, Sylux, and the gang are largely inconclusive. She plants the memory fruit and that's it, the game ends with more questions than answers.

>>727668085
I routinely ran out of missiles because I used them liberally. It's good that there's multiple resources to pull from between missiles and beams.

>>727668191
>it's call a central conceit. All players have to suspend their disbelief to engage with not just this series but video games as a medium.
That's a problem when the game also wants to have le deep and le epic story. If you're gonna just have a bing bing wahoo adventure, then you can get away with a ton of contrivances, since you're clearly not expecting me to care. But if you want a deep and epic character study, then you can't have contrivances. You can't have your cake and eat it too. why should I invest any time into this world, if you're not going to think it through?

>I don't want to spoil it for anyone intending to play the game for themselves.
When they get to it, they'll be pretty dumbfounded from how stupid it is.

>>727668286
They're not balanced resources. One will be used up three times as quickly as the other

>>727657105
Do we really need another fire and ice area?

>>727657105
I've ignored online discourse entirely and I've enjoyed the game a lot. it seems like most nintendo hate channel's target demographics are third world monkeys because I'll see comments like "I'll just emulate it" on a video for a switch 2 exclusive. Like they have no concept of how long it took switch 1 emulation to be even playable, or they're no-pc retards that think switch 1 emus work for switch 2.

>>727664625
This, it's better that way, nearly 20 years and no form of innovation from the Prime series, just dated ass gimmicks with the terrible gimmicks of today all shoved into one crappy package. It's time for the series to permanently go back to 2D. If they ever do another 3D Metroid game, for the love of all things holy, do a Mario, Zelda, DK, Kirby, and Wario out of it by making it a third-person Metroid game. This is what I always wanted and of course, that isn't Other M.

Why do nintendofags feel the need to defend anything and everything that company shits out?

>>727664730
Wrong, Metroid will just return to its roots of 2D Metroid especially since it costs less than the Prime series pushing towards AAA slop. Pull the plug on the Prime series before it gets any worse.

>>727665702
This

>>727666035
>Knuckle Up
This has got to be one of the worst writings I've ever seen for a game, and I remember Sonic Heroes crappy writing.

>>727668739
Other M's gameplay is on par with Prime. Which is to say both are shallow as shit. But Other M had way more potential to make a good 3D Metroid game than Prime which is very limited because platforming in 1st person sucks.

Of course we're never getting a 3rd person Metroid again because of the backlash from Other M, but who cares when you can take the worst of both worlds and create the abomination that is Prime 4.

>>727668497
Ice was especially a lame pick because they already got it so right with Phendrana that nothing could live up to it.

>>727657105
They never stuck to the original formula. MP1 was universally regarded as a masterpiece but they decided to fuck things up with subsequent games instead of making more games like it.

>>727669038
This, they kept taking the original game, removing what made it good and then slapped gimmicks on top. Metroid Prime 1 was like the Half-Life 1 of the series, Metroid Prime 2 should have been the Half-Life 2 of the series. When I saw that Prime 2 was just an asset flip of Prime 1, I knew the Prime series' future was fucked.

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>>727660595
No can do sorry

>>727660090
Prime has always been this linear you secondary.
You can't deviate and get upgrades outside of the standard path without resorting to glitches.
The only Metroid games that aren't linear in design are NES/ZM and Super, all the other games have a linear upgrade path with exactly 0 deviation.

Tanabe hates glitch abuse to break sequences so much he went out of his way to add extra barriers to prevent it in Prime 1's PAL version.

>>727669464
Why are we repeating these mistakes? Super clearly showed how good sequence breaks can be, why not let people have some freedom?

I really regret getting a Switch 2 now. DK Bananza was great but that's it. I'm just waiting for Duskbloods now.

Oh well. I have a large Steam backlog to play on my Legion Go and Xbox Ally.

>>727657105
Except people seem to like the parts of MP4 that are actually like Metroid Prime. Cut the Feddie Force and the desert and it'd be getting praise. Hell even if you had to keep the Feddie Force, the desert is the universally agreed upon worst fucking idea. The desert exists only for two reasons, to waste your time and to sell you a way to listen to music early while wasting your time.

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>>727669206
I cannot possibly put into words the absolute depths of hatred I feel towards this man.

>>727669608
No they don't. Those parts are bad too.
There are effectively only like 3 enemy types over the entire game and the levels are too linear and the power-ups are the most creatively bankrupt shit imaginable.
Even if you stripped the bike and the npcs, it's still slop.

I wanted to buy this game but I had to buy my mom a Christmas present instead. Dang it

None of the changes they have made to metroid are good or acceptable in any way. They only make dogshit terrible changes to metroid. Also, prime 1 and super are bascally perfect games, you dont "evolve" them, they dont need to "evolve" Dont fix what isnt broken.
>>727657279
Fpbp

>>727669939
What did you get her?

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>>727670032
Cordless leaf blower

>>727670070
Pretty good. Can help her around the yard. :)

>>727662551
why is it always the same song and dance
only a shill would care about being called a shill

5 Nintendo points have been added to your account

>>727669464
Stop shilling

>>727670070
Should of just gotten Prime 4. It blows harder than the leaf blower ever could.

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>>727670958
Carlos!

>>727670958
Should have*

>>727670958
I'm Beyond disappointed

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>>727663507
Right?
>Where could Metroid have evolved to not be a rehash of Prime 1?
Yeah, it's not like we haven't had TWO DECADES of other developers, Indie and Mainstream innovating on and refining the Metroidvania formula.

And no, I do not mean Metroid rollslop. But From has super subtle environment based storytelling which is perfect for Metroid, and likely inspired by Prime 1. And Form became popular despite that more subtle storytelling.

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>>727671396
Not to mention Fromsoft mastered the idea of having NPCs in a game without needing to show their faces. Armored Core has been doing it since 1997, what excuse does Retro have?

>>727671452
AC combat is exactly what I was thinking in what Prime could improve. Metroid Prime series has never had great combat to begin with, so at least that would have been a good starting point. It would be somewhat tricky to balance with the lock and key design of Metroidvania games, but honestly, fuck It, if they were gonna throw that out anyway in favor of a genuinely empty open world, then I'd have at least preferred better shooting and mobility over open world slop. The level design wound up being super linear anyway, so a greater emphasis on combat. Up the difficulty and the HORROR elements, like Bloodborne, like Sekiro, and a more linear game would have been fine. At least Samus would move like she's supposed to canonically.

>>727657105
>Halo fans
No one who played past ODST/Reach is an actual fan, anyone who played H4 and didn't quit outright is braindead. There's a divide between H1/H2 already, but those that like both mostly like H3/Reach/ODST too and make up the core Halo audience.
We DESPISE nu-Halo for its radical changes and nonsensical plot etc.
>Mass Effect
Nigger I will fucking cut you
>Zelda
Nigger I WILL fucking cut you if I find you. Zelda fans got replaced by Zoomers, we didn't accept change they stopped making games for us and found a new audience.

>>727672630
>they stopped making games for us and found a new audience.
This summarizes the changes to Prime 4 quite well.

>>727666035
i dont know why people think this is tanabe. this is so obviously western design coded that its 100% from executives at retro who thought it was a good idea or "cool". i blame the 343 hires and the utter shitshow that was the management of this project. people high up constantly coming and going was a sign that it was doomed

>>727674243
People are trying to blame Nintendo for this but Nintendo were barely showing it because even they knew it sucked. Only Primefags are defending the game.

It’s 23 years since the first Prime game, 31 years since Super Metroid. Gaming already saw a handful of games that took level/word design inspirations from these classics, like Dark Souls, Prey, Hollow Knight. Metroid Prime 4, instead of evolving the Super Metroid formula which is timeless by the way, opted for mediocre and half-ass new ideas that completely butchered Metroid’s exceptionalism. Honestly, you cannot call yourself a Metroid fan if you like this game.

>>727674865
really would not be shocked to learn that nintendo internally deemed prime 4 as a failure and just kind of cut their losses. makes me wonder if theyll do a prime 5. im sure retro wants to do one, but nintendo would be significantly smarter to find another studio to let them do it. theres basically no fixing retro at this point without firing fucking everyone

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>finish the game
>sylux shows up out of fucking nowhere (where was this guy all game?)
>get zapped to some pocket dimension sylux had on tap
>everyone fucking dies anyway (why did we keep them around to talk all game?)
>plant a tree and move the fuck on
>zero elaboration on anything, at all, anywhere
this is the MGSV of metroid

Unironically though, why not just make the one people like (which is generally Super Metroid or Prime 1), but make it better, with common sense upgrades, as opposed to gimmicks no one asked for?
Prime 1 doesn't have super good combat encounters, and the puzzles can be a little too "tab A into slot B", so work on these aspects.
Work on those aspects, while maintaining the atmosphere and aesthetic sensibilities.

Why would you ever approach Metroid by going "bro, you know what Samus has never done? Ride a motor cycle!". Who gives a fuck? It's not a franchise about motor cycles.

>>727675121
>zero elaboration on anything, at all, anywhere

They never elaborate on the aliens evolving into the other aliens either. The entire thing is a fucking mess, why is samus even helping them? Do the mooks know they died because the aliens wanted samus to plant a tree of knowledge elsewhere?

It's all wrong and bad there should be a stronger word for it, like badong

>>727674243
Yeah, it's easy to blame Nintendo since they're the ones in charge of the whole thing but this does seem like Retro wanting some Halo audience and after such a long dev time and changing teams and restarting projects Nintendo just wanted to get it out the door.
I wonder if they regret buying Retro. They usually only buy companies who closely align with their own design philosophy but Retro seemed like a spur of the moment decision because of what happened with the old CEO who was fucking things up royally.

>>727675184
The mooks constantly namedrop places and concepts they should have zero knowledge of, they should have NO idea what the grievers are but there are lines specifically dedicated to them talking about it

It's incredibly sloppy and there was no thought put into it at all, it's like there are 2-3 conflicting storylines retro was going to do but they got forced to combine them

>>727674958
Yeah, Retro's getting gutted after this one, I can't see Nintendo being as lenient as Sony on their western branches. Nintendo during Dread kept the game marketed with its own website and Dread Reports to get fans excited about the game and keep it on their minds and it worked really well. Most of their major Switch 2 games got their own Directs, but this game, this game was special. I didn't get any directs specially for it, it's marketing just felt there, and it didn't even get its own website. Prime 4's website is just Dread's website and unlike Dread which has its own personal site, Prime 4 just sends you to the eShop. Something tells me you and me are right and Nintendo simply knew this game was screwed but it was too late to can it. This was probably their biggest money waster, so Retro is going to be a support studio after this one.

>>727657473
Based on what evidence? The Metroid fanbase generally kind of knows what they like, and only complain when they're not getting what they like.
The last time we got a "standard" Metroid was also literally Prime 1, which was 20 years ago. Almost every Metroid game is some kind of experiment. It's okay to touch base occasionally.

>>727675202
Not only that, Retro seems to be that one dev that always argue with Nintendo on things like NST, and you know what happened to NST after they pissed Nintendo off one too many times.

They must have known they shipped an incomplete and rushed game, I refuse to believe that they thought that what they shipped was good. There are just fundamentals issues with the structure of the game, map design, the desert and story

>>727675248
>It's incredibly sloppy and there was no thought put into it at all, it's like there are 2-3 conflicting storylines retro was going to do but they got forced to combine them
And the worst thing is, none of them have any conclusion. Sylux story is barely even there and the Viewros story about green energy also just gets forgotten after the magma place.
I think they just rushed the game out which is funny because it took 6+ years

>>727675573
The entire game reeks of some internal problem like not having a main guy calling the shots and synthesizing everything into a cohesive package

Sylux is included because hunters + federation force, it makes sense for him to be in 4, but he does basically nothing except exist and apparently go around fusing metroids onto shit 3 seconds before you fight it, there's GREEN ENERGY BAD going on that has nothing to do with anything except explaining all the reskinned enemies, and everyone loves to talk about bullshit

>>727657375
Correction.
Women and faggots love cringe and gay shit like Quirky McNerdChungus. Kids thinks it lame but have no voice to complain.

Nintendo is fully committed to getting more adult women and faggots to buy their products and this is how they can achieve that.
Don't like it?
Too fucking bad. These companies are beyond reason and want an audience that will eat any shit they squirt out. Women and faggots only is their primary goal and they will get it. They will then put in the absolute bare minimum amount of effort and their new demographic will lap it up.

There is no stopping this without heavily restriciting corporations with some kind of bullshit paper thin lawfare. Simply not buying it is exactly what they want. You are being replaced. They will get their easy money.

Nintendo needs to wrangle Retro better. I have no idea how they let them work on projects that go nowhere for years.
Someone needed to tell them in like 2015 "you're making a sci-fi shooter or a fantasy game with swords for the Western audience, and it's out within three years"

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>>727657105
Still playing through it so I'm going to leave this reply and dip but the game's good.
Wish the areas weren't so linearly designed but there's some good shit there. Going through Ice Belt and activating power just to hear that music kick in as you walk back and fight hordes of their failed research is a top Metroid moment.
Anybody who seriously thinks this game is on par with or worse than Other M does not remember how bad that game is and what it did to this franchise back then. Okay, goodbye.

>>727675935
culture war shitheads like you don't belong in metroid threads, go find another franchise to parasitize

>>727675893
I knew the game was screwed when Retro started over-hiring getting AAA people while outsourcing to other companies. That's always a big red flag. Metroid Prime should have stayed AA, not try to go AAA.

>>727675893
It's so weird because the development was supposedly restarded from scratch when they switched to Retro, but the game feels like it was handed of half made to them and then they scrambled to fix it while failing. I really would like to see the people calling the shots for the game as they don't seem to have had any idea of what they were doing

>>727675232
Ok I just left the volcano, does the whole fusing metroids thing ever actually get explained or become relevant at all? It's such a random thing for metroids to suddenly be able to do and no one has ever even mentioned it so far in the plot. Why is every boss I meet pre-fused with a metroid? Why are there no normal metroids around? How the fuck did Sylux have any control over them in the intro?

>>727676084
>It's such a random thing for metroids to suddenly be able to do and no one has ever even mentioned it so far in the plot.
It's this specific breed of Metroids from Sylux that do this, not a general new Metroid ability.
>Why is every boss I meet pre-fused with a metroid?
Samus and some feds were transported, so were Sylux and some Metroids
>How the fuck did Sylux have any control over them in the intro?
Stole a baby at the end of Federation Force. The assumption is that it imprinted onto him (not unlike the baby in Metroid 2/Super) and he used it to make more.

>>727657105
I don't like Zelda's modern changes. It's most people's first Zelda.

>>727676084
>Ok I just left the volcano, does the whole fusing metroids thing ever actually get explained or become relevant at all?
No and you will see zero Metroids while on Viewros. Dunno if there is one or two hidden scanlogs somewhere, but they didn't explain shit about Metroids or Sylux

>>727676016
transsexual enabler

>>727676225
>It's most people's first Zelda.
it's not doe

Is that still unplayable on emul?

>>727676831
It sold like 30 million copies. It's objectively most people's first zelda.

>>727665702
>The more likely future for Metroid is that it'll go back to being worked in-house
So they'll suck, hard.

>>727662163
personally known more than one AC fan who thinks the stagger bar single handedly ruined ac6

>>727660154
the audience definitely knows what they want but the masses matter more to the shareholders

>>727657518
yup
3 was a perfect, despite low, note to end the series on. It concluded on the plot points set out in the first and second game and tied up all the loose ends. The only reason we got Prime 4 is because they decided to throw the entire series into another direction based on a 10 second post-credits clip
holy shit Metroid is more like marvel than we thought bros

>>727657541
>Federation Force
It is good tho just not a "Metroid"

>>727657105
Dread showed you the way
>Power ups should be more than keys
>Bare maximum amount of story a Metroid game should include
>Focuses on the "correct" lore elements
>Level design that accomodates exploration instead of trying to kill it

Prime 4 adds too much fluff. We're tired of fluff. That's also why despite breaking sales records, nobody is playing MH Wilds. You can't make the game easier in every conceivable way and then add shit that is exclusively there to waste your time.

>>727657956
why did you spoiler a 15 year old game bro

>>727657105
That's bullshit since people liked Dread.
This isn't some Zelda Cycle bullshit.
They just flat out made a bad game.

>>727657105
>Metroid fans and players, and anyone with a brain
>Please don't do open world/field, it's a bad fit and Metroid is going to suffer for it
>Nintendo: does open world, it's a bad fit and Metroid suffers for it
Die. Die die die die die die die.

>>727676013
Play it a second time.
The linearity makes replaying the game a miserable slog. Which Metroid has never fucked up.
Resident evil 8 taught me that a strong singular section or moment of the game could make it a miserable slog when the initial high and run is done.

>>727681963
You are unfortunately wrong. The game would be bad even without the open world, it genuinely has some of the single fucking worst level design in the entire series.

>>727659912
>everyone who likes prime and who is 18 years older than when they played prime 3 wants an evolution
I certainly didn't want this shit
I wanted Prime 1 but better
and I got Prime 2
and it was good
then I got Prime 3
which wasn't an unexpected surprise but the entire concept felt off
I wish they would have actually devolved back to Prime 2 for Prime 4 instead of making Prime 3-2

>>727661130
my younger sister bought and 100% both BotW and TotK so you might be on to something anon

>>727657473
nobody bitched and complained when they did it for Prime 2

>>727657105
Unrelated but somewhat baffled that some people here are suggesting that Prime 2 is worth emulating. Did anyone actually enjoy Dark Aether? I don't really remember it fondly.

>>727682224
its just numerically factually true.
like of course there will be a chunk of old zelda fans who bough bought the game and enjoyed it, but even if every OoT buyer decided to boycott the new ones they still wouldve been the biggest zeldas.
its almost an entire fanbase replacement.

>>727662934
the BotW style shrines
the TotK style puzzles
The Mario Kart Bike tutorial
the skyward sword style power-up
the desert energy-crystal grind
the Prime 1 style key fetch quest
those aren't the only things people are criticizing and you know it

>>727682404
This has happened with a lot of game series. Very little of the current Fallout fanbase has played the first two, and I doubt that any of the BG3 fans have played BG1 and BG2. Kinda just something you have to cope with. It's over anon.

>>727657105
i mean they literally just turned metroid into skyward sword. this is classic zelda as a corridor fps game. it's 343 making zelda and i'm being serious.

>pirate 1 on switch
>own 2 on GC already
Should I just download the trilogy and dust off my Wii?

>>727682393
Prime 2 is the best prime game. People are predisposed to hate any area with time limits or constantly degrading health but that's a pleb take. What prime 2 does well is what is special about prime while doing it better than any other game in the series.

>>727657105
Most people liked Dread. Just do more of that and less of Beyond.

>>727683151
It's ugly, tedious, and is antithetical to what makes Metroid games interesting, namely encouraging exploration. It creates difficult boss fights I guess. Everybody LOOOVES the Boost Guardian.

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we could be playing dread silksong instead of prime 4

>>727657105
>why dont the normies accept metroid like with breath of the wild zelda slop :(
Kill yourself. Botw destroyed the franchise

>scan a space pirate
>sylux forces pages is literally only 4 entries

that was the sign for me

>>727657105
SAMUS? SAMUS ARE-IN?!

>>727657105
You claim this garbage after dread. the mots "divisive" thing about that was the mostly optional parry

>>727682049
Disappointing sure, but no less than prime 3. This game has this god awful desert that will make replays fucking miserable though. Prime 3 is very replayable if not just a slog early on.

>>727657105
>remaster prime 1
>literally perfection
>prime 4 is completely different for worse and fans reject it
>WTF Metroid fans are never satisfied!
Eat shit.

>>727657473
We want more Metroid. We were not given more Metroid. So I will complain.

>>727657862
Prime isn't a Metroidvania either. Doom 2016 is very close to Prime, it's like a mix of MP1 and Halo 4.

>>727657105
What a bullshit copout excuse for a 5/10 game.

>>727657105
Metroidfags have an autistic false view of what the series is because they’ve gotten all their opinions of the games from youtube essays and message boards

>>727684906
naheternal is way more similar, 2016 is totally barren, its just obfuscated by the increased verticality because of the movement

>>727657105

2D Metroid? Kino.
3D Metroid? Shit.

Simple as!

>>727664203
Can you spoonfeed an anon? Prime 4 sucked so bad and I'm bitter.

>>727669537
>Why are we repeating these mistakes? Super clearly showed how good sequence breaks can be, why not let people have some freedom?
I think the issue is with cutscene story stuff, breaking the game works well in 2D because there's no specific scenes that has to play after the other, but in the 3D games it does raise an issue. Its another reason why less is more in this series, but modern gamers are so mentally deficient that if they don't' have their voice acting and cutscenes they'll throw a hissy fit.

>>727685237

Alien Isolation. Imagine a combination of System Shock and Metroid Prime.
It's an amazing 3D Metroidvania disguised as a survival horror stealth game.
No, you don't have to be an Alien fan to enjoy it.

Batman: Arkham Asylum. Not a FPS but everyone who enjoys Prime should play it anyway. Imagine the scanning system but expanded to be used as a stealth tool and detective device to help you solve crimes and puzzles for upgrades. Great time.
No, you don't have to be a Batman fan to enjoy it.

They could avoid the backlash if they just decided to make a good game for once instead of masquerading around an ip with a game that tries to be anything except what fans want

>>727681689
Replaying dread, holy shit the pacing is just perfect for its content.
Also shows the kind of personality Samus should have.

>>727682490
>the BotW style shrines
>the TotK style puzzles
>The Mario Kart Bike tutorial
>the skyward sword style power-up
>the desert energy-crystal grind
>the Prime 1 style key fetch quest
>those aren't the only things people are criticizing and you know it

These all sound fine to me

Bro I do not give a single FUCK about the galactic federation I wish they never appeared in the story at all. The story isn’t even about Samus it’s about them

prime 4 is straight up worse. name one thing it did better than 1 2 or 3

>>727689253
Accessible to a modern audience. Have you tried buying Prime 2 or 3 recently? The collection?

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What the fuck is with this boss? A bunch of his attacks are literally undodgeable. Why did they get rid of the sidestep abiliity from the previous games?

>>727689253
Graphics. I've seen a lot of Switch only gamers gushing over the graphics, it might be one of their first times experiencing 120 fps too, which is why you'll see comments about how good it feels to play or how "buttery smooth" it is.

>>727682393
Prime 2 is my favorite prime game. its all opinion, but I think the good of prime 2 far outweighs the bad.
I straight up love the world hopping mechanic, I never struggled with ammo or the poison air. The sky temple keys are not defend-able and I will not bother trying, yea it sucks. and a couple bosses stomp your balls on the first go, but so did prime 1?

prime 2 feels better to replay than 1 because you don't have to go through magmoor like 6 fucking times. Who replays that game and doesnt just jump through the lava and damage boost as hard as possible to get it over with?

>>727689538
They didn't. Did you turn off tutorials?

>>727657105
>introduce exclusively shitty ideas and put zero effort into them
>all the things that were once good continue to regress
OMG THEY CAN NEVER WIN YOU GUYS HATE EVERYTHING

>>727689538
they didnt
you have to push the jump buttons WAY faster to actually side step and I don't know why they fucked with that. You don't need space jump.
but now you can also back dash

>>727689813
The funniest part is the rerelease of prime 1 that got a 94 so you know it holds up.

welp, fellas, I just beat prime 4. what a nothing burger ending.
Honestly, its the worst prime game. apologize to prime 3 right fucking now, holy shit. nothing from the aurora units was as annoying as the npc's yapping over every little upgrade pick up and save point.

Why do the psychic aliens look like fucking metroid prime essences and why is it -totally- that they want you to plant a (leviathan) seed on some different planet?
The fucking green energy shit is just harmful to everything and the fruit is pumped full of it, isnt that just phazon? They go nowhere with this fat red herring and sylux just shows up at the end, not counting his shitty robots
the spoiler has nothing worth spoiling, but whatever

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>>727657105
>ONE GAME IS BAD MEANS ALL ARE BAD NOW :((
Damn I think we need official divorce papers between 3D and 2D Metroid fanbases. I fucking loathe you Metroid Prime 3 and Prime 4 shitters. Samus Returns 3DS remake did well enough to greenlight Metroid Dread. Dread followed the footsteps of Fussion by conforming to some linearity in favor of increased horror elements. Resident Evil could not work in open world, so I can understand trading in Metroidvania's license in favor of a fusion of genres. That's fine. The EMMI and SA-X are fantastic gatekeepers.

Metroid Prime 3/4 faggot fanboys go dine with Kensuke Tanabe and Myles locked in a room that is conveniently an airlock too so that Raven Beak can turn off the oxygen. I hope we get a new Mercury Metroid game.

Bump.

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>>727666330
Based Koizumi connoisseur

>>727665702
>Castlevania games
That explains why Dread had a boss fight thrown at you in every five rooms.

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>>727657105
>If they stick the old formula people will bitch the series doesnt evolve enough.
Only haters do this. Fans like getting the same GOOD game multiple times.

>>727674243
It all started with Retro working on that shovelware music game for the Wii U.

>>727662628
>samus can't even damage him
So why didn't she shoot Sylux at the end??

>>727666330
Aonuma and Fujibayashi ruined Zelda. If anything Miyamoto could save it if he created a Zelda mandate. Koizumi could also save it but he's been promoted too far above working on individual games anymore because that's how boomer corporate structure works.

So is Prime 4 really that bad?

>>727696847
The game starts ok, picks up and start actually being kinda good, then endgame happens and everything crumbles, it's the definition of an 8/10.
I still think it's better than prime 3, but barely, mainly because the areas here are far more interesting than shit like norion and pirate homeworld.

>>727696965
Why are people rating it so high? I barely give it a 5/10. Should've just given it a 0/10 due to introducing obnoxious NPCs.

>>727657105
This is gaslighting straight up. Metroid Dread was as true to Metroid as it gets and it sold 3m+ units. Everyone fucking loved it, even a lot of the doubters. And you wanna know why?
Because it was a fucking Metroid game. Not BotW clone #500.

not enough people are shitting on the annoying sounds the Grievers make whenever you backtrack through an area. It makes it such a chore.

>>727669206
He also ruined Link’s Awakening

>>727696847
No

They should have made it where you are brutally defeated at the beginning of the game, narrowly surviving in your zero suit. This forces you to explore a hostile planet, relying on the occasional aid of unexpected allies, to scrounge up pieces of ancient armor to regain power and figure out a way to stop the seemingly invincible big bad.

>>727698012
This sounds like a great idea for a new 2D Metroid that further follows the horror template of Fusion and Dread.

>>727657105
who the fuck would bitch about maze like inter connected world that has verticality and cool bosses.

Does every green scan count towards the %?

>>727657105
Literally nobody wanted hamfisted companion characters in a Metroid game. It's like they don't even know why people enjoy Metroid in the first place.

>>727657105
people liked dread