2 was better than 1 thoughbeit

>>727666369
i thought 2 was fine, even good, it's just very different from 1.
how was the 1 remake btw?

>>727666438
I'm playing through it right now. It's just what you'd expect, pretty much high res textures and the widescreen fix mod applied by default.
It's literally the same game in widescreen which isn't really a bad thing.

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>>727666369
>2
>dogshit

>>727666602
I need muh base building.

As a newfag, what would be a good novel to start with? I enjoy pulp fantasy and sci-fi (Vance, Wolfe, Heinlein, Howard, Zelazny etc).

>>727666509
Nta, but i never played the original DoW, should i buy it or the remaster? From what i've seen the remaster is the same game with some Qol fixes right?

>>727666758
It's there, just not in the campaign.

>>727667040
Yeah just get the remaster, no need to bother with the originals imo.

>>727666369
Disappointed now that the primarch wank is going to be in the new game as well. I hate having to deal with the primarchs, because now the entire story is going to revolve around whatever the Lion'el Johnson is doing and the characters everyone already knows from the game itself are going to take a back seat.

>>727667091
Thanks

>>727667112
We have to appeal to the "i clapped because i know who that is!" crowd

Primarchs are cool and interesting and you can call it marvel slop or whatever, I dont give a fuck.

>>727666393
It was worse in every conceivable way, especially the cringy, plastic looking visuals. When GW told them it should look like the source material, they weren't referring to the actual plastic miniatures.

>>727666369
I was excited until they announced more fucking primarch wank. I might still play it, but I've lost all excitement for it now.

>>727666393
The single thing 2 had going for it was the coop campaigns.
>Last Stand
Artificial replay value for grinding levels makes it fucking suck. Trivial to win once you and your friends aren't tied down by having to grind EXP. It demands more grinding than the US release of 7th Saga. Decent mode marred with utter dogshit grinding mechanics.
>Skirmish
Fucking sucked in 2.

>>727667262
They are, but not in a video game. Each of the primarchs conquered the planets they were stranded on before they turned 18, and that was before they became space marines. How do you have a douche like that running around as a playable unit? You would have to dilute them to the point that they are no longer representative of being a primarch.

>>727667778
>actually playing skirmish and last stand
the good part of the game is the campaign

>>727666369
Cautiously optimistic. Definitely won't be a day 1 purchase but if it's a true continuation from DOW1's mechanics and not complete shit I'll buy it. I thought DOW2 was good though.

>>727667112
Yeah this is the big problem with modern 40k storytelling. It's hard to focus on a Space Marine character that ISN'T a Primarch. Because there's no way what they're doing is as important as what the Primarch is doing. I was surprised that Space Marine 2 had enough restraint to JUST bring in Marneus Calgar. And don't get me wrong, there's an argument to be made for just... making games based on shit like the Plague Wars or the Indominus Crusade. Hell I'd argue the next Battlefleet game should logically be the Indominus Crusade given that Battlefleet Gothic 2 dealt with the aftermath of the destruction of Cadia. But the advantage of 40k is that you have this gigantic galaxy and get to tell all these different types of stories. In the grand scheme of things, the events of DOW1 were pretty minor. I mean Winter Assault is about getting one titan operational. So I hope they keep the Primarch stuff minimal.

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>>727667839
The primarchs should've stayed as ancient, mythical history of the setting. Not actual characters in the modern setting that have entire fucking plotlines devoted to whatever the fuck they're doing and literally everything else revolves around a handful of characters now.

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>>727667874
is this the official stream?

>>727667839
Yeah, especially the Lion, wasn't that nigga one of the strongest Primarchs?
>b-but he's a bit old because he slept for ten thousand years!
So? Primarchs are stupidly OP

>>727667913
--ACK!

>>727667936
It was in their official promotion material in game showcases. If they can't help themselves in trailer material, theres a high chance they can't help themselves and add tranny bullshit in the game as well.

>>727668014
>theres a high chance they can't help themselves and add tranny bullshit in the game as well.
Hell yeah, finally more EC representation

>>727667839
It could work if Girlyman or whoever was a campaign exclusive unit that you got after turning the tide in the last mission. Like a juiced up version of your Force Commander that shreds everything as part of the last charge to defeat the final boss Greater Daemon or maybe even an opposing Daemon Primarch. If you can just call down the big blueberry in Skirmish it makes it so the character isn't special. That said, there's a real risk that you also make it seem like the actual main character of the Imperium story feels pointless.

Do the primaris even have rhinos or is it some gay grav lift vehicle with heavy stubbers

>>727668014
that's the games workshop or thc or whatever stream?

i don't give a shit if some tranny streamer is partnered with them - as a business you just find the guys with view and send them money, to some extent this would be those partners griefing thc/etc - but it's an entirely different thing if that's the company stream.

>>727666369
Not hyped, the starting factions are dog shit, it should be the same factions as DoW 1 if you must choose only 4.

>>727668096
>that's the games workshop or thc or whatever stream?
No, that was in one of the Summer game shows.

3 is fine

>necrons are awakening a Ctan or something

okay???

>>727668212
C'tan shard*, the Deceiver and Nightbringer aren't the only C'tan left anymore. Though the Night Bringer in Dark Crusade was some extra gay bullshit that at least was on a timer before he fucked off and you just had a Necron Lord to deal with instead.

Looks like a phone game I don't like it at all

>>727668169
so they sent a demo to a game show run by some fags and those fags turned the game show into a low key pride parade

unless there's more, then it's their marketing dept not doing due diligence rather than anything to do with the game

>>727668291
what's the difference between ctan and ctan shartd

>>727666369
>DOW4
Who the FUCK is the dev? Not Relic. King art? Never played their shit.

Hype penalty for GDW.

Hype penalty for ratio of GDW shit to gay pride shit in this pic.
>>727667874

>Primarchs.
LOL. You might as well have the Emperor himself on the field.

Crap until proven otherwise, but low confidence. Any of you fucks played
>Iron Harvest
>Zoo animal park 2

>>727668414
One's a whole star god and the other is a splinter of one the Necrons imprisoned. Sometimes they use them as power sources for doomsday weapons.

>>727668383
>then it's their marketing dept not doing due diligence rather than anything to do with the game
When you see rot, expect a disease. I for one am going to be skeptical and the moment I see a tranny on screen I won't buy the game.

>>727668545
that's pretty forgiving. if i see a nigger i won't buy. of course if they put a tranny in it's off the table, but are there even trannies in warhammer? you'd need some real mental gymnastics to stuff one in somehow

>>727668415
>Iron Harvest
Interesting setting and idea, unit pathing is a hot bag of ass as is unit selection. Sometimes they get stuck on things they really shouldn't and the cover mechanic for infantry is sometimes a burden because a big fuck off mech will just smash through it anyway, because quite a few of the mechs are seemingly purpose built to blender defensive infantry positions. Take Company of Heroes but add steam punk mecha, and that's about it.

>>727668624
meant on the imperium side. of course you'd find it among slaanesh etc

>>727668536
>doomsday weapons

Every weapon in 40K is a doomsday weapon.

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>>727668624
>but are there even trannies in warhammer? you'd need some real mental gymnastics to stuff one in somehow
GW has already retconned the lore to add more ugly women to Spess Mehrens. Its a slippery slope.

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>>727666369
2 was fine, it just wasn't an rts from people expecting one. So far I really don't care about 4.

>>727668735
jesus christ how horrifying

>>727666369
2 was good, it just lacked in base building

2 was a MOBA

>>727669105
You're thinking 3

>>727669105
that was 3

>>727669105
3 was the MOBA, 2 was a RTS/ARPG hybrid.

I remember playing DOW2 on hard difficulty, it just bloated the enemy's HP pools into tens of thousands. Retribution had a feature that let you use regular replenishable squads instead of heroes, but they were weaker in every way and made the game barely playable.

>>727668629
I should try it

>>727666369
Pretty optimistic

>>727667904
then how would the imperium go toe to toe with the other factions Primarch-tier characters?

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>>727667913
additional cadavres

>>727666369
don't really care, they don't make good games anymore

>>727667583
>plastic looking visuals
have you looked at 4? cause its way way worse

>>727669686
Relic isn't making 4

>>727667583
2s visuals still hold up

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>>727667904
Central plot always revolved around whatever hijinks Abaddon is on to now. GW just forgot that Empire is an Empire and you can have countless other epic battles and stories with new characters on other ends of the galaxy. Sabbat Crusade is a cool fake history book about an epic war campaign and Space Marines only play a supportive role in it. Its primarily fought by Imperial Guard and Chaos cultists who started mimicking Imperial Guard military structures.

>>727666369
Total War 40k will save 40k vidya. Just kidding, it's going to be dogshit, I'm not that delusional.

I just came to say how much I dislike primaris

How can there be a 4 when there was no 3.

>Looks like DoW1 style
good start
>Iron Harvest devs
IH was rough, but it had good ideas
>Primarch capeshittery
Fuck. I know 40k becoming even shittier HH is GW's goal, but still, fuck off.

All in all, mite b cool, if the other factions can do things that aren't marine wanking. Also, goddamn what happened to Relic? Did CoH3 get any better?

>>727668383
>>727668545
>unless there's more, then it's their marketing dept not doing due diligence rather than anything to do with the game
It should be the opposite. If far left fucks aren't raging about it, it should be considered tainted with chaos. You cannot do justice to the setting without pissing off the far left. If I see nothing, I won't consider it.

Space Marine 2 had a full court press raging after the dev company president for being a chud and even that was cutting it closer than I like, and I know my respected other players rejected it entirely.

Be in touch with your inner librarian or inquisitor. You know this to be true.

>>727669930
3 must have been swallowed by the warp in transit.

>>727668629
>Take Company of Heroes but add steam punk mecha, and that's about it.
Did they actuallly execute it correctly, like COH? COH is peak relic. Not being able to select fucking units properly sounds like a pretty fucking serious problem.

>>727666369
Two was still good, it just wasn't really what people wanted out of a dawn of war game after the first one.

>>727666393
2 fucking sucked. It didn't feel like I was in a war, more like a battle. It would be cool if they went all out with the company of heroes influence, but when you're limited to a handful of squads, then they can fuck off with that.

>>727666369
I only played the first game. I know about sequels from when I was young.

>>727667070
NTA but I thought the skirmish mode in DoW 2 was pretty rubbish, it's obviously trying to be Company of Heroes 40k which feels like it should be good but there's something fundamentally off about it and I can't put my finger on it. The single player campaigns however were all really good, even if they were so different from the first game that they arguably weren't even in the same genre.

>>727670134
>multiculti jeet marine 2
>chud
it had more browns that Space Marine 1

I am once again here to shill for Unification mod

>>727670504
works with Enhanced edition?

>>727670556
There's a version of the mod for each version of the game

>>727670407
Precisely. Numerous gaming press outlets wrote hit pieces against the president, accusing him of being a racist chud in regards to SM2. Even with grandma jeet cadian, and the rainbow racial ultramarines.

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>>727670504
It add ~30 factions and more units to existing ones and tons of options like disabling air units if that what you hate about Soulstorm.
3 of the upcoming factions are Catachans, Elysians and another faction of Mechanicus

>>727670764
don't forget the tranny writer

is battlefleet gothic worth playing?
>>727666942
horus heresy is good.
dan abnett stuff is generally pretty high quality.
also the codexes themselves have a lot of writing/worldbuilding thats worth reading through

>>727670134
>It should be the opposite. If far left fucks aren't raging about it, it should be considered tainted with chaos.
how would you know?
are you constantly checking what shitlibs say?

even the rule to search "gamename sexist/racist/etc" doesn't work most of the time anymore because they keep fabricating new notation.
and in addition to this, there's a deeper and more meaningful point: i'd rather cut interacting with shitblibs out of my life entirely. even if the accuracy is lower, creating deductions from primary source evidence will, in the long run, be the winning tactic.

>>727670849
>is battlefleet gothic worth playing?
i watched the youtube video of it, it was pretty good.

>>727670764
serves him well for being shitlib appeaser

>>727670764
>>727670968
is there a chud mod for it yet

>>727670968
It's quite possibly a requirement from GDW. Regardless, anyone LEFT of him can be reasonably written off entirely.

>>727666369
2 is good and better

>>727670903
Missed the point. Anon said "assume it's ok, and just the marketing department unless you see otherwise". I'm saying "assume it's fucked until you see otherwise" If you've successfuilly filtered all the crazy leftypol shit and gaming press losers, then that's fine too and doesn't change my approach..

>>727671245
You and I are enemies.
I sent you the location.

>necron
>admech
people who like this factions are 14 year old homos

Give me Eldar, Dark Eldar, Chaos and Tyranids you fag.

>>727671451
Unification mod has all of those plus more

>>727671451
>Eldar, Dark Eldar, Chaos and Tyranids
>homo elfs, sadist homo elfs, homo heretics and scaly homo bait
Fuck you, give me Tau and bolter bitches

>>727666369
DoW2 is fine as its own thing. It's a letdown for anyone who wanted a refined DoW1, but that is understandable.

>>727667970
>wasn't that nigga one of the strongest Primarchs?

Among the very best in martial prowess. During the GC and Heresy he was more ruthless but pragmatic.

>>727671451
>people who like this factions are 14 year old homos
>proceeds to list favorite factions that only a 14 year old would find cool

>>727671491
UA shits all over your garbo mod tho

>>727671781
Not a fan of a win button when you get enough resources.

>>727666369
I was hesitant for a while cause it was a new dev. But seeing Games Workshop trying to force Dark Angels into it now has made me lose all interest.
It just screams lack of confidence.

>>727671697
Unification mod has 2 flavours of Tau and Bolter Bitches. Gray Knights and Emperor Children has them too if you pick a certain research branch

just feels like the dark angels&primarch are DLC bait

>>727671760
14 year old heterosexuals

>>727671697
Tau is otherwise kinda lame but I liked playing them in DoW 1 thanks to their unique spotting mechanic. Tau standard Fire Warrior squad has stupidly long range and good weapons but you needed a stealth dude or the recon dude to be a fog of war-spotter for them.

>>727671956
different chapters/waaaghs/dynasties/cults with their own units/tactics would be good post-launch content
provided it doesn't take the place of expansion factions

>>727671328
that was my post. it seems there was some confusion. let me lay it out for you
>look at the primary source information (actions of the game producers)
>and not at the secondary source information (reactions of shills)
>and as a bonus you don't have to look at shills

>marketing
in the first place, it was not that i was "assuming it's okay". i simply have some idea of how it works when you hire shills. specifically, for this variety of shill you do not have a fine-grained control. if i were to make assumptions, and i don't recommend you do this, then, i would assume that the gay flag was put up at the last moment to cover advertisements for other companies that the shill would otherwise have been advertising in the background. and that they didn't have anything else.

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>>727672136
They should just bring the concept of Generals: Zero Hour to Dawn of War. Faction is the same but subfactions armies are remixed with some units removed and new units introduced, with stats and cost remixes as well.

In Zero Hour multiplayer US factions are top tier because of rocket infantry humwee abuse. But the Super Weapon general is bottom tier because her early game is shit in an extremely early game-heavy meta. That flips around in team matches where teammate can help her through early game and in mid to late game she's top tier again.

>>727671880
Why? Everyone gets it or an equivalent of it. It allows to break up stalemate games and puts players on a timer, forcing them to take action to prevent the win button from getting activated. Not like it's easy to get to either, if you allowed your opponent sit there for 50 minutes not building any units you probably probably deserve to lose.

>>727671183
hiring trannies is on him though

>>727672561
all the vtubers and streamers are trannies tho

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Who's is lions greatest rival that he will duel next so I can snoyface when it happens

>>727671981
>chaos
>heterosexuals
constanza.jpg

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>>727666369
I think I'll just keep playing the first part, as I have done for the past 20 years since its release.
After all, over all these years, no one has not only made it better, but has not even bothered to simply copy it.

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>>727666369
Love DoW1 and DoW2
Had no interest in 3
DoW4 devs said DoW3 was the blueprint they'd follow on what NOT to do so I hope it turns out well.
>>727672824
Curze, but he's dead.

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>>727673217
God I hated having turtlerfags in my team in multiplayer. Most of them played IG, always assured don't worry he know what he's doing, inevitably gets crushed by opposition and when you look back at their score their win rate is 10% or lower with hundreds of matches played. DoW turrets are supporting fire or scout killers at best, they're not Tesla coils.

>>727666393
If it had the faction veriety of 1 it would be but it was litterally just a demo

>>727670134
It's "like" CoH, but not exactly that. The mechanized units the factions get really do shift how the cover mechanics work as, again, they are seemingly hard counters to defensive positions. So instead of finding a good area to set up and get firing lines on an enemy or vice versa you sort of use infantry like you would in any other rts, with the mechs leading ahead to soak fire while they attack/move up. Certain mechs are better at this thanks to being melee or CQC based, and others are fire support but at the end of the day you have to keep moving your units and the games unit selection is kind of shitty so it doesn't always feel good to play.

>>727666369
No. Apart of the fact that this game has filthy Primaris Marines, I have no hope for DoW4. Especially due to the fact that the people making it are the ones who did Iron Harvest + the very looks are not making me want to even wishlist it.
>>727667583
>cringy, plastic looking visuals
Are you high? DoW3 and 4 could be accused of this, but 2 has none of it.

There will be no TRUE, unrestricted base building. Maps are 2small and corridor-like for it to happen

Even single animation I've seen in gameplay of this game looks mediocre at best and fucking awful at worst. Even in the fucking cinematic trailer. Zero hope.

>>727676851
>Even
*Every

>>727668981
is this his head or hammer flying off ?

>>727672395
CnC 3/Kane's Wrath did this idea and it was great. You got your Black Hand if you like fire and fire accessories, Steel Talons (RULE!) for all the TibSun era walkers and high tech shit for GDI, and the Scrin can be even more obnoxious shit heads. It's still a shame that CnC died with 4, but it was good while it lasted.

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>>727666369
if you saw this and heard it was the Iron Harvest devs and didn't immediately write it off as worthless shovelware you are what's wrong with the industry

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People are complaining about how the Mark X space marine look but, for me this is the worst fucking thing that happen

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>>727669881
This.
It's all I had to see to know that I won't need to even consider it. It's kind of liberating.

>>727666393
I unironically agree.

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>>727677506
I still can't believe they killed boxnoughts off. Best boys, they were.

>>727666393
Id like to replay it, i hated it because it wasnt rts base building but maybe it wasnt so bad

>>727677506
You know i really didn't like the new designs for a long time. Like a long time, and somehow I've kinda come around to them

>>727677506
Souless

>>727677786
That's the reason? Not the Games for Windows Live that is still in there?

>>727677506
I don't like the ridiculous nippleguns

I _think_ I finished DOW1 base game but I can't remember
Every level I just stayed in my base until I could build up to unit cap with all the mahreens upgraded with a mix of the best weapons
Are the expansions good? I only care about campaigns, not skirmish

>>727666369
It has base building which is nice. Idk why we need 2 imperial factions would have preferred tyranids or Chaos instead of admech

>>727677506
Everything Primaris is soulless

>>727677171
Why so salty? Looks pret

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>>727677506
Bing bing wahoooo
Imma gonna win!

>>727678261
Winter Assault is shorter in campaign missions (because it's broken up between Order/Disorder campaigns) but is generally harder than the base campaign.
Dark Crusade introduced the Risk style map that lets you play every race as a campaign. Favorite of all the DoW1 xpacs because of it, a little rough in some areas as a lot of the maps in the campaign are just skirmish maps being re-used so most of the work in scripted missions went to the stronghold maps.
Soulstorm has some of the best mods but a shittier version of the Risk map Dark Crusade had. Kind of buggy, and the new races are a mixed bag. SoB are great, Deldar are kind of crap.

Overall a good mix of additional stuff to play.

>>727678210
>he doesn't like Austin Powers styled tiddie guns
Ngmi baby

>>727678453
Oh a RISK style campaign is a great idea, I liked that in Rise of Nations and obviously DOW is a great fit for it

>>727666393
100%

It's really a case of 'good game but changed the gameplay so much that fans of the 1st irrationally hate it'

DoW2 did everything right except GFWL, bad launch support, relic devs having a stick up their ass and being incapable of talking to their fanbase like humans, and relic fucking up balance and bug patches so badly that it was left up to the fanbase to clean up and fix the game in the years after. Really, the game's failings all came from the utter incompetence of relic's post-launch support and retarded dev team and not from the actual game mechanics or gameplay.

>>727678453
>demake still hasn't fixed the performance on UA yet
I hate it

>>727666758
Why? 1's was already was simplistic and boring as fuck.
And why in 40k? Why do SM need a fucking funfair on ground to function?

>>727678507
Iron harvest has both styles of campaigns. Might be we getting both a Blood ravens story campaign and a free to choose faction DC like campaign.

>>727678560
PvP performance isn't an issue. UA lags in skirmish matches because the AI scripts are way outdated and the way the game handles error reports is fucking retarded. They're working on it.

>>727666942
Here, let me help you: https://40k.gallery/polls/favorite-40k-author/

Pretty much anything by dan abnett is ok. Pretty much nothing by any other 40k author is work a damn (a couple exceptions as you'll find in the poll)
I've been trying to read the various sisters of battle novels out there and holy shit what a fucking slog. You can tell that danie ware doesn't even write half "her own" novels, they're clearly being ghostwritten by someone else and her name is getting slapped on top.

>>727670504
>Shartication
Leave

I'm being cautiously optimistic about it. Devs are going on a bit too hard on sync kills being back (Relic was fucking retarded for removing them) and I hate having to wait for an expansion to get Chaos again, but I'm really happy to see the cogboys are in.

>>727666369
2 wasn't dogshit you contrarian mongoloid.

>devs say the campaign is split between blood ravens and dark angels

so the blood ravens are literally being sidelined in their own game series for primarchwank, got it

>>727668629
>unit pathing is a hot bag of ass as is unit selection
Sounds like DoW1

>>727667112
>>727667175
>>727667262
>>727667868
Space Marines in general are a massive problem with 40k writing and storytelling. They aren't even human, they don't have human experiences, they're basically biological war machines that have zero connection to humanity beyond their exterior superficial appearance being man-shaped. They are so biologically different from humans they ought to be classified as xenos or mutants.

And they have become the poster child of 40k, with marvel capeshit writing focusing on primarch superheroes. It's easy to see why the libtard mouthbreathers are being drawn to 40k like moths to a flame. They've sucked the life out of every other franchise and IP that had characters like this, and now they're ready to do it again to 40k.

>MP
Nobody cares about it. Even during DOW1 barely anyone played multi since you were kicked for miniscule shit like lack of stars or 'no X race'

>>727667874
I had hope for this game but now I think it's DOA

>>727667874
Yeah ok I'm either skipping this game entirely or pirating it. They just lost a sale for having that flag in their office.

I'm not joking.

>>727678832
Gotta sell those models.
Should've been obvious when they were shoe-horning Admech into DOW4.

>>727678858
>And they have become
Always have been*

>>727669881
Are primaris marines basically james wokeslop deciding to add completely pointless and retarded lore to a model refresh?

>>727667913
FUCK WARHAMMER 40000!!!!!

>>727678864
I only played with friends in LAN, playing with randos online kinda sucked

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>>727668624
>>727668545

and here are the closeted gays in denial talking about transsexuality again out of absolute nowhere.

also you guys dont even know warhammer. and that one dumbass of you doesn't even know the trailer. basically you guys know jack shit about the whole franchise it seems.

more company of heroes when

>>727679064
Hopefully never

>>727678915
oh it was obvious when I saw everything was primaris designs with 0 variation

>>727678965
Yes, not even as a joke. The entirety of the opening for 8th edition was how some Arch-Magos had secretly been creating super Space Marines and would only release them at the behest of Guilliman...who suddenly got a shot of plot contrivance to be revived during the (yet again) retconned 13th Black Crusade. Cadia gets destroyed in a blink and you'll miss it section of a book. It's something like 12-13 pages when it happens, and it's skipped over about as quickly to focus on how the brand new legions of Primaris show up to fight all across the Imperium to push back Abaddons forces while the trueborn Marines are struggling due to attrition or near extinction. It's some baby back bullshit to justify larger, more expensive models.

>>727679081
cunt

>>727666369
realistically I'll play through the story and drop it like DoW3. but hopefully last stand is good enough to launch it again. and if im hoping for a miracle then multiplayer would be fun to play against ai

>>727666393
I fucking wish Last Stand had more gear and characters. It's so fucking boring, especially now, when you can just pick OP shit like Tau or Necron, or DLC items.

>>727678915
>Gotta sell those models.
Every time

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>Take away Space Marine and give it to some Eastern Ukranians
>Sequel does so well that Titus is becoming a main character in the tabletop
>Take away Dawn of War and it to the Krauts
>Blood Ravens end up having to play second fiddle to Dark Angels in their own series.
>Nu-Devs shill Primarchs as well
I guess the original devs are nothing more than a Relic of the past.

>>727673945
It's the mentality that old RTS caters to. Absolute mouth breathing retards. The people who are actually capable of sapient thought and experience have shifted over to tactics-style games over the years, because those focus on what you do with your units, instead of rote memorization of builds, select all+m1, and turtling in an ineffective and pointless autismfort.

The people who like starcraft style RTS are a blight; I liked starcraft when it came out too, but it's obvious the genre needed to move forward from the shallow mechanics of that era and these people refuse to accept that.

>>727666393
Singleplayer and Last stand definitely were

I want a sisters of battle game but asking for anything at all in the current climate of woke fetishizing retards is like making a monkeys paw wish. Especially for something like sisters of battle who absolutely will not and cannot be done correctly by any mainstream company in existence today.

>>727679286
heh

>>727673945
It's like playing Brits in CoH1. But at least they had Kangaroos that murdered everything

>>727679491
Boltgun 2 is SoB

>>727679064
After 3? It's clear that lelic cannot produce anything other than a steaming pile of dogshit. The franchise is dead enough.

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>>727679491
Argenta was done well enough
>but you can't fuck her
Time wasted that could be prayer for the emperor of mankind.

>>727679624
I heard it got better after they fucked off from Sega.

>>727679624
they might accidentally make a good game though

>>727678546
DoW2 would had been good if it was more like world in conflict which perfected no base rts design and then fucked off.

>>727679615
I might give it a look but boomer shooters aren't really my cup of tea and what I've seen of Boltgun 1 hasn't enthralled me. It's not a game problem, it's just that I'm not that interested in boomer shooters.

>>727679653
Argenta was... ok - fairly stiff as a character and her motivations feel hollow, but the more I play through rogue trader the more I can see in the nitty gritty details that the dev team fundamentally misunderstands 40k's setting and that comes through in argenta here and there as well, but then games workshop does an equally terrible job in their own lore for their own setting.

>>727679286
Those Eastern Ukrainians are moronic devs though

The krauts' only fault is that they only had one mid RTS on their belt and that was enough for Goys Workslop to give the Dawn of War IP for them

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>there will never be a 40k Battlefront ripoff in your lifetime
The pain continues to persist

>>727667874
>Her is your ultra masculine game development team in 2025 bro

>>727680287
You had Eternal Crusade :^)

>>727680287
There was once a proposal to make a combined arms MMOFPS in the style of Planetside 2. It fell through because that kind of game is a colossal undertaking for a niche audience, but god I wish it happened.

>>727680561
something about 40K that make it unable to have good game despite having all the materials

>>727680661
planetside 2's netcode is made of faeries and pixie dust, nobody could replicate it and especially not with effective anti-cheat

frankly with the influx of 3rd worlders on the internet, there's not much point to competitive FPS anymore as it all just gets flooded with cheaters

>>727680131
>moronic devs
Yet they made a good and fun game. I don't really care about anything beyond that.

>>727680119
>the dev team fundamentally misunderstands 40k's setting
Huh? RT is probably the best representation of the 40k setting beyond the bounds of marineslop.

>>727680119
It took me a couple of tries to get into Boltgun but it ended up being a good time. The damage resistance thing took a bit of getting used to and nurglings were fucking annoying but the gunplay carried it, especially once I got the heavy bolter.

>>727679615
I thought it was an assassin?

did games workshop order these new devs to add the dark angels?
blood ravens even with angelos are going to play second fiddle to the more popular dark angels with their primarch, even if he's final mission use only

>>727680990
Angelos isn't in it because he was deemed too OP.
Not only are Blood Ravens getting side-lined, they've had their cast shrunk as well

>>727681097
>Angelos isn't in it because he was deemed too OP.
>add Lion El'Johnson

>>727681136
Yes it's stupid and should tell you all you need to know about the direction the game is going.

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>>727680990
>did GW order these devs to add dark angels
yes

They added the Dark Angels because Kronus will confirm that the Blood Ravens were Fallen and that Lion will all forgive them and become a totally separate successor chapter with their own quirks.

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I lost all interest when they announced the Lion would be in it
40k has gotten far too small for my liking

>>727678898
Ditto

>show Phobos Cyrus dying in the trailer
>Blood Ravens playing reserve against Dark Angels
and dropped

>>727677023
baseball cap

>Dark Angels showing up
cringe
>Dark Angels showing up because of the Blood Ravens rumoured founding chapter
kino

>>727670504
>>727670786
I wish there was a mod that adds more of the factions to the campain

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I am worried, in the game footage, it looked like the maps were just a series of corridors and small square/rectangular rooms instead of open battlegrounds like in the original.

All they have to do is make the first game but with better graphics and modern Units. That's it.

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>>727683034
it tracks given how utterly fucking soulless the tabletop game has become

>>727666393
fpbp

>>727666369
The remaster for the first one is all i needed. I'm good for another 20 years.

>>727683413
40k has suffered hard from marvelization

I know full on AoE style base building doesn’t really make sense for 40k but I still want it. I want to build bases and gather resources so I can make little blue men.

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>>727683847
I miss the old art, that wasn't as obviously just copy paste jobs of various art assets. The guy that made all those Admech art that pretty much defined how the cult looked was great. This shit was the 4th ed double page art in the SM codex. Looking at it now only shows how much things have changed.

>>727666369
All 3D RTS, except warcraft 3, are trash.

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Daily reminder that Tau have been added to DoW2 Elite Mod now as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBn2w_zwvR0&
The Hammerheads are really well done

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>Each faction will have their own campaign instead of a mixed singular campaign like DOW3.
>Except you Blood Ravens, you gotta share with the Dark Angels.
I shiggy diggy

>>727678576
In all honesty Space Marines could've been implemented differently into DoW.

Instead having separate buildings...have them have a few buildings.
A massive Fortress Monastery and a few buildings like Turrets, Beacons, Power Generators and Listening Posts.

The Fortress Monastery would be modular and have slots for stuff like barracks, motor pool, shrine, on-planet librarium and so on. Units would always come in drop pods and dropped where the rally point is. The Beacons would increase the range where you can place the rally point.

And yeah, there are times when Space Marines do need on-planet facilities to wage war. Not everything is done on ships only.

>>727684634
Nobody cares about that PvP slop. Hell, your shitty mod has such horrendous reputation that even Steam forums shit on it

Your shitty post was so bad that 'some' nignog had to bump on P10.

>>727686610
So essentially DoW2 base.
Except I would still supplement it with Barge management menu, allowing for some World in Conflict construction and shipping units on battlefield.

>>727686638
You are so much up your ass you build a base there.

>>727667874
Already knew the devs were like this when I saw Primaris
This franchise is dead.

>>727686610
Have them be like Hierarchy from Universe at War, aka just drop everything from the orbit and with only a single 'main' building

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>>727677506
There's worse shit than that. I wanted to kill myself when I saw the baby carriers in the trailers

>>727688154
Kek wtf is this? Holy shit, woke truly killed 40k

>>727688154
heavy stubbers are the last imperium weapon that I expected to see space marines commandeer, they are much more of an imperial guard weapon

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>>727688154
Is there really such a shortage of dead space marines they need to do this bullshit?

>>727688372
>>727688441
it's worse than you think. this thing is supposed to be a "stealth" unit

>>727666602
While I did come to appreciate DoW2, I was really disappointed when it was first released.

>>727688496
Jesus, wtf are those trannies at GW smoking? Seriously, trannies sre completely disconnected with reality. It's undoubtedly a mental illness.

>>727688616
I also disliked it in beta.
Then returned to it in full with Retribution and ended liking it more than 1.

>>727688154
Thee helmet on pilot looks more like boomer marine than primaris

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>>727688837
It is primaris, but to spare any undeserved fairness to primarvelis, their abomination isn't the originator of this concept. The Gay Knights had a baby carrier earlier. Difference is when the nemesis came out, everyone made fun of it. But I haven't heard a peep of complaints about the primarvelis warsuit, so I guess it's just fine now?

>>727687131
Yeah. But you could still build more Fortress Monasteries.
Also forgot to add that said Fortress Monasteries would be also upgraded with build-in turrets and the number and quality of them would depend on the tier and researches (Bolter Turrets at first, only to get more of them per tier and with further research have some of them turn into Missile and Plasma Turrets).
The final research upgrades and Fortress Upgrade Tier would have the Fortress Monastery swap the Bolters for Avenger Gattling Bolters, Plasma Cannons for Plasma Destroyers, Missile Launchers for Ironstorm Missile Pods...and then end it up with a Void Shield and a Conversion Eradicator.

>>727687378
Yep. That's how the Fortress Monastery should work as.

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>>727666369
Not playing until they add Nids or at least GSC.

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>>727690120
Invictor warsuit is just the Dread with open cockpit for some reason. It at least doesn't look like a big dude carrying a smaller dude in front
Dreadknight's actual successor is this one

Primarishit is gay and automatically rules out any chance of it being good.

Give it to me straight guys, the final missions of the game will be against Chaos again, right?

>>727688154
why not put the space marine inside without the space marine suit?

The surface area of armor would be smaller, and you wouldn't need all the complex life support stuff or mechanical muscle enhancement, it would just be an extra slab of armor around the cockpit and that would be cheaper overall while also freeing the space marine armor to be worn by another space marine, maximizing the effective usage of your resources.

I don't understand why this is so purposefully retarded in design
it doesn't even look cool

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>>727690672
>>727690120
>>727688154
Here's how to do a big robot infantry but aesthetically so it looks good

>>727666369
same desu, 2 and 3 were just so shit i dont really care

>>727666393
lolno it was a dumbed down pile of shit for low IQ retards

>>727670786
sounds like shit

>>727667904
Someone pointed out to me that this is just the Marvelification of 40K and they are making the primarchs into superheroes that are all going to join together like the Avengers. They are going all in on ensloppifying the setting for more mass appeal to secondaries.

>>727680738
Goys wankshop cannot handle the idea of a videogame being better than their shitty tabletop game

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>>727691516
One of the few things DoW3 didn't fuck up

>>727677171
the thing that stands out the most to me from this is that the hotkeys are all fucked up. these days the only reason to not have grid hotkeys as default is because you're so out of touch with the genre that you don't understand why everyone else has switched to it, or because you have your head so far up your ass that you think you can reinvent the wheel.

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Just make the large scale imperial guard video game we all want already.

>>727678453
>Deldar are kind of crap.
Reaver Jetbike rush spam earned me some juicy death threats online. Lot of Dark Eldar units are busted simply because mobility in video games in general is usually the most busted stat. Scourges are also great, good against most enemy types and with jump ability on top.

>>727673945
I loved spamming IG squads with grenade launchers. Good luck moving any infantry units around lmao

>>727694880
>Sniper Elite game with Tanith First and Only where you infiltrate and cause havoc behind enemy lines of a Chaos infested hive city

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>>727679306
The issue was more that IG are defensive faction, you can garrison most IG buildings by just putting IG squads inside and they can shoot their flashlights from safety. What people fail to realize is you're not supposed to just build one base and one line of defence, instead you're supposed to make a whole bunker network of defensive positions that aggressively push towards enemy base. Thats because not only IG buildings allow your dudes to shoot from inside, they are also Tunnel Networks like GLA in Generals. You can transport your dudes all around the map almost as fast as Eldar webgates.

In Generals multiplayer GLA builds as many Tunnel Networks as humanly possible, in late game the entire map could be filled with Tunnel Networks. The reason is because now he can move his army anywhere on the map instantly and the opponent is forced to play an endless game of whack-a-mole with the tunnels.

>>727696302
>entire game about nut shots on nurgle cultists
>but where are the nuts?

>>727696342
That's the sad reality of defensive factions. People just don't know how good they can have it on the offense with some forward basing.

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>>727696342
nice argument, however

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I dont trust nu-GW to do anything well. Age of Sigmar was shit, The Old World looks shit, the Primaris are shit, the progressing timeline is shit