Which crpg should I play first?bg3, divinity os 2, pathfinder, or pillars of eternity 2 deadfire
>>727673042If you know nothing about CRPGs those are all overwhelming games. I would at least skip Pathfinder.
>>727673042Skip Divinity Original Sin 2 unless you've played the original Divinity games (Divinity Original Sin is not apart of those games, its set 1000s of years before hand).DOS2 is a semi-sequel to Divinity, Divine Divinity, Beyond Divinity and Divinity Dragon Knight Saga.It also shits all over the pc by turning Lucian evil.
>>727673042Baldur's Gate 3 has the best production values, companions, romance options, and player choice. So I recommend starting with that one.WoTR is the best power fantasy (epic scale, high stakes, beautiful ost) but the gameplay is fairy difficult because it follows an ivory tower design philosophy. I can't comment on Divinity II because I only played it for about an hour, but I did like what I saw. Never played Sopranos so I can't comment on it
>>727673314I strongly disagree. Most people that played Divinity Original Sin 2 never played the original game, and they understood the story just fine. You do not need to play 4+ games to understand a self contained story with an entirely new cast of characters. Recurring characters don't mean that you need to consume literally every previous game in the franchise. That's preposterous in my opinion.
Divinity 2BG3skip dreadfire and wotr both are dogshit reading no voice acting overly convoluted dogshit
>>727673042BG3
>>727673042sopranos is a real shit sandwich
>>727673042D:OS2 has the hardest so if you play that BG3 will be a breeze.
>>727675123And all those dickheads are the ones that call DOS2 divinity 2. Secondaries should kts. Theyre a plague on fandoms.
>bought pathfinder after enjoying multiple playthroughs of bg3>instantly couldnt get into iteverything just feels too deep 4 me, takes too long to understand all the systems and classes and subclasses and every companions abilitiesi wish there was a retard mode that trivialized the class systems and levelling up or made it like an arpgsucks cos everyone says how amazing the game is too
BG1 and BG2
>>727675515Pathfinder is bad, if you want a more classic RPG feel, play BG1 and 2.
>>727675515Kek. I wish i could say owlcat stopped dping thta but no, they trippled down and every single crpg they make is overwhelming dogshit because they assume youre familiar with the pen+paper/board game already.
>Still no sales report>Still no counter to picrel >Still no gameplay webms>Still a major flop>Still caused the studio to be sold off to china>Still desperately shilled >Still not a single woke success storyLmao
>>727675515don't feel bad, It's for autistic boomers who like to spend hours reading descriptionslook at pic related, ask yourself, could this ability be worded/described better? yes obviously, but the autist boomers want you to read all this verbal diarrhea so they can feel smartthere's a reason the pathfinder games aren't popular, they want you devote 50 hours "learning" the game before you get to have fun
>>727675160>skip dreadfire and wotrDisagree. I fucking love WoTR. The story while simplistic is super satisfying, the music is great, and the power fantasy elements are 10/10 and really make you feel like a walking godhttps://youtu.be/uITaghKWMMMhttps://youtu.be/On2w9VTPbB4https://youtu.be/eljvKzODgkk
>>727673042GABIGOOL
> Baldur's Slop 3huehuehue
>>727675515Just play on normal or even casual on your first one.The game has an ivory tower design, but once you understand it, it's not that bad.Some tips:>Early and midgame casters are for crowd control, not damage. Use spells like Sleep, Color Spray, Glitterdust, Grease, Sleep, Web, Create Pit etc. to stop enemies in tracks and prevent them from attacking your party>When making your character, give them a 19 in their primary stat. For strength based martials, this is STR. For dex based martials, this is DEX. For Clerics and Druids, this is WIS. For Sorcerers and other INT based casters, this is CHA. And for Wizards and other int based casters, this is INT>Buffs are OP. Don't be afraid to stack them>Spells like glitterdust may seem useless because they don't do anything flashy, but they're top tier. A blind enemy may still be able to attack you, but he loses his dex bonus to attack and ac (armor class) and he also takes a -2 to attack. I.E. don't be afraid to debuff your enemies with CC spells>Outflank and Improved Critical must go on every martial>Ambush unaware enemies with a charge. Charges will trigger a suprise round, which means your martials get a free attack before the enemy even reacts>Avoid trap feats that only give a +1/+2 to attack / ac / saving throws>Shield bash builds are a meme and are feat hungry as hell (unless you're a trickster, then they're gamebreakingly OP), so don't do them. >Every party should have a divine caster AND an arcane caster for their buffs. >Stack Attack of Opportunities. Attack of Oppertunities (AoO) give you more attacks per a round. So pick up Combat Reflexes so that you can do more of them each AoOs each round. An easy way to trigger it is by rendering your enemies prone with grease. When they get up, they're vunerable, and all of your nearby melees can AoO them>You can coup de grace sleeping enemies for massive damage
>>727673314>It also shits all over the pc by turning Lucian evilWhy do they do this. It makes me sad.
>>727675515Another reason to hate wotr and it's autistic fanbasehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYbOgmZmjKc&>New Player guide>2 hours long>Retard spends 20 minutes explaining that Hard/Unfair are well, Hard and Unfair.>"You shouldn't play on Hard/Unfair as a new player because they're meant for autists who have already beaten the game and know whats coming up. You should play on Normal/Easy as a New Player." I summarized what he said in 20 minutes in 5 seconds for you.I'm not even joking, these autists LOVE to just spew verbal/vocal diarrhea at you. Unless you really like reading for hours on end and theory crafting AVOID all owlcat/pathfinder games.
>>727676738Probably the same dev that wanted bestiality in BG3.
>>727673042dos1
>>727673042BG3 and DOS2 are great. Pathfinder is ok. Pillars is trash.
>>727673042The correct order would be to play BG3 (good babby's first CRPG), D:OS 2 (BG3 but better) and then Pathfinder: Kingmaker if you plan to play both Pathfinder games. Otherwise, go straight to Wrath of the Righteous because it's basically the same game as Kingmaker but with far more content and QoL.
>>727677704WotR has twin demon romances?
>>727675515I dropped Kingmaker in the tutorial because I did not understand anything and I couldn't even beat the first fight and the retards at Owlcat do not explain anything at all. After playing a few more CRPG which were more intuitive, I gave it another shot, took my time learning the system and now both Pathfinders are my favourite CRPGs. If you are in the same boat as I, who had never played D&D or other tabletop RPGs, you have to keep in mind that we are not the audience of these games but once they click for you, they are great experiences and being able to truly make you want rather than following some railroaded archetype feels great.If you don't care about learning these systems, you can play Rogue Trader which is far more simple but still good.
>>727677704This is bad advice. Playing BG3 first would make the Pathfinder games feel barebones.
>>727678121No, because BG3 is turn based and the Pathfinders games are RtwP, and the appeal of both games is quite different, at least in my opinion.
>>727673042Play D:OS, D:OS2, BG3, Rogue Trader and maybe Solasta if you feel like it, everything else in this genre is legit trash.
>>727678161Pathfinders have a turn-based option lad
>>727678161Pathfinder only appeals to autistic spergs who value spreadsheets of +1s and +2s over gameplay.
>>727678219Yeah and it sucks ass.
I beat kingmaket but couldn't get into wotr not sure why.I always drop it before finishing the city and getting to the crusade part
>>727678308Yes, so? That's clearly not the same target as BG3.
>>727673042>Sopranos road to respect
>>727678308>the cRPG genre only appeals to people who enjoy this genre of video game!no shit retard
>>727673042noneI literally just built an rtx5090 rig and all i played so far was C:DDA because that's the only game that's fun and the only open world that's actually open except maybe Minecraft
>>727677740No, it has a purified demon you can impregnate instead
>>727673042If you want good graphics and accessability go for BG3, else if you're ready to spend 2 hours just learning how to play go pathfinder. Id skip pillars completely.Alternatively, just start with rogue trader if you want something sci fi
>>727677704>because it's basically the same gameKingmaker's story is completely different. It's also like 70-100 hours long so it's unbelievably disingenuous to call it the same game, when the narrative and setting are completely different
>>727675515It a hard game to get into and its a god damn commitment if you want to learn it. If you want to take baby steps, try rogue trader, its a lot easier and its really hard to fuck up even on harder difficulties
>>727675515it's autistic but not in a fun way let's put it this way. I think when the player has too much choice you just end up overwhelmed
>>727679175BG3 is definitely the best game there. DOS 2 is very good, because it was made by the same people. As for Owlcat games, I don't like the huge walls of text. Compare BG3 dialogue to what you get in Pathfinder or Rogue Trader and there's a reason why the former is the most popular.
>>727679371I probably should have said foremost, considering I named three games.
>>727679371I dont find BG3 writing all that exciting and thats the most important part for me in an rpg. Its the reason why i wouldnt particularly recommend dos2, the writing is atrocious in that one. Its all grimdark while your party acts like a bunch of clowns
>>727677740>WotR has twin demon romances?No, that's Kingmaker.Kingmaker romances:>Valerie, the autistic knightfu that is tsundere about her beauty and femininity >Octavia, the ex slave elf wizard who is really slutty. She's infamous because she's in an open relationship with an orc, but you can convince her to leave the orc for you>Nyrissa, one of the main villains who you can fix and turn into your righteous queen>Tiefling Twins, two tieflings who you can convince to enter a polygamous relationship with you -- one is kind and noble, and the other is pragmatic and morally bankrupt WoTR Romances>Arueshale, a redeemed succubus who is struggling to fight her demonic urges and become a true hero -- you can fix her, or convince her to give in to her bestial instincts and become a monster again>Galfrey - another knightfu who is super proud and charismatic but also secretly jealous of your success and how quickly you're eclipsing her in the crusades>Camilla, a serial killer and a sadist who you can't fix. You can enter a bonnie and clyde relationship with her, tho>Wendu, an insane demon worshipper and cannibal who believes in darwinism, you can fix her and turn her neutral, or you can abuse her and enter a master and slave bsdm style relationship with her where she completely and utterly submits to you
>>727679518>I dont find BG3 writing all that excitingYou didn't? I think Ketheric was an amazing villain, and Act 3 was surprisingly dark. Also, I didn't see any of the reveals coming. Like The Absolute being an elder brain or The Dream Guardian being a mind flayer.
>>727679693>Act 3 was surprisingly dark.Act 1 was suprisingly dark too once i explored it more.>inb4 someone makes about Act 2 being the darkest cus of the Shar curse
>>727679779>Act 1 was suprisingly dark too once i explored it more.What do you mean by that? To me, the game was a Dark Comedy until Act 3 and there's a literal death cult that wants to kill everyone. That's the plot of most stories, but you meet so many kids in BG3 that it feels weird this time. Like, you'll come across a kid whose parents were just killed. Actually, that happens more than once. Yenna and also the kid crying near the corpses.
>>727675879for a DnD-style game, i appreciate descriptions of this nature over a shorthand tooltip like>barbarian enters a rage>-2 armor class>+2 hit die>exhaustion: 1 minthe verbose description you posted feels like another human being is imparting the knowledge to you, which makes the game feel more table-toppy (which is sort of the point of these games)
>>727678563till you find out that 95% of "options" in pathfinder are shit and everyone uses the same 20 feats and builds
>>727679557I love wendu.It's really hard to justify taking her along, or even keeping her alive, playing as a good character RP wise, but she's great.
>>727679964Yep, BG3 is a dark comedy in some bits. I see people bring up the comedy parts and missing on the dark tho. For example the ogre sex scene, people see only the funny parts of it. But if you explore a bit and pay attention you'll realize that they ate a bunch of people before they went to fucking. Same as the 3 male ogers who were eating someone(don't remember who it was) in the ruined school.
>>727679693Dunno what to tell you anon, its just felt like a generic adventure, there were some good parts, but most of it is forgettable. Honestly i liked act 2 the most just for its atmosphere. Companion dialogue was just horny banter.At the very least, they're improving as writers, since BG3 was a massive improvement over dos2
>>727680515>its just felt like a generic adventureYou are an imbecile if you think this. Play the game again. Play it again and again and you will realize why i am calling you an imbecile right now.
>>727680631No, i dont think i will. The game is fun, but not groundbreaking. People are just mesmerized by the production values
>>727673042play good games instead of porn visual novels
>>727680515>its just felt like a generic adventureMaybe your life is just that exciting that you find the story of Baldur's Gate 3 boring. I think it's so good that I replay the game just to see it again and be in that world. 4chan is a generic adventure, so I don't understand how you're okay with this website but not BG3, which couldn't be too offensive or it'd affect sales. Like, you can't just rape people in BG3, because that's wrong or whatever.
>>727673042BG3 will be smoothest as a beginner. I do not recommend playing Deadfire without playing Pillars first. WotR is good but will feel overwhelming. DOS2 is a good followup if you enjoy Larian's style in BG3.
>>727680709>not groundbreakingthe amount of options to tackle solve quest and dialogue specific options available depending on class is groundbreaking
>>727679371The reason why the former is most popular is because every dialogue is a cutscene with voice-acting.
>>727681059>The reason why the former is most popular is because every dialogue is a cutscene with voice-acting.That's not the reason. If you fully voiced Wrath of the Righteous or Rogue Trader, people will be yapping huge amounts. Have you not played the games, or you disagree with the description "walls of text"?
>>727681154Like, I could tell everyone in this thread to read The Bible, and you'll understand how it feels for normal people to play an Owlcat game. It's the same feeling.
>>727673042Pathfinder is actual dogshit, I can't believe I got memed into playing it.
>>727681056Faggots that play the game on easy never get to experiment with the gameplay systems and mostly go in a straight line. This is why there are people on /v/ who don't realize how many options you have when you play BG3. The only other similar game is Divinity Original Sin 2.
>>727681154>>727681213Yes, these games werent made for adhd zoomers like you. Now go look at pretty graphics
>>727678308>>727680252What WotR has is a huge swathe of options to find your favorite. Yes, Oracle Angel is the easy metagame way. But people largely copy because they don't know what to do at first and just watch a youtube video. There are many, many effective options with barely any online chatter.
>>727681154yes BG3 was written in mind that every dialogue will be voice-acted and will be a cutscene which is why the dialogue in BG3 has a lot less flair to it.
>>727681327I can tell you're a very intelligent and patient person. I'm filtering this thread now. 90% of the board is filtered (automatically) at all times. I did not have a second thread open. Enjoy each other's company.
>>727681364>huge swathe of optionsHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*inhales*OHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHORiddle me this, how does the gameplay differ between a basic bitch sword and board fighter, 2h axe barbarian, and a dual-wielding rogue?
>>727681374wotr has a lot of pointless dumps describing irrelevant shit, BG1/2 had no voice over and didnt have that issue cause they werent obsessed with garbage writing.
>>727681520>gameplayWotR fag talking about gameplay has to be ironic, you cant even steal in that game as a rogue
>>727676089>this sates powerfantasyfagIm happy you enjoy it, but its still shit game, even kingmaker is at least one or two levels above from what wotro is.I wanted to dig dos2 because I like lizards but meta was so shitty. Maybe I should power through couple more hours but the enemy ai that behaved like a fanatic terrorist bombers (ambushes with 1-2 enemy that simply runned into the center of your group to do some stupid bomb-like attack and get killed) + armor meta made me do a 180 and never pick up the game again.
>>727679257The GAME part of both games is the same shit but with less/more content.
>>727681520Each class is not distinct. For martials it's usually a matter of "are you tanking or not?", "are you mounted or not?", "Do you have reach?", and "What's your additional utility?" I don't think I'd make a "Basic bitch sword and board fighter" but you could probably do a solid SnS Mutation Warrior. Personally I'd instead do a SnS Deliverer Slayer if I wanted a shield guy. Essentially giving you a dual-wielding rogue who can tank. "Dual wielding rogue" means probably means you're going more glass cannon, but it's wise even if you're going in after your tank to have some defense. Vivisectionist is an easy way to do that. Knife Master/Vivi for example. More offense with a little defense. Really though play wise you're just waiting for your tank to engage first and then you're stabbing. Barbs kinda suck, but you can slap on a reach weapon and do stuff. Just going Mad Dog and being a pet class is probably your best option. Now you can homogenize this if you build for a Keen Weapon, Outflank Deathball and cast Guarded Hearth, your best Heroism, etc. and just right click the enemy. I will fully admit you can optimize the fun out of the game if you so choose.
>>727682929You haven't said a single word about gameplay, it's just a bunch theorycrafting shit.I'll answer myself then: there's zero gameplay difference, you just watch your character autoattack shit to death.
>>727683207I did mention gameplay, but you're being so reductive you ignored it. The differences in the very limited selection you chose will mostly come down to how you position in a fight. And for your example you are of course deliberately trying to choose martials with as few other abilties as possible, and ignoring the rest of the party. As I said, if you WANT to deliberately homogenize everything the game will let you.
>>727684093>the very limited selection you choseLOLIt quite literally doesn't matter what martials I choose, the "gameplay" of every single one of them consists of: 1) get close to the enemy 2) autoattack. Ranged martials are the same, except you don't even have to get close. Casters are the only ones with some semblance of variety, but even with those your choices boil down to: DC, rays, heal/buffbot.>"are you tanking or not?", "are you mounted or not?", "Do you have reach?", and "What's your additional utility?"None of these change how your character plays in any meaningful way, nor does grappling and other combat maneuver shit.These games start and end at the character creation screen, there's nothing else to them.
>>727685810are you talking about wotr here? because bg3 combat is quite a bit more involved thanks to vision cones being a thing, shove, throw and height levels mechanic.
>>727685810That's what you get for playing on easy.
>>727673042First 2 acts in BG3 are better than all of those games but the disappointing and cut third act makes the overall experience worse than Pathfinder WOTR. Divinity 2 just like BG3 is a Larian special: polish the first chapter of the game and then slowly make it worse and worse as the whole story unveils itself. PoE2 is mediocre, worse than the first game.
>>727675515Just look at the classes/mythic powers - think what power fantasy you wanna play as and then copy one of 100 builds available online. It's what I do with every single crpg out there because they all suck at explaining what each choice allows you to pick in the future and whether it blocks you from any other choices. Pathfinder is outrageously bad at this because you can't even respec anything about your starting class so you're absolutely fucked if you suddenly discover something that looks really fun to play as. I never feel bad about coping builds from others, literally 99% of people do it from MMORPGs to autism spreadsheet simulators. The last game I even bothered theory crafting with was Wastelands 3
>>727673042If you're new to CRPGs go with Rogue Trader instead.
>>727687058that is barely a RPG
>>727687151You're barely sentient.
>>727675240DOS2 is in no way harder than WotR.
>>727676089if you want power fantasy BG1 + BG2 is the gold standart, going from punching rats to killing gods.
>>727673042>Companions comment on your dialogue choices
>>727686373Yes, retard, I am talking about owlshat's pathfinder.>>727686460Difficulty doesn't change the gameplay either, it's just more number crunching. It actually plays against your "huge swathe of options" nonsense, because the higher the difficulty the more restricted you are in your options.
Open world/total freedom of choice RPGs have lots of flaws compared to turn based ports of tabletop rpgs but what I really love about them in comparison is the fact that they often give you total freedom to build or/and respec your character in whatever way you desire. Games like Gothic or Witcher throw you into the world with no obligations when it comes to your character progression. You usually have enough time to fuck around and see how to the world interacts with you to decide your playstyle. It's even more based if the game allows for respecs.Meanwhile, tabletop crpgs do the absolute nigger shit where you pick a class or talent that seems to fit your fantasy or is OP on paper (ie: inflict burn/bleed and further talents that boost them) and then they fuck you over when it turns out all late game enemies are immune to bleeds or elemental damage. No refunds.
>>727687904Games with trap choices that extreme and no recourse to make changes are pretty rare.
>>727687520>admits he has never played on a higher difficulty than easy
>>727687520why are you so assblasted for no reason, 95% of martial gameplay is the same between those games and all the extra fuckery Larian added often makes the game worse because it trivializes combat, game is full of stupid cheese or straight up exploits like teleporting while carrying enemies. AI is not capable to effectively use any of it so it just massive one sided advantage for human player. Its not like its needed for 99% of encounters can be won by brute force, game is probably the easiest RPG i have ever played.
>>727688686Difficulty setting doesn't change how your character plays. All it does is restrict level up choices and encourage buff stacking, i.e. number crunching. You cannot prove me wrong.
>425k reviews 96%>17k reviews 82%It's amazing how many people shill pathfinder.It's for an extremely small subset of autists that have no choice but to say it's the best crpg in the world and that everyone else is missing out because of the sunk cost fallacy.
>>727673042>sopranos crpgThis is an untapped goldmine
>>727689407You're an illiterate retard who couldn't figure out that I was talking about owlshat's pathfinder this entire time.>but LarianIrrelevant, I'm arguing against the "huge swathe of options" that pathfinder allegedly has (it doesn't).
>>727687405The hard part about WOTR is not investing in any trap classes or skills, there's no thought to any combat encounters
>>727689443That's all cope because you've never played it above easy.You just assume it's like that because you've never actually played other difficulties.
>>727689724your options are to move, use potion/buff and use skill or ability its exactly the same as bg3 martial combat you feral low iq nigger
>>727689709I'm not sure more grounded turn based GTA is going to sell that well.
>>727689724>till you find out that 95% of "options" in pathfinder are shit and everyone uses the same 20 feats and buildsPathfinder has a huge swathe of options for character builds and for yes, the spreadsheet nerd aspect of the game. It does not have "a huge swathe of options" explicitly for gameplay verbs. At best it has a very limited set that get recombined in different ways. But that's emblematic of Pathfinder 1e/3.5 D&D in general. It even extends to tabletop it's like the difference between those games and how OSR games treat interacting with the world.
>>727690227I don't just assume, I know. A martial character doesn't magically cease being an autoattack bot if you change the difficulty, it'll just need more buffs to overcome mobs with ridiculous statsheets.>>727690313I've already figured out that you're illiterate, no need to keep giving me hints about your condition.
>>727691204i accept your concession, nigger
>>727691204Keep coping retard. You've already exposed yourself as a easy difficult nigger, you can't go back from that now.
