/v/ lied to me, its good, fun even
>>727674038It's a great game and the best SMT game.
>>727674757
you did pick the obviously correct choice, righ?
Any idea how to get better antialiasing?
>>727674038There's not a single interesting main story boss until the very end of the game.
>>727674038>got the disc for 18 bucks>play through the canon of creation>was fun, story meh>take a brake>return to play ng+ canon of vengeance>story is actually good now, not great, but goodI wonder what other games should get a second attempt treatment?I do like FFⅫ, but the story oh boy, kinda goes for ⅫI too.
>>727674038Yeah, really good rpg. Unfortunately has a cancerous nosalgia ridden fanbase who miss the days when nobody sane enjoyed their games
>>727674038You always make this thread fujo
The Demon Haunt was a great addition
>>727677741I don't know how to do it in a 3d world, but I kinda miss dungeons with poison and warps and getting fuck over by turning the wrong way and shit.
>>727674038But /v/ was the one that told me it was on sale
>>727676664Chaos reps are cutest when they're almost retarded.
>>727680507Almost?
>>727674038I doubt ill play this game more than once, which should i go with vanilla or vengeance?
>>727676664stop liking evil women, start liking nice girls
>>727681394if you play both go vanilla into vengeanceif youre sure youll only play it once go vengeance
>>727681394Vengeance.
>>727678128You can just place damaging tiles wherever you need, Xenoblade does it
>>727674038>/v/ lied to meseething nocturnetrannies lied to me*FTFY
ALICE SEX
I don't know who came up with Amanozako's affinities but holy fuck what were you thinking
>>727674757this but only because i am a gooner
For me, it's Nuwa.
>>727674038I just picked up my copy on deep discount. Are magic builds actually fun? I’m doing one anyway since I did a phys build for vanilla.
>>727683453Just remember that you wont be a master of elements since there are not enough slots for all magic types + some passives.So if you go magic you pretty much specialize in 1-2 types before swapping over to almighty/nahobino exclusive skills.But magic is perfectly fun and fine in VV.
>>727683453it think magic is more fun since you need to adapt your build more often than with phys
>>727683453Magic is alright, you'd probably want to boost every element to +3 but then push +9 to ice or almighty only because those two have best endgame skills.
>>727676664How do I make them choose each other?
>>727684987Ice is obviously the best magic element for Bino but I had most fun making +9 across the board.
>play SMTV on release>enjoy it despite all its flaws>SMT:V comes out>play it and get bored midway throughAtlus shot themselves in the foot again with there whole release a better version bullshit
>>727688401Did you really enjoy it if you didn't enjoy playing the superior version a second time?
>>727676664I wanted to get Yoko because of her Senjougagara va but she's so retarded I couldn't possibly go with any of her plans. God please make SMT VIs chaos semen demon at least have a modest level if intelligence, even one standard IQ deviation beneath the average is enough.
I installed the femc mod.
>>727687185based good and evil enjoyer
>>727674038Just finished it yesterday. 6 playthroughs was a pain with how unbelievably tedious the last 2 dungeons are but the game's great. Easily one of my favourite JRPGs ever. Gonna play Nocturne for the first time next
>>727689609Not happening because Tsukuyomi is the first and only intelligent chaos rep. It will take a half dozen to chaos dumbassee to get back to Tsukuyomi level.
>>727674038It's too difficult. The Bosses are hard as hell, and it takes forever to whittle down their health-bars. Did the developers even playtest the game at all and check if the numbers checks out, cuz it sure as hell doesn't feel like they did?I'm playing on normal, and every boss fight so far has been really sweaty, where I'm barely clinging to life and have to heal and buff constantly just to stay alive.
>>727688401I mean, SMTVV probably just wouldn't exist. It's not like they were "holding back" for it. SMTV came from a troubled development cycle and they had to release something after so long. Then they thought "Nocturne inspiration!" would work to cover the lack of story. A lot of VV's improvement was clearly done in reaction to V's impressions.In spite of that though, even VV's new story kind of struggles and runs out of material in the last Da'at before you get to the actual end-game since it clearly didn't have a full game budget.
>>727690497>have to heal and buff constantly just to stay aliveSounds like it's working as intented.
>>727690114>Gonna play Nocturne for the first time nextbased
>>727689697good girl
>>727690497then play on casual
>>727690497im playing on hard and i havent experienced this, what i have though is getting 1 shotted out of nowhere but with the way the save system works its hardly an issue
>>727689697You played the game the way it was meant to be played.
>>727690573>Then they thought "Nocturne inspiration!" would work to cover the lack of story.The game was based off Nocturne from the moment it was first created.
No one claimed vengeance was bad.The problem was always base smt v sucks ass
>>727676664She's so gorgeous. She became my eternal wife in Vengeance route
>>727692476>pick alignment>you marry your alignment repYeah I remember marrying the chaos hero in smt1.
>>727692249Yeah, Nocturne influences were there, but early interviews with Kazuyuki Yamai indicated it'd have a much stronger focus on real world, dealing with bullying, wars, economic anxiety and other issues.You can kind of see whatever they made for the "bullying" arc remains in the final game, but after that the "real" world is basically abandoned (in the original SMTV).My point is that they attempt to use the whole "Nocturne homage" as the excuse for lack of story, when that apparently wasn't the plan originally.
>>727692669>stronger focus on real world, dealing with bullying, wars, economic anxiety and other issuesAll of that was in V. I wouldn't say the Nocturne references overshadowed any of this. Pay attention to the demons and their issues. Every single one is just a real world problem.
>>727692476based kind wife haver
Why the heck was this guy the law rep in the original game when he looked so evil about it?
>>727693343law is the most evil.
>>727674038>liedWe literally said it was RPG of the year when released, your fault for believing obvious seething autists.
>>727693343Dark LawAlso angel pussy.
>>727693294Thanks. She's part of my 3x3 favorite waifus
>>727692615What was Amaterasu, her intended soulmate, supposed to look like anyway?
>>727693561>more than 1 waifuanon...
>>727689609tao wasnt very smart either, only difference is she knew when she is being retarded instead of acting like a genius
>>727693643>faggot starts talking about gay shitLilith, the Chaos Heroine, was swooning over the Hero's cock the whole nine yards. You end up with your mom in SMT II's Neutral as well.
>>727693343Because writing-wise Law ending has basically no problems in V, so they attempted to compensate it by presentation and the narrator outright complaining about your path being stagnant (since it just restored the world to how it was before rather than creating something new - but then he doesn't say the same thing to True Neutral...).In VV, Tao's path probably ended up being portrayed so genuinely nice because they originally planned to make it more neutral leaning (there's even a different epilogue written in the game's data about them creating a world filled with conflict but hoping one day they'd bring peace to it), but then decided to go Law in the end to make it contrast more with Yoko (not only in the main plot, you also get the law end-game sidequests for Tao, just like when you go with Ichiro/Abdiel in Creation, while Yoko gets the Chaos ones shared with Yuzuru/Tsukuyomi).
>>727693343You do not understand what you speak of. Dazai is the most powerful, most handsome, and most noble of representatives, who fully embodies God's will.
>>727692976Nah. You can draw some parallels. But terrorism, fear of nuclear weapons, unemployment? And the bullying part was obviously much more direct, before the entire real world aspect is basically thrown away by the narrative. It's obvious there was supposed to be more.
>>727694301Meant for >>727692615But I think Amaterasu would have ended up looking similarly to the goddess form of Tao. She does look sort of like a Proto-fiend in that way.
last played this a long time ago.question about base game endgame, is this guy it basically?his gimmick of dealing +5% damage based on amount of dead party members in stock makes him do retard damage.i think he got me through maskado, i don't think i killed demi fiend yet.
>>727693478All the allignment reps represent the full axisTao-Light LawDazai/Abdiel-Dark LawNuwa-Light NeutralAogami-True NeutralYakumo-Dark BeutralAtsuta/Tsukuyomi- Light ChaosYoko-Dark Chaos
>>727695140Him and Arahabaki are considered the strongest meta demons, yes.
>>727694301None of what you mentioned matters. I'm just making fun of retards that think CoV was a pick your waifu game in any way other than saying "yeah I agree with you". The whole Nahobino set up was never upended by the new story. Everyone is still partnered with their intended partner even more so in the new story because Aogami comes back no matter what you do.
>>727693343Because he's right
>>727695684Literally seething
>>727693343gotta look fresh as a rep
>>727694648>But terrorism, fear of nuclear weapons, unemployment?He listed random examples of the concept in 2017 before develop even started.
>>727696019How it telling you the truth seething?
>>727674038yay
>>727674038the most disappointing thing about this game is the the severe lack of nsfw content on the internet
>>727699882Every mainline game is like this.
>>727700391i played persona before smt so ive been spoiled
I wish they didn't run out of budget in the last quarter of the game. Law is somewhat passable, but Chaos is such an absolute hackjob it's not even funny.
>>727700391>mainlinei suffer as a dds fag
>>727700515They made bizarre decisions regarding the chaos end which could be fixed if they did some kind of epilogue dlc but they likely won't. >stuck with Tao until the end and get Yoko thrown at you for only the final 3 bosses>Tiamat is reused>nothing within the ending scenes itself explain what world you're even making after blowing up the current one>end scene is convoluted and confusing>Koshimizu and Aogami get no screen time explaining why they would support such a violent decision (especially Aogami)The worst part is that there is an explanation for the world you're making somewhat but it's scattered around between characters and worst of all the most detailed explanation is behind Yoko's max giftbox line in the demon haunt and it's also mistranslated. It's a fucking mess. This goes past trying to be subtle. It's slapped together poorly. There is no other way to look at it.
>>727693343
>>727701478Tbh I just wish they'd done something with Tao, Mastema and the monk on par with Tehom rather than Mastema floating around like a side quest boss
>>727694648>>727692669TRUTH!They definitely gave us trailers to kind of hint at this, but it all takes a back seat to the gameplay and story plot line.However, gameplay for story isn't a bad tradeoff
>>727701730Tao and Goko fighting you is the least of that ending's problems though. I know people wanted to kick the shit out of Goko at least but there is so much more wrong that it almost doesn't matter.
>>727693561you have like 3 11/10 girls and the rest are absolute trash so your taste really confuses me anon
>>727674038/v/ has shit taste, listen to the board less often
>>727693343He's the best, angel pussy does things to a MF
You hate cars and yet you are not puncturing their tires... weird!
>>727674038>physical build >spam almighty attack >magical build>spam almighty attack woohoo...
>>727694416>Because writing-wise Law ending has basically no problems in VPlaying through the game showed you the world's current problems. Picking Dazai's end is about changing none of those problem and keeping everything exactly as it was. How is that "no problems"?
>>727702683>CoC>just wanted everyone to stop bullying his retarded angel waifu>CoV>evil piece of shit that bosses around his waifu, also a cat fuckerThe slander against him wasn't fair.
>>727674038I played one on PS2. Thought it was garbage.
The gameplay was always good, it's just the story and characters that suck. The re-release makes it a bit better, but it's still not particularly good.
>>727674038What does Vengeance even add? I was over half way through the original version and quit after they announced this new version.
>>727706586Different story route that has several new bosses, a different area you go to for the third part of the overworld, and a new midgame dungeon (still lame unfortunately) that replaces the demon castleAnd expanded the existing maps with more side paths and hidden areas.If you play the old route a lot of the new demons and the map changes are still available but it's the same story as before.
>>727706586vengeance route has a new plot that's more character focused than creation. 2 new superbosses, new skills unique to the nahobino or demons, all demons have a personal passive, new magatsuhi skills, new demons, new area 3 that's exclusive to vengeance.
>>727706586There's a new character in the main cast who adds a bit more of a counter to the Chaos vs. Law elements.The Qadistu are in it, who aren't super interesting from a narrative point of view, but are really fun boss fights and have cool designs.One of the four main story areas is entirely new.
When this game came out everybody freaked out because they thought there was a bunch of gay shit lmao. Is there even any gay characters
>>727707108There's a fuckton of fujobaiting but you can hold a girl's hand in one of the new endings in Vengeance
>>727703223I mean, you're just restoring the real world with no changes in Neutral too, but that doesn't get called out. Even in law you still do away with the Mandala system, which forces the world to fall into ruin eventually to lead to the next world, which was at the core of tons of the problems with the SMTV world.
>>727707108It's two separate elements, that said, none of them really go that hard unless you -want- to feel pandered by that stuff.The main story and especially a couple of side-quests push in a stronger way that Aogami is Susano-o. One of the side-quests ends up paralleling the protagonist with Kushinada-hime (Susano-o's wife) as people Susano-o cares about a lot. That said, you don't get an actual scene or interaction with Aogami about this. It's just a single line from Kushinada-hime herself.There is the new system "demon haunts" where you can interact with demons in your party, and it adds tons of unique interactions with Aogami as you advance through the story. It's mostly talking about the plot and recent events, but they do add later on how he came to genuinely care for the protagonist, not just following his mission and such. You're also really incentivized to check Aogami's conversations due to getting stat boosts for the Nahobino.
>>727674038I just got the Steelbook for my switch. Do I start with Creation or Vengace? I remember hearing there's some substancial unlocks for New Game +
>>727693343Law Chaos is more about Will of God v Survival of the Fittest rather than good or bad, which is really fucking dumb because you end with absolute retarded law reps and chaos reps that are retarded in different ways. This fanchise has that funny issue of being about choice but ending up with two joke choices and Neutrality being the real deal and less stupid one
>>727701978Which are the 3 11/10 girls to you?
>>727691957I watched videos on tube from people playing on hard, and it looks like it's complete RNG in some boss fights where it boils down to just being lucky with dodges. That is NOT good difficulty design, as the player should always be in control. Being randomly one-shot should not be a thing, and to make matters worse, this is one of those games where the lead character dies, the whole party wipes (god I hate that shit so much!!) and they really need to stop that.
>>727707108There is 0. It's a classic "fujobait" game.
>>727677874Mermaid... ToT
>>727711163Are you sure you weren't watching low level challenge runs or retards? I floored most of my second playthrough on hard. I think I only procced Endure twice before the optional super bosses. My party was very offensively oriented too no dedicated support or anything like that.
>>727674038>/v/ lied to mepretty sure this was like in the top 5 for /v/ GOTY last year
>>727674038So when I play it should I just do the new route or the old oneEveryone I know who tries to play both gets burned out. Atlus needs to stop the re-release shit.
>>727690497>>727711163It's literally the easiest SMT with press turn.The only bullshit are red enemies one-shotting you but bosses are predictable and they literally tell you when they're going to use their special attack.
>>727702946>str build>spam light attackwonder if they could bullshit a mag-scaled phys/pierce damage skill
>>727706030In CoV's defense, Mastema brain fucked him hard. Dazai going off the walls in that route makes sense considering Mastema is a cunt.
>>727711796alice love, i want to worship her butt
>>727674038Demeter best girl.
>>727711796If you plan on playing both routes you may want to start with CoC but if you're only going to do one CoV is so much better it's not even funny
>>727676664I thought it would be a binary choice at the end like the original gameSo I answered honestly and ended up chaos when I wanted to be law
>>727706417Wtf is that
>>727707108Anyone saying fujobait are the people who were "freaking out" just in denial now if it wasn't already obvious. That's because CoV confirmed the MC is in love with Aogami in one quest despite the game having two heroine law and chaos reps to choose from at the end and you have to bind a contract with them via hand holding (It's how they guide you to the throne). Also said line is literally just one line of dialog but it explains why he flips the fuck out in the revenge arc to the point where demons call him psychotic and out for blood. Because you're basically playing as a gay moody teenager who never cared about anyone but himself his whole life but then gets his first crush and loses him just as he's about to get closer to him. You also get dialog like pic related.
>>727711710 That's the thing, hard isn’t some insurmountable death march unless you’re running some jank builds or refusing to use buffs/debuffs. The AI telegraphs big hits, Magatsuhi Charge literally flashes red lights all over the place, and if your MC is getting one-shot, that’s a team comp or gear issue, not the game’s fault. People just want to facetank everything like it’s Persona and then cry RNG when they get punished. SMT's all about prep and knowing enemy affinities, not mashing attack and hoping the boss trips over itself.
>>727714927I miss his schizo phase. Why did they make it so short? Also purple form objectively looks 10x better.
>>727707338>I mean, you're just restoring the real world with no changes in Neutral tooTrue neutral? Demons being removed made a big difference.
>>727676664I like how Tao ended up getting tired of Yoko's shit despite being the nice girl
>>727674038I got stuck trying to beat the Demifiend on Hard and dropped it because I'm not playing a second time to grind for stats.
>>727716202>I got stuck trying to beat the Demifiend on HardSame>playing a second time to grind for stats.I did that, it doesnt take long if you skip cut scenes and dont try to get all the items. Still couldn't beat him.
>>727715750I think everyone was expecting the new form to last longer than it did.
SMT6 when?
>>727717594lol
>>727717690
Sex with demon womenAnd Tao
>>727717748See you in another 7-8 years.
>>727717748atlus owes us 2 etrians first. piss off with your imbecile series
Hariti sex
>>727692476>wifeShe's Naho/Susanoo's sister
>>727721008Tell that to Izanami and Izanagi
>>727717594>>727717748>>727718123It might not take that long. We haven't see most of Vengeance's staff in credits of other games yet. For example, director Shigeo Komori just has "Special Thanks" in the Raidou Remaster. Same goes to most writers like Yoh Haduki and Yuki Ueno.>>727718157But, yeah, I guess a lot of V/VV's staff came from the Etrian team. So it's a matter of what gets announced eventually.
>>727721501I just hope they've finally learnt their lesson and we won't see another rerelease situation. I would like my game to be fully complete on release.
>played this on switch>want to play the pc version>don't have the urge to grind and do all the quests againi knew I should have held out when they "leaked" it
