What went wrong?
4chan will never understand, but pokemon has quality control>b-b-but I don't like x!!!!the worst pokemon game is still 8/10 in actual rating, not to mention the anime and other media like go and such keeping the series afloat. Now compare it to digimon (series was mismanaged from the start, they just got lucky once in a while) and yokai watch (milked dry to death)
>>727678441dokev will be the next pokemon
>>727678441Palworld do what Yokaidont
>>727678441No fuckable yokai
>>727678631>but pokemon has quality control
>>727678441Too many games too fast and unironically too japanese to be successful in the west but at least I can thanks Yokai Watch for MHS existing.
post the webm
>>727678441Simple.It was too Pokemon-like. If they went a different path and made it more than Pokemon back then, something like how Palworld is now, then Yo-kai Watch wouldn't be marginalized as it is today.>>727678631>Pokemon>quality controlIs this some kind of oxymoron or what?
>>727678441Actual vision and values, beyond the blandest possible slop Pokemon is.
>>727678905>Is this some kind of oxymoron or what?the franchise is controlled by 3 entities, gamefreak, nintendo and creature inc
>>727678828
>>727679197So where is the quality control then?
>>727678441They tried to have a go at Pokemon during its DS/early 3DS golden age, turned out the suits at TPC/GF shat themselves and self-destructed themselves by trying to copy Shitkai Bitch
>>727679218>nip humor
>>727679218?
>>727679218The anime was fun
>>727679197WrongIt's Gamefreak (mainline video games), The Pokemon Company (Anime, movies, etc) and Creatures inc. (Merch and toys)Nintendo owns 1/3 of each
>>727678631>4chan will never understand, but pokemon has quality controlYou right, I don't understand. What kind of fucking "quality control" does it have?Please, elaborate.
the creature designs don't appeal to human men
>>727678631>pokemon has quality control
>>727678631>but pokemon has quality controlnow THIS is what I call a shitpost
>>727679218Can somebody put this in context?Like I get the joke. But I dont get how this is supposed to like be a thing that would happen?
>>727678631>>727678905Literally neither of you dumb fucks has played Yo-kai Watch and it shows.>>727678774This is the correct answer.>Too Japanese to be successful in the WestWhy do you fuckers keep lying about this? No it fucking isn't, shut the fuck up. It's literally just that they fucked up the localization worse than anything before. ViZMedia, Disney, Hasbro, everyone is equally at fault for why it failed over here. If it had solid advertising and didn't try to deny the fact that it was Japanese, it would have done better.
>>727679197>nintendoNigga i wish lmao
>>727680069Really?
I hate Yokai watch for mindbreaking gamefreak into inserting fucking obnoxious companions into pokemon games
>>727678441It could never be the next Pokemon. A series that Japanese-centric had absolutely no chance at being marketable in the states. There's many little factors from gameplay to the name. But the biggest elephant in the room is Americans like badass and that just wasn't what the series was about. Its why there's so many oldtypes in Pokemon in the states, because new designs hace forsaken this in favor of designs meant to become a viral-meme. (Look at the new Megas)There is a reason Digimon is still kicking after 30 years of vidya that's raw aids. And that's because its a series that knows how to make badass monsters, as well as waifumon and cool /m/ approved knights. It's very nice and distinct variety. Maybe too distinct to become mass appeal but enough to make an impressionable niche. Which is something Yo-kai watch severely lacked.
>>727678752Wrong. You just haven't looked yet. Open your eyes, your heart, and your balls.
>>727678631
>>727678631This is your brain on GameFreak slop.
>>727680260Pedophile.
727678631FPWP not even (you) worthy.
>>727678441Too Japanese. Everything from the premise to the from doesn't work, and won't be understood or appreciated by anyone not Japanese. Anyone can understand "cool monsters", but "shinto ghosts" and ghosts based on Japanese folklore and urban legends will look and sound dumb to most people without a context. They should have focused solely on the domestic market, and ignored everything else.
>>727682817Sorry meant to quote >>727678631
>>727680548The entirety of the sun and moon generation was them being mind broken by yokai watch.
>>727684264and now the entirety of Gen 9 and probably Gen 10 will be spent being mindbroken by Palworld.
>>727684367Like how?More suing?
>>727684556That and probably trying to ripoff Ark in Gen 10.
>>727678441>beating pokemonlol join the clubI admire this mindset, especially since Pokemon has been awful for years, but it's simply impossible.
>>727678441the combat is very boring
Too Japanese. A lot of the stuff and humor is Alien and incomprehensible to anyone outside of Japan.
The real question is why wasn't Medabots a big international success?
man I still have the first two yo kai watch games and my 3ds, I remember watching the anime when I was still a kid.
All I know about Yokai Watch is that the localization was awful and that it had dogshit combat
>>727685397the only combat that I remember being "bullshit" was the boss fight in 2 against the old ladies where you had to kill both of them at the same time or else one would resurrect the other
>>727678631If any other company released the games pokeco does, they would go bankrupt.
Yokai Watch 4 is better than any Pokemon game, the series just didn't capture the zeitgeist, it will be a century before another Pokefever happens.
>>727679538>>727679218We found the answer; you can't actually put this show on around adults, or children for that matter.
>>727685173No (good) video gamesAnime sucked, the only people defending it do it out of nostalgia
>>727685495I didn't say bullshit, I said dogshitPokemon has the advantage of being turn based with a few decades of complexities added onto it.Yokai Watch 1's combat is borderline autobattler shit.
>>727685685Why?In my country this is on par with our average shows
>>727685173Most of the Medabot/Medarot games didn't make it out of Japan. Also, they were competing against the juggernaut that was Gen 3 Pokemon.
>>727684556Isn't it interesting how Pokemon ZA lets you move around in battle now, after 20 years of people asking? Conveniently after Palworld did it first?
>>727685783Pokemon never sexualized the kids, and any innuendo is treated in a very saccharine manner. It's always Brock being a buffoon or James being a buffoon, but never Ash. And Misty definitely never just straight up shook her ass for a joke.
>>727679218>>727679538Man, this shit's absolutely tame compared to the crap I grew up watching. Remember the shit they'd pull in Ren and Stimpy? Rocko's Modern Life? Cow and Chicken? Animaniacs? Ed, Edd, n Eddy? And people think this Japanese cartoon is somehow too morally loose for Western audiences? Feels like it took a LOT more for people to start getting up in arms over this shit back then.
>>727686047>So then I said, "Why can't you just ditch Brock, have Ash, have Misty, and then bring in a new boy? That would be switching up things instead of having a new girl." >He stated that they like to switch up the girls because it gives the boys some new eye candy every once in a while. He also said girls are more customizable and you can change their outfits, like when they are in their bathing suits (yes, he specifically said that). This is from an interview with Masamitsu Hidaka who directed the anime until the end of the Battle Frontier and was a storyboard artist until Black and White. So he is referring to Misty, May and Dawn here. So yes, the Pokemon anime did deliberately sexualise its characters.
>>727686047>Pokemon never sexualized the kids,Spoken like a true dubtard. This was banned in America btw.
>>727686448True>>727686047Wrong
>>727686590>This was banned in America btw.Thank you for proving my point. America is/was the access point to international success. The thread premise is "why wasn't Yokai Watch as successful as Pokemon?" And btw, Beauty and Sleazy are not the same thing. Yokai is Sleazy, old man perv jokes like cumming or shaking ass. Misty was always portrayed as beautiful. Can't expect a pron-destroyed mind to understand the difference though.
>>727685173F
>>727685173The good games are japan only
>>727678631>all the ass mad replies.Also digimon and yokai watch have dog shit ugly designs that don't make sense.>BUT HOT ANGEL LADY!Pokemon has better monster sluts and better human women.
>>727687812Furfag delusion
>>727678441unironically too Japanese
>>727678441It was for me
>>727678441Level-5 went mad and released like four of the fucking things back to back.
>>727685173Medabots and Beyblade were spectacular but came in an era were pokemon was truly at it's greatness. Pokemon indeed used to be good.Beyblade was phenomenal for some time since the sport translated well in real life but people were inventing dangerous Beyblades and selling them, making accidents happening and having it banned on schools. This killed the hobby Medabot games weren't that nice and ee couldn't have real Medabot stuff. I don't think it had toys too.On the other hand, Yu Gi Oh succeeded because it had an actual card game. Even fucking fake religious polemic made by jews couldn't kill YuGiOhHowever Pokemon had good games, good toys and even a good card game, aside from the good anime. There just has no space for competition. YuGiOh barely made it(plus it kept with quality shows while the other shows didn't)Medarots is cool as shit and I wish it was greater than it truly is nowadays.Also, some French douchebag tried to steal the Western trademark Medabots for himself and this made things harder for the Medarots company to expand in the west again duo legal clashes. Read the faggot ended up losing thoWish that gacha game was translated.
Nothing it was a successful ip that got like 5 games, i dont know why people act like it failed.
>>727689314Beyblade is still popular as fuck even outside Japan. Nothing killed its popularity. Beyblade has never had to worry about merch sale being low because that shit has been selling like hot cakes for decades now. Not to mention several dozen seasons of a recent anime. Its doing way better than something like Medabots.
>>727686448most people don't because apart from animaniacs these were all some of the least watched shows of that generation. Ed Edd n Eddy especially was loaded to the brim with innuendo and probably created dozens of footfags but it was basically already in rerun mode by the time the clinton era kicked off which is why no one really went after it back then and by the time it came back for those last couple seasons it was way more in line.
>>727690097Never saw a beyblade again since elementary school days. Never tried new anime after the original cast, even with the second show butchering the designs. Kai was fucking kino
So are the games worth playing?
>>727678441It appealed to a VERY specific demographic, that being young boys around 8-12. That’s kind of why it was a flash in the pan. The kids that got into Yokai Watch just grew out of it. Pokemon, despite its faults, does appeal to all demographics which is why people who grew up with Red/Blue played Diamond/Pearl in college on their DS. Palworld also has this too, at least with guys, as even kids like shooting shot with guns. Yokai Watch was just way to specific with who it was targeting.
>>7276904522 is a better 1 if that makes sense, and 3 is considered to be the best of the numbered games on 3DS.
>>727690438Yeah its still a pretty big franchise. I guess it helps when you have no other competition of the spinning tops genre. Even in that long period where it didn't have an anime for years in the late 2000's, they were still pushing out Beyblade merch because they were still selling. It didn't even need an anime to advertise the toyline. That's how popular its been.
>>727690452If you don't mind grindy RPGs with awful RNG, then yes.I don't think I could ever replay the first game since it lacks the much-needed QoL features of the later ones.3 is ridiculous in terms of sheer content.I play it from time to time and still bump into random shit that I wasn't aware of, such as a rythm minigame that only triggers around a certain time at a certain location.
>>727685696>No (good) video games
>>7276784414kids-tier localizationwestoids aren't familiar with yokai. they think that most of the monsters are original creations of the show
>>727685685>NOOOOOOO HOW DARE YOU HAVE HARMLESS HUMOR. I DON'T LIKE IT THEREFORE NO ONE SHOULD GET TO ENJOY ITholy shit imagine being this butthurt
>>727686047pokemon is the blandest franchise in existence. any traces of soul were surgically removed after season 2, when they scrubbed it clean of all things japanese, guns, real world references, etc.
>>727686590We saw all four of those down south. The only one that was never shown was the one that caused seizures.
>>727678441Focusing into shotas instead of lolis
>>727678441People always rush to blame the localization, but the first game was really popular with westerners, and in the other hand YKW had no staying power even in JapanThis comes down to two things>YKW games are unbelievably jewish. In order to fill out the medallium in 3, you need like 5 different games, and if you're Japanese, you need amiibos and you also need a bunch of friends that have the other versions of the game so that you and you need to meet up with them every day in order to grind your dailies in a single player game to say nothing of the medals you needed to buy for QR codes and shit>In the west the games took ages to get localized so they didn't capitalize on any hype and generate international success
>>727690097>beybladeI haven't seen a single toy in years. everything ended after the 2nd series here>>727697204wasn't ykw2 psychic specters the definitive edition with all the yokai?
>>727678774Stories 3 looks like what Pokemon games should look like considering how big Pokemon is
>>727678774>too japanese to be successfulNopeThe problem is that telling a urban story has generally not been properly done in any medium.Pokemon is also one of the few franchises where all parts of the franchise that is intentionally a medium is also medium that succeeds. Yokai watch has a very tame anime. Digimon has tame games. Meanwhile for Pokemon the anime is a complete banger, the games are insane, and the art pieces are good enough to generate sales.
>>727698606No. You needed digital copies of all three games to get all the yokai in 2 (each has an exclusive that you could only get with a digital copy). Even apart from those there were still some version exclusives PS didn't have, and IIRC you may have also needed the original game for something as well
>>727678441>New IP appears >Clickbaiter journo goes "is New IP going to kill Fucking huge well established IP"?>New IP does well but obviously doesn't kill Fucking huge well established IP>Retarded masses unironically go "new IP is a failure because didn't kill Fucking huge well established IP"
>>727689479If it didn't get toys at Mcdonalds in America it's a failure I guess. Which is kinda the thing said about all of Level 5's games even though they're well beloved and Level 5 is still releasing them to very positive acclaim
>>727678631>Pokemon has Quality controlMeme response aside, you are right. Pokemon puts out new games and generations once every couple of years as a carefully curated launch. Yokai milked itself dry so fast that even the people making it got tired of it. Digimon has such terrible quality control that barely even 20% of their games are worth playing, and even the good ones like time stranger is filled to the brim with day 1 DLC that costs more than the game itself.Pokemon has garbage graphics and poor optimization but they manage their hype and brand well, which is what I assume you were talking about.
>>727678631>the worst pokemon game is still 8/10 in actual ratingThat used to be debately true until LGPE
>>727678441In Japan>Trying to appeal to shotaconsIn America>Marketing it as "Ze Pokemayns Killa", with the same outdated 2000s localization practices, it didn't worked when Disney tried to localize Doraemon in the US like that in the mid 2010s, it didn't worked when SABAN tried to cash in the MMPR nostalgia with their Neo Saban era, and it REALLY didn't worked with this.
>>727679538>Prude naggin girl gets possessed by a perv yokai>VOICES BE MENTAL TROPE.everytime.........
>>727678441Too perverted for even ameritards too censore.
>Every product has to be consumed by every member of every bloodline in every country for 100's of years or it's not a success
>>727678441they made the game play itselfthey made the catching be randomized and not guaranteed with super low odds, so every yokai catch feels like throwing a regular pokeball at a legendarythat's about it really, the rest is greatit's just those 2 big glaring issues
>>727678774>>727699039The 2020's has been nothing but other series mogging the ever living shit out of Pokemon, I'm loving every minute of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h7s85-7jRA
>>7276904522, yes, especially Psychic Specters. 3 is a beefy game if you like Japan making fun of America (where they called the country BBQ) and the western versions are essentially a combination of every version of 3 japan got.
>>727678441Too autistic for America at the time, it would do well these days.
>>727678441It released on Nintendo and wasn't called Pokemon despite being significantly better.
>>727678631What kind of delusional nostalgia purgatory does your mind have to be in to think XY, SwSh or SV are 8/10s? If those games came out and didn't have the Pokemon brand behind them, they would be fucking crucified by everyone, they are so cheap and shitty that it's downright embarrassing.
>>727678441Level 5 had a good year, I hope they revive yokai watch, YW3 was top comfy.>muh holy mansion of whateverThat shit is not yokai watch.
>>727678441Yo-kai Watch games did well in every territory that didn't speak english as a first language, the only reason Yo-Kai Watch 3 was localized at all is because it would do well across EuropeAnd this isn't to say "the english localization is at fault", because all the euro localizations are basically the same as the english one.
>>727700283but anon don't you like exploring ONE city, who wants to explore a big interesting world anyways
>>727700976Localising the console game they already made would be a start.
>>727678441Nothing. Level 5 doesn't get any respect.Even less people cared about LBX.
>>727701768The movie crossover with Inuzuma Eleven was coolFran was a very hot villan
>>727700976Inazuma Elven Victory Road was so damn fun, the hub world for the game feels like a blueprint to a new Yo-kai Watch game too
>>727700283wife material
Needed more Mika
>>727678441What did they mean by this?
>>727681103DOWN DOWN TO GOBLIN TOWNDOWN DOWN TO GOBLIN TOWNDOWN DOWN TO GOBLIN TOOOOWN
>>727680353he's right look at the design of the monsters. too japanese. this is made for japanese people. they got too confident with Yakuza. we dont actually like super duper japanese shit. yakluza was ok because its somewhat realistic. people didn't even like all the weaboo "uh " "oh" "hm" shit in FF7 remake. it was sparse in advent children and fights were cool so people forgave.if they intended to get popular in the whole world why would they design overly japanese monsters like this? this is itno weirdo jap shit which is funny but at a distance, not i nan actuall world you want to feel nice inside. its just not appealing.
>>727678441>What went wrong?Honestly, tried the first one back in the day, and didn't play past the first boot up, so I guess that might explain it all, it's not really interesting of a setting.Have in mind that this game came up with the anime on a local tv channel here and it had huge fanfare around it, nowadays yokai watch games aren't even released in the west.
>>727703876You need to be 18+ to post here.
>>727699039I hate how they're trying to to turn the story into a melodramatic movie>>727699592stranger smashed all records and is a roaring success. the DS RPGs aren't bad. adventure, digital card battle, cyber sluts, and decode are more than worth playingyou've drank the journo kool-aid
>>727704356shills getting mad at the obvious truth, sad
>>727704619>stranger smashed all records and is a roaring success.That's utterly meaningless when the bar is so low.
>>727678774>>727700283It's a really neat example of a series growing with its audience in both art style and scope. But I really miss the style of MHS1.
>>727678441This is the one monster catcher I can't play. I just can't get into the battle system. Maybe if it was more in line with Pokemon, SMT, and DQM it would have done better.
>>727678441Level-5 tried to become its own publisher during the 2010s and failed, this caused them to lose a lot of money and also not release yokai watch 4 out of japan. Which is regretable.
>>727702628nice tits
>>727707473The battle system in 3 is drastically different from in 1 and 2.There is also yokai watch blasters, which is more of an ARPG than turn based.
>>727690452Play 2: Psychic Specters and 3. Both incredibly good games. 1 is interesting, but you can skip it because 2 is quite literally just more or less a remake of 1 with more meat to it.
>>727678441reminder YW4 has a full english translation out and everyone should play it.https://gamebanana.com/mods/480884
>>727700976I literally just want 4. They can MTL it for all I care. I honestly think a more faithful localization would work in its favor anyway.
>>727708509Kino, I know what I'm playing next.
>>727678631Had, before it went 3D. It was a highly curated experience that's perfect for the mass of retarded manchildren and actual children.Now it's just coasting on brand recognition. Consumers don't want to change because all their friends still only know Pokemon. Successful marketing is more about these kind of social dynamics than necessarily producing a good product. All that matters is that it's smooth and streamlined so these retards don't get filtered.
>>727708963>before it went 3DDiscarded, Unovatard.
>>727678441because the monster designs sucked>>727678631>but pokemon has quality controllollmao
>>727708963Didn't the leaks basically say this game had a budget of like 10 million dollars, and Pokemon games always make like a 100 times the amount they have to work with? Is Game Freak really just that greedy?
>>727680353He is kinda right about the too japanese thing, but in the wrong way. This tries to be funny with jokes and gags that only exist in Japan. Look at this thing. Can you tell me what its gag is?
>>727685173The games were shit.
>>727690452At least try 3. That one revamped the combat.
>>727703876What makes a monster "overly japanese"? What does that even mean?
>>7277094633 is the worst one in the series. tries too hard to pander to americans yuck.
>>727709252They aren't greedy they are just talentless hacks they had to be dragged kicking and screaming onto modern hardware they wanted nothing more than to keep developing for underpowered handheld consoles and the switch completel rug pulled them.
>>727709296The localized names try to make sense out of the designs and jokes.That one is localized as shellebrity so you can kinda tell what they are trying to do, is a fish, it has a shell hat, it looks like a suave motherfucker and has a sweater on him like a stereotypical rich fag, and celebrities are rich, bam, shellebrity it just makes sense, you don't question it.
>>727709889>underpowered handheld consolesLike the Switch?
>>727709786Pander to Americans, by portraying US exactly as Japanese imagine it, rather than how Americans themselves perceive. Chiefly my making American Youkai based on Japanese puns, rather than basing them upon real American mythological beings.If Level-5 planned to localize 3, it certainly does not show in the non-text parts.
>>727678441If it had more adult designs, it would have done better. The idea of Pokemon but you catch and battle ghosts aginst each other isn't a bad one. But the ghosts need to be scary for it to have legs.
I miss Yo-kai Watch, but it is probably for the better it was put to rest. Better this way else we end up with another fucking Shadowside or Y Heroes. Only thing regret is that L5 really fucked up on the 'Merican Yo-kai and those could've been so much better if they weren't obsessed about calling the US fat.
>>727710543>the ghosts need to be scaryyou should definitely check out Yo-kai watch 4.
>>727709786The worst thing about 3 is that there's no Mothman Yo-kai.>>727710543They did that with 4/Shadowside; it bombed. Also, I want to fuck Insomni.
>>727709786It was a fun interpretation of murica, with exaggerated fixation to food and huge ass things, I greatly enjoyed it, specially since it included a lot of new yokai waifus.The pancake one is super cute.
>>727678774>too japanese to be successful in the west nigger did you not play the first couple gens of pokemon?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMNuEUQpsxw
>>727709650Anyone saying the yo-kai watch monsters are overly japanese hasn't actually looked at them for more than five seconds. If they're too japanese then so are Ludicolo, Shiftry and Chimecho.
>>727684062>Anyone can understand "cool monsters", but "shinto ghosts" and ghosts based on Japanese folklore and urban legends will look and sound dumb to most people without a context.really?>a ghost cat that comes back from the dead with a vengence for automobiles? too complicated for the stupid gajin>a group of angry eggs with faces that evolve into a psychic palm tree with laughing fruit? yeah sure this'll have worldwide appeal
>>727711675actually, I kind of take that back because exeggutor is one of my favorite pokemon for some reason and I never really wanted to use jibanyan in the games
>>727679770That's wrong, dumbass.Gamefreak makes the gamesCreatures does things like models and assets, occasionally card art and suchNintendo is the publisher and they gained a third of the franchise, not each company, in the original deal they made way back when. Nintendo doesn't own GF in any capacity and doesn't have a controlling share of creatures. The Pokemon Company handles everything else (anime, manga, merch, toys etc) and it was a joint venture between the three.Get it fucking right next time.
>>727711492>LudicoloThe obviously Mexican inspired one is too Japanese.
>>727686829cfnm is so hot
>>727685734>Pokemon has the advantage of being turn based with a few decades of complexities added onto it.in theory, sure, but no thanks to the games themselves>>727685495every other soultimate in the game is a screenwide attack. it really isn't complicated. you can also use your targeting pin to knock the time stone out of their hand, preventing the resurrection>how was I supposed to know?it's a boss battle in a wacky monster game, you are supposed to be creative. your hint for this mechanic was present in the first boss battle already
>>727711967Ludicolo is a kappa wearing a traditional japanese straw raincoat and hat AND a mexican in a poncho AND a pineapple duck.
>>727711967Ludicolo has "Kappa" in its name in both Japanese and German.
>>727690438>even with the second show butchering the designsyou mean fixing the madhouse garbage brown redesigns back to how the characters should look
>>727678631>the worst pokemon game is still 8/10 in actual rating
>>727699039true, stories 3 looks fucking amazing
>>727712339>but no thanks to the games themselvesWhat the fuck does that even mean anon. You're talking about the game.
>>727712661>>727712746It's a pinata with a sombrero.The closest thing it has to a kappa in its design is the beak and most see it as a duck bill.It's name in Japanese it's called Rumpapa and papa and guess what fruit native to Mexico it's referencing.
>>727707473are you implying that pokemon is the biggest franchise in the world because of its gameplay?
>>727713927Oh, you're one of those idiots.
>>727713927Why do you think the spin offs don't see the same level of popularity? It's almost as if people play for the gameplay.
>>727712965>kino Slayers like design with every boy looking like a chad>>>>>horrible dumb anorexic kids
>>727713681>"a pinata"
>>727713334i think it was very obvious what was being referred to if you looked at the pic.
@727678631Bruv, Pokemon's BEST games are barely even worth an 8.Besides, what keeps Pokemon afloat is the merch. The merch alone makes like 80-90% of the franchise's profits.>>727678441I'm only a secondary for this franchise, but:>too many games way too fast, because they probably assumed all the sequels were going to sell just as well as the first>too Japanese, meaning that not only are kids not going to be able to pronounce half the monsters' names, but some of the "monsters" themselves are going to be too foreign, too weird>put a target on their backs with TPC / Nintendo looking right at them, which is always a bad thing for a ton of reasons>went heavy on the merch right away, despite not having a stable franchise yet>fought directly against the Pokemon fanbase, where the majority of them are wearing rose-tinted glasses that make them say shit like "of course it's good, it's a Pokemon game" or "you don't have SV? Are you poor? You'll get it eventually anyway, everyone buys at least one Switch.">>727711302Not that anon, but there's a difference between Pokemon throwing in a Jap reference here or there that often just get turned into nonsensical shit like jelly donuts, and a monster catching game where 100% of the "Pokemon" are direct references to monsters (yokai, as in the title) only found in Japanese mythology.Pokemon never really leaned on it, I'm pretty sure 90%+ of Pokemon fans don't even know the first few gens' regions are named directly after regions of Japan.
>>727714234ok I'll bite. What is it about pokemon's turn-based gameplay that makes it so high quality as to warrant the franchise's popularity?
>>727700283
>>727714613>a monster catching game where 100% of the "Pokemon" are direct references to monsters (yokai, as in the title) only found in Japanese mythologyThat's been a lie since the first game. I don't think there are statistics, but a solid chunk of the roster is composed of puns/gags and alternate versions of "popular" yo-kai. I can give a little since a lot of those puns, references, and jokes stem from Japanese culture, too. But the first game had a fucking robot version of the mascot cat. I don't think that stems from folklore.
>>727714654>Yo! New guy... join my gang or else!
>>727715195Also, he was gay molested, and liked it. It's very important that you know that.
>>727715121Yes, Monster Hunter Stories 2 looks better than SV
>>727714654EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
>>727714749Nta but I remember it being a very nice gameplay loop as a kid and keeping me very preoccupied on the cheap. But I only played gen 1 and 2 and liked the anime until Saturday morning cartoons quality took a nosedive.After that, I got busier and Nintendo games got much more expensive so I refused the buy from them even when I started getting alot of disposable income. I don't know where the hate for turn based gameplay in the last decade came from but there are other things to hate Pokemon for.
>>727678441Too kiddy.Too easy.Too japanese.Appeals to the same nu-pokemon crowd while having a way more niche premise.
>>727714654Glad I stopped playing Pokemon after Gen 4, this shit looks terrible
>>727699085>the games are insaneYeah, insanely bugged, ugly from a graphical sense or BOTH.
>>727714283>kino Slayers like design with every boy looking like a chadyou mean looking like a brown monkey
>>727716402Listen, ZOOMER(you clearly types like one), Beyblade would never have made big if it used the manga's design. As I kid I always found the style charismatic, I always found Kai badass and strong and I always found Mariah big where it counts and hot. When the second season aired, my disappointed was immense. Everyone looked scrawny. Every beyblade was ugly CGI. Everyone was jobbing a lot and they shoved a noisy and annoying girl to the main team that added less than the 4kids dumb laptop. It was also when everyone started to drop Beyblade too. Lots of kids in my school hated the redesign. Everyone was shifting to YuGiOh instead, after all it had a better visual and cooler looking characters.You don't know jackshit, brat. Beyblade isn't memorable by more than the first show.Nobody ever cared about the manga. Deal with it.
>>727700283I would very much like to fuck these two
>>727678717>palworld doing anythingLOL
>>727717086true, they still live rent free in tendies heads without even doing anything
>>727714749>level playing field in battles>focus on exploration that most tamers don't have>huge roster of unique monsters with almost no exact recolors>mechanics other games either don't have or haven't experimented enough with (abilities, STAB, form changes, weather)>multiple battle modesAnd despite all of the battle mechanics it somehow doesn't feel cluttered.
>>727717349And yet it's never tendies who bring it up.
>>727717712>>huge roster of unique monsters with almost no exact recolorsThis one is only true cosmetically. In practice, not much separates Pokémon beyond typing.
>>727716865>Beyblade would never have made big if it used the manga's design.why is why it used the manga design for 95% of its existence? (including 2/3rds of bakuten) and has been raking billions consistently?sit down and shut up, Pablo
>>727714749huge varietysimplicitydepth in simplicity
>>727716865Beyblade was already big before the anime ever aired you mongoloid>it's another "beyblade died because my schoolyard stopped caring about it, NOOO DON'T LOOK AT THE SALES NUMBERS!!!"
>>727715121
>>727714749Nothing, is pure slop, just spam your hardest hitting moves, and you will win any battle, no strategy or thinking required.>b-b-bbut that is how it is in any other RPGTry to spam your strongest attacks against SMT bosses after the tutorial bosses, see what happens if you only do that.
>>727717927>why is why it used the manga design for 95% of its existence? (including 2/3rds of bakuten) and has been raking billions consistently?>sit down and shut up, PabloBecause they couldn't go back? No wonder in the third show they tried to fix the design and make it more like the first show, zoomer. Never ranked billions and got surpassed by YuGiOh and even fucking Bakugan out of all franchises.>>727718087Proof? Nobody cared about it ever besides the nostalgia. Not even /a/.
>>727717712ok, but how many of these battle mechanics are actually relevant in your typical playthrough of a pokemon game?>>level playing field in battleslmao even>>focus on exploration that most tamers don't haveI don't play many monster tamers, but I'll give you this one>>mechanics other games either don't have or haven't experimented enough with (abilities, STAB, form changes, weather)and does pokemon itself experiment with any of these in a given playthrough? or does it all come down to type advantage, invariably? These mechanics are valid strengths for you to mention, but how much does the average pokemon fan interact with any of them? These are really only relevantly understood by the dedicated, competitive fanbase, so they wouldn't be points that you'd cite when we're talking about mass appeal/popularity.>>huge roster of unique monsters with almost no exact recolorslike the other anon mentioned, this is more in theory, not in practice. many mons are just repetition/ritual like your generational birds, rats, etc. fwiw I think S/V is a step in the right direction in making mons more unique from each other. How boring would it be if every legendary mon still had pressure as their only ability, for instance. Again though, this wouldn't be a sentiment that a casual fan would hold>>multiple battle modesyeah...rotation battles...
>>727718392Post your whatever endgame facility's trophies.
>>727718697>no, multiplayer(half the game) doesn't count>actually, it countsMake up your mind.
>>727717917Alola variations are almost recolors. Would be better if they were indeed recolors because old pokemons with modetn art style is hideous.
>>727718721I dropped pokeslop after sun/moon induced me to sleep for how boring they were.
>>727719109Ok, so? My request still stands.
>>727678631>pokemon has quality controlTake my (You)
>>727678441Really ugy designs and RNG. Also it's very Japan and Pokemon is more generic, Americans are retarded and can only relate to certain things its why 99% of our box arts are just a cool white guy with a gun or sword in front of the title.
>>727718802nigger, how much of the pokemon fanbase are engaged in competitive multiplayer gameplay? Like 10% maybe are dedicated enough to grind out a competitive team in game or go onto pokemon showdown's battle simulator. You can say that competitive pvp in pokemon is unique and enjoyable, and I would agree, but these mechanics are not what the average fan is looking for in their pokeymans game.In other words, and brace yourself for this groundbreaking take, smogon is not responsible for the pokemon franchise's massive popularity.
>>727719253Nigger, "multiplayer gameplay" doesn't mean it has to be competitive. You can use and strategize with abilities, STAB, form changes, weather even while being a retarded casual. Everyone loves fighting online regardless of their "competitiveness". That's why Pokemon works.
>>727718721>if I can point to postgame content which makes up 2% of the game and that 2% of the fanbase interacts with, that means that every other battle in the game is mechanically complex!poor example even, given that all the most relevant competitive held items, which allow you to utilize complex strategies in battle, are locked behind grinding in the postgame facilities. In other words, up until this postgame grind, all of the preceding battles are just supereffective spam with barely any strategy
>>727719160What makes you think I have played any pokeslop game in the past 8 or so years? my standards are not as low as yours.How about you show me how you beat apocalypse YHVH only using your strongest attacks and nothing else?
>>727719516>>if I can point to postgame content which makes up 2% of the game and that 2% of the fanbase interacts with,I thought you said any battle? Now it doesn't count for some reason?>>727719541>What makes you think I have played any pokeslop game in the past 8 or so years?Good thing the games with those things are older than 8 or so years. Emerald and so on are from 2004.
>>727718393>No wonder in the third show they tried to fix the design and make it more like the first show, zoomer.delusional cope lmao, it's a clear progression from 2002's design as he aged, in line with the manga, it looks nothing like madhouse takaojust admit you have nostalgia for ugly niggermonkey takao you dumb retard>Proof? Nobody cared about it ever besides the nostalgia. Not even /a/.look up the sales numbers you tard, they've only gone up since you were a toddlermetal fight is the best selling generation, with burst in second, and X is breaking records and well on its way to outsell bakuten tooso sorry your personal anecdote isn't reality, I'm sure you have your finger on the pulse of the 6 year old children market as an obese 40 year old
>>727719504>You can use and strategize with abilities, STAB, form changes, weather even while being a retarded casual.ok, but we are talking about popularity. What makes this franchise popular? Before release, are people really clamoring about "Dude! they gave torkoal drought this generation! fucking epic!">Nigger, "multiplayer gameplay" doesn't mean it has to be competitivehow do you think competitive multiplayer scenes for any game start out? I'm not gonna spell it out for you, just a little thought experiment. Try it. sorry for calling you a nigger>>727719798>I thought you said any battle?i think you're confusing me with someone else, i just stated a fact about how the tiny subset of postgame battles in the facility/tower/whatever aren't representative of the usual supereffective spam. As a result of this, it is logical to state that pokemon isn't massively popular and hyped because of the generational battle facilityby the way, does anyone remember the original topic of this thread? lol
>>727719798What makes you think I have any save file from old pokeslop games?
>>727716865>Beyblade isn't memorable by more than the first show.Metal Fusion has always been far more popular than plastic toddler shit ESL-kun
Full release next year, 32+M sales already, overwhelmingly favorable reviews, tick tock, poketroons.
>>727720218>by the way, does anyone remember the original topic of this thread? lolNah. 'Tis the fate of most Monster collecting game threads that aren't Pokemon related. It'll all go back to Pokemon. Which is a shame. There's a lot of sexy designs out there, especially in the mobile games. Although to be fair, the recent ones being released in the mobile games are definitely leaning more towards the human part than yokai.
>>727720729>went from launch 1m players to not even 30k in the span of 2 yearslol
>>727720729palworld will be a one and off game, meanwhile pokemon will continue to shit out games every year. nothing is happening.
>>727721128Now imagine the za numbers lmao, not even 1 year later and everyone already forgot about it.
>>727721239>palworld will be a one and off game>he lacks critical informationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmurGwwjvGMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep4kasLrZughttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVBSiMg9Ok0>n-no those are just April fools jok-ACKhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3620480/Palworld_More_Than_Just_Pals/
>Yokai watch thread in 2025Glad to see this up. What's your favorite? For me it's Last Nyanmurai, Stinkeye, Kyubi, and Showbonyan. Honestly wish they would've localized 4, the battle system with you beating up enemies as the human characters looked funny as hell.
>>727721496>t-they're real, i swear!they weren't kidding when they said palfags were delusional.
>>727721612Baku forever and always
>>727721612Smogmella.
>>727713927>are you implying that pokemon is the biggest franchise in the world because of its gameplay?Partially at least yeah.>>727714749>ok I'll bite.Why do you faggots get like this whenever Pokemon is praised for anything?>>727718392>no strategySMT:>buffs/debuffs>weaknessesPokemon:>18 types>buffs/debuffs>abilities>entry hazards>terrain>weather>trick room>held items>megas/z-moves/dynamax/tera>singles/doubles/triples/rotation
>>727721612fuck the springdale scratch lottery, man
>>727721837I wanted to use her in my playthrough of YKW2 but always end up switching her out, mostly cause I get impatient which is a shame because her evolution looks cool. Wondering if for future playthroughs I should add some self-imposed rules to shake up my party formation a bit.
>>727721612my nigga gurerulin
>>727721961In SMT you ACTUALLY need to use your kit just to beat the game, meanwhile in pokemon you can beat the whole game using only your starter by spamming hard hitting attacks.
>>727721691Not nearly as delusional as pokefags thinking this looks good.
>>727722167There's nothing interesting about that, SMT bosses just have bloated health. If I want depth I will just play competitive Pokemon.
>>727721981>Back when 3ds online was still around I had to borrow someone's Mr. Sandmeh just to solve the Hinozall baffle board in YWK3Never tried the scratch-offs much but I sorta know your pain cause of the Granny Edna's Lottery in Blossom Heights. Why the hell they locked the Sand Suit behind that is beyond me.>>727721959Cute!>>727722136I can't believe I forgot about this dude! I would always get one in 1 and with 2's select-a-coin and name him Pompya (cause pompadour). The voice they gave him in the anime dub matched him perfectly.
>>727722167nta but SMTfags are fucking delusional. lol.>get Matador early game>easily skip 90% of the gameinb4 that's only SMTVevery single smt game lets you spam the same shitty almighty piercing skill that nukes every single enemy, there's no skill here.
>>727678752Wrong, Jibanyan is very fuckable. Now that I have your attention, the only two good Yokai games were the original game for the 3DS and that WibWob game for mobile that shut down around 2017 I think, which oddly enough has a Japanese version that's still alive and well today
>>727678631>quality controlpeak comedy you’ve stated, you’re far from right
>>727722285>game working as intended>anon too retarded to figure it outlol.
>>727722426OK so post a video of apocalypse YHVH using only the same shitty almighty piercing skill
>>727721612The evolution character arc was endearing.
>>727721961see >>727712339I don't think that anybody is saying that complex mechanics don't exist in pokemon, or that the potential for mechanically-engaging battles doesn't exist, but just look at the application in your standard pokemon game. It all boils down to supereffective spam. Type matchup is all the game tutorializes you with (aside from a bit about status effects in the trainer's school) and that's all that the battle system throughout the main storyline rewards you for.furthermore, see >>727719516. all of those deep mechanics that you referenced are not present for 99% of gameplay. On the other hand, 95% of battles (everything besides postgame battle facilities) are so simple that they don't require you to engage with any of the mechanics besides type matchups, so it evens-out I guess
>>727721961>region>contest stats>egg type>shininess>pokeurs>catch location>original trainer>legendary status>sky battle validity>horde battle backup call>totem status>ball preference>fossil status>ribbons>ball stickers>current ballexplain RIGHT NOW how any of those things affect battle calculation or make them more "complex"
>>727722443YKW1 is near unplayable after experiencing 2. The sequel really improved a lot.
>>727722638i'll do it if you post a video of Pokemon Legends Arceus Volo's full final fight without losing a single pokemon. :^)
>>727722350lol, have fun building your competitive team in-game. No hacking allowed. No battle simulators because that is fan content. I'll wait for you to post your competitive team from your copy of S/V
>>727722757N-No you don't understand, the stickers on my pokeball (not even a thing anymore lol) give the game so much depth and gameplay complexity... It's not for 3 year olds!
>>727678441Yo-kai Watch was trying to be a modern day children's comedy similar to Doraemon's but americans never got the series so shitty news outlets didn't have anything else to compare it to but pokemon. It was never competing with pokemon, only americans tried to force it to compete with pokemon. This false competitive attempt caused /vp/ to seeth for months when the series was first revealed to americans. That's how retarded the situation got.
sex with nerds
>>727678631>pokemon has quality control7/10 bait, it actually made me upset.
>>727678441they focused too much on it instead of pushing this >>727701768 especially since medabots, the closest thing that people can compare it, is fucking dead in the west well it is dead in japan too and i'm sure that was why it got a decent following over there, so people wouldn't start brand wars like they did with yokai watch and pokemon.i will be forever mad at level5 for leaving lbx to die on the west like that
>>727686829That's incredibly hot what the fuck
>>727723020of all the fuckable yokids and you chose that one
Turns out collectable monsters based off japanese yokai aren't very popular with american children.Some of their stories are also quite tragic like Jibanyan's.
>>727722849Not that anon but even if 1 can be a slog to get through at times I think it's still worth experiencing it. The story is fun,and I liked going through the construction site and the McKracken fights towards the end. It's kinda like the first mother game to me. Which is funny since mother 2 retreads old ground a bit just like how ykw2 does with 1, at least in the beginning chapters.>>727722670A lot of the merican yokai designs are great.
>>727722852>can't post proof lmao>Pokemon Legends ArceusI don't play shitty games, my standards are just not that low.
>>727720056>ask him for proof >no proof postedI accept your concession. Enjoy your show living in total oblivion.
>>727723489>pussied outlol. anyways.
>>727723489>>727723490The fuck...?
>>727723020Rude sex with the rude nerd.
>>727722849I will always still prefer 1 over 2 because of all of the anime's influence in 2. A whole chapter dedicated to jibanyan with zero gameplay? Wow, where do I sign up?1's plot was much better because it was about just about humans and yo-kai interacting. In 2 (and later 3)'s plot, everything is about the yo-kai. It is a series about yo-kai after all, but that's exactly the problem. YKW1 wasn't a series, so all we had was the premise that yo-kai are mysterious spirits that cause mischief in the human world. By 2, there's none of this mystery anymore. You, the player, know what yo-kai are already, so you don't need to hear about how they are and what they do anymore. As a result, the plot just treats them as regular characters, rather than as mysterious, incorporeal entities.
>>727723556This nigga be projecting.
>>727722670>never loafs and always hitsfucking love this guy right next to zomboy
>>727722618Is this how poketroon games are supposed to work as intended?
>>727723829that's not Z-A though, are you retarded? wait, dont answer. you ARE retarded.
>>727723490>makes retarded claim>buries his head in the sand and copes when told he's wrong and retarded>"p-post proof I'm wrong! no, why should I back my original claim?"
>>727723609On one hand, I can see where you're coming from. On the other the infinite tunnel and the battle music looping the first chunk during the setup phase, then playing normally when the combat start,s is really cool.
>>727723347why do ykw and pokemon fans fight so much if we have such similar tastes for underage fictional girls? Actually, I think I just figured out why pokemon is so popular
>>727724030mechanically, and gameplay-wise, 2 is superior. The real reason that I can never go back to 1 is actually because it lacks yo-kai medal icons. they are so soulful
>>727723913So SV or whatever is called is suddenly not a pokeslop game now?
>>727724298this is Z-A not SV. try again.
>>727723829t-that's from an emulator guise, it's all a trick...don't look!
>>727723420>Turns out collectable monsters based off japanese yokai aren't very popular with american children.see>>727711675besides, isn't anime more popular in the west than ever right now? make this make sense>Some of their stories are also quite tragic like Jibanyan's.cubone tho? spoink? Literally any mega evolution???
>>727724378But are they not both poketroon games?
>>727702447>>727723347>>727724043Tell me, why does this girl love McDonalds so much?
>>727724481>b-b-b-butit's ok, buddy. we dont need mental gymnastics to know you're retarded.
>>727724537her name is Mika
>Make a monster catching franchise>Make all the monsters ugly little cretins with basic ass smiley faces.did they really think that would work?
>>727724639it did. that's how it became succesful in the first place. the mismanagement is what caused its downfall.
>>727724552So you look at this thinking it looks anywhere near acceptable, and then pretend you don't have shit slurping brand cultists standards? Nah, bro, you are tripping.
>>727723490open wide Pablo, here comes the airplane!Aaaaaaaaaaaa~https://www.takaratomy.co.jp/english/product_release/pdf/p230517_en.pdfwhat's your next cope?
>>727724896what does that have to do with the game mechanics though?? are you replying to the correct guy???
>>727721612Still Smogmella, now and forevermore. She got an older-looking form in punipuni, but I still like the original form.
>>727703497ho ho, my ladyou go, my lad
>>727723420Is a tragic backstory a bad thing? I swear, these why other monsnter game not popular threads have some of the most confusing reasons. They will just take anything that is or isn't in pokemon and say that's why.
>>727721612I also really like Morigami Rex, but he's locked away in YWBusters 2 and the mobile game. I would've loved it if he made a proper debut with the other yokai stuck in that mixed bag of a game, but alas.>>727724639>basic ass smiley facesI'm not sure if you saw most of the designs, but a lot of creatures in YW have a lot of distorted faces that make it a bit more twisted than a basic smile face. What would matter if it is a smiley face that shines to you...
>>727686829that fucking jiggle
>>727725473I mean I personally don't think its bad, pokemon has some tragic ones and some fucked ones, just saying it might be a reason.You can ignore Cubone, you can't ignore Chibanyan.
>>727678774>Game Key Card.>When 1 and 2 are on the cart.
>>727678441Level-5 got too greedy for its own good and gave the franchise an identity crisis due to wanting to cover as many genres as possible all at once, including entire AUs and reboots that further muddied up the brand's image.
>>727725000What game mechanics? All you do is mash attack over and over again.
>>727725681go back the reply chain. stop replying if you dont even know what the fuck we're talking about. holy fuck, im talking to an actual autist.
>>727725473apparently, vidrel is obscure japanese folklore that went straight over the heads of western children. you really can't even understand what's happening here without a degree in japanese historyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkS59YbBDgM>>727724639>ykw is the franchise with sameface creatures
>>727726268I miss Reggie
>>727725554>You can ignore Cubone, you can't ignore Chibanyan.Lavender town tho? Also, try avoiding mega evolutions in a gen 6 game (or the most recent Z-A), almost all of which put your beloved pet through some kind of excruciating pain in order to suit your sadistic desire to win in battle
>>727725824You are just completely deluded, classic poketroon behavior, you will now tell me that this looks fine, you are so used to being feed feces that shitty low effort games like this is all you know.>n-no that's not gameplayIt is integral to the gameplay for a game to look good, to think otherwise is just a cope, and boy do pokefags live huffing copium all day long.Now, if you don't see anything wrong with this webm then you are beyond salvation, you are nothing but a pokedrone patiently awaiting gamefreak to take a big fat shit on your plate and then eat it like the good little drone you are.
>>727726609>b-b-but the visuals!!ok?. i dont see how that's related to my first reply. you tried though.
>>727725554Ok, but how is it a reason that's big enough to mention, like it isn't something that would only turn off some people. There are many more obvious and blatant ones, so minor things like that seem really fucking stupid. And I'm not going to lie. I'm biased. I like it when Yo-kai Watch gets sappy like that and I think it does it well. I can see it being a turn-off because the dumb little cartoons getting emotional is stupid. Especially since it probably wasn't that long ago they were doing a comedy routine. But in order to get to that point, you have to get past a lot of other differences and shit that can turn you off from the game much faster.>>727726569To be fair. Don't you have to learn that mega evolution makes the Pokémon suffer? Jibanyans past with Amy is tied to his introduction.
>>727726808
You can replace OP with the best monster catching game ever and it would be the same.Everyone knows what pokemon is. A parent walks into the shop and buys Dragon Quest Monsters? Yokai Watch? Maybe Digimon if this was 20 years ago and they still made games for kids. If Pokemon ever dies, it's gonna be after the next Roblox or Fortnite kills it, or in another 20 years when the Pokemania of 1998 is two generations removed.
>>727726814>To be fair. Don't you have to learn that mega evolution makes the Pokémon suffer? Jibanyans past with Amy is tied to his introduction.i'm not saying that it isn't tragic, I'm just saying that pokemon does tragedy too. If mega evolution isn't a good enough example for you, how about gen 6's plot revolving around a superweapon that killed half a continent of pokemon in a war, then created an immortal man who is miserable because his companion floette died. Was that avoidable? How about gen 7's familial trauma with Lillie and Lusamine?Jibanyan's tragic introduction is a one-and-done in ykw1 and isn't even present in 3. In ykw2, I'll grant you, that he does get an entire chapter dedicated to his backstory (it actually makes things a bit less tragic for him though)
I love yk4 sad the online is dead
>>727727238kids don't play pokeslop they play fortnite and roblox, only deranged autist still cling to pokeslop.
>>727727335The blue guy walks behind them because he is embarrassed of how his autistic friends walk.
>>727727402Not even Fortnite anymore, Fortnite is a millennial unc game now because they failed to retain the kid audience since they couldn't collab with Italian Brainrot memes.Kids literally only play Roblox, and it's solely for Grow A Garden and Italian Brainrot games.
>>727727561they're still cute
>>727727251YW1's take on Jibanyan's story was more comedic than tragic honestly. They don't go into details over it beyond Amy calling him lame. Unless you watch the anime or play YW2, of course it would come off more as a sob story.
>>727727652Edgy version noko looks a lot more cute than its normal version.
>>727678631It doesn't have quality control. But it DID when it mattered, and its been reaping the benefits for decades. Now its brand is literally too big to fail.
>>727722905>S/VYou idiot, the games have been making it easier and easier to get competitive ready pokemon since Gen 6, you really picked the latest game for this argument?
>>727728516ok...post your ingame team then if it's so easy. I know that it improves and gets easier every generation, thank you for stating the obvious
>>727728303UOOHHHH!!!
>>727727251YKW3 has other sappy moments like the shark father and son quest and Maddiman's whole deal. But they are optional subjects. I would say that YKW has that emotional angle as a part of its identity, unlike Pokémon. It comes up a lot more. Remember that bit the anime had where the old lady told those folk tales, and they all ended up as sci-fi space shit? And then in the last one, it's revealed that her dead husband was an astronaut. Or what about how only the mainline villain in YKW that was just evil was McKracken? The other 2 have backstories that were kinda sad, and you got to see the aftermath for their followers after they were defeated. It's not that Pokémon doesn't have any tragedy or sappiness. It's just not something it focused on.
>>727678441So what's the best of these games if I want something that's not too braindead? 2 or 3?
>>7277288414
>>7277288413 and blasters
>>727728659I haven't play competitive SV on cart I got deep into Steam games like Kenshi and Rimworld and haven't touched my Switch in a long time.>I know that it improves and gets easier every generationWhat point are you trying to make then?
>>727728841You're never going to escape brain-dead difficulty unless you give yourself arbitrary rules to make things harder. I'm leaning more towards 2, it doesn't have Blasters T.
>>727729215The postgame of YW3 is so ridiculously hard it is unfair, haha here fight against robonyan like 4 times in a row every time he gets stronger.
>>727678441It never portrayed itself as a pokemon killer. Most things that are labeled "pokemon killers" are just reporting sites trying to geenrate clicks.
>>727729215What are some rules to follow?
>>727678441It failed because (like every other failed pokeclone out there) it didn't clone the things about Pokemon that actually make it successful, and barring that, didn't provide something that was actually different enough to make it stand out. You either have to make "Literally Pokemon In Every Single Way, But Better (Has never been done)" or "Nothing like Pokemon at all aside from Aesthetics (Palworld)"
>>727729128go through the reply chain for more context, but the original anon here >>727721961 was claiming how complex pokemon's battle system is, which caused this reply >>727722697.I agree that the battle system has depth for competitive play, but this mechanical depth is poorly utilized in the games themselves, leading to only the most dedicated of fans ever engaging with them. 95% of the fanbase does not care about 90% of pokemon's battle mechanics
>>727678441Taking a game about youkai and localizing damn near everything Japanese out of it
>>727729585Don't have a healer that's now your job, just constantly swap your team around so nothing gets leveled up too much, and Nuzlocke shit, I guess.
>>727718697>but how many of these battle mechanics are actually relevant in your typical playthrough of a pokemon game?All of them except for probably combos?That's a pretty dumb question anon.>lmao evenAnon, it means the game isn't going to be tedious nor do you as the player have the same sense of disappointment you would get from another tamer series where you go up against an enemy version and it's stronger than it actually is.>and does pokemon itself experiment with any of these in a given playthrough?Yes, all the time. Have you actually played a Pokemon game before?Stab is just innate if you or your opponent use a move of the same type.Abilities are on every single Pokemon.Form changes are on a relatively small selection of Mon but aren't exactly uncommon. And nowadays a form change tends to have story relevance. >but how much does the average pokemon fan interact with any of them?The average Pokemon fan would always interact with them, what are you even trying to say? Like I said before the only ones that they wouldn't are somewhat hidden ones even then you get ones everyone knows like sun = one turn solar beam.>These are really only relevantly understood by the dedicated, competitive fanbaseNot at all, most of the mechanics are very, very common knowledge that the game itself explains. Like I said before, abilities and stab are just there, you'd have to go out of your way to avoid it and you know the average player is just going to load up on moves of the same type for example.
>>727729652>it didn't clone the things about Pokemon that actually make it successfulwhich would be what, exactly? just curious
>>727729652>it didn't clone the things about Pokemon that actually make it successfulBrainwashed cultists?
>>727725504Puni puni in general has a lot of great designs from what few yokai I've seen from it. Also can't think of blasters 2 without thinking of blaster T and indy jaws>>727725006Is that supposed to be how she looks in shadowside? (well lightside form but you know what I mean)
>>727718697>this is more in theory, not in practiceYes it's very much true in practiceTake Digimon for example, you have:GreymonGreymon BlueThey're the same designs with just a color change and use the same animations. Both also prefer physical attacks.Even in cyber sleuth they had similar abilities Compare that to the closest approximation, Plusle and Minun.Plusle is offensive Minun is defensiveTheir designs have physical differences beyond the color. They stand out more as unique monsters.Your argument on the other hand is>oh it's a bird found on an early route nothing else mattersSo the design, ability, amount of evolutions, types, moves etc aren't a factor in your eyes to differentiate them. Also that's blatant samefagging. >How boring would it be if every legendary mon still had pressure as their only ability, for instanceAnon, only about 13, including mythicals, before hidden abilities were added had it.That leavesMewCelebiLatiosLatiasGroudonKyogreRayquazaJirachiUxieAzelfMesprit HeatranRegigigasDarkraiCresseliaShayminManaphyThat's 17, so not "every" by any stretch of the imagination. And again, hidden abilities later fixed that issue. Multiple abilities also being something other tamers lack.>this wouldn't be a sentiment that a casual fan would hold It's a sentiment ONLY casual fans would hold since they often wouldn't bother looking. By the by, that doesn't contradict the earlier "always interact with" statement because you're still interacting with abilities whether or not you're aware of it. >yeah...rotation battles...And singlesAnd doublesAnd raidsAnd technically real time combat all in one game. If you don't know what I'm referring to I'm talking about the ability to control your Mon in SV, not AZ.Even if it were just singles and doubles that's still more than other monster takers that just have one battle mode.
>>727729990the incredibly simple and fun but surprisingly deep turn based battle system combined with having hundreds of playable characters that are all very similar but functionally unique. >>727730098no, braindead haters.
>>727678631>pokemon has quality controli would rather play the worst mainline yo-kai watch game over the best mainline pokemon game
>>727730273>i would rather play the worst mainline yo-kai watch game And that would be?
>>727678441i'm STILL waiting for the english release of 4
>>727679538these fucking japs are out of control
>>727730339Does it matter if they're all worse than pokemon anyway?
>>727678631>pokemon has quality control>hacked database leak even showed that Nintendo tried to get other devs to do pokemon games like with some of the older spinoffs and GF said fuck off
>>727730412They aren't. 3 is great.
>>727730383Did that actually come out? I haven't seen a single piece of footage for it.
>>727730204>no, braindead haters.Those are called pokedrones, they go in every other monster catching thread and whine endlessly.
>>727730502no, but there is a fully completed fan translation now
>>727730515And just like your interpretation of my answer, you have everything exactly backwards.
>>727680353>It's literally just that they fucked up the localization worse than anything before.The name translations are by far some of the best things they could have done when it came to the Yokai. Nate and Springvale and all that was stupid, yes, but the actual Yokai names are perfect. "Noway" and "Walledin" is genius.
>>727730383Some anon posted a completed translation mod here >>727708509
>>727730339probably the non-psychic specters version of 2.
>>727678631>but pokemon has quality controlLol
>>727730515Which is why it's always everyone else taking potshots at pokemon right?It got to the point where they had to pretend people cared about the reviews to make it look like they had enemies.
>>727730204>the incredibly simple and fun but surprisingly deep turn based battle systemyou're wrong but please just read the thread about this point we have been discussing it for hours.>hundreds of playable characters that are all very similar but functionally unique>very similar but functionally uniqueDebatable. the wide variety, to its credit, leads to creative instances like picrel, but, by and large, the games' battle systems do not incentivize or require players to engage with their mechanical depth. Also, have you played yo-kai watch? The vast amount of yo-kai recolors is one of the main criticisms levied against it (even though each one is functionally different to some extent), but apparently this is the key to pokemon's success?
Uh oh, I made the drones mad.
>>727678441everyone proclaiming it as a "Pokemon killer" when it's nothing like Pokemon at all.
>>727730797Nigga, you don't understand how much Pokemon can differentiate mons that are identical. The absolute best examples are Xerneas and Yveltal. They have identical stats and their abilities are essentially reskins of each other, but yet they're completely different thanks to everything else about them.>>727730797>Also, have you played yo-kai watch?I tried the first one, quit after ~3 hours because it just flat out wasn't enjoyable.
>yo-kai watch is effectively dead in both the west and east, outside of punipuni>its spiritual successor, holy horror mansion, uses ai-generated art in its reveal trailer
>>727731106level5 said they're gonna continue developing Yo-kai watch games besides HHM.
>>727729938>Nuzlocke shit, I guess.I know people tried this with the yo-kai watch games, but it never works out. As it turns out, trying to do a nuzlocke run where all 3 members are out instead of just 1 really does affect how teams are made. Can't really decide who to 'sacrifice' if attacks are hitting everyone really hard.
>>727730909No, I would say there are enough similarities for this bullshit to be inevitable. But the series has more in common with Earthbound than Pokémon.
>>727730106>Is that supposed to be how she looks in shadowside? (well lightside form but you know what I mean)Nope, this is just an alternative form entirely. I know her bio mentions that she can change her form as she pleases, but it honestly wasn't utilized until the recent punipuni events. To my knowledge they don't really do much shadowside stuff anymore. Kind of a shame.
>>727678441Everything
>>727731043>you don't understand how much Pokemon can differentiate mons that are identical.I literally gave you an example of this, to pokemon's credit. Newfag check: can you even tell me what that pic is referencing?>Xerneas and Yveltalwhat else is left besides their typing and their signature moves (one of which is dark type giga drain and the other is a two-turn stat booster)? Different monsters having different attributes/families and different moves is not something unique to pokemon, you know.
>>727730797>you're wrong but please just read the thread about this point we have been discussing it for hours.I mean, the only one saying otherwise is just screaming>NOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT NO ONE CARESand by the looks of it he was btfo'd.>the wide variety, to its credit, leads to creative instances like picrel, but, by and large, the games' battle systems do not incentivize or require players to engage with their mechanical depth.You know that there's no correlation there, right? The amount of monsters doesn't change how you interact with the game.The combat mechanics are the same whether the game has one or one thousand monsters.>Also, have you played yo-kai watch? The vast amount of yo-kai recolors is one of the main criticisms levied against it (even though each one is functionally different to some extent), but apparently this is the key to pokemon's success?Anon, pokemon doesn't have exact recolors.
>>727690452>1 is only good for the exploratory aspect. If you actually want to play it you're going to lose your mind with capture rates and Pandanoko spawn method.Just play the Switch remake since it has a translation patch and is essentially an updated version that fixed some stuff to be more in line with how 2 did it and fixed Pandanoko's spawn rate.>With 2 you should play Psychic Specters, it's functionally the Yellow/Crystal/Emerald of 2. 2 specifically was a reboot of 1 following more along the line of the anime than what 1 was doing while PS added some more content on top of it and made it possible to get a majority of the important Yokai from FS and BS in it. It also addressed the core complaints of 1 like the combat being brainless and capture system making you hate life.You still need FS and BS if you want to 100% it but the overwhelming majority of the Yokai are available in PS including exclusive Yokai to it.>3 overhauled the combat and capture system and sent you to the Japanese take on American stereotypes. It's pretty much the best game in the series.Then you start getting into the "We want to pander to the older audience" games or the "We want to test concepts" games.>Busters is a standalone version of the minigame from 2 I think it was. Very solid by all metrics if you liked that minigame.>Yokai Watch 4 is considered to be on par with 3 for one of the best games in the series. It's a full on console take on Yokai Watch and mixes in some Busters concepts.This one has a translation patch, but play the ++ version, not the original version. There's no point.>Y School Heroes is basically Busters but based in and around a school. You go to classes, learn about mysteries, and then go tackle Yokai around the school.That's where we're at right now. Holy Horror Mansion is also not-Yokai Watch and that's looking like it'll be trying something new, similar to Pokemon. Problem is we've barely heard anything about it since its announcement.
>>727690123>rerun mode by the time the clinton era kicked offNigger what, EEnE started airing in the last couple years of Clinton's second term.
>>727731502>I literally gave you an example of this, to pokemon's creditNTA but your image is literally irrelevant to the conversation. And knowing it's based on a real vgc match doesn't mean anything. You just wanted to post the image. >what else is left besides their typing and their signature moves (one of which is dark type giga drain and the other is a two-turn stat booster)? Type, yveltal even having two where xerneas has oneAbilityDesign Learnset FormsWhy would you think that this is a good argument?>Different monsters having different attributes/families and different moves is not something unique to pokemon, you know.Then why are you acting like pokemon doesn't have more than the other games? Something a basic as types aren't even really in most monster tamers. At most they just have elemental weaknesses which is about one third of what types are.
jeez the pokemon damage control is really in full effect in this thread when in reality its modern game is just like its older games repetitive and boring when you play, you're 50th or 100th royale game and the fact the story is very forgettable besides the people only mentioning the only relevant character are either people with a black fetish or tumblr teens and people with a vtuber fetish
>>727731620>>NOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT NO ONE CARESdon't know who you're talking about, but all of my arguments have gone unanswered this thread>You know that there's no correlation there, right? The amount of monsters doesn't change how you interact with the game.>The combat mechanics are the same whether the game has one or one thousand monsters.are you a different anon than >>727730204 who mentioned that>having hundreds of playable characters that are functionally uniquewas the key to pokemon's success? that's what I was replying to, but now you are claiming that these hundreds of playable characters that are functionally unique does not affect the battle system at all??? isn't the whole point of a monster collector to have different monsters who have different mechanics from one another?>Anon, pokemon doesn't have exact recolors.neither does ykw. yo-kai reskins with different colors almost always come with a different rank, a different attack/technique, a different inspirit, a different elemental affinity, and different stats. They are still recolors, yes, but they are functionally distinct (to some degree at least). The original argument was:>hundreds of playable characters that are all very similar but functionally uniqueis why pokemon is so successful, but, if yo-kai watch has this too, then why wasn't it successful?
>>727732312the point of the image was to illustrate that pokemon does have variety in its battle system and that, despite their similarities, most pokemon are not entirely interchangable. If you swapped pachirisu out for a similar pokemon (emolga, for instance) in that situation, you wouldn't have had that unique advantage to your team that only pachirisu could have conferred.>the restlook, my original point was never that pokemon doesn't have mechanical complexity (see >>727722697). The rub is from people claiming that this mechanical complexity is why pokemon is as successful as it is. In reality, only a small subset of the most dedicated players actually interact with the mechanical depth that's present in pokemon's battle system (in no small part because the games themselves lack difficulty for 95% of their battles). Therefore, you wouldn't say that pokemon is the biggest franchise in the world because of the intricacies of competitive teambuilding
What's up with poketroons and walls of text full of cope?
>>727730730>muh poor defenseless billion dollar franchise>mods, plz help, the temtem brigade is bullying us
>>727678631>but pokemon has quality controlAnon, wake up. You've been in a coma for the past 10 years. Your family misses you.
>>727679218>shota gets a boner jokenon-issue
>>727733278>in no small part because the games themselves lack difficulty for 95% of their battlesTo be fair have you actually played any romhack that tries to be hard, even a little? Super Mariomon was the first time I had to seriously deal with that, and while the Hard Mode and level limits was fine, once you got to the endgame dev and gym leader rematch builds you either spam Full Restores every turn to PP stall characters like Sonic until they have nothing strong to work with or you make some incredibly specific team composition after studying their EV spreads, abilities, and learnsets. Even then trying to actually team build is extremely difficult in these games. There's so many scenarios you need to account for, the synergies are hard to conceptualize, and if you have no frame of reference to work from it's nightmarish to even find a place to start.I only beat the devs using a combination of King Boo + Hypnosis + Dream Eater and Full Restore PP stalling legendaries that two-shot my entire team, sometimes even one-shot. So many Captures were either massacring me outright, outspeeding me and then one-shotting via STAB Choice Specs, or tanking three of my STAB hits.Pokemon being casual is what I like about the series. It's why PLA is the best game in the series for me: Because it treated battling as a secondary thing, capturing first. Meanwhile PLZ-A does the exact opposite and I don't know why it did.
>>727733592Being proud of ignorance is a brown trait.
>>727723420>based off japanese yokaiNigger, your pokemon?
>>727680353I think what's funny about Yo-Kai Watch is that the last game in the series was literally them going to fucking America, meaning it was the most "Western-friendly" entry in the series, and yet it somehow had the worst sales out of all the western releases. And then you look at what happened afterwards and you have to wonder what the fuck proceeded to happen in Japan for the series to just suddenly cease to exist. They got a fourth entry, a spinoff, an expanded edition, and a fucking remaster, and yet none of them ever exceeded a million salesI genuinely can not figure out any explanation for the series failing other than "Games came out too fast, competition was kicking their ass, it wasn't clicking with the West"
>>727733891Which is why poketroons ignore the truth about the franchise being shit.
>>727733982It also rebooted like 4 times.
>>727728683WE DID IT REDDIT!
>>727723420>tragic, compelling story>based on a ghost>collectable monster you battle withThat's the Gastly line, you fucking dunderhead.
>>727732423>but all of my arguments have gone unanswered this threadYou're this guy right? >>727718697Has to be since that's the only other guy saying it doesn't count because people don't care.That means you were btfo'd by this guy >>727729964>>727730201Who answered all of your arguments in way more detail with examples from other games to compare it to.>you a different anon than >>727730204 # who mentioned thatAnon, can you not read?>the incredibly simple and fun but surprisingly deep turn based battle system combined with having hundreds of playable characters that are all very similar but functionally unique.Those are two different points.The amount of unique monsters doesn't have a bearing on how those mechanics function.>that's what I was replying to, but now you are claiming that these hundreds of playable characters that are functionally unique does not affect the battle system at all???Are you genuinely brain dead? No, it doesn't have anything to do with it beyond adding variety let me explain it like this. There's one Mon in the game, one ability let's say intimidate, the four moves it can learn are, fly, earthquake, thunder and swords dance and it's normal flying.With just this one Mon you can see basically every interaction in a battle.>isn't the whole point of a monster collector to have different monsters Yes>who have different mechanics from one another?No. I think the problem here is that you don't understand the word "mechanic" means.>neither does ykw.Why even lie about that? Jibanyan and Kiwinyan for instance don't have any distinct features that aren't just the result of a recolor? Even when it comes to stats Kiwinyan is just a better Jibanyan >but, if yo-kai watch has this too, then why wasn't it successful?It's almost as if yokai watch objectively does not have that.
>>727734123Wait ghastly has a tragic past? Where?
>>727733807>To be fair have you actually played any romhack that tries to be hard, even a little?I haven't, but I probably should because I'd enjoy it. How grindy/tedious is teambuilding in mariomon? At any rate, I'm only discussing actual pokemon games, not fan content. Cool romhacks with difficult battles are not what drive the massive sales of pokemon plushies>Pokemon being casual is what I like about the seriesI've been in the thread for hours (I'm such a dedicated ykw fan, as you can tell) and I think you finally, finally hit the bedrock of the issue. Casuals like pokemon because its casual, easy to beat, and easy to collect cool and wacky mons. I would argue that yo-kai watch does this too, which is why it was successful for a time, but pokemon did it first in the 90's and apparently the recipe for success never changes. They were first to the market, and have had the biggest presence ever since as a result. That's why they're successful, and every thing else that anons have attributed is just icing on top. Of course, the games themselves have to be at least a playable product, if that needed clarifying.
>>727734180>this guy hasn't read the Gastly-line lorelmao
>>727734401Obviously. I wouldn't be asking if I did you retard.
>>727734401fuck the ghastly line, where my banettebros at?
>got the free medal with fleshy souls>could never use it for anything aside from the qr code on the back because the toy watch was never in stock ANYWHEREFuck this series
>>727734392>I would argue that yo-kai watch does this too, which is why it was successful for a timeYou aren't even wrong. It didn't really hit off with its debut but it fucking killed it when 2 released. Then again, they released like four fucking versions or whatever. Sold about 3 times what 1 sold. Some people attribute it to the anime casting more eyes on the series. Not sure if it's true, but I'd agree it had at least SOME impact.
>>727734392>How grindy/tedious is teambuilding in mariomon?Mints exist for natures, EV building is easy since you can check the Pokedex for what gives what EVs, and you get an infinite Rare Candy to use if you want. Team building isn't hard at all. If you want to do it legitimately without the Infinite Rare Candy it's an immense chore though, nothing gives good EXP and the highest Captures are like 60s. You'd have to do the Elite Four rematch battles over and over and it's not exactly consistent to beat them.
>>727734401>>727734469
>>727734487Nigga, you could have just imported.
>>727734678anon, I was like 12
>>727734487I had the opposite problem, the Watch was constantly in stock so I got one easily but none of the Yo-Motion medal packs were easy to find whatsoever. The only time I saw them at all was when Gamestop was clearancing them out and even then I think I got like three blind packs? The Medal Moments figures outside of the first batch also didn't exist. I wanted Wiglin's crew and Shogunyan but they never seemed to exist.>>727734678Western medals have different pins.
>>727686448Amerilards have regressed into being 19th century puritans. The so-called rebellious Gen Z and Alpha have stuck it to The Man by being even more censorious and pearl-clutching than their Greatest Generation grandparents.
>>727734840Didn't they do some weird shit with the latest "medals" (keys, keystones, whatever the fuck) where you have to scan them with the IR sensor to actually use them in games? Some shit about preventing Amiibo rippers and leakers or whatever
>>727687396>And btw, Beauty and Sleazy are not the same thing. Yokai is Sleazy, old man perv jokes like cumming or shaking ass. Misty was always portrayed as beautiful. Can't expect a pron-destroyed mind to understand the difference though.How do republicans manage to take showers while being such pearl-clutching imbeciles? Do you jump in the shower fully-clothed in hopes you don't see yourself being "Sleazy"? Jesus fucking christ I bet you use a masturbation cross into your 30s. >W-WAIT THAT GUY ISN'T LIKE ME!! HE'S ON THE LEFT! You're still a screeching retard screaming because a cartoon could be too enticing.
>>727686590It was banned in America but everyone downloaded the subbed version. Yes, the piss-yellow subs recorded from VHS
>>727735036In YW3 Overseas, they made one final update that made bootleg QR codes not work right so that people can't scan in OP Yo-kai or high quality items
>>727687396>And btw, Beauty and Sleazy are not the same thing. Yokai is Sleazy, old man perv jokes like cumming or shaking ass. Misty was always portrayed as beautiful. Can't expect a pron-destroyed mind to understand the difference though.You are mentally ill. You're a grown-ass man and can't laugh at jokes kindergarteners would get.
>>727734147yep that was me>Has to be since that's the only other guy saying it doesn't count because people don't care.in an argument about pokemon's popularity, yes, the opinions of the casual fanbase matteras for the guy who btfo'd me, and you can believe me or not, but I actually did not see his two replies, I'll go and address him after this post. Call me a lying fag if you don't see a response to them in the next fifteen or so minutes, deal?>I think the problem here is that you don't understand the word "mechanic" means.Perhaps I mispoke then and that's why there's confusion. What I should have said is that different pokemon interact with the game's mechanics differently. Two different pokemon can both use the same move, tackle, but those pokemons' different types, abilities, etc. are what provides depth to the system. Does that sound more clear?>No, it doesn't have anything to do with it beyond adding variety let me explain it like this. There's one Mon in the game, one ability let's say intimidate, the four moves it can learn are, fly, earthquake, thunder and swords dance and it's normal flying.The variety is the point when it comes to monster collecting, as you mentioned. If every pokemon in the game was this same pokemon, then you'd have every mechanic present, sure, but I don't think that battles would be as enjoyable (unless you like Gen1 OU, which is fine)>jibanyan vs kiwinyanI'd have to break out my game to double check, but, off the top of my head, kiwinyan is a B rank yokai (i think) and jibanyan is d rank. That alone affects their loaf chance in battle. For example, if you were a gambling man, you'd bring the stronger kiwinyan, despite his higher chance to skip an action, but if you were more conservative, you'd bring the weaker jibanyan who is more likely to act every single turn.
Where's air man when you need him
>>727694353It's not butthurt, he is the victim of a 2000 year old psyop campaign to fear humor and his own body. It's not his fault.
>>727735036All of the games had a thing where you could scan the QR codes on the medals to get a Crank-A-Kai coin. Though in 3 there was a thing where there was a fuck ton of unofficial QR codes so you could scan in 800 masterball fruits. And an update made them all not work. And you didn't want to uninstall it because it added lotto tickets to this one shop, so if you want to brute force the lottery, you had to grind with it installed.
>>727687396>Yokai is Sleazy, old man perv jokes like cumming or shaking ass.Because James having big fuck-all tits was apparently them trying to condition you into thinking men were beautiful, right?
>>727735610He probably actually thinks that. We have worse puritans on /v/ than the people who dubbed for 4kids.
they didn't even trypokemon has a manga, anime, movies, video games, mobile games, trading card game, toys, merchandise, clothing, food, porn, collaborations, copycats, spinoff brands, and soon a theme parkhow do you even compete with that
>>727735853Palworld can compete with it, legally even, and it's a fuckin' indie gameFeel like Yo-Kai Watch could learn a thing or two
>>727721612My favorite Yo-Kai of all time is Wobblewok, but I also got massive soft spots for Leadoni, Benkei, Asura, D'Wanna (this one is largely predicated on a fond memory with a friend regarding it), and Kyubot.
>>727735853Are you just ignoring that chunk of time Yo-kai Watch was so huge in Japan, every kind of kids' media over there was in the red? Like it obviously didn't last, but it won for a while.
>>727678631>Pokemon ZA had a budget of 13 million>the whole city is a single asset, so optimization is impossible
>>727721612I've only personally played 1 and dabbled in 2 and Y Academy but out of that group>Shogunyan>Wobblewok>Wiglin>Noko>>727735994For you friend.
>>727735958>Palworld can compete with it, legally evenClearly not if they're not only only relevant due to pokemon and are currently in a legal battle where they keep on getting btfo'd.
>>727735958Piss World can't even compete in court
>>727736115Pirate 3 already. It's the best one.
>>727736115Thanks, good fanart of this guy is a bitch to find because I can't speak a lick of moonrune
>>727712965>>727720056Madhouse >>>>>>
>>727735853Yokai Watch had every single thing you just listed at its height. All of it. Level-5's issue is that once any IP they have at all takes hold they instantly milk it into the ground instead of keeping it alive with natural release schedules and hype. Layton is a great example of this.With regards to YW>The sheer amount of roleplay toys they had and the release schedules they had makes Tokusatsu shows blush.>They had a gacha seemingly ever month get released and then EoS three months later.>They would release multiple versions of games and then occasionally release an updated version several months later like PS, Sukiyaki, and 4++.>Events everywhere in Japan with Jibanyan everywhere.>Jibanyan in general got so many clones he usurped what took Pokemon like eight gens to do for Pikachu in one single game.>>727736210I've got them all, I just need to get off my butt and be in a mood. As it is I still need to grind out Pandanoko in 1 and I don't have it in me.>>727736223https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/どんどろ/artworks
>>727736139>>727736181>keep getting btfo'd>apparently Nintendo getting fucking rejected by a patent court is them btfo'ing their opponent nowAre you high or just mentally unwell?
Level 5 makes good kino collection games
>>727736535Why the hell would yyou 100% any of these games? Haven't you seen those 2 "getting a meta team without cheating" videos? Shit's a fool's errand.
>>727736783>Why the hell would yyou 100% any of these games?I never said I was smart. I even wrote a guide for 1 when I was doing it so others wouldn't have to suffer like I did. Reversette was torture man, pure torture. Then I got like five from Crank-a-kai. Pandanoko is all I have left in YW1 for 100%.
>>727729964>All of them except for probably combos?sorry, what would have been more apt to say is "how many of these mechanics are relevant in a given playthrough" everything pales in comparison to how dominating the type matchup system is (or whichever generational gimmick is present)>Anon, it means the game isn't going to be tedious nor do you as the player have the same sense of disappointment you would get from another tamer series where you go up against an enemy version and it's stronger than it actually is.my lmao even was referencing how overpowered the player is in pokemon (due to switch style and exp share). I actually agree with your point a lot. Every opponent that you fight has access to the same resources that you do (besides totem pokemon or horde battles or something). however, I've always thought that "unfair" advantages for opposition pokemon would be a welcome change, in the interest of making things more challenging. If you value freedom of choice/the accessibility to say "Cool, I can tame/capture that boss enemy" then that's a fine preference and a point in favor of pokemon>STAB and abilitiessee above about relevance. I didn't mean to argue that STAB does not exist until a postgame unlock, but rather that it is overshadowed by type matchup in the majority of situations. I'd say the same about abilities, though, you are right that there is improvement here. I think abilities are becoming more unique in recent entries which is good for diversity.It was boring when every fish had swift swim slapped on them. You could say that intentionality is what I judge highly (and I think that swift swim was just spacefiller) I want intentional decisions made by the devs for a curated and engaging gameplay experience. Engaging battles that force the player to strategize, while still allowing them to exercise the freedom to teambuild which is inherent in the genre, would be the perfect pokemon experience.
They didn't have to make Insomi so sexy. But they did. And that's why we love them
>>727686829Holy fucking based.
>>727699361Even Nintendo/Game Freak got scared of Yokai Watch. For a brief time, it really was a threat to Pokemon.
>>727736139>>727736181>btfo and it hasn't even gotten anywhere besides being a tiebreaker currently also thats if palworld can somehow make a comeback and make amends with everyone which i highly doubt but we will have to see for their full release they're update was uninteresting but was and meh qol in my opinions
>>727730201>Anon, only about 13, including mythicals, before hidden abilities were added had it.sheesh, ok. Not every single legendary then. I was being hyperbolic. And yeah, hidden abilities make pokemon more unique and allow for more variety and free expression in teambuilding. Great! The prevalence of pressure being copypasted frequently was obviously an issue though, which is why they had to take measures to address it and improve the game. And I acknowledged this improvement>battle systemsgood point, I guess that I took that variety for granted. Still, I'd like to see the breakdown of how much this variety is utilized in-game. If memory serves, there's like 3 rotation battles in B/W. So, again, how much is the average casual fan interacting with these things? If pokemon is so popular due to all of these unique battle modes, then how well are they utilized in-game? Does your average fan even know what a rotation battle is?>greymon vs plusle & minunvalid points, although I'm not qualified to comment on digimon. Again, it's not about mechanical complexity, per se, it's about mechanical complexity being the driving force behind pokemon's success and popularity. I don't think that the casual fanbase (which drives pokemon's popularity) gives a shit about minmaxing the plusle/minun balance core.>So the design, ability, amount of evolutions, types, moves etc aren't a factor in your eyes to differentiate them.sure they are, but it'd be better if they were even more different from each other. That variety would play to the strength of the genre. I remember liking a gumshoos for its stakeout ability and toucannon for its signature beak blast. Has the variety improved since? Sure, but pokemon was popular before beak blast, so the uniqueness of each pokemon can't have been the driver for success>Also that's blatant samefagging.I don't think you know what samefagging is. All of the replies to my post were oppositional, not laudatory
>>727735994>>727736115based wok respecters
>>727734147took me a while >>727737057 >>727738539 but here you go
Is that the real Sighborg Y?
Yo-kai Watch is genuinely soulful (There's literally no other game in existence in which a boss will stop a fight just to perform a drum solo), it's just that Level-5 couldn't help themselves from immediately going full retard with it and making a shit ton of games all at once and then burning everyone out on the series.
>>727734147check for yourself and you can see how different they arehttps://yokaiwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Jibanyan>D rank>high speed and attack>fire attribute>lvl 1 technique>inspirit is a debuff that lowers enemy speed>soultimate is a screen-wide multiattack>ability is basically pokemon's moxie>soul item gives moxie to the holderhttps://yokaiwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Kiwinyan>B rank>high defense>earth attribute>lvl 2 technique>inspirit is a defense buff to allies>soultimate is meant to attract attacks and tank the damage>ability gives allies soul meter when it dies>soul item fills the soul meters of adjacent alliesIf anything, you could say that strawbnynan is the clone because it is fire attribute. But, even then, strawbynyan is a spirit attacker that can give speed buffs, while jibanyan is a physical attacker
>>727740359It really was.
>>727678441>the only way to keep a Yo-kai watch thread alive, is by baiting pokefags and palfags into fighting each other.
>>727678441seriously tho, what made people can`t get enough of pokemon? every pokemon killer came and went
Blasters T was so fucking cool. I get why no one has attempted to do it again, but someone really should.
>>727743269Palworld is still around
>>727678631outside of the games yeah, pokemon company knows how to train loyal cattle
>>727743419palworld isn't even officially out. it's still early access.
>>727743269Nostalgia, being casual friendly, and a fuckton of marketing.
>>727743472nta buts its still a alternative even if it's not the best one
>>727679770This. Nintendo wants to give support but game freak says for Nintendo to eat shit every time. It literally was in the leaked documents. The games are ass because game freak has unironically an inflated ego with this franchise. They want to do everything themselves.
>>727743540Not any of the previous anons, so is Digimon, and that one's the same genre.
>>727743643true but i prefer some other monster tamers i just prefer palworld as an alternative to my spectrobe itch Za got way to boring after around my 60th-50th royale battle or mega battle just spamming the same moves and doing the same dodging pattern which got really repetitive for me but my true pokemon alternative is playing cobblemon even if /vp/ or /v/ hates it
nibba
>>727743540the alternative is Yokai Watch 4. play it.
post the gay robot cat
>>727700797Multiple anons in here have been saying that the pokemon anime was good, they are nostalgia blinded. Shit was so cheaply animated it made hanna barbera slop from the 70s look good
>>727686829>дaвaйlmao
>>727733982Honestly you guys are just thinking too hard about it. It was ultimately just a fad. It ended up getting a really popular anime that Japanese kids liked and that made them interested in the game. Kids lose interest in things quickly though and Yokai Watch just fell out of popularity because of it.
>>727699592>Pokemon puts out new games and generations once every couple of years as a carefully curated launchIt's funny you say this because from the leaks it seems like we're about to get fucking flooded with Pokemon games now that they've decided to make Legends a real series. We have Legends this year, Gen 10 next year and then following that is the multi-region online game, another Legends game and then Gen 11.
>>727747803Pokemon had an asston of spinoffs on the DS and Gamecube/WiiI think the Legends games are just filling in the space in a release schedule that used to go to shit like Pokemon Ranger and Colosseum
>>727721612Call me a basic bitch, but Komasan is always my favorite. The runnerups for me are Kyubi, Krystal Fox, Whisper, Kyubot, Mee2, Usapyon, and Espy.
>missed the Yokai Kino threadFuck me
>>727722443Damn I love that Jibanyan pic
>>727722443source of the image???
>>727678631>pokemon has quality controlBait or not, I really needed a good laugh. Thanks, Anon.
>>727686829>>727679538Basically Doraemon but with ghosts and monster pals instead of one cat robot thing?
>>727747429>muh animationretard
>>727679538Reminder that this girl is a serial brapper.
>>727723913ZA and SV are both fucking putrid dogshit
>>727725587I'm not even considering getting this for a Shitch 2, I'll get it for PC
>>727750463i dont remember asking?. did u just suddenly start seething from seeing my post? what's with the sudden outburst? lol.
>>727750621SV and ZA are rancid horseshit
>>727750736lol. reminder both Pokemon z-a and metroid prime 4 sold really well despite your constant seething. stay mad.
>>727701768I've been meaning to put the anime on since forever
>>727678441>yokai being a local cultural thing come with 666 layers of private jokes and "we-don't-need-to-explain-this" stuff>most yokai are utterly fucking retarded design & concept-wise
>>727678441Took too long to add mermother
>>727678441Pokemon started by having very universal appeal. Yes, the anime had extremely Japanese visuals and scenes, but the games themselves had nothing like that.Charmander and Squirtle? They resemble things from real world. Of the starters Bulbasaur was most out there, and even games/show went out of their way to say "nobody knows if Bulbasaur is plant or an animal" which worked.Obviously some Pokemon were references to specific things, like Abra line, or Mr Mime, but they fairly universally understood concepts, and surrounded by stuff like fire dog, rock snake or weird duck.Meanwhile Yokai Watch had stuff like pic related. Some things are just too niche to catch on with wider audiences.
Too kino for normies. Of course they would prefer factory produced Pokemon n55 over yokai.
>>727754069Too kino for normies...Too kuso for niche players...No audience available...
>>727686829I've seen porn OCs more subtle than thisWould
This thread is still up? I'm impressed :)>>727735994>>727736115This guy is cool I just wish grinding for ghostly goo in ykw2 wasn't a pain just to recruit him.>>727747953What a happy fella. I like him and the koma knomads as well.
>>727736645>having unrelated patents be "rejected" is getting btfo'd>having all of your arguments shot down in court because you don't know the difference between concept and mechanic while also using the little bitch defence aka "it's too difficult to understand!" to buy time, isn't.
>>727743540Palworld isn't an alternative anon.
>>727678631>but pokemon has quality control>the worst pokemon game is still 8/10 in actual ratingOkay, this is pretty funny.
>>727678441I miss YW4 and the next generation reincarnation of an ancient oni princess bullshit was a fucking mistake
>>727681319^ A Pedophile made this post, trying to shield themselves from suspicion and deflect accusation by being the one to accuse. Thou doth too readily protest too much.
Americans only Yokai Watch black men fuck their wives.
>>727678631>pokemon has an army of retards who will gladly eat whatever slop comes outYes
>>727717086>>727717786>Sold more.>It's reviewed better.Shhh, no tears now, only dreams....
>>727759116>15m>more than 25m
>>727734401>he a goast dat wuz borne out of ded pokeyman Das sad, mayne
>>727678631>all these assmad repliesIf you play other monster taming games you’ll find it immediately obvious why Pokemon wins
>>727735610This is the image that caused actual autistic genetic deadends to think "hey, I could become a big titted girl and everyone would love me then, instead of calling me a shithead in school!"Pokemon to trannydom pipeline is real.
>>727724912I love how the never responded to this one like the giant pussy he is
>>727681103so?
>>727763284So, if you keep buying mainline GameFreak "games" you enable them to keep doing the bare minimum, releasing empty, open worlds which are basically a rough translation of their 2D games to 3D. The difference is that they're even more bugged and barebones, since they know they don't even need to try to make a more mechanically and story-wise compelling game. Nintendo, meanwhile, uses their army of lawyers to scathingly attack any game that could become a rival to their slop. Their tendie streamers and YouTubers act like their attack dogs that, hearing a Nintendo whistle, will agree to and defend any action taken by the billion dollars company - at the same time giving 10/10 scores to the shamefully bad slop.
