He would've been more memorable if they hadn't cut the baby smash
>>727685005It was at this point I completely stopped caring about anything resembling a story or questline in these games
>>727685058t. ignorant slaveI don't blame you though
>>727685005OCELOOOOOOOOOOOOTTE
>WOw it's another roll again and again..and again and again and again boss.DS3 is so forgettable.
>>727685005they didint cut it tho. it can be heard and he does it.
It'll be 10 years in 4 months btw
>>727685058The thing that disillusioned me was Ringed City.
>>727685989pigment of the blood of the dark soul(edible)
>>727685920
Thr only coherent story we got was elden ring, and even that was a mess
>charges into your face
>>727686260nah man there's a magic ring that nobody's capable of wielding that can save the world and you're the only dude who can control it so go kill a bunch of bad guys and become the ruler of reality bro
>>727685648LIQUIIIIIIIIIID
>>727685058I have never ever cared about fromsoft's retarded attempts at storytelling and I've been playing since DeS. Loretubers and their lorelet cattle disgust me. The only settings fromsoft has made with intriguing story were yharnum and Ashina. Sekiro really wasn't too interesting but the novelty of fromsoft teling a straightforward narrative for once was too great to pass up. I had zero nostalgia for DS1 despite it being my favorite game for many years. The lands between and its denizens can eat a dick for all I care. Of all the worlds and lore though I cannot imagine devoting even an iota of attention to cash grab 3. It's very existing is insulting.
>>727686260Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne and Sekiro all told very coherent stories.Elden Ring was coherent but very weak by comparison, in my opinion.
>>727686627I'm sorry to say this anon but you're just not all that smart an individual.
>>727686627Fromsoft has actually gotten worse at telling stories, to the point where I'm pretty sure they just aren't anymore. DeS and DS1 are very straightforward stories that pretty clearly lay out what's going on and what you're supposed to do. DS2 already started getting bad, because by that point From had become exposed to the retarded drones that were their western fans, as well as the early "loretubers", and started catering to them, despite that entire crowd fundamentally misunderstanding their own games. Bloodborne was kind of up its own ass in some ways, but fairly straightforward as well, Sekiro was fine, but DS3 and Elden Ring are fully off the deep end, where they don't even pretend to tell a story anymore.
>>727686627The settings themselves are extremely empty, but I still think the bosses look cool and I wanna know their deal. It's like a Boba Fett situation where your imagination does literally all of the heavylifting. All you need is a provocative design
>>727686853100% agree. I will never shit on fromsoft's visual design skills and artistic vision. They have been making beautiful art consistently for years. That is their true greatest strength. I just won't extend that praise where it does not apply which is their lore and characters.
>>727686737>Elden Ring was coherentElden Ring couldn't even be arsed to give your character a fucking motivation at the start. Dark Souls was probably the best overall. Wonderfully simple on the surface: Undead are a problem due to a curse, you're undead, all undead are left to rot in this shitty asylum, naturally you want to escape. Here's a dude who sets you free and tells you of a way to rid yourself of this curse. Easy peasy. Ring the bells, here's a weird snake to tell you more. Digging into the lore faggotry actually gave you immediately relevant and interesting context about what you're doing and what's actually going on, but it gave you all the story you needed.Elden Ring doesn't explain what grace is, why there are shambling hollows all over the place, what you're supposed to be doing... hell, it doesn't even fucking explain what the elden ring is. It just shows a powerpoint that explains nothing while spewing names at you, and farts you into the world as quickly as possible. It's slop in the most literal sense. It's the equivalent of Fromsoft walking buy and slapping a ladle of slop into the trough. "It's an empty world filled with zombies, kill bosses, get the four big plot devices they drop, you know the fucking drill". It's so careless.
>>727686260lol, elden ring is open world slop and its story is dogshit.dark souls chads will always be your superiors.
>>727685005Who was this weirdo supposed to be originally, before From ran out of time, cut and pasted him into another arena, and gave him some random incoherent backstory to explain why he is in some rando dungeon?
>>727686627>>727685058Yeah I dunno, I've played every Souls game other than Bloodborne (not on PC) and I can safely say I really don't even know or understand the story for any of them past the mechanical steps the game requires me to take. The crazy part? I read NPC dialogue, I don't mash through it. I read some of the lore entries on items, I listen to the cutscenes, but I just have no idea what is going on. I just kill shit.
>>727685005It literally wasn't cut.
>>727685895>>727688680There is no meat sploosh in the game and you can hear the baby crying after he does it
>>727686260I don't understand Elden Ring dicksuckers poking their heads out in a lore thread of all things. It has the least coherent setting of any of these games while the story is just as vague and simplistic. I have no sense of what the Lands Between even is. It's just abstract video game bullshit. There's no history, there's no sense of what things might've been like before things went bad,
>>727688426DeS isn't on PC but it's probably the best one in terms of having a dead simple story you can actually follow, and a fleshed out setting that does the heavy lifting.
>>727687196>Elden Ring couldn't even be arsed to give your character a fucking motivation at the start.Your motivation is either seek the Elden Ring or drop the game, which in that world means you lose Marika's grace and become another mortal jobber Tarnished with now prospects like Rogier or Hoslow.
>>727688078Dark Souls level design is dogwater. No one likes to walk around mossy stone corridors for 10 hours.
>>727685005Memorable, yes. But a good boss, no. His design in the second phase is just unfair with how high damage he puts out and how fast he becomes.
itt: ignorant slaves
>>727686275>gets stuck against tree geometry while your SL1 shoots arrows until he dies
>>727686627Gigabased and true.
>>727692437I played DeS, but I played it for my cousin's PS3 and I don't remember the story much, I remember more of the bosses and levels.
>>727686627I used to lorefag pretty hard until I started learning more about the development of these games and realized the plot of them was basically always a hackjob made of hastily rearranged elements that were themselves constantly being rewritten up to release (and sometimes beyond). Like Fromsoft clearly does not design the world according to a central plot, they have a vague concept of a world and then they just write a story around whatever is left on the table at the end of their development cycle. Youtube channels like BonfireVN, Zullie the Witch, and Sekiro Dubi and other things that catalog changes to dialog and items and the like disillusioned me with caring about the plots of these games with how well they document the massive shifts and inexplicable cut content even within the beta files still left in the games at release. Its one thing to rewrite a plot before release, its another for players to be able to see the merry-go-round of names and roles that NPCs play or what proper nouns apply to what topics or characters.
Dark souls 3 is easily the worst fromsoft third person action rpg
>>727693664DS3 is the first Souls game with good gameplay. If only you could actually jump.
How well does Bloodborne emulate now? Pic unrel.
>>727692840>10 hoursYou can beat Dark Souls in less than 20 minutes, retard
>>727694239You can if you read a guide and are somehow extremely naturally talented at the game or have played the game a dozen times. Your first playthrough is not going to be like that. At 10 hours you're knee deep in the Depths, provided you didn't get distracted by the Catacombs or Darkroot. But both the Catacombs and Dark Root suck as levels.
>>727693369I don't think that really takes away from them. I think digging through all of the cut content and making conclusions from that, and the entire cottage industry of lore youtubers or whatever the fuck, is a really unfortunate perversion of the discourse people naturally get when they engage with fiction. But the games themselves don't need definitive answers for things. They can still present very compelling settings and interesting ideas to dissect for the fun of it. Disillusionment from the creative process feels like a completely misguided way to approach stories. Instead of stoking your imagination, trying to divine some kind of concrete physical truth out of fantasy is a very futile pursuit.
>>727686260Demon Souls, Dark Souls 2, Sekiro, and Bloodborne have coherent stories and plots. Ds1 and 3 and Eldering are a complete mess in that regard.
>>727696534Dark Souls 2 makes no sense. The game never gives you a reason to do any of the things you do.
>>727686260Why does everyone conveniently ignore AC6? The story and the character were pretty strong in that game, at the cost of it being linear.
>>727693369The problem is that I admire the craftmanship. Even more so that the lore is written before the cuts, and often survives the cut and remix after the crunch snaps. That said, we are at Souls game 5 at this point.And DS3 is blatantly unfinished, which is most likely why they doubled down on importing models. And DS2 is built directly on the corpse of the would never be finished King Fields V.>>727696534>>727697223DS2's story is very coherent. Super zombie tries to dodge Zombie Alzheimers, and succeeds. The lore is however 3 distinct corpses sewn together with visible seams.
>>727698249Because it's not a Souls game.
>>727698521What the fuck are you talking about? You start the game with Alzheimer's. You never cure it. In fact the game doesn't really explain what taking the throne does. Or why you bother with it.
>>727698797>You never cure it.:)
>>727698593Oh well, fair enough.
>>727686627The funnest part of these games for me is piecing together what I can of the story and lore and having my imagination build on that. Just because you personally don't enjoy that part doesn't mean that they're doing something wrong and should change their style to cater to you personally.
>>727687196>Elden Ring couldn't even be arsed to give your character a fucking motivation at the start.I agree and I think they've struggled with this in most games (Outside of DS1, Bloodborne and Sekiro which were all pretty strong story-wise). They did the exact same powerpoint of HERE'S A BUNCH OF DUDES AND INFORMATION THATS IMPOSSIBLE TO PARSE AT THIS POINT that they did in DS3 and I found that pretty terrible and probably the weakest part of the game.The rest of the story is decent and I found the entire concept of a magical artifact that controls the laws of the universe that can be rearranged to suit the whims of whoever's in charge, and has been reconfigured countless times in previous eras to suit other ruling dynasties interesting and compelling but they did almost nothing explicit with it.
>>727686627I like piecing together shit even if I am wrong, I mostly use feels and boss design. It's fun. I'm almost always wrong, none of my ideas or thoughts match up to what lorefags think so I don't discuss or read lore. Like I thought that the Celric Beast was warding people away from cathedral ward to not perpetuate the nightmare, that Yharnam is a nightmare realm and we never see the real world, or that Godrey sounded resentful to that lion on his back, or that Miquella is just as much of a power mad asshole as anyone else, or that the fag princes were right.
