When will this kayfabe of OoT being the best game of all time finally end? The game is dated with plenty of problems.
>>727696775what game do you think is #1?
>>727696775Ocarina of Time is immortal, brother. Just like Hulk Hogan. Zoomies seething
Never, eventually Nintendo WILL do a proper remake of it and it'll be heralded as the greatest game of all time for another 25 years.
>>727697064I do not know but it certainly is not OoT
>>727697259you should have an answer otherwise this is just a bait engagement thread
BotW is better than OoT
Were the Gerudo intended to be muslims in all but name?
Its amazing how the water temple gets universal hatred from even the most diehard fans yet people will still call this the best game of all time.
>>727696775Considering that zoomers cannot make games for their lives... never!
>>727697327Maybe on Planet Stasiak
>>727696775
>>727697064That's subjective but what's objective is BotW is superior in practically every way
>>727696775I really do believe this is the best game I've ever played, and I replayed it just a few months ago. Only ever played it around 5 times since 2001 when I first beat it. It's the same every time.What a damn good game.
>>727697643>their leader repeatedly kidnaps a minor and wants to defile and ruin a beautiful Aryan kingdomYeah probably.
shit threadOoT is the greatest game of all time and will be for life.
>>727699304Botw does not adapt the hero’s journey nearly as effectively as Oot.
>>727696775It's not dated, but that's because the game sucked back then too. PS1fags and PCfags and even Segafags had much better games to play in 1998.
>>727699819Subjective claim. If OoT is superior post a video that showcases why it's a better game than this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99iUK141o2o#t=72
>>727700079nigger brain
>>727697327A 'make your own fun' game will never be better than a carefully crafted narrative.
>>727696775OoT is the best game of all time and I don't know what zoomer nonsense "kayfabe" means.
>>727700141Can't prove your claim, huh? Didn't think so.
>>727700318nigger brain
People are already tired of the BOTW format. It took twenty years for that to happen with Oot's formula.
>>727700206Well, I'll eat crow here. Apparently it's a wrestling term and not some dumb shit the kids say. However, OP is still a faggot.
>>727699819BotW covers the later half of the heroes journey far better than OoT does. OoT never dealth with grief, the cost of heroism or failure in any manner, the end of the game has you go back in time to undo all of Ganondorf's evil before it occurs. The story lacks impact and actions in it bear no weight.In BotW you had friends in the champions, you had pride in your kingdom, you had a home and a family and lost it all in the Calamity. You awake in the ruins of your home and meet the spirts of your dead friends and have to live with the pain of what it cost to fight evil every day for the rest of your life. At the end of it all, you refused to die and even with your memories gone you never lost the courage to continue to fight for you lost land and people. You manage to save the only thing you had left - Zelda herself, and you two then settle down to live in a house together to try and rebuild your shattered kingdom.BotW is a far better story with actual impact, OoT is a whimsical tale of a child leaving home but there are no stakes and no consequences. The game is far too toothless to be considered one of the greats.
>>727700079Why do I need to post a video when I can argue it in my own words? Link is an established hero in botw. He has to remember things that are already TRUE about himself. Oot tells a story about a boy that loses innocence and that is also shown in the landscape of the world. The poisoning of the Deku tree has a real impact on Hyrule that can be physically seen and it changes Link. Ganondorf isn’t just a force of nature like Calamity Ganon is. He’s an actual person that inflicts real suffering on the world and its people. Oot Link grows to overcome it by living through it, seeing it first hand, and sharing in the pain of the world’s inhabitants. The landscape of botw shows the calamity to great effect, but no one is truly impacted by the castle. They go on their merry way and are fairly jovial. Link is simply told he has to be the hero and that it’s his responsibility. He didn’t grow into it. That’s to say nothing about how barebones and copy pasted each champion is compared to the sages.
>>727700380That arguably speaks to how bad Zelda games were before BotW considering OoT sold less than half of what BotW did in 27 years compared to BotW making all of its sales in less than a third of that timehttps://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda
>>727700745you should have spent your time addressing >>727700576 instead, never mind you're still arguing a subjective matter
>>727696775Once the next game comes out
>>727696775>>727699685>>727700206Good but I'm perpetually butthurt over the fact that the superior game constantly gets sidelined by it just because people putting both OoT and MM on the same list seems "too much".I'm especially pissed off this directly causes Nintendo to not want to iterate on MM's concepts.
>>727702980>Nintendo to not want to iterate on MM's concepts.Nobody does. It was too high effort for an industry now focused on pandering to low IQ chimps and women.
>>727696775Never, it's just that good.
>>727700434>Kayfabe is the portrayal of staged elements within professional wrestling as legitimate or real. Although it remains primarily a wrestling term, it has evolved into a code word for maintaining the pretense of "reality" in front of an audience.I still don't really get it. Sounds to me like the 67 or whatever nonsense.
>>727703347For as much as people glaze MM I'm suprised there hasn't been a trend of "majora like indies"
>>727700576>muh narrativeread a fucking book then, games are meant to be played. I'm tired of games crawling up their own ass over what will always be at most mid writing.
ALTTP is the best 2d Zelda. MM is the best 3d one. This is obvious if you have a brain a dick and two balls.
People don't want to let go of the narrative. It makes them feel comfortable in their delusions for this game to endlessly have the title of GOAT video game.
>>727699304>Weapon durability.
>>727697064
>>727705597Subjective. If weapons were unbreakable there'd be no need to switch things up, you'd simply pick up the best sword and never use anything else. Having to worry about your weapon "running out" means you're always on the lookout for good drops.
>>727700745>That’s to say nothing about how barebones and copy pasted each champion is compared to the sages.There's nothing to say in that regard because it's a figment of your imagination.
>>727697064OP here.TLOU part 2
>>727697310>you should have an answer otherwise I can't pick apart that other game and dismiss your criticism of OOTFuck off.
>>727697064Genshin Impact obviously.
>>727705864Then OoT stands as the best game of all time until you can suggest a replacement.
>>7277065203 games have already been named in this thread with zero rebuttal
>>727701105>>727705752Quality is subjective. There is no objective best game of all time. You sound like a retard.
>>727706769Which one did you post?
>>727706817You're wrong. The best 3d game ever made is Majora's Mask and the best 2d is Chrono Trigger.
>>727706817>There is no objective best game of all timeCorrect, which makes >>727706520 even sillier for arguing OoT for that title>>727706883None of them. I'm also not the guy >>727706520 is responding to.
>>727707034Have a good day then.
>>727696775>>727697064>>727697259>>727705864What was the point of this thread exactly?
>>727696775What a jabroni. If you were remotely serious, you would have come with YOUR number one contender and an actual case of why they're better. Or even the invitees to the fatal fourway. You hold that OOT is getting called the best, so you must defeat it cleanly. Just throwing up a name and whining about some subjective shit isn't going to do it.>>727704038He's saying that the people who think OOT is the GOAT don't actually believe it and are just propping it up for reasons he doesn't go into and we don't care about anyways.
>>727707352I'm assuming OP needs shit for his upcoming video. He's too much of a moron booker to even make an interesting thread, and can't even shitpost interestingly .
>>727696775I'm sick of hearing you crying faggots hate on this game so much. >"T-t-t-t-t-t-t-the game is OLD! it didn't age well!"Shut the fuck up, it is the same song and dance every single time with you retards. Wanna know the best game of all time? Whatever the fuck I decide it is and you can't do shit to change my mind.
OoT is actually that great, and will be for the next 2 decades minHave fun with fortnite zoomer
>>727696775>datedIt was always shit. Anyone who actually played games back then was bored with it immediately.
>>727706883I'll pick a random one for you to focus on>>727705691There. Now explain how it's actually inferior to OOT.
>>727696775Nintendo fans were neglected and/or abused as children.Think about it. When you were a kid and your dad came back home with a PS1, he got it because he knew it had better games. He loved you that much, that he would research what was good or bad, just to make you happy.When you were a kid and had an N64, you know it was because your divorced parent just wanted you to shut up and stop crying."Look, I got you a Nintendo, kids like Nintendo right? Now shut up and let me fuck Chad in peace". A rather common thing heard by Nintendo fans.Every time you went over to their house, they'd look like pic related, while their parents argued over something stupid.It's so sad, they could have had a generational defining experience, but they got indoctrinated in the Nintendo cult instead. Take pity on them, they had no choice on the matter.
>>727700935If you account for console sales, a N64 owner is 23.08% likely to also own OoT. While a Switch owner is 21.65% likely to also own BotW.https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.htmlCrossed referenced with you fandom wiki(lol) data.
Ocarina of Time is considered the best game of all time, but those who believe this cannot cite a single feature of the game that is objectively better than anything else available.I mean, people who believe that Doom 2 (with the right level design), or StarCraft, or Age of Empires, or Baldur's Gate 2, or DodonPachi, or Ikaruga, or Street Fighter 3, or King of Fighters 2002, or Smash Melee, or Tetris Grandmaster 2, or Final Fantasy 7, or Dragon Quest 3, or Metal Gear Solid 2, etc. are the best games in their genres, at least can point to some reason for their opinion. And it's possible to make a good argument for each of these games.Now what do you have to say about Ocarina of Time? You can't say much about the game's combat. You can't talk about the builds and items. You can't talk about the graphics and atmosphere. You can't talk about the narrative and NPCs. You can't talk about dungeon and puzzle design. It's the "best game of all time" that has absolutely NOTHING that stands out, and worse: many of the main gameplay features are blatantly awful.
>>727697064alttp
>>727708319>Ocarina of Time is considered the best game of all time, but those who believe this cannot cite a single feature of the game that is objectively better than anything else available.Don't be stupid anon. There's loads of 'tendie fans with tens of thousands of hours of disection willing to show you their pokemon, just like the other, superb games you mentioned. It's as dumb as that one dude who just said "MASS EFFECT IS BETTER. PROVE ME WRONG OR I WIN" level of argument.
>>727697259>has no opinion beyond basal reptilian emotion>refuses to elaborate
>>727708174Which means what, exactly? That a Switch owner is about 2% less likely to be a rabid fanboy for Zelda? That the Switch has a more diverse library that people who aren't just interested in Zelda would play?
>>727707938It's part 1 of a trilogy with an awful conclusion. Outside of a few fuckable aliens, there is nothing notable about Mass Effect 1.
>>727709223>It's part 1 of a trilogy with an awful conclusion.And? How's that even an argument? What's a negative aspect about the first game itself, anon?
>>727708795>MASS EFFECT IS BETTER. PROVE ME WRONG OR I WINYou asked for a better game and kept ignoring every answer others gave you, now you're calling me retarded for spoonfeeding you.Eat shit.
>>727696775>attempting to argue with the tendie mindvirusyou already lost
>>727709849I'm a differentanon you dumbfuck. You wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best. Pointing to a game and saying >THAT GAME IS Better. isn't spponfeeding. It's barely better than shitposting.You don't deserve any arguments just because you fucking hate OOT that much.>>727710062That's the best part. He's so goddam incompetent at this that even the snoys and steamfags haven't bothered with the companywars.
Finally more people exposing this fraud
>>727705752NTA but weapon durability but with repair items like with the Souls games would have been much better imo. Weapons would need to have a lot more durability and they could have emphasized item usage more to balance out the gameplay.
>>727696775I wouldn't call it the "best" game, and I wouldn't refer to any game as being "the best" as everyone has different tastes, but often I see people conflating "best" with "influential", and if the argument is that "Ocarina of Time wasn't influential on gaming", then you're dead wrong.Target lock-on, circle-strafing around enemies to navigate in three-dimensional space... sound familiar? They all come from this game. Even though Mario 64 technically came out before, Ocarina was way more influential in terms of mechanics that were not just introduced, but maintained throughout gaming history.
>>727697064Dark Souls 1 has a lot more issues than OoT and I won't pretend it doesn't but I would say taken as a whole of its parts its a better than OoT.
>>727696775Don't you guys ever get tired of making the same thread every fucking day?
>>727696775It's not even the best game in the series, Twilight Princess stomps OOT nodif.
>>727710746Who said I hate OOT, fuckface? First post asked for a better game and just ignored all answers. When another guy pointed this out, he demanded to be spoonfed a game because he was just that fucking lazy, so I did him the favor, telling him to shit talk the game because that's what he intended to do in the first place.Read the fucking thread before posting, faggot.
>>727710961Repair items seem like more of a time waste to me. In BotW there are tons of weapons to pick up and use everywhere so I just grab things and use them until they break and just switch to something else whereas weapon repairing means I use my preferred weapon until it gets dull or breaks and then I have to stop to sharpen/repair the weapon or I can switch to another weapon but that just means there's two weapons I have to sharpen/repair later.
>>727709548The fact that it doesn't have an ending
>>727697064witcher 3 wins by default, I don't even like the game that much but if you just look at combined metrics of everything the GOAT should have, witcher 3 is a more complete package than any other contender
>>727697064Super Mario 64
>>727712239LOL
This childish debate of what is the "single best game" should be replaced with titles that were influential and that moved games and their respective genres forward a littleThat's what you should consider the "best video games" to be, not these stupid CRINGE endless bullshit insane childish arguments about YOUR PERSONAL FAVOURITE SINGLE GAME, which is an opinion, not fact; whereas the most influential games are factual, not opinions.Most influential games (and therefore "best games") in no particular order:>Rogue>Pong>Tetris>Pac Man>early MUDs>Asteroids>Zork>Space Invaders>Donkey Kong>Monkey Island>Super Mario Bros. 1 - 3>early Final Fantasy titles>early Dragon Quest titles>Castlevania>Contra>Metroid>Metal Gear 1 + 2>Commander Keen>Hovertank>Wolfenstein 3D>Rollercoaster Tycoon>Dungeon Keeper>Master of Orion>Wing Commander>Populous>Civilization>Legend of Zelda, LoZ II, and LoZ: ALTTP>DOOM>Super Mario 64>Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time>Duke 3D>Quake>Half-Life>Half-Life 2>Half-Life: Alyx>EverQuest>World of Warcraft>Metroid Prime>Metal Gear Solidetc.Not a full list
>>727712015It does, and a pretty great one at that.It just has obvious sequel bait, but so did OOT with Ganon saying he will return one day. ME could have ended after 1 and it wouldn't have felt unfinished.
>>727712797>>Super Mario Bros. 1 - 3What did SMB2 (either version) bring to the table?
>>727696775I think it did a very good job of translating the the formula LttP established into 3D
>>727699304I think BotW is the better game overall but OoT has- better dungeons- better music- better story
>>727713217Always found it interesting that OOT was basically a translation of LTTP into 3D while SM64 barely resembles 2D Mario games.
>>727697172Im a zoomie and I fully agree OoT is one of the greatest games of all time
>>727713415it's pretty funny that they didn't even think of doing that until the 3DS with 3D Land
>>727697327SS is better than BotW and its the weakest 3d zelda.
>>727705714Based as always
>>727713369BotW trades the complex dungeons for the physics based ability puzzles and an open world which is a trade in its favor IMO. BotW's story is more intricate and detailed which I prefer. Zelda music is Zelda music. At the end of the day though most of that is subjective preference and there's simply more diversity and freedom in BotW's game mechanics which makes me believe it's the better game outright.
>>727707676So it is impossible to like the game but also still criticize it for its age and not consider it the greatest game of all time like this stupid gamer audience that also praises shit like The Last of Us 2 as being this cinematic kino masterpiece? Yes this same industry that loves Sony's cinematic slop also has gamers celebrating OoT as the best in the world just because its expected. Like its some sort of universal law you cannot break or some dumb shit.The game is good faggot. That doesn't mean it shouldn't ever be criticized or have its placement as the top game questioned.
Because of how reviews and these sites like metacritic and opencritic work we won't ever see this game get dethroned in the rankings. On metacritic it sits at a 99 which is nearly perfect obviously. It will be impossible for a game to dethrone this. The entire industry will have to conspire to anoint a new game as the best ever.
>>727713110SMB2 absolutely mogs SMB3. SMB2 made me feel like I was on a magical adventure through a foreign land. SMB3 felt more artificial, I guess by design since it's supposed to be a stage play. The platforming is fine, but the atmosphere is trash. Of course I was a retarded child when I made these observations, but I still stand by them today.
>>727713415SM 64 is coming in where the most fundamental rules of analog 3d enviornments and platforming are being developled. Even basic shit like the controler and camera are still heavily and radically changed forever by mario 64. You can compare it to other game like Jumping Jack Flash or RE, or the MKD on the PC side to see that they're still writing the rules as they go here.>>727714531>The game is good faggot. That doesn't mean it shouldn't ever be criticized or have its placement as the top game questioned.Sure, but a gobblygooker like OP isn't going to do that.
>>727707978lol fantastic shitpost
>>727715492You see OP. Now THATS how you shitpost. >>727711567Write shit that's worth responding to and doesn't come off like a great Kali promo. OP blew his cred from the first sentence in the opening post, and still can't string enough complete thoughts together to even get companywars people to shitpost here.>>727714723Something is going to have to be revolutionary AND polished, AND with great, wide appealing gameplay, AND deep and new enough for longtime players. AND get the retarded game journalists along for the ride. I think it would take something like a Half Life 3 VR with AI characters kind of revolution. Even something as seminal as WOW isn't going to get the critic scores high enough.
>>727697064only disingenuous retards ask this questioncase in point >>727697310 and >>727706520it isnt hard to recognize that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of games better than oot. it doesnt matter which one you LIKE best, the question is about quality.
>>727700576That's what majoras mask is for fag and your still wrong
