Anyone else feeling like that? Like the game doesn't entice me enough to play it and I'm kinda sad after 8 years of waiting
>>727698689Metroid is at its best in 2D anyway why are you crying Dread was great
>>727698689No
>>727698761Because prime 1 and 3 were fun as fuck
>>727698932>prime 3You are retarded.
>>727698689why do people even call them dungeons? are they not open areas like in previous games?
>>727699187They're straight lines with the ocassionaly side path that dead ends.
>>727699187It'd the retarded Ocarina of Time fanbase. They think everything is dungeons.
are there any new cool visors to fuck around with?
>>727699754I've been watching footageI think you get the "Psychic Scan Visor" upgrade to the regular scan visor, right at the start of the game, and it acts as both the scan visor and the x-ray visor from past games. And then you don't get any other visors. Unless someone who's played it can prove me wrong.
I like it so far, but I dont get why they say we can go where we want when it's all closed. Got the Fire Chip, and decided to go around to grab what I could from the other dungeons, and none of them are accessible right now.
>>727698761>Dread was great Dread has a lot of the same problems; overly linear/railroaded, has retarded design elements that make the game worse (EMMI vs GF/desert), and the art/music are not nearly as good. Metroid isn't at its best when it's 2D, it's at its best when it focuses on meaningful exploration and good level progresssion which both games fail at
>>727700651Dread's less linear than Fusion. If you've got a problem with its "linearity", you've got a problem with everything but Metroid 1, Super, and Prime 1.
>>727698689All that i learned is that, according to these threads, Metroid has always been shit
>>727698689Wait until you get to the mines. If you're having these feelings now, it legitimately gets worse.
>>727699187No, aside from being corridors they are completely isolated from one another, you have to travel through Gerudo Desert to access them
People kept saying the ice area was cool but so far it's just you get to a stop and there's a bunch of adjacent rooms right next to one another that have some keys in them. The level design is boring.
>>727701537Yes.Problem is giving metroid too much credit naming a genre after it when it. It doesn't deserve that kind of esteem. If it was random trash nintendo game #782 nobody would care about it being this bad.
>>727702031I'm throughly convinced that when someone says an area was great in this game they're purely talking about the visuals. Volt Forge was amazing to look and listen to but fuck me what a boring mess
>>727702140even though the motorcycle shit is corny, I thought it was cute being part of the production line
>>727701537>Dread's less linear than Fusion.Unbelievably low bar, prime 4 is less linear than fusion too but that means nothing >you've got a problem with everything but Metroid 1, Super, and Prime 1.And Prime 2 and Zero Mission
>>727702335Prime 2 railroads you hard, come on.>And (remake of 1)So you only like three games. Come on, man.
>>727704067>Prime 2 railroads you hard, come on.no, it doesn't. You are misremembering. Prime 2 isn't as interconnected as super or prime but each of its individual areas are packed with the free-form semi linear exploration found in the latter; you have a lot more freedom in how you approach the "goals" of each area, not only due to how less constrictive they are in the light realm but also the different paths you can take from the dark world transitions.>And (remake of 1)ZM is so different from the original NEStroid it may as well be considered a different game
>>727704067Prime 2 still has moments where you have to go to another area to continue progress in the current area, like returning to Temple Grounds to get the Seeker Missile or Torvus Bog for the Power Bomb
>>727704252Sanctuary is. Argon Wastes is just as linear as Prime 4, and Torvus Bog is only *slightly* better. Game in general feels less linear than it is because of Dark World backtracking.
>>727704252It's more of a Super romhack than it is 1, desu.
>>727698689The suit is ugly and has shit colors.The music sounds like it was generated from ai 2 gens old.Could care less about graphical fidelity but the designs are uninspired and forgettable. Well I’m off to replay the first 3
>>727698689Post a screenshot from your playthrough
>>727701537>>727702335Just like I enjoy Ratchet 4 more than 3, I'll always be more lenient with Fusion than with the Mercurysteam games because it never puts up the charade of freedom, it tells you what it is from the very beginning. Plus it's got better atmosphere and a RE2 tyrant clone, which I'm surprised no other Metroid has tried except fpr the Emmi kind of.>>727702031It just is the one area in the game with any atmosphere, constant log entries to add to it (which are very sparse in the game), and a feddie that isn't a pain in the ass.
>>7276989322 is the best one
>>727704957I respect your taste, even if I disagree.
>>727704712The music is the one that gets me the most. There are some decent tracks here, but that was the case with Prime 3 too (where I think the standout was actual the Rundas battle and I still love that one). Prime 2 is still the king when it comes to OST, but I was hoping Beyond would at least be able to beat Prime 3 for me in the OST. Not to say the music in Prime 4 is bad because it isn't, it's just not as good as the others in the Prime franchise. Something's just "off".
>>727698689No offense but boredom is kind of the whole point of Metroid Prime. It’s called atmospheric isolation.
>>727704853Sure lmfao
>>727705060I'm ngl it probably is but it kicked my ass so I just kinda like it less as a result lmfoaObjectively it's pretty good
>>727705060>>7277057122 is also one of the few games in the series that can stand wholly on its own. All of its lore is original and self-contained. If it isn't for the fact the Dark Samus story continues and some Metroids make an appearance, it would be 100% new creatures and lore.
>>727704492>Argon Wastes is just as linear as Prime 4, and Torvus Bog is only *slightly* better.not even close>Game in general feels less linear than it is because of Dark World backtracking.dark world is the factor that gives prime 2 the semi-linear progress which makes metroid good>>727704546agree
>>727698689Sorry to hear, I actually just got done with the game and I had a blast. Admittedly the desert grind, and Mckenzie's non-stop chatting anytime you are lost sucks balls.Otherwise, man it really brought me back to the first time I booted MP1 as a kid on the cube. Fucking loved Volt Forge
>>727705963not exactly, chozo are mentioned in the luminoth lore
>>727700518It's literally always been that way in every other MP, I don't know where you guys are getting this idea Metroids are non-liniar, that's only a thing in Super Metroid and Zero Mission
>>727706150I remember, but that's quite a minor detail that could honestly be omitted, and you don't even have to know who they are.
The game sucks
So, if I am getting this right. The lamorn are actually the Metroid Prime, and the one we met in Tallon IV was one of the Lamorn sent to find Samus, and then got corrupted by Phaazon?
>Metroid Prime is the only good Prime game
>>727706196Except that in this one, they tell you to go to whatever one you want. But you have to go to the fire one first, and then go to the mountains. Dont tell me I can choose when I cant.
So should I get this game or not? I played through all the prime games this year in preparation and now I'm just not sure I want to spend 70 if its worse than 3. I didn't think it was possible to be worse than 3
>>727706778For $70, absolutely not. If you don't plan on 100% the game, you don't even get the music in the barren desert unless you pay another $30 separately for the Amiibo.
>>727701537>Dread's less linear than FusionBullshit. Fusion wasn't just linear, it also boxed you in at many points and wouldn't let you return to areas you've already been to.
I was going to blow a NSO voucher on it, but when I went to go do so, it had expired because I forgot they expire in a year. So I'm basically down 50 dollars, don't have prime 4 or any other compatible game, and now I don't want to buy it out of spite. Yes I'm aware it's my fault for not checking and rereading the print, I'm still mad regardless.
>>727698689No not really, I was carried through to the end on pure enthusiasm. It's not as great as I had hoped but it was fun. I think it's marginally better than the first game, but ya'll ain't ready for that conversation.
>>727701537>>727707097>less linearI immediately realized that I misread this sentence. Please excuse my retardation.
>>727698689It feels really linear to me. Like even more than Prime 3. I'm only a couple of hours in, just got done at Volt Forge, please tell me shit gets less railroady soon.
>>727707097So? we're talking about similar structures here. It doesn't matter if you can't leave an area if there's nothing to do.
>>727707120A blessing in disguise
>>727706949>If you don't plan on 100% the game, you don't even get the music in the barren desert unless you pay another $30 separately for the Amiibo.NTA, I can pirate amiibo so what's your excuse?
>>727707224anon...
>>727701537>and Prime 1kek
>>727698689>Metroid game>dungeonsThis is not a Metroid game lmao. It's BOTW with a metroid skin.
>>727706040Argon's progression is a fucking line, it just LOOKS better because it weaves through the same rooms.
Imagine buying a Metroid game and resolving to not 100% it.
>>727699187I've been referring to the world design as "dungeons" since 3 because, I dunno, the design just feels dungeony. I don't even actually dislike that about it, but Prime 3 and 4 feel like Zelda games.
dear tendies,please just accept that the game is bad. you are doing the entire gaming industry a disservice by refusing to admit this and propping up slop. Even if your copium works and the game ends up selling well, all that means is future metroid prime games will all be like this. You have nothing to gain by desperately trying to make yourself believe the game is good.
>>727707324Please anon, say it ain't so. Looking at the map of Green Fury and seeing how much of a fucking straight line I was going in upset me. Looking at the map for Volt Forge and realizing it was a sequence of straight lines just separated into different levels upset me. This cannot be the whole game.
>>727707374agon is the most linear area in prime 2 and it's still notably less so than prime 4's areas. There's still a good amount of intra-connectivity and unguided level progression
>>727707224Just stop playing now and pretend the rest of the game is as "good" as what you've played so far. Don't assume I'm joking, either.
Linearity isn't a problem for metroid gamesBOTWshit is.
>>727707374Much better level design than Prime 1
>>727707536But I was still waiting for the game to get better.
>>727707517If i were in full coping mode i'd say your next area is less linear, but only because it's a straight line with cubicles on the side where you have to enter to search for keys, it certainly didn't make the area any better though, but it seems to be considered the best area in the game so uhm... Try to take anything from it that you can i guess? It won't get any better
>>727707592wrong, overly linear level design has been a big problem for Prime since 2007 and 2D metroid since 2002. There hasn't been a properly semi-linear metroid since ZM/Prime 2 in 2004
>>727700651This meme will never work Prime fat, your series is DEAD
>>727707783Prime 2 isn't semi linear.
>>727707823They're both dead if prime 4 doesn't sell enough. Prime is getting shelved and mercurysteam is about to explode taking 2D metroid with it
>>727707161Its definitely better than Prime 1Just the density of enemies, and improved feel on gunplay alone already does it, design, envinronmental lore is better aswellThere is no place in any other Prime as iconic as Volt Forge, or the Mines
>>727707869yes it is, being semi-linear isn't tied to having a heavy focus on interconnected area (although it does have some of this), each of its areas has the semi-linear progression found in super/prime >There is no place in any other Prime as iconic as Volt Forge, or the MinesSanctuary Fortress and Elysia
>>727707161>>727707962This sounds insane to me. Is this cope? Are you in the honeymoon phase?
>Prime shitters thinking they can throw shade at DreadIs this the bargaining phase?
>>727708015>>727707962
>>727708028no one cares about 3ds tier 2d games
If Prime 2 is your favorite Prime game, then you probably won't like Prime 4.
>>727708094Clearly many people did, it even got nominated to a game award for best game of the year
I just want primes 1-3 remastered with joycon mouse controls.
>>727708209I don't agree with the other guy but 2021 was a poor year for GotY
>>727707962>Minesare you trolling... its a straight line where you flight waves of the same enemies over and over
If you like games at all, then you probably won't like Prime 4.
>>727708015>Sanctuary FortressGreat level, I never liked Elyysia with the constant gay lasso travel desu>Is this cope? Are you in the honeymoon phase?Nope, the game has terrible flaws like the forced tutorials, NPC chatter and the Desert being so soulessOtherwise? On what a 3D Metroid is to me? Its definitely there, and better than before, I had a blast exploring Volt Forge, and the high intensity and urgency of the MinesI am replaying the game now in Hard difficulty
>>727708271Unironically just use PrimeHack.
>>727708274You aren’t fooling anyone buddy
>>727708327>I never liked Elyysia with the constant gay lasso travel desuI think Elysia's level design is the weakest of the three major planets in prime 3 but there's no denying it's iconic due to its environment
>>727708323This is false because if you like Prime 3 you'll also like Prime 4.
>>727707962>Just the density of enemies, and improved feel on gunplay alone already does itEXACTLY, I haven't seen anyone else bring up how it mechanically feels. Just superficial shit. Also the lore I thought was implemented better. Prime 1 lore is just background fluff, but Prime 4 actually has explanations for the things the player is involved in directly.
>>727708327Clanker 1 and 0’s typed this post
>>727708293NTA are you forgetting Phazon Mines in Prime 1? it's a straight combat gauntlet all the way down to the security drone fight. It also continues straight after that to the elite pirate.
>>727698689I feel thatIt's more fun to take a break and come back to
>>727708429Ah yes, the 2 Prime 3 fans out there
>>727708293It's fucking great, probably the first time I've actually had to worry about dying in a 3D Metroid game, it adds a sense of urgency all the other Metroids lack, and could only achieve with a countdown-escape sceneYou know what it reminds me of? AM2R, when you are exploring down into those caves, and find old ancient chozo machinery to use to open the path forwards, I wonder if they took inspiration from that. The levels themselves seem to have a lot more lore, and effort put into them than previous entries>>727708134Prime 2 is my favourite, and I loved MP4. It actually draws a lot of similarities with that ''Exploring that bizarre, beautiful but slightly unnerving alien world and tech'' and the look and design of the desert itself reminds me of the early environmental artwork from the 80sI think you guys need to chill out, and actually play the game and take it for what it is. It is flawed in many ways, but it has the Metroid Prime Soul, that is certain
>>727708209How shameful to remember or even bring that up in a positive light
>>727708440>I haven't seen anyone else bring up how it mechanically feels. Just superficial shit.True my man, how a gun goes pew pew is a lot more important in a Metroid game than the level design and exploration
What even was the point of having metroids that fuse with creatures? It never went anywhere and feels like it could have just been omitted entirely.
>>727707521Visually it looks nonlinear.In practice, it's linear. The player doesn't actually get options.That's the point I'm making.
>>727708580Shill
>>727698689I've got some bad news because you're still in the good part of the game.
>>727708440>>727707962I mean, the feel is quite good, but I don't see density of enemies as a boon, especially when I'm walking back and forth through the exact same hallways every time with no option to take any other route. I also don't really care for how many miniboss encounters there are. I want to explore, but it's clear to see they care less about that and are more focused on combat this time. People always drew parallels between Prime and Halo, and I made arguments for them being stupid, but this game actually does just feel like a typical FPS, boring level design and all.
Metroid Prime was never a good series
>>727707962>terrible open world with nothing interesting>4 separate dungeons with no interconnectivity whatsoever>characters the absolutely shit all over the atmosphere, the single most outstanding aspect of the entire franchise>superficialholy fucking shill
>>727708610Prime 4 has good level design and exploration. There was a thread yesterday where an anon got filtered because they didn't explore Sol Valley.
>>727708624Your point is wrong, there are multiple ways to get around where you need to go in agon in conjunction with the dark world
Bros Nintendy really bringing the turbo bots for this one…
>>727708643>I'm walking back and forth through the exact same hallways every time with no option to take any other route.It's been a mainstay in the franchise, anon. The enemies respawn and you deal with diminishing resources. When the game feels this good mechanically, having some things to shoot is also a plus.
>>727708686>because they didn't explore the seemingly empty and boring fucking desertThis isn't really a point in the game's favor. I want the actual areas to have level design and exploration too.
>>727708391It is beautiful, so is the music that plays there and I get why people like the atmosphere it has, but I don't know. I'll take Volt Forge anyday over Elyysia, or Bryyo, always disliked that place>>727708440For real, people always ignored how slow the earlier Metroids were, and how difficult it is to fail in them. Even on highest difficulties, MP4 actually had me dying a couple times on some of the later bosses. I had fun with the constant onslaught of enemies
>>727707120Perhaps it was a sign
>>727708440>>727708610The one thing I will give Prime 4 is, the damage values are huge, the biggest of any Metroid Prime. You're more likely to die in it than in 1 and definitely 3.
>>727708686
>>727707120How the fuck is that even allowed to happen?
>>727708673Pretty much most agree with this but the Prime losers still insisted on bringing it back even after Prime 3 and Federation Force failed and then Nintendo got too ahead of themselves after the Switch success and announced Prime 4 without it even being in production lmao
>>727708872This is true. I wanted access to hard because these games are usually piss easy but I'm getting my ass reamed sometimes on normal.
>>727708813Cry about it, if you didn't have fun it's your fault.>>727708824>>727708872The difficulty increase in combat encounters is a huge boon in the game's favor.
>>727707925>They're both dead if prime 4 doesn't sell enough.Doubtful for a few reasons.>2D Metroid is more cost effective, requires less resources and less manpower and dev time to make while still being able to make a hit game with higher ROI and profit margins because dev costs are that much lower by comparison to the 3D games.>Metroid Dread (2D Metroid) is the best selling game in the series and, other than the first Prime game, the 2D games are more highly regarded in the series (Dread, Super, ZM, Fusion, and even Samus Returns)>"Metroidvanias" and games of similar ilk like Silksong have only grown in popularity>2D Metroid allows for more unique map designs and concepts.>2D Metroid fits better for a handheld screen as well as on the big screen>3D Metroid now has Metroid Prime 4 and Federation Force as "disappointments" with Prime 3 also there depending on the day. 2D Metroid arguably only has Other M and even then Other M's biggest mistake was narrative and characterization for Samus since the game itself was actually good for the most part.All things considered, I see Nintendo looking at what they have and wondering why they still keep trying with the Prime games. They aren't going to axe the Metroid games since Samus is their poster child for the women leads. If anything, they MIGHT do a Prime 2 remaster and maybe a Prime 3 one, but otherwise, they'll just keep going with 2D and seeing how they can move forward from there.
>>727708679>>727708628>Le no true scotmanYes, yes, anyone that has a different take than you is either astroturfing, trolling or shilling. I wanted a new Metroid Prime, and that's exactly what I got, but you guys are right they made some really stupid decisions no fan of Metroid can justifyJust sending an update where they allow you to disable Mckenzie's unrequested chatter would also be a big plus, as for the desert area.. I don't really understand why it exists, I wish the world was interconnected like it used to be, however, when you do actually reach the main levels, I have no complain. They are all beautiful in their own way
>>727708986I accept your concession.
More like DUNGeon! This game STINKS!
>>727709003You're missing the point, it's not that dread didn't do well, it's that everything else going on with mercurysteam is falling apart and it was already hard enough to find a new 2D dev before>other than the first Prime game, the 2D games are more highly regarded in the series (Dread, Super, ZM, Fusion, and even Samus Returns)not true, all of these are rated lower except fusion compared to prime 3
>>727708673>I'm le brave.jpgkill yourself
>>727708719You technically could drop down into the trenches from the start once you're going up to the bridge, yeah.You won't. There's no fucking reason to do that. But you technically could, sure.
Ladies and Gentlemen, this game is Metroid Prime 4 the birds.
What does beating the game on Hard Mode (or 100%ing Hard Mode) unlock? I see in the gallery there is an empty square for Hard Mode completion in the cutscenes section, right next to the Credits. Seems to imply this is a post-credits cutscene for Hard Mode.Is it a teaser for a new game? Has anyone done this?
>>727709003>other than the first Prime game, the 2D games are more highly regarded in the series (Dread, Super, ZM, Fusion, and even Samus Returns)it's incredible how brazenly people can post bullshit
>>727698689>I'm kinda sad after 8 years of waitingYou should be absolutely disgusted.
Kek I think calling out Prime 3’s failure gets them butthurt
>>727709234Sylux is coming back baby
>>727707224This game was made for babbling retards, anon, don't expect it to improve ever.
>>727698932I remember never wanting to replay 3.
>>727708673Sure it was. There's nothing else actually like it. People like to call it Nintendo's Halo, but the games feel nothing like an actual FPS and neither does the level design or structure of progression. Nintendo used to call it a "first-person adventure" series, and that's about right. In terms of feel and structure, I'd more liken them to old 3D Zelda games, but I don't know how to more effectively elaborate on that.
>>727708643How so? The places where you actually have to explore and scan are well done, the game has a good mix of worthYou didn't enjoy having your shuttle crash land in the middle of nowhere, and finding your way into Volt Forge, seeing that stupidly large corridor not really knowing where it'd lead? Man I thought that was a 10/10 in vibes
>>727709273I'm actually convinced they live in their bubble completely detached from reality.
>>727709358That's why people enjoy Prime games whether they're intellectually honest enough to admit it or not. They're first person Zelda games. If people don't like Prime 4, then Aonuma was right and the direction he is taking the franchise now is the correct way.
>>727709372Nah, don't get me wrong, the vibe was fine. And, for what it's worth, the game has plenty to scan. It's just, when I open the map and actually look at it, I become a little disillusioned. Volt Forge presents as cool as fuck, but ends up being, in practice, a linear tutorial.
>>727709110Ah, I see what you meant about MercurySteam now. If they're having issues of that magnitude, I do still think Nintendo would sooner look for another dev to handle the 2D Metroid though.
Would it have killed them not to make every single area a straight line? And no, it is still a straight line even if you go downwards in a zigzag
>>727709273>>727709387I love Prime 2, but most of the normalfags only remember the first game.
This is kinda sad ngl making fun of Prime fags was so much fun but now im starting to feel bad for them
How often do you need to interact with people/NPC's in the game?
>>727709506The problem is the name "Metroidvania" making people think it's going to be something that it's not. Metroid's brand damage stems from a couple of cheeky retards making fun of SotN nearly 30 years ago.
This game is beautiful, I am in love with the color palette
>>727698932Prime 1 is actually pretty barebones shit and garbage compared to the SNES game. I loved it on the Cube but replaying it on the Switch, it really is boring and there's fucking nothing in it.
>>727709821You never liked it. Don't lie.
Imagine waiting 18, yes 18 years for your favorite game series to comeback just to be killed in the most pathetic possible way
>>727698689This is a game for little kids
>Played through the Prime trilogy for the first time over the past month>Find aspects of Prime 2 to be a little frustrating>Still ends up being my favorite game in the series for various other reasons>Didn't realize at the time that I was experiencing peakI already wanna go back.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo_09MsIVno
>>727709646Too much really:>Miles's part is pretty short, but he keeps calling you like the Aurora units in Prime 3, only more frequently. You have to return to him for him to install 4 upgrades for some god forsaken reason>The sniper guy's section is pretty brief and you have to interact with him one more time after that>The sergeant and the Samus fangirl segment is trash and you pretty much have to babysit them through the entire magma area instead of getting to explore by yourself>The robot has a brief segment and is fineDoesn't sound too bad like that, but then you get to the mines and you have to babysit all but the sniper guy through the entire area, with each of them making a heroic sacrifice one by one and in reality none of them die.This is then followed up by the shittiest fetch quest imaginable with Miles calling you every 10 minutes to make sure you are doing it, followed by the final segment where you go to the final boss with all of them and fight the really shitty first phase alongside them
>Have you been collecting GREEN ENERGY CRYSTALS?>Have you been collecting GREEN ENERGY CRYSTALS?>Have you been collecting GREEN ENERGY CRYSTALS?>Have you been collecting GREEN ENERGY CRYSTALS?>Have you been collecting GREEN ENERGY CRYSTALS?>Have you been collecting GREEN ENERGY CRYSTALS?
The part about all the areas that bothers me the most is that they all feel like very samey facilities that do just slightly different things. That and the whole dialogue that Miles gives after you get the bike I think.>"You can tackle them in any order if you wanted too!" >You can't actually do them in any order you want too
LMAO
>>727710006>Oh you gathered them all? Now I'll constantly ping you about the location where you can return them Samus!
>>727709806That and the soundtrack are the only redeeming factors of this game, honestly. The areas all suck and the bosses are all dumbed down shit that you can facetank and get infinite health items dropping from them, not to mention the annoying npcs. There aren't any really new upgrades, mostly rehashes from other Metroid Prime games. They even ditched the screw attack, homing missile and different visors so there isn't ANY interesting upgrade in this game.
>>727709938https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xVzh9WA158
>>727709890>comeback just to be killed in the most pathetic possible wayThat's a bit dramatic innit. It doesn't seem that dire at all.
Im so grateful for this game actually, I now appreciate more how great Dread was
>>727698689I think you just grew up man. Despite everything it's still a very faithful Prime sequel and doesn't feel super unique. Maybe they should have let Platinum games work on it, without Miyamoto breathing down their cock of course
>>727710046I like that you can shoot them in the cock and they bitch about it
Does Metroid Prime 4 have a single boss fight as good as Quadraxis?
>>727709938I played 2 and 3 for this first time this year, and 2 has really stayed deep in my psyche
>>727710092>There aren't any really new upgrades, mostly rehashes from other Metroid Prime games. They even ditched the screw attack, homing missile and different visors so there isn't ANY interesting upgrade in this game.It's pretty amazing that there are less upgrades in this game than the other 3 and the new upgrades boil down to:>Bike (megashit)>Psychic beam that you barely use>Psychic ability to move shit or activate platforms>Psychic shield that you never use for anything
>>727708673How convenient that now that Nintendo released a turd of a game, the series it belongs to was never good. Extremely convenient!
Absolutely COZY>>727710092>The areas all suck and the bosses are all dumbed down shit that you can facetank and get infinite health items dropping from themThat's always been a complain, but that applies to all Metroid Primes, playing it hard now and hoping it proves itself more challengingAs for the upgrades, I actually enjoyed them more than the previous titles, blasting Sylux with the Super Thunder Shot is funny
>>727709938Torvus Bog will be an area that I'll never forget. Exploring it as a teen gave me fear of muddy waters, unironically. The atmosphere of the bog and Sanctuary Fortress are the best things to come out of Metroid Prime.
>>727710194No, but you fight a spinning top
>>727710194Not really, the Sylux fights are pretty good and quite a few bosses are really nice.
>>727710194Nah, Quadraxis is the series peak
>>727709938To this day it still has my favorite rendition of Lower Brinstar. I still think they could have done better with the light/dark work transitions, but this game absolutely nailed the atmosphere in that game. Also it has the best suits in the Prime series, to me.
>>727710365https://youtu.be/HA0svtSeG0IForgot the link.
>>727710324>>727710336>>727710353I suppose that's fair. It's a fairly high bar to beat.
>>727710152This. Prime is just nostalgia bait but it has always been mediocre at best.
>>727710365>>727710476Makes me kinda sad that their rendition of upper brinstar was kinda meh, always liked upper more but as far as Prime 2 goes lower wins easilyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEdisOvnyg0
>>727709938I also played the trilogy for the first time a couple months ago, I loved 1 and 2. I liked 1 a little bit more than 2. It felt more fun to scan stuff in that game cause the space pirates were relevant until the end whereas they just become Ing fodder later on in 2, and the Ing had no personality to speak of. 3 was okay. I liked the bounty hunters, they were cool, but I don't really like the Feds.
>>727710634It's a bit sad that pirates are only relevant in Argon yeah, but man the little we got to see of them is fucking gold
>>727698689GOTY 2025
>>727710774Dude the logs with the pirates feeding metroids pet treats had me in stitches, I love it so much.
>>727710634That's fair honestly. Space pirates definitely did feel like a bit of an afterthought in 2, though seeing Samus's usual intelligent and capable enemy succumb to forces beyond their comprehension was still fun regardless. Watching the space pirates do anything in pursuit of more power and read about their endeavors is one of my favorite things about the Prime games. One of the pirate logs in 2 saying "unfortunately there are two of them now" in reference to Dark Samus is hilarious.
Theoretically would Metroid game be better by letting you collect a few power-up in your chosen order? Like what if Chozo Ruins let you grab the morphball, charge beam, and missiles in the order you want, then funneled you to the morphball bomb and Flaaghra?What if Phendrana let you grab the Wave Beam and Boost ball in either order and you needed both to get the jump boots back in Tallon Overworld?
>>727710896>One of the pirate logs in 2 saying "unfortunately there are two of them now" in reference to Dark Samus is hilarious.I fucking loved this one. Man the Space Pirates are probably my favorite thing about this series they're so funny.
>>727710871
>>727698689The 4 naysayers are legitimately schizophrenic.It’s a great game.>b-but it’s a bad Metroid game!! It’s just a shooter action game with upgrades!!Honestly and unironically the only “real” Metroid games are 1/ZM, Super, and Prime 1.Every other Metroid has tons of gimmicky shit that runs counter to the exploratory elements of the IP.2/SR has more linearity than Fusion, Dread has godawful forced stealth EMMI that makes the Zero Suit segment of ZM seem like a vacation, Prime 2 has the nonsense dark world health drain and ammo management, and 3 is just a boss gauntlet.
>>727711037How can such a seemingly intelligent species be so stupid?
>>727710896>"unfortunately there are two of them now" in reference to Dark Samus is hilarious.That is true, and that is actually something I find myself missing in 4
>>727698689Third dungeon is easily one of the best zones in any Prime game
>>727698689>you are the chosen one by the prophecy of our people, now explore these ruins made by us to test you thus removing all the mystery from exploring the worldWhy does Nintendo keep doing this? It's the same as the BotW games. Part of the fun of exploring old ruins and shit is to figure out who made them and why, here they give you all the details in the first 10 minutes of the game. Fuck.
>>727710950It would be better if the progress wasn't mega linear and you could do things out of order. Just do what Dread did and have the possibility of sequence breaking by skill/knowledge. I don't know why the Prime games have always shyed away from that design.
>>727710896
GOTY 2026
>>727711225This whole chosen one thing has been a thing since Prime 1 though.
>>727711214The few parts when you are outside the research station are nice, but it's just a straight line of corridors when going up/down
>>727711135I was really impressed with the way they reverse engineered Samus' new beam weapons in Prime 1 within the day after seeing them once. They strike a really good balance of menacing and endearingly retarded.
>>727711374
I'm at the point of no return. When the game is allowed to be metroid, it's pretty good. It just does a lot to undermine itself>dungeons surrounding a largely empty open hub structure just results in lots of boring back tracking>characters don't add much and take a lot from the atmosphere>bosses and enemies are annoyingly tanky>green crystal collecting is gay>linear dungeons just aren't as fun to backtrack as an interconnected map>mckenzie is a fag and tells you where to go>because they added a fag who wells you where to go, they were able to be more obtuse on where to go next
>>727711173Is Prime 4 missing space pirates or just logs in general?
>>727711327Why keep doing it? Why does every dead alien civilization in the universe have this randomass bounty hunter as their chosen one? It's lazy as hell.
>>727706196Dude the gay glasses man says "you can go to them in any order" which does heavily suggests there isn't a "correct" option.
>>727711532One of the great mysteries of the Metroid universe.
>>727702031that's exactly where I dropped the game. the only enemy is a fucking reskin and there are barely any of them at that. every aspect gameplay-wise is shockingly bad, to the point where I can write off anyone with LITERALLY anything positive to say about it as an absolute pleb shit-eater
>>727711439I hope Prime 1 gets a PC port, that looks so clean
>>727709594"nromalfags" don't care about metroid in general, the fact is your thoughts on the general reception of the series are way off
>>727711505Just enjoy it, fag
>>727709538>I do still think Nintendo would sooner look for another dev to handle the 2D Metroid though.easier said than done, it took over a decade to find mercury steam. Funny enough, their original pitch to nintendo was for a Prime game
>>727711619It's a solved mystery, the answer is that they're creatively bankrupt.
>>727711532The issue is that you're retarded. It's not that they chose her, it's that their tech interfaced with hers. Destiny =/= Fate
>>727711704>>727709538Why can't Nintendo just make the games themselves? Someone get Monolith Soft to make a fuckin Metroid game. That shit would rule.
>>727711505I found the part where you need to traverse over lava to be completely retarded. You get the ice beam equivalent just before and think "Oh, this is probably like in Prime 3 where I will just freeze the magma and walk over it". You even need to have the ice shot to get back to the magma area.But no, the solution is that you go upgrade your bike to have hover mode that is not used in any other place in the game and that hover mode is just the wheels changing to hover thrusters when moving over lava. So fucking retarded
>>727710194does any metroid game?
>>727711758The aylmaos literally said in the opening act that you are the chosen one by the prophecy, maybe turn on subtitles next time.
>>727711805Raven Beak in Dread is pretty fun. Though he's the final boss so maybe that's cheating.
>>727711531I'm currently on the fire area, so far there's only been logs on the ice area about a specific subject and extra log for the bosses when you return to the forest area after defeating themAlso kinda sucks how little faith the game has in you reading the ice area logs if you'll allow me to go on a little rant, holy shit, i mean, you get these logs basically explaining their attempt at curing their people that were becoming savage, right? You also get that a lot from environmental storytelling with all the test tubes and what not, but that wasn't on the nose enough so torwards the end of the area there's a cutscene explicitly showing you that yeah this game's ancient race were becoming these beasts that you fight through the game, alright point taken, then you leave the area and go back to the desert and that fucking Miles guy has a single line rubbing it even more in your face like "oh so these beast were the not-luminoths all along huh?", that was the one moment i got truly mad at the guy
>>727698689Volt Forge is the peak of the entire game, its all down hill from there
>>727711773>Why can't Nintendo just make the games themselves?Same problem as Pikmin, not enough devs at Nintendo's internal EPD teams care about metroid>Someone get Monolith Soft to make a fuckin Metroid game. That shit would rule.Monolithsoft is excellent but their style of exploration is different than what metroid should strive for IMO
>>727711904Emperor Ing i smy favorite, he has the variety of upgrades needed like Quadraxis but the challenge of Raven Beak
>>727698689>Anyone else feel-No.
>>727712340>Emperor Ing i smy favorite, he has the variety of upgrades needed like Quadraxis but the challenge of Raven BeakGood taste.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM2wiJaxAC0
>>727712384Alexithymia is a serious condition, my condolences.
Why does the room in the temple where you can view holograms of defeated bosses have an entry of some rock burrowing multilegged beast that you never encounter? Was it supposed to have been the boss of the mines originally?
>>727710194>Does Metroid Prime 4 have a single boss fight as good as Quadraxis?Not even possible, so it can't be held against them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdVylBwgvaM&t=22s
>>727712851Because the holograms are supposed to be honoring beings important to the Lamorn's culture and history. A random griever isn't anything special. That being said, it's possible and older version of the game may have wanted that to be the boss of the mines.
Super, Prime, Prime 2 and Dread are peakThat's all I have to say on the matter.
>>727713271thisshoutouts to zero mission
>>727711783>"Oh, this is probably like in Prime 3 where I will just freeze the magma and walk over it"That would have been so fucking lame.
>>727710194Two of them
>>727713249Well, I understand why the omega griever isn't listed since it wasn't even born when the holograms were made. I just found it odd.
>>727711838Imagine being so uncultured, god you're such a retard.
>>727698689After reading the reviews - i'm not even going to bother pirating it.
>>727700651>linearity is bad!>also open world is bad!Fuck you niggers
>>727713685Anon are you ok?
>>727713764Yes
>>727713825You never read anything about prophecies before? fuck off.
>>727713764Riding around a giant empty desert collecting rocks doesn't add anything meaningful to the game.
>>727713758good choice it's shovelware. I only spent 4 hours on it and I feel robbed, I'd be fucking livid if I spent money on this
>>727713764Almost like there is a superior middle ground to braindead linearity and empty open worlds, you retarded oxygen thief.
>>727714001What about atmosphere?
>>727713998Yea it's a dogshit trope and lazy writing.
>>727711629That's Prime 2, which is also very clean
>>727699123Hyper mode was a shit gimmick.
>>727714118What about it? It sorta gets lost in the monotony.
>>727706116Fucking this. I have no idea why this game gets shat on this hard. Game is gorgeous, ost is incredible, gameplay is the bedt of the 4 prime gzmrs, bossfight are perfect, the ’’alien /the thing’’ inspiration of the environment make perfect sense for the series, and the npcs aren’t half as annoying as people make them to be.Yeah the desert and the handholding suck. It’s true. But that make the game a 8/10 and people act like it’s a bad score lmao
>>727708580Anon, it’s just underwhelming blandness, I get liking disappointing games (my retarded ass put 400hrs into Dying Light 2) but I would never pretend like said bad game is “good” lol
>>727714068They probably only even greenlit the game in the first place because Nintendo was in a very tough spot during the Wii U years so they were also banking on Prime 4 as that "core" game to help them out with the Switch initially. In reality Prime was never a great franchise and coasts hard on the first 2 games from the early 2000s (really just the first game since Prime 2 is basically the "Majora's Mask" if the Prime games), but any even tipping at the "remember the good ol' days" would have helped Nintendo at the time. Prime 4 should have never been made since it was never necessary to add another game to the "Prime Trilogy". The Prime games themselves were only ever mediocre at best and getting worse over time anyway, but now we have almost a Toy Story 4 situation.>What about Prime 3's 100% ending sequenceFans could have come up with some theories about how that somehow tied into Hunters or something. Or maybe just fill in the answer with a manga. We did not need another Prime game and we certainly do not need another one after Prime 4. Just focus on 2D Metroid or give one more shot to a 3D third person game.
>>727713271this but remove dread for ZM
>>727708986>if you didint have fun in a bland empty desert it’s your faultDo you retards not realize why no one takes you dorks seriously and everyone makes fun of you relentlessly? Or do you just not give a single iota of a fuck? Lmao at what point does your niggercattle me tailors become embarrassing?
>>727714447Imagine lying this hard just to defend your $70 expenditure
>>727714447It's because they're poor. That might sound ridiculous, but it's true. Game is $70 on a $500 console, and they need to justify it the entire console generation as to why they refuse to spend the money they do not have to spend.
>>727714713You are not a smart individual, if you and a couple dummies get together to circlejerk it's no skin off my teeth. There's nothing unfun about Sol Valley. If you don't have fun, your fault faggot.
So is Ridley like, DEAD dead?
>>727714965No, Prime games takes place between Metroid 1 and 2
>Ridley>Dark Samus>Mother Brain>Raven Beak>SA-X>............................Sylux.Rank your favorite rivals/villains. Dark Samus is number one for me.
>>727706949>you don't even get the music in the barren desert unless you pay another $30 separately for the Amiibo.Explain.
Just beat the first boss. I made sure to scan him. Is there anything else missable on the intro stage?
>>727707097Dread has a lot of that, too, but also has the nerve to let you THINK you can do the extremely long, linear backtrack, only to have a roadblock at the end of it. Felt way worse than anything Fusion did.
you bought this? holy fuck
>mfw I died first time doing tower 1 in volt forge when I was returning>mfw when I redo it and the game crashes 20m away from the saving station FUCK. Guess I will wait Eden can run this game better or find a better emulator.
I bought a switch 2 near launch for this game.
>>727717231At least Metroid 6 will probably be good...
>>727717231Hey man could be worse. People bought a Switch 1 for this game.
>>727717278kek
>>727717198Get fucked thief
>>727717260>mercurysteam slowly implodingThey just needed to be allowed to hire a better composer too...
I don't feel like scanning everything, this shit takes so long. Guess I will just ignore it and use it only if I get stuck
>>727716779Dark Samus is kino in 2, but I thought bringing her back in 3 was kind of lame
I dunno what the fuck they were thinking with this collecting green crap bullshit. How did they not know how boring and tedious it is?
>remake the first game so they could familiarize themselves with Metroid again>do literally everything in 4 to make it as un-Metroid as possibleWhat the fuck Retro?
>>727717231I bought it for DK and Prime 4, but I've yet to buy prime 4. Probably buy it on sale or used in a month or two
>P-PRIME WAS NEVER GOOD>Also metroid fags>Only accept either Super or Prime and literally nothing else
>>727711701If you can't enjoy something while also being able to critique, you are an NPC
>>727717586>Remember to deposit the green energy crystals at the temple for the memory fruit. You didn't forget, did you? I'll remind you in 10 minutes just in case.
>>727706325metroid prime was a metroid. you're retarded.
>>727716848When you're riding around in the desert, you get no music. There IS music to listen to in the game when you're riding and it's actually on the cart. The thing is, you will never be able to hear it because you have to unlock the music. You unlock it not by simply pressing a button, beating certain sections of the game, maybe getting an in-game item, or even just getting to the end of the game and beating it. You HAVE to beat the game at 100% completion, meaning you need to scan everything and get all the items in the game. If you don't, you can buy the $30 amiibo instead for the privilege.
>>727698689Eh. I'm enjoying my time with it. With my schedule, weekend is the only time that I can properly play anyway, so that means I probably have at least a month of enjoyment.
>>727709938kino... pure kino...
>>727716848>>727718026There is no dedicated music theme for the desert that's being paywalled. This amiibo thing is just a jukebox function Nintendo retardedly decided to paywall, you can play any song you want. It's literal gacha brains for a cosmetic borderline joke function, proving Nintendo are the masters of pointlessly shooting themselves in the foot.Ordinarily, the desert has ominous chanting and wind ambience and that counts as "music", that's what the jukebox replaces with whatever song you choose.
The Great Sea in Wind Waker is better than this fucking slog of a desert holy hell. On the bright side, if they ever get this game emulating well, you could probably make a decent randomizer for it.
>>727717554She was a good villain in 3 but it didn't make sense that she was the big bad of Phaaze
>>727711805The digger in Samus Returns
>>7277102422 really hits hard when you first played through it on a shitty and way too dark CRT when you were a kid. I had no fucking idea where the terrain was in the dark world, and it made the maps even harder to read.
annihilator beam is such a badass name
>>727711241I collected some powerups early in dread (3 powerbombs, if I recall), and was deeply upset that it wouldn't let me use them. What the fuck were they thinking?
>>727711135Good int, but low wisdom score.
>>727717816Kek
Are the fucking crystals THAT bad? Does destroying them every chance in the overworld+getting all the bagged ones in the shrines not give you close to enough?
>>727720756For me it really didn't. It's not told anywhere that you absolutely need them until the very end and hitting them with the bike is pretty annoying for a few reasons. First it's not that easy to destroy a cluster with just one go with the bike. You can do it, but the angle at which you come at it matters a lot and let's say you are moving from point A -> B, you often are not coming at the right angle.Second, when navigating somewhere, you see the crystals somewhere that are not straight on your path. You now need to deviate from getting to your destination a bit in order to smash them. Then this loop continues as you see more and more of them, so you getting to the actually fun content is delayed. This gets more annoying as the enemies spawn on the desert when you dilly dally around, so now you need to deal with them while trying to hit more crystals with a bike that handles like shit.And of course you can't just drive at the crystals, you need a bit of speed so if you fail smashing the cluster and try to finish it with a second go around, you need to circle backwards and get enough speed to smash them instead of just driving right next to the leftovers
>>727720756When I found the page that was keeping track of how many crystals I had, I was astonished to see how much I still needed.
>>727712340Emperor Ing has WAY too much fucking HP. On repeat playthroughs, I just do the screw attack thing.
Completed the game. I barely got to enjoy exploring by myself.I didn't even get to do the final boss on my own, man.
>>727700651dread is great and /v/ contrainians will forever seethe
>>727710194The majority of the fights in 4 ae pretty good, but none of them force you to use your equipment or abillities outside of shooting your beams.
>>727710896Don't forget the power latrines
>>727710092> you can facetank and get infinite health items dropping fromAm I the only one who ate fucking shit to the big evil griever at the end of the mines?
there aren't even different visors????
>>727720756>actively look for them while i'm out and about between zones>deposit them into the thing>get the the very end where you need the fruit>I am only 60% through the fruitI went and farmed crystals and blew up big rocks for like an hour. I went out MULTIPLE times throughout the game and did long excursions for crystals and still came up incredibly short.
>>727722021I almost died to it, but it kept dropping health pickups enough for me to win on first try
>>727717231Yeah. Me too, anon. I was having fun until the fire area. And then it just kinda tanked and didn't recover. This is the only character I enjoyed. He should have been the ONLY character in the game. He could have easily done everyone elses job.
>>727698689for what it's worth, the second dungeon is my least favorite in the game
Ice Belt was pure kino
>>727722684retard
>Cross the giant fucking desert to go to flare pool>Only here for a cutscene and an upgrade>Can't even just have the upgrade right away, have to go visit everyone's favorite sidekick>Cross the giant fucking desert to backtrack through fury green>Get another cutscene explaining the concept of a fire attack in a Metroid game>Now able to go to the ice belt>Cross the giant fucking desert yet again to the ice belt>Walk in a straight line for a little bit>Enter another big open area>Sole purpose is to house an annoying "objective: survive" miniboss against wolves>All to give an excuse for the next fed I don't care about to show upBoy I really wanted to give this game the benefit of the doubt, but I dunno man. Either I'm just burned out from playing through the trilogy so recently or this game is mediocre as fuck.
>>727722732>snoy pretends he played the gameThat's cute.
>>727722851retard
Only in really rich white neighborhoods. Niggas would just steal all the games
>>727722732The ice area is the last okay area in the game bro, it's just going to get worse after it
>>727722851I know you've got a chip on your shoulder because sunk cost is a bitch, but I actually did quite enjoy the original trilogy, even if 3 was a little less fun than the first two. Prime 4 feels unfinished though, I'm not even gonna lie. None of the areas are actual levels even remotely on par with 1 or 2, and honestly, not even 3. Literally walking through hallways with zero branches, zero secrets, nothing to explore. Every environment in this game serves to get you from one cutscene to the next, and so much of the exploration has been relegated to the fuckass boring desert no one likes. Keep pretending everyone who doesn't like a Nintendo game is a Sony fan though. I'm sure that's easier for you than accepting not every game Nintendo puts out is perfect.
>>727722684You know what, yeah, the Ice lab is the one thing they didn't fuck up. It's a proper Metroid stage, and I liked it. Too bad about what comes next.
>ice area is the best areadamn that's where I dropped it lmoa. people who like this game must be genuine dick suckers
>>727705643god damn that ground is ugly
>>727714789...and all the people in the thread who pirated it and hated it? i didn't spend a dime (which is functionally the same as not caring if you spend the dime, by the way) and it does suck
>crashed twice in the exact same place in the snow area after turning the power back on>second crash that maxed out my RAM so hard I had to do a hard resetGuess I'm not playing any more until emulators get updated.
>>727698689Why couldn't they just do Echos 2.0 instead of this.
>>727718026>You have to beat the game at 100% completionor swipe your credit card and pay 30 USD to nintendosame with the extra cutscenes on beating the game, it's 100% the game OR buy the amiibos
>>727721064>It's not told anywhere that you absolutely need them until the very endfucking prime 2 key hunt at the end. i would have marked them down if i fucking knew from the beginning
>>727725076genuinely don't even know if they've the right staff fo it.
>>727725130Shouldn't that be easy? Echos was full on exploration and cryptic puzzles with minimal plot if you haven't looked for it. Surely it must be easier than producing setpieces and cutscenes?
>>727725076I think that's what they were getting at but something must have gone very wrong in development
>>727698689>I'm kind of bored already and I'm on second "dungeon Anyone else feeling like that? Like the game doesn't entice me enough to play it and I'm kinda sad after 8 years of waiting.Sunk cost fallacy. If you bought a movie ticket for 15 dollars and you hated the movie half an hour in, do you stay for 160 more minutes of hating your time? Now apply that to Metroid Other M's Beyond Prime 4, will you put up the big boy pants and get on that bike for hours to grind green energy in a BMGless desert? You already committed at least 5 hours to hit the second dungeon, right, so sell it for 50 dollars and cut your losses early. If you're a digital cuck the question answers itself.No. Refunds. Digital. Cuck.
This psychic purple shit just looks like the Other M gravity suit desu
>>727725262Echoes had a very good map design which Prime 4 severly lacks. I don't think the current people at retro could do proper map design
>>727714789It’s only 450 though and even then you can still get it on switch 1 it’s more because Nintendo is le bad is viewed as a popular opinion. Which means reviewers will shit on the game relentlessly for the npcs and other things even if they happily slurp up worse with god of war
>>727725268>>727725130>>727725076Here's the Metroid Prime 4 scoop. You can choose not to believe me, though, this is what has been talked about as insider whispers leaks for years. Nintendo outsourced the game to Bandai Namco who in turned was effectively outsourcing the game to a new studio in Singapore. Bandai and Nintendo have been growing closer since the Wii U era, with Nintendo using Bandai as raw manpower for HD development. That's why Nintendo felt comfortable with letting them handle Metroid Prime 4 while RetroStudios worked on their own new IP. The project with Namco kept failing Nintendo's own quality assurance/project manager demands. Nobody knows what Namco era Metroid Prime 4 was like.People are interjecting their theories about it being rebooted to be Breath of the Wild like, but no credible leak in the late 2010s and early 2020s ever mentioned why the project was rebooted. I'll give you a simple one, SquareEnix outsourced Final Fantasy 7 Remake to JPN studio CyberConnect2. Between the lines SquareEnix basically said they didn't like the lack of polish and redid FF7 Remake themselves, it sounded like texture quality itself was the root cause. Now RetroStudios heard Prime 4 was having development issues and in-secret they made a sizzle reel to show Nintendo Japan they could take over the project. Nintendo Japan was convinced after seeing whatever demo Retro did and they went public about rebooting the project. It is estimated that Nintendo used roughly 20 support studios in total to release Metroid Prime 4 over a period of 8 years. Nintendo ended up buying Namco Singapore this year in the end. Make that what you will about who ended up destroying Prime 4. I personally believe Nintendo give Retro a firm release date and time was up, which is why Metroid Prime 4 is incomplete story-wise and is a Reddit Resetera Disney adult pandering game. Appealing to a mass audience to recoup the losses.tldr; Play Metroid Dread. Prime 4 is dogshit.
Just finished it. Scans collected - 95%Items - 77%Time - 12hr 28 mins.It was pretty underwhelming overall and it had too much random tedium. Also Sylux's story seems very retarded.
Sylux was hyped for 18 years. His backstory is his mom didn't pick him up from daycare one day and he stood in the rain while everyone else got picked up. He has held that grudge for 20 years in-universe. A literal nobody NPC throwing a tantrum lmao. Meanwhile in Metroid Dread, Raven Beak is playing around with Samus for his amusement and galaxy domination goals. He even changed the plan because he wanted to give Samus a fighting chance to join him too.
>>727726097The funniest thing about this story is that Nintendo just bought that studio.
>>727710173They bitch differently if you use the different beams too.
>>727726820Which is why it makes you question 1) how badly was Metroid Prime 4 during Namco's care 2) what type of game did Nintendo want it to be, another Halo-esque game like Prime 3 or more Breath of the Wild 3) how much was Kensuke Tanabe responsible for the final product. We know Tanabe is obsessed with Federation Troopers/Galactic fags in Metroid since the 3DS Fed Troopers game. Since Nintendo bought Bandai Namco Singapore (Prime 4 original devs), it does makes you wonder if RetroStudios shares the lion's share of the blame of the blame.
>>727714068same
>>727711337The change in atmosphere when you finally kicked on the generator and everything started melting was legit kino (fuck the TK key pixel hunt tho).
>>727717278Don't make fun of my, I still had optimism back then.
>>727701537I'm playing fusion right now, and didn't expect this shit with the stupid exposition dumps telling you where you can go and when
>>727725321I liked Other M and I still don't like how how this was what they came up with for the "Gravity Suit".
>>7276987613D environments will always be better than 2D, just as real-time will always be better than turn-based.This game just does everything poorly.
>>727726978I know peopleabuse reddit spacing, and others bitch about it, but you could really stand put your numbered points on their own separate lines, or even format it as greentext.
>>727714447I agree, and I didn't even buy the game, I emulated it
>>727726097>People are interjecting their theories about it being rebooted to be Breath of the Wild like>Breath of the Wild likeBotW really mindbroke everyone.It doesn't even have to have open world or sandbox shit and all you retards will relate EVERYTHING to BotW lmfao
I guess the Nintendo Defense Force is hopping threads since they just overwhelmingly got their dicks kicked in the Black Friday week sales thread and it just hit bump limit
>>727728086This is an example of "Reddit spacing". It's the empty space in between the reply number and the post itself. Actually using spaces to make your reply more readable (i.e. knowing how to use paragraphs on a basic level) isn't Reddit spacing. It's just knowing how to write.
>>727728701It doesn't have to be like botw. It's because botw's success is what put nintendo on the open world train shoving open worlds into games that don't need them, even if those open worlds are nothing like breath of the wild. A world without breath of the wild would probably be a world without sol desert
>>727728701Metroid Prime 4 has Breath of the Wild shrines.
>>727726097I really should have gotten this game physical so I could return it.
>>727717231>decided to not buy a switch>dread is perfectly emulatable>prime 4 is almost perfectly emulatablethe only metroid game I've really bought in my life was a second hand super metroid in the 90s and I don't regret it a single bit given how current nintendo is on an arms race against its current fans.
>>727698689Are you not enjoying finding out the secret to what Phil did in that cubicle?
Why aren't you having a blast with Metroid Prime 4 HRTs like Reddit is convincing itself doing sick ass bike energy grind strats for NG+ Hard Mode.
>>727730000>HRTs like Reddit is convincing itself doing sick ass bike energy grind strats for NG+ Hard Mode.fucking zoomerspeak is bad enough, we don't need ESL neo-zoomers raping written language.
>>727730187Why aren't you running around Metroid Prime 4's desert doing wheelies on a bike to figure out the best strategies for your New Game Plus Hard Mode run of Prime 4. Will there be a speedrun category without use of Amiibos? Are you happy now? Tranny.
>>727728701that's how the industry workswhen dark souls became popular studios didn't take away that you don't need to worry about having mass appeal as long as it's good and polishedno, they took away>we need more 3rd person ARPGs with high difficulty and dodge rollingthe industry sits on their hands till a game like elden ring, botw, dark souls, hades, etc cracks the code and does something new, and then they all scramble to ape everything about that game for themselves and turn every IP they have into another flavor of that thing.
>play MP4 expecting Metroids, the metroid prime, and Sylux>there is only vaguely metroids that infect things, the metroid prime is in-fact not in the game, and you only truly fight Sylux onceMan. MAN.
the game starts fairly strong but once you get to the end game content where you are going back through the areas it becomes really clear how poorly designed the areas are... they are very linear and there is almost nothing exciting to find in terms of secrets.beyond that the grinding for green crystals and the absoloutely awful desert/open world stuff really pulls the game down despite it having some pretty cool art direction and music.the mine area where you get the last key is especially mediocre as it's essentially just linear corridors where you fight the same respawning enemies whilst listening to the boring character dialogue.it's quite unfortunate as the game has some pretty impressive highs but falls way short in some crucial ways
>>727705963Don't forget space pirates. And the Galactic Federation
>doing the mine section now>sniper guy and robot guy stay behind to fight enemies for some reason>get forced into waves of fights against enemies that can clearly dig through the ground>waiting for some drill to make a hole so we can go through>drill is done, Samus and simp jump down>sarge makes a heroic sacrifice by blocking the hole with the drill so the enemies don't follow us and he fights them alone>even though we literally just fought waves of them that were digging through the ground and wallsDid no one think this shit through when they were writing it?
>>727732948>Did no one think this shit through when they were writing it?Give them a break, anon! They only had six years!
>>727707374>it just LOOKS better because it weaves through the same rooms.It is* better because it loops back on itself which makes backtracking later not a chore
>>727732948Glad i wasnt the only one who thought this, i despise horrible Arbitrary writing. If this game had some decent writing, despite the shit linear design it could have been at least somewhat fun, but its like they try their hardest to make you hate it.
>>727708440>Prime 1 lore is just background fluffStupidest thing I've ever seen in these threads
>>727708440>I haven't seen anyone else bring up how it mechanically feelsMissiles feel really weak and the beam upgrades are really underwhelming>Charge up your fire beam to shoot three at onceThat's fucking gay. The flamethrower was shit but at least they were trying to make beam combos interesting before. And yes I've gotten the second upgrades too and they feel just as underwhelming.
>>727698689>Anyone else feeling like that?Nope. Sounds like a you problem
Why did they add these npcs, did they not understand the previous games or did they feel the need to “evolve” the series?
>Myles looks like a stereotypical toucan>VA named "David Goldstein">Myles manages things called "Golems"
>>727717231Same>Did it for the graphics boost>Also did it for mouse control>mfw I hate the mouse control because trying to use the face buttons while aiming sucks and I don't have a comfortable way to even use it on my couch
>>727725129Sky Temple keys are annoying because you're not even allowed to start getting them until you get the dark visor which happens way too late. At least with artifacts and batteries you can get them as you go
Some of the boss fights are a bit shit using the regular joy con controls with no motion controls. Like Sylux boss when you are with all the feds. Trying to hit specific parts without using motion controls or mouse controls is a hassle.
>>727722684Tedious as sin to backtrack into though. At least there's that morphball elevator you can unlock to make it less annoying
For me, it was how the dungeons feltthe first dungeon was "ok, this is the first dungeon, so it's ok that it's this easy"but this repeats for the rest of the game.
Game would be a 9/10 if this played by default in the deserthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6kqHlkVULE
>Remaster Prime 1>All they took from that experience was the biomes to copy and the beam-types to steal>Then they give them all placeholder names anywayDid different teams work on the Remaster vs Prime 4? The remaster feels way more polished, even the little things like the rain drops were kept in Remastered but not carried over to 4
>>727729097Ocarina of Time grottos.
>>727733431>Missiles feel really weakAs opposed to?The missiles send enemies flying before they ragdoll death, unlike previous games.
Even IF they make another Prime game it will still take them like 5 or 6 years. So this franchise is basically dead now.
>trying to freeze enemies and shoot a missile at them like I used to>awkward as fuck because I have to use the d-pad to switch from ice to missiles>and the freeze effect wears off almost immediately on a bunch of enemiesWhy couldn't they just have normal beams? This is the worst parts of the beams from the other 3 Primes smushed into one
>listen to the space pirate theme for prime 4>it fucking sucksHOW DO YOU FUCK THAT UP
>>727735810Prime 4 has a space pirate theme? When?
>>727735106You can remap the controls
>>727698761>Dread was greatGod I LOVE revisionist gaslighting.
>>727698761>Dread was greatLMAOOOOOOGo play BioGun instead. infinitely better than dread
>>727699187>are they not open areas like in previous games?They're not, no. They took the game design formula from Zelda for this one.You now have isolated puzzle gauntlets with an upgrade that's a key for the locks in just that area, with a boss at the end. People who've never played Metroid are saying "it's just like Prime 1" people who have, recognize it's Zelda.
>>727726097all you did was regurgitate things we knew already from other leakers
>>727713764Hmmm..... If only there was a genre of games that specialized in non-linear exploration that wasn't open world, but was more like a labyrinth...
>>727713764overt linearity is bad for metroid, yes. Prime 4 doesn't even have open world, it has an empty desert sandbox
>>727737406Someone compared the world design to Skyward Sword and I think that's the most apt comparison, but even then when you descended from the sky you could pick where to land in the segmented area. Prime 4 has nothing that convenient
>>727737639Squidward Sword would be the most apt comparison, yeah. It's the dungeon design from the worst era of Zelda, with an empty open world to traverse, because this is how Nintendo interprets "evolving" the Metroidvania formula, and fanboy will eat whatever turd Nintendo puts in front of them.
>>727737560I wouldn't call it a sandbox. A sandbox in game terms refers to an open space where you're able to utilize all your abilities to their fullest extent in order to entertain yourself. This is why I would personally refer to BotW and TotK as sandbox game, because sandboxes don't require progression to generate fun, the fun is intrinsic from just fucking around.The desert in Prime 4 is definitely not that. It's just padding.
>>727732948>They literally do the same thing again with the simp chick>And this is the first time Samus is shown to careWhat the fuck is going on
>>727736745It exists in the opening segments but it’s barely recognizable at allAnd it sucks
>>727713764I don't know what I want!
>>727717231>I bought a switch 2 near launch for this gameYou did NOT expect a new game 18 years later made by modern devs to be a guaranteed success... surely...
>>727709698Circle of the Moon actually.
>>727734839Unless they already have started a significant amount of preproduction on it or Prime 4 sells a Metrillion copies, I suspect whatever they were planning is just going to get binned.
>>727738330Dread was good and we didn't know until the bike until afterwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7ixIxoyo7wpost yfw hearing this for the first time
Am I fucking retarded or something? Where do I go after getting power bombs?
>>727710194not quite, but the fifth teleporter key boss stands out as the best fight in the gamealso the sylus fights were good, except the last one sucked
>>727698689>8 years of waitingI had zero hype for this and wasn't sure i'd even buy it, but I'm enjoying it well enough. Had the same feeling about silk song. Idk why you guys ever let yourself get hyped up for a game release, just setting yourself up for disappointmentI just finished the ice "dungeon", that one and the ice one were pretty good but it's all very derivative. the ice one especially is such a phendrana drifts rip off, where you go through the research facility once and then again in reverse with now a bunch of enemies. it's fine because i haven't played prime 1 in a while but jesus, so uninspiredi enjoyed the bike factory bit but it was very short. i've spent a lot of this game thinking "wow metroid prime 2 was really good, i'd rather be playing that", but that area especially made me feel that way since it kinda reminded me of sanctuary fortress (aka the peak of the series)
Just beat it. Slyux's origin was lame and expected after 20 years of hype. You can tell the devs had no idea what to do with him and he's only there because Tanabe demanded it. Probably won't replay this one unfortunately.Is the suit you get from the crystals mandatory? Grinding for it was ass cancer and should be patched.
>>727729782>>prime 4 is almost perfectly emulatablethats a complete fucking lie. I had horrible stutters and crashes. I sincerely hope it gets better and it probably will. I toughed it out because I waited 20 years for this fucking game, but I did not have the heart to 100% in those conditions, I just ran to the creditsI'm still glad I didn't buy a switch 2 or even 70 bucks for switch 1.
>>727742409If the rumors that Tanabe was brought on later in development to whip Retro into shape are true, Sylux may well have been a late addition.Would explain why him, the pirates and the Metroids are a non-factor for 99% of the game.
>>727742535PCfags, and by extension pirate and emulatorfags, cope by having low standards. It's even worse with linuxfags.
This almost feels like a random game that Samus just shows up in
>>727706196>that's only a thing in Super Metroid and Zero MissionGenuine question: I assume most fans know Dread has a decent number of sequence breaks by now, but they still tend to call it a linear, rather than non-linear, Metroid. Why? Is it because the game's level design blocks your path at certain points alone? Or is there something about the sequence breaks themselves that make them not count?
>>727732948they give you a fucking lightning beam that bounces to other enemies and its incredibly ammo efficient.but the npcs just get all suicidal and try to sacrifice themselves when Im chilling and holding it down quite well.and I knew they wouldn't have the balls to actually kill them off and do us all that favor. No way in hell we were getting free of these shit heads that easy: so of course they pull the rug, all like "nah we lived, we were fine". embarrassing writing. My dreams and childhood action figure lore where my favorite hero gets revived 50 times was cooler than this dogshit.
>>727742713I expect the writers really just didn't want to make a Metroid game and instead wanted to tell a story about the downfall of the Lamorans and shoved Samus into it.
>>727742713i'd be ok with that if it didn't steal so much from prime 1. like after we finished with phazon, did we really need to immediately go to "oh some weird new element showed up an fucked the planet... but this time its GREEN instead of BLUE"
>>727709506>They're first person Zelda games.You're fucking retarded.>If people don't like Prime 4, then Aonuma was right and the direction he is taking the franchise now is the correct way.And this is a stupid fucking take, and I'll explain why below.>>727709698I agree the problem is the name Metroidvania being outdated and attributing traits to game franchises that no longer fully embody that design.The term would be more accurately be described as a Labyrinth.You're thrown into this twisting and winding world with tons of locked doors, you have to slowly unravel by constantly traveling back and forth through the world collecting more and more keys as the world opens up more. Ideally too, they keys also enhance your combat abilities and make you stronger. Good examples of this are:>Metroid 1>Super Metroid>Metroid Prime>SotN>Hollow Knight>Dark Souls>Bloodborne (for the first half at least).No, this nothing like Zelda. Zelda doesn't throw you into a labyrinth, it throws you into a worlds, with multiple isolated dungeons, each with a unique upgrade for your overall adventure. The dungeons moreso like puzzle gauntlets you have to break down, rather actual Labrynths. The key difference here is the emphasis on the feeling of being lost, isolated, and your only way to progress is exploration. Zelda does not play this way, Zelda marks clear objectives for you to tackle, and evokes a feeling of progress and heroic adventure.If I were to describe how the games feel, Zelda akin to climbing a mountain with clear checkpoints and routes, whereas this style of game which people call Metroidvania is more akin to untangling a complex yarn.
>>727742986It's probably secretly a Phazon byproduct if the plants memory scan is anything to go by since Viewros clearly got hit by a Leviathan at some point in the past.
>>727742713That's good Metroid.
>The plot of Metroid Prime 4 is literally Metal Gear SurviveInsane they went this route
>>727743001You're the retard if you don't perceive all the trappings of Ocarina of Time in Metroid Prime.
>>727742682not necessarily. its a brand new game and switch emulation is just kinda dicey unless you have some dedicated community making frequent performance patches like botw with quality of life mods.There is a crowd of people who have been waiting for this game, and dont like switch or just dont like nintendo. This community will fix the performance, if they had the grit to make primehack.If you haven't tried it, I highly recommend primehack for a mouse and keyboard playthrough of prime trilogy. I played the originals on gamecube, trilogy on wii, and now primehack on pc and I gotta say prime hack is my preferred way to play them now.
You people just hate Nintendo. You fucking know it.
>>727743331>You're the retard if you don't perceive an objectively wrong statement Idiot.
>>727708624This anon's right. The point of a metroidvania is not to be nonlinear. There HAS to be roadblocks and brick walls to force you to come back to for it to fit the genre. Sure you can sequence break the old Metroid games, but that's not what made them good.
>>727743479I do now. I grew up with Nintendo. But the Nintendo of today and the Nintendo of Iwata's era are two completely different companies. It's gotten to the point now where I refuse to buy anything with the Nintendo brand out of principle. And the idiots standing for them are the stupidest bunch of morons I've ever fucking seen. And this is coming from a guy who used to defend the WiiU on /v/.
>>727743678Well your retarded simple as. Nintendo hasn’t been this good since the nes era.
>>727698689Doom 2016 and Returnal are better Metroid Prime games.
>>727744146No, you're retarded. Videogames were never good.Who's the ultimate contrarian now, you stupid fucktard. I wanna see you try and outdo that one.
it isnt metroid, it is a shitty halo game made by 343 (shit) devs.
>>727743001nope, you are part of the problemdarksouls is not a metroidvania or a "labyrinth" game just because there are shortcut ladders you kick down and some areas interconnect for the sake for lore and convenience hollow knight has upgrades to unlock the path forward, but even HK and SS have this issue that they don't provide enough meaningful upgrades. So you get a wall climb, a dash, and a little double jump, right?well hey, guess what? the rest of the shit is optional combat pins or badges, or whatever the fuck they called. Exchangeable passive abilities. The map is mostly wide open and they rarely even block you unless its a critical objective to beat the game, hk and sstry to make you get lost like its some kind of sick joke, and you do a shit ton of work for no new abilities. What a shitty metroidvania. if they just want a boss rush souls-like then why cant they just make a 2d version of furi?I understand my take on team cherry games are not popular, but you are high on bath salts for dunking on this guy who called zelda a metroidvania and then you make his fucking mistake by saying darksouls is one. I understand why someone would mistakenly think zelda is metroidvania, because you can backtrack and use new abilities to get hp and bomb and arrow expansions and wallets (would you look at that, optional combat crap. kinda sounds familiar). I think its a very thin line between zelda and metroid when you consider a game like prime 2.that game feels like zelda dungeons if they provided you with more than 1 item per dungeon. but NOT darksouls, not by a fucking mile. they are just adventure games.
>>727744587>darksouls is not a metroidvania or a "labyrinth"And I stopped reading right there.You're retarded. Stupid fucking Zelda Fanboy.
>>727743584The facts are completely lost on you, that's why you're a tard.
>>727744587I will find where you live, rape your sister, and shit in your bed, you stupid tendie shill. Kill yourself.
>>727744787Your delusions are not facts, nor are they substitutes for arguments you dumb fanboy.
>>727734353whoever greenlight Electric guitars for any of the OST themes needs to be drawn and quartered
Maybe it's because of all the shitposting, but Miles isn't nearly as bad as I thought he'd be. He's no worse than Mimir or Atreus in God of War Ragnarok.
>>727744307lmao
>>727745312>He's no worse than Mimir or Atreus in God of War RagnarokThose were all unbearably bad you dumbass.
>>727744865learn english you dumb pajeet
>>727744146My retarded? I'm afraid it's yours.
>>727710871>>727710774>quirk chungus NPC chat logsTendies are sheep.
>trying to handle Myles the last chip>Can't start the cutscene because two of the others are in the middle of some quirky dialog
>>727744307Seethe about it nintenchads will feast while everything else withers away
>green energycould they really not come up with a decent name?imagine if phazon was just named blue goo
is there a way to get amiibos cards that you can reprogram or something?
>>727745770>quirk chungus NPC >______ are sheep.homosexual internet guy dialogue
>>727745992>he missed the whole metaphorI'm always becoming more impressed with the average anon's iq
>>727744281if you think those three are similar, you might be retarded
>wow, wow wow wow wow wow>what A mess
>>727744281This.
>>727744753im a zelda hater, you couldnt be more wrongthats how dumb you are. no dummy, darksouls is NOT is a metroidvania
>>727744808I hate nintendo
>>727746032you can buy and AllMiibo which has every Amibo NFC code loaded into it for $12 on Amazon
>>727698932Filtered. Prime 2 is by far the best GAME. in the series. Prime 1 is nostalgia bait.
>>727745992>the lamorn heads look like metroid prime essence>they have this poisonous element that ruined their planet>they want you to fill this seed with this dangerous energy and take it to another planet to grow, trust me bro lmaoWhy did samus just hand deliver a fucking leviathan to tanamaar? Hello????
>>727746603Prove it
>>727701537Why am I missing prime 2 from this list nigger>>727701654So shit that every other game including Castlevania has been copying it for 40 years.
>>727746603prove im a zelda hater or prove darksouls isnt metroidvania? Do you want me to prove that the sky is blue while i'm at it?
>>727746929>>727746850meant for you, accidentally replied to myself
>>727706778>didn't think it was possible to be worse than 3Me either, and yet, here we are.It's more of a federation force 2 than a prime 4.
>>727707304Yes like 34 cent NFC tag
>>727746776based
>>727745992>Phazon>Aeion>Greenall the same BS
>>727709358>There's nothing else actually like it.Unreal 1 (1998) has similar atmosphere/vibe. Nothing else.
>>727746265Metaphor is when lazy name
>>727747148kino
>>727744281Doom 2016 actually does feel like prime 1 at times.
>>727746971What do you think dumbass?
>>727745312>This diarrhea donut is no worse than this other shit smoothie and crap cupcake
can you fool the amiibo shit with a phone app for android or ios?
>>727747365Nintendoids love their whataboutism.
I love prime games for their immersion, lonely vibes, and cool alien world.Nothing destroys that like a big empty desert and annoying NPCs.
>>727747296if you think darksouls is metroidvania, who knows what the fuck is going through your head?how is a game about running through areas once and NOT gaining mandatory new abilities possibly a metroidvania? just because you get to choose which four bosses you pursue in ds1?I don't recall the part in darksouls where I got a giant hammer that interacted with hammer switches and had to go to the place with other hammer switches to clear the way forward. the stuff you gain in darksouls is optional playstyles for its combat.they are not keys to progression, as you seem to know about.I think the only time I backtracked in a darksouls game is in ds2 for a certain ending when you have to enter the tree-looking giants and kill them in their dreams or some shit, and even that wasn't some "ability", its like getting a key to a door.by the way, not every game with literal keys is a metroidvania, the big takeaway is that your abilities unlock the way forward. Fucking luigi's mansion is as much of a metroidvania as darksouls is. putting the daggers in the elden ring gargoyle statues is not an "ability"kicking down a ladder or unlocking a door from the backside is not metroidvania. lots of adventure games implement shortcuts.
>>727748269By this logic Symphony of the Night isn’t a Metroidvania because becoming a bat isn’t that impressive.
>>727748269NTA but half of the genre is 'vania' as in Castlevania, and it's not like Metroid.
>>727737208like you're doing right now? Dread was praised on release, it even won /v/'s GOTY
I am kinda shocked how linear the game is. Defeats the purpose of the open world hub if you are railroaded to a specific dungeon order.
I could make my own thread but we're so saturated that it seems silly.I just finished and the game is absolutely at it's best for the 2nd and 3rd fifths. It starts to take a down turn at the volcano with incredibly constant npc presence that removes the essence of metroid.This sucks because the metroid gameplay was good, the individual biomes were fantastic. Tying them together with a desert was abysmal, just make it 6 different zones.I know everyone just wants to drag it down but the new stuff really does take what could have been a good 8, 8.5/10 and drops it to a 6/10.I dunno if I can even rec the game to people who like metroid (prime specifically) because the negatives are so overwhelmingly against what Metroid is.
>Volt place>Go to tower>Go down three elevators>Activate tower>Go back up>Go to second tower>Go down three elevators>Activate tower>Go back up>Go to third tower>Bike tutorial>Boss>Done?????????????????????????Who made this shit and approved it.
>>727748818Volt Forge is the best area followed by Ice Belt.>but it's super linearI have bad fucking news bro, the whole game is beyond linear. This is Prime 3 on steroids in that regard.
>>727748269>Dark Souls is not a Metroidvania cause I said so!!Too bad for you the creator of Dark Souls disagrees with you, and openly cited Super Metroid as inspiration for the design of DaS1.
>>727698932that is a straight lie. 1 was good. because it is new. 2 was ok because it start to wear out its welcome. 3 was dogshit because it got boring.
>>727748928NTA but what do you think differentiates an adventure game from a metroidvania? As a Souls hater (stopped reading right thee, sure, whatever), I thought it definitely leaned far more into standard action game formats.He can take inspiration from Super Metroid, sure, but I don't think I'd equate the game design to Metroids.
>>727698689If you feel like that at dungeon 2, just quit now. It gets worse.
>>727749008I think you're just arguing in circles now cause you refuse to admit you're wrong. I already made my case extremely clear here:>>727743001I didn't say it had to "feel like Metroid" I told you the experience is akin to unraveling a knotted ball of yarn. It's more akin to moving through a labyrinth. Whether or not you get upgrades.Zelda does not play like that at all. The focus is not on exploration and careful navigation and resource management. It's corpse runs, which became popular through Dark Souls, provided a solid evolution on the formula, because they emphasized the grueling feeling of navigating this hostile labyrinth and feeling isolated.The point is the formula has evolved in numerous ways and has seen tons of exploration conceptually since the days of Super Metroid and Prime 1, but Prime 4 ignored all of that and remained stuck to Prime 1 while slapping an open world on top.When the series should have taken a step back and looked at what else could be done to enhance the key elements that elevate this experience. Which they didn't.
>>727747613you can't use a phone directly but you can flash a ntag215 tag/card/whatever with the amiibo data using TagMo and the resulting "fake" amiibo works even on unhacked consoles so long as they don't try to rewrite the read-write half
>>727748903Prime 3 is a much better game than 4, even the linearity is done better as you're always engaging with setpieces against the pirates in 3
>>727749471I think the individual areas are far stronger artistically and mechanically but I can see the background setting of the corruption and space pirate theming propping 3 above it for you.
>>727746680does nintendo bans switch 2 for doing this?
>>727749646how are they gonna know
>>727748424I did not say an ability has to be impressive, you have jumped to this conclusion entirely on your own by misinterpreting what I said or you are straw manning.you can use the bat ability to not only get through doors but also traverse the environment, it IS an ability used throughout the game and it is not just a literal key. thats a good example.>>727748471castlevania games have much more emphasis on combat, but the overall goal is the game is to gain abilities to reach the next area. combat is treated as an obstacle. Darksouls alsofeatures a ton of combat in its areas and its famous bosses, but you do not gain permanent abilities to traverse the land or use intravenously in combat.an example pulled out of my ass would be a charging a jump that does damage when you land on enemies and it breaks certain floors. Darksouls does not do that.I personally do not enjoy the combat focused games like castlevania and hollowknight as much as metroid but I will not sit here and tell you they are not metroidvanias, or that darksouls counts as one to begin with>>727748928okay? so?just because a game inspires das1 does not mean that game is automatically that genre.lots of elements of a game can be inspired like music, narrative theming, plot elements, gameplay, without changing the genre. here is an example: you make dialogue choices in souls games when you talk to npc's. is darksouls a visual novel? no.that would be completely insane and stupid to say souls games are VN's right? so why is darksouls a metroidvania?
>>727748818Halo devs. I’ve said it other threads but the whole feels like Halo 4.
>>727749801>castlevania games have much more emphasis on combatanon, Dark Souls ..
>>727749646All it sees is that an amiibo nfc was scanned. It has no idea what it came from and it doesn't care.
What's with this sudden narrative shift that Prime 3 was good?I remember never wanting to play it again after I beat it on the Wii. Remembering it fondly for specific levels or moments like the Sky level, but the overall experience being SIGNIFICANTLY worse than the other Prime games.Now all of the sudden it feels like people are arguing that Prime 4 is "good" because it's about as shit as Prime 3 was. Which I overall disliked.
>>727749646Miyamoto will personally fly to your house to shit down your throat.
>>727749801Dark Souls is closer to Super Metroid than Zelda will ever be.
>>727749914It's not that Prime 3 was good, it's generally regarded as the weakest of its trilogy, but still worthy. The framing is that it's about on line with that design wise, so it's still worth your time if you didn't dislike Prime 3.Which, to be fair, if you had any interest in Prime 4, that applies to you.
I keep forgetting about the psychic beam thing where you control its movement. i spent a long time in the ice beam room just trying to double jump through the window around the platform. then on the last part of the dragon fight i kept thinking that surely the game wanted me to go inside the mouth in morphball and bomb its guts but i couldn't figure out how to get over there. had to redo that phase like 10 times because he gets back up after like 30 seconds and regens hpnot saying it's the game's fault, but at this point in the game i rarely use this thing so i forget its an option
>>727749862you were talking about castlevania in that post, what are you on about>NTA but half of the genre is 'vania' as in Castlevania, and it's not like Metroid.you good?
>>727709003This, Primefags love putting 2D Metroid into Prime's failures, Prime 4 will kill the Prime series altogether while 2D Metroid will continue as "Metroid".>>727707925>>727709110You ignore the fact that Nintendo will just have another studio that specializes in making 2.5D Metroid-like games to work on 2D Metroid. You also ignore the fact that Nintendo could and most likely will build up an EPD team to specifically make 2D Metroid and have them make it. 2D Metroid is not nor was it ever exclusive to MercurySteam. Samus Returns and Dread were led by the people that worked on Fusion and Zero Mission, and led development on Other M and Samus Returns, remember that well, anon. It's a completely different situation from the Prime games.
>>7277499142 >> 1 >> 3but 3 still isn't that bad imo. 4 is a step down from 3 but probably not as big of a gap as between the other games
>>727750003If it was "worthy" then I'd be inclined to replay it like I am with the other two. Which I'm not. The game is genuinely unfun and has aged poorly.
>>727750001thats still not very close at allthats like saying the number 2 is closer to 100, than the number 1 is. you aren't wrong, but you are missing the point.
>>727750103Then Prime 4 won't be for you either, that's fine. I'd put it as the worst prime game, though I'm coming off that incredibly mediocre ending.
>>727746776SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGGOT, MP2 WAS THE MOST BORING IN THE TRILOGY.KYS
>>727750039>Prime 4 will kill the Prime series altogether while 2D Metroid will continue as "Metroid"Doesn't seem like Nintendo views it that way. Other M wasn't a prime game or a 2D game but it still put the series on ice. 2D metroid is hanging on a thread despite Dread's success, they'll take any excuse to drop the series and just fund more mario spinoffs and fire emblem
>>727729878The fact that there are Phils and cubicles completely destroys any mystique the Metroid universe had left.
why is the ost so trash? prime 3 wasn't great but at least it gave us some bangershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nMFLquJeCc
>>727750114First of all. The original anon has been trying to frame this narrative that Prime 4 is like old Zelda, and Metroid has always been like Zelda, and that if you don't like Prime 4 then Aonuma was right. See >>727709506Second of all, you can argue with until you're blue in the face, but there is obvious inspiration in Dark Souls, from Super Metroid and Prime 1 in how non-linear progression is structured. So much so, that the corpse runs concept fit like a ring in Hollow Knight which is EXTREMELY similar to Super Metroid. Add on onto that Miyazaki has been on record citing Super Metroid as inspiration.Does this mean that the game "within the same genre?"Well, genres are a classification mechanism used by people. Nothing fits into a box perfectly. What is evident though, is that both games, Dark Souls and Super Metroid go out of their way to simulate the feeling of unraveling a labyrinth in how they frame their exploration and progression.The whole argument, is a slap to the face to the idiotic fanboys who are oversimplifying genuine criticisms people have of Prime 4 with stupid shit like>Hurr u mad it's linear but u also mad it's open world? Make up your mind hurr Durr hypocrite!By framing a clear example on that there's definitely a clear middle line between this binary of extremes, and plenty of games have explored this progression structure. And no, it's not like Zelda either.
>>727706196There's a difference between linear in progression and linear in level design
>>727750467You uhh sound mad
Anyone else feel the intro was something left over from some earlier iteration of the game? Having Metroids and Space Pirates there, but zero sign of them afterwards along with no foreshadowing to the 5 Feds you meet on Viewros makes it feel entirely divorced from the main game. (No I don't care the Guardian scans say they were mutated by Metroids. I refuse to believe that happened yet somehow you never see a single one.) Wonder if anyone is sckuring the game files for cut content already.
>>727750467>there is obvious inspiration in Dark Souls, from Super Metroid and Prime 1 in how non-linear progression is structurednigga if you think any non-linear game had to be inspired by these two games, then i think you might be legally retarded
>>727750170it was vastly superior and had the best and most mechanically stimulating boss fights>PROOF???ChykkaPower Bomb GuardianQuadraxisEmperor Ing
How much do you think focus testers fucked this game over
>>727708624level design is what matters to metroidvanias if there's a few actual forks in the road in terms of progression path that's just a bonus
>>727750639i think the intro was alright as a way to show samus being whisked away somewhere with the troopers. but just having a throw away line in every boss log about how metroids fused with them somehow is so fucking retarded
>>727750601Well, THAT just happened, amirite?
>>727750467The similarities between Prime and Zelda run very deep. You can easily parse the influence Ocarina of Time has had on it. It's filled with sequences where you perform an action and a scene plays where control is taken from the player. The level design has the player go to a region and stay put there as you go room to room obtaining new abilities and items that enable farther progress to be made in that region. The only time you really leave a region is to go to a new one where your recently acquired game mechanic has unlocked that progression. You're a fool if you handwave it all away. It's likely that you find fault in the narrative because you are stuck in your ways, thinking something along the lines of Prime is just like Super. They do not play the same however, when you are keen to the stark differences between them.
>>727750639Most likely. You can sort of see the original game in the overall game. The intro, the Viola factory segment. I’m guessing when the rebooted it, it was in an unplayable state by consensus of play testers and didn’t have enough content, so they had to pad it out best they could to salvage development time.
>>727749914I liked 3 and I always did, its you guys who just shit on it.i replay 3 more than 1 just because the map feels less repetitive than running laps through magmoor caverns or getting the sky temple keysyes, hypermode isnt perfect, yes the hint system is made worse by the linear level design and tighter map compartmentalization. but the game is not bad on its own merits. They tried to make the idea of backtracking more appealing by dumbing it down, the cold truth is that metroidvanias are not for the brain dead masses and its a mistake to keep sacrificing what makes them genuinely special.but I do like all the good stuff 3 does too. S tier environments and great OST. Hypermode shines in a few moments like escorting the bomb squad. Good boss fights that still hold up. I'm more mad that 3 doesn't have super missiles and that missiles in general feel very weakI love spamming missiles in prime 1 and 2 instead of constantly charging, fuck that noise. and nothing feels better than popping a rezbit in sanctuary fortress with a super missile and seeing its yellow shielding shatter and disperse in the air, or chunking boss health bars.
>>727750796I'm not even going to begin to try to untangle this nonsensical drivel of fanboy slop.Believe what you want to believe. It's clear nothing will changer your mind.
>>727709806/tv/ catalog gets spammed with images like this
>>727750876It's only because you have a sophomore understanding of game design like many normies.
why is the load time on the pod in the forest so fucking long? none of the other areas have transitions this bad
Why is Samus doing all this
>>727750943The Switch 1 is not a very powerful console. Fury Green has a lot of attention to detail to load. Have you even stopped to notice that the ants pick up and carry stuff along the branches.
>>727709506This was why I never liked the Prime series. They felt like first person Zelda games over Metroid games in 3D. While I love Zelda for these reasons and love the direction the series took with BOTW and TOTK. Metroid Prime should have become more like 2D Metroid instead of just being the same 2002 game with new gimmicks thrown in it every time.
>>727710092>the soundtrackit's so shit though, not a single memorable song. theme for the thunder forge is alright but if that's supposed to be carrying it then that's a sad lineup
>>727743001I don't remember Metroid being about fucking puzzle solving, retard. He's right, Metroid Prime is just a first person Zelda game complete with Z-Targeting. You can deny this all you want. I started with 2D Metroid and the first time I played Prime, it felt like an FPS Zelda game but not as fun.
>>727710094Kill Luna
>>727750993sure but when you go from the desert to the forest it's fine, really short. it's just teleporting to the back of the forest that takes forever. whatever long hallway there is between the teleporter room and the "real" forest there is that might mask loading definitely doesn't take half the time to traverse as the pod scene, it's like a full minute
>>727751008>Metroid Prime should have become more like 2D Metroid insteadExactly.
>>727744281This and I thought Returnal was shit
>>727747253>UnrealTake me back
>>727751293In what way is it not like 2D metroid besides not being 2D?
>>727750196Other M was a part of the main series, Sakamoto went on break, mainline Metroid didn't have a developer to make the games for a while, the team was on other projects. Things might change though since Nintendo is hiring for 2D and 3D developers at EPD while building another building for game development for both games. So, 2D Metroid may eventually get a home going forward without the need for outsourcing.
>>727750467I should clear this up by saying I'm not the first anon, I just thought it was random as fuck and absurd that you cited darksouls as metroidvania. i guess that makes way more sense why you guys called me a zelda fanboy lmao.uh, It really does not change anything whether darksouls was inspired by super metroid or not, or even that the dev said so. The simple matter of fact is that darksouls is not a metroidvania, despite being inspired by it. exploring a labyrinth, by itself, does not define metroidvania. thats just an adventure game. Metroidvania games are considered adventure games (because you explore), but not all adventure games are metroidvanias.the progression of darksouls does not fit metroidvania, you just walk around and kill bosses. Yea sometimes the road will split and you gotta pick direction A or direction B, and you will probably come back and check out the one you didnt choose first, that is still not enough to say darksouls is metroidvania. I will break this down as simple as I can:are you searching through areas you already explored with a new ability that is designed to grant you access to a new area, and does that new area feature environment or enemy interactions that work with your new ability? Does that new area have something you cannot interact with or an area you cannot reach that requires another new ability?Darksouls does not do that. Darksouls is not a metroidvania. You are an insane person. Good day, sir
