According to November 2025's Steam hardware survey, Linux gained 0.15% marketshare in November. Windows and Mac use is down. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Steam-Linux-November-2025I think it's quite realistic that accounting for a desktop release of SteamOS, Steam Frame and Steam Machine that we see 5% by 2027 and 7% overall by 2030. That's 10 million users. At that point, the anti-cheat problem solves itself because no one's gonna want to miss out on 10 million potential customers.Hold the line. #NoTuxNoBux
>>727700617You are a pigskin, please kys or use windows
Linux is garbage and nothing will change that. Anyone with a brain will stick to Windows.Also it is hilarious that the entire basis of linux gaming is emulating Windows. Like why not just cut the middleman by this point?
steam machine won't meaningfully affect markeshares unless it undercuts the competition like the steam deck did with UMPCspast trials of linux prebuilts have shown that consumers will not buy a PC that has linux instead of windows unless it comes with a STEEP discount (this is literally how chromebooks found a market)and valve has gone to great lengths to show that they do NOT want to do that
>>727700754Because Windows is the middleman at this point.
>>727700754windows is also garbage thoughand it gets worse day day, my dear aquajeet
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FYI 3.20% of an estimated 142 million monthly active Steam users is 4.7 million on Linux.Linux marketshare is growing in proportion to Steam growing. It's actually pretty impressive.>>727700754Proton is so good that it's running some Windows-native games better than Windows does natively despite the compatibility layer. How much of a bloated piece of shit is Windows for that to fucking happen?
>>727700754the "middleman" doesn't mine my data, nag at me all the time, and break something with every update.
>>727700617Nvidia says they'll release the fix but it's been over a decade now. By the time it finally does come out we'll already be on Windows 12. The cube isn't gonna sell shit btw, it'll sell worse than the Ouya because it has no market. PC gamers already have a PC and console plebs are just going to keep using their PS5 Pro because even in cube form a PC is too complicated for their feeble minds.
I got my racing wheel to work!The only outstanding thing now is custom modesets (display refresh rates) on KDE Wayland. Once I can set my 165hz monitor to 120hz I'm golden.
>>727700917>Proton is so good that it's running some Windows-native games better than Windows does natively despite the compatibility layerThis is always a lie. It only happens in very rare fringe cases because of driver fuckery. 99% of the time using Proton is a performance downgrade compared to running the game natively on Windows.
>>727700617Time to buy
>>727700926Cool neither does Windows if you are smart enough to set it up the way you want. My Windows has no ads, doesn't datamine, doesn't nag me, and the updates never break anything although I could easily disable updates if I wanted to. It took me all but 10 minutes to set all that up.
>>727701001>This is always a lie.>It...happensstfu jeet
>>727700787>steam machine won't meaningfully affect markesharesdid you miss all the clueless retards that are waiting for steamos desktop edition?>past examplesliterally everything pre 2022 doesn't matter
What desktop Linux companies are public that I can invest in. GET IN EARLY BOYS DESKTOP PC IS ALL LINUX.
>>727700754You are indian.
I've actually helped two of my normie friends migrate over to Linux (Mint & Fedora respectively) and they've stuck with it as they aren't even dual-booting anymore. These are the kinds of people who just a year ago wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole. Windows 11 has seriously put off enough people to the point that people who couldn't haven given a shit just a short time prior are switching and sticking. Sure this is anecdotal but the winds are definitely changing.
What is Linux?Is it like a complete OS?Can I format and install it? And does it have an anti-virus like windows defender?
>>727700787>>727700928You're underestimating the value of low level optimizations that are inherent to a single SKU. Look at how much better PS5 games run games compared to an equivalent PC spec. Valve was able to fix Elden Ring's PC port via Proton and remains objectively better than every Windows installation.https://youtu.be/o1HuX2_Hhss>>727701083Invest in RISC-V. It's a loooooooooooooooong play but it's honestly great advice.
>>727701001in my experience, linux benefits weaker systems a lot more due to the massively reduced overhead and system resource usage compared to windowsso unless you have 64 gigs of ram and a 5090, you will probably see better frametimes and 1%s on linux
>>727700754>Linux is garbage and nothing will change that. Anyone with a brain will stick to Windows.Good bait
>>727701059I spent 0 minutes since that crap didn't exist on my OS to begin with
>>727701170>Look at how much better PS5 games run games compared to an equivalent PC specthe ugly truth is that mainstream multiplatform games are often developed with under the table deals to make the console versions run better on purpose to justify their existenceit's a less extreme version of timed exclusive agreements in a way
>>727701169Linux is a free and open source operating system and it runs ~90% of your Windows games perfectly fine thanks to Proton that converts DirectX12 and other Windows-dependencies to Linux-compatible instructions in real time.The remaining 10% that are broken are kernel anti-cheat related, something that Windows users and Microsoft itself should've never allowed in the first place. If anti-cheat were removed or whitelisted to work on Linux those games would work just fine.You can login and check your library's compatibility here.http://protondb.com>>727700928>NvidiaIrrelevant thanks to Optiscaler converting DLSS to FSR4
>>727701059>It took me all but 10 minutes to set all that upit took me 0 minutes to not touch microsoft slop
>>727701169Burn Bazzite on an USB stick and install it
>>727700754windows is the middlemanproton was developed by valve
You would be a fucking idiot to continue using Windows in TYOOL 2025. Make it your new year's resolution to migrate away. It's only going to get worse lmfao
>>727701059i didn't have to do any of that with linux
>>727700617I was part of that .15%while I will stick with it it's kinda annoying how much stuff just doesn't werk. My games play kinda shittier than usual and for some reason my jarpig games won't display some cut scenes properly.
>>727701059see >>727701580https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/29/microsoft-ceo-says-up-to-30-of-the-companys-code-was-written-by-ai/Copilot is fine in the right hands provided the right context but 1.) Indians2.) 40 years of legacy code and a notoriously convoluted codebasetl;dr - copilotted AI code is only as good as your engineers and the context you feed it. Both are bad in M$'s case.
>>727701514>>727701437You're spending hours to make one single game playable and don't lie and pretend you don't have to do that, I tried to get into Linux gaming just a few months ago and the amount of setup it requires is insane (and so is the amount of problems you can run into).
>>727701812Here is my library according to ProtonDB. Almost every broken game is some chink shit using obscure dependencies that required root permissions or kernel anti-cheat garbage that should've never been used in the first place.
>>727701812>it takes hours to check this one thing in the steam menu
>>727701985>>727702176It only takes a google search to know that linux has a lot of problems running games. You won't convince anyone with your lies.
huge gains for bazzite and cachy
>>727702239so.. the same as windows but without malware and copilot, thanks
>install windows>spend an hour turning off settings and modifying registry entries (all of which will turn themselves back on after the next update)>run 10 shady closed source "debloating" scripts from russians to make the system usable>painstakingly hunt down and install every piece of software I want one by one, waiting for each one to run it's installer and having to restart for some of them>manually unistall and disable dozens of pointless programs that autorun on start and steal my system resources>after all of this, I still have ads in the start menu and the file explorer doesn't work>install linux (e.g. CachyOS)>KDE comes preinstalled and has sane defaults, I only need to turn off mouse acceleration for gaymen and check the display settings to set the refresh rate just in case>type sudo pacman -S steam (and whatever else I want) into the terminal, all the software is installed automatically>open steam and click the box that says "enable steam play for all titles">99% of my games now work out of the box
>>727702176whenever something is rated "silver" on ProtonDB that just means 90-95% of the time that I have to swap to the experimental branch. I don't even spend thirty seconds troubleshooting shit anymore. It all just werks>>727702239>Google in TYOOL 2025Disgusting.
>>727700926You can pause updates indefinitely and also stop Windows from downloading the wrong drivers automatically.
>>727701170>>727701483That still doesn't fix the fucked performance in DirectX 12 games. I get 30-40 extra FPS just by using Windows as of now.
>>727702326why the fuck are people still using manjaro when that shit is just arch but worse and broken?
>>727702390>>727702450Stop falling >>727702239 's bait. It's shit bait and somehow you keep biting.
>>727700617It's already 7% for English-language users.
>>727702517They see it as "easy to game on arch". Trust me, I was one of those retards years ago. And the memes are true, that shit broke more than any other distro I have ever used.
>>727702491>NvidiaThat's their fault. Not Linux.Works just fine on my 9070XT.I understand why Nvidia users stay on Windows but you'd be dumb to buy another Nvidia card and continue using Windows given the state of things.
>>727702326flatpak steam is a fucking sin against humanity
>>727702653I love SteamOS and Bazzite because it's immutable. I'm sure I could gain a frame or two on Arch/Cachy but I like being retard-proofed.I'm already doing enough moving away from Windows. Just give me stability and maintainability.
Nvidia drivers just got worsehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqzpp78Ood8Whatever happened to "they're fixing DX12 guys just 2 more weeks"
>>727701070>self hating jeetsit's so sad to see
>>727702751I used Bazzite for a while but then I got into trouble and it was a pain to find out how to fix anything there. I'd like to use spectacle for desktop recording instead of having to install a different tool, and in Bazzite it didn't work.
>>727702878you'll lose izzat if you keep reposting this winjeet
>>727702801It's not much better on Windows either. The RTX4090 will be the last Nvidia GPU I ever buy. 2025 has been a disaster and I feel like they all retired all at once because their stock became insanely overvalued. Why work if you're a multi-millionaire? I'll switch to AMD's UDNA chiplet design in 2027. My time spent on Nvidia and Windows is almost over.
>>727702751Proud of you son for being part of the vanguard of change. There's nothing wrong with Bazzite. I don't care for it (or immutable distros at all for that matter) but that doesn't matter. It's a perfectly good distro and super easy for the linux newbie to get started on while being stable and modern. When I started using Linux, it didn't exist. Manjaro was one of the only "gaming focused" distros.
>>727702660I can't believe how much better Linux is, lads. It's made computing fun again.
>>727702801expecting anything from nvidia at this point is insane, even their windows drivers went to shitthey're only interested in the AI money right now, hopefully that shit pops soon
>>7277030352025 drivers*The moment the 50 series got announced my 4090 went to shit. I'm still on 566.36.
>>727702517because it's old and it had its reputation as retard arch for a while until it eventually got dethroned by the likes of endeavour and cachy and soon steamos
>>727700946You can do this but it's a bit of a pain in the fucking neck. You basically need to edit an EDID file with the added modeline and load it on boot. On x11 it's so much easier it's not even funny.
>>727703154That first feeling of:>I can do whatever the fuck I want with my computer againis like nothing else in the world. It's like being a little kid using a computer for the first time again. Enjoy it.
>>727703258It's crazy how much of a walled garden Windows feels like despite being a PC. Once you make the switch, you're able to identify the bullshit you tolerated and it's like you see how much of a cage you were in.
>>727700754Thank you balpreet for sticking up for us windows boys! Here in bangladesh we all do the winows!
This is going to sound retarded but hear me out.Is there any way to set up loonix so that I can use my nvidia GPU -only- for games and my AMD GPU for the rest?Nvidia has issues that my AMD GPU doesn't have, but the AMD one is considerably weaker, older, gathering dust. My motherboard supports installing 2 GPUs. So I was thinking of somehow offloading everything tough to the 4070 while using my weaker AMD GPU for the desktop and everything that isn't intensive.I know this is the kind of setup that people use for GPU passthrough, but I'm not sure I want a setup where I'm using Windows on a virtual machine. Would this be any better than running games through Proton? isn't there a latency problem?
>retards accusing linux supporters of being indian>retards accusing windows supporters of being indianworst buzzword of /v/ history
>>727700754Saar, high caste Modi saar said to doing Linux ONLY. Windows needful drop use and revert, saar.
>>727703258I booted into my Windows partition to get some files from a VM>it put me in that shill screen>please enable onedrive>please use edge>please use our "recommended defaults">please don't skip everything>please use copilot and let us collect telemetrywhen I get to the desktop>5+ notifications about my applications being out of date>windows update saying I need to update right now I got what I needed from my VM and wiped that windows partition. Windows is completely gone from my machine now. All my storage disks are even LUKS encrypted with linux filesystems, fstabbed and cryptabbed
>>727703643jeets run microsoft
>>727703643Everyone is Indian
>>727703545That sounds like an insanely convoluted setup. Even if it were possible, you probably don't want to do that for a myriad of reasons. >>727703643The entire fucking leadership team is indian and in tech they tend to engage in extreme caste-based nepotism.
>>727701027>make the chart go from 0 to 8 while ignoring the other 92% to make it look like it went to the top>in reality it went from pathetically low numbers to still pathetically low numbers>inb4 BUT IT DOUBLEDdoubling numbers don't mean shit when they're low, this is like saying concord playerbase went from 3 players to 6 sales
>>727702801AMD is still worse lol
Today I had the misfortune of seeing the official process of updating W10 to W11, full with both TPM and Secure Boot enabled, so no patches, no trickery.It took roughly 6 hours to update. There was no indication the updating process was stuck.
>>727703653>take 1 minute installing windows with rufus>automatically skip online login and all that other shitimagine being so bad at computers you get filtered by an OS that is actually user friendly
>>727703653BASED >>7277039823.2% = nearly 5 million users. No serious person would say that's an insignificant market at that scale.
>>727703982>pathetically low numbersa pathetically low number of windows users can even install a fucking iso retardthis is literally all off spoken word whereas windows ships with every single prebuilt and laptop
>>727703982Ironically I grew up in Elijah's hometown (Cedar Rapids Iowa) and I know for a fact that he uses Linux on his desktop. He wouldn't appreciate this post/reaction pic combo anon
what browser do you use to browse 4chins
>>727704247firefox forks are the only real choicebase firefox is pozzed and chromium is botnet
>>727704007I have less display issues with my AMD GPU, that's why I want to do it>>727703848I see that it is possible by seeing a good amount of people have this sort of setup for virtualization. But it seems like there is definitely a performance loss from this.
>>727703848https://wiki.cachyos.org/configuration/dual_gpu/does this sound like it'll help?
>>727704207>a pathetically low number of windows users can even install a fucking iso retardExactly. These are enthusiasts and enthusiasts tend to spend money. Probably at a significantly higher rate than the avg Windows user.>>727704247https://zen-browser.app/ (Firefox-based alternative to Arc browser)I'm on a 4K screen so the side tab menu is actually pretty nice.
>>727704501meant for>>727703545
>>727704501>>727703545That seems to resolve your issues perfectly but I would definitely just grab a high-end AMD card going forward. I've had some trouble dealing with nvidia/AMD combo GPU setups via virtualization passthrough but maybe modern Arch Linux handles it nicely. It's been about ten years since I tried anything remotely similar to this.
>>727704247Librewolf. Ignore retards who complain about that one tranny dev or whatever. The software is solid, its compatible, and it's got great privacy features.
>>727704247Firefox is the only one that works well with 4chanxt for meChromium based browsers always have weird freezes and stutter when opening images in some threads I have never figured out why
>>727704730Zen's privacy defaults are extremely similar to Librewolf btw. I like it and it's worth delving into the config for a more customizable browser I think.
>>727703982If you wrote a scientific paper and made the Y axis to go 100 on a plot containing data that only goes up to 7, it would be rejected for publication. Squishing all the data into the bottom of a chart doesn't improve readability. Nobody who can read is being tricked by the Y axis not being the full range of possible values, so making the axis go to 100 would just make the data more difficult to see, which would serve no purpose except for advancing your Windows shill agenda.
>>727704007>literal who youtuber says soBut anyways I had constant issues with Nvidia which all went away once I switched to AMD.
>Linux gained 0.15% marketshare
>>727704007AMD drivers are amazing on Linux because their open source.Almost as if... open source is good...Also:https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Windows-RX-5000-6000-Game>AMD is reportedly moving the Radeon RX 5000 / RX 6000 series more to a "maintenance mode" with their Radeon Software Windows driver and will stop focusing on game optimization updates for those RDNA 1 and RDNA 2 GPUs.>For Linux users, this doesn't mean much if anything, just as similar deprecation notices and end-of-life announcements for their Windows driver haven't really impacted Linux users over the years. Windows bros...
>>727705243>Their open source
>>727705183It gained 0.37% in the month before that.OP just never looked at the hardware survey before.
>>727705243they're*
>>727705342I have. It's just a new all time high to gloat about.+0.5% marketshare without preinstalls is insane. As another anon ITT mentioned before, the avg Windows user doesn't even know how to boot from a fucking ISO
>>727705314>meanwhile back in reality
>>727703982>BUT IT DOUBLEDIt actually quadrupled since the start of the graph.
>>727701059>doesn't nag meYes it does, it updates when it wants, not when you want, and those updates can undo all that shit you thought you was smart about setting up so no it doesn't take 10 minutes to setup. My current PC will be the last time I use Windows 10. The moment my SSD needs a format or dies I am switching to linux and never going back.
>>727705606>It actually quadrupled since the start of the graphDespite Steam growing as well. That's insane and anyone who downplays that is incredibly dumb.
>>727705183soon you will kneel to your linux gods
>>727704115>it turns itself back on after an updateMicrosoft always turn shit back on after some time without asking. This is known behaviour.
HUGE Linux gains!!! 0.15% new market share amongst turbonerds! This is world changing! >>727703653This but at least it used to fucking work. The last time I used windows went like this >boop up>You need to install windows 11! Windows 10 is no longer supported! >Ok, lets install 11. >Your motherboard doesnt support Windows 11, sorry! >wtf>look it up >If you edit your regristry keys and issue these arcane commands, you can actually still install 11 nope fuck off if I need to do linux level configuration to get this adware to work im just going to use linux.
>>727704501I'll check this out>>727704670About half a year ago I was considering a 9070XT but now it's a bit too late for that (with prices increasing and having spent too much on stuff that's unrelated) and it's not a huge jump from my nvidia GPU. Going forward I'd like to go back to AMD for sure, after a few headaches on nvidia, but I've also seen a few things that work better on nvidia somehow. Like Davinci, I think I never got Davinci to work fine on AMD.Right now I'm considering this, but it comes with a sacrifice, because I have two NVMes and I must sacrifice one of them to get this dual GPU setup to work. I'm wondering if, with GPU passthrough, it'd be worth running the sort of software wine shits itself with that is not a game (like paid editing software).
>>7277063579070xt prices are the lowest they've ever been, what are you on abouti bought mine for 80 bongs more than it's currently going for
hows the modding on linux? can i expect a random stalker modpack from an autistic russian dude to just werk?
>>727706584Well now I checked you're right.In any case it's not like I can afford this right now and I'm not putting myself in a bit of debt for something that I don't consider such a massive jump from my 4070S. I can be a waitfag for this. My camera needs more expensive lenses.
>>727706753I've modded fallout 1 and 2, used old half life mods, modded the bethesda fallouts, modded doom, there's been nothing I've wanted to mod that I couldn't mod. If it's a windows game you just have to understand how to install mods into the same wine prefix as you installed the game into. You can install mod managers that same way too. There are very rare cases where you might have to tell wine to use a .dll file included with a game/mod but I only had to do that a couple of times.
>>727706753that entirely depends on the the tools and how the mods were madeyou don't have to switch fully, personally i have my windows on a cheapshit old ssd for emergencies though i haven't had to use it beyond my keyboard's drivers only being accessible through windows
>>727706753STALKER GAMMA is just a script downloader with a fancy GUI window so once you run the script and wrap the exe in Proton you're good to go.Wabbajack is a little more convoluted since you have to use a script to get it running but once it works it's fine https://github.com/Omni-guides/JackifyI use MO2 and Vortex interchangably and both just werks
>>727706753It really depends on the game. Steam workshop mods obviously work fine, games with a basic mod folder usually work fine, but if a game relies on some 3rd party modding organizer you're probably going to have a bad time. Most installers should work through wine I imagine.
>>727701328meanwhile linux crashes and burns if you look at it badly
>>727709418I just looked at my Linux Mint badly and it's still running...
>>727700617>Linux gained 0.15%>Windows 11 gained 2.02%It's over, Microsoft is finished!
>>727709647what a convenient omission of facts you had thereWindows marketshare shrank as they were EOLing 10 despite the 11 gains.
>>727701001anything slightly old that runs better on windows 7 than 10 will run better on proton than 10
>>727706753Depends on if you have to deal with Linux's one actual weakness, its assbackwards file structure
>>727710149What's wrong with it?>system files are in /usr/bin and /usr/lib and I don't know what those meanThat's fine because it's your package manager's job to touch those and if you're touching them manually then you're fucking up. GUI programs you installed should be in the menu and CLI programs you installed should be in your $PATH, and if you want to remove them then it's your package manager's job, so you literally don't need to know where they live.>configuration files and game saves are all over the placeThere's actually a standard (config files in ~/.config/, other data in ~/.local/), and if you want to talk about developers not following the standard, that's also a massive problem on Windows. I've had games put save files in my Documents folder on both operating systems. It's disgusting but it's not a Linux problem.>but... where's my C:/ drive???It's called /. There's nothing intuitive about file paths starting with C:/.
