No more beating around the bush. In your opinion, was Metroid Prime ever good?
1 and 2 were, yes.
>>727720312Yes, similar to Dark Souls, only the first game was good. The rest where linear trash.
>>727720312Only overrated one is Prime 3. I notice it's always the people filtered by 2 that praise 3.
>>727720312>Was Metroid Prime as a franchise overrated?Yes. 3D Metroid is fucking trash. Always has been.
>>727720312>Is it overrated?Its a nintendo IP, what do you think? The only prime game that isn't totally overrated is prime 2.
>game series gets a bad entry>contrarian shitposters start popping out of the woodwork to spam "erm uhm akshually sweetie, dont you know this series was always LE BAD?"
>>727720603Except it's actually true this time and deep down you know it too, anon.
>>727720791no its not>t. played the prime trilogy on primehack a couple years ago
>>727720312It's overrated. Echoes is a proper 9/10, Prime is a fair 8/10, and Corruption is probably around a 7/10. The games are hard carried by aesthetics because the GameCube limited the overall design due to control scheme limitations. The most disappointing thing about Beyond (in my opinion) is that they still haven't overhauled the controls to feel less clunky. It's hard to feel powerful in Prime games compared to the 2D games.
>>727720312yes, it was only praised by the mouth droolers who got gatekept by the bridge in super metroid
3 was highly over rated critically but people seemed to be generally aware that it was the worst and made mistakes. Then over the years it got retconned into being good because people always lumped the three together as a trilogy (and the actual trilogy release obviously)4 makes the same mistakes as 3 but its better overall
>>727720312Yes, the Prime games are overrated, but I came to that conclusion long before Prime 4 came out. Good for their time though, but playing them again now isn't as great as I'd remembered when I first played them.
>>727721437>rates two out of three games as near perfect>overratedniggers like you have single handily ruined rating
>>727720312Echoes is home to me
>>727720312No, but the first one was ok.
>>727720603My favorite thing to do whenever this happens is to bait them into exposing that they've never played any of the games in the series. During the peak of the BG3 /v/tard meltdown I got so many self proclaimed "lifelong fans" of Baldur's Gate to reveal that they didn't even know the first two games were real time with pause.I guarantee if you posted something like>I preferred Myles MacKenzie's character in Prime 2. I hate how they changed him to be an annoying Marvel millennialin a Prime 4 thread you'd have contrarians in there agreeing with you.
>good level design>lots of mechanics>decent combat>lots of enemy types>exploration objectively better than halo, a cover shooter, which you experience 99% of what the game offers in the first level the last 1% is vehicles and the flood
>>727721437Here's a fag that doesn't use pointer controls. Three, the trilogy and prime remastered already proved how amazing and snappy the motion is for these games.
>>727720312Yes, you just now realizing that?
>>727720312Not at all.Metroid Prime was a revolutionary FPS.And 2 was exactly what a sequel should be.3 was a victim of the Wii
>>727720312They were mediocre games propped up by tendies because they couldn't play the big boy shooters on better consoles and PC. The only silver lining about Prime 4 being a soulless cashgrab is that more people are waking up to how underwhelming Metroid as a series actually is. It has no place in the modern gaming landscape and only benefited from lack of competition in the genre it created.
>>727720603The Metroid Prime series was never good
It's a Gamecube game, do you need to ask? People act incredulous that Armored Core Silent Line was still using PS1 controls in 2003 yet MP came out two months earlier and has more primitive 3D shooting controls and substitutes color matching for actual gameplay like a PNG gacha.
>>727721862Tendies have never liked Metroid as a series, they'll just pretend to when nintendo make a new entry in the franchise.Also most people had access to atleast 2 consoles or a console and PC.The amount of people that only played games on a single console is minuscule.
>>727721862>The only silver lining about Prime 4 being a soulless cashgrab is that more people are waking up to how underwhelming Metroid as a series actually is.Almost agree. It's a testament to how underwhelming Metroid PRIME is as a series. Everything else you said though is pretty much spot on.
>>727720312It was pretty good 20 years ago. It's not like Prime 4 is bad at all, it just leans too far into an old paradigm that everyone is over by now.
>>727721536That's just how the rating system works, dipshit. I didn't establish the rules. I only play by them.>>727721685>not playing the original releaseCouldn't be me. Pointer controls work fine for what they are, but it was a bandaid of a fix that was meant to be a gimmick more than anything. The modern, hybrid solution of a controller with lock on + gyro free aim is clunky, and the joy-con are just as bad. Why try to emulate a Wii remote's functionality when it's just going to come up short?
>>727722460>That's just how the rating system workshow about stop being a niggercattle?
I genuinely have never seen people recommending Metroid Prime games. They are always ever mentioned only in the context of nintendo flamewars.
>>727722996Super fags have well-poisoned them for years just like they do/did Fusion.They're great games, especially if you don't cheat with mouse mods
>>727720312Yes. Zero Mission = Super Metroid > Fusion > Other M > Return of Samus 3DS > Dread > Metroid 1 > Metroid 2. Prime wise Prime 1 = Prime 2 > Prime 4 > Prime 3 > Prime H and fuck federation force. This is objectively true and I am sick and fucking tiered of fakers, baizo faggots, and tourists trying to sabotage this phenomenal series. The series should embrace HR Gigger, Sakamoto’s writing, and Samus Sex appeal more often. Fuck you haters.
>>727723205>Metroid 1 that high
>>727720312This series existence is beyond baffling. Nobody even cared about the first one outside of “that game you rented for a weekend” or “your cousin happened to have it and you messed around for a few hours”
>>727720312As a franchise it is overrated. Metroid Prime 1 was really good and Metroid Prime 2 was a solid sequel. Metroid Prime 3 did away with most of what made those games great and gave us a boring linear game with cringey NPC's.So two Prime games were good. Two good games does not mean an entire franchise is legendary.
>>727720603Good. You annoying faggots deserve this for circlejerking these games for years. Eat shit and die.
>>727722814I'm all for (You) being (You), but refusing to play by the rules of communication is a good way to look retarded. If it helps you, >Play the original release of Prime with a GameCube controller>If you like that, you'll probably like Echoes>If you think Prime was too easy, you'll probably like Echoes better>Don't bother with Corruption unless you want more after playing the first two games>Don't bother with any of the games if you drop PrimeIt's a series that's worth trying, but it's overhyped. I think these games can be a bit boring.
>>7277215211 isn't as great as I remember, but 2 is way better than I remember. I couldn't stop playing it and finished it in like four days. Excellent game.
I've never played these games but I'm always annoyed by how often they are brought up. Clearly overrated garbage series.
>>727723205>Return of Samus 3DS > Dread?
>>727720312It's one of the best trilogies in gaming and honestly the 2D purists trying to detract from it are pathetic
>>727720312No, they are all great. If anything 3 is underrated.And why are people saying it was overrated all of the sudden? Because 4 didn't live up to expectations? People here praised Prime 1 for years and years, and now people are questioning it because its getting attention? The same thing happend when the RE4 remake came out.>umm acktually RE4 was midThe contrarianism is too much even for /v/ these days.
>>727724889>all of the sudden? Just because your single cell brain didn't pay attention to them until the marketing for new game doesn't mean these threads weren't being made.
>>727725125No, I have never seen /v/ collectively shitting on Prime or calling them overrated until recently. That is, except by people trying to say Super was better and vice-versa people saying Super sucked and Prime was better. All the in-series fighting I ignore because they want to argue, not give reasons why.And now with this and the Prime 1 remake that came out last year, Prime 1 is overrated? Did the people saying Prime 1 was great never play the game and decide to say its overrated now? What changed the consensus for the game and series? More people playing the series? It can't be that very large amount of people never played it before and came to the conclusion it didn't live up to expectations, can it? Otherwise, the only answer I can come to is contrarianism.
>>727721650I throw in small stuff like "I didn't really like the Aurora Units in Echoes, they kept talking to you too much" and if they don't correct me with "They're in 3" I immediately know to exit the conversation
>>727723374You were the cunt who just played WWE on his PS2 all the time.
>>727725583What happened is the FUCKING Snoys getting mad that Nintendo once again has something that they will never have.
>>727726000At least they weren't as bad as the cutscenes in Prime 1. Hello Dark Samus, I saw you the last 5 cutscenes phasing through doors and crap, Now will let you me play the damn game already? At least she can't talk. If people want to call the first Prime game overrated because of that then at least they'd have a point.
>>727727453Dark Samus isn't in Prime 1 outside of an epilogue cutscene
>>727727453I liked what they did with Dark Samus. I don't know why people act like Sylux isn't going to use the piece of Phazon she gave to him at the end of 3. She's probably planning for her resurrection
>Nintendo creates the first ever open world game to critical acclaim and quickly becoming the best video game ever created.>Nintendo revisits the open world once again with Breath of the Wild and utterly blows every copy-cat out of the water.>Nintendo returns to the classic idea of the open world now that every game has completely ruined it, unbeknownst to them, which caused fatigue within gamers, but now suddenly it's the worst thing ever created despite it being head and shoulders above everything else yet again.None of you want to be honest, you just have an axe to grind with Nintendo for no real reason.
>>727720312Yes, the trilogy was very good. 3 was slightly less good, but 1 and 2 were downright excellent. They also didn't leave any real cliffhangers worth addressing (fuck Sylux) and it never needed a new entry.
I feel like critics are downright lying about MP4, haven't finished it yet but chatty NPCs? Annoying? That's such bullshit, especially when you consider all the games they've given nothing but 10s over the years that has characters that literally never shut the fuck up. MP4 feels like a classic game with modern graphics and a cool bike, only out of place thing so far was the "Samus you must get a drivers license, please understand. We don't want our cool motorcycle to get damaged. Savior or not you have to admit it's the peak of technology." Like all right I'll be careful with the bike.
>>727728526It works good in Legend of Zelda games, because a lot of the games have a wide overworld to explore. The very first game lets you explore about 1/4th to 1/3rd of the map before entering the first dungeon (maybe more, its been awhile since I played it).I think it could have been good in Mario Kart World if they made it worth exploring. The idea of getting to explore outside the track was always interesting to me, and I did that every Mario Kart game. You may not have found anything cool, but the fact that you could see beyond was great because it let your imagination fill in the gaps. The world that the tracks create is pretty cool. Unfortunately, I don't think they made it anywhere near as interesting as it should have been in Mario Kart World. It felt like Nintendo went 'yeah we made it a big deal you can explore outside the map and make it an open world, so here you go. yeah its an empty field, what were you expecting? alright here's a sticker for your trouble, seesh, its an open world, what more do you want?' Really Nintendo? Really? Also, it seems like Nintendo is getting passive aggressive to its fans that buy their games. I can't explain it well, but it seems like they despise their audience regardless of them giving them the most money. I stopped buying Nintendo games the past couple years because of this (and lack of overall interest in their games). I am sure someone much smarter than me can put it into words what this is.
>>727721650I've never played a Baldur's Gate game I just think 3 is gay and I'm not buying your gay slop, larian.
>>727720312Yes, it was good. You have to consider how bold it was to release Metroid Prime back in 2002. Up until that point Metroid was a 2D game, and then Prime comes along and it's a 3D game and it's in first person. Retro successfully got the "feel" of Metroid right in Prime, the atmosphere was good, the music was good. Obviously not everyone liked Prime and there's an element of personal preferences, but it's hard to deny that Prime was a huge deal and rightly so at the time.I can't express how lame and disappointing it is to release Prime 4. What the fuck does Prime 4 actually do that's new/interesting? Nothing as far as I can tell. If anything, Retro made some absolutely baffling decisions with the stupid desert thing, the amount of "cinematic" cut scenes and questionable characters. This isn't the shakeup of the Metroid formula that anyone was asking for, it gets the "feel" of Metroid completely wrong. Metroid at its core has always been about the player controlling Samus and that eerie feeling of being alone on some crazy planet.There's nothing about Prime 4 that makes you think Retro and/or Nintendo took any real risks with it. Prime 4 is the safest thing they could have done, and as a result it is utterly boring and completely forgettable. The absurd thing is just how long it took for Prime 4 to come out.
>>727727404snoys have at least 2 games like GoW:Space edition thoughbeit
>>727720312Only the first 2 Prime games were good. The Prime series legacy was carried by Prime 1
I don't think they were overrated, because they weren't regarded as world beater games in their own time. It's important to remember that this site is dominated by tranime weebs and now zoomoids who weren't' alive for the gamecube, so you have people with a weird tranime bias describing events they weren't even alive for most of the time and that jaundices the accounts and how things are truly rated by the broader gamer consensus.Metroid Prime was regarded as a really good game, and it was, but only the most diehard Nintendo fanboy was holding it up as a Halo beater at the time, it wasn't moving consoles, and if that fish had been released into a bigger pond it probably wouldn't have been regarded as well, something you can say about a lot of Nintendo software. It was good, I'd play it again if they put it on Steam with some QOL fixes, but never something you'd put in a top X all time list.
>>727720312They're ok 6/10 games but nowhere near as good as Nintendo fanboys preach. I like the Hunters game on DS though.
What are people's problems with 2 again? Do they just not like the dark world? Because for me it's an improvement on Prime 1 in every way
>>727720312Yes. One of those "must defend at all cost because it represents the console/company" type of games. I remember the same with other titles like Alan Wake in the 360 for example. Both cases are the same, decent games but overhyped because the console/company needed a system-seller.
>>727730016>and if that fish had been released into a bigger pond it probably wouldn't have been regarded as welllmao
>>727721650>BG3 /v/tard meltdown I got so many self proclaimed "lifelong fans" of Baldur's GateI got a couple of good ones with that game. Someone posted in a forum (rpgwatch I think?) a pic showing how BG1/BG2 had male prostitutes back in the day. The BG3 fans response? "Larian was always based".
>>727720603Can't tell you how utterly mind numbing it is to see threads like this.
>>727720312The first one definitely was. I was always on the fence about the 2nd, I only actually beat it like last year. I'll develop an opinion on the 3rd one once I hook my WiiU back up and play it but I'm not expecting much given the gap between Prime 1 & 2.
>>727731353He's literally right zoomie. MP was the "It's not Halo but it's good enough" for the Gamecube and Wii. The cult of Prime worship only came a few years later after the disappointment of Federation Force and the utter vacancy of certain IPs on the Wii U, which lined up perfectly with the 10 year nostalgia cycle. Even when those games were popular they were considered good but not must-plays like their contemporaries.
>>727731353There were much better fps offerings on other platforms. Prime had the novelty of being Metroid in 3D and was one of the few "mature" games Nintendo loyalists could not feel completely embarrassed about in forum console wars. That's all it had going for it.
>>727720312yes. only the first game was good.
The devs of 4 are such lazy retards. They didnt even get the year of the game right. Its supposed to be set after prime 3 and federation force but the year they show at the start of the game would set it after Super and Other M
>>727731353The statement is true. I was there and saw it live, most of the hype around Metroid Prime was "our Halo", and the truth is that while Nintendo generally makes good games, they are consistently overrated by people who ONLY play Nintendo games and have no experience outside that ecosystem.
>tl;dr apologize to prime 3 right nowprime 1 and 2 are fantastic games, almost perferct except for the final fetch quest paddingprime 3 is a solid game, but really pushes and experiments with what kind of narrative a metroid game can have. 3 also compromises the map design a bit by making everything remotely important in this smaller chunks. its kind of rare to have a branching path in prime 3. so now the shitty hint systemthat was in 1 and 2 feel like the give away the solution to progression completely because once you know the area to explore, you are not going to get lost in the hallway. Its not inherently bad, but if you enjoy using your brain and really learning the map then yeah, that change was definitely not made for you.I just finished 4 and I think its the new weakest entry in the prime games. Again, the zones are basically hallways despite making good use of elevation to hide it: most rooms just have an entrace and one exit. you wont get lost.the constant npc yapping is worse than prime 3 every was. They comment on you saving the game or picking up a missile expansion, and more than one time they just sour your first impression of an area. they exist to make you not feel alone,which is precisely what we want in our metroid games. Most importantly to me, prime 4 did not push the bar with upgrades. The game didnt even do anything interesting with its story or with sylux. There is no huge threat samus is stopping.
>>727728526prime 4 is not open world and you didnt play the gameyou are not taking on side quests with the option to rush the ending. the big desert is just a hub that connects the areas. is prime 2 open world too? no. shut the fuck up
>>727720603In the case of the Prime games it's kind true tho.
>>727731891Prime 2 is much better.
>>727720312yes but only the first one
>>7277203121 and 2 were good, great atmosphere, gameplay and map design were fine. 3 was a bit worse in most aspects but it was still alright at the end of the day. 2D Metroid is a much better way to experience Metroid IMO.Echoes > Prime > Corruption
>>727720312Was going through the Primes shortly before 4 came out and enjoyed them>overratedMaybe but why does this really matter? Anything that's good will also have fans who exaggerate loudly. Just another form of loud minority.Plus people were being excited about how well the games set up for further improvement. No one sane would look at them and say to just make a new story with the exact same mechanics. Naturally people wanted even better first-person experiences.
>>727732865i dont think i ever played it.
>>727720312They're decent Zelda clones but they lack the staying power of something like Twilight Princess.
>>727732023>727732023>>727731864>>727731832It wasn't trying to be Halo. They even called it a first person adventure game to differentiate it from the shooters of its time. This is just console war shit from a bygone era.
>>727720312It was okay, but I wasn't ever particularly into it. It was a decent rental game or game to borrow for a few days from a friend.
>>727720398This.1+2 are perfect duopoly. Like 98 or 99/1003 is gaylo shit with linear bullshit and set pieces like an action game not exploration 4 is more like 3 than the other two
>>727731735Filtered.2 is actually better than 1. 1 is just a translation of super to 3d.
>>727720603>heh, that new game is bad so I think it's time for you to admit that this other bad game is actually good now
>>727736902>1 is just a translation of super to 3d.and a terrible one at that
>>727720312Yes but lock on was boring, and prime 2 wasn't justified because there was no graphical leap and they were already resorting to memes like light and dark. Prime 3 had wiimote aiming but a third game with gamecube graphics was overstaying its welcome. If nintendo ever pulls a "lets do VR now after everybody crashed and burned lmao" then prime is definitely a series you don't want to burn out.
Metroid prime 1 2 and 3 were godlike when they released back then, they're godlike now and they'll remain godlikePrime 4 is GOTY and you faggots just can't cope.
>>7277203121 and 2 are amazing games, 2 edges out 1 imo because it's areas are better3 is a decent game, a chunk of the "omg it had NPC's!" arguments people claim, it wasn't really that bad. "Not that bad" is still a level of bad, but holy shit if only we knew.4 is starting to look like it's worse than 3.
>>727731015>Metroid >NintendofanboysLOLNintendofanboys haven't played a single metroid game besides other M or prime 3 and they defend these games from actual metroid fans who agree they're dogshit.
>>727739291Nobody played Other M
>>727741265I did all the way back when it first came out. I had to lie to myself that I was enjoying it the entire time to get through it, but I got through it and in the end felt empty and ripped off.
>>727720376This. Prime 1 still is a fucking masterpiece and it's one of the best rated games for a reason.
>>727741265Other M was my first Metroid game and I didn't play another one until probably 8 years later
>>727720312Metroid Prime 3 was the Final Fantasy 8 of Metroid Prime.
>>727741265I did, and still technically have my copy. The moment-to-moment gameplay confined to a fucking sideways Wii Remote scheme wasn't good even if you excuse all the narrative bullshit that makes up a large part of the game's run time. And if you skip them, it compensates and adds them to the save timer anyway.
