How does this happen?
>>727728724>Taking Metacritic seriously.Good morning saar
>>727728812What's wrong with metacritic?
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>>727728724corporations, and by extension capitalism, are a blight and destroy artistic expression
>>727728979which is why North Korea and Venezuela produce the best games on the planet
>>727728926Journos.
>>727728724>100-1000retard
Silksong was not just made by three people. Neither was Hollow Knight.What about the guys that screamed AAAAAAAA BUNDAAAAA and TRRRROOOOBIOOO into the microphone? Did one of the three people do that?
>>727728979More like Nintendo are all old 60 year old geriatric Japanese businessmen and videogame companies die when young talent retire or move on.
>>727729090do either of those nations have workers owning the means of production?if not, then they're just despotic totalitarian dictatorships pretending to be socialistcall me when salvador allende comes back from the dead
>>727729095Sorry didn't know you were forced to read things you didn't like, glad for u tho.
>>727728724>15+Prime 4 didn't begin immediately after 3
>>727729381>have workers owning the means of production?The USA has that. What you're describing only really exists in capitalist countries.North Korea has working conditions worse than Victorian england
>>727729126Do you also include the janitor and accountant as part of the development team? Unless you're stupid you understand what is meant is how many people were part of the creative process.
tendie meltie
I don't think Prime 4 had a 15 year dev cycle, but it basically boils down to focus. A smaller team has fewer barriers to communication and refining their ideas while a massive team like Retro has to deal with Nintendo, getting approval from multiple departments for changes, and trying to cast a wide net for mass appeal and sales. There's definitely a point where having more developers becomes a hinderance since there isn't a driving force being the process.
>>727729603You may only post in this thread if you have actually played both games.
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>>727728724Americans, as usual
>>727728724Tendies will defend this
Why is everyone so determined to hate MP4? I've not played the game, but it looks fine from the gameplay footage? What's the big deal?
>>727729746Rent free, as usual.
>>727729715I wanted to play Prime 4 but the shitstorm is making me want to wait and I'm still having a lot of fun with Silksong
>>727728724Gaps between games isn't indicative of dev time. Beyond has definitely been in dev longer than Silksong but still
>>727729793See, this is why you fail.You make weird smarmy shilly posts like this, and this is what induces more hatred for the game.If you don't want us to hate the game, don't make posts like this.
>>727729793I think it comes down to the wait. Prime 4 is one of those games where the hype has become a part of its identity. You can't hype a game for near of a decade and then be an 8/10. Because anyone who's been watching it that long will either interpret it as an 11/10 or a 4/10.We need a name for this phenomenon. The Duke Nukem Theorem?
>>727728926Same thing that's wrong with most review sites.
>>727729506Um..... Of course? Or do you think they work for free?
>>72772974111 hoursHoly shit, is that legit?I thought there's be massive padding with the open world bike stuff.
>>727729793The crux of it is that all that time in development didn't lead to any innovations to the level design and only really seemed to result in annoying NPCs and a hub world with nothing in it.
>>727729891>Gaps between games isn't indicative of dev time. You work for Nintendo do you?
>>727728926Metacritic is like asking /v/ to talk about a game.
>>727729984Prime has some politics built in for me with the meeting of American and Japanese creative minds. To see American devs make such a masterpiece means something to me, and to see a newer team fumble so hard means a bit as well.
>>727728724Nintendo let am*ricans develop a game for them
>>727730086anon...
>>727729984The hype over the wait was a way bigger part of Silksong's identity and, despite not remotely being a perfect game, it was still received very positively.
>>727730249Maybe you should kill yourself
>>727730532What?Is that 11 hours with massive padding? That would make it a, what. 4 hour game?
>>727728812fpbp
>>727729741dread and nintendo fags are yet to recover from this imagenow make one for silksong vs prime
>>727728926holy fucking newfag
>>727729506Modern game credits literally do put those names in. Haven't you watched credits for any game in the last decade?
>>727729741>$15NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAAAAAT! THINK ABOUT THE POOR POLYMORPHOUS COUPLES (indie dev team) THAT HAVE TO COMPETE WITH THAT PRICE AAAAAAAAAAAA
>>727729506Genuine retard
>>727729793Because people don't play Metroid to have the world segregated by a hub world emptier than OoT's nor do they want to have jar jar binks bazinga down their ear throughout the game.
>>727730945You can't seriously believe that 4chan has any respect or authority over any other website.Like, you might be a fucking retard, but I'm not.
fixed. feel free to screencap my post for your lazy twitter engagement.
>>727730834ANON. look at the box art
>>727731226You literally could've ignored it because it was an arbitrary website, but whatever.
>>727728724>i must pit two games against each other for engagement and (You)sShit thread OP. Do better.
>>727731442>pit them against each otherWell I'm not doing that, Silksong is objectively better.
>>727731581>le silly argument sidestepFuck off nigger
>>727731642Okay, thanks for joining my thread.
>>727731304Oh holy shit my bad.Thanks for correcting my mistake.I can believe that image immediately, Dread's map wasn't particularly large.
>>727729891I'm not saying you're wrong but hype beasts don't think this way. Instead they think>3 year dev cycle = 40 hours of content. SO 15 YEAR DEV CYCLE = 200 HOURS OF PERFECTION!!1!
>>727732415You are stupid.
>>727732872Peak millennial behavior.
>>727728724Why not compare it with the actual metroidvania like Metroid dread? Retard.
>>727732872I haven't played that game though.
>>727728724>Development: 15+ yearsWhy are people incapable of not lying?
>>727733075You are meant to interpret it as "People have been waiting this long for it to release".I'm sorry you lack the brain cells to follow.
>>727732872I don't even care about silk song but game awards are shit anyway.
>>727732872They know it's rigged
>>727733173>make a statement of fact that happens to be incorrect>actually, you're supposed to interpret it a completely different wayNo.
>>727731442Oh the irony. Tendies really are a bunch of hypcritical trannies.
>>727733313>make a statement of factnot how it works, just because you say so, but keep thinking wrongly, again if you don't have the brain cells to follow, don't.
>>727728724Just lots of anti-nintendo grifting going on, Sony fanboys are absolutely losing it that Switch 2 is raping PS5.
>>727733557Development =/= amount of time between game A and game B
>>727733663And again, the point was nothing to do with either of those things, again, if you don't have the brain cells to understand me, fucking don't.
>>727733308cope lmao
>>727733805The image literally says>Development: 15+ yearsIf that's not what is meant, then change the image. Until then, it is objectively incorrect.
>>727733887So if I were to type >>>727733887is a dumbass that's factually true as well is it?Interesting.
>>727733960Ah, you have no argument because you realized you back yourself into the corner.
>>727732872
>>727734062Maybe go back to school and stop being a retard?
>>727734162I see you've been practicing in the mirror.
>>727734267Holy autism
>>7277287243D games are harder to make
>>727729126idk, very possible for hk1 voices. i recall bapanada was a friend of theirs.
>>727729793Samus doesn't show her tits and incels are mad
>>727730154I wouldn't say that. I've only played through the lightning place and the ice place but both are really good. I don't feel like I'm replaying an old Metroid game.
>>727732995>MetroidvaniaOkay redditor
>>727734704In prime 1 and 2 you do a lot more and the design of the game is much nicer
>>727734765Retard
>>727728724So for people who already played it: what actually is wrong with Prime 4?
>>727734859>Gunplay hasn't evolved at all and it still plays like a early 2000s console shooter>The areas are extremely linear and there's barely anything you can call exploration>Upgrades are lame and basically function as keys with little to no use outside of that>Desert is a giant, boring, empty area where you have to spend about an hour crashing through crystals to unlock the final area>NPCs suck and ruin the tone of the game
>>727728724Unironically Silksong was made for Hollow Knight fans even as it pissed off tourists.Prime 4 was made for zelda/nintendofags rather than Prime fans.
>>727729741/v/ be like>games don't age>wtf, i'm not gonna pay full price for a 10 hour game
>>727734859In prime 1 and 2, the map is basically a maze, most rooms or area have multiple doors that you can't open, grapple points, etc, the entire map is seamless and there are multiple coridoors, rooms and other things to explorein mp4, there are very few rooms/coridoors, they're just "walk through, shoot 3 enemies, go to the next room", the puzzles are braindead, like "break the window with a big crack in it" when its literally just a room with a window in it. or "grapple the door open" and its a huge fucking door with a different coloured latch on it.and then between these shitty "dungeons" is a literal desert with nothing in it
WAIT Is the trick to not have annoying NPCs just having a fake made up language in your game?
>>727735367Give them a plot purpose.
>>727735075Oh so it’s the twilight princess of metroid?
>>727729793MP4 has alot of stuff that makes you really feel "wow im playing a prime game" while also slamming you with the worse "designated backtracking area" in the entire series and being forced to interact with corny fucking characters because for some reason Samus's suit needs a pasty white fucking quirkchungus nerd to upgrade her shit now.The game WILL make you go through the desert, hit a immediate roadblock in an area, move through the desert to another zone, hit yet another roadblock but find an upgrade, then instead of being able to go through roadblock 1 with the upgrade, you now have to go to the pasty white nerd so he can take the thing and actually upgrade your shit with it and THEN you can DRIVE THROUGH THE DESERT AGAIN FOR THE FOURTH TIME and finally get past the roadblock to progress.This happens multiple times.You will be having a grand time and then boom. You're forced to interact with the corny NPCs.
>>727735085The funny part is, as much they initially complained, many of the tourists ended up finding the game's tough love endearing and enjoyed it. Too many devs are scared to punch players in the dick. Yes, they'll get mad about it. But then later they'll laugh about it with everyone else that also got punched in the dick.
>>727735367Compare SNES Slippy Toad with N64 Slippy Toad.
>>727729741BRVTAL MOGGINGSpics can’t compete against the white manKing of the hollow-like genre
>>72772979320% of the game is bad and it's not even some "they went for some unique experimental idea that didn't pan out" it's just blatantly retarded and bad ideas that any moron should have caught onto during development
3 GUYS IN A FUCKING CAVE WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS
>>727729741I would pick the top over the bottom every time. 20 hours is way too long for a metroidvania and it drags on by the end.The cost of it all is irrelevant to me because I'm not poor
HK2 is not even a metroid game and its still a better metroid game than M4
>>727728724Shills
>>727729793It's just very very mediocre. The writing and hub are bad yes, but even the normal Metroid Prime parts are inferior to even Prime 3. The levels are more linear (in layout not progression before people start coping) and there are a shitload more forced combat sections
>>727728724Source on the Metroid Prime 4 dev team. Also it's just contrarian reviewer faggots reviewing it lower because it's hyped up too much. Silksong threads are basically dead here too, but nobody loses their minds. /v/ is hating on Prime 4 which tells me that it's a phenomenal game, which I am playing through and loving. It's GOTY by far.
>>727735367Delivery is ALL that matters for the dialogue in games with voice acting.If the voice actors aren't fantastic then the game is better off with fake voices or no voices at all.
both games suck. I pirated both and and both games have positive reviews, as if I give a fucksilksong has barely any upgrades and they are all old. the game is more obsessed with mini bosses and trying to be 2d darksouls than being an engaging metroidvaniaprime 4 is also lacking in upgrades and is more focused on small scale action set pieces than having an interesting area to explore or even an interconnecting map.
Metroid Prime is a 3D game, Silksong is Flash-tier shit that would have been free on Newgrounds 20 years ago.
I don't care about the metacritic. Silksong proves that you don't need to charge full price for high quality. AAA trannies need to understand that.
>>727740209>Silksong proves that you don't need to charge full priceok>for high qualityKEK
>>727734089They drew this so team cherry would not rope
The problem for Hollow Knight devs is that they stole the initial concept from Shovel Knight, and the overall concept isn't one that can bring in the money, and judging by their price point, they knew this, because no one even knows what a Hollow Knight is. Is he a knight that has a hollow center? Why is it a metroidvania? Hollow Knight has identity issues that prevent it from being included among the greatest games of all time. It is not a timeless story... it is just a throwaway game about some ripped off shovel knight emo edition
>>727741051That's alot of schizo babble you vomited out. care to translate into english?
>>727729741I've played through Dread several times and will continue to go back to it for years to come. A tremendous part of the appeal of Metroidvanias, or at least Metroid specifically, is that they're short and highly replayable. Hollow Knight's great but its length is precisely the reason why I'm not gonna want to touch it again for a very long time, and when all is said and done I'll probably have gotten more hours out of Dread in the long run.Having said that I'm willing to assume Silksong is better than Prime 4 having played neither.
>>727741394Only retards who play games to click button for bing bing give a shit about Hollow Knight and like games. The choice of the name Hollow Knight draws themes from Dark Souls and Shovel Knight. The game's identity is hollow, in a turn of irony. It is a cheap amalgamation of other games. I play a lot of games, but I have zero interest in playing Hollow Knight. It is a game that looks like more of the same that I can get from games that it originated from; games with better histories and status.Metroid Prime 4 was awesome right out of the gate, with graphics for Metroid we have never seen before.
>>727741051>>727741840Hollow Knight genuinely getting more praise and attention than Shovel Knight still pisses me off to no end.
>>727741051I don't see the correlation besides being able to pogo hop off of things which isn't something shovel knight invented either
>>727728724>>727728812>>727728979>>727729485Zoomniggers have 0 taste in gaming. They rather play a mobile game than metroid prime
>>727741903Both are gay.Castle Crashers is the kino
>>727728724nintendo hasn't put out a truly great game in a decade but people dont want to talk about that lol a lot of these indies are a lot better but they dont have that nintendo stamp on them
>>727741840I agree. Hollow Knight is a cheap and hollow copy, Cuphead is a cheap and hollow copy, Disco Elysium are is a cheap and hollow copy.Zoomers first metroid, zoomer first Contra, Zoomer first PnCIt was their first game, doesn't necessarily make them good, it's even worse because they all feel as if they were made for a fucking phone and not a console or pc. This is gaming in 2020 and it sucks massive cock, i hope it dies.
>>727741840tl;dr scrub who got filtered by Silk kino.
>>727742156Yep. We're of like mind
>>727729485>at will employment>healthcare tied to employment benefits>union breaking>shareholder primacythe workers have absolutely no power or say in the US
>>727728724>15 years in development Bait used to require a little more effort
>>727741051>they stole the initial concept from Shovel KnightFighting with a shovel?A NES retro-inspired platformer?
>>727728724The left has no modern women working on it, save for maybe VA making funky noises for bugs.
>>727742039Actually nintendo hasn't been good since I was a kidnot since you were a kid
>>727728724>15+ yearsNot quite. Would be more correct to say 8 years, but even then, this iteration took about 4.Also, something something too many cooks
>>727741903Why would you get pissed off about the better game getting more praise and attention?
