>This made every Millennial kid and Gen Xers of the early-00's very angryNow it's hailed as a masterpiece. Why?
>>727732480This was a late millennial game retard
new bad old good but then new becomes old and new new is even worse
>>727732628>This was a late millennial game retardAccording to who?
>>727732480I disliked the art style but thought it was a good game overall. Now I’m 34 and still hold the same opinion now.
>>727732480The Wind Waker is the shortest 3D Zelda with unfinished content as early as the JabuJabu pearl being given away for free. It's lauded only by shallow graphic obsessed Gen Z and Gen Y.
First played it in 2012(?), and I thought it was thoroughly mediocre compared to the games that preceded it.
>>727732750>Wind Waker is shortWhat are you talking about. By the time you get to the first dungeon in WW you would have been on your way to Dodongo's Cavern in OoT. WW is long as fuck.
I always knew it was a masterpiece
>>727732480Wind waker was a spit in the face after OOT and MM. Anyone who was around at the time knows what an immense downgrade it is. But if you're a zoomer you just see a relatively quirky and fun game without that context.
>>727732480In what fucking world do you live in
>>727732845Easy to be when 75% of the time between anything interesting is sitting on a boat in an empty dead ocean
>>727732480>Masterpiece>Wind wakerLmao since when? This garbage isnt even better than Tp
>>727732480I loved it even back then when I was a teen
>>727732480We had no idea how much worse things could get.
>>727732480Me and my friends liked it
>>727732943I remember it took a little over a decade after it's release until people started liking it
>>727732480Because Toon Link, for being a goofy cartoon boy, is a far more masculine character than Breath of the Wild Link who is now a cuckkold femboy icon for blacked fetishists.
>>727733054That's not true. It was well-received upon release and was already considered a 6th gen classic by the time the Wii rolled around. The hate was mostly before the game actually came out because the trailer didn't look good.
>>727732480It made twenty-somethings on the internet angry. No kid at the time gave a shit.
>>727732750>Wind Waker is the shortest 3D ZeldaNot true. Majora's mask has a measly course dungeons.
>>727733130>That's not true. It was well-received upon releaseNo you're misunderstanding. Lots of mainstream news outlets back then obviously hailed it as a good game. But fans on the Internet weren't. They hated the childish look.
>>727733131>It made twenty-somethings on the internet angry. No kid at the time gave a shit.It makes me wonder if this has repeated now with newer games
>>727733304It definitely is. For better or worse.
>>727733304see people getting upset about pokemon designs
>>727732480Same exact thing happening with Metroid Prime 4.
>>727735054nobody thinks of tingle when theyre fondly remembering majoras mask or wind waker
I'm the one person who actually liked sailing
>>727735187Tingle also didnt have full voice acting
>>727732480I did hate it when I was a kid coming from n64 Zelda on GC. Though I did eventually buy it after trying the demo at the store. Wasn't bad but wasn't that good neither. Definitely a play it once type of game. You'll always remember THAT part and not want to replay it. The ocean exploring was novel at the time, but thinking about it as an adult, wow what a major time sink. Guess its the boomer metroid prime 4.
to enjoy ww you need your other games to be licensed dogshit or bad sports games. t. liked ww a lot as a kid
do we know everything that's missing from the game?the pearl dungeon, the ice and fire arrow dungeons, old hyrule was supposed to be biggeranything else?
>>727732942>sitting on a boat in an empty dead oceanand uncs say we have low attention spans.... that shits kino
OOT babies wanted a more “mature” Zelda
>>727736214their fault for not being sated by majoras pants at the time because they were too shit at video games
>>727732480i thought it was fine and dont remember any hate? not like that many people bought a gamecube to play it either way
>>727736317>majoras pantsno one liked that game either most non-drone zelda fans thought it was a cash grab
>>727732480>>This made every Millennial kid and Gen Xers of the early-00's very angryFalse. I never liked zelda to begin with amd haven't even played that.
>>727732480Marketing.They showed of a flashy (For the time) gritty 3d trailer of link fighting an Iron Knuckle, or I think it was an Iron Knuckle, then the game that came out was this.Its a good game but not what people were excited for
>>727736446MM was kino and better than OoT, left way more of an impression on me than oot
>>727735187yes, yes they are. you have to decipher the fucking triforce charts you giga retard.
>>727736661whatever nerd
>>727732480Because this resonated better with gamers at the time. Sure, it would have aged visually worse than WW, and they eventually ended up making TP as compensation, but timing and context means everything. The traditional game they would have made in 2002 likely would not have been the game they ended up making with TP. Maybe it would have been a even more direct sequel to OOT & MM featuring the same Link incarnation. It still counts as a valid blow for fans that had their expectations shattered.
>>727737630Reminds me of the FF7 tech demo
>>727737630That would have aged fine, it's a nice stylized anime art style.
I sure did enjoy floating on a boat for hours with no scenery to look at. Just water. A+ game.
>>727737630It was huge mistake to show this before pivoting to a completely new art style
>>727732480It's still a dogshit game that's awful in every way except the artstyle which is great. Somehow still better than everything that came after.
>>727738284Somehow someway there are anons who think it better than Prime 4.
OK, Wind Waker. I get a lot of requests for this one. Back when it was revealed, if you can believe this, everyone hated the graphics. The graphics are actually pretty cool, it's like you're playing a cartoon. But GODDAMN, if it's a cartoon it's like one played in slow motion! Link moves so SLOW on those stubby little legs of his... like a doped up snail covered in molasses. Getting in your boat is no better. If you're not going in the direction of the wind, you aren't going anywhere. So what do you do? Well first you open the menu... equip the rod... then you gotta hold the direction of the wind song, not time it like you'd THINK you have to do, then the game plays the exact same song you just played. THEN you can change direction, and watch Link confused at the sky every time. FUCK. Is all the song and dance really necessary?! It's an actual song and dance! And don't think you can avoid this, you'll need it to find the triforce pieces which are scattered all over the world... though good luck finding them, since it's all the same MS paint blue!And even if you KNOW where they are, guess what? You can't see them unless you pay this fat little dwarf guy 400 bucks to tell you where they are. 400 bucks! And there's 8 pieces! This is worse than that guy who sold me those old Atari games! Now there's nothing wrong with triforce pieces, in the Legend of Zelda you had to find 8 of them too. But they were in dungeons, full of monsters and dead ends and this weird grumble grumble guy. Not a little kid's scavenger hunt! What were they THINKING!?Wind Waker? More like SHIT TAKER! The wind isn't the only thing that blows! I'd rather get buried under Dodongo dung! I'd rather get manhandled by Manhandla! I'd rather dig my own grave with Digdogger!
It was the Zelda game that was supposed to start a new status quo, one that was going to bury Hyrule and do new things. Look at the Oracle games and look at Wind Waker, you could have Zelda games that didn't take place in Hyrule, and WW explicitly was trying to put Hyrule to rest. When the backlash happened, those plans were sort of scrapped, though PH and ST continued Wind Waker's story. Spirit Tracks calling the land Tetra and Link discovered Hyrule was a big mistake, it should have been another name. You can't do a Zelda game that doesn't take place in Hyrule anymore, and Tri Force Heroes of all games was the last game that did such a thing. If we got the original Wind Waker 2, we'd probably be in a land that wasn't Hyrule or even the land that would have been the land in Spirit Tracks.The 'toon' Link games were some of the better games if not creative games because they tried to do some new things, and I think trying to break away from Hyrule was one of those things Wind Waker tried to attempt. TotK for example should have taken place in another land. I'll also say that I'd love to see Toon Link return than say, 'Toy" Link which looks like an even more simplified version of the basic Link design. LA's remake had an excuse. EoW does not.
>>727733131>It made twenty-somethings on the internet angry. No kid at the time gave a shit./v/ in a nutshell
>>727738763Nah, Toon Link has enough games. Let other Links get more.
>>727737994Personally I wouldn't even have cared if it ended up looking more jarring as long as the setting was cooler. I don't even think OOT/MM visuals have aged that badly.
>>727732480then we got botw and totk easily the worst games in the ser
New Young Link game when?Preferably left-handed
>>727739421>Preferably left-handedIt's gone, Anon. Let it go.
>>727738986Like BotW Link? Can't wait for that one.You're not getting another game with OoT Link either, unless you want to Fuba-whuba to put his claws in that Link.AlttP? Four games (Yes, that's the same Link in TFH from ALBW).TP? Link's Crossbow Training was his swan song.Y'see where I'm going with this? There are four (five with TFH) different Links in that 'toon' moniker, so bringing back a previous 'Link' is risky. Doable, but risky.
>>727732480Because younger millennials and older zoomers were kids when it came out and we embraced it because we weren't old enough to be terminally online freaks
>>727739617>saturate the market with your shitty mascot Link so any other version is now seen as a risksasuga, aonuma-san. I under-estimated you
>>727738762Rolfe himself has said Twilight Princess's graphics are what he'd want for the series going forward
>>727740141I mean, if you're going to give the Hero of Time a third title, you better not fuck it up. No BotK shit, just a pure N64-styled Zelda experience. Reusing the design for another Link is also bad; you use the design to win back the crowd, only to find that the game he's associated with is far detached from what people associate said design with. Unless you add a specific detail that makes that Link different, but then you're better off making a new design altogether. Even the Toon Links mentioned have their own details.
>>727732480Remember when Toonami rated this game 5/5
>>727740669Every journalist gave this game a perfect score, though some hid their payments better than others
>>727740669Good.
>>727741570You're annoying.
>>727740908The perfect scores for Skyward Sword was far more egregious.
Spaceword tech demo seemed to hint at a straightforward Ocarina of time style game just with better graphics. Then Wind Waker shows up looking cartoony and childish when realistic graphics were in and the goal for most developers was still to try and make games look more real and real. It was bad timing, maybe if it came after Twilight Princess it would have been regarded better.
>>727742534It wouldn't, because much like how Metroid fans rejected Federation Force, people's expectations of Zelda were not towards chibi silly cartoon boy
>>727743153Federation Force had a lot of stuff going against it beside the chibi shit, Wind Waker is an actual good game
>>727732750Kinda funny at the time fans had to defend it by saying "games are about more than just graphics" but now the graphics and story are most of this games identity.Iykyk the swordfighting is actually the best in this one but absolutely nothing takes advantage of it.
>>727732480retarded teenagers and mentally stunted adults desperately wanted games to be more "mature" so that they wouldn't feel embarrassed about liking them, nintendo choosing to go in the opposite direction made them mad. the game being unfinished also didn't help.
>>727732480no it didn't. I liked it then and I like it now
>>727742534twilight princess sucks ass, and the graphics are horrible
>>727743957I disagree
>>727732480windwaker came out 2002/2003. The other top selling series/games of that time?Resident evil.Halo.Time splitters.Tekken.Gran Turismo.GTA 3.Metal Gear Solid 2.Final Fantasy XMedal of Honor.All serious games for big boys with realistic (at the time) graphics. Here comes little babby link with his little kiddy boat, oh look at him sail around the pretty blue ocean. When nearly every other game was moving away from cartoony graphics and childishness, the rest of the gaming industry was moving towards more serious 'adult' titles.This would ultimately evolve into the brown and bloom shooter era which would ultimately kill itself and put an end to 'games have to get more realer and more seriouser' but that's a different story for your data harvesting ai to look forward to.
wind waker was never good
>>727732480>Now it's hailed as a masterpieceNo. It's not and never will be, no matter how many times you post it.
>>727732480Still hate the toon art style. Looks stupid. And Windwaker is still a bad game. If people complain over having nothing to do in Breath of the Wild, then Windwaker has even LESS to do because of the huge ocean sandbox. Horrible game. Simply horrible.
>>727744440Doesn't help that the only cartoony games that sold decent during those years were icons like Mario or freak accidents like Disney's Kingdom Hearts. Basically if you weren't embracing high end realistic graphics back then you were setting yourself up for failure.
>>727732480Growing up on OOT, link was cool. He was as cool as cool could possibly be, capable, confident, handsom, and badass. For graphics standards at the time OOT could feel very serious at times, it made a kid feel important. Majora's Mask brought link back to being young but still felt confident and cool in his own way. had a compelling story.To be entering middle school, thirsty for the zelda game on the next gen, and look in the game stop isle one day, see the letters zelda, and then see the cover... some twinky toybox looking douche with big dorky eyes and being overly happy in a similarly baby looking world.... it made me shid and fard to a degree you can't imagine.It took me 10 years to get over my asshurt and play it. IT's a great game and all but i'll never get over it. It's extremely autistic to be upset that a game for kids wasn't as "cool" as the last one but it really was a big part of it. I wasn't a huge fan of the sailing aspect either.
>>727739837I was 9 when it came out and it pissed me off as per >>727744848
>>727744848This
>>727732480I love wind waker, it's not the best zelda game but it's got it's charm.
>>727744848WW is cool, he's just more expressive. I remember he looks focused during combat at the very least. You're right that OOT is cooler just by style default though. I remember how awesome I thought it was that they made him look just a little bit older in the second.
>>727732480It's still the worst 3D zelda fuck off. Even totk and skyward sword are better
>>727738284>IGN too much water review except it's actually accurate
>>727732728*whom
>>727732480I was there when Wind Waker came out and I loved it then and I love it now.
>>727740908I haven't seen this image in eons
>>727732480>Now it's hailed as a masterpiece. Why?Because the zoomers who grew up with wind waker became the majority, even if they only experienced it through wind waker hd or emulation
>>727747476>WW is cool, he's just more expressive.You have to understand that by the original 90s definition of cool, this statement is self contradictory.
>>727732480Yeah, no. WW has a lot of problems and I complained about them back in the day. In retrospect, this game was the one that started Zelda's downhill trend towards open-world slop.
>>727747476>Wind Waker link is cool
>>727732740I dont think anyone would have a problem with the art style if they didn't show that spaceworld teaser of "realistic" Link vs Ganondorf, that kind of set expectations for everyone back then
WW needed more large, content-dense islands like Windfall. The fact that like 90% of them take like two minutes tops to completely ransack fucking sucks, not to mention a ton of them are shitty copy-pastes such as the fairy islands or eye reefs.
i still wonder why almost every zelda game between ww and botw was so badminish cap was great, and i've never played lbw so i won't judge it, but this was clearly the zelda interregnum
>>727748596Aonuma was promoted to producer after Twilight Princess. Koizumi was the project leader (under Miyamoto's supervision) for OoT, MM, WW, and TP. Aonuma is the one who upended all of the "lore" Koizumi had been writing and drawing for the games' manuals since ALttP. The reason the goddess Hylia exists, and the cycle of reincarnation is a literal event caused by Demise, and the goat people that are the progenitors of the Hylians is because of Aonuma.
>>727736092No, it would be kino if you could do some actual fishing. Or if there were more boats just cruising along the ocean. Or there was at least 1 more inhabited town island and at least 2 more dungeons you could sail to and sit off the coast of. Instead it just all felt incomplete.
>>727732480His eyes look like little fishes
>>727744848I don't remember my own reaction to it, but when it was first announced, I was probably in the same boat. Huge OOT kid. I did buy WW around release though, and didn't regret it too bad. But in retrospect Wind Waker is still an in complete game with some real lulls in the interesting parts, and stuffed with tedium instead of a respectable number of dungeons. That's the real crime that persists even if I forgave the art style.Nothing after lived up to OOT and MM though.
>>727732480I was around 15 or 16 when this originally came out, so I didn't like it because it was cartoony and I was too old and too cool for that gay shit. Now I'm closer to 40 and I love it. Part of it is just getting older and not being lame about stuff like that, part of it is how much the game just looks incredible on an emulator with 4K and oled, it's one of those visual styles that just scales up. Really wish Nintendo would just put it on Steam officially and start printing money.
>>727732480Because "no muh realistic graphics"
>>727749271Nintendo themselves teased a badass Link after Ocarina though, so really it's their fault for setting people up and then pulling a switcheroo
>>727734942The Zelda franchise at least tries to make each iteration something new and messes with the formula.
>>727732480Loved it then, loved it now. Simply a good game.
Haters moved on. Fans stayed.At least that's how it used to be.Now fans move on and haters stay.
>>727749420they started making those 'legends' games. and before that we had mystery dungeon.
>>727732480I always liked it. Only as an adult did I learn how unfinished it is and how blatantly the triforce piece collecting is time wasting padding. Also for some reason as a kid I really enjoyed the picto box figurine collecting.
Reminder that Spaceworld 2000 teased a realistic Link fighting Ganondorf, so suddenly going "cel-shaded cartoon" felt like a betrayal to people who were expecting a dark, high resolution world like this.
>>727749435I liked the fixes the HD version did
>>727732480Nintendo fans grew up and realised that Nintendo is now their childhood memories and therefore can't be criticised. Since then every game by Nintendo is 10/10.
>>727744848>>727749693It was the first time i remember being genuinely angry at a video game company.
>>727749693didn't both these models end up in Melee anyway?
>>727732480I love WindWaker, but the game absolutely should have had a different art style. An evolution of Ocarina of Time's art style where they make Link look similar to his SSBM/Soul Calibur 2 design would have been amazing.People cope about the art style aging well, but that doesn't mean it is a good art style, it just means it hasn't gotten any worse-looking with time. Hell, even Miyamoto thought the art style was cringey and was wondering what the fuck Aonuma was thinking.
>>727749886You don't understand fans if you think that smooths anything over.
>>727749926oh I know, I'm just glad that the models didn't go to waste. too bad zeldafags got wind waker and that was pretty much strike 3 for the gamecube's rep
>>727750000Yeah, pretty much. The cube made it up to me by giving me the gameboy player addon though, so I could play my gameboy, gbc, and advance games on my tv. I had a lot of those.
>>727749886I'm pretty sure the link one ended up in Soulcalibur 2
>>727737630That looked magnificent for the time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNIIvctxQIQ
>>727750116I remember doing link battles of MMBN3 with my friend and playing on the TV to let him look at what I was doing as a handicapHe never beat me, 11th chip glitch and prism memes are so fun
>>727736560MM left a huge impression on me by giving me a transformation fetish. After I saw Link getting turned into a deku scrub I was ruined.
>>727750561cool!>>727750116yeah the gameboy player was pretty sick. I remember my friend had one and we'd just use it to play pokemon
>>727733327The Gamecube is accidentally the best aged console of all time. All of Nintendos retarded decisions, like making kiddieshit cel-shaded Zelda or not making Metroid Prime a generic twinstick shooter, made the games far more timeless and unique. Sony let all their PS1/2 era IPs age like milk and die, meanwhile people are still begging for Prime 2 ports and demanding sequels to Gamecube games 2 decades later.
What does the Triforce do if you have a hormonal imbalance bros
>>727732480I emulated the original version on Dolphin years ago. Had a lot of fun with it, might be time for a replay.In /v/'s opinion, is WWHD worth it?
>>727748945>Koizumi was the project leader (under Miyamoto's supervision) for OoT, MM, WW, and TP. The last Zelda game Koizumi was credited as having worked on was The Wind Waker as assistant director. He isn't credited in TP at all. >The reason the goddess Hylia exists, and the cycle of reincarnation is a literal event caused by Demise, and the goat people that are the progenitors of the Hylians is because of Aonuma.No, that's all Fujibayashi (special thanks to Qualia Writers Inc.). I despise nu-Zelda as well, but Aonuma doesn't hold 100% of the blame for everything wrong with it. Maybe get your hateboner for him under control before posting next time.
>>727732724This
>>727751765Yes for the better sailing, no for the bloom effects.
