Everyone is going to warm up to it in the coming months. Years from now everyone is going to look back on it fondly. Same old story.
Even so Retro Studios has real feedback they need to heed.
>>727735285I think the problem with Prime 4 is that it's flaws are just super obvious. Sol Valley, collecting the crystals, having to always do the bike tutorial, and the NPCs being too chatty will always be a blight on the game.I do think the more core aspects of the game are super solid and are worth praising. And maybe this is just me, but I'd say Prime 4 is the hardest game in the prime series.
What the fuck was the point of the bike when they could just do the speed booster?
>>727735285Like veilguard, once the discourse around the middling game finally does down people will actually be able to look at it critically and accept that the game isn't all that great but without the hyperbolic reactions that made it impossible to talk about in the months post launch. I've seen this kind of release before. I'm a sonic fan, I know what this discourse looks like and this is a real sonic superstars. People don't know how to reconcile that, nothing generates more divide than a 6/10.
>>727735285In 10 days, nobody is going to remember that this game ever existed. We live in the nightmare world timeline.
>>727735708>what if we turn metroid into "slopnic frontiers" yeah... not thanks, i prefer the bike
>>727735285Two more weeks!
>>727735285Yeah just like Starfield
>>727735285>Years from now everyone is going to look back on it fondly. Same old story.That can only happen if a new metroid game comes out in a few years that's even worse.
im halfway through and im fed up with it
>>727736006>>727736331You anons live in an alternate reality.
>>727735285No, this was a real blunder. Ignoring all the meme reasons, it's barely a Metroid game, with a weak selection of items and a bad map.
>>727735285The only thing that was really stupid was locking the music to amiibo and post game and hard mode. Everything else is fine. People talk about this game like it raped their whole family. People are insane.
>>727735285name another game bait-kun
>>727735285it happened with Twilight Princess. wouldn't be surprised if it happened here too
>>727737040It's certainly a Prime game, like a designed by committee retread of Prime 1.
>>727735285Barely got my motorcycle and so far it feels just as mid as prime 3 but instead of a sexy plasma girl i got miles
>>727736654Its only issue is it plays it too safe.
Pretty muchAfter playing the game myself all the criticisms that people are spamming everywhere are the most minor shitIt's a solid 8/10 game, not the best I've ever played but it's not bad in any way
>>727735285I believe this for the luke warm retards that play it
>>727737229Miles is literally me even with the bad humor.
>>727737152I wish it was a designed by committee retread of Prime 1, we might have had interesting level design then instead of straight lines.
>>727735285Sure boss, unless a switch 2 falls into my fuckin lap, it aint happening anytime.
This is one of those games where you can tell some retard like Miyamoto mandated certain things, but no one making the game bothered to actually play it. It just had to check boxes for padding the length, NPCs, open world slop, etc.
>>727735285Nobody even talks about Bananza anymore and that game had a lot more innovation and better design.Nobody talks about games for years anymore.
>>727736331Incorrect. It will be remembered as the game that was somehow a worse Metroid game than Other M.
>>727737382designed by committee means only the safest choices get majority vote. that's why you get just straight line level design
>>727737382>I wish it was a designed by committee retread of Prime 1>>727737152>like a designed by committee retread of Prime 1This is either two bots or two ESL jeets talking to each other. Either way, fuck off.
>>727735285I really got no complaints, most critics were way off on this one. I think it's a 5/5/ so far, I see so many retards who say they're watching the shit on youtube and say "uuuh don't think it looks fun" etc. Like you'd ruin any game by doing that, if they're so poor they can't even afford 1 game they need to get a cheaper hobby like watching netflix or something.
>>727737473yeah the biggest tell that most people nowadays watch other people play games instead of playing them themselves is that no one cares about gameplay anymorePeople praise BG3 and E33 and call them goty despite them having legitimately terrible gameplay because they like the story and characters. Interactive movies won, games lost
>>727737569The general consensus I see online is "I liked it until the finale" which is never a good sign.
>>727736918I don't, this game isn't going to inspire any discussion or thought the way silksong did. I know 6/10 seems harsh but I actually like to use the whole scale, to you that might be a 7 or even 8 out of 10. The sentiment is the same, its additions or unremarkable or even detrimental, and everything it does well are lesser versions of concepts and ideas featured in prime. It mirrors superstars almost perfectly in that regard, don't get me started on the parallels between Solas and Sylux in regard to narrative payoff.
>>727737274Exactly, I've seen a lot of lies being spread about it too. I saw someone say there's no water dripping on the visor but it's actually in the game and looks better than Prime 1's. This image doesn't show it very well but water flows down the visor and dynamic changes vision when it does like real life.
>>727737382>I wish it was a designed by committee retread of Prime 1Then you're in luck, because that's exactly what it's like.
>>727737473Platformers don't tend to have a lot of staying power in online discourse because they lack in the writing department, not enough lore and such to discuss.
>>727735581people bitch and moan about prime 2's boss fights, I have not heard a peep about prime 4 fights.I thought the game was not solid at all, it felt really by-the-numbers and uninspired. the upgrades don't do anything new past the control beam. I didn't 100% the game but I didn't even have to throw a power bomb a single time, what the fuck?each zone really feels like a hallway, so like prime 3, you cannot get lost. and backtracking just comes down to "check this single place you didn't have access too", and myles will even tell you outright which zone to pick.The best thing the game did was the greiver boss, that was the one great stand out thing. Everything else kinda sucked.
>>727737569I agree 100%, allowing critics and online streaming to mess up their experience of a game that prides itself in immersion in the atmosphere. It's a damn shame, because Prime games have always been very personal things to experience.
>>727735285how can i do that if i never play it?
>>727735708>What the fuck was the point of the bikeone of metroid's creators loves motorcycles
>>727737720It's possible, I'll reach the ending tomorrow. But given what the critics said about the NPCs I'll chalk it up to them being retarded for now. So far what critics have said about the game doesn't make any sense because it's like we're playing completely different games>>727737973Yeah, seeing everything for yourself is great.
>>727735285I'm liking the story a lot, but I really don't need Mackenzie repeating what I just saw as soon as I get back to the overworld
>>727735285I vastly prefer the inclusion of the hubworld Sol Valley over the Magmoor Caverns of Prime 1. I'm really beginning to believe people are going to come around to Prime 4 in the future.
"People will enjoy this at a later date" is not a good selling point.
>>727737473>Nobody talks about Nintendo games anymoreFTFY. Nintendo just doesn't make interesting, and engaging Video Games like they used to. They don't shake the industry like they used to. Only other devs do so now. Like Fromsoft. Nintendo just gets big sales from casuals/families. Their games make zero impact in the gaming-world though. Never considered the best in game-design, never considered GOTY, etcetera.
I'm only a few hours in and I'm enjoying it, but I'm genuinely confused as to why it's so ugly. There are a lot of good visuals, particularly in the cinematics, but the game world and Samus look like dogshit. There's something totally bogged about the lighting, everything looks like plastic.
As someone who has played every Metroid game. The level design here is mostly flat, basic and linear. The world has absolutely no interconnectivity, it might as well have a level select screen. The psychic abilities are boring and mostly used to opening doors in slow and unfun ways. The NPCs are genuinely not good and take away from the Metroid experience. The desert is bad and feels like blatant filler. What does the game do well? The basics Metroid Prime gameplay which at a fundamental level is fun. In regards to what it tried to do new and distinct, it's a failure.There are people peddling the hate for profit but let's not pretend like this game is not only a disappointment but it's arguably the worst Prime game. So I don't really feel compelled to passionately defend it when it's just woefully average at best and poor at worst.I actually think the opposite will happen, as time passes and people stop having emotional responses to criticism. It'll likely be remembered as a underwhelming game.
>removed missile reload cancelling>Now they're lower dps than shots and just basic plasma shots
>>727735285You wish lmaoThis game is gonna age so fucking bad because it released the same year as Silksong which is the complete antithesis to Prine 4's philosophy
>>727739123You're nuts, the lighting is gorgeous. I don't know when the last time it was we had baked lighting this good.
>>727738696It kinda is when most people complaining never played a Metroid game in their life and just hate Nintendo in general. It was the same thing with dread. People said shill song was better and Dread was shit and now they say dread is the best 2d Metroid. Lol>>727739123To be fair it still is a switch 1 game, a very pretty switch 1 game on switch 2. Most people will play on switch 2 and think it runs like shit on switch 1 but it's actually solid there if you ignore loadings of course.
Why doesn't Samus talk in this? Everyone else talks so much. It's not like one of the games where there's simply no one to converse with.
>>727735285People have been growing to hate this writing for years, but sure, shill. People are going to magically unhate this writing, just for this mid game!
>>727735285Just like with princess peach bonanza and mario kart wilds and mario wonder and zelda echoes of wisdom. Timeless. Nintendo. Classics.
Warming up to a game with primarily three enemy types predominating encounter design, unresolved plot lines, character assassination, wasted potential with the psychic powers shtick, a barebones open world area that reads as somebody's first Unity project on itch and serves as nothing but filler, the awful wolf encounter where you can kill the entirety of Yellowstone's population before it ends, making a jump cut out of the volcano immediately after messing with a control panel to save some NPCs in the middle of a countdown, three different endgame items required when the keys were actually the last thing Samus needed, all the while the entire thing reads as several different game builds held together with gum and tape?Nah, fuck off. If you can't feel the manhandling throughout the entire thing then I don't know what to tell you. What a disappointment.
>>727739381Just correcting myself, it was probably hollow knight 1. I sometimes forget that silksong also took years to release like Metroid.
>>727735285Hey anon, if you're lost try exploring reddit!
>>727739398Do you want anyther other m?
>>727737569>I really got no complaintsHours of riding around farming crystals?Myles backseating you the moment you enter the desert?How about the mine area literally being a straight line that consists mostly of cutscenes?
>>727739285It's hard to pretend Beyond's lighting is anything special when Cyberpunk exists on the Switch 2. Don't get me wrong, Cyberpunk is a terrible game and I'd rather play Beyond, no question, but if that shit did anything amazing it was lighting. Beyond looks like a joke compared to it, and to its own predecessors, the latter of which is the real issue. The visual style and technical aspects are a horrible downgrade for the most part, and even ignoring the desert.
>>727738336He should have kept his fetish for himself
>>727739668NTA but I wouldn't mind them giving it another shot. They can take the feedback from Other M and work with it to make a sequel that improves on things.
How did that one SMT game set in a desert do? I get similar vibes from that game.
>>727739668Honestly it just makes Samus seem too friendly. She goes along with everything everyone says.
nobody can afford it, the only people who played it are super nerds and journalists who write a onions article about it after 10 minutes of cutscenes.
>>727739668Having her completely mute makes her seem like she's autistic or something. Like the groid asks her where she's going and she just silently looks toward the map hologram. It's fucking weird. Samus isn't a mute, she's just usually alone.
>>727739668If there's one thing I do appreciate about Dread, it's that Samus speaks Chozo. It's a great compromise.
>>727739962The desert in SMT V was not that big. It was more city ruins with a desert around it.>>727740035To be fair I'm still waiting for my physical copy to arrive.
>>727739984Not like Samus has anything really going on anyway. She's not a character in any sense of the word, never has been.
>>727740082That's a great point.
>>727739871We have extremely different tastes because I think base Cyberpunk's lighting is trash. I can't stand probe-based GI. Only Cyberpunk's pathtracer is good.
>>727739731Dont respond to lying faggots. The check cleared.
>>727740082Yeah it makes her seem like it's her first time socializing. Which would be kind of cute If that's just how she acted normally, but I know better.
>>727740171She's a character in both Fusion and Other M.People just hate that this character revolves around her relationship with a male character.
>>727739871Anon... Beyond is a switch 1 game with a 4k texture pack on switch 2. It runs smooth on switch 1. It has to run in both systems. The only bad thing about playing on switch 1 is the loading times though. Everyone is forgetting that this was developed as a switch 1 game.
>>727740463anon, I... did you miss the part where I mentioned two gamecube games, one wii game, and a switch remaster?
People are already warming up to the feddies lol
>>727740171Quiet, independent, fearless, seems distant but cares about her past, heritage, and other beings. That's about what I got. You might not have noticed it...but your brain did
>>727739731Nope sorry. I don't buy any of the excuses critics have used so far.
>>727740542??? The comment I'm replying is comparing beyond to cyberpunk. The fuck are you talking about?
Why does every door look like a vagina?
>>727740691How about the issue from Prime 1 where you have to spend ammo to begin charging a super missile because it counts your initial press as a shot, an issue they fixed for Prime 2 and 3 but seemingly forgot about here?
>>727740171At the very least she acts pensive and standoffish in most games. In this game she doesn't even seem annoyed by Miles being obnoxious and doesn't seem to be bothered by the other characters being pretty presumptuous. It makes her seem much more easy going than she is in most games.
>>727740783Do you want them to look like penises? Sounds gay
>>727740789>where you have to spend ammo to begin charging a super missile because it counts your initial press as a shotI genuinely have no recollection of this. Don't you just charge your beam and hit the missile button?
>>727739123I disagree entirely. It's the best looking Switch game.
>>727735285I don't see how this could possibly happen.It's a game that doesn't try to one up 1 or 2. It's just essentially more of 3 except further exacerbating the flaws 3 had.It's going to be reviled long term.
>>727739259Silksong has already been forgotten, new friend.
>>727739398It would have been cool if she talked once. At the end she could have said lets go home, giving a thumbs up.
>>727740406That's true, if you decide to completely misrepresent the people who take issue with Miles.People with a triple digit IQ hate being talked down to by quippy MCU characters. We don't need to be reminded to go check out an area. We'll do it when we're ready. We don't need to reminded to use a basic function, like checking the map. We'll do it when we're ready. We don't need to be told to try out our new ability. We'll do it when we're ready.And on and on for 10+ hours.You troons are not going to get away with pushing the narrative of "U CHUDS JUST DONT LIKE IT BECAUSE UR LE VIRGINS THAT DONT WANT SAMUS TALKING TO A MAN!!!" when even fucking game journalists took issue with being talked down to by this faggot.
>>727738541>Boring fucking desert where you smash crystals for 2 hoursVs>Small collection of rooms that connect the whole worldI'll take Magmoor Caverns.
>>727739545>unresolved plot linesexplain>character assassinationyou're dumb
>>727739731>How about the mine area literally being a straight lineah, like Prime 1>Hours of riding around farming crystalsgit gud
>>727740035I've noticed that a lot of people seem to be poor this console generation, it's quite strange, but I believe it.
>>727740712>Beyond looks like a joke compared to it, and to its own predecessors(...)>its own predecessorsHoly fuck how do you even read the scan logs? Those bitches can get pretty lengthy.
>>727740958Do you remember how when you first begin charging your beam and you press the shot button to hold it, it shoots a regular shot first? That's an issue that was fixed with Prime 2 because the other beams used ammunition, so when you hold the button it doesn't waste a shot.In MP4, the issue is back, but now you trigger the super missile and other charged shots by holding the missile button, so you will always waste a missile or shot ammo by beginning your charge.
>>727735285No
>>727740542even if you did do that, it would be retarded because Prime 4 looks superior to them
>>727741336Just buffer it with a regular power shot.
>>727741321You are comparing lighting from beyond with cyberpunk, retard. No game cube games don't have better lighting fuck off.
>>727741336Oh, I see. I thought you were talking about having to shoot a normal missile first in Prime 1
>>727741004It's better than 1 and 2 in many ways.
>>727735439it was the same feedback everyone gave for Prime 3they heed'nt'd
>>727735285Just like Assassin’s Creed Shadows
>>727741040>he doesnt knowlol
>>727741171>flashbacks to retreading those dumb fucking hallwaysyuck
>>727741578Except not in the way that truly matter.
>>727741336skill issue
>>727741684That way too, and some more important ways.
>>727741628>Team Cherry is bowing out of the goty awardsdo you need a hug, it's going to be okay
it is the worst prime game by a long shot. there is no debating this.
>>727735285Literally having a blast. At the mines right now.
>>727735285The only good part about this shit are the visuals and that was always gonna be a given
>>727741610That was before social media tho. No way they aren't seeing the cesspool that is the discourse around this game.
>>727735285I'm really wondering what the Namco game would have looked like.
>>727741902based, it's really good
>>727741861Hunters exists..
>>727742024Same. You forgot about your tripcode.
>>727742295Hunters' multiplayer makes it the best, and its single player respects the player and the series, so it's still better than Beyond.
>>727741861Hello anon it's me a Metroid prime game.
>>727741861Actually it's probably the best.
>>727742429oh my fuck that actually is a prime game lmao ok you got me there
You can tell that the shills are really working overtime in this thread. They can't have a sensible position like:>some people dislike the game mechanics and design philosophy, and that's okay. I personally like itNo no no. they have to be angry and hateful towards the critics that they ironically accuse of being angry and hateful. Typical shill lines include:>well you didn't 100% the game, so you can't critique it>actually the NPCs are lovable, only chuds would hate them>the desert is fun and full of good things, if you don't like it you're a snoy tranny!>look at the metacritic!YOU ARE HERE>look at the sales>every other game is bad!>if you don't worship nintendo you're evil!
>>727742601Unfathomably based.
>>727743076It's just a game bro. You are reading too many shitposts from both sides.
>>727735285If it weren't for the NPCs and Desert (i.e the worst aspects of the game.) it would be the most forgettable game in the series.3 still gets that title which is funny because I still like 3 more than 4.
>>727737926>people bitch and moan about prime 2's boss fightsI've honestly went back to prime 2 and found that I love it's bosses. They're stressful in just the right ways.
>>727735285It's the worst prime game because it's just 3 but with the worst backtrack area in a prime game to date and annoying as fuck NPCs.
>>727743641Federation force is a prime game so it can't be worse. I think people forgot what true despair is.
>>727735581The npcs are significantly less chatty outside of pissbaby journo mode, all these idiot journos did was out themselves as retards who play games on easy difficulty, they probably thought the overtutorialization was in all modes and they could safely bitch and whine about it while not disclossing that they played on easy, but sadly for them it turns out that if you don't play in braindead retard mode then the game doesn't feel the need to explain the puzzles to you, 95% of the npc text you get in normal is story-relevant, not these fallacious claims that the npcs explain the puzzles to you or tell you to do something repeatedly, the other 5% being Myles simply telling you were to go if you meander too long in the desert, which is essentially the same thing 1 and 2 did with the hint system, just framed around a character rather than a prompt from the ship's computer.And honestly, after having played the mine, the npc segments actually pay off really well.
>>727744041>it's okay for NPCs to exist in a Metroid gameSod off, shill.
>>727744041Can't you just turn off tutorials, dialogue text and voice acting? I really don't get it.
>>727744137Yes, there's toggles for all of this, story-related and gameplay text even have separate toggles.
>WAAAH WAAAH WAAAH WAAAH WHY IS NINTENDO STILL MAKING BOTW SHIT>Nintendo makes a literal classic 3d Zelda>NOOOOO NOT LIKE THATPrime 4 is gonna get a sterling reevaluation the further out Nintendo gets from the classic Zelda formula.Prove me wrong. You can't.
>>727744105Prime has been integrating npcs since Echoes with Bravo squad and the Luminoth sentinel, and 4's cast is significantly reduced from 3's Admiral Dane, the bounty hunters and the Aurora Units.
>>727742429I remember retarded fanboys gaslighting themselves into thinking this trash was good because "if it doesn't do well, Nintendo will shelf Metroid forever."You can see the exact same pattern take place with Prime 4>It's been 18 years!!!
The final portion of the game is the worst thing I've ever played in a Nintendo game.
>>727735708Reference to another Nintendo property, Mach Rider. Another masked character that turned out to be a women. Shame that this reference sucks donkey balls.
>>727744405So why people are losing their shit? There are people that get lost and need some dumb nerd to help them. If it's optional then turn it off.
>>727737841i almost respect how sociopathic of a shill you have to be to lie like this
>>727744638There are just people that are obsessed with the idea of what Metroid should be, they're the type to watch youtube documentaries on why Metroid 2, the original gameboy game, is actually the greatest game in the series.
>>727744638The Switch 2 has been attracting inordinate amounts of outrage tourism, in part due to Nintendo doing stupid things like suing the Palworld idiots and offering key cards to third party developers, but it spills over into retarded territory like endless bitching about Pokemon and Metroid, usually from people who haven't played the games, don't even own the console or are otherwise completely uninvested in these franchises.
>>727744723If you play it you would realize it's practically a repackaging of Prime. First area is green, first boss is a plant, the research facility in the ice area, the entrance of sky sanctuary at the mine, which is like a straight combat gauntlet to the goal, it just keeps going and going. I find you to be a complete retard if all this is lost on you.
>>727744517You ate shit in previous metroid games, so you should eat here tooNo anon. The point is to fix mistakes, not repeat them. NPCs do not belong in metroid, period.
>>727744901yeah i remember this moment from prime 1
>>727744105Characters and cutscenes exist in more Metroid games than the ones they don't, you fucking tard.
>>727744475It's been hilarious to me that it's like this. The fact that Prime has always leaned into the Zelda formula and self purported superfans of the series never realized. They're going to prove Aonuma is right, that linear Zelda is outdated.
>>727744952Try not playing on easy mode like a journalist then.
>>727745064classic prime 1 racing mini game right here
>>727744959And there are more bad metroids than there are good. Perhaps we should stop trying to emulate sony and focus on pure videogames, instead of this cheap attempt at being hollywood?
>>727744952I do too, it happens roughly every 30 minutes. It pops up on the hud and marks on the map where to go with a blip such as>Abnormal gravity detected in Phendrana Driftswhile you are in Chozo Ruins and just got the ice beam. Fuck that fucking ice door on the submerged frigate you arrive to within a minute of getting ice beam.
>>727745143Proof?
>>727745050I see you in the other thread you stupid shill fanboy. This Metroid = Zelda narrative is never going to stick. Find a new angle, retard.
>>727744546>It's been 18 years!!!>We're in the timeline where dev times longer than Duke Nukem Forever are now somewhat expectedFeels surreal.
>>727745223yep prime 1 was always this intrusive. this is basically par the course
>>727745279It's no narrative, tard. lmao see it's hilarious
>>727744932Are you unable to read? I told you, npc intervention is significantly reduced from 3.And again, Prime is just not a series that shies away from plot and text the way other franchises do, that's hardly a "mistake", it's just a different way of making games, the only reason the first game is so light on story is because the budget was tiny as it was a risky product being developed by a then unproven dev team, ever since the second game the games have clearly had the intention of telling more complex stories than mainline Metroid, if you don't like it you're welcome to just not play them, just like how there have to be entire genres you don't play.
>>727745143Maybe you just don't like Metroid if you hate most games. Just saying.
>>727745313>filtered by Myles GOD Mackenzie
>>727745294Space between games and in-development time are not the same thing retard.
>>727745271>Prime 3 = garbage>Other M = bottom of the barrel trash>Federation Force = trash>Fusion = Telltale movie with extra trash piled on>Dread and Samus Returns = Marvel >Zero Mission = putrid ruining of a classicSo I guess that leaves us with the OG Metroid 1 and 2, Super, Prime and Prime 2. >>727745373>npc intervention is significantly reduced from 3.If that was true, then where's the option to disable them, AND their escort missions, AND their involvement in the plot? I hated Prime 3 for lacking this option, so surely Prime 4 has it?
>>727745404what do you mean? i love him in this game!
>>727745451>Prime 3 = garbageThat's not true, I'm gonna assume the rest of what you wrote is a lie.
>>727735285I won't Because I'm already loving the fuck out of it.
>>727738541I swear everywhere in sol valley is worthy of a screenshot. They made the game look so fucking good.
>>727745313Wow, some random lines that play during the first few minutes of gameplay, can easily be turned off or ignored and don't interrupt the gameplay at all, evil game! Worst of the decade! It killed my dog and raped my grandma!You're listening to and acting like the same group of idiots who couldn't get past the Cuphead tutorial.
>>727745351Learn English you dumb pajeet.
>>727735285The game is genuinely just dull as fuck though. Not a single area in this game stacks up to even the worst designed area of Prime 3.
Someone explain the appeal of the fed NPCs to me, as someone who despises the Federation and wants every single one of them dead. I also hate what they did to Sylux. They could've made him an actually respectable final boss, instead of a cuck who loses to a few grunts.
>>727745451>So I guess that leaves us with the OG Metroid 1 and 2, Super, Prime and Prime 2.Those are the only good Metroid games, correct.Everything else is mediocre or trash. I'm sick of pretending something is above average simply cause it was made by Nintendo.Now do you want me to list all the other Metroidvanias in the industry that totally shit on Metroid. Or are we going to continue to pretend that somehow Nintendo is above the rest?Prime 4 is subpar and an embarrassment. And rather than upgrade the series to keep up with the industry, they put shit on a plate because they know their fan base has no standards, and will only compare Nintendo games to other Nintendo games.
>>727745570what do you mean anon? this is just some standard tutorializing for the prime series. personally im having a blast escorting the Federation Troopers!
>>727735285This shit is a million-billion times more fucking in your face millenial woke anti-male propaganda crap but didn't get one tenth of the shit Metroid is getting over one npc that is specifically designed to seem kinda dorky but is otherwise just kind of there being an optional hint system.
>>727745674Nah, I hate Slyux and I'm glad he turns into hentai at the end.
>>727745773Alot of people prefer Silksong and Hollow Knight, which are fine games, but if I was to make a more obscure recommendation, I'd go with Environmental Station Alpha. Not having other NPCs to constantly pester you is definitely a plus in its favor.
>>727745778>>727745570and who could dislike them with hilarious lines like this one??
>>727745773Super > AM2R = Fusion > Prime 2 > Prime 4 = Prime 1 > Metroid 1 > Prime Hunters > Dread > Prime 3 > Samus Returns > Prime Pinball = Zero Mission > Federation Force > Metroid 2 = Other M
>>727737926>I have not heard a peep about prime 4 fightsBecause no one has actually played it, it's sold like sub 50k copies
>>727745818I honestly forgot this game even existed.
>>727745871>Fusion not next to Other M
>>727745968Yeah, because that would be really fucking stupid placement.
>>727745871>Prime 2 > Prime 4 = Prime 1 > Metroid 1 >Opinion thrown in the toilet. Kill yourself.
>>727741819>three australian autists aren't flying across the Pacific to go to an awards show they already know is going to be sweptWhoah that must mean the game is shit and forgotten even though people are still talking about it constantly
>>727746004If it makes you seethe then it must be correct, I have the best taste out of any of you.
>>727745818That game got rightfully shit on and then everyone forgot about it cause it's not worth anyone's time. Right now, Metroid is getting shit on, abd after two weeks everyone will forget about it cause it's not worth anyone's time.
>>727745998They're both telltale walking sims, why wouldn't they be next to eachother?
>>727737512Thing is, I played Other M again recently and it had great gameplay with a weak story. If you could remove the story entirely it would have been completely fine, great even.You could remove the story from Prime 4 and it would still be a mess.
>>727746004no anon, vagina guilty spark represents near peak metroid
>>727744546now that the dust has settled it actually unironically is a good game with good mechanics and levelsIt's unfortunate that it's a "Metroid" game because it doesn't live up to that considering it was trying to stand (and does) on its own merrits
>>727746054>I have the best taste out of any of you.You clearly don't, considering you eat whatever turd Nintendo puts in front of you.
>>727746034I haven't heard a peep about that game two weeks after release.
>>727746135That's inaccurate, just because you have shit taste and want to talk about eating it has no baring on me. lol
>>727746207>baringLearn English, you dumb pajeet shill.
>>727746094You've yet to prove that, without using fallacies like "LOOK AT THE METACRITIC SCORE" or "HAHA SNOYS BTFO". come on man.
>>727746250>he's still madlmao
>>727746067>and after two weeks everyone will forget about it cause it's not worth anyone's timethat's the problemMetroid games are groundbreaking genre-defining masterpiecespeople still talk about Super, Fusion, Prime 1, etc to this dayit's abnormal for a Metroid game to come and go and then be forgotten; even more strange for there to be a bad Metroid game despite the series only trending worse over time
>>727746303mate the Metacritic for FedForce is terrible why would I try to cite that as a positiveIt was an ambitious spinoff game with interesting mechanic and concepts that was overhated (rightfully) for being called a Metroid Prime game despite not really being Metroid or Prime. If you examine it through that lens, you'll see it's not as bad as the hate campaign made it seem
>>727746460It deserves even more hate because of how the game doesn't even try to be a metroid, and even in the context of a spinoff it's just a trash party shooter. I love to compare it to Republic Commando, because it shows how it did everything wrong in comparison.
>>727746319Unfortunately for you, this game is not one of those "genre defining masterpieces" you're going on about.
>Powering up Volt ForgeGOSH, this is game so nice
>>727735285>game either fails and nintendo now has a reason to shelf metroid for good>game sells well cause of the AAA trends they put in getting casuals to buy it and they'll continue making Metroid games as such from now onThis situation was a win-win for Nintendo.
>>727740171He has no profession, they probably only gave him one later because of DEI bullshit
been playing it because my roommate bought it. metroid prime is one of my favorite games ever made easily top 15 but i really have not been feeling inspired to keep playing this. i last played 2 days ago and really don't feel like going back. it doesn't feel horrible but it definitely feels less inspired and too linear. imo i always really liked metroid's sense of isolation, and that's absent completely in this one. it was the main complaint i had with dread too.
I'm so glad there's so many people that don't get it, I missed when all the games I liked weren't understood by everyone, it feels like I'm experiencing something unique.
>>727746589>the manufacturing robots think you are a wheellol so cute
>>727746560did I say it was? retard
>>727740783The first boss after reaching the planet is literally named cervix lmao.
>>727745064This unskippable coddling is in normal mode.
>>727747910Not to mention the stupid escorts and mandatory backtracking to Miles are in normal too.
>>727746151Yes anon we don't have multiple Silksong threads a day and no journos are talking about it at all, it's forgotten, shhhhh
>>727746553>he game doesn't even try to be a metroidkek
>>727746151hornet sexo
>>727746654How is shelving one of their most fondly remembered IPs due to their sheer incompetence at making a good modern entry for it a "win?" Metroid has never sold very well but the people who play it really like it, and it's largely responsible for one of the biggest and most profitable indie genres currently and partially responsible for even more succesful genres like soulslikes
>>727746654good
>>727748147
>Axolotl girldude: Samus, building these bikes almost destroyed the world>Samus: Activate the forge and mass produce bikes, understoodheh
>>727748214my penis in her butt
>>727748052If that's the case I never see it. It's not like I'm gonna go looking for them, I think the game sucks.
>>727741301>NowGaming discourse has always been dictated by whether or not third world monkeys can steal it
>>727741301I'm not exactly poor and I refuse to pay €70-€80 for new games
>>727744546That was me and I stopped playing it after half an hour and returned it
>>727748490Sony set the precedent and Nintendo are following along just because they can I think. There's nothing worth the price
>>727748157Because your two options are:A) they shelf it and Samus' legacy lives on B) they completely change the identity of the series into something unrecognizable from what you loved. Something that is significantly worse and watered down to appeal to modern audiences, whose fan base will utterly usurp you and blindly defend any turn Nintendo puts out from here on.Happened to Pokemon, happened to Zelda, and it's what Nintendo wants to happen to Metroid. They do not care about old fans. They do not want your money. They want to be the next Disney. So there is no third option where they continue to make Metroid games for old fans. They're already telling us to fuck off in favor of the brainless masses who will consume low effort garbage.
So true OP, people LOVE Other M.
>>727741301Yeah, it's almost like we're in a worldwide recession with rising living costs, stagnant wages, and a shrinking middle class or something...
>>727735285Considering how fucking violently Switch shills have been shitting blood over Ocarina of Time for years now and claiming it's been "obsoleted" by BotW/TotK, you know it had to wound their egos something fuckin' FIERCE when they tried earlier on the week to convince people that Prime 4 was "just like OoT!" in a desperate bid to get more people to bite/give it a second chance.
>>727748685Nintendo was gonna kill off Metroid until they saw westoids crying about Federation Force, you better go out and buy Prime 4 in droves or your franchise is going the way of Star Fox.
Reached the desert. So far...>insanely linear and fairly boring level design. lots of rooms feel like they're way too big for what they contain>combat is fun but also far more present than in previous games, some encounters feel like they go on twice as much as they need to>very fun bosses. overall, combat is the one thing I think that has me continuing to play >has an absurdly out of place "racing" section in a VR like environment. feels extremely out of place, far more than the NPCs do>lets you shoot myles and all the other NPCs which is a nice way to blow steam>music is decent, too many guitars but its an alright replication of classic prime>some Myles tips are unskippable and irritating. his repeated reminders to use save stations makes me feel like I'm 5 years old. but aside from that I like him>story is very dull. its like they took the alien races from the previous primes and designed a new one, but by committeeThe puzzles, simplified level design and Myles' tips makes me feel like I'm playing with a fisher price toy. At least the combat is still pretty fun.
>>727748858I'm not buying shit. I'm fine with Metroid dying instead of becoming the next Zelda. I still have the old games. I still have AM2R. I still have Team Cherry. I still have Fromsoftware. Metroidvania is one of the most influential genre types in indie games. Nintendo can eat a fat turd.
Also I kept getting the feeling Samus needs a melee attack. Feels like a missed opportunity
>>727748685>Happened to Pokemon
>>727748847lmao he's still mad
>>727749048Yeah, it wouldn't need to be powerful but there would be something satisfying about Samus being able to do a weak but cool looking physical attack with good knock back.
>>727749048I was playing Corruption and kept trying to hit nearby enemies, I agree
>>727749048I wanted a parry. Seeing those faggot Grover's do it was pissing me off.
>>727749152>>727749048Having beaten the game earlier, a problem I had at the end was that I didn't feel like I was getting any stronger at all.Samus at the end of prime 1-3 feels like a god compared to most enemies by then, but the enemies never die any faster in this game.
>>727749048and a sprint
>>727749104I know, it's crazy how in denial he is about Prime 4 being shit
>>727736006>nothing generates more divide than a 6/10.I actually just scored it as such but I can't recommend it to prime fans because the things that lost it those four points are so antithetical to Metroid.It'd be like a 6/10 mario game where i said the jump physics sucked.
>>727749232in Prime 1 I just spam plasma, in Prime 2 I just spam annihilator, in Prime 3 I just spam hyper
>>727735285sure thing, dobson
>>727749335you can't spam Annihilator in Prime 2
>>727748339That's fine, but pretending no one is talking about it and it's le forgotten FotMslop is incredibly disingenuous. I don't care if you like it or not people absolutely are still talking about it
>>727749485you must not have had ammo expansions
I understand that Prime games are like Nintendo's version of half-life; big budget fidelity games with shittons of playtesting and QA so that babbies don't get lost, but I do think there could be market for an indie game that replicates its combat style. Lock on, strafe jumps, missiles, slow-ish tank-like player fighting 2-5 spongey enemies. Everybody just goes for Doom rapid speed killing 100 enemies while dying in 3 hits
>>727749493Whatever floats your boat, we both know it's incredibly niche.
>>727748685So Nintendo is as shitty as Konami was with Metal Gear, Silent Hill, and Castlevania and I should hate Nintendo just as much as I hate Konami for being retarded out of touch 85 year old japanese salaryman dinosaurs who fundamentally don't understand the mediums and franchises they're in control of or why people like them?
>>727749052It did. Pokemon was for the fans during Gen V. That gen flopped financially, so they did low effort slop for Gen 6 and slapped on Megas, and have been recycling that exact new formula for over a decade now to great success.People forget, but there was a period of time between gens 3 and 5 where the IP kinda stagnated and focused more on catering to its fans. And it saw tons of great games. Not just the mainlines and remakes, but also side games like Ranger and Conquest and Colosseum. But they IP was relative to how it is today, more "niche." Since Pokemon found away to churn out lazy games for great success, that's all they've been doing. Nintendo noticed that approach, and have started to apply it to Zelda, making it appeal more to the lowest common denominator. And you can tell Prime 4 is going for the exact same approach with the Joss Whedon writing, open world, motorcycle gimmick. Etc...
>>727749587>Pokemon>flopped
>>727749547It sold a shitzillion copies and people were so excited for it that they tanked Steam's servers when it released. You can cope as much as you want but it's not a no name game no one cares about
>>727749587>there was a period of time between gens 3 and 5 where the IP kinda stagnated and focused more on catering to its fans.Genwunner here, 2008-2010 was the peak of Pokemon.
>>727738541You can't convince me that Sol Valley isn't the Great Sea equivalent from Wind Waker.
>>727749503it's still not spamablr because my ammo needs to stay 250/250
>>727737926People bitch and moan about Prime 2's boss fights because they are bad and do not enjoy even a little challenge. Otherwise they would understand that Prime 2 has the best bosses in the franchise.I can comment on the bosses of Prime 4, they're too easy. Fun, but way too easy. I think I only died once during the final boss because I unmorphed and backed into him, but the other bosses overtelegraph what they're doing and mashing is better than charge shots which is a bummer (with the arm cannon). A bigger sin is that this game has no memorable boss music.
>>727749580>So Nintendo is as shitty as Konami was with Metal Gear, Silent Hill, and Castlevania and I should hate Nintendo just as much as I hate Konami for being retarded out of touch 85 year old japanese salaryman dinosaurs who fundamentally don't understand the mediums and franchises they're in control of or why people like them?Always have been.It's just when Iwata and Reggie were in charge they kept the board in check and made stuff for gamers, since they too were gamers. Those days are long gone, and they are dead set on becoming the next Disney. Their own fucking words.
>>727749625It was an overhyped game, do you think it's the first game to do something like that. We both know it's a niche game that most will never touch and a lot will never finish.
>>727749672Whatever you say anon, whatever you say.
>>727749686This made me realize my single death was on the bridge heading to the tram where I was scanning the shields lIke Sarge was telling me to, which got me fucking killed since I didn't have enough health for the control room.No boss fight deaths is insane, what the hell.>Fun, but way too easySuper true, though, every boss fight except the volcano serpent was a great time. Especially the super mauler griever brute. I loved how its skin hardened as the fight went on, making it a race against time before it became immune to anything samus could do.
>>727749686>Muh Reggie>Muh IwataKys Nintendeen, I bet you're still seething NoA failed in killing Xenoblade
Definitely not. It's not as bad as Other M, but it's not much better either.
>>727735285It's the same problem that Gears 5 had. Someone in there thought: Oh, we need to do an open world! All the cool kids are doing open worlds! They just don't understand that with certain franchises the open world doesn't work, and so you end up with a hub with nothing interesting, a vehicle that is only potentially useful and a lot of boredom every time you drive.
>>727745064It's normal mode. And even turning off NPC voices and the subtitles does not turn off all the chatter from Myles. And it does absolutely nothing for the cringe cutscenes. Go fuck yourself.
>>727749792Xeno 1 was fine, 2 and 3 are abominations
>>727749780idk about you but I never died in Prime 1 or 3, I died two or three times to the boostball guardian in Prime 2 and that was it for this series
The game has it's highs and very hard lows.>remake the desert to be a hub world like talon overworld or temple grounds>have only marvelkenzie and have him sit in his usual spot through the WHOLE game, make him less corny (i actually didn't hate him, and i expected to)>make the levels less linearThere, the game goes from an 8 to a 9.5.Even with how it came out it had moments i felt like i was a 14 year old Metroid/Halo obsessed kid again.>sylux cutscene plays, it transitions from his blood soaked hands to him inside the healing pod as his motif plays>you vs him on that arena in outer space>this starts playinghttps://youtu.be/nSu_NdtmmRg?si=Q0QpFMl9QkBhIMOOFUCK, it was kino and i dont give a FUCK.
>>727749927if Gears 5 has an open world I might actually check those games out now
>>727748685I felt the same way, but I have to say man... Most of our feelings for those old games and wanting them to be unchanged are us trying to hold onto the past, maybe even a wistful hope for life to be eternal or unchanging. Those games were already made, and they were good games. There is only so much creativity that can be put into games. You must remember that during the Metroid Prime Gamecube days, Samus controlled with tank controls. Now that seems ancient. During that era and through the 360/PS3 era were gameplay and controls honed by developers, but with that came reduced creativity in those aspects for whatever came down the pipe later.These new Nintendo games on the Switch 2 have been good, and Metroid Prime 4 is so good I'm sold on Nintendo.Sony is out of ideas, they have nothing. Indie games will never have the IP or high-brow setting/character/locale that have already been eaten up by paid devs, and yet indie devs have eaten up whatever good idea is left to sell... like Minecraft, which was basically just a first person version of RuneScape and slightly altered.Xbox gave up.Devs of all kinds are out of ideas, and the future is for Nintendo to sift through the idea nuggets and pull off the Vidya medium swan song. I suggest you don't pine for Nintendo to make the same game all the time.
>>727750030Just add more to the levels and the final boss and it goes from 9 to 10. I enjoyed everything, I was just left wishing there was more. That's a good sign.
>>727750016It has been 2 decades anon, I cannot recall how I performed as a 15 year old in prime 3, let alone younger in the earlier ones.Pretty sure Dark Samus fucked me up hard in 2 though.
>>727750054It's just an empty ice and sand hub that leads to the main mission or two or three side quests. This is Gears 5's weak point, for me. But give it a try if you like it.
>>727750030I need to be very honest.As someone who only played 1-3, how is this dude on our tier? Was this all dropped in hunters and I just get to be totally lost?
>>727750221That unmemorable huh
These dogshit devs couldn't even have the courtesy to let us fight a giant sand worm on our bike.
>>727749698>200k concurrent players on release and consistent social media output for months about the gameplay mechanics and story is "niche"Sure man
>>727750284Apparently he was in that shitty 3ds game, i knew him from prime hunters.To me hes a better dark samus.
>>727750354... have you finished the game? There's 2 Vi-o-la boss fights
>>727750030>>727750121You shills aren't even trying anymore.Anytime someone praises the NPCs, you immediately out yourself as a bad faith poster being paid to promote this game.
>>727750108>and the future is for Nintendo to sift through the idea nuggets and pull off the Vidya medium swan song.Nintendo takes "swan songs" and drowns them. Why do you think they just killed Bamco's attempt? Because there's no fucking way they would have outdone it is why, Sakamoto just spent all of his fans 2liter cum load savings on Dread.
>>727750108No I don't agree. Nintendo is one of the worst parasites in the gaming industry atm. On par with Sony, M$, and EA/Activision/Ubisoft. All of them need to die.The only mainstream dev I genuinely give a fuck about for now, is From Soft, and that can easily change the moment they put out a turd like what Nintendo has been doing this last decade. Outside if that, I stick to indie games. I don't need to get my gaming fix from an overprivilaged Japanese corporation with more frees than their huge pile of money.
>>727750513Read what i said.I genuinely thought i was gonna hate that motherfucker, i didn't, hes corny as fuck and cringy, but i couldn't help but just laugh at how bad it was.It's there and there isn't anything i can do about it, i didn't let it ruin the rest of the game for me.The fact that i literally never watched any marvel movie or any stupidity spat out by modern pop culture might have helped too.
>>727750704>and that can easily change the moment they put out a turd like what Nintendo has been doing this last decade.Nightrein+dlc?
At least Prime has good music and graphics.Dread has dogshit music.
>>727750759>akshually he's bad on purpose
>>727735285My emotions so far has been>I love it>Eh, I can sorta see some of the issues people have>back to "actually, I do just love it"
>>727750792I didn't play it, so it doesn't bother me. We'll see when their next mainline game drops. If it sucks. Oh well. I still have Bloodborne.
Anybody else hate the doors?
>First region is super linear and railroaded>Second region isn't much better beside a few obvious "comeback with boost ball/grappling" spots>Game finally ""opens up"">Quippy McMarvel: "Wow Samus now that you have a bike you Can Go Anywhere™">Literally everywhere I go, I lack the powerups to do fuck all beyond a single room>"Hum actually what I meant is that you can only go to this volcano at the complete opposite side of where you are">Volcano is also railroaded as fuck and only has like, 5 rooms before Quippy McMarvel asks me to come back to the first region WHEN DOES THIS GAME -ACTUALLY- LETS ME EXPLORE FOR FUCK'S SAKE?
>>727750850Awkward comedy where you laugh at a fool for being a fool has been around longer than you've been alive
>>727750846Z-57 and Raven Beak were both good in terms of the fight and their music!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7YDyJK5KZQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZLeOplNx7o
>>727735285it's actually the opposite. the desert section is going to be the bane of the kinds of people who replay games over and over and mere exposure themselves into liking it. this one is NOT going to age well
>>727750958I don't want to laugh at him. I want to put a bullet in his head.
>>727750513You fags have become the very thing you hate. You are become Myles Mackenzie.
Prime 4 just feels like Halo desuAnd not in a good way...
>>727750949No
>>727751049>I dragged down the entire experience with escort missions and marvel quips and forced linearity and unnecessary backtracking to pad out time>but I'm not le sitting next to le Phil, so.... win?
>>727751069Genuinely, how?
>>727750950>Literally everywhere I go, I lack the powerups to do fuck all beyond a single roomPeople claim to like this genre?
>>727751112You dragged down the hubbub and excitement of the first Prime game in 17 years with your constant bitching.
>>727751069but no actually, in a good way.
>>727751143Normally, you go around what's locked and by the time you generally revisit the area you have the upgrade you need
>>727751143>huh I don't seem to be able to do much here, I should look somewhere else>oh hey I found this neat new ability that lets me reach/unlock things I couldn't reach/unlock before, cool>I should go back to that one roomwhere I couldn't do a lot and see if I can do something there now with this new abilityIt's really hard to understand, I know. Not enough cutscenes or explosions
Not a single shill has explained to me why the desert needed to exist
>>727735285I’m a huge fan of Metroid gamesThis game definitely isn’t as good as even Prime 3 unfortunatelyI was hoping that they would at least deliver on that level
>>727751194Does Nintendo want a cookie for making a watered down cash-in of an already neglected franchise? Too bad.
>>727750846I wish we could fuse Beyond's graphics and music with Dread's game mechanics, atmosphere and boss fights. I know it doesn't even make sense but those games had really different strengths. It's kinda funny how we get different results with different developers.>Muh dread was shit!It was great. I'm tired to pretend it wasn't.
>>727751264So you visited too early?
>>727751501Dread had good graphics for what it was.Also was able to deliver HARD in the cutscenes.
>>727751603I specifically remember going>samus should be silent but she speaks two times in this game and both times are perfect
>>727751662i thought the scene where the chozo dude just spends 10 minutes expositing one big backstory dump was really unnatural feeling. samus's response was fine but the scene as a whole is fucking stupid
>>727751662>speaks in her own language Perfect>rages like a motherfucker and bears the shit out of raven beakAlso perfect.
>actually myles was funny and they were nice char-IT'S A FUCKING METROID PRIME GAME I DON'T CARE IF IT'S THE FUNNIEST FUCKING RETARD IN THE UNIVERSE COMEDIC RELIEF DOESN'T FUCKING BELONG IN A METROID PRIME GAMEIT'S ALWAYS FUCKING NINTENDO FAGGOTS WHO HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT THE FUCK METROID PRIME IS BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING TOURIST SECONDARIES
>>727751906>he's having a mental breakdown again
>>727751906Everything needs to be an episode of seinfeld to these people. You just know that these are the same hypocrites who cried about the NIGGA THAT'S NUTS squirrel from God of War.
>>727751996>againanon lemme vent about nintendo fags not understanding my favorite series plox>>727752050I feel so fucking bad for the og GoW trilogy fagsI won't wish this fate on anyone.
>>727751906You sound like that gay retard that got banned a few weeks ago for spamming caps and telling everyone who replied to you to kill themselves
>>727752168you are a gay retard
>>727752197So it was you, eh?
>>727752112It's happening everywhere.Imagine liking Zelda pre-2017.
>>727752228no im just calling you a gay retard>>727752257Can't wait for people to start saying "Prime 4 isn't even a bad game it's just a bad prime game" like I was saying about BotW.
>>727752340Nintendo fanboys have been moving to that exact goalpost for over a decade now with Zelda.
I'm probably going to get it and Mario Wonder with that double digital download ticket that's expiring in January since I might as well. Get the JP version and it's a pretty good bargain.
>>727735285ya probably, most likely when the ragebait and the misinformation dies down
>>727751906unfathomably based
Every day i pray that Dread's sequel has a good soundtrack, i can't believe they dropped the ball so hard there, Prime 4 has been pretty good on that front so farhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg8cHIjf6HYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7ixIxoyo7whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BFaFLKsCKYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSMspTqfbPI
>>727753925>Dread's sequel
>>727735285>forget to scan space pirate in the prologue>I'll get it later, looks like theres a whole section for sylux's guys so they'll probably show up again at the end>they enver show up again>I am screwed out of 100 percent this wayI took the time to monotonously break every crystal only to get screwed by this shit
>>727746556While I agree with you have to present this argument better because you have to remember that you travel to these areas in chunks. For example you travel the full of Chozo Ruins upon first entering, you come later to fill out more of the map
>>727754512I forgot to scan one vent and it's gonna haunt me forever
>>727749048fuck off, Melee does not fit in Metroid.
>>727735285>Years from now everyone is going to look back on it fondly. Same old story.Same song and dance
>>727751906Myles only two good quips was when you scanned him and when he goes "eeeeeyhhhhh" when you morph ball bomb that slot at the base. Otherwise he was a bad addition.
>>727744596Mach Rider reference is based, with Rhythm Heaven Groove announced all that’s left to be done is a Golden Sun and an actual Mach Rider revival. This dam Grinch Leak is 7 years old just like Ultimate, feels like it happened just yesterday. The best fake leak. And this was before the rise of generative AI.
I forgot to save and had to do the whole volt forge thing lmao
>>727754489the same dude that leaked dread said MS is working on a sequel
>>727746360
>>727735285eh, the schizos who hate everything nintendo related and relentlessly shitpost might slow down on this one if something new comes up, but people are still going to think this is a mediocre entry in the series just like 3.
>>727749048Motion Controls aside how would a Melee Attack be executed?>>727749335I guess these could work too but what if some beams are limited ammo and a boss is coming up
Enemies hit so hard wtf, at one point I have full health then I blink and I am dead
>>727735285Yeah 8 year olds with zero standards that will like the game through imprinting will make a in defense of essay once they become teens
Just beat it>Characters were for the most part inoffensive>Myles is the most annoying because he's the hint guy and you can't turn him off>Tokabi was the only decent one>The desert and bike suck ass no matter how you look at it. Absolutely nothing redeeming about these being in the game>The crystal hunt is probably the worst "final collectable" out of the Prime games by a significant margin>Level design is way too linear. Note that level design is separate to progression>The scan logs are severely lacking in soul. The larmon or whatever they're called are the most boring ancient race we've encountered so far>Everything feels like it has a placeholder name>The final sacrifice feels completely unearned. It comes out of nowhere and the mine section already did fakeout deaths for everyone>The new spiderball mechanics were neat but everything else was a rehash>Way too many forced combat sections. Metroid Prime has never been about fighting waves of enemies, and even Prime 3 was never this bad with it>Graphics were good, music was ok
>>727749587>Not just the mainlines and remakes, but also side games like Ranger and Conquest and Colosseum.Mobile Gaming was a mistake and I absolutely hate how Pokémon has embraced it with low effort meaningless slop.
>>727755201as opposed to Prime 1 and 2 where you have 15 tanks and everything hits you for 10making those extended energy tanks actually mean something is kinda based and I have to give those points to Prime 4 despite being a vehement hater
>>727749658No the great sea has too much stuff in it. Sol Valley is the sky from Skyward Sword
The problems with the game:Collect the green crystalsAnnoying companionsCollect the green crystalsBarely any enemy varietyCollect the green crystalsPowerups aren't used in an interesting way outside of just unlocking areasDid I forget to mention that you have to collect the green crystal in the empty deserts?
>>727755201One of the few highlights of Prime 4.Metroid and Zelda give you way too much health for things to not hit hard.
>>727740082That was my issue too. Either have people talk at her in a way where simple answers make sense or let her at least speak sometimes. She doesn't have to be chatty, just don't make her look like a fucking retard
>>727745856>ARMSTROOOOOOOONG>I TOLD YOU MY MORPH BALL WAS A TOOL OF JUSTICE, NOT TO BE USED IN ANGER OR VENGEANCE>BUT THIS ISN'T MY MORPH BALL
>>727744105everything about this scene sucks, how did they ever greenlight it?
>>727750556Also Sakamoto:
>>727740082Having her completely mute is bad because everyone else jabbers away so it seems inappropriate and weirdly dissonant If they wanted to make her mute they should've made everyone mute. Otherwise at least let her say basic shit like "yes" and "no" at the bare minimum
>>727736006This game is ultimately a 7/10, some bad elements parts truly take away from the game but for the most part you can just grit your teeth and push past it, and when the game opens up and you are exploring alien environments alone on foot its good metroid prime. veilguard on the other hand is completely irredeemable, 5/10 gameplay is always a supporting actor to 3/10 writing with 2/10 characters.
>>727753925This scene in Dread is very memorable to me along with the whole AI Adam and Raven Beak reveal
>>727754981>Rember him?>This is him now!>Feel old yet?
>>727737926If I have to say anything about prime 4 boss fight is that they are too padded and phases last too long, you have to repeat the same actions over and over for an extended amount of time
>>727744137Can't turn off Miles calling you every few minutes while you're doing your own thing in the desert to tell you to do the thing you are already doing
>>727745871Might be the worst ranking I've seen since Dobson's
>>727755704>Samus>Samus>Samus>LadyIt was so subtle.
>>727735285Things that will never happen
>>727753925>The better version of the main title theme only plays the first time you boot up the game If you want to hear it again make a new profile on your switch https://youtu.be/gXZEN5da6hs?si=lJ7_jePo_NUfV2fa
I don't understand why devs think their audience only gets stupider and needs more hand holding over time.
>>727735285I don't understand Sylux's backstory, I thought it was gonna be that Samus failed to save his crew so he becomes vengeful, but it turns out it was all his fault because he didn't even want to wait for her, and he blames her anyways.
>>727756342They do it exclusively for fucking stupid game journalists.
>>727735285This but the complete and total opposite.
>>727756349I took it more as he realized the power Samus had and grew more envious of it. This big ultimate weapon he wanted was casually destroyed by Samus.I don't think he gave a shit his squad was killed.
>>727751143Typically in a good Metroidvania when you are presented with multiple paths they are>Close by and not separated by a giant hub>Have a consolation rewards (like a missile expansion) down paths that you can't see to the end so the player's time doesn't feel wasted
>>727735285It's objectively worse than every previous Prime game in every single way. A 4/10.Please kys you worthless subhuman slave.
>>727735285Of course, tendies are good marketers
It's a weak point in a strong subseries. It's like 80% a good entry in the series and 20% new stuff that doesn't fit with the series. Some people will like it, some will probably think its a blight. Prime 3 was already a milder example of this, Prime 4 will just be what Prime 3 was but more so.Which is fine. I don't know about everyone else but I don't shit myself and cry when a series I like gets a new game and it's simply "good" and not greatest of all time. Yes, even if the original was god tier.
>>727756317I like it, but it's probably my least favourite Prime title theme
>>727738996Yep. At most they hired some pajeets or cultists to spam threads about even NPCs
>>727756563Shut up pundit retard. Dread was great, this is a huge pointless step down in quality.
You said the same thing about the latest star fox lmao
>>727756563Do you honestly think that the next game will be any better? Especially if this game manages to sell okay?
>>727750873Dumb goy
>>727756618>Dread was great
>>727756618Kill yourself you annoying fucking faggot.Dread was indeed great. I'm not a fucking petulant child like you though, I can enjoy a flawed game without shitting myself and crying and acting like I've been personally offended because the game after is flawed. I'm so fucking tired of faggots like you. Literally any notable flaw in anything makes you piss yourself and act like anyone disagreeing with you even slightly is a fucking shill. Genuinely a cancer on discussion for both positives and negatives. You actively make this whole situation worse INCLUDING for future games by being a fat shit on any reasonable discussion. Genuinely remove yourself from society as a whole, because no one wants to ever speak to you again. Ideally do it by suicide, right now.
>see online people whining about the final boss the last week and how it's some team fight >get to the final boss >first third is a team fight >second two things is a 1v1 with sylux and the fastest paced prime fight to date Yea I'm getting fucking sick of grifters pretending they play gamesThere is no earthly possibility anyone prefers the boss fights against metroid prime, dark samus (mp2) or dark samus (mp3) to sylux
>>727756706>I can enjoy a flawed gameI can't because I have standards.
>>727756531Besides the desert I legitimately cannot see any possible way for someone to prefer 3 to 4.And even then with the desert, if you're just told from the get go to hit every green crystal you see when traversing around between story chapters, it isn't that bad
>>727755286Looking at all those DS games is starting to depress me. The DS era was such a great time.
>>727756707I dunno my only game over in my playthrough was because that stupid bitch armstrong got herself killed during the lightning dragon phase and it really pissed me off.Phase 1 is shit. The mechanics are boring, theres way too much time spent not fighting the boss and just dodging, and the party members were nothing but a pain in the assPhase 2 is also pretty mediocre, but at least it doesn't go on too longPhase 3 is great and what the whole fight should have been.I'd have to think about Prime 1 but I definitely prefer the Prime 2 and 3 final bosses over Prime 4 and it's not even close. It doesn't help that Sylux feels completely tacked on to the game's story
>>727756852So what's Prime 4 without the Nintendo bonus?
>>7277568013 was shit. Stop setting it as the bar and pretending that's acceptable.
>>727756852>It doesn't help that Sylux feels completely tacked on to the game's storyThis was the most baffling story decision of all time. Literally the only thing fans knew for sure was that Sylux will be the bad guy I'm this story and they just brushed him aside for fucking Green Energy.
>>727756707Bro the first phase is completely retarded with fucking team jumprope and dragonhead tentacles. The second phase is just a really cheap versions of the Ridley elevator fall boss fight and the final phase is what the boss should have been all along.
>>727756852I liked the dragon fight because it was challenging, albeit the revive stuff was dumb.Phase 2 is mostly just a health regen segment and not a real phase Phase 3 is the best boss fight in prime history.I think it's a good intro to Sylux, who is clearly the antagonist of the new trilogy
Why do people act like Prime games are their own thing and they aren't just 3D Metroid games that could be literally anything?
>>727756981The dragon fight is fine and arguably the only challenging boss fight in the entire game (besides the pack of wolves lmfao)
>>727756991I just found the dragons to be annoying, and it felt like me damaging the heads didn't actually shorten the phase by any meaningful amount. I found it more annoying than anything else
>>727757031I just didn't like it because shooting the tentacles was wonky with the lock on being on the part of the boss you can't damage and then having to ress the NPCs when they get knocked out. Doing it felt like busywork because you just shot a bunch of missiles at the tentacles and hoped that they would home at them instead of just flying straight.
>>7277569166/10
>>727757031Xelios was the only boss fight that gave me trouble
>>727757120Damn that's better than the 5/10 BotW gets without it.
>>727756706>You actively make this whole situation worse INCLUDING for future games by being a fat shit on any reasonable discussion.anyone who takes this website seriously deserves it
Now that I've beaten Prime 4 I'm gonna replay the remaster so I can get a feel for just how much better Prime 1 is
>>727756202Have you played x-fusion?
It does feel like they didn't have time to name the areas, enemies or upgrades properly and left the placeholder names in
>>727757303I've never really bothered with romhacks, but I heard mixed things about it
>>727757341The only thing they tried with when they named shit were the alien race that I've already forgotten and Vi-o-la
If you people want Prime to be good again then you need to buy 2 million more copies of Remastered, the critical acclaim is there but it only sold 2 million iirc
>>727755542Didn't he make some other audio related game that was so bad it never got released in US let alone remembered? In any case Dread is basically an apology game for other M. It's like they pulled a few stories from fanfiction.net, and the disparity of listening to the fans is prevalent just in the quantity of lines Samus has in each. Probably because he wasn't directing it this time rather producing it. They cashed too much fangasm and Bamco's Metroid probably would have probably taken the wind out of its sales. It would have been anothers series they wouldn't be able to outdo like Fzero (sega). They kept the lid on it so much that technically we don't officially know Bamco was even making it.From what was revealed (a fucking title card), they were at least going to bring phazon and dark samus back.
>>727756202I trust NEStroid haters like I trust people who watch Youtube ads.
>>727757341This>psychic glove, psychic bootsWhy not Psychic Gauntlet and Psychic Greaves at least?>fury green, flare pool, ice beltESL-tier
>>727757463You're retarded.
>>727757620I have no idea what those areas are but let me suggest better names.>Florenia>Mordroth>NorwayHow did I do?
>>727757620Yeah adding psychic before the upgrades just made it sound cheap to me. "This might look like an ordinary space jump, but now you can also STAND ON PURPLE PLATFORMS!!!"
>>727756531>in every single waynah combat and mobility is -slightly- improved in prime 4. It's just that no one plays Prime for combat
>>727757620I remember one of the logs gives a name to the volcano and I'm baffled as to why that wasn't the name of the area instead of Flare Pool
>>727757731If you want good combat in Metroid play Dread DESU.
>>727757590I like the soundtrack and how open it is but everything else about it sucks. There is no reason to play it outside of historical context, the same goes for Metroid 2. Their respective remakes have outclassed them in every way
>>727756852>>727756965They're trying to do the Metroid Prime 2 thing where there's a central story but on the side Dark Samus was fucking things up with her own agenda and being a rival. It just wasn't handled well here for Sylux and just falls flat.
>>727757382I'm still playing it and its impressing me a lot. It's not on the level of AM2R and sometimes feels very romhacky but its worth to check out
Don't worry, they will fix the game with DLC by adding the beautiful Aqua Beach that houses upgrades such as Psychic Seeker Missiles and Psychic Screw Attack. You will fight iconic Bosses as the Big Yellyfish and the Great White Shark
>>727757840I guess the difference is that Dark Samus definitely felt more like a rival rather than the main antagonist, with the Ing being the actual main enemy throughout the whole game.By comparison there isn't really any big bad in Prime 4 outside of Sylux, and you don't even get to see the real him until the very end. The grievers just kind of exist. They have a backstory with the green energy corrupting them but for the most part they are just mindless beasts
>>727756801bryyo, elysia and the pirate homeworld are more memorable than the areas in prime 4the intro with the olympus and norion are more memorable than the npc troopers in 4samus gunship was cooler and less time consuming than the bike3 does everything better than 4 besides hypermode destroying any game balance
>>727757997>>727757840Also why did Sylux launch the green energy shell?Like what was he trying to do by doing that? Did he just assume it would make the animals stronger so they could maybe kill Samus or something?
>>727745064try not being a liar.
>>727756801Prime 3 has better levels, better power ups, a better story, and a much better scanlog.Green Crystal gathering is mentioned once at the very start of the game and then never brought up again until it suddenly becomes mandatory. And unlike the Artifacts, Sky Temple Keys, and Batteries, there's absolutely nothing interesting about collecting crystals. In the previous games you'd get a clue about where the item is and have to find it, collecting crystals in Prime 4 just involves driving through things for an hour or two over the course of the game.They should have left it at getting the mech parts, having to do both is needless padding
Am I the only one that felt basically zero desire to help those alien fucks? Literally everything bad that happened to them and their world was caused by their hubris. The green energy rain is entirely their fault, and after a certain point they just give up trying to fix it themselves and just wait for "the chosen one" to come and do it for them. And Samus doesn't even fix anything, she gets a fucking seed that holds their knowledge or whatever and plants it on a new planet then fucks off.At least the Luminoth asked nicely and actually gave Samus a valid reason to stop the Ing. All we got in Prime 4 was "if you want to go home you'll have to do as we say also feel bad for us o Chosen One"
>>727756801>if you're just told from the get go to hit every green crystal you see when traversing around between story chapters, it isn't that badin metroid 3 you don't need to drive through an empty timewasting desert every time you need to backtrack or go anywhere. this trash is padded modern slop.of course metroid prime 3 is better.
It's crazy that we got the worst 2D Metroid and the worst 3D Metroid games back to back.
>>727758374Aliens were probably just not thought out, like their plan for example, what did they even expect samus to do if all of them were still alive, the only things they left her were a teleporter and the keys to start it, something they used to try and find her anyways. This game reeks of rewrites and it really shows.
>>727758606idk how huge companies find writing hardyou can write the plot for a big game in twenty minutesIt's almost literally "you press a button, then something awesome happens. Button:awesome!"
Why is this fucker constantly telling me where do I have to go even though I've turned off the hint system?
>>727758472No way Dread is worse than Fusion or Samus Returns.
>>727758472Fusion came out more than 20 years ago
>>727758374it also helps that they were sick as helljust look at this dudeI always wanted to pet his chest
>>727759000It's not, but anon likes being hyperbolic.
>>727735285it's the opposite. right now many are still playing the game. the bad aftertaste left in people's mouths from either slogging through the desert to get all the upgrades even though there's nothing to do with them, or dropping the game uncompleted, is going to color people's memories of this game. it does the metroid structure all wrong. feels like the Halo Infinite of Metroid.
>>727756707define grifter without using a dictionary
>>727759223Man whose opinions shift with profitability.
All prime 3 needed to do was be better than 3, the bar was at the floor and it still couldn't do itits still a good game though
>>727757478wish they would've stuck with the blue motif instead of switching to purpleSamus's purple highlights after getting the powers just NOT it yo
More like 99 percent of the players will move on and forget about this mid game while the fanboys will suddenly dominate the discussion and act like it's a hidden masterpiece.
>>727759409>still a good gameExplain how
>>727753925Retro and mercury steam should learn from each other. They really have different strengths and weakness when making Metroid games.
>>727759671Real actual Metroid fans are hating this gameThe only people enjoying it are r*ddit and casualsI was going to say shills too but realistically they didn't buy this game, they're just sychophantically defending it online and reverse reviewbombing every rating site to "own the chuds" because uhh... that'll make the game less shit or something
>30 dollars to unlock soundtrackLMAO!
>>727759881>retroCan't writeCan't do areasCan't let you do what you want and figure stuff out>their current Samus is an autistic retard and hi refuses to talk to people talking to her>MSNeeds better music and graphics (budget)
>>727759564>think the Prime 4 Varia Suit looks great>Gets shit up with purple highlight immediately after the intro
No one will remember this game in two months. No one remembered the fucking TOTK after four months, imagine a niche game that can't reach 10% of Zelda's sales.There is this recent post-Covid phenomenon where games are failing to become culturally relevant. Partly because most of them are terrible (like Metroid Prime 4, yet another piece of trash for the collection of modern trash), partly because many of them are too expensive (Doom Dark Ages costs more than Doom Eternal even though it is universally considered inferior to it in every way), partly because people are taking refuge in classic games that have stood the test of time.There are several reasons, but the truth is that modern games are coming and going, and people no longer care about them.
>>727735439>Even so Retro Studios has real feedback they need to heed.I mean, not really? The only issue people have is with the handful of characters.
>>727755246>>Myles is the most annoying because he's the hint guy and you can't turn him offFor me Myles is a character that is a whole lot of HUGE sins in one character.>comedic relief in a metroid game>not even good comedy, actual millennial character>Need to go to him for upgrades; removing independency from Samus>Aurora Units but much more annoying and obnoxious>Ugly pasty white nerdGenuinely wtf were they thinking this shit belonged in a metroid game. I wouldn't nearly care as much if it was any other series.
>>727760034I can't imagine how bad the previous Metroid 4 build was for Nintendo to drop Bandai. Probably even had a better story but performance was bad. At this point maybe monolith should try to make a Metroid game...
>>727745939It's first on the eshop.No game in that position had sold badly. Cope.
>>727760630>No one remembered the fucking TOTK after four monthsMeanwhile in reality people are still making totk content and you're still seething about it.>There is this recent post-Covid phenomenon where games are failing to become culturally relevantIt's not a "post covid" thing that's just how it is, people play a game and move on to the next one with fans still playing it for longer and angry children still seething out of their gourd. That's how it's been since the early 2000s.
>>727758795One possible explanation I can think of is that the process is too frustrating for writers to care after a while. Things like, "Oh, that key plot point? Well, we had to cut that whole level because of an engine limitation", and the guy has to start rewriting everything again. And then there's censorship, there's the marketing team forcing you to put in a bunch of buzzwords and tropes that they think is the reason why the last teen movie was successful, there's Nintendo of America thinking that something might be seen as offensive by a gay Eskimo immigrant, there are transvestites modifying what you did because they think it's not helping their cause that women can have penises, etc.I can see writers just not giving a fuck after a while and delivering any meaningless garbage.
>>727749232This is probably the hardest Prime game at least. There's only one actual beam damage upgrade (for collecting crystals lel), everything else is a sidegrade. Element beams are cool but take a lot of shots to actually kill anything, and the delay between missile shots makes them practically useless. Meanwhile enemies constantly get stronger and can take out an entire energy tank just on normal. Doing a low percent hard mode run would be pretty painful.
>>727760993>This is probably the hardest Prime game at least.2 is still harder.
>>727757121The damn scripted Wolf Whirlwind section in Ice Belt seemed to go on endlessly, first attempt I almost depleted my fire shots, I then got overwhelmed because the Wolves were barely dropping ammo or health, I died once, did it again and somehow managed to activate the cutscene where I get saved by a Galactic Fed member. That part was a little annoying.
>>727758374What's the story lore behind the Green Energy (why couldn't they come up with an original name)? Is it just phazon but in the form of green crystals? That is produces massive amount of energy and mutates things?
>>727760910>Meanwhile in reality people are still making totk content and you're still seething about it.Stop lying, anon. I've shown several times here how TOTK's influence was negligible. After a few months, TOTK was selling less daily than BOTW, a game that was six years older. That only happens with shitty sequels, which was the case with Kerbal 2, Cities Skylines 2, and more recently, Doom Dark Ages.Furthermore, TOTK, in its second year, failed to achieve even 1/10 of the sales of Nintendo's successful games. Animal Crossing added shit like 20 million copies in its second year, while TOTK barely passed 1 million in its second year, being surpassed by several older games such as Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, and even BOTW.BOTW was so influential that 4 years after its release, people were still searching for information about the game on Google, keeping BOTW's relevance at 25%, while after fucking 4 months, TOTK's relevance on Google was 5%.Basically, no one discusses TOTK here on /v/, and the game only appears in the imagination of users because there's an autist who keeps making several threads per day with the title "what went wrong?".
>>727757620I don’t mind the simple lazy area location names, I can actually remember them like Anthony Higgs.
>Basically no space pirates this game>If we get a Prime 5 and if they do show up for that they'll be mindless slaves again
The intro of this game feels like we skipped an entire Metroid adventure. Usually how the Prime games goes is that you explore a bit, there's a bit of mystery, then you find the Metroids in the stasis chambers and you find logs to piece together what experiments and fuckery they're trying to do now. Then the Metroids break out and yadda yaddaHere though:>Sylux all of a sudden is leading the Space Pirates>The Space Pirates are actually being controlled by Metroids>Oh yeah there's a new strand of Metroids that seem similar to the Mochtroid, they can seemingly mind control Pirates and also fuse into other creatures to morph them All of this text dumped in the beginning text scroll and handwaved with no fanfare. Insane. An actual adventure would:>Have Samus likely confront Sylux>Mystery is what the fuck he's doing>She finds the Metroid stolen from the lab of Federation Force>scans logs slowly reveal what fuckery is being done to them>They break out, can mind control and fuse>Sylux has a cool guy moment where he is unleashing these new Metroids on Spacre Pirates to control them and is slowly building an armyTHEN it leads to metroid prime 4 where Sylux starts his assault.
>>727760034>Can't do areasKill yourself faggot, the individual areas are one of the best points of Primer 4
>>727761091Not really, just recently 100%'d Prime 2 on hard on the trilogy, I've already died more on Prime 4 normal.
>>727760147arguably looks okay after getting the Vi-O-La suit but then the Legacy suit just.. doesn't use the Purple psychic motif???besides looking like a discount Light Suit, purple and white would've gone hard
>>727762397I still don't get the point of the third suit. Why even bother if you're not gonna change anything? And the upgrade doesn't even apply to the suit it applies to the bike
>>727761435>Basically, no one discusses TOTK here on /v/That's because everytime you try and make a thread about BOTW or TOTK, the thread gets instantly invaded and ruined by shitposting schizoid faggotsI hope that in 5 years we'll finally be able to actually talk about the fucking gamesBut since those 2 games assraped this board to oblivion, I'm not so sure
>>727762624This only happens for tiktok, not BotW.
>>727762667This happens for both.
>>727756349He's a jealous dickhead. That's literally it. He wanted the weapon for selfish reasons and not only did he fuck up, but Samus shows up and steals his glory and destroys the weapon that he wanted. He's obviously not meant to be sympathetic and I am fine with it.
>>727735285So true, xisterNintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo. Nintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo. Nintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo. Nintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo. Nintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo. Nintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo. Nintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo. Nintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo. Nintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo. Nintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo. Nintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo. Nintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo. Nintendo can do no wrong. Praise Nintendo.
>>727745674But his final boss was kino? He didn’t lose to the grunts, he lost to Samus and was too weak to fight back at that point.
>>727744041Can't judge because I don't watch review fags but on normal diff>scan door>I think that's the right wayGee you think?
>>727735285>EveryoneShitposters never cared about Prime 4 or any Metroid game
>>727763754first phase is gay as hellsecond phase sucksthird phase is decent but barely holds a candle to a single one of Prime 2's Dark Samus fights
honestly though, should the genre still be called metroidvania?
>>727735285you're wrong, because every time someone thinks about replaying it they're going to remember they have to spend a couple hours driving into green crystals and realise the game isn't worth it
>>727735285I think it's good, not great. The bosses all take way too many hits, it gets tedious, and the overworld sucks. But when you're exploring an area it's very strong, the art direction and ambient audio is best in class, huge props to having actual good hdr- which is something that most games fall on their ass with.
>>727763814Shitposter here, I care for 2Droid. Can't wait to see you primetrannies rope yourselvesNow go back to having a blast lmao>>727763852Absolutely not. Call them hollowvanias instead or something. I'm tired of niggers calling the prime games metroidvanias just because it has "metroid" in the name.
Game is good but man was it held the fuck back by how shaky that development must’ve been. Prime 5 built from the ground up with an established team will probably be much better off.
>>727735285set pice open slop, one more step ruining videogames.
>>727763852posting different terms cause I got curious
>>727763997Okay, but we said that about halo 4 to 5 with a lot of the same devs, and halo 5 is a hate crime against good taste. Kind of not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this.
>started playing prime remastered>there's more interesting flavour text in the frigate than there was in the entirety of Prime 4I swear to god every single scan for a computer or piece of machinery was an explanation for why it doesn't work instead of having something interesting being written
>>727757341They sound like fucking Pokemon spinoff names.
>>727764058from what i understand, if you choose "search term", you're only get the results for searches with those exact words, meaning that if the title is different in another language (e.g., japanese), it's not gonna be included in said results
>>727764138This is going to be an incredibly obscure reference but the scanning reminding me of pc-98 games like yu-on, just endless meaningless information to pad the game out.
>>727764261Japan hates Metroid so it won't have any effects on the results
>tanky bosses that aren't hard, just a slog>hyrule field world design is less interesting than an interconnected map>supporting characters ruin atmosphere >characters tell you where to go with no way of disabling>obtuse backtracking likely as a result of guide charactersI am quite disappointed. There were moments I was loving it but they were fairly rare.
>>727758795Yeah this baffles me a lot. Making a somewhat coherrent story does not take that long even if it's not the most high quality. But instead nowadays we get stories that are just random things stitched together that ultimately make no sense and leave you scratching your head how it got even approved into the game. Like I'm sure that /v/ could write a better story for this game in an hour with people just shitposting and you're telling me that Retro couldn't do something similar in the 6 years they were working on this game? Absolute bullshit
>>7277445173 was regarded as the worst game, they shouldn't have tried to fix 3 with 4, they should have used 1 & 2 as the blueprint.
>>727748913You have pretty much the exact points I do I’d like to add:>Fumbles storytelling and pacing by having samus be directly told she’s the chosen one here to save the ethereal lost alien race, 10 minutes after appearing and before getting to do any exploration.>stupid “psychic” theme that achieves nothing except append “psychic” to previously standard abilities.>Tonally, stylistically just not very cool in all the ways Metroid prime was cool. The feeling of cold sci-fi mystery is reduced in favor of a generic sense of colorful adventure
>>727763898>couple of hoursThe game literally has 190% green crystals and the large power bombable nodes contain like 70% green crystals themselves, how the fuck anyone had to grind these crystals for the end game for any longer than 10 minutes is absolutely beyond me, once you get to 75% you get a green crystal radar, the green crystals are the easiest collectable in any Nintendo game outside of gold coins in Mario.
>>727763852hollow knight is more dark souls and still doesn't compare to Super Metroid, or even Metroid Dread.
>>727763852Yes. Why would the current flavour have any bearing on the origin of the genre?
>>727764660I still had to fucking piss about collecting them, it's shit even if it's not "that bad". Removing it entirely from the game would improve it. Don't defend shit design just because other people blow it out of proportion.
>>727764576fucking up the tone bothers me. metroid had such a cool vibe and brand and it's like they're desperate to ruin it and destroy it as much as possible
>>727761379It's being extracted from magma and being shot into the atmosphere for reasons. They kinda forgot to write the reason for it as they did with many other plot points
>>727764660"easy" is the fucking problem you dipshit, it's busywork padding timewasting garbage
>>727764774It was supposed to bring tranquility to the wildlife or something. Except it doesn’t, and they never bothered to stop doing it and just let it automate
>>727764284Scanning was a good way to fill out the world without exposition.
>>727738996Nintendo has been coasting on the success of Super Mario 64 for 30 years and finally people have realized nothing since then has been worth jack shit. Just baby games for preschoolers.
retro studios launch party
>>727762397The last suit makes you look like a Lamorn.Light suit is better though
>>727762397Is the third even a suit upgrade? Your bike gets a mode where it can hover over lava in one place and that's the whole upgrade lol
>>727764749>>727764803>dude you must spend hours collecting them>actually you just need to grab the ones in the caves blow up the big nodes and then hit a handful of other nodes to get to the end gameAre we at the hyperbowl or are you all just this retarded, nice goal post moving too faggots.This is literally easier than the relic hunt in Metroid Prime, and you don't even have to go out of your way for the most part, you just need to hit the nodes while you are out in the world as you go, and then any of the large nodes you meet on the way between the mines and fury green, and you will literally have more than enough for the end game. As in you don't even have to go fully out of your way to get this.
>>727764576It's so comical how she was immediately a chosen one right from the get go. Prime 2 already showed them a template of how to be a savior to other races and they fucked it up.
>>727764660It's just mindless busywork that adds nothing to the game. Having to drive a stupid bike that controls like a Mario Party mini game around an empty desert while trying to crash into crystal nodes is just fucking boring
>>727764919I hope this game succeeds, you know why, because in spite of every minor gripe every faggot has this game was the best shooter I'd played in years and made me realize how fucking hollow the rest of the industry is as a whole, in fact it was the best AAA/AA game I'd also played in years too, in spite of the many minor flaws it has it still looked and played better and had better level design than all of it's competition.
>>727764850After the green rain cutscene (which didn't even really make sense) the whole plot point is pretty much dropped. You get to see it's manufactured in the lava pool and then you get the Griever subplot that doesn't go anywhere either
>>727764954The suit is heat resistant, hence you being able to be in the super hot area to shut off the lava generator It's just you never get access to a hot area until you get the suit so it doesn't matterHonesty one of the biggest problems of the game is they never make upgrades feel like they're helping you
>>727765060It's such minimal busy work it's like complaining about picking up coins in Mario, it's literally right there and if you don't have enough by the end of the game you are avoiding them in spite of the game telling you to grab them.
>>727764919>bisexual lighting
>>727765160Isn't the suit already heat resistaant due to the varia suit? I never got the impression that the upgade was enabling being in heated rooms
>>727765169Dunno I had to waste like an hour or so collecting them and most people seemed to have the same issue
>>727764909I like scanning I just like the information to be good or interesting, items that didn't need to have exposition like broken manufacturing equipment should have not been scannable.
>>727765245You niggers avoid them like you avoid your vegetables, eat your greens fuckers.
>>727765169picking up coins is integral to Mariopicking up coins in Metroid is not
>>727765057I don’t think Samus specifically was the chosen one. They just believed in anyone who’d show up to be the Chosen One which happened to be Samus first. Even in the game’s lore you find out none of the other Lamorn believed it and left the planet to find help themselves.
>>727765160>>727765205>Step into Tokabi's fire by accident>Take damageWhoever programmed that into the game needs to be removed.In fact your area resistance or lack there of makes little sense in this game and it's annoying.
>>727765205The viola suit probably doesn't have heat resistance but the upgraded viola suit doesIdk the game just tells you that you have heat resistance now
>>727765030lol not "going out of your way" isn't the point when I shouldn't be in that fucking barren desert in the first place. the fact that it's broken up throughout the game doesn't make it any less shit
>>727765125it was a good game but a horrible Metroid
>>727765314Yea they even have that giant hole in the ice area where the lore says if you're really the chosen one you should be able to climb out of the hole.They left generic messages to whoever puts the giant psychic crystal on their head to read them
>>727765314What happened to the Lamorn that caused their decline? Was the green energy mutating them into grievers? Was the green energy native to Viewros, or is it basically nu-phazon and has an unknown origin?
>>727765493Nigga play the game
>>727765160you get the Space Jump Boots (whoops, I mean "Psychic" Boots" way too early. There's barely any areas where you felt like you are hampered by not having the double jump
>>727765419It wasn't even a horrible Metroid, Metroid Fusion was more linear, and that game is still beloved.
>>727765493Finish the game.One of the final pieces of almost unskippable lore spells our what happened
The dull dull dull level design is the real bane hereMetroid Dread felt a bit goofy, a bit direct-to-DVD in its tone and atmosphere. It was called “Dread” and was sold to us as horror-leaning, but was significantly less eerie and tense than Fusion. Those EMI robots with their telegraphed separated play zones couldn’t possibly freak anyone out like the SA-X appearing mid exploration did. I also didn’t like how the world is just haphazardly connected by teleporters and despite being complex in design and big in scope, rarely lets you really get lost. But despite that Dread just had good, fun level design, impactful character progression, highly satisfying bosses and thus was just fun and exciting to play. I wouldn’t even mind the levels separated wholly by desert or the NPCs so much if every zone was a fat, juicy chunk of metroidvania exploration by itself. But they’re not, they’re very dull, mega-basic FPS levels with combat nowhere near good enough to offer so little else, and a few puzzles that barely qualify for the term, ocassionally interspersed by a vista with nice art design. The Nintendo bots shushing everyone and insisting it’s “fine” are showing their consumer identity buyers remorse. This is a boring fucking game. You will have more fun playing Halo 4 than Prime 4.
>>727765313However much you could trim this aspect of the game that's not the point, the point is the retarded hyperbole that you need to grind for hours to get to the ending, when that's just not true.
>>727751728I think it fits. You are exploring by yourself most of the game, of course there's going to be an infodump when you finally meet someone.>>727751501Dread had fantastic art direction.
>>727765614 Metroid Fusion is more linear in the sense of what order you have to complete main objectives - but A) the levels actually do have cool design that loops back on itself and often features short albeit actually branching junctions and paths. Also the game is excellently paced, has a deftly woven atmosphere, has the best story in the series, and the linearity is subverted in an effective way halfway through the game when samus starts making unauthorized moves and seeing things she shouldn’t see.
>>727765658that's the thing with dread, fusion did it a lot better. dread represents a regression
>>727765710Let's say for the sake of an argument that it takes an hour to gather them. That means you have to drive around the empty desert for an hour smashing into crystals which is so mindnumbingly dull that it should not be in the game at all
>>727765614For all its restrictiveness, Fusion still has some unmatched atmosphere, great and original boss fights, focus on action and ironically, more open-ended areas where you're free to roam and figure something out and go into more rooms than just continue in a straight line like Prime 4. Adam locks you into an area, true, but you've got more rooms you can go to at any given time and the layouts are more complex. 4's combat is also decent but with the pitiful enemy variety and limited bosses, it doesn't get to shine that much. The only time I think 4 puts effort into atmosphere and gives you several doors is the ice lab, and the second half kinda bungles it. Just a wet fart of a game that looks and feels okay to play.>>727765658I agree, I'd forgive 4's shortcomings if the level design was the best in the series, but yeah, it's actually the worst. I don't love Dread's tone or music and it also had a bit of a gimmick problem but there were several decisions that worked in its favor and really made it feel like the devs were listening to feedback, it's a good game. Prime 4's merits come solely from stuff that Prime 1-3 did, and did them all worse, without exception.
>>727765658>and despite being complex in design and big in scope, rarely lets you really get lost.I am sick and tired of you retards using this as an argument against dread.Go back and fucking try to sequence break literally any game in the series except Super Metroid (without glitches).You fucking can't. Metroid as a series is the most linear series of "metroidvania" games out there. Prime 1 looks like it has one of the most open and non linear maps out there. Lol nope it's linear as fuck, it just makes you feel like it's open and lets you go be a retard from time to time and ignore all the signs of where the game is telling you to go so you go down the wrong path which is blocked by something you need an item for.Dread doesn't have a giant GPS arrow telling you where to go, it's just the best game in the series of contextually nudging you in the right direction, and it's utterly fucking insane to me that you people criticize it for doing perfectly what Metroid as a series is praised for.
>>727765947Yeah even if Fusion is linear, the areas are still designed really well to loop around and open up more with upgrades. Prime 4 definitely could have made the areas open up more on further visits rather than make it so that few of them have like 3 rooms in a line you have to go to on a revisit to get an upgrade
>>727765614Fusion gave up explorative freedom and movement exploits to double down on all the other aspects that make Metroid "Metroid" (atmosphere, story, bosses)Prime 4 trades a lot of the Metroid soul for accessibility and that just makes a game that is forgotten by the casuals it's meant to appeal to overtime and flat out rejected by fans for watering down the series
>>727756704Not that anon, but yes. It's mid-high tier in the series. >fantastic boss fights>skillful combat>basic, but good story>good level design, some railroading but you can also sequence break>mostly meh music>fantastic art design and visuals>packed with abilities>good replay value and lots of hidden stuff to find
>>727766109None of the games have freedom except Super metroid, stop this meme immediately.Fusion's problem, like Prime 4 and Prime 3, is that you're rarely going back to earlier areas to get to new areas. Each zone is very instanced, and the only time you return to an earlier zone is occasionally for an upgrade, not to advance the story m
>>727764774A desertification was mentioned, they wanted to counter that and return sol valley to a lush state and strengthen the local fauna, thus the green energy (gay name) rain.
>>727766230it's better than prime 3/4 and og metroid and federation force and other M, so I guesssss I understand calling it mid-high tier for the seriesbut it's in the "shit" pile along with all the other shit games as far as I'm concerned
>>727766310Dread is 2nd only to super in the series
>>727735285what the fuck is it going to take whoever the fuck it is at nintendo that keeps fucking forcing the federation into every single fucking metroid gameNOONE LIKES THE FUCKING FEDERATIONJUST LET SAMUS BE ALREADY
>>727766407Metroid Prime 2 basically set examples of how to handle "evolving" the Metroid formula and then was never revisited ever again>Federation was more of a minor narrative backdrop in the first 30% of the game then barely revisited again>Samus was never a "chosen one" only immediately recognized as someone with the skills to complete the job>The "Big Bad" (Dark Samus) was featured often and if not fought in direct confrontation, had plenty of indirect contact with environmental storytelling throughout the areas>bosses featured many different mechanics that relied on using your ENTIRE arsenal making every single boss feel wholly distinct and unique from each other>reasons and security in excessive late-game backtracking to find hidden Dark World portals for the last few powerups
>>727740171She tries to do the right thing in a galaxy full of alien threats and dubious science experiments conducted by the federation all the while dealing with her own gradual loss of humanity.
A lot of you are missing the most important thing here.***********The game has no Zero Suit (nor bikini) and as a result I will not be buying it************ except possibly secondhand or heavily discounted.I'm not fiscally supporting ZSS getting squatted.Thank you for your attention in this matter.
>>727767356Zero Suit stayed past its welcome. No swimsuit is an outrage.
>>727767440idk I'd rather have implied fanservice over blatant fanserviceit feels less dirtythis game has neither though so
