Who do Gen z hate this one
>>727738878Gen z apparently
>>727738878because they suck. objectively the worst of the 2d gens and are still worse than most of the 3d slop>[insert gen] story sucks!gen2's plot ends with an anticlimactic battle against a literal who admin who doesn't even get a name until the equally as shit remake 11 years later>[insert gen] gameplay sucksgen2 undoubtedly has the most retarded design decisions>dogshit pokemon and type distribution; at least a third of the new mons are inaccessible until the very end of the game, also enjoy having exactly 1 dark type before kanto lol>worse elite 4 starts at level 40, not only making it the lowest elite 4 start by 6 levels, but meaning that you wont be able to use some of your favourite pokemon (ex Dragonite) until half way through the postgame without sweeping every gym>worst evolution item distribution; enjoy getting your stones through postgame or rng phone calls because they removed the ability to buy them>worst rematch system, enjoy waiting for random phone calls>worst level curve, enjoy fighting level 12 zubats at the 7th gym>still fighting level 25 shitmons in the grass all the way through the postgame kanto >[insert gen] has too much kanto pandering!meanwhile gen2 purposely neuters itself to cocksuck kanto>rehashed the fire starter stats>rehashed the league>even elm is cucked because the first professor you see is fucking oak>rehashed the encounter tables from beginning to end; enjoying seeing pidgey as your first pokemon and level 25 raticates outside of what is supposed to be the last area of the game lmfao>rehashed kanto pokemon for the gym leaders and elite 4, some johto mons like the larvitar line are used by 0 NPCs>rehash kanto but somehow gutted it of all content and made it a third of the size because johto is too dogshit to on its own>rehashed team rocket but made it lame as fuck with the most boring plot and hideout in the series; didn’t update the pokemon they use at all, still spamming level 10 zubats the entire game
>>727739504are you a real person
>>727739504Nice copypasta>faggots still can't wrap their head around gen 2 being a sequel
>>727738878It's better than what they grew up with but they can't admit it. Hurt
>>727739879>its ok the game is dogshit in every facet because.....uh....i played it when i was 4
>>727739789Wow repeating the first comments joke. What a clever cookie u are!
Gen 2 fags cannot describe what is good about Johturd without using the words soul, comfy or "you had to be there"
>>727738878graphic don't hold up
>>727739920The game has a cool new pokemon on the cover and you catch it. What more could you possibly need
>>727740189>an ugly chicken and a furfag's OC literally shoehorned into the games at the last minute to shill a move>cool
>>727738878people can hate all they want. I still see Crystal as peak of Pokemon
>>727739920A lot of what you said is false to begin with, AND you are complaining about petty stuff like gym leaders owning "kanto" mons or oak showing up. GS is meant to be a sequel to RB, not a soft reboot like all gens became starting in gen 3
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Where do Gen z hate this one
Is the Soul/Heart version no good?
>>727738878I am gen Z and I love this
Pokemon Red and Blue presented a world of unknowns. Pokemon were mysterious, uncatalogued creatures that even the leading expert didn't have all the answers on. YOU the player were sent on a journey of discovery to find out more.Gold and Silver were true sequels. They presented a world in which everything you experienced in the first game was just scratching the surface. The idea that they laid eggs at all was a new discovery.From gen 3 onwards this concept has been abandoned entirely in favour of a standardised framework for every new game going forwards: new region, new league, new selection of pokemon that fill the same general niches as the generation before (with a few old favorites).
>>727740069I like Johto because it has plenty of unique traits that makes it stand out>is loosely inspired by japan's osaka region hence all the traditional japanese buildings, architecture and rural areas which gives johto a more cozy feel to constrast with kanto's urbanite landscape>heavy focus on local folklore and myths with history and legends playing a more prominent role in making legendary pokemon feel more mysterious and not world ending threats>reuses the previous villain group but this time they are a dying organization desperately grasping for relevance and power which simultaneously makes them more grounded and makes the passage of time from the last games more significant
>>727740901>falsenope>nitpicksnope >its supposed to be a sequel!correct. and that doesn’t stop the games from being dogshit
>>727742198>nopeThe pokemon distribution complaint is a meme.If we assume that>You're playing Gold or Silver, not Crystal, and no real life trading is involved, even with the Time Capsule>No glitches>Only Gen II Pokémon pre-League countYou can obtain 71/100 new Pokémon.Pichu, Cleffa, Murkrow, Misdreavus, Sneasel, Slugma, Magcargo, Houndour, Houndoom, Porygon2, Elekid, Blissey, Larvitar, Pupitar, and Tyranitar are exclusive to after the League.Two starter lines remain inaccessibleSpinarak, Ariados, Phanpy, Donphan, Gligar, and Mantine are exclusive to Gold while Ledyba, Ledian, Teddiursa, Ursaring, Delibird, and Skarmory are exclusive to SilverHo-Oh is exclusive to Gold pre-League and Lugia is exclusive to Silver pre-LeagueCelebi is completely unavailable.Now if trading is allowed between all Gen I and II games, but we're still not using glitches, the number of Gen II Pokémon available pre-League potentially becomes 90/100. And if we count Mt. Silver as a Johto location, we can still say Misdreavus, Larvitar, Pupitar, and Tyranitar are Johto Pokémon. The only Gen II Pokémon truly "exclusive to Kanto" are Murkrow, Slugma, Magcargo, Houndour, and Houndoom. Even though an Up-Grade can only be obtained in Kanto, Porygon2 is a trade evolution and therefore has no native region.But if we're counting Gen I Pokémon, players can obtain more than 210 Pokémon pre-League in Gen II with trading compared to 149 in Gen I with trading.
>>727739504You have autism.
it's insane how almost all the gen 2 criticism only applies if you try to view the games as if they're like every other pokemon generation, which they clearly aren't if you've even tried playing them
>>727743257yeah gen 2 is dogshit because they tried to stuff 2 half-baked regions into one shitty package, i agree
>>727742610now remove swarms, day night encounters, shit like obtaining a metal coat for scyther
>>727738878Johto dex is awful in its distribution and type variety.Of the five dark type lines: houndoom, murkrow, tyranitar, sneasel and umbreon... only umbreon is technically accessible in johtoThe new dark type... is practically exclusively post game in it's debutThe new steel type is just barely better.Skarmory is not in gold at all and only after gym 8 with zero trainer rep in the entire game. It's distribution is so poor, most players mistake it for being a Gen 3 Pokemon.Steelix and Scizor are trade evos blocked until Kanto unless you knew to use thief on Magnemites.Forretress is not steel until evolution and hidden behind headbutting trees exclusively.Magnemite is the only feasible steel type to get in a playthrough, and it's a rehash from Kanto with the new type.The only 2 new fighting types are Heracross, which is behind Headbutt trees, and Hitmontop, only available after the 8th gym with a convoluted evolution methodFire types are also pretty bad. The 2 new lines, Houndour and Slumga, are both postgame exclusive. The Fire stone which can be used to evolved Growlithe/Vulpix/Eevee is locked to the postgame. Ponyta is only available after the 8th gym.
vpedos don’t let you discuss johto critically btw that’s why these fags always end up here
>>727743398Hardly changes anything>>727743457>another post complaining about gym leaders using kanto mons
>>727739504Neck yourself.
>>727738878>Gay and retarded generation war troll thread #910789709750971 but now about pokemon gens and actual gensFuck off
>>727738878no evs no natures no abilities8 bit graphics and musicno reason to play over hgss except for seeing how the original was like
>>727743870>>727743016not an argument>>727743815>wasting 2 hours to get a shitmon like dunsparce doesn't matter>wasting to farm magnemites for an item doesn't matternope
sabrina is best girl and that's all that matters.
>>727738878YouTube told them to.
>>727742104>Game is set in Osaka>None of the characters have a southern accentGame freak dropped the ball so fucking hard when it came to world building in Gen2.
AHEM. Try instead:Polished CrystalSeaglassPrismAmbrosiaMuch better than baseline gen 2
Whenever anyone complains about johto not using enough "johto pokemon", I immediately dismiss their opinion, because they were considered new pokemon to the overall series, and not pokemon made specifically for johto, it's so fucking annoying when retards aren't able to comprehend this
>>727744421>t-they're new pokemon! >they're all in the shitty version of the old region and 30 levels under you>i-it's ok morty doesn't use misdreavus, you're supposed to fight the gastly line for the 40th time you fucking chud!johto copers are so fucking retarded lol. these games are dogshit
>>72774416210yo me couldn't handle it she's perfect and still is
Bad level curve, bad Pokémon distribution, bad gym leader teams… best thing about the Johto games is leaving Johto
>>727744421On the one hand, you're correct.On the other hand, Gen 1 was great at enhancing the mystique of a Pokemon by showing it to you as an enemy before you could nab it for yourself. Gen 2 not only doesn't let you see a lot of its best new faces as enemies before you can catch them, it makes you go far out of your way to even use them against anyone other than your friends in real life. It's not about them being "Johto Pokemon" and thus needing to be featured in Johto, it's about them being exciting new Pokemon whose only fucking trait is being new and rare.tl;dr: Onix was shit but at least had hype, Delibird is just shit, this is what people are complaining about with the "Johto Pokemon" thing
>>727744954The hype had more to do with watching the show than the pokemon
>>727743934>nooooo I need to have every single pokemon easily accessibleYou are why pokemon is so lame nowdays
>>727745171>NOOO i need to have kanto shilling shoved down my throat!johtoniggers are literally responsible for the downfall of pokemon, do different from gens6+
>>727744634>they're allYou could get most of the new pokemon before kanto shitposter-kun >>727742610
>>727745240>an explicit sequel is shillingYou lost your mind now
>can't watch ad to revive fainted pokemonNot gonna play it unc
>>727744914yea but it has the best spritework in the whole series
ReminderBlack/White 2 are set in unova again and use all the same pokemon>WOW 10/10 GAME Gold and Silver use many of the same pokemon from gen 1 to bridge continuity but is actually set in a new region and introduces 100 new pokemon>muh shit rehash gameAnti-gen 2fag logic
Gen zoroark
The simple reason is that Zoomers cant count past 8. Look at every person in this thread trying to convince you that fights such as the final gym leader Blue and the final Rival fight at the indigo plateau are somehow postgame.
>>727745380>BW2 is a sequel, so is GSC, you should evaluate them the sameCome on now, that's dangerously close to Yawnfag-tier mental gymnastics. I love Johto, I don't have to pretend it's as well designed a gameplay area as Kanto, its strengths lie in other places.
>>727744954This is actually a good argument, I agree with you on that, but most people end up just devolving into shit flinging "MUH MURKROW IN KANTO" and ignoring how gen 2 is supposed to be a sequel, and not a traditional pokemon generation that we know nowadays
>>727746113Gameplay wise its still well designed. Plenty of things to see or do and isn't overly railroaded
>>727741714The pokewalker offended 4channers
>>727746354I agree that there's a lot to do but I'd argue a lot of it is enriching less from a raw gameplay value perspective and more in terms of flavor and atmosphere. FANTASTIC atmosphere though, so not a loss, just a trade.I've never cared much about linearity or "railroading" in Pokemon, honestly. The room I want to maneuver is in my party, becoming able to visit new places is kinda secondary to getting new party member candidates. Thankfully, even the most linear regions will only be so bad with distribution that I've got NO room for expression within the party for the first gym or so.
>>727738878They are excellent Pokemon games, but the amount of grinding required in them stop them from being flawless.
>>727738878cuz its uncslop
>>727744298Using a southern accent for osakans isn't really fitting
>>727744162Oh no she's hypnotised me and I'm a shota oh no I can't stop her doing what she wants to me nooooo
>>727738878a combination of some millennials telling them it was the worst one because they're 'free thinkers' and 'go against the grain' when it comes to opinions and 99% of them not growing up with it because they either were too young or weren't born yet, the only zoomers who played gen 2 back in the day were ones with older siblings who had it it's not my favourite gen, but people who bitch about the issues blow they way out of proportion, there are still a good amount of new pokemon to get that aren't bad fairly early if you know where to look, and the level scaling issue becomes less of a problem when you remember that old leve lup movesets suck ass and the vast majority of npc's don't have pokemon with tm's t. elder zoomer
>>727738878its literally just because a gay baldie who cheats in nuzlockes told them to
>>727738878Zoomtubers hate it because it's difficult to nuzlock. That's literally it.
>>727743934>not an argumentIt literally is. Your autism prevents you from thinking like a normal person which makes your opinions completely invalid.
>>727739504its so funny that newfags piss and shit about gen 2 because its not just gen 1 reskinned with some tweaks and instead is trying to build off the previous gen
>>727745648 Exactly. These kids grew up on games where everything is highlighted, quest-markered, and narrated with cutscenes every five steps. They see *any* event late in the game and think it’s some optional side crap. Imagine looking at Blue as Champion-the culmination of your rivalry since Pallet Town-and thinking "eh probably postgame filler lmao". It’s insane. Zoomers treat anything that doesn’t shout “FINAL BOSS” at them with a big glowing arrow as skippable.
>>727740069>two new types>breeding>roaming legendaries>new pokeball types>day/night cycle>cool connections to r/b (silver, kanto)>battle against red was hype as fuck
