gameplay fun, simple as

>>727758751
Thats not enough to warrant those excessive hours. Its not like theres depth to it like dota 2 or a comp game..

>>727758912
What if there is? I mean something has to explain the hours, and the gameplay in VT2 is great.

>when you quite fucking literally perfect the L4D gameplay loop
V2 will still be played in 20 years. They still won't have dedicated servers, however.

>>727758705
>first person
Dropped.
>thread
Sadkge killed.

>>727759013
I played the church map today, my whole team was downed and I was playing the tank dwarf guy and I cleaved my way through enemies and enemies 180 sniped a warlock dude and managed to rez everyone.
Made me feel like a true stone solid impenetrable mountain dwarf man.
Just wanted you to know this

It's a really fun game to play, what else do you need?
It also helps that Darktide is a buggy mess that performs worse and worse with every update and is clearly the work of obligation rather than their passion project that is VT2

>>727758964
Explain how theres depth to this game rivaling a comp game lmfao

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>>727758912
That's not for you to decide

>>727759109
Lots of games are fun, but you dont see alot of niggers with 6k hours in those games. The only time when you see that is with lifetime games like csgo dota 2 or rimworld.
This is just a horde shooter melee game

THESE STAIRS GO UP!

>>727759157
You seem mentally ill, touch grass

>>727759319
au contraire.
inability to grasp why others enjoy things is a genuine symptom of autism

>>727758912
The irony of using dota 2 as an example when 99% of the playerbase are 90IQ retards that will spend their 10k hours of playtime in the kiddy pool.

>>727759215
Post your most-played top 5 w/ the numbers for them.

>>727759334
Bro you have thousands of hours in a whack a rat style of game. You need professional help. The gameplay isn't complex enough and lacks depth to warrant your playtime.

>>727759385
Hunt showdown, sf6, rimworld, rocket league, elden ring

>>727759445
You forget the numbers

>>727759397
No, he's right. You are retarded and probably mentally ill.
How are you incapable of comprehending the idea of a game becoming an activity that you do with friends, and no longer just 'experience the content then move on'?
You can't comprehend that, because you are abnormal in the head. Game can morph into activities in the right conditions, and we see it all the time. Vermintide has the conditions that are right for some people to jump in and have fun with their friend group or randoms any time.

There is further evidence of your mental illness, which is the fact (fact) that you have become legitimately upset that somebody else has spent their leisure time in a way you don't understand.

You are the one who needs help, actually. You should talk to someone and figure out what your issues are and work on them.

>>727758705
A great powertrip where the gigantic horde can actually hit back

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>>727758705
>The devs intended 80-120 hours of playtime at the most
Eh not really, if you are a completionist then the hour count can easily reach 1000.
Why? 50++ maps, 16 different classes, 100+ weapons to collect, a fucking boatload of cosmetics to earn, a hundred different hidden mechanics that require insane dedication to master, and easily the most indepth and well made melee combat of any coop game ever made.
The AI Director of Vermintide in particular is as good, if not better, than the L4D one.
The sheer amount of enemy types and the way they move\play around the maps means the missions will play very very rarely, and outside scripted spawns, the exact same.
Vermintide 2 is, to this day, an excellent proof of how a devteam with a lot of passion and freedom can make a brilliant game still being played AND regularly updated with new, free content, almost 10 years later.
Ratclick is generously en route to become the new Payday 2.
If anything the continued existence of this game is basically the sole reason why Darktide still sucks massive fucking dicks.
It is clear as crystal that Fatshark was pretty much contractually obligated by both geedubs and Tencent to make a 40k variant of the game.
And yet they fumbled everything, because of course the chinks wanted a live service GaaS slop shit with 10 times the cosmetics than the content.
Fuck me dead, I hate that game with the force of a thousand suns, because it could've been so fucking good and yet it isn't, and it won't be in 5 years nor in a decade.
I think if Chivalry was not handled by literal retards, and if they actually listened to the community and made the fanmade horde mode actually supported by default, the game could easily still be a prince among the fps melee kings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l370U6-SkwE

>>727759580
Why are you so afraid to call out mental illness for what it is? Why are you self deflecting?
If someone had 5000 hours in batman arkham city, or vampire survivors we would likely call them abnormal at the very least.. and by we i mean most people.
Vermintide is no different. The other anon is doing the same basic rote gameplay tasks for 4000 hours or so, long after it has worn out its novelty and theres no depth left he is in fact mentally ill by default.
Just because you can play it with friends does not change the fact that he played though the entire game and did everything ages ago.

>>727758705
>"Kill those black bastards!"
woah there kruber

>>727759397
>The gameplay isn't complex enough and lacks depth to warrant your playtime.
You are clueless.
Just learning the moveset and the combos of every weapon will take 100 hours per class.

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>sperg having a melty
postan

>>727759013
>They still won't have dedicated servers, however.
good, that means it can be played for another 20 more

>>727759805
>The other anon is doing the same basic rote gameplay tasks for 4000 hours or so
You can extend that to pretty much every game

>>727759805
You're projecting. May as well complain about basketball and the people who shoot hoops every day.
>waaahh waaaah its so repetitive! how can you shoot hoops with your friends every day?!? there is max 40 hours of content here?! what is wrong with you people!
That is what you sound exactly like.
It's a group activity that is fun with friends and obviously has enough replayability that it attracts a certain % of people into long playtimes. I'm not one of those people, but I can comprehend it easily, because I am rational and not mentally ill and obsessed like you.

You should stop crying about it. I know you won't, but you should.

>>727759035
you can play in third person in the modded realm, you just wont get any real progress like levels or drops
it feels awful ofc

>won't screencap his own playtime
Having Rocket League in your top 5 of playtime alone was enough verification, but it's still funny.

I'm reinstalling now but I only put 5 hours into it more than a year ago. Anything I should know? I don't think I have any DLC

>>727758705
It is by far the best game in an extremely underserved niche. Like literally nobody else is making games like Vermintide or Darktide. The closest you get is L4D games, and those are super rare, too. Horde melee action games in first person are fun, the loot is varied enough to be interesting and hard enough to obtain to be satisfying, and the Tide games have a lot of content now.

Vermintide 1 is better than either game Fatshark has made since then, but it's not hard to see why people keep playing them. Nobody else is even attempting to challenge them. If they ever make a true 40K variant that isn't nobodies fighting fodder, they'll make bank. You don't even have to make it Space Marines, although that would be easiest and highest recognition. You could do Tau or Eldar and still carve out another market chunk.

>>727759308
>they actually ruined the joke

>>727759397
I hope you're baiting for (you)s

>>727760003
>Anything I should know?
dodging > blocking

>>727759906
No retard, you literally can't.
Dota 2 is being constantly updated with new mechanics and heroes, and the playing against players offers a billion times more varied and strategic approaches to games. Its a different animal. Tide 2 is the same ratclick game at 4000 hours as it was at your 100 hour mark.

i'm actually playing as we speak. i'm 3 quarters of a bottle of wine deep and i'm listening to michael jackson. i have 206 hours. its fun.

>>727760035
oh no, its an addicted mobafag. everyone just ignore him. he's a danger to himself and others.

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>getting mad that people really like something you don't like that much
quintessential autism

>>727759013
The only thing I disagree with is that L4D versus is much, much better than V2’s.
For purely PvE though V2 clears

>>727760003
You can still quickplay into a game where the host owns the DLC and play the levels. I don't think you can unlock achievements from those DLCs but it's still nice being able to play the maps.
Have dedicated keys for Dodge and Jump. Having them on the same key is a detriment. Sometimes you want to jump backwards, simple as.
Learning the maps is smart but don't expect people to wait for you. If you want to explore and gaze then do a private match on the lowest difficulty.

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>>727760020
>literally nobody else is making games like Vermintide or Darktide
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1869500/DAIMON_BLADES/
this came out some months ago
it's fun but it's also very very janky, the balance gets fucked really fast and the game becomes a musou-like, and the lore\writing\text is as schizophrenic as you may expect from the people that made E.Y.E.
the melee combat is ok but a bit shallow, and the performance is abysmal
it'll be good in 5 years or so

>>727760003
Kruber Merc the first class is a good starter. The hallberd can be tricky at the start

>>727759910
>sport against a team of living breathing competent human beings in the real world with real physics
>left click whack a rat game
You are mentally ill

>>727760035
>you think the game is still fun after 4000 hours?
>I've decided I'm going to take that personally
confirmed retard
if you have a job its probably some menial labor shit like stocking shelves, there is no way you are high functioning

>>727760038
red or white wine, anon?
this is very important.

>>727758705
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T HECKING PLAY THAT LONG
>YOU NEEEED TO BUY A NEW GAME TO PLAY!!

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I own both darktide and vermintide, have about equal amount of hours in both which is 40 hours. Which should i reinstall? havent played either in years.

>>727760003
Get used to playing on Champion at the minimum, don't train yourself on Veteran.
Chaos Wastes don't use the gear you bring with you, so it's a good place to level/get shit and learn.

>>727760280
vermintide
darktide is hopeless

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>>727758705
melee combat is that satisfying

I got bored of it after 700 hours, got my money's worth. And there is plenty of depth, maybe not 5k hours worth of it but there is.

>>727760294
Seek help, and i mean that in the kindest way possible
I feel for you

>>727760280
Darktide is still shite, go have fun in vermintde

>>727760294
greathammer for slayer or always great axe? The heavies of the later feel like they barely cleave

>>727759445
>SF6
lol
lmao even

>>727759397
>The gameplay isn't complex enough and lacks depth to warrant your playtime.
recruit players be like

>>727760345
why? game is 7+ year old at this point
>>727760373
>greathammer for slayer or always great axe?
it legend you can easily get away with 2 handed axe as long as you utilize your dodge, push attacks and occasional
>GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMNIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRR
Cata is harder to pull off, carrying both 2handed hammer and 2 handed is probably the safest combo
my favorite loadout is 2 handed axe + throwing axe on Slayer

>>727760529
eh ok I'll keep spamming the greataxe. I just don't wanna give up on the skullsplitter talent

>>727760280
Darktide has much better shooting and more build variety (as if that even matters) but everything else is significantly worse.

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>no
>you are NOT allowed to really like a particular video game
>because >I< say so

Do you know how ridiculous you sound you little sperg?

>>727760190
cab sav is the only type i buy

>>727759157
I will never forgive Darktide for having incredibly bland blank(ish) slate nobodies for its characters
It should have been 40K versions of the Ubersreik 4 or 5 doesn't matter and everyone knows it

do you need friends to play this

>>727760716
i still like the vermintide characters more, but its silly to say they're bland in darktide. they have personalities, they're just tied to voices and they don't have official names. the banter in darktide is not bad at all. and there's many, many different lines.

>>727760754
nope, other than random people there are also bots which are half-decent but you need to level and gear them up yourself (they use your characters as template)

>>727758912
>>727759145
you pvp heads are so insufferable
no one cares that you can't enjoy something unless you're killing or trolling someone, you psycho tard

you are brown, so you can't fix that, but you can go take your meds

>>727760754
you haven't needed friends to play a multiplayer game in a very long time. unless its actual friendslop like phasmophobia or whatever flavour of the month it is atm. but those are different.

>>727760754
Nope. I played it by myself like a loser

>>727760821
nta
but the recent Hive Scum are the graham crackers of voice acting and writing

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>>727758912
>Its not like theres depth to it like dota 2 or a comp game..

>>727760754
no you can play with randos and it's not like deep shit galactic where you are bound to a particular class's whims. Hell I found some cool randos on cata

>>727759108
That’s why despite Fatshart being shit most of the time their games still manage to get an audience. They’ve just perfected thematic power fantasies like no other.

>>727760847
Lmfao ok kiddo.
Pvp is for the white man, playing against a human will always be more stimulating than dumb ai

>>727760939
you are very and I mean, extremely mentally ill and you will be in prison soon

>>727760939
>Pvp is for the white man
Is that why dota is full of ruskis and brownoids?

>>727760939
you sound like you got filtered very hard out of real life sports, and that you don't actually enjoy videogames at all. did the football chads hurt your feelings?

>>727758705
The challenges to unlock cosmetics take a while

>it's another episode where people give (you)s to obvious baits

>>727761153
You can't compete in video games so you self deflect got it autist.

>>727758705
>Maps in ratclick are fun and varied
>Maps ind dorktide are boring and samey
What did Fatshark mean by this?

>>727760939
>pvp is for the white man
>every pvp game is filled with thirdies

>>727760280
Darktide for music and atmosphere, vermintide for quips charichter and polish

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>>727760003
1) If the choice is between dealing damage and avoiding it, always avoid it if nothing is at stake.
2) Learn the weapon combos. Some are as easy as light = sweep/heavy = strike, but most have combos you can chain for maximum horde clear or single target damage, and push attacks can help change up the flow
3) + critical/headshot damage is a gigantic noob trap, never take it. It sounds like it will boost the damage by however many %, but in reality it's boosting the BONUS, which is miniscule
4) Try to avoid Ironbreaker when you're learning, since his ability to face tank the odd hit will give you bad habits when you switch to a different character
5) Move to Champion as soon as you can, since recruit and veteran will likewise teach you horrendous habits

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BLACK ONES

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>>727761465

>>727761349
Some of it is Fatshark being lazy but some of it is a flaw of 40k as a setting. So much of the aesthetic is about being as grandiose and gothic as possible. Unfortunately it’s so big that narratively you can travel across an entire continent and still be in the same fucking city.
No spooky castles, dwarf holds, or fields of wheat like Vermintide. The setting is just antithetical to that kind of variety.

>>727761689
Exactly this. Vermintide is a colorful medieval sprawl while Darktide is bland industrial cathedral PIPE FACTORY called infrastructure. Also we have pointed arches. Goths love pointed arches.

warhammer is for mentally ill people I see. Sad, wish it was for nerds.

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>>727758705
Fatshark really nailed something with skavens, they are hilarious to fight against. Not a fan of the new classes besides Grail Knight.

>>727761902
>hmm
>these number-readings seem wrong-bad.
What is he doing?

>>727761689
You can justify pretty much anything in a hive city, given all the shit that goes on which nobody knows about. Some magos or stupidly rich noble might decide to clear a space to grow a forest for absolutely no reason, or a knightly house might have representative that's turned their spot of land into a feudal larp session.
It's probably a combo of fatshark being lazy and GW being cunts that prevent maps from being more than pipecore with the odd cathedral

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"A kiss of contagion, on your cheek; generous gifts to you, enhance your physique!"

"Nibble the finger, and take the cream!"

"Your belly will swell"

"Filth, rot and pus; in your blood and in your guts!"

"SWIRLING WINDS!"

"SUCCULENT VITALITY!"

>>727758705
Dark tide is superior in every way, much more masculine in general and much more gritty environments. The more I lurk this board the more I realize you guys truly are no pussy getting dungeon and dragons tier faggots. I disregard all opinions stated on this board because they are 99% of the time stated by some fat little no pussy gettn retard basement dwelling orc that hasn’t touched grass since the millenia. Dark tide is far better you fucking faggot

>>727762071
>me and the boys in line at the chinese buffet (they charged us the healthy tax)

>>727762071
STOOOOOOOOOORMY WEATHER

*inhales*

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>>727762071
>I'm putting together a team

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>>727761968
wondering why driller keeps using C4 on the scout

>>727761778
40k is the optimal setting for a tabletop wargame where the goal is to create a cool backdrop for overpriced plastic space men to fight. It’s literally perfect for it because it’s a setting where nothing that happens actually matters
That’s why Fantasy is better. A Tyranid fleet could consume a hundred worlds and it doesn’t change anything. On the other hand I know why Khazrak running around the Reikwald is bad because it’s right in the heart of the Empire and just a river crossing away from Altdorf.

>>727762071
BLOOPITY BLOP
LARGE EXCREMENT PLOP FROM THE SKY
RIGHT INTO YOUR BROTH AND PIE

>>727759906
Yes. Not a single game in existence is worth playing for 1000 hours or more.

>>727762420
AAAAHHHHHH, SAVE ME BARDIN!

>>727762420
turning elfs into spooky alien fucks was one of the more interesting and unique things about fantasy warhammer

anyone wanna play together? give me your discord

>>727762071
>this how peak male physique looks like

>>727762612
She's the only one who has these eyes. The rest of the elves in the setting have normal human eyes with the exception of few magical characters like Ariel who's quite literally a Goddess so she gets a pass on the glowing eyes bit.

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Darktide really did a number on the company

>>727761925
Nerds are mentally ill.

>>727763016
They should just move onto making Vermintide 3 or AoStide already.

Extreme autists like coop games like that.
I have exactly 98 hours in VT2 and I really don't wanna go back.
A little bit ashamed to say that I have 200 in darktide though, which is far more repetitive

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>>727763040
about that...
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/action/dont-expect-vermintide-3-any-time-soon-as-fatshark-plans-to-keep-supporting-the-existing-game-vermintide-will-keep-on-going/

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>>727758705
It's one of the best games ever made.

>>727763159
Well Fatshark aren't known for making good choices. After all, they made Darktide.

Kind of wish they expanded Vermintide into an open world game similar to Planetside or something.

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>>727762898
they have normal eyes in later editions, 4th ed had black eyes

>>727762612
Whole setting peaked around 5th edition in vibes.
>>727762898
Earlier on in Warhammer black eyes were way more common among elves in the artwork.

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>>727758705
Like someone else has probably already said in this general, Tide games are a very specific niche that no other games really succeed at filling. The combat loop you go through is fun while having plenty depth, but it doesn't get autistic about the depth to its detriment like Mordhau does. There are some other games that try to fill the same niche but they don't nail the formula the way Tide games do.

The battle trance I enter during clutch moments at higher difficulties is not like anything I've experienced in other games, it's like crack and the closest I ever came to that was Mass Effect 3 multiplayer back in the day. The "feeling" of Vermintide is also appealing enough especially because of the voice acting, it's the closest thing you'll find in a modern game that feels like you're going on comfy fantasy adventures. Pair that with the gameplay and it keeps the game very replayable over the years.

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>>727761464
Actual solid advice

Anyone for a cata Chaos Waste

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I burned out during Chaos Wastes

>>727763635
And of course, there's enough content that if you just pick your maps/modes randomly it'll take a long time for it to start feeling stale. There's like 30-35 unique maps that can all have different modifiers due to deeds and events, and that's before you even get into things like Weaves (ew) and Chaos Wastes.
The game will start feeling stale eventually of course, it's impossible to escape that. But I still feel the pull to come back to it after only weeks of not playing it. Hence the 1500 hours.

Stamina != Dodge/Evade Count
Stamina (those shields when you block) is ONLY FOR BLOCKING.
Each weapon has a set number of evades/dodges, you can test this in the keep. Most weapons have 3 before your it gets HEAVILY retarded, basically down to a side-step instead of a full blown dodge/evade.

>>727763917
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1652856346&searchtext=dodge

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>>727760821
The main issue is that they have personalities but no character as a foundation, which makes all their banter nothing but surface level talk. The VA work is still good for what it is, but you never get stuff like Kerillian trying not to laugh at Kruber's attempt at a honhon accent. The equivalent of the loner calling out the agitator for fraking high gothic just doesn't have the same feel.
Also, the enemies don't have the personality the vermintide enemies do. Fighting a horde feels like you're fighting an enemy character, while darktide hordes are just fodder outside the times poxwalkers beg you to kill them. That's not getting into the absolutely pants on head retarded idea that was
>RAAAAAAARGH. UAAAARRRGH! AAAAAAAAAARGH

>>727760821
It's weird to criticize darktide for this when their "blank" characters have more personality than most of what modern videogame industry produces
>but it's not as good as vermintide
yeah, so? still very fun

>>727764054
making the playable characters into expendable rejects was a mistake, I'd have to agree. even after you earn your place and some of the npcs start to respect you things don't change that much.

>>727758912
Youve never played on Legend difficulty. Two hits and you're dead.
Then there is Cataclysm where, if an enemy touches a hair on your head you're internally combusting. The skill curve is endless. And to keep up your skill you need to play regularly. I still get REKT 100% of the time in Legend if I haven't warmed up at least a week straight.
VT is a Chad game with Sovl.

>>727758705
My machine doesn't run it so its shit

>>727764429
is your machine from the George W Bush era?

>>727759804
Mordhau has that.

>>727764160
If I had to guess, going by the characters GW pushed in recent years, they had to make the choice between getting forced by GW into writing a shitty cast or sidestepping it with create a character.

>>727759804
Mordhau had a horde mode. It's pretty good, especially since the Demon Invasion update.
The Grad horde mode looks pretty similar to what you posted actually.

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>>727763917
>Stamina (those shields when you block) is ONLY FOR BLOCKING.
False, it's also for pushing and push attacking. Saltzpyre's billhook special attack also uses stamina.

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>>727759847
Same vibe.

>>727764445
I have a r5-3500 with integrated gpu.

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>>727764495
>>727764548
>gay ass game marketed as chivalry but without the matrix bullshit (that eventually ended up having bullshit anyway) has a horde mode
Not interested, sorry.

Why can't they just do a full WFB FPS with the same mechanics. I wanna fight some orcs.

>>727764673
there's nothing in the world I hate more than fucking timed blocks

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>>727758912
>pvp-brained retard that doesn't understand why people enjoy coop/singleplayer games #2043950014

>>727764507
they didn't dodge the shit cast, the ship is full of girlbosses taking turns shitting on the rejects, the only reasons why no one raises a stink about this is because it's accepted in the grimdarkness of the future everyone is a miserable cunt

>>727764673
>2000 players
when was this? 10 years ago?
the game struggles to reach 500 nowadays
and it's all comp sweats that wil feint chamber every attack like in that webm

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GET IN MY BELLY

>>727764858
>my body is a machine that turns ale into unforgivable grievances that warrant death

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>>727764495
Mordhau is pretty good and a legit successor to chiv, only problem with it is the company that neglected the game.
Even if you think the combat sucks, you can just make a costume and larp around, it's was really fun.
I really miss Mordhau.

>darktide still doesn't even have solo with bots
are fatshark incompetent and can't figure out how to add it?

>>727759804
I agree that VT2 is one of those few games where you can see the devs really loved the game and put tons of effort and soul into it. Hence I'll share a fun little factoid:
- Since Darktide released, DT has had a team of ~80 devs working on it, whereas VT2 was left with skeleton team of 5 veterans who REALLY wanted to keep working on it
- After DT release Vermintide team has released MORE new maps than Darktide team
- VT2 has seasonal events whereas Darktide still does not years after release
I love VT2 simply for the fact that they prove you cant buy passion with money. Their nonexistent team of hardcore enthusiasts pushes out more content than a dev team almost 15x their size just because they love working on it.

>>727764507
Seems more likely what happened was once Dan Abnett was done doing the basic NPC backstories, setting outline and such, he moved back onto Horus Heresy before he even wrote any actual playable characters.
Then the Black Library writers who moved in to write the story going forward all had their own personal ideas for OC's and what characters would be cool to play personality wise without being able to agree on what should actually be chosen. And thus Fatshark went forward with CAC

>>727764934
No way more than 4 people work on DT

>>727764737
>hate timed blocks
If you think about it as ping-pong with swords you'll like it better.

>>727764934
VT1 had more soul than VT2 but carry on

>>727764934
Funniest thing about Darktide's development will always be that one dev who responded to the news that some of the Vermintide devs who got moved to Darktide to help get the game into a stable state would be going back to V2 with "It's like going home."

>>727760939
cs and league are THE third-worlder games

I have 900 hours in vermintide
To put that into perspective I have l4d2 at 670 hours, 2000 in total Warhammer II/III and 1200 in DMC 4(I'm serious)

>>727764934
>I love my heckin' veteran team
>delays a weapon pack FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR

>>727764985
Ever played Mountain Blade? It has directional blocking you can hold all you want. The combat still has insane depth with feints, chambers, holding attacks, kicking etc.

>>727765081
Asian and Europoor games.

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>>727758705
hi v2 community manager.
we wont tell you what we like in v2 because every time we did you ruined it on the next patch just for us to buy into your darktide crap.

with respect,
kill yourself in a suicide bombing of fatshark studio.
your vermintide community.

>>727765212
>implying this shitheap is worth a cm's time

>>727765186
cs is ruskis, league is BRs and other assorted spics

>>727765124
>>delays a weapon pack FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR
Resulting in them also putting out more content in a year than Darktide did without charging a single dabloon.

>>727765246
I wonder if there is a white competitive online game.

>>727765054
I agree, VT1 holds a special place in my heart. And this is from someone who had 200+ hours in VT2 before wanting more and getting into VT1. The fact is it holds too many soulful things (like bows being non-AP so you need mild modicum of skill to be effective ie being able to go for headshots, ambushes requiring bunkering down instead of being free THP and red items having unique traits)

>>727765063
Yeah, even they admit most of the people dont work with Darktide as a passion project which is a shame and that shows. DT isnt bad-bad as enemyclicker game, its just that it'd be a ton better if the team was more invested in it.

>>727765124
>WHY ARENT THERE MORE SKINS? WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO WITH NEW MAPS?! THIS GAME IS SHITTTT!!!1
Literal consoomerbrain, not worth responding to any further.

vermintide...kino..

>>727765337
maps aren't genuine content. It's the same weapons, they also decided in their ungoldy wisdom to nerf the bounter hunter claiming the 80% ult refund on double headshot was a "bug"

>>727765510
>weapons aka new gameplay are just skins
kek

>>727765452
Would you look at them! No worries about the future, meta or engagement. Just two honest Reiklanders living in the present without a worry in the world!

>>727765586
Wrong. They are thinking about those cheese wheels.

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>Maps aren't genuine content.

this + dark tide are the ultimate slop addiction loop and retards get addicted

>>727765386
yeah it's called the stock market

>>727765756
give me a game you consider devoid of loop and addiction

>>727758705
WP + Greathammer + L1L2H3 = Dopamine

>>727765972
>Maelstrom, MAELSTROM! Blight, blight, blight!

>>727759397
The game has been out for a very long time

CUM POTION, GIVE ME VIGOR

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Darktide is better.

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THP might have a fair amount of flaws but I still prefer it over toughness which is just THP with jumping through hoops for the majority of the time and that it regenerates out of combat.

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>>727758912
>Its not like theres depth to it like dota 2 or a comp game..

>>727764934
I get that you love VT and I prefer it over Darkturd but come on now. Since its release Darkturd's regular patches that bring balance changes have also added
>a complete reinvention of the classes and their skill trees in the Carnival update, followed by a half dozen minor reworks over the next 2 years
>9 new maps (as well as reworking several release maps to be less shit)
>2 crafting and itemization reworks which ended the Shopclick curse
>mission modifiers to add variety (maelstrom, lights out, pox gas, ventilation purge, scab-only, sniper gauntlets, flame mode, walking giants, etc)
>progression/achievement system with cosmetic rewards
>new weapon families for pre-existing classes, such as pickaxes, force greatswords, heavy stubbers, power falchions, shock mauls, bolt pistols, relic blades, and probably more
>new marks for existing weapon families, as well as constantly reworking existing weapons to keep up with the gradually introduced power creep
>party finder, mortis trails wave defense mode, havoc mode with its own modifiers for masochists
>a campaign mode that makes the missions actually have an order and story structure
>2 new playable characters added (arbitrator, hive scum) with their own weaponry and abilities
>reworking existing enemies while adding new enemy types (plasma gunner, tox bomber, moebian 21st)
>a new player voice for ogryn
And probably more stuff I cannot remember. The main problem with Darkturd's updates is that so much effort is wasted on fixing or arbitrarily changing existing things, and not enough of actually bringing new things. In that same span of time VT has released
>a new subclass for Sienna
>versus mode
>8 new maps, 4 of which are remasters of existing maps
>some new frames
which is nice, but makes it very clear that VT is in legacy support mode. There's been like 1 balance patch and no weapons added in the last 4 years. What's your basis for saying VT gets 15x more dev attention?

>>727766521
Toughness' problem is that it turns everyone into a mini ironbreaker who can always tank a minor hit, contrasting with THP being there to offer a lifeline once you've already fucked up.
It doesn't help that toughness regeneration/damage resistance is so common in darktide, meaning face tanking is far more effective.

>>727759804
>and easily the most indepth and well made melee combat
>of any coop game ever made.
Lmao
Hey, didn't they fuck the game balance with the dlc? I remember some whining about it

>>727766521
Toughness was introduced because Fatshark loves the idea of a lone skavenslave/poxwalker spawning into existence right behind you and backstabbing you, but they don't love the part where it takes half your health on higher difficulties. Toughness is just a form of temp HP that lets them have their cake and eat it too, teach you to mind your surroundings but without being immediately so punishing.

>>727766515
Said nobody.

>>727766792
>have their cake and eat it too
EAT THEIR CAKE AND HAVE IT TOO
YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO
YOU CANNOT EAT YOUR CAKE AND HAVE IT TOO
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

>>727762205
that's probably the part of the operation a skaven would understand most

game is fun and all but fucking christ switching potions or to gun on the fly is horrendous

>>727766683
>took them two years to begrudgingly remove the weapon locks

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>doing a solo legend run on all classes
>finished act 1
>mfw will never have to do convocation of decay or hunger in the dark again
feels good man
>b-but what about cata
shut up

>>727767068
Convocation sucks balls, but Hunger in the dark is a great map, what are you smoking?

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>>727767157
>but Hunger in the dark is a great map

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>legend is too mild
>cataclysm is too spongy
if they made a difficulty with the spawns and enemy attack speed of cataclysm with the health of legend the game would be genuinely perfect

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>>727767194

>>727767234
you can sometimes get deeds/events that let you play on legend but with frenzied enemies or increased horde spawns, but not often
but yeah the game needs an optinal hi-intensity modifier

>>727766174
>that's right, leave the dwarf behind...

>>727767284
twitchmode+deeds on legend is great, too bad that barely anyone plays it and no one joins when I host it

>>727759445
This is literally the most normalnigger list I've ever seen, blud just discovered vidya for the first time ever in 2019 alongside his indian brothers kek. Might as well have put fortnite, pubg and shart raiders on there too labubu unc fr

>>727767410
why don't you like cata, plenty of weapons to deal with the horde

>>727767474
HP bloat is annoying.

>>727758705
>The devs intended 80-120 hours of playtime at the most
I seriously doubt you're even going to git gud to the point of being able to play the hardest difficulty in such a short amount of time, let alone with some of the special modifiers that are also available.

>>727758705
GIVE ME AN 80% DISCOUNT ON WINDS OF MAGIC AND MY MONEY WILL BE YOURS

>>727767827
5 dollars on keysites

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I'm trying to get into this game but I can't get it. It's so repetitive. Well very similar to L4D2 if you think about it. Never liked that game either.

>>727767919
you're not into glorious melee

>>727767708
NTA, but I got the shade gilded/dark outfit just after 55 hours of gameplay.
Outside of cataclysm, all you need to do to beat legendary is to learn what your role is on the team, what items benefit your teammates the most, what your main objective as X character is and the spawn placements for the levels. That and learning to cooperate with a team of randoms without any kind of communication.
It's a really fun game, but legendary isn't really hard. That's why cataclysm exists.

>>727758705
It's Warhammer Fantasy, probably the best high fantasy setting there is. That alone will pump the numbers.

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>>727767570
wait until you get seasonal event too

>>727768268
Well yeah, cata is the hardest difficulty and on top of that I remember the game having weekly challenges with extra hard modifiers, plus IIRC it had deeds or whatever they were called which had extra modifiers too.

>>727768268
Legend is plenty difficult. When you're at the point where you don't consider Legend difficult, you're like a basketballer saying that a dunk isn't hard to pull off.

>>727767919
At first I thought I hated it, but when I started playing on legend it became a lot more fun. Difficulty means a lot.

the "onboarding" for new players suck ass
sub champion is a non game, champion or more and you do no damage with 1 power starter gear. Weaves and Chaos wastes partially skips this but I think they'd be too confusing without friends guiding you
Once you get the fundamentals, this game is a blast. Shame it lost a bit of soul from the first one

>>727769553
never realized this because I’ve never gotten the chance to get a good look at one, but it’s kind of weird how healthy the plague monks look. where’s the boils, the rashes, the rotting teeth? they look like a bunch of clan rats who’ve put on some robes.

>>727770143
This is the SUCC rat.

>>727759013
It's sad they don't have crossplay. Xbox and playstation cross play with PC and also a Switch 2 version and the game is literally perfect.

The cunts are madmen and could probably do it. They rewrote the entire games code on how it loaded textures or some shit and reduced the load times by like 70% about a year ago. And I think reduced the file size by 30+GB this way too.

>>727758912
There actually is. The mechanical depth of this game is up there with the most demanding of games. But it's PVE so it didn't get picked up by the turbo competitive tards.

It's actually a fantastic game, and I have 1000 hours in Vermintide 2 and almost 2000 in Darktide. And I just can't get enough.
It's like crack.

Levels are 20 minutes long and there's like 30 levels. So if you played each level 3 times on one class which you will easily do that. That's 30 hours. There's 5 classes so if you max out each class and the dlc classes you can easily get 150 hours.

Then there's the rogulike wastes mode which you could get 50-100 hours in. And 20-50 hours in Winds DLC.

And they added Versus which I don't even know if it's actually released yet or not but surely that's another 100 hours. You could easily get 300+ hours if the game really clicks with you and you max out every character and class and do all the modes to completion.

>>727770762
>playing winds and versus
you didn't play the game chatgpt

>>727759108
>dwarfchad carries the whole team
many such cases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU4kjjkiZk8

dont like the artstyle, combat, maps, gameplay or characters
love darktide even though its janky

>>727771142
i want to like darktide so badly

Darktide has better music but that's it, VT is better in every other aspect

>>727758751
Literally this.
Also killing shitskins as the uber reich.

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>~ Where shall I kill him, under the mountain! ~
>Oiii !!!

Orc hero when?
Lizardman hero when?
Mummy enemies when?
Vampire enemies when?
Non Nurgle chaos enemies when?
Chorf when?

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don't make me reinstall this shit, I'm finally free

>>727763635
>feels like you're going on comfy fantasy adventures.
the only other game that comes close is dragon's crown and that's forever stuck on snoyshit because of kamitani's autism

>>727771518
In the same boat. I do have fun playing it, but it's just such a step down. The combat isn't nearly as fun or satisfying, and the level design is absolute ass. Who thought it was a good idea to re-use maps?

>>727773096
>SHODDY HUMAN UMGAK

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>>727772562
>1к+ hours

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>>727763406
That 6th edition art anon the 4th edition elf art look like pic

>>727765586
Saltzeprye is a Middenlander anon

>>727773056
if these are crackgames then darktide is crack laced with rat poison

fuck fatshark

>>727773056
i find darktide's combat to be better, but its level and environment design are very unappealing

>>727765279
>tfw throwing axe is unusable on cata
fucking gay ass swede fucks

where's the kerillian raped by a giga chad skaven fanfic

>>727775046
>fanfic
It's canon

>>727775046
You're going to have to be more specific

>>727765526
It's exactly the other way around. Playing old maps with new weapons is not content. Playing new maps with old weapons is content.

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>>727758705
This and Darktide have been the only good left 4 dead-like in idk 20 years?

capatcha:PAYNN

>>727759804
Chiv 2's melee combat system is the only first person melee combat system I've ever genuinely enjoy. That fact that Chiv 2 doesn't get more support with game types and stuff and other games don't try to be like it hurts me.

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>>727775046
Here here!

>>727775393
It was one of the victims of ebin before devs realised that it was a deal with the devil

>>727775694
>victims of ebin
Of what now?

>>727775751
He who devours controllers

Still no one for some cata chaos waste? Or even normal game for you autists

Why does saltz va sounds so good for his character?
It's perfect

>>727765124
>>727765510
Oh it's coming.
Hell yeah it's coming, alright.
Bigger and better than you could EVER expect.

>want to buy darktide but already spent tons on warhammer tw
i will wait for the next discount

>>727766683
>umm fatshart (of which we were warned about, like a few months before the closed beta of Darkshite) has released significantly more content!!!! than Vermintide!!! clearly WEEEEE are the favoured game (absolutely not in dire need of hotfixes!!!) THAN THEIR """passion""" project that they keep feeding with!!!!
HOOOOOOOOOOOLY
SHITTTTTTTTTTTT?!?!?!?!?!

>>727775907
I don't play cata, legend is both hard enough and still can feel like a power trip (and allows me to play whatever piece of shit weapon I want).

>>727776020
schizo

>>727765376
wtf lmao

>>727776373
>legendlet

Is there any way to cheese the beat Skittergate mission on x difficulty achievement? It’s the only achievements I have left.

>>727766765
>no arguments
Kysseroni, my brotheroni.

>>727776083
who are you playin in tw anon?

>>727776373
>legendshitter
ngmi.

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There's nothing wrong with legend difficulty but one thing I can't understand is why so many legend players insist on taking books every time.

>>727777063
comfy...

Does the game still spawn a single rat behind your back to remove your whole HP bar? Are their attacks still unpredictable?

>>727777063
Because it nets a chest with higher chances for reds? What's hard to understand about that?

>>727777387
it's too hard little Timmy ;(

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>>727777063
>Necro Sienna

>>727766683
Im torn:
Vermintide 2 has charm, character and life.
Darktide has the best goddamn combat system Ive ever played and Hives Cum being fragile I take as a challenge.

The solution? I play both.

>>727777596
you sound like a youtuber

>>727777596
based both enjoyer

>>727777649
Maybe I am.

>>727758705
Legendary+ can be addicting since you arent allowed to slack that much and theres been new maps recently and a Roguelite mode for infinite replay value.

>>727777387
you're generally better off skipping books and getting faster runs

>>727777063
If you dont take books might as well play on Champ difficulty

>>727776641
Assming you're having trouble with the boss, just keep someone in each corner and beat the shit out of him.
Most wipes happen because you get a conga line of dipshits walking to each teleport point and getting blasted/gangraped by spawns

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>>727758705
it's just comfy rat and chaos killing with good, tight gameplay, great characters and dialogue
Unfortunately no other game will ever learn from this. Even darktide.

>>727760716
The only reason they didn't is because they know they would never be able to top the U5, and because of that they had to try something new.

So will we get a Vermintide III in AoS

>>727762612
>>727762420
the worst part about vermintide 2 (coming from 1) is how they ruined the Kerillian's eye glint. It made her eyes really attractive but in vt2 they just look like black voids, nothing there at all. You can still barely see it if the conditions are right but it may as well not exist.

>>727777889
No reason not to go for tomes though. Grims are the ones you should avoid.

>>727777063
Taking books > Generals or Emperor's Vault > ~10-20% chance to get a red, based on community testing
Not taking books > Merchants or Soldier's vault > 1-5% chance to get a red.

>>727779148
Also, once you are actually good at the game, full book runs on Legend are not an issue at all. Friends & I usually even run Cata with all books, although that's not a popular thing to do in the community. There is simply no reason not to do it.

Any DLC's I should get for VT2? I play exclusively dwarf berserker if that matters.

id like darktide if it was about the actual cool shit in 40k and not fucking generic metal sci fi hallways and the same chaos god I was fighting minions of in vermintide 2

kerillian fucks minotaurs

>>727779148
>>727777387
Chaos wastes is much better for chests if you really want them, you get two emperors for finishing and one more from trial chests and picking up coins.

>>727758705
>The devs intended 80-120 hours of playtime
it takes ~20 hours just to unlock one character's abilities. the game is literally unplayable until you reach lv30 and you have to do that individually for each character. after that you can start grinding for the perfectly rolled gear though that's not important at all or even noticeable.

>>727779468
Space Marine (2) might be what you are looking for.

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>>727779576
NOTE: space marine has absolutely godawful fucking melee gameplay. If you don't care then genuinely go and enjoy the slop show but if you do care, don't even consider it

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>>727779237
>Bardin: "Okdawazdreng."

>>727779576
>>727779676
is the first one good?

>>727760716
This is really the worst part of current Darktide. Yeah, the game has many problems still, but having generic create-a-characters instead of the strong personalities they could develop that were the U5 is something no amount of patches and balance passes can fix. Gameplay issues can be fixed, content can be pushed, but the "characters" will stay bland and flat forever.

>>727779427
Back to Übersreik has good maps and a very good dual hammer weapon that Bardin can use. Shadows over Bögenhafen also has good maps but nothing special for the dwarf. Winds of Magic is a bit overpriced, but it does add a new (shitty) gamemode and a new (mildly annoying) enemy faction to the game, perhaps more importantly for you, it comes with throwing axes for Bardin, which are a decent ranged weapon that even the slayer can use. Finally, there is the Outcast Engineer DLC career, which comes with a Coghammer that all of Bardin's careers can use.

If you are a poorfag, I'd say Back ot Übersreik is the best value for money, the maps are great, and so are the dual hammers.

>>727779768
SM1 is great and ironically enough the melee is way better, too. It's a little shorter than SM2. A little expensive for how old and dated it looks but I recommend it

>>727779676
Space Marine 2's gameplay is engaging for a bit, but holy shit is it flat. It completely lacks the depth of any of the -tide games that scales so well with player skill. It's just rote memorization of parry timings for enemies and an endless amount of executions. And indeed, much like every other modern game involving melee, the concept of poise/characters not getting immediately staggered and juggled by generic attacks is completely foreign, which makes your big tanky marine feel like a limp-wristed faggot.

>>727779845
I don't understand why anyone has problems with Darktide's gameplay still.
It feels significantly better to play than Vermintide's lightly jank feel. I get that most people who say shit like that have 2000 hours and are so used to it, it feels natural to them. But a new player will guaranteed find Darktide feels better to play out of the box than Vermintide.

You're absolutely right about the characters though. Its funny, they seem to recognize the problem and have added a lot more radio chatter from the mooks up on the ship, even having them argue over the radio and interact during missions. Its not enough at all, but funny they've noticed the problem so late.

>>727779768
Its a fun, short hordeshooter with space marines vs orkd. 2 is just more of the same and multiplayer modes.

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Love smiting Chaos
Love genocide
Love clutching
Love the chaos wastes

'ate rattos
Simple as.

>>727779427
>berserker
they’re called slayers, and make sure you put respect on the title.
Winds of Magic gives you throwing axes which give you a ranged option if you’re missing the ability to snipe specials.
Back to Ubersreik gives you dual hammers which gives you a good compliment to dual axes
Outcast Engineer gives you the cog hammer which is a safe choice for horde clear, but it’s mogged by the two handed axe + two handed hammer combo.

>>727777596
desu i would be bothfag if darktide didnt run like shit

>>727780226
A lot of the love I have for VT2s cast is that they are realized, they have history together and brings it up ever so often. In Darktide its only Morrow who has any levity with his tour on Armageddon and Bodyguard ogryn remembering the Twins fight. They really need to push that harder like doing a lights out mission and someone talks about how much easier to the see the edges of Bridge of Many Martyrs when the lights were working.

>verminchads bullied OP out of his own thread and hijacked it

>>727780226
>I don't understand why anyone has problems with Darktide's gameplay still
It's very poorly balanced, and either Fartshart is unable to see why, or they can't decide whether to listen to redditors, their discord troons, or the youtubers. But mostly it comes down to their idea of difficulty being "just spam endless hordes of disablers behind massive walls of carapace", and then everyone shits their pants when the embarrassingly small handful of weapons that can quickly deal with carapace are the only ones anyone plays. And it seems they're willing to try anything short of just fucking reworking carapace so it doesn't make 80-90% of their weapon roster deal zero damage.

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gotrek & felix spinoff when?
undead faction when? I know they're working on it, we've seen some of the files in the source code.

>>727780427
What specs do you have, azumgi?

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ogryn hard carries the darktide nobodies

luv me emprah
veteran is such a faggot jesus christ

>>727780558
Carapace walls are a real problem, and not in a fun «how can I combine my favorite weapons to deal with this»-way. Instead 90% of all the weapons are rendered useless if they dont have high penetration. Cum gets sort of away with it through tox chem having 0.9 ratio on cara, but needler is the only ranged source of it. They could treat carapace as mini-mini bosses and instead crank up everything else.

Skink character when?

>>727780672
NTA but I bought DT when it was 75% off on the basis of "I'll upgrade my PC soon (TM)". Playing the prolouge with my 1050 Ti was not fun.

Did 300 of you dumb niggers really fall for blatant engagement b8? It was not even subtle.

Brown website.

>>727781021
shut the fuck up retard

>>727758705
to be fair these LFD like games have the most cancer online communities because of this. Join a lobby and you will be kicked if you go down once despite you spawning on 5 specials

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>>727780427
it's no wonder the game runs like shit when there are issues like this present
also, stuff like
>spawn any 5 enemies in darktide in the psykhanium
>lose upwards of 50 frames (frames are inflated in the psykhanium, but still)
>spawn one hundred skaven slaves or norscans in vermintide
>-5 fps
not an exaggeration btw

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>>727781021
No one is even talking about the op anymore, we're just discussing the game.

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I like how OP is still mad about his bait attempt getting derailed into proper thread

>>727776439
>>727776871
any difficulty that necessitates use of meta shit is unfun dogshit. Be it vt2 cata or shartide havoc

>>727781014
Not only does the devs have «just upscale and framegen bro» attitude to performance. Its also intense of the cpu. How does going all low and disabling ragdolls work for you?

>>727764125
>yeah, so? still very fun
What kind of excuse is that? They could, and can, do better in Darktide but they just choose not to and it's a big damn shame when it's a huge pull for the Vermintide games which is universally hailed for that particular aspect. It's perfectly fair to be pissed they just chucked a hugely successful and proven concept out the window for whatever reasons. The game can both be fun and have unrealized character banter at the same time.