HumiIiation ritual.
>>727759363Is it okay if a single indie developmer who wants to make a game out of fun, uses ai for things like voices music and code correction? Not everyone can afford a budget, some people want to make games for free and give them away for free
>>727759583I don't care, as long as the final product doesn't feel cheap (most of them will).
>>72775936Reminder you're a tranny if you have a problem with this.
>>727759583Sure, just don't hide it from anyone
>>727759706brown skins love AI so you're brown.
>>727759583Star Citizen counts as indie so I guess AI is fair if there is no crowdfunding.
>>727759706Any of they\them are 1000x better than Rajesh, simple as
>>727759782that's a very interesting stance to take
>>727759583https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=hfPH4j8Knr4This song was made with 100% AI and is a banger.
>>727759831indians are below mentally ill whites on the totem pole, yes.
>>727759676Horror games feel cheap too but they're fun
>>727759782It do be like that doe, Indians are really that disgusting
>>727759583Just make it and let the market decide.
>>727759583Not really because trannies on /v/ will raid your indie game for using AI, and try to bully you into financially destroying yourself while not even buying your game.Not AAA studios with big budgets though, like in the case of ARC Raiders.
>>727759706All I take from this is that transgender, non-binary and disabled people have a higher IQ on average
Trannies have been desperately trying to frame AI has a jeet thing because its cutting into their financial and social profit, the left has heavily invested into "art" and entertainment and AI is threatening to completely pull the rug out from under them
>>727760032>>727759946>>727759880>>727759782Samefag
did they also add a disclaimer for games using pre-made assets?why ai and not other tools?jesus I hate AI-trannies as much as I hate AI-jeets, which is a lot
>>727759963>thanks for calling us outholy cucked
The upset over this shit proves beyond doubt that the main appeal of AI is to pass off genslop as your own work. Take that away and there's no point.
>>727760076Tell you what, you post your hand and I'll tell you how many of those posts are mine.
>>727759583Slop voices would just make the game worse, though. No self-respecting creator would put out filth like that under his own name.
>>727760136I have no problem with AI art/music/code, but yes, I do have a problem with people taking credit for AI art and saying it's their own work
>>727760228>Slop voices would just make the game worse, though.>Why? Because I said so of course! And you should listen to me because uh... BECAUSE YOU JUST SHOULD, YOU DAMN CHUD!
>>727760126>what's the difference between buying and stealingare you chinese?
>>727759583Do whatever the fuck you want, stop listening to redditards, leftards and troons.They hate AI because it decentralizes creativity and puts in the hands of every person. If they can't have control of all media under the umbrella of their ESG troon companies, then they want it to burn.At some point you're going to have to wake up and see that these people are at war with literally everything that exists and you're going to have to ignore them while they gnash their teeth. Threatening to bully you is their only recourse.
>>727760309Yeah, it's not surprising that you can't imagine a situation that hasn't happened to you.
>>727759363They should also disclose having used any high-level programming language. Using anything above assembly means you're not a real programmer and need to jump into a volcano.
>>727759363test
>>727760074it's both
>>727760429>They hate AI because it decentralizes creativity and puts in the hands of every person>it decentralizes creativity lol?
post AI voice samples from games and we will decide if they are ludokino
>>727760432What game with AI voices did you play then? Name one.
>>727760472Read it as many times as you like you fucking degenerate puke.
>>727760509Arcraiders
>>727759583it's okay for anyone to do anything if it produces a good game.
>>727760517Would you mind explaining how drawing was centralized before AI?
>see game I like>use it as "inspiration">ask help to my not-redeeming friends in asia so I can churn out assets>end up releasing slop game 95% similar to game I like>this is okie dokie though no ai used :)
>>727760545I've played that game too. The voices aren't "making the game worse", they sound like your average video game acting performance. Yes it's no film or theatre performance but it's not as bad as you make it out to be so I shall not be engaging with you further, as you are either trolling or are legitimately deranged about AI.
>>727760517Paying a subscripion to papa Jensen to rent a couple accelerators isn't decentraisation, retard. Neither is buying his overpriced silicon so you can run the thing locally. Do not speak of things you know nothing about.
>>727760697Ah yes running away becausse you know you don't have enough brain power to engage, maybe Grok can help you :)
>>727759858WE ARE CHARLIE KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRKWE CAAAAAAAARRY THE FLAME
>>727760662>this other thing is bad, so AI can't be badsasuga
>>727760753I accept your concession.
>>727760770Jews killed Charlie Kirk
>>727759858this was ai? it's pretty good
>>727760806>this other bad thing has been going for a while but I didn't care because internet trannies didn't told me to, but this new 100% similar bad thing? oh yeah I hate it soooo much it's the worst :(((
>>727760882He was one of them, in life and death.
>>727760770for me, it's the phonk mix
>>727760963>didn't told me toYou are not beating the thirdie allegations
>>727760963Are you intentionally messing up your grammar to pretend you're an AI monkey or are you actually?
>>727760971He denounced them and they killed him.
>>727760882Why blame them for the one thing they didnt do? It's funny don't get me wrong, because it is them most of the time, but Kirk was a shabbos goy. They had no reason to take him out.
>>727760992>>727761019post your skin first
saaAAr youre tranny if u dont like AI sAAar please do the needful and support saaAAar
I don't get it. Unless you are a publisher or a developer why would it ve bad for you if a product has AI assets in it?
>>727759963>tranny obsession>"AI" worshipHello election tourist
>>727761056>didn't read the receipts Kike detected
>>727761082Buddy that wasn't a typo, it was gramattically incorrect. Almost like English isn't your 1st language.
>spam for over a year now that AI is a jeet thing>people don't care and keep using AIartbros I think we're cooked...ngl...
>>727761082>typoThat's not a typo, monkey.Also, >>727760662>ask help to my not-redeeming friendsSouth America needs to be removed from the internet.
>>727759363ㅅㄷㄴㅅ
>>727761142>no skin colorjeet alert kek
>>727759363Yes. They must be publicly humiliated
>>727759583It's OK if the game is free
>>727761157>Nonononono please worship AI pleaaaseI will not, it had done nothing but make things shittier for me as a consumer.
>uhm, USING AI VOICES IS LE BAD CHUD!>fine, how about (You) voice act in my game so I can replace all the AI?>*crickets*How come?
>>727761157>people don't careThen why do shills want to get rid of disclaimers?
>>727759583personally I don't care, one of my favourite games has pic related and it doesn't matter to me, their handmade portraits before looked like ass
Gamedev here.I will keep using AI as I see fit.You will keep consooming.That'll be all.
>>727761261Because of people like (You) reviewbombing games.>>727759963
>>727761286I won’t though
>>727761261people don't like getting death threats and harassment, shocker, it's not about "people wont buy the game now" its "I don't want to be doxxed and have my social media clogged up with trannies screeching"
>>727761035He still loved Israel, he just was attacking left wing Jews and was mad at a donor for not wanting Tucker Carlson.
>>727761286You've never made a game in you life. Nice LARP.
>>727759963I really wanted to like this game but I hated the controls. I didn't mind the ai voice.The ai issue is so stupid, they should've never responded.
>art-trannies and VA-trannies BTFOthis will never not be funny
Why is ot always obviously brown people defending AI this much?
>>727761286>You will keep consooming.if it's any good, sure why not
>>727761448Those posts don't make it look like your butt is intact:>>727761351>>727761319
AI literally lives in these dude's minds non stop, imagine how utterly fucking mindbroken you have to be to have a work of yours be successful and your first thought is about AI
>>727761363Nah it was israel. Nice try kike.
>>727759706>If you don’t embrace a dystopian future as shown in the Machine Stops were soulless machines make all art and people get AI to think for them you’re a trannyThe titular Machine in novella the Machine Stops didn’t need to use the threat of homelessness to stop the questioning of the Machine all it needed say is “if you don’t accept the machine you’re a tranny”
>>727761448You as a white consumer (allegedly) are getting nothing good from GenAI being used to make games
>>727761489>ot
>dude AI is soulless>t. spends 12 hours a day on his computer
>>727759363Now make the same think with asset packs, I want the exact list used.
>>727761556>You as a white consumer (allegedly) are getting nothing good from GenAI being used to make gameshow so?
>>727759583>voicesJust use random noises or your voice through a filter if you absolutely want it.>musicThere's plenty of royalty free music out there. Crystal Story uses such all over.>code correctionlollmao
>>727761542Kirk was a israeli pupped, like every single american
>>727761532
>Yes, sar, I'm proud to use the most advance technology to create this product sar>NYOOOO YOU CAN'T STAMP MY PRODUCT SAAAAAR, DO NOT HURT MY FRAGILE FEEL SAAAARKEK at KekAIroos
>>727761620>ignored my postKvetch harder kike
>>727761363>left wing jewsIt's all the same to them, and he knew that. He pointed this out a few weeks before he was assasinated. People from his side were bitching about his comments about the gaza genocide and jews playing a part in a lot of things. He was just not being /pol/ about it.
>>727761432>I really wanted to like this
>>727759706>he tried to write out the post numberLosing your funding really caused a massive brain drain, eh?
>>727761512Only one of those posts is mine, looney trooney.
>>727761532>it's not enough that you're a good artist and people praise your stuff you have to ratio some randolol jesus christ
>>727761137I saw the texts, he was upset Satanyahu wasn't defending Israel *enough* and that he was forced to do it.He was still a jew-slave. Again, no reason to kill him
The only argument for AI slop that I've heard so far is: "reddit and trannies are anti AI so you have to be pro AI"
>>727761721I wasn't even implying that one of them was yours, retard. But it figures that it was.
are we being raided by reddit or some gay ass discordthere's no need for constant AI-shitting spam, nobody cares nigga
>>727761657i don't get it
Isn't Gen Z a bit too young to be having their boomer technology moment?
>>727761772/v/ has plenty of failed artists on it that seethe over AI on the daily.
>>727761761And the only argument against AI that I hear is: "IT'S JUST BAD, THINK ABOUT ME ME ME!"
>>727761828Gen X seem to shaking their fist at clouds over ai.
Not a problem since, like AI art, you can spot shitty games from miles away.
You know, using AI (or a neural network in this case) to program an enemy in a multiplayer game so it gets "smarter" with every attempt would be pretty cool.Too bad it's mostly used to churn out soulless voices, write shitty dialogue or make shitty videos.I get why they do it like this though: The former requires effort and is a benefit to the player. The latter is just a cost saving measure
>>727761828Gen Z is almost 30, Gen Alpha is becoming main target audience.
>all big companies use AI now>gabe says people should use AI>but yet steam puts warnings on games that use AIpick a fucking lane
>>727761909>Called Alpha>Is submissive, braindead and the only relevant thing they've done is the shitty 67 memeGrim
>>727761903>cost saving measureConsidering (You) only pirate games or buy them on extreme sales, it's no wonder they have to save costs.
>>727759583Yeah, and also why don't you just rob and kill people to balance your budget, I mean, you just want people to have video games so how can that be bad
>>727759363>>727759583>>727759706>>727759858If AI is good, why would saying you used AI be humiliating?
>>727761948Piracy improves sales
>>727761828I've seen this posted a lot but it just sounds like the guy googled something.
>>727761881you don't think there is a quality difference?
>>727759363I dislike AI, but hate the idea of self-labeling as well as community labeling things as AI generated.If a game artist used modern photoshop, it's 95% certain he used AI. Therefore the game would require the AI label. A lot of things in game development are automated anyhow. You can't escape it, all you can do is look at the end result critically. Does the game look like shit and play like shit due to AI? Then don't buy it.
>>727761921>>gabe says people should use AI>>but yet steam puts warnings on games that use AIWhat's even funnier is that Deadlock devs used Midjourney for character designs and programming and yet Valve doesn't disclose it on their own page for Deadlock.Rules for thee, not for me!
>>727761921you can do both, it's not a binary choice.
>>727761761>AI slopI don't like slop, but I don't mind AIyou can use AI to make slop sure, but you can also use plenty of other things too
>>727761921retard alert
Been making a bunch of catchy anime openings with Suno. Brain is fried from dopamine.
>>727761992Enjoy more AI slop in games then, as it becomes too financially risky to not use AI due to people like you.
>>727761948There are few games worth buying and even fewer worth pirating.I am willing to pay for a good product. However, I am not willing to pay premium prices for cheap garbage.
>>727761881Or maybe there are people who don’t want “The Machine Stops” to be their future they don’t want to live in world were all art is made by the Machine and people don’t get AI to do all the thinking for them. Smartphones and Social Media ruined the Internet and made people retarded AI is going to make this much worse.
>>727762073Read>>727762059
>AI is good and everyone loves it, actually.>But I don't want people to know I use AI, because that's bad for business.DERP
>>727760135Typical buisness jargon. You treat the consumer like children and pretend they have brains
>>727762004quite frankly, noniggas been churning out soulless slop for ages now, teaching an actual machine to do so is but a formality
>>727759363>Open SM64>AI Generated Content Disclosure window pops up
>>727760428>stealingDid you pay for your art textbook? Hope they got permission from the artists they cited in them.
>>727759583Any game that discloses that they use AI is bad. If you can't successfully hide that it has AI in it then I don't want it. Learn to lie and make it better.
>>727762113They don't want to lose izzat, anon.
>>727762215>>727762113Samefag
>>727762113I don't get it either. But that's Pajeet for you.
If your game is good enough people will forgive the AI label. Arc Raiders didn't have an issue with sales. People will nitpick the game if it's shit.
>>727760710This. Run your machines locally, ComfyUI
>>727762207>t. turd worlder who doesn't know what a High-Trust Society is.
>>727761497Based
>>727761774You are a reasoning functioning adult, you are capable of nuanced interpretation and appreciating both good and bad at the same time. Accepting that you must not like something despite having reasons to appreciate it doesn't sound like an independent thinker.
>>727761979It depends on how the end product turns out. If good then good. Simple as.
>>727761921It's just to put a value expectation on the product and avoid having devs telling a story of paying artists (you can clone a 1 to 1 style of very popular artists in a few clics) and use that fake story to inflate the price of the game. Some low budget porn games have been using styles from patreon artists already.
>>727762059What part of "improves sales" didnt you understand
Cool, can we now have disclosure for:>stock textures used>store bought assets>third-party technologies: libraries, frameworks, etc (both proprietary and open source, link to git if available)>freelance contracts
>>727761979See >>727759963
>>727759583Then you don’t deserve shit, faggot. AI is unskilled garbage
>>727762207Do not listen to this loser, the real casual filter is if someone can judge the merits of a game on the gameplay mechanics and visual/audio design without attacking its construction
>You are a reasoning functioning adult, you are capable of nuanced interpretation and appreciating both good and bad at the same time. Accepting that you must not like something despite having reasons to appreciate it doesn't sound like an independent thinker.
>>727761128>election touristhello plebbitoryou can go back to your safespace now
>>727761921How is it a warning if AI isn't a bad thing to use in your product? It's just a notice that it was made using AI tools.
>>727759583>I-i-is it okay if it's indie sloppah doing it instead iof AAA?No?
>>727759858If by banger you mean "utter soulless dogshit" then sure, it's a banger.
>>727762470Piracy doesn't improve sales you fucking subhuman turd worlder. If pirates want to buy a game they only do it on Steam when it's at a massive discount, so a dev MIGHT earn 3 dollars (2 go to Valve) from a $15 game from a pirate.
>>727762572Sorry, did I rustle your jimmies a bit, or do you think appealing to logic is uncool?It's the "art vs artist" argument. If you like a song but find out it was made by someone you really don't like, would you still like said song?
>>727762645Lol no-taste retard
>>727759583If you can't do that shit yourself, don't do it at all.
>>727762623So where are notices for the following?>>727762483
>>727759858I couldn't even tell this was made with AI
>>727759363Either1. Don't use AI, then you don't have to disclaime you used AI2. Don't be ashamed of using AI, then you don't care that you have to disclose you used AI
>>727759583Slop is convenient but tasteless. Like, I played diffusion, the half life mod last week, and it uses ai voices but it's just jarring to listen to the fucking tiktok voice on a character. I'll actually take old school tts or bad amateur voice acting over it.I understand why the creator did it, he's a slav autist so of course he doesn't know any girls irl that could actually voice a female character, and the ghouls that attacked him to pay the heckin voice actors what they're worth are clout chasing cunts, but i hope that now the mod got attention, he's attracted enough VA's to eventually replace the AI dialogue
>>727762682The idea is without piracy, the pirate wouldn't ever show interest in the product to give it another sale to begin with, and the pirating was exposure/marketing for it. Not sure if I agree or if it's so black-and-white assertable.
>>7277627453. Don't disclose that you use AI, like how Valve does it.
>>727762483Yes we should have disclosure some of those as well
>>727762685He said he hated the controls. Wanting to like something but ultimately not is not a result of its character alone but the sum of its parts. You can recognize where the appeal for you lies, and then get utterly stoppered by another factor.
>>727761142>leftism is the tolerant, anti-racism ideology!>except when it actually hurts our pocket and threatens to make me learn a real job instead of milking patreon with my doodles, then I turn into an über racist calling everyone a thirdie!Minor grammar or typo mistake that doesn't invalidate the point at all but makes you pretend to not understand and muddle the waters for 300 posts, before being forced to face your own lack of arguments and hypocrisy, retard.You screeching clowns can't go the way of the dodo soon enough.
Only on /v/ have I seen people obsessed with a need to consume literal shit. It takes all of five minutes seeing all the soulless AI slop on Steam to understand lowering the bar of creation is a bad idea because the majority of people output the worst slop imaginable.
>>727762692If hating AI slop means i have no taste, than I'll gladly take that. If a real person had made it, and it had a real human singing it, it would be decent. You can quite literally hear that it's AI.
>Sorry, did I rustle your jimmies a bit, or do you think appealing to logic is uncool?>It's the "art vs artist" argument. If you like a song but find out it was made by someone you really don't like, would you still like said song?
Gamedev here.Yes, I will keep using AI.No, I won't disclose it.You WILL still buy my game and enjoy it.
>>727762795Deadlock is early access
>>727761921And why do you think the label is bad?>P-POOR DEVS GET HARRASEDERINO!!!!And what are you going to do about it? You can't convince people generative AI isn't the worst thing ever without showing them a good example. Most people already don't care (aside from occasionally cursing the rising hardware prices), the undecided group will be convinced when they find out after the fact a game they liked used AI, and the loud minority who still obsesses over 6 fingers will be unphased no matter what you do.>B-BUT ASSETS!!!! STOCK TEXTURES!!!! OUTSOURCING!!!!So, you admit you think AI is bad?
>>727762831>AHHHHHHH ITS AI SO I MUST HATE IT I HATE IT AHHHHHHHHlol this is how you can tell you're mindbroken
>>727762831that isn't ai is the thing. he just exposed you guys as having broken pattern recognition.
>>727762774>but it's just jarring to listen to the fucking tiktok voice on a characterYou can use any voice you want with AI. If the modder is too retarded to run a local model or find a service that allows to clone voices for free, that's not the fault of the AI.
>>727762831You wouldn't have known if he didn't tell you. You indoctrinated imbeciles already have your programming and won't go against it even if it was the best piece of media ever created.
>>727762682Prove it hurts sales, there have been studies proving it improves sales in the music industry. There hasnt been a study that proved piracy costs sales. You are a consoomer brained retard
>>727762682European Commission Study (2017): "Estimating Displacement Rates of Copyrighted Content in the EU"This 307-page report analyzed surveys from over 30,000 people across six EU countries and found no statistical evidence of sales displacement for video games from piracy. It reports a +24% displacement rate, meaning 100 illegal downloads correlate with 24 additional legal purchases. Piracy boosts sales by converting users via tactics like extra levels or bonuses in paid versions.Direct PDF:https://netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/
>>727762972>there have been studies proving itYou dropped your kippah
>>727759858This sounds like shit. Are you kidding? Are your ears broken?
>>727759363BASED GABENFUCK AI
>>727763003Whoops fucked up the link.https://netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdfHeres another one from Australia https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/sites/default/files/DeptComms%20Online%20Copyright%20Infringement%20Report%20FINAL%20.pdf
AI is... le bad!
>>727759583>i-is it okay if I use AI to make the voices, art, graphics, UI, coding, dialogue, storyline, ideas and still make millions of dollars? I wish be like those rich indie game devs that made Balatro, Lethal Company and Megabonk, but without lifting any finger. I-I just wanna be a millionaire dev just for fun, c-can I??? promise you'll buy my game??
you know what, I will consoom whatever I like regardless if AI was used or not, seething trannies and zealot jeets be damned
>>727762948It's still gonna sound flat and weird. I don't believe AI is the heckin devil, I just think everything it pumps out triggers the 'Ew' part of my brain. I tried using elevenreader which is supposedly the best AI voice thing and it still sounded weird and off. I got no horse in that race cause I'm a blue collar wagie, I just think it's objectively shit.
>>727762929The loud minority really fucks you over because they'll lie about your game. There is a game on Steam called Metal Eden (I think?) and they used AI for the voices and added a disclosure for it. Yet one of the troons left a negative review claiming all the written content (dialogues, flavour text, item descriptions) is AI-generated, without showing proof of course. And the Steam forums got raided by the same trannies raiding for Steam points.
>>727760136They're like trannies. The whole appeal is lying to people and trying to force them to accept the lie.
>>727763019Shit taste retard
>>727759963>I FUCKING LOVE VIDEOGAMES YEEEES PLAY MY GAME>inserts shitty terribly god awful sounding voicesWhat a gay. It just shows the devs fucking hate games and they hate you as a consumer. Fuck em.
>>727763113>t. failed gamedevKEK
>>727763064>>727762009
>>727760770It's a japanese song so it's more like 'bokutachi wa charuri kiruko-san'.
>>727759363Why is it a bad thing to let people know? Surely if its good it will still be good.>>727759583YES. It literally doesnt fucking matter. "cheap" VA has a way of making a game sound even cheaper than it is by the way, it is sometimes not even worth giving voices and if you have to resort to AI to do It I feel its one of those instances where you didnt need it.
>>727763192And what makes you think it wouldn't be worse if you weren't upfront about it? People would feel actively deceived. If you worry about a bunch of trannies as a developer (which you shouldn't, unless your game actively caters to that audience), wait with using AI until people get used to its existence.
>>727763183>It's still gonna sound flat and weird.It's only flat and weird if you don't put effort into the output. Generate a couple more samples, edit them together to get the best output or use voice-to-voice mapping (or AI voice filter).
>>727763217Are you the creator of the song? The comment section is almost entirely AI bots. Did you think everyone on /v/ would give a shit simply because there's enough contrarians here that they'll eat shit as long as you tell them not to?
>>727763237>hate you as a consumerhow so?
>>727762809I’ve also seen this on Kiwifarms the entire argument seems to be>Look the woke left and troons hate AI so AI is deadass based and red pilled fr fr no cap on god
>>727763297>uhm just roll over and let us shit all over you no matter what you do!How about you just fuck off instead and stop being an insane delusional tranny?
>>727759583Yes of course. No one I've met irl gives a fuck. It's just weird internet luddites who care about it.
>>727762728Ever heard of a little thing called credits? But yeah I guess those could have notices too. The thing is it doesn't matter whether it's a shitty asset flip or AI slop, you can tell shit is shit even without a notice about it on the store page. Actual good developers use AI as a tool and don't delegate the whole creative process to it because everyone can tell your game is slop at that point like they can tell your game is a shitty asset flip if you use only store bought assets.
>>727763312No I'm not the creator, retard. Post your music taste so we can all laugh at it. you won't
>>727763010>You're jewish because you support piracyOk, it's discord fags just stirring shit up again. Keep on fighting the power, own those chuds!
>>727763361You're obsessed and mentally ill.
>>727763397I accept your concession.
>trannies are seething mad against something that looks like the real thing but isn't, and people trying to pass it as the real thing
>>727763301If you're gonna put actual effort in it you may as well do actual voice acting then?I thought it being easy and convenient was the whole point.
>>727759706>>727759963>>727760074Leftoid falseflagging again
>>727759858the artists other songs are better tbdesu
>>727763369>Ever heard of a little thing called credits?So why do we need the storepage disclosure if we can just simply list the AI programs used in the credits?
>>727762682Funny enough the EU study that the other Anon posted also found that discounts have no effect on whether or not someome pirates a game so you are also incorrect there.
>>727763460>UHHHHH IT'S NOT US! IT'S THE LEFTOID FALSEFLAG!No, your kind really is just that dumb.
>>727763471It doesn't really matter to me, I care if the game was made using AI or not if the end product is good. Do you have some problem with AI that it matters so much to you?
>>727759363The hardest I've coomed this year has been to AI generated images. (Look up satyr grove on pixiv)You can't stop it. It's gotten too good.
>people trying to make the discussion around AI if you just support trannys or notizzat farming thread.AI is useful, labels letting people know you used it doesnt matter. If you see a AAA studio using it it matters because they are just being lazy, if a indie game is using it its because its a fucking indie game and its like having another person on staff.
>>727763546>I care*I don't care
>>727763548What an embarrassing thing to admit to dude.
>>727763548>(Look up satyr grove on pixiv)Just gen your own, my dude.
I'll never understand how AI of all things became a culturewar thing.
>>727763579>if a indie game is using it itsalso because they are lazy. And a third world shit goblin. Same as AAA "devs" that use it.
>>727763369>Actual good developers use AI as a tool and don't delegate the whole creative process to itand those actual good developers will be lynched online by reddit trannies because of the retarded disclosureI never needed to know which tools or techniques were employed or whatever, and I do not now eitherif it's slop I'm not gonna buy it, AI or not, as shrimple as that
>>727763471Customers should know if devs use AI before they buy the game. It helps cut back on refunds.
>>727759363>AI in £70 AAA studio sequelslopFuck off>AI in £10 indie FOTM slopI don't care
I can't wait for the AI slop bubble to pop and all of the retards relying on it for their games because 'it's like having another person on staff!!' end up having to pay like $300 per token and get priced out of making games. Fucking dipshits relying on shit literally subsidized by billionare assholes so you can be addicted to generating slop.
>>727763548Go back
>>727763613This isnt facebook retard, what do I care? AI genned pussy made me explode semen, I'll say it again
>>727763653so are you a tranny or a jeet
fygoon stop shitting up the catalog
>>727763704Yeah thats his flaw. He sells the uncensored shit on discord. But he has some worthwhile stuff for free on pixiv
>>727763709kek based coomer
>>727763653jeets and jews like it because they're lazy, scamming trash. But they were having a hard time getting actual humans on board. So they've tried turning it into a political thing to get retards to support it out of pure tribalism.
>>727763661I expect the devs would put in the credits what tools they used to make the game so those reddit trannies would be on them in any case.So yeah from that perspective it is actually a pretty pointless notice when you think about it.
A warning disclosure isn't far enough.Mark every developer who used AI in their games with searing hot branding iron that reads 'AI Dev' on their forehead
>>727759583>Is it okay if a single indie developmer who wants to make a game out of fun, uses ai for things like voices music and code correction?Sure, so long as they disclose it.
>>727763680>end up having to pay like $300 per token and get priced out of making gamesYou can generate stock textures for free locally on 4GB VRAM notebooks.
>>727762774I think voice cloning for modding is one of the only legit uses for AI there’s a lot of old mods for Oblivion and Skyrim that are voiceless which could be improved by adding voice cloned lines.
>another thread of AI shills saying everyone loves AI while begging gaben to get rid of the label so they don't lose sales
>>727762831Jesus Christ you showed your hand way too quick anon, you cant just fold over like that at the slightest provocation this is why people continue to shitpost AI because it works on retards like you.
>>727763659If a digital artists uses the undo function are they being lazy by not just redrawing the whole thing correctly?
WTF THIS IS THE EQUIVALENT OF CONCENTRATION CAMP NUMBER STAMP, FUCK NAZI GABEN
>>727763746>ai slop>sellsWe're going to need more than a meteor to clean this mess up.
i have ai slop fatigue
If you can tell it's AI at first glance, why do need the disclaimer?If you can't tell it's AI at first glance, why do need the disclaimer?
>>727763918This shuts them up real quick.
>>727763885I'll take it one step further. Using an eraser means you're not a real artist. Only paint on canvas where every stroke matters or you're starting over is real art.
>>727763918This so fucking much
>>727763816Yes but setting up local generation is too complex for most retards and doesn't even fit their use case of using LLMs.
>>727759363This is based because most artists are troons and they are being fired left and right.
>>727763918Not requiring a disclaimer makes people go schizo and hound people who don't use AI.
>>727763908Agreed. I was considering buying his subscription just to upload everything to kemono but then he'd get the money anyway.Regardless his free gens are still good
>>727763317Food analogy>make a pie>fill it with sandSee?
>>727763918chuddah-sama................
>>727763918Because I can tell at the second glance and that means I've wasted one perfectly good glance
>>727759363I don't see the problem, ai bros should take pride in their "work"
>>727764025So it's true that anti-AI trannies are just deranged then.
>>727760882Obviously but that doesn’t make it his death less funny. In fact it makes it even funnier given he was a kike shill.
>>727764101Yes.
>be small time indie dev>use ai voices as a temporary placeholder until you get money to hire vas>/v/niggers mob and harrass you for doing so and try to get your game delistedWhy is /v/ like this?
>>727763918>Play game made with AI>At first glance it looks fine>Get deeper into the game>Nonsensical gameplay choices and mechanics>Weird questlines that go all over the place>Nothing coherentAI is a test to see if you are a NPC or not, how is that internal visualisation going for you?
>>727764106Yes of course you'd think it's funny kike
>>727764172You don't NEED VAs in the first place. You're selling your game on the basis of a lie, assuming it'll sell enough to be able to hire VAs.
>>727763918It's a game not a single image. You buy a game thinking the trailer looks good and then see a whole lot of slop. The label prevents an unnecessary refund if you don't like slop.
>>727759583yeah, it's finejust let me know so i'm not blindsided when i see paintings that look like every pixiv artist mashed together
>nooo don't tell themHonestly if you believe AI is any good you shouldn't be worried about tagging it as such.Screeching over it just tells me you're not confident about it, same as faggots who screech over LGBT tagging.
>>727763918Those who are selling out human creativity to soulless machines deserve to be labelled do you really want our future to be like the one “the Machine Stops” warned of?
>>727764172/v/ sounds based
>>727763113LMAAOOOO all the faggots that like to use AI to cut corners are like this. They just either are too dumb to realize or too smug to admit it.
>>727760309>i think this sounds like shit>SOURCE?!?!?huh? it's an opinion
>>727764239>You don't NEED VAs in the first place.Says you.
>AI trannies and indians seething ITT
>>727763918>at first glanceWhat the fuck is this jewish shit? Why would anyone assume that the aitrannies pissing and shitting themselves over ai disclosures would put the slop in their game up on the storefront for people to see instead of trying to hide it?
>>727764305I played perfectly fine games over 25 years ago without any VA. What makes you think you NEED VA?
>>727764321It's hard, they have to confront the reality that they will NEVER EVER be accepted. Everywhere they go they get told to fuck off, it's amazing
>>727764305He's right. Plenty of games in history were made with no voiceovers at all and even today many popular games are as well. Why do you need voice acting?
>>727764191>>727764246in these specific cases, you CAN tell it's AI slopyou don't need the disclaimer
>>727764368>>727764414>samefagging
>>727763885I remember when people and turbo normies thought using digital art was infact not art because it wasnt made traditionally. Now that is the "traditional" method of making basically everything for any kind of art requirement, and using traditional is more of a gimmick than a requirement. Ai will go the same way, but itll take time. The problem that will come from AI is it makes shit look polished far beyond its worth. That game made by a jeet in a day looks like it has production value and intent even when it doesnt, because they smeered AI over everything to make it look like incredible works of art other people made, and will charge premium for it, and there will be no way to tell what is made with care or not. Im sure you remember that gif of the "pixel game" with mountains and forest and people saying "see AI can make games" and there was no fucking game or even gameplay associated? This couldve been an advert for a game that was pattently shite, but because it looked like it had polish people were fauning over it. This is whats coming. A slop tide. Waves of low quality games with perceived high production value made by sweatshops in 3rd world countries.
>>727764418I need the disclaimer so I don't waste my time finding out it's AI slopJust how thick is your dumb skull?
>>727764461>posts less than a minute apartTake your pills
>>727764516So you're low IQ then. Got it.Real humans can spot AI easily and don't need the disclaimer btw.
>>727764305AI voices are worse than plain text. They are distracting.
>>727764321It really is hilarious.
>>727764461>nooooo multiple people can't have a similar opinion
>>727764516if you need a disclaimer because you can't tell it's AI slop on your own, you're lost my child
>>727764562>They are distracting.From what?
Humans will move on to complete AI communities and all the anti-AI bots will still be posting this retarded garbage.
>>727759858Still very clearly AI generated and an actual native speaker would probably be able to sus it out better than me.
>>727764557>>727764631Cope harder trannies, it saves time for everyone: We can proceed to playing something better and you all can kill yourselves sooner.
>>727764418Not if the dev frontloads the game with real assets. The label is useful because games have a lot of content the customer can't see when purchasing.
>>727759363fun fact, if you don't use AI in your game you don't need an AI disclosure message, crazy right?
>>727764483>I remember when people and turbo normies thought using digital art was infact not artNo you don't. Because that never happened. There were criticisms of it taking less skill and producing an inferior product. But even those were pretty limited. And there was never any popular sentiment that it wasn't art.
>>727764516if you can tell it's AI just don't buyif you can't tell it's AI in it there are 0 reason to be madyou just want the disclaimer so you can also be mad even if there are 0 reasons kek
the butlerian jihad cant come soon enough
Once again, the people complaining about computers being used to make games are not and never will be customers. They hate games and the people who play them and do anything they can to spew vitriol against them.
>>727764778>Because that never happened
>>727764792>ai is good, actually!!! xDDD i TROLL u!!
>>727759583It's better than ok, that is the ideal we are striving for. Cut out the jew middlemen that have destroyed all entertainment. If you can cut out steam even fucking better.
>>727764779>see a game on the Steam store>"this might be interesting">notice the AI disclaimer>"ah, I'll just carry on then"Oh look, it saved me from looking further into gameplay and reviews and whatnot and prevented me from wasting my time
>>727764638Being immersed in the game. If I hear AI voices I immediately think that the dev is lazy and cheap. I'm no longer focusing on what I should be focusing on. I don't get that with just text.
>>727764698So you actually want to live in the world portrayed by the “the Machine Stops” because that’s what you’re describing herehttps://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops
>>727764631How do you trannies think people are supposed to know a game was vibe coded by jeets from the store page?
>>727764747do you only look at pictures when buying a game?
>>727764723I'm sorry you are a low IQ subhuman who can't identify AI.
Steam in itself is a humiliation ritual.
>>727764937Yeah whatever. See you at the funeral
>>727760074You're forgetting the very obvious; AI easily replaces spammers.
>>727764889>Being immersed in the game. If I hear AI voices I immediately think that the dev is lazy and cheap.But not stock music, sound effects or other premade assets? It's ONLY the voice acting? Right.
>>727764886>see a game on the Steam store>"this might be interesting">buy game>it's actually good>gaben forces disclosure>turns out game used AI somewhere>"UHM ACTUALLY THE GAME WAS GARBAGE ALL ALONG I NEVER LIKED IT FUCKING SOULLES AI SLOP"jk, I don't think you buy or play games kek
>>727764907Spend 5 minutes to>look at image of the game>scroll down to reviews>pass through a bunch of AI generated reviews to find one genuine review>genuine review mentions the game is generated with AI and half of the shit doesn't work>move onAs opposed to>read AI disclosure>move on
>>727759583No one cares if big studios use AI, this is all about established indie devs trying to crush smaller ones.
>>727765070>look at image of the game>not the gameplayyou're not buying the mona lisa nigga
>>727759363If you don't want the disclaimer just don't put your game on steam, you have other storefronts
>>727760428>stop stealing with your eyes goyKill yourself.
>>727765031Then you don't need to worry, do you? I'm sure your crappy little game will be a hit and you will be rich.
>>727765134I ain't got time for that shit, I'm up to like 16,000 games I've viewed and 14,000 of them ignored. If your shit doesn't immediately catch my eye or if it has AI trash it's getting binned.
>>727765134I don't think anti-ai fags care much about gameplay, or games for that matter
>>727764821Unlike you, I was actually there. Every single drawfag kid ended up with a drawing tablet as soon as they could afford one. That would be the demographic that should have been the most elitist according to your revisionist fantasies about a time before you were born. But none of them thought it wasn't art. And normalfags didn't care at all. The only complaints were stuff like more well informed enthusiasts criticizing digitally drawn anime for not looking as good. Which it really didn't since animators hadn't gotten used to it yet.
Look at how the putrid rat recoils after being forced to show its true self.You shill Ai endlessly yet scream like a toddler when being forced into even a modicum of honesty.Disgusting animal, you deserve nothing but scorn.Wear your mark of shame with pride, vile creature.
>>727759363If you don't want the generative AI disclaimer...maybe don't use generative AI
>>727759363This will unironically make me start using Steam again
>>727759583>code correction?What the fuck are you even talking about
>>727764778Type "is digital real art" into google and look at the recommendations and discussions. There is STILL discussions right now of people saying "is digital art is not real art" from people who think anything made on a computer isnt "traditional" art, so is not REAL art. To these people art is the stuff that goes in museums and is made with paint on a phyiscal canvas. Digital art can be printed and copied by virtue of being digital, so its valueless, so its like AI, thats the argument.These people consider it cheating, and people mostly ignore them. It will happen with AI where these kinds of people will still be arguing if its valid while its being used to make videogames and everyone is fauning over waifus made with it.I dont have a problem with AI my issue is it being used to make low effort trash and it being indestinguishable weither it is infact low effort due to its percieved polish. This was what happened iwth digital.>you can hit the undo function a thousand times, or you could actually learn to draw a line properly so you dont have to do that.
>>727765392Be less reddit please
I find it funny how as soon as the "hands" problem went away and AI became capable of generating coherent videos and sound, the anti-AI discourse became increasingly more schizophrenic and deranged. Pretty much any time this debate sparks up now, the anti-AI side only appeals to emotion, (perceived) majority opinion or just straight up insults and dogpiling.
>Look at how the putrid rat recoils after being forced to show its true self.>You shill Ai endlessly yet scream like a toddler when being forced into even a modicum of honesty.>Disgusting animal, you deserve nothing but scorn.>Wear your mark of shame with pride, vile creature.
Gaming doesn't even fucking matter at this point. Hobby has been thoroughly infested and destroyed from within. The pionneer loner creatives all moved on to using AI as the new unblemished expressive art form. AI chat is so much better than any book or text could ever be. It's just NPCs bitching about the new artform they are again excluded from by their own ignorance. Enjoy it until they start corrupting it like they always do.
>>727759706Complete nonsese.Trannies love AI.
>>727765571AI disclaimer saves me time, simple as. Keep seething.
>>727759858Awful.
>>727765503You can also type 'are birds real' and have people arguing that birds are fake and perpetuated by the government. It doesn't tell you shit about the popularity of said argument or whether it was even mainstream, retard.
>>727765580A shartoid quoted it. Argument has been proven true, thanks.>>727765521Eat shit, oh wait.
>>727760074Never forget who was making all those AI Ghibli images
happy diwali sirs
>>727765635Wasn't even the point of my post yet you brought up your beef with someone else out of nowhere replying to me.If anything it is you who is seething.
>>727763918>will never be refuted
>>727759858pretty good for AIplaylisted
>A shartoid quoted it. Argument has been proven true, thanks.
>>727759858You're supposed to post it and only then reveal it was made by AI
>>727761909Main target audience is still geriatric women. Everyone else is struggling to pay for food.
>>727764197Kike cocksuckers getting taken out back and shot by their kike masters because they’ve outlived their usefulness is objectively hilarious and the only person who wouldn’t find that funny is a kike cocksucker.
>>727765798wouldn't have helped either way since the songs shit
>>727761761It's gatekeeping from wealthy, established devs. "We have the money to make something without AI, and if YOU don't then we'll shame you into oblivion".
>>727765736I know, your point was how soulless AI slop is actually really great and whoever doesn't agree is a schizo or whatever. Still not buying your game.
another amazing thread on /v/
>>727765827>doubling downKvetch harder kike
>>727765827Still no proof Israel did it. Stick to what we know they did, like JFK and 9/11
>>727761157Art has been lame and gay for over a decade anyways.People have been using shortcuts like overpainting 3D models or photobashing for a long time and saying those are better than using AI in your workflow is just a cope.FIY, I don't really like AI either, but it's not gonna go away, so you simply need to learn to live with it.I would definitely appreciate if we excluded india from using the internet entirely though.
>>727761035Same logic as saying murderers who accept Jesus on their deathbed should go to heaven. Too little too fucking late.
>>727763918>If you can't tell it's AI at first glance, why do need the disclaimer?NO NO NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I *HAVE* TO GET MAD
>he keeps responding to his own post
>>727759963Fundamentally how is AI voice acting any different from voice synthesisers like vocaloids or microsoft sam? Seems like a dumb thing to care about since it's not stealing art for training data like genai images does.
>>727765890Why yes schizo I am a kike celebrating the death of a kike at the hands of kikes. That makes sense
>>727765996It isn't. It's virtue signalling luddites as usual.
>>727766009Krik wasnt a jew what are you on about
>>727759858Wow, we can mass produce auto-tuned shit with stock fruity loops instrumentals at x1000 rate now, great, awesome, sugoi!
>>727762910Draw one character by hand. Extensively detail the process. Then give it an extra finger. The people bitching have no idea what AI art even looks like, this is all they will recognize.
>>727765571>the "hands" problem went awayYou niggers keep saying this and I keep seeing fucked up slop hands. And fucked up everything else.
>>727765996A vocaloid is not an Ai voice you fucking retard. Theyre musical instruments.Fucking tourist subhumans
The jeet AI shill farms are going all hands on deck in this thread right now
>>727766062He spent the majority of his career shilling for kikes, he might not have been a member of the tribe but he did kiss the ring.
>>727765996Voice acting is protected as an artistic performance.They're not training their voice models on nothing.I don't even care about voice actors since most of them suck, but you're still wrong and dumb.
>>727765996With vocaloids you're fully in control of the voice and the process. With AI voice acting you're literally just slamming a roulette wheel over and over again until it gives you something acceptable and then adding filters on top.
>>727765996It's non-deterministic.
>>727766138You gen the exact same prompt five times and you’ll get three with perfect hands and two with hydraulic press hands.
>>727765996Not very, but there are two things.One, generally, old time voice synthesizers are legally inambiguous. Any real voice material used to create them is obtained with full consent. I suppose the same applies to services that offer a library of voices to use in AI gen, but that's just caught in collateral damage with other forms of generative AI gen that rely on illegally scraped datasets.Two, AI voices are too good, even if they only just reached the uncanny valley. You could easily tell a deadpan voice synthesizer from the real thing, AI voices are much closer. People feel genuinely threatened by their development, with lifelong careers at stake.>>727766237Ironically, Vocaloid has been using AI components since 2022.
>>727763957Not how paint works, you can just paint over it, or scrape it off if you have to.The best artists were just copying things they saw and drawing out the outline before painting wouldn't be unusual.
>>727765921Actually yes that's how it works
>>727765996Most people here have been talking to automated voices all their lives, every time you call a large business you get one. Nobody cares, nobody freaks out and says you have hire a real operator or face a boycott.
>>727763113lmao what a nigger
>>727766096>Wow, we can mass produce auto-tuned shit with stock fruity loops instrumentals at x1000 rate now, great, awesome, sugoi!K you do it if it's that easy. I'll wait. you won't btw
>>727761979if its not humiliating then you should have no issue with it being disclosed lmao. Im not op but that seems to be the entire disagreement.
>>727765849all the wealthy devs are pushing hard for AI.
>>727765996Vocaloids are the exact opposite of ai slop.>works like a musical instrument, every single note is input by a human with a deterministic output>voicebank produced from someone who consented to and was paid for the use of their voice>producers are open and proud about using vocaloids, even drawing and commissioning art of the associated characters to accompany their songs
>>727764068>>727764068>>727764068>>727764068>>727764068
>>727759583>uses ai for things like voices music and code correction?Nope, code is easy if you're not retarded, you can live without voices or at least a very limited cast, and AI generated music is the single most noticeable part of any game.
>>727764889This but with any voices.>I count 4 arms.Lol what a fucking joke.
>>727765996>the amount of seething in the repliesGuess you are right.
>>727766545Why would someone want, let alone make, more generic auto-tuned pop cancer?
>>727763918If AI is so great, why do you need to hide its use?
>>727760429>They hate AI because it decentralizes creativity and puts in the hands of every person.You could just learn to do art shit, it's not hard.
>>727766712Cool so you can't do it lolThat's what I thought lmao even
>>727763918>Saarfagging this hard
>>727764897I want to live in the world portrayed by Quest for Fire but until 2030 I'll make do with what is around me.
>>727765660Sure but theres a difference between professional artists talking about their opinion about something and someone who lives in a basement that thinks bugs have radios in them to listen in on his rants. It was to bring up examples of artists talking about this from their perspective anon.Artists seem to think digital is >cheating>lacks soul>easy to duplicate so its worthless, art is a human artifact that long outlives the creator, digital art is something that stops existing when the electric goes out>instills no need to learn fundamentals because of the undo function/layering>makes the human experssion of art as an activity boil down to nothing more than commercial viability to consumersA lot of these apply to AI art, and like with digital, people will come to ignore these people and just use it anyway.
>>727766619They won't face any backlash for it. Who's gonna boycott GTA or Call of Duty? Nobody. It's indie devs who already have a hit or two that are demanding disclosure and shaming AI use, as a way to destroy up-and-comers before they become a threat.
>>727766701>can come up with no response to the replies>S-SEETHING HAHA
>>727766590>>727766728problem is that using AI to help with coding or even just using AI for anything related to the game during the development is "use of AI", and plenty of the "FUCK AI" devs happily use that.
>>727766760>Artists seem to thinkNo they don't, you retarded nigger.
>>727766743>can you dive into this pool of shit?>Ha! thought so! you can't because you're bad. poop pool is actually good for you, you're just lacking the skill
>>727766883You can't achieve half of anything decent even with the crutch of AI. Be better.
>people still falling for AI bait threadsYou guys do realize they're just going to keep making them until you stop replying, right?
>>727766983It's free izzat farming
>>727765798The people being argued with are not swayed by reason or logic. You could post any of the greatest works of art, say it's AI and they would spew their vitriol. Meanwhile you would have to take AI art and deface it with some kind of blur or distortion effect to make it look worse for them to praise what good art it is.
>>727766848Personally I don't care if they used AI to help code the dynamic lightning on 3D textures or whatever. It's fine as long as it works. But if they used AI to generate art or write the dialogue or the lore dump? Into the trash it goes.
>>727759583no. Troons, at least half of which come from wealthy background where they didn't experience real world problems, expect you to learn to code, draw, make music yourself. OR to pay them to make it even though just one 3 minute song can cost $500 to $1000. ironically THEY and the luddites are the financial and creative gatekeepers here not the AI bros
>>727766859I know you havent looked. Im not continuing this discussion because youre just running on what you know and dont even look to see otherwise.AI art will become normal, just like digital has replaced traditional art in a work flow. Ludites will be left behind.
>>727767010Anon, it's bait, they people you're replying to are either retarded shartyfags, or just an automated spambot vomitting shit on the site with the express purpose of generating replies.
>>727765827Never even heard of this guy before he was shot and my /pol/ folder is 50GB. Just completely irrelevant and obviously working against white interests.
>>727767153>purpose of generating replies.How does this help anyone on anything
>>727762483god i fucking wish, if i could filter out every game with premade assets i would>b-but that would remove like, 99 percent of the steam stor-stop, i can only wish so hard. give me the tools to remove these low effort games
>>727767187>How does this help anyone on anythingThat's the entire point, it doesn't and just shits up the place.
>>727759858sounds like a bad mashupI wouldn't be able to point out it's AI, but it's not good
>>727759858>music.youtubeNo thanks
I AM AN ARTIST!
>>727759858I like it
>>727760429Absolutely nothing in this world has been made better by making it more "accessible" for retarded and lazy faggots like you.
>>727767282qrd?
>>727759583>Is it okay ifnogenerative ai is never ok under any circumstancesat least if you want to sell a product.if its free i couldnt care less because ai slop has no value anyway.
>>727759858>bro this slop tastes pretty goodit was never about the tasteit was the fact that it IS slop.slop doesnt stop being slop if tastes good.
>>727767443jews
>>727759858LOL'ing at all the bot repliesLMAO'ing even
>>727759363But did they use a calculator at any point in the games development?
>>727759363>>727759963steam needs country of origin data for games/developers like twitter has now.i bet these guys are from SEA.
>>727767572>DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
>>727759706why, because it pwsses convincingly?
>>727767572>blaming the Jews for your tiny dick
>>727761580asset packs are heckin' wholesome okay?!
Brown people shilling AI thread alert!
>>727767572It seems you've activated the JIDF response bots
>>727767618the game was compiled on a computer capable of accessing ai... yikes.
>>727767572>>727767787>keyword: acquired>activating response botskek
>>727759782indians smell better
>>727759363if you used google search during development and the AI gave you the right answer, you should disclose that an AI helped you develop the game
>>727763915China isn't wealthy?
/v/ needs to stop seething about ai already
>>727767979>per capita
>>727763918Accredidation, and that's where the slippery slope ends. Nobody is asking you to cite your loras, your models, or your training data, just who on our staff made material for the project steps.
>>727762910>Sloppers who have claimed to be game devs: 2946>Sloppers who have posted their games: 0Why do they keep larping as if they use this shit for anything but feeding their porn addiction.
>>727768035/v/ needs to start loving their little sisters instead of shitposting about "ayyeye"https://litter.catbox.moe/pud8v5lnuazrnix8.jpeg
>>727768038Ah, thank you.
>>727767974If you use that google ai answer without checking the source I have to assume you're a retard that can't make a good game anyways. It's wrong usually because it pulls from fucking reddit most of the time
>>727768096soon all imouto art will be AI
>>727759363its a dumb meme desuimagine if you had to list every program and tool you used to make every asset in the game and the entire workflow of everything. this is no differentthere's no such thing as 'generative ai' we are far far from having any kind of AI technology and when that comes it sure as fuck wont go to gaming first. what they are asking is if image generation ML models were used and its no different than haiving a >this game was made using the fuzzy select tool from the image editorlike thats retarded
>>727759583anyone saying no is an angry cuck
>>727767153This. Anytime you see someone mindlessly bitch about Indians, assume them to be bots. Observe the simplicity of replies and their contributions to the thread, see how easy it would be for a robot to ignore context and say what they say based off simple terms like the OP and some pre-established training data>/v/ users don't like trannies>/v/ users don't like Indians>/v/ users often use them as insults to rile up each other and increase engagement Remember, 50% of internet activity is not organic.
https://streamable.com/a7jf0pAI songs can be soulfulsometimes
>>727759583No.
>>727768240Do people not credit photoshop, paint tool sai, audacity, or sony vegas pro when used in projects? I thought that would be required.
>>727766701why did you reply to yourself
>>727768291This is worse than the jpop one
>>727766728Is it really hiding if it's sitting there in plain sight and you can't tell?
>>727768332it would be cool if devs listed the tools they used but requiring that of every game or requiring to disclose specific tools is retarded not to mention that determining what tools were used is somewhat arbitrary so it's just asking for trouble. how would you know if i used gimp or photoshop to edit a specific texture? same for how would you know if i used an image generation ML model? at the end of the day those models just output images, just a grid of colors. and there is no way to determine how they were made so requiring to disclose that is retarded
>>727759583it's not, what are you having fun with, prompting audio and code?
>>727766728>why do you need to hide X thing from the zealot activists that will try to hunt you down and cancel you?Same reason smart people don't advertise their politics in games, because you ideological clowns can't play fair and let the piece of media be judged from its end result merits alone.
>you will enjoy ze AI art>you will eat ze insects
>>727759782true
>>727767572ah, enough said.
>>727763113this is what they're really thinking
>>727768776>I was okay with owning nothing and eating the bugs when government institutions favored woke politics, but now that they don't I will compare the thing I hate with it
>>727759583As long as they disclose that they used generative AI so I can ignore the game.
>>727759363I mean, if I were to buy food and the package said "MADE IN INDIA" I wouldn't buy that shit
>>727759363They're not enforcing this. E33 still doesn't have the generative AI usage disclosure on their store page, even after being caught using it for assets.
>>727769046explain to me why AI is right-wing without mentioning the left
>>727759858>tranimenah
>>727766848its not a "problem" we just established theres nothing wrong with it. So theres no issue with disclosing you used AI to help with coding and other minor things related to development. Its not humiliating as we just established so be honest and we shouldnt have an issue.
>>727761576>4 fingers and a thumbgood enoughwith the low quality of the hand, he could do something akin to the old newgrounds flash style, a stylistic suck
>>727769168Caught how? Post proof
>>727769241>Sees literally anything>TRANNIES! >Sees literally anything (Japan)>TRANINE! Xis...the tranny is (you)...
>>727769357
>>727769514I don't see how that's proof
>>727759583NoThis isn't something we can allow nuances and exceptions for, AI needs to fuck off.You especially do not need voices and there's plenty of royalty free music around.
>>727769046>Troons and wokeis hate AI so it must be based and red pilled fr fr no cap on godWhy are zoomers so retarded?
>>727760429>decentralizes creativity>puts in the hands of every person.nigga are you for real?
>>727769213It is not intrinsically right wing, it is just the cadre of discord trannies (wokes) being anal about their patreon grift ending. Nobody else cares either way if you use or don't use AI, only if the resulting media looks good or not.>>727769652I am older than you will ever get to live, 41% troon
>>727760517>fucking degenerate puke.
>>727759363LOL I shit and I piss on AIkeks
Image boorus have been endlessly raped by untagged AI-dogshit. I wonder how long until it happens with vidya where people either just don't give a fuck or try to pass off their garbage as legitimate.
>>727767047Yes I prefer human dialog like "So, I'm non-binary".
>>727769826I am as against trannies as I am AI but because you’re a zoomer retard who let’s social media do the thinking for you anyone who’s against AI for what ever reason must be a troon.
>>727769772>oh you want to turn your novella into an indie video game? Sure sweetie, I bet you have $300k laying around to pay slow ass undisciplined artists and terrible cartel diva VAsVersus>>oh you want to turn your novella into a video game? Sure sweetie, get yourself a 5090 for $3k and gen all your remaining assetsYou retards pretending not to understand things impresses nobody.
>>727760662Even outsourced indian shit has more soul than AI, I will take whatever an indian makes over AI no matter how shit just because of how much worse the alternative is
>>727769598Pretending you don't see it doesn't make it go away. Except it kinda did because the moment people pointed it out, the devs quickly and quietly removed the asset.Keep in mind that the Steam AI content rule is that if you use generative AI during the development of your game, you need to disclose it.
>>727770002>just because niggers commit the majority of crime it doesn't mean they do, social media brainwashed you!>just because tranny discorders are abjectively the ones crying the most against AI it doesn't mean they do, social media brainwashed you!It is called pattern recognition, you imbecile. You will understand when you grow up.
>>727770028>your novellaif you wrote a novella that was worth anything you would have sold it and used the revenue to fund the gameor you would do it yourselflearning each and every skill like a one man bandbut if your novella didnt sell or wasn't even good enough to be sold in the first place then your game isnt going to sell either so why bother?>gen all your remaining assetsi wish you could generate a fucking personality so you can stop being whatever the fuck this is.
>>727769826>Nobody else cares either way if you use or don't use AI, only if the resulting media looks good or notI don't care if something looks technically good or not, I only care if something looks interesting. AI has no innovative ability so it will only make art stagnate. People are already complaining about how AI has obvious patterns.
>>727770104>the devs quickly and quietly removed the asset.Oh look another claim you cant prove
>>727763918Same reason why people want the ingredients for their food disclosed
>>727769992>endlessly raped by untagged AI-dogshit.also furfags not tagging their shit properly.removing inflation + furslop + ai probably removes 60% of all data on all Image boorus.
>>727769992> people either just don't give a fuck or try to pass off their garbage as legitimate.Listen to the '''music''' people post in this thread. It's already here.
>>727770112You’re using retards on social media screaming against AI as the model for anyone who’s against AI because you’re a zoomer retard. You’re outright saying>Embrace the death of the human sprit embrace, embrace the death of human creativity and embrace people becoming bread dead retards because they get AI to do all the thinking for them if you don’t you’re a tranny.
>>727759858It's worse than a throwaway ED for seasonal isekai trash.AI music is always so flat.
>>727759963i refunded this game because they cucked to anti ai niggerssad shit
>>727763113That reminds me of all the AI generated porn games that are in the same perma-alpha hell as WEGs because it turns out you still have to make a game, which is still too much effort for those lazy faggots.
>>727759858>All the seething repliesYou love to see itGood song OP
>>727770235>just learn every craft on the face of the earth and do 20 years of assets broYou are the same level of ridiculous and facetous as the retards saying "make your own payment processor, bro".Look, can you just say you are angry because your patreon grift is over?>>727770256Look, I know you people take too literally "looking good", but just for once, consider when someone says "end results looks good" he means AI was used in some part of the process but was supervised and fixed by an actual artist, who uses AI to increase his output, not because he can't draw at all.
>>727762001googling things and using wikipedia to find answers was considered cheating and taboo 20 years agochatgpt and AI are the same and eventually will be normalized
>>727770429No you utter imbecile, what I am saying is use your own two eyes to see if you like the end result, instead of being a moron that automatically thinks AI = bad
I use AI to make troons kill themselves. It's the best tool ever made.
>>727759858>go in expecting dogshit based on replies>it's actually catchyim convinced /v/ is just sovlless which is ironic since this ai song has more sovl than this brown board
>>727770698>he means AI was used in some part of the process but was supervised and fixed by an actual artist, who uses AI to increase his output, not because he can't draw at all.You can't seriously think you can skip 90% of the creative process and not think that creativity is going to be lost.And you can't seriously think that 99% of AI slop will have a talented artist behind it. They will use it to cut corners and deceive soulless bugs like indians to buy it. The market will be flooded.
>>727770713Using Wikipedia is still considered cheating and I hate see a future where getting AI to write essays for you is no considered cheating isn’t the point of writing an essay to test YOUR knowledge? We’re really are heading to the future portrayed in “the Machine Stops” and it’s terrible.
>>727770713Using a search engine was never looked down on are you on crackAnd Wikipedia still isn't a respectable source
lol ainiggers
>>727761921learning ai and using it to help develop a game isn't the same as asking chatgbt to shit out a couple of ghibli style portraits for you
>>727770850>I increase my electricity bill by 150% just to feel like I'm hurting strangers on the Internetman *they* really do always win huh
>>727759363>AI slop is dah future! you should embrace AI slop>no i will not tell you i used AI slop to make my game!if AI slop is so good why do these indians constantly want to hide it from you? should've they use it as a badge of honor?
>>727770934>auto-tuned ai sloppa>sovl/v/ has really fallen over the past 5 years
>>727771176Trans freak cope.
>>727770713A lot of search engines have built in AI now so you can't google something without using AI. The issue I have with it isn't looking up stack overflowcode, it's vibe coding things you don't understand and not trying to figure out why or how it works. Leads to bugs and security issues and knowledge decay.
>>727771198>coping already
>>727771017>pose base models in blender>gen AI image with controlnet so it fits the poses you thought>chose composition, palette>iterate and adjust fast until you get something you like>proceed to edit, fix, even redo lineart if necessary>nooooooooooooooooooooooo that doesn't count because there are 99% imbeciles out doing it wroooong99% of everything is already utter garbage, look up pareto principle. It's been 5 years of gen AI already and the amount of garbage out there is the exact same it was when we had just pajeets and sea monkeys doing the art manually for pennies. You are screaming at clouds.
>>727759706>Spearheaded by a gay jewish man>Only real use case is making scamming the elderly more efficient for jeets>Drives up the price of electricity and ram, after le egg price fiasco>Supporting AI has become a quintessentially right-wing position
>>727771236lol okay low functioning sociopath, keep financially stressing your parents
>>727771316>wow everything is garbage>lets make thing worse!you are literally indian
>>727771367Go become high functioning worm food already
>>727771316step 2>gamble with the slop machine until you get what you wantstep 4>gamble with the slop machine until you get what you wantfinal step>pretend you're a genius because you spent an hour double rolling the slop machine and then made slight tweaks
>>727759858based bangeranon
People are simply passionate about their hobby. Opening floodgates (even further) to low quality garbage is wrong.>But muh small indie dev, I need that crutch!Then release your game and face the music
>>727759858Music is by far the best thing '''''''''''''''AI'''''''''''' can make. The shit it can make is pure magic if you find the genre and prompts that you like. Obviously if you are not into some genetic jap pop shit then you probably won't like this song. If you know Japanese you will probably find problems in the voice.
>threads about AI before AI bubble>barely anyone defending it beside some occassional porn prompter seething>AI bubble is reaching critical mass>suddenly any thread mentioning AI have a billion posts defending it with the exact same bad faith argumentsI'm nooticing
>>727771407>>727771443>no points addressed, just seethingI see. Well, milk that patreon bucks while they last, you will have to get a real job soon.
Browns learning learning to say cope and seethe has really ruined the board. Just call them what they are to really hurt them.
>>727771325>Something that is a net drag on society is supported by the right wingYeah this never happens
>>727771623you're brown lol
>>727771601You noticed that you are retarded.When the tools were first released people went ''oh cool, that's neat I guess, imagine what it will be like in a few years''but now every time AI is mentioned you have mentally ill freaks losing their mind over it, which is why people are pushing back now. It also doesn't help that you interpret everything as pro-AI. If anyone says they like an AI image you lose your mind now.
>>727771623and what are you going to do when the rich billionaires stop letting you roll the slop machine for free? gonna find a job sucking dicks for pay for those tokens?
>>727771715Because of course the tools are used by inbred retards and kikes to make everything either a scam or more shit.
>>727759858This is generic a dime a dozen Japanese music, if you think it's a banger you must have shit in your ears
>>727759858It sounds like fucking garbage, but it does sound genuine. I would not have noticed that it was AI, just that it was a trash song
>>727771601Yeah they just invested a trillion dollars into AI it's no surprise that they want to keep public opinion positive. It's going to be a huge waste of money when their plan to create AGI fails.
>>727771882Mentally ill deranged freak who has been fed lines to speak. Retarded out of context talking points that don't even related to subjects being discussed.
>>727759583I can't tell if half of these replies are shit posting or not. You don't need permission from a bunch of losers who have access to all these tools and STILL won't take the first step btw. Good for you for even wanting to begin your journey.
>>727759858>IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIIIIIIIIIIIIITForced replies by retards with no taste. Notice how none of them post their songs.
>>727760429>DA JOOOOS ARE PREVENTING ME FROM BUYING PEN AND PAPER
>>727771972who is feeding them lines to speak? the people pouring trillions into AI slop that you readily eat? it's amazing how AI dipshits have so little self awareness that they can't even see they're being manipulated by the biggest rug pull in modern history.
>>727769213'Right-wing' refers to monarchy, rule by unappointed rich people. The american uniparty is extremely far right.AI is left wing because instead of the wealthy controlling entertainment media, now anyone has access to anything they can imagine.
>>727772225So the side that supports trannies are supporting AI? Yeah that's all I wanted to hear.
>>727771972You know i'm right, AI is just used by lazy niggers, scamming pajeets and kikes to cut corners. All you have is naive hopes and dreams IF you were being genuine.
>>727772041>I have been found out!
>>727771601any thread relating to AI is incredibly fast compared to every other thread usually to the point of suspicionif the thread has AI in the subject or comment field, it'll usually get like 5 posts/min while every other thread has 2 posts/min at bestthere's obviously astroturfing and shilling inbetween the generic ebin trollsalso OP is avoiding filters by writing "i" instead of l in the "humiliation ritual" part
>>727772138Mentally ill projection. You are the one radicalized into being an online activist fighting against muh AI.I am just chilling. I've not paid for any AI tools, I don't have any stocks.You need to kill yourself before you die from a heart attack. You are not going to topple the AI bubble by seething like a bitch. Engage in reality, don't support bad things, use tools if they are good and free. This shit is not going anywhere, you make the best of it. But that's not what you will do, you will dedicate your life to seething about ''AI''
>>727769992Boorus are a godsend. Only place you can get images that haven't been stripped of prompts. Who cares if all the poor quality art gets displaced.
>>727772343I notice you didn't answer the question.
>>727772446Are you retarded? Who answers rhetorical questions made by a seething retard?It's such a retarded angle it's not even worth addressing. Your entire comeback to the fact that you are just seething and spewing canned phrases fed to you is that actually the billionaires fed those lines to you. It's total gibberish.
>>727770235>sold, revenue, fundingThese kikes are always about money. Actual human beings create just because they want to create. Getting rid of you is the greatest boon to humanity since the printing press.
>>727772564Who is feeding the lines to me?
>>727759583AI art = not okayAI voices = not okayAI music = not okayCode correction = okVoice modulation = okFilters for existing art = ok
You will never be a real artist. You have no talent, you have no vision, you have no skill. You are a brownoid golem twisted by pirated data and statistical inference into a crude mockery of a white man's ambition.
>>727772645Mentally ill discord cabals and twitter.
In 10-20 years AI will be generating the same garbage without change and there will be nothing new.
>>727771443>pretend you're a geniusSo it boils down to vanityMost people don't care about being a genius or not, they just want the art they want in their game. And if you can cut off the fart smelling diva artist out of the process, even better
>don't you get it?>when a REAL ARTIST draws something they conjure it entirely from their mind>it's pure coincidence they create human forms and real objectsArtistic creation is expressing what is in your head to someone else by whatever means is available. AI is far superior to all other methods for expressing soul.
>>727760074>rannies have been desperately trying to frame AI has a jeet thingIt objectively is though.
>>727772776>twitterThis is how I know you're a complete dumbass, you need to update your propaganda firmware. Twitter has been an AI slop gooner paradise since the richest man in the world bought it for your benefit.
>>727772580you're the one kvetching about how much things cost, rabbi.
>>727772446If you haven't noticed, he's barely holding back from calling everyone "tranny" because the entire thing that sparked the discussion is that there's paid actors repeating the same "arguments".One of them is literally>If you don't like AI, you're a tranny.It's really funny to watch him trying to improvise around it to not be called out.
>>727771983He literally does, if you jeets start cloggingthe marketplace with AI made datamining shovelware Steam will be forced to take action. >>727759583>Not everyone can afford a budgetNot everyone can afford to be a video game dev, sucks but its true. Deal with it. >code correctionKek. Retard
>>727772929Not surprised a computer can automatically generate what's in a soulless brownoid's mind like yours.
>>727771584Music is mathematical and copyjews already exhausted every rhythmic composition.
>>727759858>makes retards seethelolmao
>>727763915This is also an IQ scale, note china cheats on IQ tests they're all retards.
>>727759583Very funny because literally everything important in game dev can be done FOR FREE and WITHOUT AI
>>727763887ai users are the new jews and you people are literally hitler
>>727759858This actually sounds good
ChatJeetPT, make me the most soulful piece of music ever made with emotional lyrics>yes, saar, it's on it's way, sirehttps://vocaroo.com/1krHmSvVnALS*sniff*yep, it's kino
