Prime 4 has many issues but I don’t know why people think he’s one of them.>Great fights and nice theme >Backstory amplifies that he’s an asshole. He didn’t need to be sympathetic and it’s better than some bullshit like being Samus’ secret brother. >He is still alive, so are the other Feds presuming he doesn’t kill them. Space Pirates were unseen on Viewros and there’s likely still an entire army of them corrupted under his control back home along with all those Metroids. Samus will probably want to find and rescue the soldiers, or at least detain Sylux. That’s also assuming he doesn’t just juice up on the psychic powers and go warp to her or something.
>>727764728He was never gonna live up to literally over a decade of buildup but he was good for what he was. He’s like Samus’ Reverse Flash kinda lol
>>727764728Being boring and unremarkable is arguably worse than being offensively bad.
mogged by a literal who bird that came out of nowhere with no buildup and stole the show in Dread
>>727766168He didnt steal the show. He was the whole goddamn circus
>>727764728The whole game's story is lame and boring nothing burger. Which is a shame, but I'm surprised that Sylux wasn't anything more, it's like a staple for these things to be crazy in Prime. Especially with the success of Ravenbeak.I don't mind him, his incredible rage at Samus is cool, his fight is awesome, but he so unfounded, and it's so insanely unwarranted that it's boring.Compare it to Samus' rage at Ravenbeak, she has every reason for her interactions with him by the end.
>>727764728the game didn't have enough sylux actuallyfuck the doombots. should have spent the whole stupid fed storyline and VA all on sylux. all the feds should have been sylux in disguise. which would end in sylux revealing himself and confronting samus. the game should have had random sylux encounters like in hunters and the prime pirate fights. sylux's theme should have played in the desert. sylux should have hacked samus's visor and constantly reminds her of the mission objectives every hour or so.
The plan was to have Metroid Prime 5 have you fight all of the federation soldiers you left behind and kill them after Sylux experimented on them and made them insane. But thats not happening anymore as Prime 5 is cancelled.
>>727764728Sylux is like Infinite from Sanic, both are "potential man".
Raven Beak came just before him and he was too good.
You can tell they had no idea what to do with him and he's only there because Tanabe demanded it considering you just have 3 boss fights with him, two having zero dialog or context, and he only fucks with you twice in a way any local computer could have.
>>727766430kino tbdesu
>>727766168>zero buildup>zero backstory>exudes maximum cool factor every time he appears on screen>generates about 10 billion memes>all his dialogue goes extremely hardGod they really knocked it out of the fucking park with Raven Beak, I still can't believe how Dread managed to be so good after such a long wait.
>>727764728So who is his backer? Who gave him his enhancements, weapons, and super ship when he was just some rando feddie grunt? How did he make contact with the pirates? How did he clone a metroid? Why does no one know who he is, when he should be on Feddie records? Why didn't Samus kill him the first time she met him?
>>727768279COMPARED TO METROID PRIME 2 WHERE YOU COULDN'T STEP 2 PACES WITHOUT SEEING SOMETHING THAT DARK SAMUS FUCKED UP AND YOU'RE CONSTANTLY REMINDED OF HER PRESENCE THROUGH FIRST-PERSON CUTSCENES OR OUTRIGHT GETTING YOUR ASS HANDED TO YOU BY HERCOINCIDENTLY ENOUGH YOU ACTUALLY ONLY FIGHT HER THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIMES YOU FIGHT SYLUX IN PRIME 4 BUT IT SURE FEELS LIKE SHE WAS BREATHING DOWN THE BACK OF YOUR NECK THE ENTIRE GAME AND YOU NEVER COULD REALLY TELL WHAT DARK CORNER SHE WOULD POP OUT FROM NEXT
>>727768969>>zero buildup>>zero backstorydid you forget the jumpscare in SR?
the ridley fight was pretty cool!
>>727769230anon I think you're propping up DS too much. I've just played prime 2 and she's a random goober that tramples the pirates and after jobbing to me she insists of coming back for more and shitting phazon everywhere.she's also a cunt that broke a bridge that I needed to walk with.
>>727764728He's on screen for 3 minutes. Jobs horribly the first time you see him. The next two times you see him you fight which are great but then it wasn't actually him it was some robot that is shockingly competent and disguised itself to look like Sylux. This is never explained btw. Then at the end you finally 1v1 the real guy and it's good and he's unhinged growling at Samus and she says NOTHING. It's absurdThat's actually my biggest problem with the game. The desert is fine, the npcs don't bother me but if they're gonna be there Samus needs to respond to them when they speak to her. Her silence never once comes across as cool or mysterious, it makes her look unprofessional, disrespectful, socially awkward and oblivious
>>727764728Backstory deflated all hype. The fights were easy and boring, kids in Hunters playing Sylux were more threatening than anything he could do in Metroid Prime 4
>>727770348He literally steals your fucking energy tanks you faggot
This game is literally just them building him up for Prime 5
>>727771863the Hunters bot instagibbed you with Lockjaw. they defanged sylux.
>>727769590You didn't play the game, sounds like you think you did, but you didn't.
>>727771947>This dumb retard faggot is comparing a touch of death multiplayer arena shooter combat to actual single player game mechanics
>>727772172nta but he's rightsylux was never going to live up to the hype because he was introduced as a pvp character first and foremosteven his hunters encounters in solo were more memorable than anything in prime 4
>>727772084>NUH UHHH YOU DIDN'T PLAY THE GAMEyou can't unfuck the Inggers, nerd. Stop worshipping that neon cunt's fat futa dick.
>>727771947>>727772394Oh, im talking with retards who didn't even play the fucking game. I'm on my hard mode run now, and Sylux bot 2's Grapple lightning fight is pure kino, and his final phase of the final boss almost made up for alot of the game's bull shit.If this game has anything right, it's boss encoutners.
>>727772625>this responseSounds like i was right.
>>727772716you're not going to save this thread with shitposting anon
>>727772651But Samus does go apeshit, and isn't super nice? She just doesn't unleash her power on the people she likes, kind of like Doomguy. She shows no mercy to space pirates, and has committed multiple genocides on other species.Doomguy would have tolerated the feddie circus brigade of Prime 4 like Samus did.
>>727772651Didn't samus canonically kill more things than doom slayer?
>>727773029>>727773910Look at Samus' suit design.Think in context.
>>727764728>Samus’ secret brother.That's Captain Falcon.
>>727774003Cpt. Falcon is older than Samus' mom anon.
Why does his AI seem more advanced in hunters? The final fight is him spamming super long telegraphed attacks, I was genuinely floored seeing how easy it is, and I'm talking in comparison to a fucking DS game here
>>727764728Isn’t his backstory that he was the only one saved by Samus and bitter as a result That is an utterly retarded story
>>727774418Hunters controlled surprisingly well
>>727774687He seems like a bastard out for power, he got his squad killed in his pursuit of power, then Samus swoops in and obliterates said power almost instantly.To me it seems like he's extremely jealous of her and cares little for anything else. I'm not sure why he hates the Gfeds at all. I'm impressed how little the devs had to show to make this work, and they some how did even less than that.
>>727774687We don't really know what he is so angry about, but considering the cutscene looks like a pretty typical, PTSD soldiers seeing his buddies getting killed.I think it's safe to assume he is angry that Samus didn't make it on time to save everyone, and that the Feddies sent him and his squad to a kill zone.Joining the Pirates makes him look like a utter retard though.
>>727774830That is the worst possible story imaginable
>>727775038You're entirely wrong. He doesn't care about his soldiers at all.He's most angry at his powerlessness in the wake of Samus' overwhelming power.
>>727775038Did he join them or is he controlling them with the metroids? How did he gain control of these metroids? Why are all of the bosses fused with metroids yet you don't see them anywhere else in the entire game?
he's also a time traveler btw. the cutscene for his backstory shows the federation force mechs. if you actually played that game you'd know they were invented in 20x6, prime 4 taking place in 20x9. its clear they had that in mind when working on this game, else they wouldnt have mentioned the timeframe. sylux's backstory specifically contradicts most if not all major events relating to samus and sylux.
>>727775274federation force's ending shows him stealing the metroid. it's genuinely the most important game in the lore as of right now. see also: >>727776565
Why is she not wearing this suit in metroid 2?
>>727774418Hunters was insanely good for a DS game
>>727776565>prime 4 taking place in 20x9.I wouldnt take any of the dates into account as this game is supposed to take place before Super and Other M but if you take that date as accurate then it takes place after super and other m. They clearly just dont give a fuck.
>>727777202Because she loses that suit in that cut scene you posted that pic from
>>727774418Metroid Prime bosses have always had pretty telegraphed attacks, but Sylux in particular is kind of underwhelming. He has an up close lunge attack that gives you plenty of time to react when it should be something that catches you off guard.
>>727777202Because the Prime games are fanfics.
>>727777202>>727778448Because play the fucking game.
>>727768279Just like Dark Samus, who ended up being just as much a let down after the Prime 1 cliffhanger.
>>727779319Nigger shut the fuck up. Tallon IV is a complete story, it introduced it's lore and closes it thoroughly. Don't speak if you have no comprehension of story structure and story telling. Having a hook for a sequel doesn't mean it's a cliffhanger you fuck tard.
Yea I enjoyed him. It's funny to thing some random federation soldier got his entire squad murdered by disobeying orders, blamed Samus for it as a cope, and used that rage as motivation to become a bounty hunter on the level of end game Samus with just some shitty modified federation power armor.Hope Prime 5 explores more of his origin and how exactly he got that strong
>>727777202Like 3 seconds after your screenshot she takes out the psychic gem which projects the suit upgrades.That's what every upgrade is, it's a psychic projection.
>>727780783What retard said this is what happened and everyone accepted it as fact?Sylux never have a shit about his soldiers.
>Lamorn have the ability to instantly teleport to another world>They didn't do this to evacuate and start fresh on a new planetI hate bad writers more than anything.At least the Tallon IV Chozo took responsibility for their fate.
>>727764728His given backstory is about the most retarded shit I've ever seen.>Samus broke my toy waaaaahFuck the hell off millennials.
>>727781215It did seem dumb that the 17 lamorn who left all went to different planets Like I guess they just accepted extinction or some shit? It's an odd hook to allow them to potentially show up in future games
>>727781395Has nothing to do with the big giant nuke laser, he just wanted to feel powerful and special, he failed horribly, and watched Samus come in and sweep up the space pirates like they're a joke.He's jealous and insecure, and hates her for having what he can't have
>>727781215I thought that they didn't develop teleportation until after they were basically extinct. Actually what is the progression of events? My understanding isRegular Lamorns Machine age where they got really into motorcycles for some reasonExpedition into the volcano where they discover green energy and accidentally trigger an extinction event They do experiments in the ice lab until they realize the situation is hopelessTurn to psychic powers and live the rest of their species life in the psychic age
>>727780996You don't know if he gives a shit or not since the story is so badly executed that we don't get any detailing on anything he thinks about that situation at all
>>727781848"Orders sir?""Get ME that weapon."You can tell exactly what kind of person Sylux is from this short moment.
>>727781591I was worried that it was just going to be a sob story from what everyone was saying at first, but I prefer him being just some Gfed wagie who is an asshole that was pissed off at Samus for taking all the glory.
>>727782063I would be fine with it if he were a new character, but 16 years of building up for "he's just some random jealous asshole and he doesn't even talk to Samus or anyone so he doesn't get any chemistry or personality" being the outcome is ultra shit. Everything about this game feels underwhelming outside of graphical fidelity.
>>727781591Why does Samus look to be sympathetic to him after getting memory pilled?
>>727782601Because Samus is kind.
>>727764728I wish there were more moments of him being a cunt for the sake of it like the flare pool segments
>>727782601Because the game is badly written.
>>727777780I take the dates being mentioned here as like, them being relevant specifically for FedForce and Prime 4. the point with the dates, and the main thing that matters, is that it's been 3 years since Federation Force, and that Sylux has spent those 3 years researching his stolen metroids, raiding federation bases and that's it. It's also relevant for the 100% cutscene, which shows Sylux..... Fighting alongside federation mechs, meeting samus in the ship she's been using for the past 3 years, and meeting her for the first time.Either this cutscene takes place in the past 3 years, which can't be the case, because Sylux was elsewhere, or it takes place in the future. Either way. Sylux has to be a time traveler for the cutscene to work. There is no other way for the cutscene to be able to happen.
>>727769653>it makes her look unprofessional, disrespectful, socially awkward and obliviousbecause samus is all thatshe got too used to solo bounty hunting to go back to fed work
>>727783130You are putting too much thought into it. Samus' ship for example was likely just a matter of them not having time to do a new asset for an older ship.
>>727769230Sylux fucked up Prime 4 too. All but one of the bosses were corrupted by his Metroids and he was in control of the robots
>>727782267His backstory was never meant to be built up or hidden that’s just Tanabe’s autism. Hunters devs at NST made his backstory during that game
>>727785472We never see any Metroids, nor ANY other metroid infected enemies in the entire game. Yet Sylux somehow knew to get to the exact key locations to infect every single guardian with Metroid Fusion?This game is fucking retarded.
>Sylux probably: I need more POWER.
>>727785698Scanning the pod he comes out of at the end says it gave the user full control ocrrr the tower and its mechanisms so I assume that’s how he had robot clones and moved his Metroids into certain areas. Either that or the Metroids were just teleported closer to some bosses. It is kind of retarded but he still did have an impact on the game which is my point.
>>727764728I think the problem is mainly the buildup more than his role itself. If this game came out a few years after Prime 3 it'd be fine. But I expect Sylux to return anyways so it's not a complete waste. Metroid only shuts the book on characters if they get killed and even that isn't enough sometimes.
I don't know my biggest problem with Sylux is that he feels so disconnected from everything else. Like he has nothing to do with Viewros or the Lamorn prophecy and shit he just accidentally ended up here and conveniently got into the tank that makes you super powerful and gives you full control over literally everything.That's just really shitty writing.
DLC where you play Sylux' pov on Viewros
>>727788060Well that was also Dark Samus in Echoes. She had nothing to do with the Ing or Luminoth she just showed up to beat your ass sometimes.
>>727789463>also Dark SamusI think that's one of the core problems with Prime 4. It seems at some point the direction had become "make it like Prime 1-3", while also having elements that are not like Prime 1-3 at all
What will you do when Metroid is taken over by Zelda fans and Metroid Prime 5, 6 and 7 are all like this and they love it?
>>727764728Sylux would've been on an operation where they got raided by space pirates, Samus would've been the only one nearby to go help them. She would've been too late to save everyone and the GF would've made her only recover Sylux for his intel. He would plead with her to go back and get his loyal men who make him feel like he's in control or something, but GF's orders left them to perish to not risk losing intel.Upon returning, Samus would've been seen as a hero despite the loss and Sylux would be reprimanded and maybe downgraded. He would hate everyone involved and grow more insane. He'd be obsessed with controlling enemy technology, he wouldn't join them because he would have too much pride. In Prime 3 he should've been the threat instead of Phaaze and the metroid prime/dark samus bullshit again. He would've made you kill your own bounty hunter friends to build resentment and it would've ended with Samus punching a hole in his helmet to show his bloodshot eyes.Prime 4 would've transitioned into Return of Samus instead.
>>727764728>great fightsAh yes I love fighting against vague flying robot man
>>727788878Multi-player mode where you could play as Samus and Sylux would be sick
>>727764728The problem with Sylux isn't just that he's the main villain nowIn a vacuum, he's fineThe problem is that he's naturally gonna be compared to Dark Samus, the SA-X, and Raven Beak as a main villain and especially as a Samus counterpartHim talking more doesn't help because him trying to smack talk while Samus gives NOTHING just makes their interactions awkward and just signals to the player Samus doesn't take him seriouslyIt's not just he's being compared to main threats either, there's also the rest of the Prime Hunters bounty hunters that he's gonna be compared toTrace fans can argue that the Krikens would've been better villainsKanden fans can argue their favorite character actually lives up to the lab experiment idea that Sylux apparently is looking less and less likely to be as.Weavel being a space pirate that was actually disfigured by Samus makes him having a grudge against Samus more compelling by default because she explicitly wronged him whereas Sylux's (possible) grudge is based on entitlement.There's also the big elephant in the room with SyluxHe's explicitly tied to the Galactic Federation who are arguably the least interesting pillar of Metroid's loreThey have their fans, Dane is cool, Anthony Higgs was the best part of Other M, etc but almost everything about them has been done better in other works of science fiction.The most interesting part of the Galactic Federation IS the signs of corruption and their attempts at recreating technology lightyears better than theirs'.Sylux can fulfill the latter but the former?Prime doesn't like to acknowledge potential Federation corruption, that's Sakamoto's focus with his side of Metroid and after Prime 4's Feds mostly fell flat at best and are outright disliked at worst don't see how you can squeeze in Sylux lore to make him more interesting aside from a bunch of convenient scans.
>>727791283I don't think the concept is that bad. If an open/vehicle area connected to just some of the stages, there was more to find, more enemies with better gameplay options, and the areas had no loading times, I think it would've been a nice part of the game. But as it is in 4, it's a bolted on segment that you're forced to engage with beyond any reason, because of the crystal quota
>>727766168Him ripping his wing off is so insanely metal it jumps the already great fight right to the top 10 metroid moments
>>727766168>>727768969>>727769297Sakomoto knew Raven Beak had to die so he went all out in making the character memorable
>>727791594The GF section in the volcano made me think that maybe there was a co-op feature at some point in the game's messy development. And then there's things like the generator clamps in Ice Belt mention needing to be opened at the same time, which you don't end up doing. Not to mention the ex-Halo devs in the team, who are probably used to taking co-op in consideration
I'm having a blast.
How hard is vinny coping when playing this on stream.
>>727792684He hasn't got to the really bad parts yet, he's still in the phase where he thinks chat is blowing things out of proportion
>>727791801The focus on Galactic Federation troopers comes from the producer Kensuke Tanabe, just like the focus on toads in Paper Mario.I think his vision might be that "normal people" make the setting more approachable
>sylux wants shock weapon from pirates>it gets blown up>he gets a shock weapon anyways It does feel pretty silly
>>727766168>No build upWasn't he built up in Samus returns?
>>727793019I don't think there even are "really bad parts", other than needing to collect crystals, which is miserable.I'd say the first half of the game is pretty great
>>727793207I find the idea of this guy being some feddie grunt just too funny to be taken seriously. Couldn't he have been a criminal that Samus busted, even have the pirate weapon get blown up too because of her, who feels absolutely pissed at how someone like her can be so much stronger than him.
>>727769297It's going to bother me forever how the Thotha look like ugly bald sparrows compared to the chad hawk look of the Mawkin.
So glad this shit's called hollowvania's now.
>>727793359Collecting crystals and the constant nags to go to places, I'm still annoyed a Miles telling me "you can go anywhere now" the first time I came out of volt forge with the viola and 5 minutes later telling me to go to a specific place instead, and then constantly calling as a reminder every few minutes while I'm trying to explore or look for shrines and upgrades
Any similarities? Hunters: https://youtu.be/JyCTfcZWQa0Prime 4: https://youtu.be/nSu_NdtmmRg
>>727793453yet they jobbed to the X, while the thoha didn't. curious
>>727768969Never underestimate short people.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYnMnX3lSbA>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuuxJx7fMNI
>>727793389I think his story is left really vague on purpose, so they can try again in 5, wishing it will have less messy development
>>727791283Are those rocks flat textures.
>>727793512Not really hearing that much of a similarity, it sounds more like they were going for something to compete with Dark Samus's theme.
>>727793512Not as far as I can notice
>>727793389It's not a TERRIBLE concept. Samus is broken by human standards, she was bound to get her own Lex Luthor or Reverse Flash.
>>727793389I think he is supposed to mirror Samus.But I think they fucked up.If they really wanted to go super cliché, my enemy is me, but went down darker path. I would have made him a member of the Space Pirates, who was a human that got adopted by them, who is super mad that Samus killed his "family". He could have joined the GF to infiltrate and be a spy for the Pirates.
Is Ridley not in Prime 4 at all?
Prime 4 has sucky parts, but I still want more. Hopefully they can get another trilogy going from here.I wonder if Retro Studios now has their shit together, or if they're imploding once again
>>727789463>Well that was also Dark Samus in Echoes.She went to the highest concentration of Phazon in the immediate area. Also we need a game and this isn't too farfetched a description, especially after we see how she travels around. You're seriously reaching if you're trying to find faulty in other primes al of a sudden.
Its hilarious to me trailers were calling Sylux her arch-rival or arch-nemesis.
Sylux was clearly originally supposed to be an alien back in Hunters. The noise he makes in the intro is alien like. https://youtu.be/mp2cHcfo8_k
>>727794124Just have him be the federation's attempt at creating their own Samus. It fails, he's kinda crazy, and has a chip on his shoulder trying to prove he is better than samus even if the experiment was considered a failure.Its super cliche but works a lot better than disgruntled federation sergeant .
>>727794431It's unknown on purpose, otherwise they would've said he was a random alien.
>>727794431That's literally a stock sound anon. I think that's fucking Bowser's stock sound actually.
>>727794603Yeah I know but its not a human noise
>>727788060Eh, Dark Samus showing up on Aether of all places without any explanation of how she knew there was Phazon there (Or rather I can't recall if the pirate logs explain it clearly) was also kind of tact on.At least with Sylux, we already know from Hunters he's an expert tracker and tactition.I don't inherently view it as terrible writing if, like Samus he's researching and plundering alien power sources the entire time she and the marines are trying to figure shit out. It's basically Hunters all over again except this time he didn't job to an eldritch horror, he found a source of great power.
>>727794431>Gfed power suit>Why wasn't he an alien???Are you retarded?
>>727794458The Galactic Federation now has two completely different versions of it.In Sakamoto's mainline games it's overreaching and often corrupt, while in Tanabe's games it's mostly naive and innocent toy soldiers that have a lot of focus on them for some reason
>>727794857Why are you being rude?
>>727772651>YOU DIDN'T PLAY IT TWICE?! THEN YOU DIDN'T PLAY IT!I would have picked hard mode for my playthrough if it let me. But I'm not playing this pile of shit a second time.
>>727794941Isnt it just different departments? Like Army vs the Navy or whatever
>>727794941Both can be true.
>>727781741The psychic powers came before the green energy showers. It was the embedded psychic gems reacting with green energy that caused the griever mutations.
>>727794431Why was Samus having trouble fighting a single Pirate?
>>727792684Vinny is a Nintendo Lifer because he makes money from Nintendo, so I doubt he will show his true feelings.
>>727795120I want to know the development process that lead to it being called green energy. It's like if phazon was called blue radiation
Why did the chozo not make a jetpack a default part of the power suit? You would think that would be very handy and easy for them to do.
>>727794941Sakamoto's direction was far more interesting and true to real life.
>>727794941Both can work, and it's displayed kinda in 3 with the aurora units supposed to be based off mother brain yet still succumbing to corruption.
>>727795373Because Mawkin can fly.
>>727764728Sylux just doesn't feel like a final boss worthy character. He should've been more like Ridley in Prime 1, a penultimate fight to tie up the loose ends of the plot before moving on to some greater and more lore relevant threat.
>>727795373I always liked how in smash bros, the little exhausts on samus's back create thrust jets for a few frames while jumping
>>727795420No it was a sloppy Aliens reference. Just like how Weyland-Yutani kept getting worse and worse and flanderized with each Alien Film, the same thing happened in Metroid.
They are going to cancel Prime 5 now arent they?
>>727793359>I don't think there even are "really bad parts"Crystal farmingFlare Pool and the mine dungeon both being straight lines where you watch cutscenes of the feds talking to you. The mine is especially egregious, there's a cutscene like every other room.Myles calling constantly, which somehow gets more frequent as the game goes on. By the time you're supposed to be looking for mech parts he instantly calls you the moment you enter the desert, every time you get near a mech part, every time you obtain a mech part, it's insane.The escort segments, especially the final boss that drags on because you have to babysit them and sacrifice time you could be shooting Sylux.
>>727791801>Him talking more doesn't help because him trying to smack talk while Samus gives NOTHING just makes their interactions awkward and just signals to the player Samus doesn't take him seriouslyThat's why I like him desu. He's a jobber who hates Samus for selfish reasons and talks a lot of shit while she beats his ass every time and doesn't take him seriously. He's very unique from the others and I like that.
>>727795569I doubt that was in the pipeline at all.Whatever the case, this game doesn't seem to be blowing up the sales charts, so Prime is probably going to be buried.
>>727795420Sakamoto's Galactic Federation is like a space goverment in a mecha anime, while Tanabe's is like a background support organization from a tokusatsu show. Giving Samus a bike makes her more like a tokusatsu hero too
>>727795569Sales matter more than anything. The game's reception isn't overwhelmingly negative to do any real harm. It just needs to sell.
>>727794765>without any explanation of how she knew there was Phazon thereShe's Metroid Prime, she's a phazon entity and phazon is all a single intelligence.
>>727795420Sakamoto's Federation also tends to be more grounded as they still use lead base weapons with bullets along with grenade launchers.
>>727795708>That's why I like him desu. He's a jobber who hates Samus for selfish reasons and talks a lot of shit while she beats his ass every time and doesn't take him seriously. He's very unique from the others and I like that.Yeah but that's unintentionalRidley is technically a jobber and so is arguably Dark Samus but nobody would go as far as to call them jobbers
>Started Hard mode>suspected it would be overtuned with how fucking tanky every single fuckign enemy is on normal mode, and how the weapons all feel weak as shit>First droid fight in Volt Forge>i was mother fucking rightFuckingf 7 missiles to kill one, they hit for fucking 69, and i only have 25 missiles and 299 hp by this point.They made progression in this game insanely unfun somehow.
>>727795569Hopefully
If Samus puts this weirdo down, is her story truly over? Maybe the move to put the spotlight onto the Feddie forces was a way of trying to expand the franchise, since Samus herself is kind of running out of steam.She got her revenge for her real parents, she dealt with the mascot of the franchise, and she protected her adopted families honor and legacy. What more can this character offer now?
>>727795525Weyland-Yutani is a corporation, not a government.
>>727795706>both being straight linesAll areas felt like a straight line. Having to walk back in the forge and ice zone with some minor changes and getting flooded by one enemy type isn't exactly exciting either.
>>727796016It's funny how Sakamoto's grounded Federation is paired with the cartoony space pirates, while the toy-like Prime federation fights the detailed and gritty space pirates
>>727794124>>727794458Sylux's flashback is so vague that people either think he stole the armor to catch up to Samus only to lose his sanity or he was actually punished for his recklessness and used as a Guinea Pig
>>727795569No, this game sold well according to what has been said by the corporations--and is well received by normalfags. We are legacy Metroid fans. Our time is over.
>>727796068>Volt ForgeMy sympathies. That was such a tedious run even in normal difficulty.
>>727796162Yeah, but I was being generous because the other areas at least have one door you pass by that you can't open yet, so you'll come back later for an upgrade. The volcano and the mines are literally cutscene corridors.
>>727796068I'm going to add and be critical, general combat with enemies feel fucking horrible, because they felt the need to lock any gun action to a 2 second cool down, and any enemy attack cancels you out of charge missiles, several enemies have extremely good dodge and mitigation skills. I'm really impressed they gave the enemies so many tools but gave Samus virtually none in this game. The only new thing i noticed is a forward and back dash.
>>727796137In the context of every Alien Film it's literally both.
>>727796208>this game sold welldid it? I didnt see anything one way or the other about sales yet
>>727796368I only consider 2D pixel-based Metroid games canon
>>727796137Anon, Mega Corporations are the government in dystopian settings, most people just don't know it.
>>727796128>What more can this character offer now?She could just go on alien planets with dead civilizations and find wacky suit upgrades forever, but these corporation-backed franchises always need to gamble with finding new and bigger audiences, or they discard the IP (until the big comeback in 15 years)
>>727796064Intentional or not I like him a lot because of it, he's a funny guy
>>727796208>>727795569>>727795728>>727795818We dont knowIt hasn't even been a week yetIf Prime 4 doesn't bomb the real questions would be if it's Retro's next game and if they listened to the criticism
>>727796449Have they said that in the Alien franchise? I don't really watch Alien movies
>>727796064You retards need top learn the definition of jobber.Dark Samus and Ridley, ALL their losses are to SAMUS and ONLY SAMUS.You put either of them against almost any other character in the series and they would very likely win.
>>727796270Flare pool is technically the most complex map cause you have one branch when you enter it first where you get the fire beam and later another one of two small rooms where you get the mecha part. However I agree it's pretty bad as whole. When I entered forge at first I still had hopes that the game might be good but when I had to return to Myles after getting the fire beam I knew it won't get any better.
>>727796519I see a bunch of twitter posts about it selling millions and since that is the negative outcome I assume those are correct. The one about 30k is so unbelievable its obviously fake.
>>727795706I hate that whenever Myles calls he hijacks the map button and I can't check where I need to explore anymore without having to sit through the map slowly showing me where the base camp is first
>>727796642Yeah, when I was in Volt Forge I really thought that we were all overreacting and it was gonna be fine, and that went out the window shortly after.
>>727796585So is Sylux sans the final boss of Prime Hunters
>>727796652They're both fake, you nimrod.
>>727796652>the negative outcomeI can't see it that way. I'm sure the devs and producers know the game is messy, and if there's a next one from the established pipeline, it's likely to be better
>>727764728As a Sylux enjoyer I was definitely happy to see how buffed he is at the end. All his abilities are modifications to his suit + some psychic shit afaik. He is one of the most powerful enemies in the series by then, at least by virtue of his warping and black hole shit.Was also cool to see the lockjaw again the the tripwires.I'm also so fucking happy they made him a white male despite today's current climate. His voice actor is Laith Wallschleger. His voice is pretty cool at least.Regardless of this games problems, Sylux at least got done some justice, even if he's hardly in this game. They really made him an awesome and powerful villain. Unfortunately we still know basically nothing about him, and that cutscene you unlock doesn't help. And I'm not sure if there will be another Prime after this....
>>727796879Why would you cite his loss in his debut game, in your same post?
>>727764728I like that Sylux is like a sci-fi wizard. Cross between crazy tech and like magic shit.
>>727796953>that cutscene you unlockwhat cutscene? is it the war flashback at the end or something else?
>>727795569>>727795728>>727795818>>727796519I honestly just think its best for Metroid Prime to be laid to rest at this point, it's obvious that Metroid Prime 1 and 2 being the games they were were just lightning in a bottle, most of the people that made those games at Retro have long since moved on and both the main games and spinoffs have since just kept getting worse with every game. Interviews with Tanabe over the years have made his intent on turning Metroid Prime into a shitty Star Wars wannabe with over emphasis on awful Federation and bounty hunter characters extremely clear, to me all Prime 4 really is is just the culmination of all of the issues people have had with games like Hunters, Federation Force and even Prime 4.
>>727796939Anon, the open world is clearly mandated. It will not go away. Metroid is over.
>>727797210>and even Prime 4.I meant Prime 3.
>>727796748Ice Belt is good too. The areas after are nightmares of endless hand holding. That sort of guard rails have to come from incredible insecurity in their design
>>727796953I'm really happy that he used the Lockjaw in his final boss
>>727797341Ice Belt was a back and forth for me.>endless forced loss wolf miniboss is shit>exploring the labs is cool and then the sniper gets on the intercom to talk to you>the atmosphere after turning on the heat is fucking awesome>then the sniper starts screeching at you about the grievers coming
>>727795236she's tired after backtracking for the 500th time and they repaired jebf the pirate AGAIN to ambush her in the same fucking room.
>accidentally press X on the map screen>"no signal" pop up takes like five seconds to disappear
>>727772651Agreed. That 1v1 on the platform in the middle of nowhere made the entire game worth playing to me. It was just so fucking awesome, and seeing the lockjaw again, fuck me it was so cool. And seeing how powerful my boy Sylux has become. It made the whole game worth it
>escaped test subject>cybernetic veteran space pirate>warrior race that invades planets>law enforcing monk practically Rundas>alien wanting to learn about his race>guyFeels good to be vindicated by how absolutely fucking dogshit Sylux ended up being. He was always the lamest Hunter.
>>727766168Clearly the work of Raven Beak.
>>727798076God i love Kanden.One day, one fucking day we'll have a bounty hunter quest board and Prime 3's fast travel system to go to nearby outposts and planets and interact in a sci fi world doing missions and running into all those fuckers again and getting Sylux tier fights against them.one fucking day...
>>727764728His motivations make no sense and he comes across as an obsessed spurned incel. He's not main villain material. He's filler boss at best.
>>727797823The hint system probably turned into the completely railroaded segments when they were rushing to get the game in some sort of release-ready form
>>727796068>decide to play on hard>game has an actually hard moment>spill spaghetti on internetLmao that's sad, especially considering it is one of three, maybe four times the game is actually difficult (the other times are the ice wolves, some rooms with waves of psybots in volcano when accompanying the nigger and/or woman... and then maybe the part where the woman drives the truck in the mines with the waves of grievers, this last one is ? since I haven't gotten there on hard yet).I'm going to give you a little help since you need it: USE THE CONTROL BEAM.I don't know how retro did it, but they actually failed in making a single challenging boss. When I hit voltforge on hard I thought "this is going to be the hardest prime on hard yet" and right after that fight difficulty just fucking plummeted to "this is the easiest prime after 1".The official difficulty list for hard/hyper from highest to lowest is now:2 (GC) > 3 > 2 (Wii) > 4 > 1Thank you for your time, and good luck
>>727799402> USE THE CONTROL BEAMI don't use this in combat unless it was needed, not because of any reason besides i don't want a single shot to take fucking 30 fucking seconds. Am i to presume it doesn't increased damage against these fuckers, or just their ridiculous alignment makes it easier to take them down together?"spill spaghetti", i am just describing the specifics of this moment and it's problems. I think it's a massive step down from prime 1 2 and even 3's combat, and ultimately feels very unfun because of it.
>>727797187it's in the gallery. it's the full uninterrupted cutscene you see in bits when samus freaks out. it's accessible with etither the sylux amiibo or 100%
>>727798076>>727798196I'd say make Prime Hunters HD as an appetizer for Prime 5's wait with some expanded lore thrown inImprove the shooting to use in future entries
>>727796585And Samus herself lost off screen to Space Pirates one time
>>727794941They're like the Marines from One Piece
>>727766168Those Spaniards understood the character way better than whoever wrote this
>>727800143I hate to admit it, but Prime 4 is the same tone from what we see of the series in Prime 3, Other M, and Feddie Force.Samus is not that different in character too. She isn't a loner by nature, she is has no problem being part of a group, even if said group really grinds her gears, like in Other M.
>>727766168They both had kino fights, I don't want to pit them against each other
Samus seems like less of a bounty hunter and more like a general space contractor. She just takes any job the federation wants her to do? Does she need the money that bad?
>>727800363I think her not speaking in Prime 4 makes her seem more autistic than she ever has in another game. In Prime 3 everyone pretty much talks at her. They give her information and she nods in the affirmative, that's fine. In Prime 4 people ask her questions and she just silently gestures at things like a sperg and it's really distracting.
I think the biggest question is how the fuck did Sylux get so big?We see him in the memory cutscene, and he's regular person sized. But at the end of the game he's big as fuck. Bigger than he was in Hunters. Is the suit he's wearing some kind of semi-mech suit or something? Because he's literally like three feet taller than he was as a regular guy
>>727801079Green Energy
>>727800835She's more like Star Fox and less like Captain Falcon
>>727801027Not only that but she says nothing in times of distress, doesn't communicate in battle, withholds mission critical information, it makes her look extremely incompetent and just stupid. And not in an endearing way
>>727801027>>727801535How come Link avoids this problem?
>>72780164690% of the time when people ask Link a question there is either player provided dialog or implied dialog. He's rarely an honest to god mute.
>>727801535I'm certain Samus staying silent is a production side decision, not a creative one
>>727801646Metroid Prime also has a more cinematic presentation
>>727802026I'm willing to bet Other M backlash played a role in this
>>727766168raven beak's fight was kino as fuck and a lot of people took multiple attempts so they spent a surprising amount of time with him. potentially more than they did with sylux in mp4.
>>727802026>>727802121I think it's just Retro deciding that their Samus doesn't talk. The problem is they either didn't consider or didn't care how that dynamic changes when you have characters actually trying to have a conversation with her.
>>727802026I could see it being either way. She doesn't talk in Dread except for that one line which makes for an amazing moment. You would think this would give them courage to let her say a few important things here when necessary. >>727802287With the extreme negative reaction to the feds in 4 I'm wondering if they'll cut back on them in the next game. If they double down I'm honestly ok with that but Samus needs to speak
>>727802026It's a Retro decision, they don't like Samus talking for some reason and some ex-Retro employees said that Dread Samus isn't Retro's Samus. Sakamoto and Retro had a clear disagreement on the character of Samus Aran.
>>727802683It really depends on Tanabe vs literally everyone else at Nintendo since even marketing had to hide the Feds until WEEKS before releaseRetro might have every right to be proud of their work but unless they're a Concord level of deluded, they should recognize the criticism and what did go right with Prime 4
>>727802735Source?
Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but wasn't the OG Metroid game planned not even a Retro one? Wasn't Bamco the one who was at the helm of this Metroid game originally, before Nintendo went to Retro?
>>727802881From the development & production side of things, I think Prime 4 ended up being the product the main point of which is to move the series forward (or Beyond you could say) from where it got stuck 18 years ago. I still have hope that the next game will be come out faster and better
