>>727780002
people pretending that dark souls was a hardcore game

>>727780002
Devs not knowing when to say "enough is enough" and just over-engineering bosses

>soulslop
>everyboss has 3 phases
so tired

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>>727780002
Fromsoft are in an arms race with the people who keep calling their games easy lol

>>727780002
it's the only way to escalate and up the difficulty when your only inputs are running around, rolling and swinging weapon

>>727780002
Series got rid of mostly having brain-dead easy gimmick bosses.

>>727781948
Why does the difficulty need to increase?

Demon's Souls? Bosses were more puzzles than combat trials in that game

They turned the game into "meta" games. It isn't about the adventure, the dungeons, exploration, or whatever else. Yes those are present, but then you hit the gameplay, and it's 100% roll slop. You roll and roll and roll because the boss attacks 10000 times a second. Or you cheese it with some stupid magic instant kill build, or some other thing like jumping R2's with stacked bonuses.

It isn't a natural way to play the game like Demons and Dark Souls. It's all about the best items, best way to play, perfect dodging windows or weird shit like "slowly walk to the left and you will never be hit because reasons".

It isn't fun, it sucks.

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>>727781756
It's kind'a insane, I go on /v/ and to this day people still whine about how Elden Ring is super easy and it's a shame that Fromsoft caters to casuals and blahblahblah.

Like, if you find Malenia, Starbeast and the DLC easy then you're in the 1% of the 1% and you need to stop trying to talk about game design.

>>727782273
It can be easy though, for anyone, if you use the tools in the game.

With the right summons, upgrades, and items, you can just hold block on a greatshield and poke bleed everything in the game to death without breaking a threat.
An average player could probably do this with less than 100 deaths total in a playthrough.

Players make the game much harder on themselves by using specific things they want to use.

>>727781948
make the safety windows for rolling and swinging the weapon tighter
add more attack patterns to figure out
add minions that annoy your ass to the boss fight
add status effects and optical illusions
bullet sponges are never a good solution to any problem

>>727782460
You're the kind of guy to die to a boss 30 times and still call it easy.
You probably died a 100 times in Sekiro and said "it's easy once it clicks".

>>727782273
it's the eceleb effect
those faggots play the "meta" build they get from watching ecelebs that literally play soulslops for a living and spend thousands of hours looking for the cheesiest most exploitable tactics and then call the game easy
I would guess that if random person plays a nuFrom soulslop blind, there's 99% chance they would not be able to finish it due to difficulty
we are at a point where soulslop are designed around reading wikis and having to watch/read tips and guides even for things that should be simple like fucking npc quests

>>727780002
they stopped being cool adventure games and became shitty action games for people who are too scared to play anything else

>>727782569
Nah, Sekiro is by far their most difficult game.

And 100 deaths in a 100 fucking hour Elden Ring playthrough seems like a lot to you? It's barely anything

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>>727781756
Excellent image. I fucking hate this so much; run into these takes all the time.
>*Needs to look up builds created by other people or die a bunch*
>*Needs to look up a guide for every encounter, dungeon, and item in the game, or die a bunch*
>*Dies a shitload of times anyways*
>*Eventually limp across the finish line*
>"Bro, this game was way too fucking easy."
If you died a ton of times and had to brute force things through trial and error, the game wasn't easy. If you needed to look up builds/strats because you couldn't figure out how to do it yourself, the game wasn't easy. If you needed to use a walkthrough just to beat it, the game wasn't easy.

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>>727782813
If you die 100 times in any game, that is not an easy game.

>>727780002
Players simply got better and more challenge was warranted. You're not a shitter with shit stamina, right?

>>727782232
It turned into slop the moment they started to pander to tryhards and pvp fags that spend thousands of hours playing nothing but soulslop.
Listening to those fag will give you distorted feedback. While they are the most vocal, they probably represent 1%-10% of the player base at most.
Of course, someone who played a Souls game for over 2000 hour will think it's easy. Devs will see this and will think they need to pander to those players since they are so vocal so they keep doubling down on the tranime tier unending boss combos and rollslop combat that's based on muscle memory/trial and error instead of making memorable varied bosses.

So many people pray for Fromsoft's donwfall for no reason other than the fact they have never blundered

>>727783315
>slop
stopped reading there

>>727782801
This. They found the perfect formula in DS1 but then dropped it immediately.

I wish they would just make actual action-adventures with more variety like Zelda.

That pic looks to me like you're playing on base NG in DS1 and NG+2 on Elden Ring.
The damage and health always gets overtuned.

>>727783340
I'd call DS2 a pretty big blunder and Elden Ring was well made but kinda lame.

>>727783443
Every Fromsoft anklebitting thread
>I wish it had "light 4 torches" puzzles like Zelda
>I wish it had generic NPCs like a Bethesda game
>I wish I could collect 15 boar pelts like World of Warcraft
No you don't

>>727782072
for me it doesn't, I like the gimmick bosses, but seems to be a big push over the years to increase difficulty especially on bosses

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>FROMcels be like YOOOOOOO DIS BOSSFIGHT FIRE!!!

>>727783315
they designed themselves into a corner
they literally made momentum stopping movements that are completely unnatural just to trick the player into rolling early

Shitter crybaby thread

>>727783261
>Players simply got better
No, they didn't.
The meta now is just looking for the best build online and breezing through the game. What you call "players getting better" is a result of bad game design where people would rather look up good builds or cheese tactics instead of playing the game blind because when it comes to it, no one trusts From, and no one believes that they would get good experience by playing a modern Soulslop blind.

>>727783674
I played the game blind and jumping+charged attacks certainly made it not very hard
Get good xar2m

>>727783638
>Fighting everdark Gladius solo
You're just asking to get your ass beat

>>727783674
that's a gamer mentality problem. same reason why every game is data-mined and every secret is discovered on day 1

>>727783223
To be fair most of those 100 deaths I'm estimating are from getting to the point where you acquire a good greatshield/the STR to wield one

>>727780002
I can't actually think of a boss in ER that actually has three phases, you sure you're not confusing it with DS3?

>>727783825
So you're saying it's difficult.

>>727783759
>I played the game blind
No, you didn't.
Not a single person played Elden Ring blind. You're telling me you didn't discuss the game online anywhere or you didn't read the wiki at all? Yeah, right.

>>727783674
>buy nightreign knowing it was gonna be shit
>it's even shittier than i expected with less roguelite options than any other game of it's type
>gems are RNG bullshit
>getting to a boss to even attempt "learning" it's moves takes 30+ minutes, only for you to die because you didn't top off the chip damage and the boss killed you with one wombo
>worst team experience in any game i've ever played, i will pick dudes up 10000 times but as soon as i go down, it may as well be game over
>retards going to fight bell bearing hunter on day 1, retards going to fight ulcerated tree spirit on top the castle get knocked off and die on day 1
holy shit lmao

>>727783881
You could just get a pal to drop you a greatshield

or you could just use cheatengine or wemod

>>727780002
>RPGlet built his character wrong and now he does no damage
Every god damn time

>>727783674
>The meta now is just looking for the best build online and breezing through the game.
How would one do that when the game launches and all the tools haven't been discovered by the community yet?

>>727783921
>No, you didn't
Autistic shitter cope, enjoy being mentally ill

>>727783837
The final boss of Nightreign DLC has 4 phases

>>727783941
Nightreign and SOTET is what made me realized old From is dead. They doubled down on the worst aspects of Elden Ring.
I'm never buying another From game again.

>>727783149
I think I hate it so much because it's difficulty for the sake of difficulty. Demon's was novel because I found it more brutal that difficult. It wasn't that hard, but if you got careless you could easily die. That made it more immersive as an adventure game. Now From just does shit because difficulty is all they have left as a developer. They just recycle Demon's Souls over and over without any of the soul it had. Nothing feels deliberate. Despite being painfully unfinished Demon's Souls feels like it has more care put into it than anything From has done post Bloodborne. And even Bloodborne wasn't that much of a departure from their Demon's Souls formula. It's a game entirely carried by its aesthetic.

>>727784168
Really?

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>>727782460
>"Bro. If you just figure out what the best strategy is out of the hundreds of thousands of entangled configurations and use that, the game is easy!"
Damn, that's crazy. What other wisdom do you have to drop? Let me guess:
>"If you want to be the Pokemon world champion, just use the best Pokemon team out of all possible options."
Figuring out what the best strategies are is a part of the difficulty, a sort of puzzle. A new player just doesn't boot up Elden Ring blind for the first time and go
>"Ah yes. A greatshield poke bleed build with these specific abilities and summon support is clearly the way to go!"

>>727784430
yeah if you died in demon's souls and dark souls 1 it was your own fault. If you die in elden ring it's just expected.

>games in the same genre share design elements
literally only Fromsoft is criticized for this

>>727783569
>Elden Ring
>well made
>open world with nothing in it but recycled content
>well made

>>727784553
Well made from a technical standpoint.
Creatively I thought it was lame.

>>727784430
>Demon's was novel because I found it more brutal that difficult
God I miss Demon's Souls. I still remember how I was walking slowly, raising my shield, looking around everywhere I go throughout the whole game. It wasn't particularly hard but it was tense and it felt like a horror game.
No other From game gave me this feel. In new From games, you just run around spamming roll through the level and just skip enemies.

>>727784168
>Nightreign

I still like DaS2 the most.

>>727784846
I used to think Dark Souls2 (vanilla) was the best Dark Souls then I replayed it this year and it really aged like milk.
Now I think Dark Souls 1 is the best Dark Souls.

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Great Murder Hobo Sim, terrible adventure rpg.

>Breaks formula [Boss - Mini Boss - Elite - Common] constantly

>Worst Caryl Runes (No unique qualifiers, expanded movesets, unique abilities, or covenant changes)
>Worst NPC questlines in the series (3/4th are simping) complete waste of GrrMs talents of fantasy politics
>Worst gameplay to world impact. If the story is to “fix” everything & become king, why can’t we make ANY real overworld choices?

>Limgrave: The 3 lord contenders
>Weeping Peninsula: Humans vs Misbegotten
>Liurnia: Academy vs Cuckoo Knights vs Carian Royalists
>Calied: Burn, Retake, or spread the Rot outbreak
>MT. Gelmir: Volcano Manor dissidents vs Frenzy/Madness remnants
>Atlus Plateau: Perfumers vs Jars race war
>Leyndall Capital: Feral vs loyal Omen

>Cant create your own Roundtable, recruiting NPCs, or staying loyal to Gideon
>Cant use prosthetics, body grafting, blood magic, necromancy, faith summon weapons, stands, traps or machinist tech
>Cant use any of it despite their constant reuse of assets

>No Age of Compassion
>No Age of Blasphemy
>No Age of Slumber
>No Age of Knowing
>No Age of Blood
>No Age of Rot
>No Age of Godslayers
>No Age of Crucible
>No Age of Dragons
>No Age of Conquest
>No Age of Beasts

>Never fixed RoGs to feel like an expedition up a MOUNTAIN (2x civilizations: Zamor humanoids, & Giants are right there.)
>Never fixed Consecrated Snowfields. (Shove all of RoG content here)
>Never added the Badlands even though it was finished
>Never added the “above” map layer for dreams
>Never added in the cut questlines, NPCs or endings that were finished. (Or unique cutscenes to existing quests/endings)

>Shafted: Black Flames, Sleep, Death (Destined & Blight), & Beast-hood content

>Ruined their final boss, being a worse G&M
>Ruined their DLC by being half assed
>Ruined their final DLC boss by being nonsense in their own butchered lore
>Ruined the kino check by not giving us a Elden Lord Trigger, for our respective ending

>>727784769
It's hard to replicate because Demon's Souls was the first of its kind in the 'souls' games. From's mistake is just constantly remaking Dark Souls in every aspect. You expect everything now. What was once a fresh experience that kept your guard up because it was unpredictable has now become a predictable rehash of ideas and mechanics.

Like, the games are fine for what they are. I just don't hold From in this untouchable tier of devs like a lot of people seem to do. They're fine games. Certainly not bad but certainly overrated and bordering on 'slop' tier because it's just a constant recycling of old shit in a new setting.

>>727785137
yeah, all the lore states that everywhere is still somewhat functioning with the crazies being cast out and labelled as criminals

but what you get in game is completely different, everyone is just hollows, barely anyone will actually discuss the current going ons and when they do it's about YOU needing to KILL and SLAY bosses, nothing else, every questline is about killing something, you never see more than 2 people in the same place talk to each other, it's always 1 dude and A FUCKING CORPSE

>>727784513
I believe most people are smart enough to look up guides rather than be retarded but maybe your post is enough to prove me wrong.

>>727784769
>you just run around spamming roll through the level and just skip enemies.
You can do that easily in des too tho, nostalgiafag

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>>727784769
>God I miss Demon's Souls. I still remember how I was walking slowly, raising my shield, looking around everywhere I go throughout the whole game
Fucking nostalgia niggers I swear

>>727785534
>lust-provoking image

Fact: making bonfires or stakes so close to bosses makes levels worse and bosses worse.
DeS and other previous entries were brutal because of the walkback which made the levels stronger since people would spend more time in them and the bosses more reasonable. PvE meant something and weren't just filler between bosses. You used to have to care about shortcuts.

>>727784769
>In new From games, you just run around spamming roll through the level and just skip enemies.
So, Demon's Souls.

>>727785586
>fact
>is a contentious opinion

>>727785586
Pretending like the walkbalks we're good is a level of contrarian that I don't even think you believe. And your argument doesn't make sense; are you saying that FROM deliberately makes the bosses easier depending on how bad the runback is?

>>727785492
you literally can't in a lot of levels.

>>727785586
yeah man having to go through the entirety of 4-2 to reach old hero was actually based and epic!

>>727785767
>FROM deliberately makes the bosses easier depending on how bad the runback is?
Yes. The Leechmonger and Dirty Colossus were jokes because the level was so brutal.

>>727785586
I am not "appreciating" the level during a runback, I am seething to myself about how bullshit the boss is.

>>727785807
People actually remember the level though. No one remembers the levels of Elden Ring, only the bosses.

Also there is a balance. The fact that players can retry an unlimited number of times with no penalty leads to these nonsense anime dances that last a minute before it's your turn.

>>727785783
I mean you can't in some situations in Elden Ring, but here we are making the arguments. Whatever.

>>727782569
Sekiro doesn't require any problem solving or management of position, It's just a reaction check.

>>727786002
>No one remembers the levels of Elden Ring, only the bosses.
Yep totally, nobody remembers any levels in Elden Ring
Definitely not just nostalgia cope

>>727786106
Demon of Hatred

Honestly, multi-phase boss fights only really suck when it's literally just "dude gets back up". It works when you're/they're breaking some sort of power limiter, they access a last resort forbidden power, etc. Also, we need more phase fakeouts. I can't remember a Fromsoftware boss that'll drop a "Chud of Sex Felled", drop the fog walls, then bait & switch you just before you leave.

Hollow Knight did a great second phase with Soul Tyrant, where his second phase is less him "powering up" and more just absolutely fucking tweaking.

>>727786002
>People actually remember the level though.
Honestly? Not really.

>>727786106
So the reactions can be very difficult?

>>727782460
>Players make the game much harder on themselves by using specific things they want to use.
If anything I find it to be the opposite. It's the tryhard elitists who keep gimping themselves with arbitrary restrictions like "no summons, no shields, no magic, final destination only" then cry and bitch when someone finishes the game before them using all of the above. There's a reason why the
>YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME
became a meme.

>>727786245
>I can't remember a Fromsoftware boss that'll drop a "Chud of Sex Felled", drop the fog walls, then bait & switch you just before you leave.
ever played sekiro?

The only good from games are the ones where every build works on every boss. BB got that down. No matter what trick weapon you use it is completely reasonable to beat Ludwig or Orphan.

>>727786394
100% it forever ago. Oh, right, I remembered as I was typing this. Yeah unga-bunga was great for that.

>>727786378
>There's a reason why the
>>YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME
>became a meme.
Because tons of people didnt beat the game. Im sorry, but if you used ash summons, you genuinely didn't beat the game.
>Oh yeah!? W-Well I got the achievement!!
Fake gold still shines. Beat the game next time

>>727786550
If you aren't SL1, naked, fists only, no estus upgrades, no scadu fragments, then you objectively didn't beat the game. Sorry, I don't make the rules.

>>727785415
>looking up guides for a sp game
damn you are retarded

>>727786550
I beat the game and DLC at RL1 with no summons. I am entitled to do what I like without scrutiny.

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>>727786264
When a literal nigger can shit all over it in one sitting? Nope. It's a glorified punch out.

>>727787095
>Someone ELSE can beat it better than I can so it's not difficult.
Ok and how good are you?

>>727780002
Yeah I think about this dilemma a lot. I do enjoy replaying Souls games every so often but Elden Ring is the one I keep avoiding because it feels way too tedious when all I want to do is unga bunga through some comfy levels.
And sure yeah Lion's Claw is ridiculously strong, not arguing that, it's more that Elden Ring has so much tedium in it when I could play DS3 and functionally have the same game.

>>727786640
Very funny and totally original reply! Please, just play the game properly next time, it's really fun.

>>727780002
elden ring be like more like -3000 if you press L2 instead of R1 because jap retards thought that weapon arts are a good mechanic (they aren't)
unironically turn based combat is the only solution to the Souls formula problem. there's only so much you can do with rollslopshit

>>727784052
There were several jewtubers for elden ring even for ds3 spouting what the most op tools are since they played the game early.

>>727783638
git gud nigga lmao

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>>727787194
A god gamer.

>>727780463
This.
I still like the games, but they really need to stop and go back to basics.

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>>727780002
Here's actual proof.

>>727789057
>bottom has a thousand buffs too

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>>727789057
>he has receipts

>>727789057
fromfags = raped

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>>727783763
The game has stupid difficulty spikes, I beat him solo as Wylder but get absolutely filtered by balancers, it's either Mohg with his free nihil death or the demon faggot with his deadly frontal braaap then jump attack that keep ruin my runs. If I manage to get to Harmonia the empowered bitch jumps off screen and I have to quickly search for her to avoid any nuke while also watching out for the guaranteed ground spears from the others that come in the meantime.

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>>727789138
>>727789236
>>727789343
You haven't heard the best of it.

>>727780002
2 phase bosses is the gayest mechanic and I'm tired of pretending otherwise. The game basically forces you to do a 5 minute chore before allowing you to even practice on the actual boss. If you want 2-5 phases, let me practice each one separately, otherwise it's just timewasting for the sake of timewasting

Because the average rises as people get better.

>>727786378
If you used summons you didn't have the same game experience at all and you're genuinely stupid and lying to yourself and no one else if you say otherwise. People like you then add 20 other things like shields to gaslight the main thing. No. You didn't beat the game if you used summons. You have no weight in conversation because you fundamentally didn't have the same experience at all
That's cool and hope you had fun, but you definitely didn't have the same experience as someone who didn't use summons. You could not go back and play the game by yourself. You learned assuredly almost nothing and had cope by downplaying it

Blame DogShit 3 where every boss had to be a damage sponge to hide the shallow roll-centered gameplay

>>727783631
>I wish it had generic NPCs like a Bethesda game
What is it with Fromdrones and believing that Bethesda invented towns and NPCs in RPGs? These things are just basic things that 95% of RPGs that ever exist have had.

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>>727780002
We already did this joke.

>>727789057
Wouldn't a more fair comparison be Allant vs Radagon? Half the fanbase doesn't even defend PCR anyway.

>>727790190
The earliest CRPGS like Wizardry barely had any towns or NPCs. It was nearly all dungeon crawling and combat focused

>>727790503
Yes, Wizardry is one franchise, and like you said it is all dungeon crawling. It is not an open world game that eschews very basic things for building immersion like towns and encampments and human settlements of any kind in a magical continent you are fighting to become the ruler of.

>>727789617
He probably is as easy if not easier if you use summons though.

>>727790719
Elden Ring's dna is in King's Field, which is a real-time action take on Wizardry. The setting of Elden Ring is a desolated wasteland. You're the reason why Skyrim has npc marriages and adoption but not water-walking or float magic

>>727790987
>The setting of Elden Ring is a desolated wasteland.
It's a kingdom with magical lords who all have armies that swear allegiance to them and wear their colors. It is a kingdom where your motivation is explicitly to become the ruler. This is all completely undermined by there being absolutely worthwhile for these armies to fight over and for you to fight to rule. There are very obvious, blatant instances of immersion shattering shit like Nepheli Loux becoming the ruler of Stormveil castle and absolutely nothing changing and absolutely every soldier there being hostile to you anyways. Elden Ring's gameplay pretends its a wasteland, the lore explicitly contradicts this. Elden Ring has bad worldbuilding.

>You're the reason why Skyrim has npc marriages and adoption but not water-walking or float magic
I have never played and don't care about Skyrim.

>>727789617
This is actually true. Summons are there for the shitters

>>727781948
Or you know
rework the terrible mechanics?
Iframes are gay and should never exist outside of frame perfect dodges to reward peak skill. You should be forced to physically move your character out of the way of the hitbox to dodge.

>>727791265
>This is all completely undermined by there being absolutely worthwhile for these armies to fight over and for you to fight to rule.
they all killed each others
and you do face members of each army, luirnia and stormveil guys mostly patrols, radahn guys are busy fighting for their lives against nightmare beasts and so forth

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>>727785415
>Ruin, for yourself, any sense of mystery, discovery, uncertainty, puzzle, or problem solving a game has.
>Limit your gameplay experience, progression, thinking, and expression to something another person has prescribed for you.
Yeah, real galaxy brained move there. Guides are made FOR retards who can't discover, strategize, and problem solve on their own. If you think you're a genius for Googling a guide and not a lazy niggercattle incapable of thought who needs a cookie cutter experience served to them on a platter, then I've got some bad news for you.

>>727789057
Holy shit Demon's Semen is that easy?
Lmao you nostalgiafags cum over baby games

>>727780002
why do you faggots persist in this struggle?
just go play kirby or other ubislop, elden ring isn't for you

>>727792816
NTA but
>dev makes game that needs you to consult a wiki
>somehow it's then my fault when I consult a wiki
Honestly I personally avoid games that need wiki reading to have a chance at winning but I can't fault people who do it for doing it

>>727792996
I struggled with Allan way more than any Dark Souls boss because I didn't knew about world tendency so I was full dark, and I was getting one-shotted by the dragon at the runback

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>>727789617
you look at it like
>Allant was the Wilt Chamberlain of the plumber era
>Radahn is like Steph Curry in the late 2010s
Then it makes sense

>>727783638
>play multiplayer game solo
Asking for CBT

>>727793504
If you post about sports I immediately assume you are low IQ

>>727793379
the boss is so easy you might as well summon tarkus and let him do the fight by himself

>>727780002
Zanzybong....
forgib mich...

>>727789057
A big part of the issue here is that Fromsoft wants to give players more tools for more RPG appeal but also they realize that they have to scale up content to incentivize the tool usage and not let the player outscale the game. As many anons have said here, they overdesigned for what they wanted the game to be. Kind of sucks too because their level design has consistently mogged the entire industry and has carried their boss design (along with the grandiose lead ups to the bossfights).
PCR in particular is probably a symptom of cut content + Fromsoft getting high on their own supply
>Every reddit and youtube shorts nigger be like "Bro imagine Radahn at his peak" and basedgasmed
>Fromsoft wanted to make the fanservice DLC with Miquella
A big shame too, DLC is genuinely art until the very last boss (and Scorpion pussy)

>>727780002
Lack of soul

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>>727793749
Yeah I decided to try without him and it took like 2 minutes

>>727793938
I think my weapon might actually be really good

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>>727782460
I'm roleplaying the dude I picked at the start. I can't use these cheese tactics.

>>727788049
>>727780463
>bosses get better movement
>player character gets gimped
It wasn't only after a few months when they finally gave the player back some recovery frames so you would at least get to hit enemies 1 time without being completely open

>>727781756
And it's dumb
It's what led to Dark Souls 2, people don't enjoy their games because they're difficult.

>>727782232
People point at Artorias being the beginning of the end but in reality when people shouted GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK at Demon's Souls bosses it was already starting. You can see Dark Souls' base game is a big pivot in and of itself.

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>>727793117
>dev makes game that needs you to consult a wiki
>somehow it's then my fault when I consult a wiki
The issue is that 99.9% of games don't require using a wiki to beat them. Certainly no FromSoft game does. I've comfortably beaten DeS, DS1, DS2, BB, BG3 Honor mode, BDSP battle tower (100 wins and master class), and a bunch of other stuff without ever touching a guide. People use guides as a crutch to not have to engage with the game's mechanics/world.

The only cases I can think of where you do NEED to consult a wiki are true endings with esoteric requirements that DON'T get communicated by the game/manual. But even in those cases, you are looking up one specific thing and not using a guide to walk you through the whole game or plan your builds out.

>>727780002
Developers overcompensating on dealing with the 10% players that use overpowered builds that are too much trouble to balance/nerf, by giving bosses absurd health pools to match their dps, while not taking into consideration the other 90% of players using the intended normal/fun builds now being stuck fighting something with a million health they're not equipped to deal with.

Ironically, this method actually INCREASES the % ratio of players using busted builds (normal player gets fed up, respecs/starts over with a busted build just to make progress), creating a endless feedback loop of perpetually giving bosses more health just so they stay a threat, instead of just letting the 10% of people using busted builds ruin their experience.

Why even have healthbars, it's more fun when you can't see their health.

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>>727780002
Buff faggotry ruined this game, everybody and their moms waste 2 minutes buffing for one shots because youtube told them to do so

>>727794435
Dude hasn't played online since fucking launch day, very impressive

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>the powerful just keep getting more powerful
How do we solve the inequality problem?

>>727794435
Once again proving why invasions are superior

>>727794751
I'm getting real tired of this lie

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>>727780002
You got filtered and won't stop crying about it.

>>727794803
>Use your physick to avoid getting one shot by some faggot level 700 phantom
>He does the unavoidable debuff incantation and you get one shot and teabagged
Epic stuff

>>727794751
Player power should be like 400% or something, who made this

>>727782085
This. Their main gimmick was trying to figure out their weakness. I think there were like three or four bosses in the entire game that relied on just straight forward combat.

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>>727780002
>what went wrong?
Demon's Souls. That's what went wrong. The instant you add invincibility frames into a dodge button, you've lost, because your developers will just keep trying to increase the challenge by overtuning bosses with the assumption that the players need to figure out an exact rhythm of pressing a button that makes them momentarily invulnerable. You know, instead of actually trying to design game mechancs and combat in a way that allows the player character to physically, literally avoid the strikes dealt by the enemy.

>>727795141
You could just play Monster Hunter dude. Like it's exactly what you're talking about but you're here in a souls thread shitting yourself over this and for what

>>727795275
I don't want to play cringe. I want games that are not cringe to be better than they are and I don't care if you don't mind them in the state they are in. Your like bad quality, I don't, and I want to fix what you don't mind at your expense.

>>727794751
just keep giving the bosses more powerful weapons that the player gets after defeating them, trickle down powernomics will solve it

>>727795364
>i don't like this game and i will not move to a game i would like and it's your fault
social parasite-kun....

>>727780002
Honestly the HP bars aren’t that huge in ER if you fight with appropriately leveled weapons and have the matching scadu level. Even without buff stacking or whatever, most bosses take like 3 or so minutes max with exceptions being like Bayle or whatever. DS3 felt more like this meme, especially in the DLC. Gael’s HP bar is basically the bottom, but he’s the final boss of the DLC so it doesn’t really matter.

>>727795550
scadutree blessing kills me, DLC has an alternative power progression unique to itself specifically to even out and enforce the difficulty and everybody shit themselves

>>727794286
>require
Yeah good luck finishing every quest in its ideal state on the first playthrough without consulting a wiki in a fromsoft game

>>727795141
And that is why Monster Hunter will always be better than Fromslop shit and I hope that one day more devs will look at the combat design philosophy of MH games and apply it to more conventional RPGs or even MMORPGs

>>727795550
fuck off.

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god I hate nufrom boss design

They tried to take the games in a more RPG direction with DaS2 and people rejected it, all complaining about the stat changes and not being able to rollslop through everything. So they doubled down on rollslop for DaS3 and everyone blew their load over it, so they decided they needed to one up themselves for ER and here we are.

>>727795364
It's been decades since Demon's Souls came out. How has your mission to save Souls been going?
Just play MH dude.

>>727795275
Where is this idea that Monster Hunter doesn't have invincibility or an expectation it will be used even coming from

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>>727796005
Problem is, here's where it started

>>727796604
MH is much more about positioning then dodging, you need to spec into dodging for it to even be usable.

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>>727780463
It's not the "enough is enough" problem.

The problem is that from games that had many simple elements coming together, they focused fully on combat, which is really fucking basic and behind most action titles. Exploration, consequences, level design, supplementary mechanics etc. all got thrown away for the sake of gauntlets with the same combat system since DeS.

Not to mention you have a fanbase that thrives on the "git gud" and "prepare to die" memes that gets better at playing your game with each subsequent title, so you basically have to overengineer the bosses, make them over the top and once you find a formula that the average retard is satisfied with, that being:
>Yet another Artorias on crack doing shonen-tier anime aerial Berserk-reference spinning who enters 2nd stronger super saiyan phase.
You just repeat it ad infinitum, because it makes money.

>>727780002
They expect you to put 500 hours into ER, with 5 hours spent bashing your face against each boss
That's it.
It's playtime padding because its fans like to do that

>fight boss
>realize I do chip damage
>"oh maybe i'm not supposed to be here yet"
>explore some other areas, fight easier bosses, get upgrades and levels
>come back and kill him in a few attempts
Wow that was hard

My favorite thing about nu Fromslop is people going back and playing the earlier games like DaS and saying "this isn't hard". Yeah faggot thanks for reaffirming what people who play action games have been saying for over a decade.

>>727791459
The only real way to do this is make the bosses movements extremely slow so that you can actually reposition in time. It could be fine for big bosses like dragons and the like but I think human bosses would suffer if that was the only way to avoid damage.

>>727789057
The same thing that happens to literally every long running series. They need to iterate on what came before. In this case, hard enemy/boss encounters.

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>>727795737
Then you're doing a self-imposed challenge. One that is possible or at least possible with multiple playthroughs (you know, replay value). Still don't need a wiki.

>>727799318
>multiple playthroughs (you know, replay value)
I can't wait to play through 40 hours of the same gameplay again because I didn't speak to Zanzibart's consort after she moved to the first zone in the game ten bosses into the game arbitrarily and for no reason!

>>727797347
Retards on this site upset they cant beat the game in 10 minutes

But you can but /v/ users suck at games

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>>727780002
They made a fight so kino and beloved that they started making other versions in their games.

>>727796554
>Just play MH dude.
Okay. Just change the entirety of the contents of that retarded weeb game into Dark Souls except without the i-frame tryhardism. I'll wait. You have 8 hours.

>ITT: filthy casuals

>>727780002
>what went wrong?
This place stopped making original content and just regurgitates unfunny attempts at jokes from twitter.