>is called an expansion>actually contracts the game by invalidating the base contentlol
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>>727781259tbc came out in 2007
It doesn't actually remove the base content though. I started WoW in 2008 and had a lot of fun doing all the vanilla stuff even though TBC was already out.
>>727781043>conveniently fucking forgets all of the new quests they added in the vanilla worldspaces>and all the vanilla quests they changed to be less arduous
>>727781259fuck you hard. I have fuck wife, fuck you mother, and I fuck you hard next DONT BE A SHY NOW
>>727781043WotLK > Vanilla > shit > TBC
okay someone in thread remembered it updated vanilla can get use help bitching of flying mounts so can hit quota pls??
>>727782069This. vanilla questing was kino but there was a huge fucking problem where at around levels 58-60, the last two levels of the journey were spent grinding mobs or dungeons because at that point every quest that was worth doing (eg: non daily shit that doesnt award beyond rep) was already complete. major fucking pain in the ass. TBC remedied that greatly. granted, they also doubled down on reputation shit and insane amounts of attunement afterward, but the vanilla areas were at least much better for casual players.
>belf/draenei expansion
>>72778232358-60 wasn't the problem at all, it was SPECIFICALLY 42-52 that was next door to impossible to level in Vanilla without being distracted by ganking lowbies, getting alt-itis, or general burnout. Leveling 52-60 is a total cakewalk and it's a mission to collect enough gold and good enough pre-raid gear to both buy your epic mount and run MC.Meanwhile the questing stage before that is grinding hell and you have NO protection from other players whatsoever while doing them ("nice badlands quests bro, too bad every 60 is farming the dragon pet and will spawncamp you if you so much as LOOK at an earth elemental").
>>727781043this is why guild wars wonnered
>>727782323>>727782836I never ran into those issues as a 13-year-old who had no idea what he was doing 20 years ago, how are you this retarded?
You forgot the part where it’s the only good expansion besides flyingFuck Flying mounts.
>>727782323You're kinda supposed to grind dungeons to get gear anyway so I don't see how that's a problem
>>72778232350+ leveling was fixed during vanilla not during TBC
>>727781043genuinely do not understand this argumentyou don't bother with any low level zone, village or dungeon once you've leveled past them so what is the deal here? new level, new area, same as always
>>727785630>you don't bother with any low level zone, village or dungeon once you've leveled past themThat's blatantly not true, might be the case now because I havent played WoW in over a decade. Certaintly wasn't the case back during TBC, WOTLK or cataclysm for that matter.
>>727781043No it didn't. Half the player base spent the entire expansion leveling their army of alt blood elves while RPing and doing low level PvP since they were all 14 y/os.
>>727786307yes it was retardwhat the fuck did you have to do in Loch Modan at level 80
>>727786465Bait level 12 dwarves into attacking your hunter pet.
>>727786465Reputation, pets, achievements, rare mobs
What if instead of invalidating all the previous content, the old content would still drop good loot and was still doable, but each explansion made it easier because of the power level increaseHow it would workVanilla>have to kill onyxia with a 40 people raid, drops best in slot gearBTC>have to kill onyxia with a 20 people raid, drops top-tier gearWrath>10 people raid, drops good pre-raid gearCataclysm>5 people dungeon, drops a few good items, maybe one or two good pre-raid rares, some good greensPanda furry shit>1-3 people, doable solo, good to bring someone else, drops ok greens to make money on AH or use for enchantingWhatever faggotry came after pandas>1 player solo trash grinding areaSame would apply for all raids. TBC would be a tier higher, wrath would be a tier higher.Instead of invalidating the old content it would be used as a power benchmark and the old content would become more accessible.
>>727787096Because I don't want to run 500 different raids every week dumbass
>727782190 (You)contrarian
>>727781259Can you mentally ill retards just stay in your containment general? It's enough that you spam your discord drama there
>>727786812Loch Modan has none of thoseretard
>>727787226Don't do them then, cope tranny
>"expansion">kills wpvp forever
>>727787096Nobody wants to run all of vanilla content and all of TBC content every single week other than terminally online basement dwellers that play 10 hours a day.
Horizontal progression is a meme, fuck off.
>>727786812>repnot only was Ironforge rep worthless, but it had a tabard in Wrath so you had no reason to be chasing rep in Loch modan>petsno pets in loch modan>achievementsagain, fucking worthless and also even if you wanted to get it takes 2 hours then youre done>rare mobswhy the fuck would you care about a level 12 rare? So desperate for a shitty green item?
>>727787384battlegrounds killed world pvp long before flying mounts didalso "world pvp" was just one-sided ganks 95% of the time, don't kid yourself
>>727787384>"massive" multiplayer>has to be balanced around 2v2 death matchesarenas killed the game worse than flying did
>>727781043Boomer here, it didn't instantly invalidate older content. BWL trinkets were still insane, especially class trinkets for arena, even during Hyjal. Even the AQ trinket that put up shields when you healed(Scarab Brooch) was insane. One of the complaints at TBC release was that Naxx gear was too good because it was flat out better than Tier 4 because of the set bonuses so you had people running older content still. Thunderfury was also the BiS tanking weapon for a while because of the threat and mitigation.
>>727787401Then don't run it, fucking retard.>waaah, I have a choice between many different raids and many different dungeons>instead of picking the ones I want to do I now have to do them all in an arbitrary timeframeSo this is who blizzard listened to when they killed WoW
>>727787529if your only defense of a game is "don't play it" then it sounds like a shit game
>>727787348We were talking about low level zones but good job almost being able to keep a conversation going. You also saw the words "rare mobs" and then didn't read anything else. It's actually almost impressive how you manage to fuck up so bad
>>727787545Didn't say that. I would tell you to kill yourself and dilate.
TBC is the GOAT expansion because it introduced sexy space goats.
>>727787487>We should balance the game around BGs!!!!>Everyone is playing 2v2 death matches on the edges of the BG anyway while druids run around their base with the enemy flagIt's almost like it's what people wanted.
>>727787527>Naxx gear was too good because it was flat out better than Tier 4 because of the set bonuses?????no it's not lmao, the stats on naxx gear are outclassed by heroic dungeon blues and the set bonuses are trash for 90% of classes.
>>727787430Is this AI? Are you unable to see what was said before? Is loch modan every low level zone? Did you mean to say loch modan instead of low level zones?
>>727781043It was the only expansion where the content that came before it kept a tiny bit of relevancy. Everything since then was wiping the slate clean. WoW expansions are all fundamentally shit design-wise but you're getting mad at the wrong one
>specifically reply to a post saying "loch modan">UHM NO ACKSHUALLY I WAS TALKING ABOUT EVERY ZONE YOU ARE DUMB HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THISautism
>>727787745You can only "keep previous content relevant" for so long before new players get turned off by seeing a massive mountain of content they have to climb through before they can get to the newest stuff.
>>727787791Everyone can read the thread and see you were wrong
>>727787527Thinking about it for a second, I think some of the trinkets were good even in BT and potentially Sunwell? Some of them gave flat stats like % haste(Paladin,Mage) and Life Giving Gem was so OP that eventually blizzard made a PvP trinket that did the same thing. Even Rejuv gem was really fucking good for regular content because of the mp/5 and raw healing. >>727787661That was after tuning changes to buff 70 loot. The 70 loot sucked ass at first, I remember doing Kara and getting gear that wasn't even an upgrade and a lot of stuff rotted until Blizzard buffed Kara loot.
>>727787860Hell, this problem itself became apparent in the original 2007 release of TBC, where raid attunements were linked to each other (you had to do heroics to get to T4, then T4 to get to T5, etc) and high-end guilds would run into roster issues and have to poach players from other high-end guilds because there were so few people attuned to the latest raids.
>>727787860in runescape people are fighting 2005 bosses for equipment drops that are still relevant today
>>727788048>in (skill farming simulator)that's nice
>>727787745>You should have to go through the previous 7 expansions to play the newest one they're hyping upNo new player is going to stick to the game if they have to spend the original time it took to level through 7 odd expansions.It's not like WoW expansions are anything but an over world to run around and do kill quests in and a raid.
>>727788119it ended up becoming more popular and successful than classic world of warcraft, we can dismiss and hate it all you want but the facts remain
>>727788048>A single player game plays the same as an MMO>Guys this boss I kill solo in my single player game is still relevant.lol
>>727788048The only people who want a system like that are the ones that want to farm gear once and then never again
a lot of wow cucks itt defending this sham of a modelsad
>>727788293that's how it goes, a few desperate leftovers remain but most people move on to better things
>>727787616Dr. Graevling was such an overrated hack and I never liked his shitty OC
>>727782190This.TBC is the worst of classic.>Dungeons and pre-raid gear locked behind extreme repgrind "I can heal" "are you revered? "no".>DAILIES>TINY OUTLAND SWARMING WITH FLYING BOTS>Dots, hots and pillarhump PEAK PVP>Phase 1 is literally a 10 man dungeon and 2 onyxias (all on 1 week lockout)Welcome to Spineshatter. GDKP is not allowed. Selling boost, selling tank/heal service, 5000 round-the-clock bots, WTS GOLD, WTS ARENA BOOST, WTS Raid carry service, gear up fast PM ME for more info.
>>727788048Good, they can stay in Great Value UO forever for all I care.
>>727787709it applies to every zone btwold world rares and reps were fucking worthless
>>727788048Yes, dude YES!!! Instead of making bosses with interesting mechanics and loot drops with weekly lockouts that you need multiple people to kill we should make infinitely farmable NPCs who only auto attack while slowly walking at you and geting stuck on walls while you kill them slowly so they can have a .00000001% of dropping something worth something and 1k worth of trash the other times.I too wish WoW was only killing random trash mobs in the overworld.
>>727788548anon that Great Value UO is breaking all of its past records meanwhile no one even talks about world of warcraft except to laugh at it
>>727787616Yeah, TBC was a close second but people just got cringe then. I never even ran NAXX refresh or Icecrown citadel even once because people started acting elitist as fuck. I did get to 2450 in arena but still didn’t get gladiator because the virgins that beat us were all the same team. It was some bullshit like beast hunter mage and healer or some gay shit. WOTLK also introduced death knights which didn’t get nerfed for some reasonWow devs always wanted to nerf and never buff every class to the same power level, that’s why vanilla was the best because you didn’t have fuck ass Resilience
>>727788506Game was fun back in the day when 3rd worlders didn't have internet yet to turn the MMO into a job.
>>727788208probably because it's f2p and the other f2p mmos are pretty ded. what's even left, tibia for the hues and kurwas?
>start playing with anniversary>hear everyone talk about how karazhan is a top 3 raid>do it with guildies on the ptr>its only alright
>>727788781Weekly lockouts are gay and so is endless grinding. Instead of being a fag I'd suggest trying to imagine a world where a 3rd option exists
>>727781043this shit really was one of the dumbest design decisions ever
>>727789053Idk man, I'd rather have fun once a week than not have fun at all.
>>727788048>statement of fact presented with a completely neutral tone>multiple butthurt repliesInteresting
>>727789013What raids did you like more? It was easily the more unique raid with boss design. The setting was great too
>>727789175It's not a fact. I wouldn't call those "people".
>>727788874>Runescape: Less than 6 million viewers on Twitch in December>WoW: More than 17 million viewers on Twitch in DecemberFuck off. >inb4 muh Twitch numbers don’t prove anythingFuck off.
>>727782190The problem with WoW is I played Warlock and my class was never good when the game was good. BC had 1 button rotation, Wrath made warlocks top tier and fun to play but the issue is that expansion shit the bed after Ulduar when activision came in full force and casualized the game.
>>727789547Warlock was top tier in TBC and Wrath, what are you on about.Seed of Corruption in TBC alone was so broken it didn't get another rank in Wrath and was still stupid good.
>>727789013It's probably lost a lot of the luster since it's so solved by now but it was such a massive dungeon with so many dead ends (where the first one led to the beast boss) that it made the dungeon feel like it housed a lot of mysteries. It was really cool when no one knew what to expect and then you had Nightbane as an unlockable fight.
>>727789053agreed, biweekly lockouts are the best
>>727789547Yeah I agree but Icecrown Citadel and Ruby Sanctum are far from easy. Turn off the 30% buff in Icecrown and see what happens.
>>727787487>arena becomes main pvp mode with battlegrounds and wpvp shafted forever>all pvp is balanced solely around pillarhugging and unkillable healers so what little non arena pvp that happens becomes even shittierbeing a bg enjoyer is pure torture. I lived through so many expansions of cancer but I think what takes the cake was BFA era disc. Seen one motherfucker kite 30 fucking hordies back when they introduced zerging pvp dailies
>>727790246That's just matchmaking being fucked in general.Whenever I fucked around and did BGs it almost always put me against people with no gear at all and I could pretty much do whatever I want since I would barely ever que them.Just killing people by sending my pet at them on a hunter. The gear gap in WoW is insane.
>>727788506Oh yeah, because GDKPs totally reduce the amount of gold that's botted/paid for with real money. Yeah, in an MMO where gear can decide about social standing and is instrumental to other activities (PvE and PvP), allowing it to be bought with gold will *decrease* the value of said gold, which means people will be less likely to cheat to obtain it
>>727782190>changed dungeon finder from a post board to an auto join>introduced cross realm dungeon finder>changed badge loot from supplementing gear to full on welfare epics
>>727790246healers need to be even stronger in bg pvp thoughin arena they have to live through 2 melee zugging ontop of them, in a BG they would need to handle twice that or theyll be obliterated instantly
>>727788506everybody knows tbc attunements were a mistake so they nerfed it all in tbc classic
>>727790867It changed nothing though. Gigaservers are super expensive, botted to hell, and everything is for sale.So glad they canceled SOD for a third iteration of TBC.
>>727788506Outside Sporeggar you'd almost certainly be revered by the time you hit 70, and if you weren't just doing the requisite dungeon for the gear you'd need was trivial anyway.
>>727791271Crazy to me playing classic people literally didn't even bother to do the nerfed version and I watched a guild disband because not enough people unlocked Tempest Keep because they had to do half of SSC on heroic.
>>727791351It's expensive because people buy gold and if GDKPs were in, they would have to buy even more because you can forget about getting your precious BiS if any loser can swipe their credit card indefinitely. Look at Era servers, they have 1/7 of Anniversary's pop but consumes cost 1/2 to 1/3 as much. Like it or not, gold farming is still one of the pillars of Classic's gameplay, the game that everyone loves so fucking much they keep coming back for re-releases. You seem to be unaware that GDKPs removed that pillar but, and that part is even more crucial, they were on the way to remove another, which is guild activity and earning gear through raids. If GDKPs were allowed to stay as they are, they'd made WoW even more P2W which would ultimately kill the game for good
>>727790953I like bg precisely because kills are fast and positioning is the single most important aspect. Hate arena 15 minute bitchslap fights like you wouldnt believe. I dread to even think of something like that but with 20-30 players. If anything I would massively buff healer damage but quintuple (yes not joking) the cost of healing spells in bg
>>727781043yup, they should've called it season 2 to be honest
>>727791857I was on the same server as Henry Cavil and I can tell you people loved him in their GDKPs since they would just make 100k+ gold.Obviously Henry Cavil is a big gold farmer.
>>727790953Vanilla WSG premade vs premade is the best pvp that the game has ever had, chasing a healer around a pillar for 20 minutes is not fun. Also the most balanced that pvp has ever been, the optimal setup is 1 of each class, literally perfect balance.
>>727781912You have to find people who will do level 60 dungeons for no reason. The only level 60 raid I got to do was AQ when it opened on the server which is a once in a server event
>>727781043>it's called an expansion>kills off Wpvp>kills off pvp progression thanks to Arenas>kills off world due to raid logging and rep farming to raid log>kills off Faction identity by giving ally shaman and horde pallys>sets in stone that the current raid teir is the only one that matters and gear from older content instantly gets replaced by blues from new expansion>makes raiding the only end game content
>>727782323>the last two levels of the journey were spent grinding mobs or dungeonsThis isn't a huge problem at all. I would rather level with just dungeons if I had the choice because you are at least being a team member and socializing or getting items. Most of the time questing will be solo and you're grinding anyway you're just getting more exp from turning in
>>727792072No shit, people would love you if you would print counterfeit money and give it to them because they're morons and don't understand the process actually robs them if it happens on a large enough scale, which is exactly what happened to 2019 servers, where people had more gold than WotLK/Cata characters ever had before TBC was out.>>727792131>Vanilla WSG premade vs premade is the best pvp that the game has ever hadI'm gonna chime in for a second and chastise you for thinking druids abusing pixel jumps is your idea of ideal pvp
>>727792131I didn't realize 2 priest 2 mage 2 druid was one of each class.
>>727792332if anything classic proved quests are pointless because zoomies would rather spell cleave instances until max level
>>727781043Gadgetzan pvp was the funnest, the goblin would immediately wrap you and kill you for hostility, but some people exploited the guards, they gave the goblins guns so they could reach them. Love Gadgetzan.
>>727781043It actually didn't. The first time the base content was retracted was in WotLK when Naxx and Onyxia were retuned for level 80.
>>727781912When expansion content comes out, all the old content is dusted away into the corner, never to be seen againOnly after multiple expansions will you go back into the old content to just solo it and get the transmogs
>>727787439>also "world pvp" was just one-sided ganks 95% of the time, don't kid yourselfGanks are invisible social design that people don't notice until it's gone like recruiting dungeon groups with chat and physically meeting at the entrance. In most areas you can ask for help on chat and defense parties may form. Someone could become your buddy just because they killed as asshole for you. My harshest criticism is there's contested territories that there's no reason for high level members of your own faction to be in the area. I also think the game could've let you escape high levels ganks easier even if you can't win a fight.
this expansion was good because the zones were so cool and it really expanded WoW into feeling more sci fi without ruining the general fantasy vibe
>>727793043>Ganks are invisible social design that people don't notice until it's goneBecause the only people who genuinely care about wPvP are the loud minority of screaming niggers complaining about how they can't go nuke people 100 levels lower than them who can't fight back.Nobody liked this except faggots who were doing this nobody fondly remembers the time they they were corpse camped by some loser with nothing better to do but kill level 30's in STV.
>>727792220>which is a once in a server eventThis was always such a stupid fucking game design choice. Fuck FOMO shit. Events should be once a month or at the very least 6 times per year with the exception of holiday events.
