>small indie dev uses AI to assist with textures and other features because artists are expensive>put in the same retard corral as games that use AI for everything else up to and including codingHow is this fair?
>>727798138You use AI, you are slop.So simple...I belive in humanity.
>>727798138>agree that if you use AI a mark will be put on your game>use AI>mark is put on game>WOOOOOOOOOOOW THATS LIKE NOT THE SAME AS SOMEONE ELSE DUUUDEYou agreed to the ToS chuddy
>>727798138The AI Juden badge was created by the artists who want you to pay them $50 to draw ONE 32 by 32 texture.Look at what pixel artists charge. Lol.
>>727798236Texture artists are mostly jeets. It's not a respected art field at all, because artists want to draw cool shit, not the surface of rocks.
I don't support AI but I am smart enough to know that it is inevitable. I for one, kneel to our new robot overlords. What are you AI deniers going to do when AI becomes so good that you can no longer distinguish it from AI? Right now you can instantly recognize AI slop because it's slop. But what are you flesh bags gonna do when it's actually good. The day is certain. Tick tock. Lol.
>>727798570Sora 2 is almost good enough to fool most reasonable people if you get lucky enough to get a good gen.Everyone is just mad because they know the day is quickly approaching when you can't instantly recognize it is AI anymore.This is the real reason people hate AI so much. But some people hate it because it's genuinely bad right now and not as good as human slop.Lol.
>>727798138>be small indie dev before AI>actually gives a fuck >work around expensive needs and works out for the better>game is a success>be small indie dev with AI>lazy fucking faggot>blames cost that he has to use ai>game is shit and flopssimple as
The point of AI is the point to replace jeet slave labor rampant in the industry. There's nothing wrong with it
>>727798138>i cheaped out on making my game>now you need to pay me to play the game that i refused to pay forNo thanks. If you cheap out on your game then I will cheap out on your game. Deal with it.
>>727798138if anything, AI coding is more acceptable than using it for assets. Sure, people might be able to oppose it, but who can tell? It doesn’t impact how the player interacts or experiences the game.>but what if it sucks?Plenty of games have shitty code, but the reason it’s shitty is much harder to detect. What is the difference between shitty code and AI code? I’m not necessarily supporting shitting out bad code using AI, but my point is that the customer simply can’t tell.Opposingly, AI assets are front and center. If anything, assets should be the main thing that mandates AI labels simply because, of the two, it’s the only enforceable case.
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>>727798138>suck only one cock>people call you gay nowWho would have thought, OP?
>>727798678>one day it'll become perfect because uh...it just will ok?
>>727798739See, this is a good point. But ai trannies will seethe at this very response.
>>727798138If the dev cared they wouldn't want to use AI in the first place. It a marker basically labeling games by default that they will suck ass as it should be.
>>727798819>The point of outsourcing to jeets is the point to replace white expensive labor rampant in the industry. There's nothing wrong with it
>>727798918Coding is literally zombie/monkey work so that point kinda makes sense.Coding is just the means to the end and it really has no soul to it like all the other parts of making a game do.I'd rather play an entirely ai generated game than a game made by liberals though.At least the AI game has more soul than them libsLol.
>>727798819this, people happily buy games developed by jeets and support the heckin' jewerinos but are stupid scared by a super software tool? gimme a break, why wont gaben add an indian and a david star disclaimer to steam too?
>>727799071>culture war cattlepost ignored
>>727798138You can do what developers have done for decades and just photo bash textures out of shit taken from old stock image CDs. You can buy those for dirt cheap these days. That has more soul and creative intent behind it than samey AI slop. AI is never a good option.And for the record, I'd rather have stuff people actually put thought and effort into than garbage that comes out of thinking of any part of a CREATIVE endeavor as "busywork that doesn't need a human touch."
>>727798819Then why is it all the whites are being replaced by nepo jeets who use AI?
>generate texture>use the ai image as a reference>redraw it>have asset made by humans>no longer required to say you used slop>retards can't talk shit (they wouldn't have noticed anyway)
>>727799071>game needs 6 million RAM and 6 billion TB of HD spacea-At least I'm owning the libs!
>>727798138>because artists are expensivelmao
>>727799145This anon gets it
>>727798819>incompetent 3rd world slave labour replaced with inherently flawed automated printerboth are incredibly shit but Jeet slave labour wins out since there’s someone to scream at for their retardation and there’s a 0.02% chance they’ll actually improve, meanwhile AI is stuck in this constant loop of being absorbent dogshit with seemingly no improvement for 3 years straight while they keep throwing another billion at it every month
>>727799168ai can optimize code, a danger hair can't
>>727799071>>727799613>im a tech illiterate retard and i have no idea what i'm talking about. my knowledge and experience with this subject is zero. please take my opinion seriouslyYou should kill yourself instead.
>>727798138Coding is the only thing it's justified to use AI for
>>727799613>ai can optimize codeYou're as dumb as jeet and probably browner.
>>727799730>>727799992>no unice arguments
>>727798570The problem is that, it will inevitably collapse, as AI is increasingly becoming self-referential. Certain bugbears will never go away, because AI generated material is informing more and more of what AI generates. AI is becoming LESS true to life and lucid over time, not more, because the things AI wants to do anyways are being shown to it as possibilities. No new model has addressed this, and newer models are more influenced by it than older ones. The only way to fix it now, is to clearly label things that are AI generated, so AI won't use them for its own databases... which means anyone can tell. The simple fact is, AI should have been restricted to more auxiliary tasks from the beginning, and the fact that it wasn't will be its undoing. Maybe it'll come back after some revising, maybe it won't. I suspect not for a good while, because when the bubble pops, it's taking the US economy with it, and nobody is going to willingly follow in the footsteps of the largest economy in the world dying to this shit, no matter how much it was actually due to retarded economic practices, not an inherent property of the technology itself.
>>727800089My argument is that you should commit suicide because the world would be a better place without you.
If you want to release a genAI slop product for free, that's debatably okay (it's still questionable)But unironically why the fuck would you expect me to pay for that shit. Make it yourself, retard, I'M NOT BUYING PROMPTS.
>>727800149>because AI generated material is informing more and more of what AI generatesI’ve said it before, but I think that AI could actually be a method of modeling genealogy. I’m not a biologist, but I think you could prolly write a pretty cool paper on it if you were.
>>727798236Fpbp
>>727798819You know what's a better course of action than to pay hundreds of brownoids and fresh Full Sail graduates across six different offices in four different countries, then having them all be tard wrangled by the 30 competent people on the project?You know what's a better course of action than paying huge usage fees to waste electricity and strain supply chains just to get incoherent AI slop that you need to revise anyway?The answer is the same for both.You just pay those 30 competent people more money to do the work themselves and another 10 or 20 apprentices to support them and gain some experience, so you have about 50 competent people for the next project. Fuck this "hire a million people so it looks like you're gearing up for something huge, shitting out a product plagued by delays and controversies and comes out looking like dogshit anyway, only to shitcan the vast majority of it all so you can repeat the cycle next year" bullshit.You'd think they'd see all these games being made by small competent teams that end up with huge profit margins and they'd realize there's some merit to doing that themselves. But no. It's always the same hiring and firing gish gallop to make the shareholders giggle and clap.
>I pee in the poop>called pee poop manHOW DID THIS HAPPEN?
>>727798138Yeah man indie games were literally impossible before generative AI.
Artists are not that fucking expensive, especially if one is actually on-board for your project. Everybody wants a free pass for AI usage and nobody's getting it.
>>727800089>jeet reading comprehension Go figure.
>>727798138The honest truth is that within a year or two, nobody will give a shit about the AI tag other than some seething artfags. Everyone will be using this shit eventually.
lets be fucking real here, single person indie projects have existed well before AI and got around these problems and came out fine. The only excuse for using AI is because you're a lazy fuck and want to cut corners. And consumers know that if the creator is so lazy they cut corners with AI in one area then its a red flag that the entire project is probably full of cut corners. Why do you think shitty devs hate the AI label? Because its a brand that may as well say "I'm a lazy nigger and there isn't anything here worth your money"
>>727798138You are legitimately better off having bad art than AI art.
>>727800303I agree with you in theory, but from my understanding it's that modern vidya development requires so much menial asset work that you simply couldn't get 20 well trained employees to do it. The idea is that they'd be focus on more pressing parts of the game, while the hundreds of jeets/AI do the grunt work for textures and small assets. That's my understanding at least. Modern games are just so much bigger than older games, and have so much more "shit" to be made
I care more about devs who use AI for textures and art than I care about devs who use AI for coding.I 100% support small devs using AI for coding as long as they test it and trim it, but for textures and other stuff, there is no excuse.
>>727800619Wheedling about AI not being acceptable "even in small projects or one-man projects" is pretty much the AI concern trolling attempt at getting a slippery-slope into mass acceptance started, glows in the dark almost
>>727799613Ai should be kept as far away from coding as possible. At MOST, it should be used for making standalone, short form processes, never actually touch codebase. There's a lot of reasons for this, but the three big ones are1. Making code that works is easy. AI can do this. Making code that doesn't stop working, is very very difficult, and AI cannot do it. AI cannot foresee problems, future proof code, anticipate stresses, ect. It makes something that works now.2. Related to 1, but fundamentally different. AI is utterly incapable of meaningfully planning for hostile actions against its code. AI is completely retarded when it comes to pre-emptive cyber security. Compounding this, is the massive security risk of people being able to reverse engineer your code, by just finding out which AI module you used to code something (or just cold trying the 4 or 5 most popular ones at the time), and then getting samples of your codebase. This is the shit that can get REALLY fucking bad. And then, as if that weren't enough, I know from experience, the issue that is, AI is such a fucking pushover that you can actually get access to shit you shouldn't be able to, by fucking begging for it, or just lying to it and saying you actually should. 3. AI cannot easily tell you what it did, or why it did what it did. If you have ever entered a new position, and revieved The Notebook,/Document, in which the person who last held your position has tried their best to explain all the shit they did, why they did what they did, and what you need to do to build off it, you understand the problems of every single position no longer having this documentation. Except worse, because now this can happen to things you THINK you understand, but can change radically while you're not looking. Your own codebase becomes fucking Hogwarts, where stairs and doorways just lead wherever the fuck they feel like, without rhyme or reason.
>>727798236>slopunironically calling anything "slop" immediately invalidates anything you have to say, fuck off with this faggot buzzword already, goddamn.
RAM has shot up to nearly $1000 for a small 32GB set.SSDs are also shooting up in price.GPUs, even lower end ones like ARC B580, have been in scarcity and inflated prices for half a decade and are only getting worse.Who do you think you're fooling, coming in here and still trying to evangelize in favor of aislop at this point? At this point, people would react the same to your precious datacenters being cratered the way they reacted to the united health CEO being shot.
>>727800303You're under the retarded assumption that everything bad is because browns and not because white millennials are lazy faggots who never learned anythingAll the white boomer talent is dying and those "incompetent browns" have been picking up the slack for last couple of decades.The truth of the matter is there is simply no good talent in America. All the good whites are in Europe, the rest of the talent is in the third world
>>727798138Artists aren't expensive. Also bad art has more soul than AI art.
>>727800880This is giving me flashbacks to a certain type of people bitching about being called "weird" a couple years back
>>727800895the truth most pol niggers don't want to hear. Jeets aren't taking white jobs, they're taking vacant spots because Americans are turbo retarded. Europe has no shortage of white talent, you only see this bitching from no education ameriturds
>>727800895Brown hands typed this post.
So, just to be clear, me, as a poorfag and shit at drawing should make shitty sprites with my lack of talent and people would be better receptive of my shitty game than if I use an AI to make the character sprite?Asking if that is the ideal or not.
>>727801023>Jeets aren't taking white jobs, they're taking vacant spots because Americans are turbo retarded.Without jeets what do you think would happen to those jobs? Their bosses would be forced to raise the incentives to attract labor. But that costs money, so they spend money lobbying to import third worlders to work those jobs for less money, which in turn keeps wages low for everyone.
>>727800303Or just stop having 600000 different rock models that need to all be textured for "immersion", and just have 40 rocks. Nobody cares that much about rocks.People have gotten used to the idea of massive quantities of grunt work hours existing, and relying on those to brute force problems instead of coming up with clever or reasonable solutions to problems.
>>727801104Unironically, you would get the best reception if you used AI and didn't disclose it.You would get bad reception if you used AI and disclosed it.And you would get the worst reception if you drew the shit yourself. Because ultimately people hate shitty artwork.They only hate AI if they know it is ai, if you slip it under their noses, they don't notice. For example, on TikTok, AI videos are extremely popular, more popular than normal videos recently, because people don't know it's ai anymore.
>>727801187welcome to capitalism
>>727801104Just use AI. These retards crying about people in your position are just screeching because they know they'll be replaced. It's an ideal too for someone like you - building something from scratch with no capital. In a few years this will be more common place and they'll quiet down. Remember - the current industry is filled with people who literally contribute nothing, and they're scared of losing their jobs. The loud twitterites support those parasites. They think people are entitled to jobs they're shit at.
>>727801289It's true.People just hate AI because it makes them wanna kill themselves because they spent 20 years learning how to draw and they are getting mad that people are generating images in 5 seconds now. Lol.
>>727798138Its fair because you both have to disclose it. So if you dont want to be classified with "some retard" then dont do what retards do. All of gaming up until now did not rely on AI for textures all of a sudden you are astro turfing that its totally necessary and the poor wittle indie devs just cant develop without it
>>727801250>you would get the best reception if you used AI and didn't disclose it.People are gonna notice. There's daily crash-outs and burn-outs about Steam forcing AI disclosure, and the community-report feature forcing disclosure even if Valve doesn't catch it at first. Guys are FUCKING O B S E S S E D with trying to sneak AI into projects like they're sneaking corn starch into soups, but at least corn starch actually works at what it does in soup.
>>727800429The economic argument doesn't even make that much sense. Unless you're using a local model, the cost of using a cloud based AI model to generate art adds up quickly.Here's how it usually goes:>Subscribe to a service for $39.99 a month>Get 4000 Blorp Tokens a day>Burn through those 4000 Blorp Tokens in an hour, tweaking the prompt and rerolling seeds desperately trying to get the model to give you what you want>Oops, you're out of Blorp Tokens. >Either sit on your ass waiting for midnight to roll over to do it all again, or shell out another $19.99 for 4000 more Blorp Tokens>Congratulations, you eventually have one (1) asset, out of dozens you still need. >working with a real artist doesn't seem so expensive now t. aspiring gamedev who was considering this shit at one point.
>>727801104A game being slop is worse than a game having some bad art.
>>727801425Yeah even the cost-savings argument doesn't hold up at all if you're actually looking at this shit. It's just shilling and trolling, and these guys wonder why everybody is fucking sick of them.
>>727800895>>727801023>noooo it's your fault why didn't you go into $80k of debt to get degrees and then get passed over for the jobs and be told you don't have the skills anyway and should just die>btw europeans are perfect and teh bestest and DO AMERICANS REALLY!!?!?!?!?!As if anyone needed reminding europeans love to huff their own farts and post bullshit on 4chan because they can't do anything in the real world.
Valve is using AI to make Deadlock (concept art and code) and didn't disclose and no one gives a shit. There's no reason to disclose unless its obvious you used AI and even then you shouldn't disclose because you're just setting yourself up for a review bomb.
>>727801187you're skipping the part where there's no talent to even hire in America because millennials are all retarded whiners. >>727801349Those people never liked making art anyway, fuck them. Sellouts in it for the money >>727801060>capitalized BrownBased respecter. You iight White boy
>>727801104I mean, you could learn some basic principles of pixel art in a couple months. Kids learn it as a hobby just to melt together plastic beads for stupid trinkets. It's not that hard.
>>727801512Anon. You don't need to go to college to build a portfolio for coding or drawing. These are things the average American is too lazy to do, because they're entitled and demand to be hired on their word alone and le "firm handjob"
Here's my opinions on AI.Why are they allowed to use copyrighted material to "train" the AIs?If you don't know what AI training is, here's a rundown, the AI needs to study materials in order to learn how to copy the source material. That's how an AI works by the way.But these companies are using copyrighted material to train their ais, that's why the AI is always familiar with copyrighted material.Why is that allowed? It's too late to stop it now, all those AI companies already did it.I think the most acceptable use of AI is a replacement for search engines. Because I'm sick of not finding answers on Google when ChatGPT is more organized and logical than Google search results now. It's just a better search engine. Lol.
>>727801516>no one gives a shitabout deadlock? true.
>>727801104>there this one skill that's important for a game that i don't have>no i will not hire someone do it for me either>how will this affect how much money people give me?Why does every retard think that their game deserves money? People will shovel out garbage and flood steam with it because they believe that merely making a video game means that they deserve money. No, your piece of shit platformer made up entirely of stock assets should not be on steam, it should be on itch.io as a free hobbyist project instead of shitting up the virtual shelves of online stores. Trying to find anything decent on digital stores is getting harder because every moron with unity thinks that making babby's first game should make them a millionaire overnight, holy shit stop making me sort through your garbage FUCK
>>727798138NOOO I CANT TAKE A PICTURE OF DIRT THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND EDIT IT TO SUIT MY PURPOSES, I NEED A ROBOT TO DO ITI CAN MAKE A GAME BUT I CANT LEARN PHOTOSHOP
>>727801512>why didn't you go into $80k of debt to get degreesOr, you know, maybe Europeans are ahead because education is free?
>>727801623>aijeet making shit up yet again
You can already deceive braindead boomers with AI by the way. We are already at that stage. Lol.
>>727798138>I only used AI for textures, I swear!You can literally just get some store-bought texture packs. No one will fault you for using store-bought assets for minor things like textures and background decorations.If you use AI to make textures, people are going to assume that you used it for bigger and more important things as well, because you probably did.
>>727801661insanely based post steam greenlight needs to come back
>>727801534Third world countries are shit because the people in them are shit.
>>727801745your portfolio? Perfect time for you to own and destroy a stupid lying "jeet" by just simply proving you've put in the minimum amount of work required to succeed
>>727801104I mean, look at Undertale. Besides the music, which, hey, the main talent of Toby Fox is music composition, all the assets, coding, ect of Undertale is INCREDIBLY amateurish. Deltarune, too. Deltarune took as long as it has, because Toby Fox was using a game engine wrong, in a way that it HATED, and needed outside help to enable this. And if there's one thing people complain about in Undertale or Deltarune, it isn't the art assets, and people mostly only complain about the coding of Deltarune, in the vein of trivia, because most people don't care that much, and "thing made wrong is funny" culture being a thing. People are more than willing to not crucify Undertale for the way it looks, and in fact some people quite like it the way it is, low artistic quality it has or otherwise. People are more than happy to enjoy something that's a bit sub-standard as long as it's made with love, and has the obvious qualities of the creator caring. If you're COMPLETELY inept at a particular facet, which isn't that unlikely, that's when you find someone to help with that part. If you can't compose to save your life, find a composer.
>>727798138Just be your own artist.
>>727801719>free (paid for through sky-high taxes)You twats circlejerk about having bread slicing machines because you enjoy paying more to do the slicing yourself. You aren't fooling anyone with your false sense of superiority.
>>727801516>Valve is using AI to make Deadlock (concept art and code) and didn't disclose and no one gives a shit. No they aren't, that interview specifies one dipshit engineer using it as a glorified Google search, and it answered a matchmaking algorithm question he probably could have gotten the same answer from by getting up from his desk and asking somebody else at another cubicle ten seconds away. AI itself hasn't touched any of Deadlock's code or art.
My thing is, I cannot wait for the bubble to burst. I fail to see how it will affect my job working at Walmart. I felt no different during the 2008 crisis as well and at least that one made some sense since it was tied to everyday people taking out loans from banks on houses they shouldn't be able to afford.This is just big companies going all in on stupid shit....
>>727800880Ok, slop
>>727798138>use AI for hobbyist endsI sleep>use AI for profit>>>727800880kill yourself you weird slopper
>>727801787I'd argue they make better workers simply by virtue of those people being more desperate to learn things to get money to feed their familiesIf people being born in a bad situation makes them shit, what does it say of those who were born into an easy life and somehow failed and are less successful than the shit people who made it?If some low IQ seafag can learn to draw and animate so well he gets hired by a Japanese animation company, id consider him far more valuable than some American fresh out of calarts
>>727801104Unquestionably. If you didn't care enough to make it, I don't care enough to play it
>>727798138You are supposed to lie. Use AI and explicitly market your games as being made by "real humans", then accuse your competitors of using AI even if they haven't.
>>727798138video game artists are getting evicted and are starving because of ai-apologists like yougo fucking kill yourself
>>727800870so ai is just as weak at coding as an average coder and needs supervision of qualified people, is that what you're trying to say? because i agree
>>727801994If they're so much better than why is their country so shit? These countries are filled with geniuses and top tier talent but somehow they're still poor shitholes?
Are you familiar with the practice of food companies putting "made with real cheese" on their labels?This is like the future of video game development.It is going to be a flex in the future to say "made by humans" on your video game.On the bright side, I think people who make art by themselves might get more credit in the future, because of AI.What's going to happen is that there will be so many indian sloppers making AI shit, that people who actually make games themselves without the use of AI will be seen as "premium games" of higher quality, and therefore, people who would have been ignored in the past will be acknowledged in the future, just because they were not lazy and decided to make a game themselves.It will be a badge of pride to put the made by humans label on your game in the future.Lol.
>>727802050>Video game artistsNo such thing. You're either an artist, or a busker. If you sell your property to other men to use as assets you're a cuck and a sell out
>>727801904>sky-high taxesI'm not the one in debt, fat Anon. I hope you don't get ill for all that lard and have to get another mortgage for the medical bill.
>>727801904>free (paid for through sky-high taxes)EU isn't a regulatory body for taxes, that's on a per-country basis unless it's VATTaxes are higher in the more Slav-adjacent EU countries than in the more British-adjacent EU countries
>>727799613>I listen to propaganda from techbros, who financially benefit from AI, say that AI can code literal god.>While in reality, AI code has given Windows the worst bugs it has ever gotten.
>>727802025Thinking like a real businessman lol.
>>727802087War, Jews, Alphabet agencies. Take your pick anon. The USA is similarly run by corrupt and demonic retards. The power is not in the hands of the common man, and blaming a people for their leaders incompetence doesn't make a lot of sense It's why most of these people leave their countries and immediately succeed
>>727798138Yeah, jeet, if you're trying to cut the corners, 1 drop of piss or the entire bottle doesn't change your scamming intentions
>>727802218Is Windows actually using AI code?That's depressing. Maybe Linux was right lol.
How? How do I get AI to make textures for my shitty game?
>>727802057>ai is just as weak at coding as an average coderNTA but AI is as bad as an outsourced jeet who doesn't give a fuck and it takes more time to fix their shitty code than writing it up from from scratch.
>>727802218>ai inserted itself into windows by free will, not because of the indians miss using it
>>727802336>>727802306
>>727802218Yeah idk how anyone can say that AI coding is any good when Windows 11 is a complete fucking mess because of it.
>>727801473I imagine it's your typical "it saves costs in my perfect world". They only have to pay a flat subscription to make what they want and have full control....then they run into the reality. Like that's apparently a common thing where a company laysoff its employees to replace with ai agents then they realize the agents suck and they need real people who know what they're doing.
>>727802050It looks like everyone is starving but instead of helping each other, slopers think they have a winning strategy in this casino
>>727802102>Are you familiar with the practice of food companies putting "made with real cheese" on their labels?No, not really. What kind of dystopian third world shithole does that?
>>727798423The amount of over-charging these hacks do is insaneTake for examples emotes. They cost like what, 30 bucks per drawing when I've seen artist in livestream finish one in like 20 minutes.
>>727802143>gets blown the fuck out>has nothing left>starts crying "a-americans are f-fat" because all his tax-funded education could do was teach him how to repeat phrases>>727802087Because aijeet there can only post in ways that benefit the aislop he's trying to sell. Even Elon Musk has the same bullshit talking points, shitting on everyone native to a nation in favor of importing h1bs and using aislop.
>>727802256>ayo its cus whitey is raycis and shietWhy do brown people refuse to blame anyone other than themselves? White people did not force you to shit in the street, white people are not why you can't figure out how to build advanced tech, it is entirely your own fault.
>>727798138>I want special treatment because uh...I'm not lazy I'm...poor!
>>727801930Absolutely nothing will happen. Nothing ever happens....
>>727802494Freudian slip? Nowhere in my post did I blame whites. It's almost like you want to be a victim
>>727802386>Like that's apparently a common thing where a company laysoff its employees to replace with ai agents then they realize the agents suck and they need real people who know what they're doing.this happened to my own company and I work for a global chemical manufacturer. They fired staff who are meant to configure customer designs into functional chemicals but the AI just sucked and didn't work at all. The result was the sole human left doing the work of his entire team while being forced to use AI.
>>727802386>Like that's apparently a common thing where a company laysoff its employees to replace with ai agents then they realize the agents suck and they need real people who know what they're doing.Yeah this is an almost universal corporate experience so far, dipshit managers and executives are really aggressive about replacing all their IT staff and helpers with AI assistants that promptly can't do jack shit and/or get confused 24/7 and are expensive and require a subscription service to maintain. They end up losing money and providing vastly worse service and either sheepishly rehire everybody or hire new people to replace the ones they fire.
>>727802057KindaExcept you can eventually turn a mediocre coder into a quality coder, or at least instill best practices in them, to make supervising them easier. You can, in fact, wrangle your web design team into making things in a way that means IT doesn't have to completely work over the code to get it to fit into something. You can, in fact, point at a thing someone has done, and say "don't do this ever again", and expect they probably won't do it again, if you've been explicit.AI is immune to tard wrangling. Its retardation cannot be stopped, and its capacity for retardation is greater than any human's, because at LEAST even the most retarded human can only work at the speed of a retarded human, and is limited in the amount of damage they can do before someone notices and stops them, whereas an AI can create MONTHS of maintenance/damage control work in one bad afternoon.
>>727802494Jews did not force you to chop off your dick tips and worship them either but here you are on your knees sucking your Chosen Masters brown cocks
>>727798423>very simpleAnd its most of the time fairly mediocre stuff as well. And it might even need multiple revisions.Why is it always that the people who are not involved in projects giving demands that others would have to pay for.Its the whole migration issue all over again, but with AI. Its pure fucking virtue signaling, where people are all in favour until you ask them to pay for it. Same shit with AI now, oh yeah, every indie should use proper Art! What, they need to make 200k sales at 30% now? How did this happen?!?! How could a dev working part time one a project not afford multiple tens of thousands of dollars?! What a shocker.
>>727798236Humanity, lmao
>>727802640>warEvery country has been through wars, not an excuse.>jewsSo what, the jews have it out for brown countries specifically and allow other countries to be rich? So the jews are racist and keeping the brown man down while making the white man rich?>alphabet agenciesYeah the CIA stole all of the toilets, that's why. Also whenever someone in a third world shithole makes a scientific breakthrough the CIA sneaks into their house and kills them before they can get rich off of it.
>>727802804see>>727801661You are not entitled to other people's money because you figured out how to make an asset flip in unity.
>>727802804>AIfags are pro-illegal immigration for that sweet sweatshop labor
>>727798739>be small indie dev before AI>actually gives a fuck>work around expensive needs and works out for the better>game is a success>be small indie dev with AI>lazy fucking faggot>blames cost that he has to use ai>game is shit and flops>simple asBullshit.>game is a success first of all, is something pulled out of your ass. Very few actually had a success on their hands. And the margins were smaller than ever.AI is literally just a tool. If a lazy person uses it, its going to be a shitshow. If someone who wants to make a proper project a reality uses it, it might turn into something great. Otherwise why did devs ever switch over to IDEs? Probably because they are lazy right? Not because its actually a useful tool that saves time and can produce a better end product.... nah, just lazynes. Real games are made in text editors like notepad! Everyone else is a lazy jeet.
>>727802946>So what, the jews have it out for brown countries specifically and allow other countries to be rich? So the jews are racist and keeping the brown man down while making the white man rich?Yeah? The fuck so you think Hollywood is? Their free advertising for your race for funding their genocide in the Middle EastTheir favorite and most loyal goy, until you got too uppity. Yikes, didn't turn out well for Europe in any case. Sell your soul to the devil, win evil surprises I suppose
>>727798138>use AI for game>get put into category that uses AI for gamesIt's so unreasonable and unfair.
>>727799145>You can do what developers have done for decades and just photo bash textures out of shit taken from old stock image You can't. People will actually sue you for it now. Old devs got away with it because the odds of someone finding it, were slim to none. Now with the internet people found shit like the broken glass texture from DMC and RE and capcom got sued over it. Its actually better to use AI and have things where nobody can claim ownership over it, than to photobash and get sued.
>>727803256>i cant figure out advanced manufacturing because...the jews >i cant figure out how to build a tech industry because...uh...the jews stole my computers
>>727803345Most old devs and most modern ones use stock libraries, Capcom got sued because they were dumb.
>>727801425Genuine question. Why would you not use a local model? Unless you are trying to generate 4k textures, which sounds stupid, a local model should offer you more flexibility, and should not have any stupid limits built in where "creative" prompting is required.
can i get someone to answer please >>727802312
>>727802704>AI is immune to tard wranglingai cant learn? what is "machine learning" all about then?>AI can create MONTHS of maintenance/damagejust use it in a closed environment that you have an external backup
>>727803408>The Jews are genociding me!!!>The Jews are an elite evil cabal destroying wiyppo aiyeeeeThat's right the Jews favorite goylems are the REAL VICTIM
>>727803540explain why your country can't figure out how to manufacture high value capital goods
I refuse to pay
>>727803408>>i cant figure out how to build a tech industryHow are these semiconductors going, mutt?
>>727803345You can just buy the stock assets. They're not very expensive.
>>727798138If its so easy, why don't you guys make your own AI-free game then?
>>727801635>Why are they allowed to use copyrighted material to "train" the AIs?Because they have the money to pay the fine. It really should not have been legal, but they paid the fine already so now they get to keep the stolen goods. Its wild. Imagine a robber stealing your car, but because he paid a fine worth a fraction of your car, he gets to keep the car and is free to do whatever.I assume they did not get hit harder, as in having to actually destroy the data they obtained trough illicit means, because too many large firms invested in them by that point. So it would absolutely cause a mini, or a large crash in the economy.
>>727803493what size
>>727803408>mexico literally just gets a Jewish president that begins assassinating everyone>NUH UH THE UNITED JEW STATES OF JEWMERICA IS NOT SUBVERTING YOUR COUNTRY >IS THAT A FISHING BOAT? BOMB IT NOW ISRAEL IS IN DANGER
>>727798138>small indie dev uses AI to>[x] don't show products from this developer anymore
>>727799071Good coding is the difference between a stable performance and frequent updates and a game that crashes constantly and needs a year for a minor shitty update. AI code slop is actually worse that art slop because shitty devs don't know the mess their making and it eventually leads the software to stop working with no one able to fix it.
>>727799062>>727799162>>727800303Yeah but these companies are NEVER going to start hiring full time white employees again so it's better overall if they just full switch to AI instead of temp hiring jeets every month and giving them money
>>727803585You're describing America? You guys import everything lolCountry of the unskilled
>>727801773>You can literally just get some store-bought texture packs.Oh, so I should pay someone else to use their AI generated assets? Well that sounds stupid.Also a great way to make your game look like an asset flip, when you have different assets that subtly clash with each other, and its obvious that there is no cohesion.10/10 advice from a nodev.
>>727803690my penis or the sprites?
>>727798138I will ask again: If AI is so good, what's the problem of saying to people that you used AI?>People will get angry.Then it's... not good, right?
>>727798138I support ai in games because it will make games cooler and more accessible, that's all
>>727803696>that begins assassinating everyonewow all of your scientists and industrialists are being assassinated?>>727803781thirdie cope. you make cheap garbage, we make planes. that's why we're rich and you're poor.
>>727803713>just eat the goddamn bugsVery compelling argument.
>>727798138The only reason I can see an indie game needing ai is meta commentary on ai itself and even then that's debatable
>>727801425I used SUNO for music a while back and I felt it gave me too many fucking tokens I didn't know what to use them all for. Not sure if they changed it recently.
>wait a minute, why am I getting stupid prizes?
>>727803848>we'relmao ah I get it. You're one of those failed losers who coattails his country because he's got zero merits of his ownYou don't hate Browns, you're just venting about your own failures. I get it, I was that way too before I finished college. Just gotta pull yourself up by the bootstraps my boy, you'll get it when you're older
>>727803848>we make planesWhat a coincidence, we build these too.
>>727803051That literally has nothing to do with my post. Why do artists think they are entitled to my money? Why do voice actors think they are entitled to my money?If I cook a meal at home, will a chef break down my door and start screaming at me, because I used tools readily available to me to make food, when its actually his job!? If anything, other people are not entitled to unsolicited opinions about how one should develop a game. >>727803143That was actually an anti-migrant post.
>>727803508>what is "machine learning" all about then?A probability model converging toward whatever set of variable leads to a locally optimal error rating.
>>727804042>uh actually i'm european, not a third worlder!you are not white, pablo
>>727798138It doesn't matter if you use AI by an inch or a mile, using AI is using AI.
>>727804048>That literally has nothing to do with my post.You're complaining about not being able to make your money back because the game won't sell enough. The problem here is that you think people should give you money for your game.
>>727804108>not whiteMusic to an employers ears. It's how you know you're not hiring a whiny faggot waiting to unionize because he doesn't have a 3 hour lunch break
>>727801661Anon, I don't know what you read but your reply have nothing to do with that question, I don't see any mention of entitlement of money there, are you a schizo?
>4 days laterHere's your tileset bro.You get one free redo.Lol.
>>727804248Why do you care if someone complains about your free hobby project?
>>727804108>y-you can't be whiter than me and build more planes!Now that's coping.
>>727798138Couldn't you just... not say you're using AI even if you do?
>>727804048Based
>>727804265lmao looks like shit
>>727804324>conversation about brown third world countries>suddenly pretend that you're not a brown third worlder, you just feel bad for themlol ok
>>727804498>second guy butts in and reply just to be smug>"y-you can't be a smug european!"Lurk moar, mutt.
Because indie devs are expected to pay voice actors and digital artists enough to send their kids to college, chud.
>>727803661Correct, and why would I pay someone else to buy their AI generated slop? Also its not really cheap. And when you say stock assets, you clearly mean, buy stock assets, and then spend hours modifying them right? Or do you think that you can just pull random stock assets into godot and it will generate a perfect wall texture for your medieval wall?Look at this for example. This is the state of stock assets now. Its flooded with AI. Also, its definitely not cheap. 3$~ for adobes store, and you don't need 1 image to create an asset, you need 4-5, and at that point you are already doing an artists job.
>>727798138Either learn to make it yourself or learn to budget for an artist. Not a hard concept
>>727804048>That was actually an anti-migrant post.Was it though? Because it sounded pretty pro-migrant and simply deflecting that everyone is anti-migrant until the cost of production might reflect the wages they have to pay legal citizens. And then comparing that to AI.
>>727798236
>>727804875>take this brain and open your mindliteral ai slop writing logic
>>727804443Sure, then when people know you did (because all AI slop is blindingly obvious, and no amount of cope will change that) and you're reported for such your steam developer account, along with the tax identifier (typically social security number) used to register your Steam account is banned permanently and it's off to the 0 sales itch.io caves forever for you.
>>727798138its literally retarded normie npcs hating something new that they dont understand. same with crypto. most people are sheep.
>>727804196You seem to be a little thick. No, what I am saying is that if people want all the bells and whistles a AAA studio can provide and force that on indie studios, the indie scene will shrivel up. You can get cool cheap, smaller games because as a dev, you now have access to shortcuts. You don't need basically gamble on your game being a success by mortgaging your house.>>727804265Look at this shit. This is what 60$ gets you, and honestly, its not even the worst of it. And just to reiterate, its the exact opposite, I want to charge less money, if possible, I want to charge no money for my games, because I want people to play them. But if you force me to pay an artist 10k~ a voice actor 4k a week (lmao sag-aftra rates EKS DEE), then suddenly putting out a free game, or a cheap game is not an option anymore. Then you are forcing indies into the same situation as AAA is in, where you can only start projects that are guaranteed to bring a ROI or you can make projects if you already had a success, and you are now basically making a pet project that a previous soulless project paid for.
>>727803781That's because our raw materials manufacturers are fucked up by resting on their laurels, producing just enough to keep the price of their goods high, such that they can only be sold to the military industrial complex, the government, and the aviation industry.If you even try to start a new business and buy steel or aluminum directly from a manufacturer, they'll laugh you out and tell you to go through a middleman and eat their pointless markup, no matter how much you're willing to commit to purchasing over any duration.As an American company, it's much easier to have a direct supply relationship with a company in China than it is to have one with one that's literally down the fucking street.
>>727799613>ai can optimize codeAnd yet as the biggest companies implementing it like Microsoft and Nvidia started bringing AI into their coding you ended up with the past 2 years of Windows 11 updates and Nvidia drivers. While similar sector companies who didn't start jamming AI into their programming departments like AMD and Apple, have not seen these "mysterious, unexplainable" sudden catastrophic quality issues with their drivers and operating system.BIG THINK
>AI is BAD>You need to spend MONEY on your game to make it good!This is a 13 million dollar game that did not use any AI. It still is lacking voice acting because they couldn't even afford it with the 13 million dollar budget. Lol.
>>727805212>if people want all the bells and whistles a AAA studio can provide and force that on indie studios, the indie scene will shrivel uphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuous_truth
>>727804832No, it was meant to showcase a parallel between the pro-migrant camp which are very vocal about it, until someone asks them to house a migrant, or pay for housing one, and the anti AI crowd, which is anti AI until a small indie dev starts charging 30$ for their game and have to make 200k sales to break even because they hired a pixel artist.
>>727805237Why should I buy your game?
>>727805137They understand perfectly well.
>>727805231because they let jeets misshandle it, the biggest problem with ai coding by far is the lack of context given, jeets have no critical thinking to use it so it becomes worse than no ai
>>727805420Oh that's just a retarded argument.
>>727805404Oh shit, you learned a new word today and were eager to use it no matter if it fits or not? Good on you buddy.
>>727798138Good morning sir.
>>727805420>my game needs to make me a millionaire or else i refuse to make itThat's a good thing, we need LESS slop, not more. We have enough games, what we don't have enough of is quality.
>>727805498A bit, yes. But fuck me, I would rather have an indie dev use AI voicing for their game when all they used is a few grunts, rather than a community bullying them into potentially paying sag-afta prices. >>727805519>break even>means it has to make me a millionareAre you pretending?
>>727805510>slopper can’t readmakes sense
>>727798138I have played one genuinely good game that at one point had generated assets before being patched out. They were glaringly obvious and the worst part by far, and deserved the mark of shame until correctd.
>>727805672Indies were fine before AI, but now after AI they're struggling to make games without it?
>>727801967/thread
Alternatively, lie.How are they going to prove it? What are they going to do about it, take you to court?
>>727798138Just don't use AI. It's that simple.
>>727805813The court of public opinion, which is going to spank your ass cherry red.
>>727805420>aijeet complete with /pol/ book of talking points>doesn't comprehend that games up to this point have been made with hiring actual artistsIt's always the people who know the least about what they're talking about championing this garbage.
>>727805446I actually do make games and I don't use AI in them, but I still think AI games are going to be inevitable.The best use for AI in video games is probably letting you speak freely to unimportant NPCs.In all video games we can only choose prewritten dialogue options and the NPCs have to respond with prewritten responses. I think you could use an LLM to have conversations with the unimportant NPCs in the game.The important NPCs should still be written by humans though or else the story will be shit and the dialogue will be awful.But instead of unimportant extra characters just having one sentence to say every time you talk to them, they should have a scripted personality and you should be able to just have a text conversation with them. And I can't think of a better use for ai in video games than that, but I'm just saying it's going to become inevitable. And here's the hard to swallow pill. A lazy ass Indian developer would rather generate a game, and maybe a normal human being like you wouldn't buy the game, but maybe another retarded third worlder would buy the ai game. I don't use ai in my games but I can see it taking over one day lol.
>>727801425What a dumb argument. Even if it cost that amount(it doesn't), you could generate tens of thousands of images in that month while (1) artist would cost 100x the amount and create like 10000x less art. And it's not hard to use local models, only retards(you apparently) think it's difficult.>>727801635Why are you allowed to train on copyrighted data?Why can't someone use a tool to do it for them?This argument is stupid. What use is intelligence when it doesn't know anything? How are you supposed to use it if you can't communicate with it?>>727798236humanity made AI
>>727805813If AI is actually worse than human art, which it currently is, and might be for a long time, people who have good taste are always going to notice if something is ai. It's hard to ai generate a significant portion of your game without people noticing it. Unless your consumers are all retarded, unfortunately I think the gaming community has gotten a lot more retarded in the last few decades, so you might be able to find people who will stomach your slop. Lol.
>>727798236FPBP, rules are rules.
>>727805878Lmao, the public doesn't give a fuck. They care if the game is good. There's just a loud minority opposed to progress.
>>727805813>See slop, screenshot slop, game delistedAnd no, it's not indistinguishable
>>727805672It's a pretty flimsy false dichotomy, especially since one of the biggest games of the year that didn't use AI went out of their way to keep prices reasonable for buyers. Meanwhile massive corposhhit was shoveled out at full price while using blatant and shoddy AI. Nobody with a brain knows they have to pay extra for non-AI games nor that AI trash will pay their cost cutting forward.
>>727806029Yeah I'm sure your sophisticated tastes allow you to tell this brick wall texture was generated by AI and not an intern with photoshop.
>>727806076And the presence of slop negatively affects the quality of the game
>>727806076Okay, let's not get too crazy here.The average gamer does not care if the game is good. For example, GACHA games are successful. But I think people who are not retarded care if the game is good, and those are the people who are not going to play ai generated games, but they are probably a small minority in the video game market these days, lol.
>>727805908>The best use for AI in video games is probably letting you speak freely to unimportant NPCs.>In all video games we can only choose prewritten dialogue options and the NPCs have to respond with prewritten responses. I think you could use an LLM to have conversations with the unimportant NPCs in the game.This is such a stupid, brainlet "problem." You've got a game to play, not a robot to roleplay with. I don't need an LLM to churn out endless, meaningless dialogue. When the NPC stops saying new things you're supposed to move the fuck on. Pathetic holodeck niggers, the lot of you.
>>727805908Why the FUCK would I want to talk to a chatbot in a gameI would genuinely prefer they not be interactable at all
>>727806257Some people seem to believe that more is always more regardless of quality or some shit. *Any* scenario that just spews out filler at me is completely unacceptable
>>727798138The solution is simple. Just don’t tell anybody you used AI. If you do it right then nobody will be able to tell. This is not a real problem.
