Objectively better than Esoteric Reddit, at least has some identity on it's own other than being just "le funny quirky disco elysium dialogues but dungeons and dragons"
I forgot this came out
Does it feel like it's own thing?Does it feel like it's missing something now that the Disco Elysium team is splintered into however many groups?
>>739355776protagonist don t have a iota of harry charisma thou
>>739355776lol noesoteric ebb mogs the shit out of this
>>739356369>Does it feel like it's own thing?Yeah, pretty much shows that the team wanted to make their own thing, the forced comparison with DE comes from journos and fags on the internet
Male Protag Mod When
>forced comparison with DEShill or absolute bottom of the barrel 4chan poster? It's legitimately hard to tell.
>>739356649Come on, man, art direction and UI are clearly extremely similar.
It's over. It's all over
>>739358759my guy it's the next game of disco elysium devs
>>739359259It's not. Kurvitz isn't in ZA/UM anymore.
>>739359341???It is made by ZA/UM
>>739359364Please read my post again. ZA/UM isn't a factor here.
>>739359530i don't know what kurvitz is but it's not made by them, it's made by ZA/UM still
>>739359671Robert Kurvitz is the creator of Disco Elysium and founder of ZA/UM. Before Disco Elysium, he wrote a book called Sacred and Terrible Air, in the universe of which DE is set in. The book is set in DE's future, and the game alludes to some things that happen in it. In 2022, ZA/UM underwent a hostile takeover and Kurvitz left it.The creator of Disco Elysium is Robert Kurvitz, not ZA/UM.
>>739359671I hope this is bait and not an adult not being able to understand the difference between a company and the people actually working on something
>>739359924oh i just thought it said kurvitz isn't za/um anymore, didn't see ini don't see why that matters though, 1 guy didn't make the game, the entire studio did
>>739359961God, please be bait.
>>739359898
>>739359961No, but one guy wrote most of the game, and it's a writing driven game.
>>739360075You just wouldn't get it, chud.The game was folded by Roberto Kurvitzo's hands over 1000 times all alone, he made it all himself.The studio had nothing to do with the making of the game at all, in fact they were only holding him back.
I've heard the narrator is horrible. Can someone please provide for me a clip of said narrator?
>>739360075wasn't just one man, but ALL the important creators and thinking heads got firedonly ones left had nothing to do with the decision making that made the game so popular in the first place
>>739360190https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NToUPZjUiGk
>>739355776>Estonian investor so buttblasted he has to shill on 4chun (for free).LMAO. ZA/UM died in 2021.
>>739360075Among the people who left ZA/UM due to the takeover were Robert Kurvitz (creator, writer), Aleksander Rostov (artist), and Helen Hindpere (writer). What is left?
>>739360264artist left?but the art looks exactly the same
>>739360264The other writers and artists?
>>739360229Thank you kindly!And I see the point people are making. I like how her voice sounds, but not the way she speaks.>...into positionnn'nhuh!
>>739360075DE isn't exactly a feature heavy game bro it's literally a visual novelof course people would attribute its success to the art direction, writing, voice actingit has some of the best modern style writing of any game and this new one is obviously trying to ride its coattails after they publicly trashed the original creativesall in all dog shit situation and no one should buy this garbage
>>739360431I'll buy 5 copies, thanks.
>>739360470I'll pirate 10 copies no problem
>>739360308Disco Elysium was created by a little D&D group. That entire D&D group left. Everyone remaining at ZA/UM is an irrelevant code monkey or was only in charge of writing irrelevant shit.
>>739356649>the forced comparison with DEnigga shut the fuck up
>>739360642>Disco Elysium was created by a little D&D groupI thought it was created by Robert Kurvitz.
>>739360557nooooo you just losted the devs $600 you should have boughted noo
>>739361279now I'll pirate 5 more copies, deal with it
>>739355776>Esoteric Reddit>"I'll have uhh a champaigne socialist text game with whimsical dialogue and a lesbian hag protagonist suffering from anxiety">"A spy game? Lol no but it rips off the spy film aesthetics"
>>739359898This is the gayest and cringiest image I have ever seen.
>>739361180Damn it's almost as if you're speaking to multiple anonymous people with conflicting views and opinions, you sure got me
Does anybody know where this Jeet nigger went? I did not climb the tower for him. He was here yesterday. I'd rather it be a fucking bug than a revelation that there are "timed NPCs" in the game.
>>739355776Does it actually take place in the same setting as Disco Elysium?Also:>female protagonistGood job shooting yourselves in the foot out the gate.
>>7393598981. )The shambling corpse of ZA/UM is doing Zero Parades. Most (all?) of the staff with DE credits that are working on this are credited with working on the Final Cut, not the original release of Disco Elysium.2.) Longdue Games is making Hopetown. The studio is made up of of people from ZA/UM, Bungie, Rockstar, etc. They landed Lenval Brown to do voicework but most of the DE dev credits are things like "additional art on the Final Cut."3.) Summer Eternal is working on Project Red Rooster (actual game name not released yet, pay $80 to find out the actual title a year from now). This is headed by Argo Tuulik, who did actually work on the initial release of DE. They appear to be having consistent money problems.4.) Dark Math Games is making what they were calling XXX NIGHTSHIFT, but is now called Tangerine Antarctic. This was the game that has the long up-its-own-ass comic book screed that looked like it was drawn by the Sarah Zero guy, and it's being headed up by Kaur Kender, one of the corporate robber barons who funded Disco Elysium. Kender is also known for showing pictures of his ex-wife in meetings and demanding that characters look like her.5.) Red Info Ltd. is making an unannounced title. This is the studio that Kurvitz, Rostov, and Hindpere are behind. They were the key figures in the making of Disco Elysium.
>>739362935So, Red Info and maybe Summer Eternal are the only ones of those studios particularly worth looking out for?
>>739362935Awful lot of autism for games that will be just as dogshit as DE.
>>739363178It's simply cross-referencing DE credits and personnel of each studio.Is reading for 15 minutes too autistic for you?
>>739363749I did read it. I was referring to the 5 way schism that is going to amount to 5 bad games.
It's very good, actually. You wouldn't be able to tell it wasn't written by Kurvitz and Tuulik if you didn't know beforehand. I'm calling it now. ZP will end up being the best of the post-Disco games, and most of the non-ZA/UM projects will never be completed. Summer Eternal is the most dubious one of them all, with an actual commie creed and crowdfunding.
>>739356369It's mechanically different enough that it feels like a neat experimentation over just "we have DE at home". People are mad because you can keep criticizing the company but they've made an objectively good game.
>>739362935>Red Info Ltd. is making an unannounced title. This is the studio that Kurvitz, Rostov, and Hindpere are behind.For some reason i think they'll try to make something different rather than DE clone, because that's what everyone else doing
>>739337476
>>739355776Zero Parades is very good. It's not as good as Disco, but that's because Disco is an 11/10. This is closer to a 9/10, maybe an 8.5/10 if you ding it for easily patchable things like missing voice lines and bugs.
>it turns out communism loses in the endtale as old as time
>>739355776>hurr this non-game is better than other non-game durr
>>739365154Is it true that the game's title was originally ZERO PARADES: For Dead Communists?
>>739365161Do you also believe point and click adventure games to be non-games?
>>739360075You can see this situation like the one that went on when kojima got fired from Konami. Cultists worshipping a man like a God without paying attention that other Konami employees contributed to Metal Gear too. People who worked on Disco Elysium made Zero Parades, it's not right to spite on them because of few corpo heads being greedy If you guys were true socialists instead of larping, you would understand that
>>739355776Does it have the same quality writing? Is this very political as well? (Which I don't mind because it doesn't take itself too seriously). Same kind of humor? Hard to tell since the writers of the first game left, right?I mean, the aesthetic looks nice, but is it still very very text heavy like DE? Or is there more interactive gameplay now?
>>739365479>without paying attention that other Konami employees contributed to Metal Gear tooMGS4's biggest failing (its story and scenario) is popularly attributed to the fact that Kojima's editor left after MGS3. Based on other accounts from localizers who worked with him as well as comparisons between the work before and after, I'd say this is a fairly accurate assessment. While Kojima's at least 40% Metal Gear, people treat the remaining 60% like they're around to take orders and contribute nothing to the vision. There was a lot of the same dooming that went on when Pathologic 3 came out after IPL threw out its infamous lead writer. Then Pathologic 3 garnered incredible amounts of praise for being different yet competent.
>>739365479It will never not be funny how, had Metal Gear Survive released exactly as is 1:1 under Kojimbo's helm, people would've enjoyed it and rated it as a fine spin-off like Acid or whatever. That game's reception 100% had nothing to do with its actual quality and everything to do with people's retarded drama gossiping over La Creatividad leaving Konami.
>>739362819Yeah, I immediately lost interest when I saw it was a female MC. Who wants to play a spy/intrigue CRPG with a female MC? Very weird choice.
>>739363749I don't think he was taking a swing at you, I think it was about the very Communist way they all broke into tiny factions and began fighting as soon as the scent of money arrived.
>>739365884>Who wants to play a spy/intrigue CRPG with a female MC?I don't mind it.
kek
>>739365726Kojima is "at least" 60% of Metal Gear, with Shinkawa being probably another 30%. Apart from that, sure, there is some evidence to suggest that Fukushima was a better co-writer than Murata and him leaving is probably the reason the later Metal Gears and Death Standing quietly got rid of the Codec. Obviously Kojima didn't make the games all on his own, but come on. Auteurs are a thing. Which doesn't mean that the majority of the work done to bring something to life should be attributed to them, but the majority if its identity often can be.
>>739365931That's not really what happened, at least not entirely.ZA/UM, the publisher/development studio, is run by a standard capitalist businessman. He had no input on the story of Disco Elysium and just wanted to fund a game to make money. Then the game ended up being incredibly successful and he decided to screw over all the Communists that made it because getting 70% of the pie wasn't enough, as usual the Capitalist wanted the entire pie.Then all the Communists left the company. Most of them went to Red Info and some went to Summer Eternal. The rest of the studios are just people who worked on the game but had no connection to the writing. Many of them never even met the original team that made the game because they only worked on the Directors Cut which was ZA/UM's re-release to milk the game harder.So it's not exactly a "Communist schism" more like a bunch of workers got screwed by Shekelstein and decided to leave an evil company.
>>739369032Kojima didn't even know MGS5 had a weapon modification system until he played a demo of it. Stop being so far up his ass, and in your own as well.
>>739355776What's the story actually like? What are the themes it explores?
>>739355776Esoteric ebb was better game, but zero parades is good if not greatI even think it has better world than DE and EE
>>739370081Its a spy thriller about past mistakes, second chances and men meddling in forces beyond their understanding. Everyone has agenda and either you are playing them or are played by them.I was surprised but after story gets rolling its really good
>>739369867>they only worked on the Directors Cut which was ZA/UM's re-release to milk the game harderThe game having voice acting is more than half the reason it's as good as it is. People don't even remember the first couple years where DE was text only.
>>739365363What a low IQ thing to say. In an adventure game or a puzzle game like Obra Dinn which contain zero combat, you're not expected to make any complex inputs, but the interesting interaction is happening inside your head. You are observing, remembering, noticing patterns, inferring, connecting events...etc. In a non-game like Disco you're only there to passively consume.
>>739370596>you're not expected to make any complex inputs, but the interesting interaction is happening inside your head. You are observing, remembering, noticing patterns, inferring, connecting events...etcDamn, sounds just like Disco Elysium.
>>739370596So... you agree with him? lol
>>739365686Writing and humour are simmilar, but they are more separated .Its political in a same sense bleaker bond movie would be political, just for the opposite side. Its a cold war world, and commie spies are only good when you compare them with whatever fascists are doing. Your personal ideology doesnt really matter and its only tracked towards perks requirements>I mean, the aesthetic looks nice, but is it still very very text heavy like DE?Yes
>>739370738You don't do any of that so no. The game wont even allow you to solve the murder mystery on your own. You just go through the motions, you're not expected to think which is very unlike the Obra Dinn.>>739370882no lol
>>739360229I wouldn't hate it for one character but I couldn't listen to that the whole game. She should be reading announcements over a supermarket intercom, not narrating a story.
Im really struggling with the dialogue, the narrator voice being terrible does not help it but i just cant really immerse myself on the conversations or the world like in Disco. It feels too much like a novel, not neccesarily a bad thing just not as charming or fresh as Disco. it hits the right notes here and there though
>>739355776I like the art so I'll play this after they're done patching it. Meanwhile might as well playthrough DE again.
Giving measurehead VA to the loverboy drug dealer was good choice, i would never expect it to work.
>>739371494Disable it but leave the NPC voives, improves the game by tenfold
>>739371645As long as his voice acting doesn't bug out and he goes silent in the middle of the dialogue.
>>739365884It would been really good if she was a little bit more charismatic and a blank slate like Harry. without going into spoiler. Cascase has way too much baggage, its perfect if you are just gonna roleplay and be whimsical about it but if you are trying to have an immersive roleplaying experience you will have to deal that what moves the narrative is Cascase past. You'll either love it or dissasociate yourself from the main story.
>>739367626Dr.Gonza is my fucking hero, would assault a random dipshit teenager for him again any time.
>>739371645I didn't notice it was the same person, wtf
>>739371108>You don't do any of thatBut you very much do.
>>739371556I should've waited for a couple patches, it seems like it has a few very annoying bugs and issues right now. I don't think I'm going to be able to get the telephone line thingy anymore.
>>739371851yeeshh. i know right? awwkwarrddd.kill yourself
>>739371913I let him feel up Cascade's bullet wound instead.
>>739370969>Its a cold war world, and commie spies are only good when you compare them with whatever fascists are doing.Please tell me the game isn't just another antifa power fantasy under the blanket where you play a quirly communist spy fighting against an evil fascist conspiracy.
I don't really know much of the drama behind disco elysium other than "business guy fucks over creative guys, who leave the studio"
>>739355776Who is the Bagman?Why is he and his supporters the only ones that know how the reality really works?How did he know that the voices you hear are actualy Opera neurotransmitters?Why did he say that our confrontation already happened at the start of the combat, before i shot him in the head?
Pretty funny how everyone online into the ZA/UM drama is losing their minds because the game turns out to be genuinely good kek
>>739372349That's pretty much all you need to know about it.
>>739372240The fascist faction is chilling on the moon
>>739372015You don't have any arguments there, but I will effort post.When you're investigating a body in the Obra Dinn, you are the one making the observations. You have to notice the tattoo with your own eyes, recognize the accent with your own ears, and make the logical deduction yourself to solve the murder. Whereas in Disco Elysium, you don't really have any agency. All of these details are highlighted for you in pre-scripted, limited dialogue options that you'll end up exhausting anyway, or your chink partner just spells them out for you. Even then, you can't independently infer the solution and solve the murder yourself, you have to wait for the story to catch up and give you permission to solve it in a scripted event. Your shitty visual novel simply doesn't qualify as a video game.
Short of ethical considerations about ZA/UM and some bugs, there's nothing to critique about this game that you wouldn't critique DE for.
>>739372654Sounds like a point and click adventure game to me. Can I unveil the Templars five minutes into Broken Sword? Deal with LeChuck five minutes into Monkey Island? It's not DE's fault that you mistook a game about Harry's character for a game about investigating a murder.
>>739372240I don't see it that way because the fascism isn't really fascism, its just a buzzword. Fascists here are pretty much combination of USA and Germany with incredible pop-culture influence and goals of restoring their own empire. They just don't do it by force, instead using their incredible cultural reach to destroy other nationalities.Main villain is pretty much their version of Goebbels who is responsible for their current program of cultural conquest and made ultimate MK-ultra assassination weapon.He is also actually mental clone of their Hitler, just like rest of the fascist state elite.
>>739372845In the Obra Dinn you can solve every single murder the second you step on the ship. You're only being gated by information and not because the game arbitrarily says "Nope, not yet. This doesn't follow the script.">you mistook a game about Harry's character for a game about investigating a murder.That's an admission that Disco is only meant to be consumed passively. Yes, I agree it's a non-game visual novel.
>>739373198Notice how you keep bringing up nothing but Obra Dinn because you know your "argument" is BTFO if you use any other, actual, regular point and click adventure game which DE has the most similarity to? Dinn is a puzzle game more similar to something like Lorelei and the Laser Eyes. You played apples expecting oranges. No one to blame but (You)rself.>you mistook a game about Harry's character for a game about investigating a murder.>Yes, I agreeConcession accepted, then.
>>739355776>This entire thread>this entire drama behind za/umHeh, the left just can't stop eating their own...
>>739373349I bring up Obra Dinn because that's the game I'm familiar with. It's apples and oranges in the sense that Obra Dinn is a video game and Disco is not. If you think I conceded then you must also agree with the rest of the sentence that Disco is a non-game. I'm glad we came to an agreement.
>>739365861>That game's reception 100% had nothing to do with its actual quality and everything to do with people's retarded drama gossiping over La Creatividad leaving Konami.tbf Konami did pull some bs monetization schemes in it
>>739355776As far as "Disco-likes" go, of the ones I've played these are the official rankings:Esoteric Ebb > Disco Elysium > Zero Parades >>> Sovereign Syndicate >> shit > Gamedec
I heard there's not a lot of humor. A shame
HOW the FUCK do you cope/deal with permanent skill loss?
>>739375412there is more than enough exp to go around, i even triggered skill loss just so i could buy it back and reroll white checks
>start Esoteric Ebb>get curious about the dungeon below and explore>shit happens there and am now very fatigued>lose almost every checkupI think I'm gonna restart
>>739359898at least post the updated version. we know what three of those are.
>>739372486Because ZAUM drama has nothing to do with quality. It was about management backstabbing actual devs. It's not like whoever remained was incapable of releasing a solid game.
>>739358794>>739360679You Haven't PlayedItShut up, larpers
>>739375626Replacing original art with a consistent style with game covers of different styles is just tacky.
>>739355776It's dumb to compare them. Christoffer went way harder on satire and D&D commentary. Zaum went hard on imitating the bleak Disco style.But it is funny that a solo developer managed to make a game that is arguably better than the game made by a big studio.
Is it possible to NOT LOSE a kill point at the start of the game? This sux
>>739375291Put Rue Valley after Gamedec btw
>>739377427Haven't played it.
>>739376918>satire and D&D commentaryDude if i wanted to play that, i would give it a shot with a way better videogame
>>739377427>>739378172Is it really *that* bad?
>>739378232Doesn't even have anything to do with disco elysium, it's just a point and click game
>>739378232nta, played it a bit but it didnt seem *that* badthe worst is just how little your choices seem to actually affect
Could Disco Elysium's original artist do THIS?! Thought so.
>>739373627I sympathize because every fucking list of detective and investigation games keep lumping DE with Obra Dinn, while DE fans themselves agree that the game has nothing to do with investigating or being a detective.
>Reddit ParadesYikes...
>>739369867That's an extremely editorial summary. You're leaving out the Communists doing zero work (as is their wont), and the Capitalist having to practically drag everything up from scraps to get it out the door. Suddenly, when it was successful, the Communists were all over it, like flies on shit. Ready to take all the credit and ready to argue their contracts to get even more money for the game they hadn't made.
>>739355776test
>>739375291>Esoteric Reddit>Reddit Elysium>Reddit SyndicateJeez...
>>739371108>reducing DE to le murder mysteryYou probably think Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is mainly about the desert race too
>>739378194>Reddit Gate 3Lmao
>>739369867>the Directors Cut which was ZA/UM's re-release to milk the game harderseems to me like it was more of a move to (falsely) legitimize the game as theirs
>EMTERR is one of the superpowers in the game>both NPCs drunken negotiator and phone sex addict representing them you meet early in to the game are entertaining fuck ups wearing formal yet messy suitsI love these guys, as well as the hot interrogator
>>739378232Begins strong but it loses steam fast, ends in a wet fart pretty much
>>739379719It’s an example, stupid. You are not given the same degree of freedom or agency in any part of Disco as Obra Dinn gives in embodying a murder investigator.
>>739355776Narrator makes me want to kill myself with her uptoned intonation on everything. exactly copied the inside out thing going on with harry in disco. exactly copied the worldbuilding presentation. You would think the devs would want to get away from the disco comparisons but it’s the game entire core. Uninspired and lazy.
>>739370969Can you play as a fascist?
Esoteric Ebb surprised me with how well it handled a fascist/authoritarian playthrough. I mean shit, it let me plant the seeds for the creation of the Nazi party. How does this handle such a playthrough.
>>739381409by fascist do you mean STR or INT playthrough?
So people are shilling this shit to spite the original? Thats the level of contrarian we are at?
So Superbloc aka commies are the losers of the setting, with EMTERR and La Luz being the real deals?
>>739381638Are you genuinely retarded or merely pretending?
>>739381638How is discussion shilling?
>>739381515I pumped both STR and INT. STR is probably still satisfying on its own if you want to go full grug, but then you miss out on on some of less theocratic but still authoritarian options from INT.
>>739381638Wouldn't it make sense that the people playing this game day one are precisely the ones that enjoyed DE and thus care about a game like it?
>>739382163STR+INT is the best playthrough frankly
>>739372623It's Wolfenstein New Order all over again!
>Kick all the original devs of the good game they made>Dev studio is similar by namesake only>The studio then releases another game>Its almost just as good???
>>739382194That doesn't surprise me. I expected the game to shame me for playing that way, but if anything, I felt it did the opposite. The final confrontations in particular feel tailor-made for a authoritarian character. I can't imagine them playing out better if I was a commie or libertarian. Plus STR just has so many cool and funny checks throughout the game.
>>739381638real devs praising communism and thanking karl marx hurt a lot of fragile people, so they side with zaum no matter what
>>739380369so far all the characters have been really engaging to talk to, even the bonding with the kids about shonenslop and the story with the clothes lady was so genuinely heartwarming>as well as the hot interrogatorGod, that scene had me diamonds
>>739382449https://youtu.be/yWJ3WBPFHPQ?t=682
>>739380784Maybe because the games are different genres. Did you know you're not given the same freedom in Silent Hill 2 and Red Dead Redemption 2? Kinda wild when you think about it.
>>739382509Its about hiring poor eastern and central europeans
>>739355776>have to play as a womanHard pass, disco elysium is better because of this aspect alone.
>>739381330you can be fascist, but you are still primarly a spy, so i don't think you can change your mission. Maybe you can defect, but i doubt it
The game came out yesterday, how the fuck have some of you already finished it. Rushed it or played non-stop for 36 hours?
>make commie game>Immediately get fractured into factions right afterIt's like poetry
>>739383023Im close to finish line and i think at normal pace it could take 20-25 hours to beat it
>>739382886It doesn't matter the genre. All games should strive to be games by offering you freedom and encouraging you to make interesting decisions. RDR2 is a piece of shit movie game, precisely because its sorry excuse for gameplay is extremely restrictive despite nominally belonging to the open world genre.
>>739383390Get of your high horse, that's just your highly individualistic opinion.
>>739383390>It doesn't matter the genre. All games should strive to offer freedomI'd rather games some genres to *not* turn into Ubisoft open world collectathons, thank you very much.>and encourage you to make interesting decisionsSounds like Disco Elysium to me.
>>739383526No, I will utter the seemingly controversial statement of fact that games ought to offer meaningful interaction.
>>739382663It does help that the you talk to the god you worship if you're a STR chad and he's just a good loving dude
>>739383826Sounds nothing like Disco Elysium, which is a non-game, as we have previously established. That's a false dichotomy btw. We have plenty of great games that actually like being games, such as the Obra Dinn, as mentioned, but also Demon's Souls.
>>739356649>forced comparisonKill yourself you colossal faggot
>>739384103>Sounds nothing like Disco ElysiumYeah... nah, it very much does>as we have previously establishedWho's that "we", anone? All I see is you, standing alone in the thread.>such as the Obra DinnYeah yeah, you suck Dinn's cock, you established that hours ago with the other anon; still a different game in a different genre you're obsessed with comparying with Elysium because... I don't know, your highschool bully liked the game 7 years ago and you have something against it?
>>739384103>Sounds nothing like Disco ElysiumThe fuck, the game's chockfull of interesting, cool, funny choices in how you rebuild Harry from ego death, how that affects the people and world around him (including Shivers/Revachol outright spoiling the city's eventual destruction, or him discovering the cryptid nobody belived in) and whether you make him wallow in his past miseries and die a drunk hobo in a corner somewhere, or start anew. It's a game about a fucked up district with fucked up people in it and they both, alongside its very special MC, can be greatly influenced by the player and the RPG choices you're given.
>socks... extremely softcoreWas he?
>>739384641Not a lead material for sure
>>739384336No, it very much doesn't. I'm not the one who initially described Disco Elysium as a non game, btw. It was another high IQ anon like me, but even then, truth isn't determined by consensus. In fact, truth is more likely to be possessed by the cognitive aristocracy, like me, and not the lowbrow masses, like you. Reiterating how it belongs to a different genre is a cop-out because you know you can't defend it. Disco Elysium is an utter failure as a video game. It fails to take advantage of the strengths of its medium, thus it's a non game.
>>739355776This game is at its best during all the spy shitDouble crossings, torture, confrontations and international plots
>>739384259stay angry commie
I was told the devs were fucked over, and I'm supposed to pirate this game rather than pay for it. That true?
>>739380784Obra Dinn is a puzzle game at heart, DE is not, it's le quirky and subversive adventure game-CRPG with le heckin (ironic) leftism. It's more apt to compare DE to Planescape Torment than Obra Dinn. DE is about the journey, not the destination, but there are still very many different outcomes depending on your stats, rolls, dialogue choices etc., so calling it a visual novel is doubly retarded.
>>739384913>No, it very much doesn'tYeah... nah, it very much does>I'm not the one who initially described Disco Elysium as a non gameWell, you two share IQ then>truth is more likely to be possessed by the cognitive aristocracy, like meAh I get it now, you're LARPing as a Disco Elysium NPC, retarded thoughts and all. Good going, anon!>Reiterating how it belongs to a different genre is a cop-out because you know you can't defend it"wtf why doesn't Burnout 2 have skill trees and realistic weapon reload animations, shit game. What, it's a racing game? Sounds like a copout".
>>739385028You're supposed to do whatever you want because you are (supposedly) an adult.
How do i get the teeth for the dr i rolled as a hysterical bitch since i need to play a women and have no physical.
let me guess the plot is stopping a nuke
>>739384623Notice how you're just essentially describing the story and not the game because the interactive part is pure smokes and mirrors.Nothing is actually being tested when you click on a dialogue options. Not your reaction time, not your inference skills, not your long term planning, nothing. The dialogue options are just a reading interface.
>>739355776>has some identity on it's own>on it's own>on it is owndon't talk to me about story games
>>739385089He died turning on the light switch, ragequit and has been mad at DE ever since.
>>739385287No, try again
Might torrent it. Is it on the same level of DE?
>>739385521kek
>>739385089In Burnout 2 you have total and complete control over what the game revolves around which is the movement of your car, and the game tests your reflexes, precision driving, risk management...etc. As such it has more in common with the Obra Dinn in that they both offer a great degree of player agency.You are so bad at this. Just because two games belong in a different genre, it doesn't mean they can't be compared in how well they justify themselves as games.
>>739385651Let's put it this way: if people didn't know about the studio drama, the majority of players wouldn't be able to tell there's a difference in developers. With that said, the game has some quirks that will likely be fixed in patches like missing voicelines or the voices not matching the text on screen; if you're not desperate to play it ASAP or worried about /v/ spoiling you, might I recommend waiting a month or thereabouts.
>>739385927>In Burnout 2 you have control over what the game revolves around which is the movement of your carAnd in Disco Elysium you have control over what the game revolves around which is Harry's inner character and how he deals with his past, present and future.>You are so bad at thisAnon, the computer screen is not meant to be used as a mirror...
>>739386104You have zero control. You consume passively and no skill is tested.>Anon, the computer screen is not meant to be used as a mirror...Talking about yourself
>>739384825He was method spying super heavy, that's definitely lead material
>>739386336>You have zero controlBut that's wrong. Your Harry and my Raphaël Ambrosius Costeau are not the same character, with the same lived and learned experiences and thoughts towards the future build over the course of roughly the week you spend in Martinaise with Kim. Nevermind the plethora of other choices like getting everyone killed during the Tribunal; Disco Elysium is a game about a detective, and that detective's ultimate fate is wholly shaped by player input.>You consume passivelyAnon... did you watch a YouTube playthrough? You realize regular people... play videogames?
>>739386549All pre-scripted, and even then your options are limited, as I said earlier. You can't ask whatever you're curious about, and you can't provide whatever answers you want to any given question. You don't actually embody Harry. Whereas in the Obra Dinn, I can investigate a body however I see fit, given the established controls. I can look at any body part I want. I decide what details to focus on, what clues matter, and how to connect the information before arriving at a conclusion.
>>739387295>>739381739
>>739387295>All pre-scriptedAll videogames are "pre-scripted" you unfathomable autist. Every choice you can make during an MMO's raid? Pre-scripted. All the possible RNG combinations in puzzle solutions in games like, I dunno, Obra Dinn? Pre-scripted. Every dialogue choice in every RPG ever made? Pre-scripted. The ability for a player to win a race in a racing game? Pre-scripted. Your dad cumming inside your mom? Not pre-scripted, yet the doofus did it anyway and here we are now.>I can investigate a bodyPre-scripted.>however I see fitIn however pre-scripted ways the developers gave the player.>given the established controlsGiven the pre-scripted controls, yes.>I can look at any body part I wantYou can look at the body parts they pre-scripted you to look at.>I decide what details to focus onYou decide which of the pre-scripted details built in by the devs to focus on.>what clues matterPre-scripted clues?
>>739355776>female protagonistSkiiiiiiip
bravo zaum...
>>739387860*inhale* KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>739385651No not at all. You play as a lesbian girl boss, it feels like the entire game has no point at all. Disco feel like it had so much to say, this one feels like all it has to say is "we want the disco elysium audience"
>>739365142Well fuck, DE is a 4/10 so this shit must be unplayable
>>739384990stay wrong, dumb cunt
>Not even 15 minutes into the game>Anxiety gets maxed out>Have to lower a skillWhat is this retarded mechanic?
>>739390428Drink some Al Gul, nigga.
>>739390428It's literally a diegetic tutorial. You can min-max to avoid it by interacting with the least amount of checks in the room, but not on your first playthrough. I think it's kind of neat. Consider this dying to a light bulb in DE.
>>739387770>le all games are scripted>there are no degrees to thingsThis is your contribution to the conversation. Sad.
Wow, it's actually even worse than DE with this kind of shit
>>739385086Genres conventions are not an escape hatch. You can't just dismiss criticism by appealing to genre conventions. Maybe the entire genre is garbage every thought of that? I took a steaming pile of shit on your dinner plate, you have to eat because it just belongs in its own genre of food.
Only got passed the locked door tutorial area but I can already tell it's going to be the best of the disco spawns and that's going to make commies mad. Hopetown's or whatever its called already looks like shit.
>>739392273>No option to agree.Automatically worse than DE and EE.
>>739392589Cascade already has a personality and beliefs.
Does the game have anti-corpo or pro-worker messaging? That'd be funny considering.
>>739392713Which would suspiciously line up with the beliefs of the developers, apparently. Bravo, why give the player any autonomy in playing the character how you want.
>>739392273>>739392713I like how Ragn was much more of a written character and you still could shape him as you want
>>739392414>just when you thought 75 IQ miggers had reached peak retardation of shitty food analogies, Harry Dresden™ stepped up to the challenge
Idk I might just play Esoteric Ebb. ZP feels like a very clever imitation of DE, and it's putting me off.
>>739392184>no argument I'm sorry you were thoroughly BTFO, anon. That's fine though, I'll simply accept the concession and you can move on.
>>739355776her fuckin voice.... her voice is a nightmare. Both games are good stop being fuckin weirdos. The artstyle is top notch.
>>739355776>identity on it's own>Literal copy pasted everything
WHERE IS THE FUCKING GOG-GAMES UPLOAD
>>739393553You are already trying to run away? It was inevitable, I suppose. Too smart for you.
>>739356649Yeah and people with eyes, fag
>>739355776It has no identity, it's a literal Disco Elysium clone that it's even more up its own ass with the writing. The way NPCs talk in this is strange as fuck that it becomes a parody of what "cool dialogue" is supposed to be.
>>739355776Hey man, I like esoteric ebb. You don't gotta shit on it just to shill this game. Cheap behavior, you're better than that.
>>739392589???>first option calls the foreign society dirty capitalists >second option calls the foreign society more advanced and the kid complaining, a primitive
>>739394076All three options are literally deflecting away from agreeing with the point. How is your reading literacy this bad?
>>739393850Who's running away? You're the one that was left with no argument to the point you replied to a 900~ character post with a dismissive 100 one with zero rebuttals or rationale whatsoever. I'm just saying I accepted your concession, so there's no need for you to embarrass yourself any further. Or perhaps you want to try again on how point and click adventure games are magically less pre-scripted than Disco Elysium or bring up an irrelevant puzzle game for the nth time so even more anons can call you out on your bizarre obsession over it?
>>739394354Yeah, because your reply was so vacuous that it could be obliterated with a couple of lines of greentext. It’s okay, you can run. You’ve already made a fool of yourself.
>>739394354>You're the one that was left with no argument>YeahSee, you keep doing it. You keep eating shit then going "heh, suckers, I win..." when people tell you you're eating shit while trying to 1:1 mirror their exact BTFO arguments used against you, against them. You have some fucked up fetishes anon, I have to say.
>>739394802Obviously, meant for >>739394636
>>739394802Nigger he's just baiting for more (You)s
>>739394802You just described your own behavior. I guess it takes one to know one.
>>739355776>female protagonistLet me guess, she's a lesbian
>>739394868Yeah, well, it was kinda funny seeing how much more retarded his posts would get little by little.
>>739394989You can confirm or deny homosexual tendencies.
>>739394989That thing is female?!
>>739395143
>>739362935Only Kurvitz and Rostov are confirmed to be at Red Info. I can't find any public information on where Helen Hindpere wound up, as nothing has been announced on the subject and she hasn't been active on social media.
>>739395551Hindpere is Kurvitz's long-term girlfriend, she's going to go wherever he goes.
>>739395116Deny? More like fight off. She is so aggressively a latent dyke that all that trying internally to deny it becomes a running gag in itself because of how much it happens.
Girl on girl is hot, goy. Trannies and fags? Disgusting.
>>739355776>200 posts+ for baitlol 4chan is a great example of how people wil lwaste their money to own da left
>>739395870uhhhhh what the FUCK did the Estonians mean by this?
>>739395870
>>739395934>money to own da leftThe game is pretty much champagne socialism as DE
>>739355776Whats up with those fucking games and cliffhangers?Disco Elysium - You are recruited for revolution that will never comeEsoteric Ebb - Election day and possibly THE CLERIC entering the path towards godhood, and GM saying that he already plans for another campaignThis - signal with your home base gets interrupted by litteral moon fascists
>estonian commie together with a russian create one of the most acclaimed games of all time and certainly the only notable cultural achievement of all of baltics>butthurt estonians take over his company>now aimlessly copy his work in hopes of leeching of the success of depoetry
>>739396674who's russian?
For anyone actually interested in playing I will say one thing. Shadowplay is must skill even if you don't prioritize the body stat. Unsurprisingly, almost every main story beat is affected by the designated "spy" stat.
>>739397494Statecraft also comes up a lot
>>739396674>his worklmao
im trying to give it a fair shot, im like 30 minutes in, and i'm just bored to tears, nothign they've done so far has made me interested in the world or any of the characters
The task art is great. Also changes when you finish one, it seems.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2026-05-22/-disco-elysium-maker-releases-new-game-under-a-shadow-of-controversy>ZA/UM has around 80 employees and is funded entirely through profits from Disco Elysium, so it’s pivotal that their next game be a success. And, despite the high-profile blowup, Tomaszewski says that 29 of the developers who worked on Zero Parades also worked on Disco Elysium (as well as 12 voice actors).Uh, Kurvitzbros? Didn't he solo dev the whole thing?
>>739401625>12 voice actorsI noticed kim and measurehead, who else?
>>739401710The narrator plays one of the three pilots.
I never played Esoteric Ebb so people here who did may have something to say but: What's the point of politics if there's magic? Even for the politician is only a facade to windowsdress the structure because the true power struggle is an spiritual one, not ideological. How does the settimg handle this? Is the commoner not aware of magic, or they are but the knowledge to partake on it is gatekeep? Or there are laws that regulate it? How does this work?
>>739401625The game is nothing without its writing and all those people were fired. What does it matter to keep some of the artists and programmers?
>>739402235Esoteric ebb takes place in a world that is losing its magic, and in dnd terms highest level spells you can reliably cast are level four, so everything more powerfull than fireball is almost off the table.Also in this world revolutions took down old order lead by tyrant sorcerer kings, and even more recently last god left this world
>>739373349>Concession accepted, then.NTA, and I agree with you, but I wanted to take this opportunity to ask why the fuck you say that? I'm noticing a massive uptick of people ending their posts with "I accept your concession," and I'm wondering if you're just one terminally online poster, if it's just general autist vernacular, or if it's a TikTok thing with zoomers, some kind of leftist dogwhistle, or what.
>>739402538You wouldn't be able to tell if you first found out after finishing the game. Bizarre post.
>>739403635Wrong. I could immediately tell the difference in the writing. It's more pseudo intellectual than DE. Trying to push the idea that "It's exactly like DE" is a borderline shill argument.
>>739403998No. You think you can, because you already know. If I asked you to point out individual writers and their specific text from DE, you wouldn't be able to without consulting Argo Tuulik's various interviews where he explicitly states who wrote what. There's also editing done by different people. You've already convinced yourself. Move on.
>>739403635You're not very discerning if you can't tell the difference in writing quality and tone.
>>739402235>true power struggle is an spiritual one, not ideologicalWhy would it be? Every relevant ideology could be interpreted by lens of magic elite. Magic users could be unreachable aristocrats that protect its traditions, benevolent masters that sheperd the lower classes towards prosperity, and cut-throat pragmatists that exploit people lower than them. Or opposite of those things, or a mix. Idea that magic users wouldnt have political beliefs is silly
>>739404132All you need is base literacy comprehension to tell the difference between DE and this game. You're trying to revise the narrative that Disco Elysium always had characters try to speak in a way that was "cooly unique" like in this game, when it wasn't the case. The dialogue was more grounded and not trying to be esoteric every second line spoken.
>>739404361>>739404298Authors are capable of vastly different writing styles and tones between different projects. You can't differentiate the actual DE writers from each other, let alone from others.Your stance isn't "the writing is worse in this game." It's "this game wasn't written by the people I can't tell apart without explicit guidance, therefore bad." Your mind's already made up, and it's fucking grim for someone who's supposedly able to enjoy a game like DE.
>>739404298>and toneHave you actually played it? The majority of Cascade's observations can be copy and pasted into DE and it wouldn't even raise a single eyebrow. People seem to pretend that the entirety of DE was some kind of manifesto. When in actuality most of is just engrossing sardonicism.
>>739404132NTA, and i actually really liked the game, but you argue by using hypotheticals and things that wont ever happen.>Move on.Why should he move on? He takes his stance seriously thats why he is discusses it. Why shouldnt YOU move on? His lived experience is not any less valid than yours
>>739404578His "lived experience" is fully hypothetical. Completion achievements are sub-2%.
but is it a good game?
>>739404757It's not even a game. Nor is DE. Where's the gameplay?
>>739404551>We can chalk up the change in the core team as "neglible", because my headcanon has it as "a deliberate artistic choice" for why the writing is more up its ass than DE Weak argument and you're already trying to backpeddle out of your original "There's literally no change between games" argument. Game is a slimy clone trying to disguise the fact it's a slimy clone. (You)? Small time.
it's literally a DE copy tho, way less impressive to copy a cult classic than actually create one
>>739404551>>739404567The original ZA/UM collective were genuine europoors. The working class characters in Disco Elysium feel authentic because the writers truly lived around and interacted with these people. This is not the case for Zero Parades. The two main writers are an Estonian nepobaby and some British bint who attended private schools as a girl. They're champagne socialists slumming it, writing their not-quite-accurate idea of what these people are like.
>>739404842No. I said you wouldn't be able to tell it was written by someone else if you didn't already know going in. And you wouldn't. You can't even tell the actual DE writers apart. You made up your mind a long time ago based solely on this foreknowledge. Drone-like mentality, which again is very funny.
>>739371882>Harry>blank slate without "too much" baggageBro? Did we play the same DE?
>>739405078>No. I said you wouldn't be able to tell it was written by someone else if you didn't already know going in.And I'm saying you're just flat out wrong, retard. Anybody reading this who played Disco Elysium should torrent the game right now and see how different the NPC dialogue is. Don't even take my word for it, go and see how they took the grounded alt-Euro writing of DE and twisted it into a facile copy that misunderstands what the DE aesthetic actually was.
>>739404871>because the writers truly lived around and interacted with these peopleImagine actually fucking believing this? You think Hardie boys was written in the way that he did due to Kurvitz "interviewing" dock workers despite the characters being simply emblematic of the archetype literally any ivory tower faggot novelist can imagine without even a need of growing up in the dissolving USSR? Not to mention, the Hardie boys being interesting characters had nothing to do with them being proletariat but the tug-of-war of truth obfuscation that has nothing to do with "lived experience." Get the fuck out of here with this pseud shit, god damn. This isn't Maxim Gorky.
>>739404643Ok then, how about we take hypothetical out of this conversation. I beat the game, here is endgame build with last item you can find in the game. Thats enough of a proof for me. Curious if you beat it anon and actually are discussing it in good faith.Here is what can be empirically proven by playing both games: Disco Elysium is both more cynical about human nature and its more mean spirited, you can tell it when you play it. But the pain characters feel is written to feel real.I lived in places like Revanchol all my life and met characters like this. Its reliable and even though it gets high concept at times its stiill more down to earth over all. You don't resolve all the problems that harry faces.Zero Parades is not written to be reliable its written to be cool. You do cool mental powers, you fight cool villains and go through checklists of cool spy movie shit. Its a good game, but if you actually look into it you realize its no Disco Elysium. Is it intentionally written to capture the style? Maybe, maybe not. But as a whole you just can tell its entirely different beast than Disco Elysium.
>>739405270Yes. Harry is a total blank slate with 0 baggage of his affecting the plot. Completely the opposite to Cascade where the main plot is related to who she is. It may sound dumb but because of the state he is, his backstory gets to be yours to define. Is why he can choose to be a superstar detective or a communist revolutionary figure and he will still be Harry.
>>739405610>Zero Parades is not written to be reliable its written to be cool.Except it's not cool. It's a pseud's idea of what cool is.
>>739404757Ye its good
>>739405671>It may sound dumb but because of the state he is, his backstory gets to be yours to defineNTA but no. You can reject the backstory and larp as a different flavor of a retard, but Harry will always be a PE teacher turned cop who can't get over his one-tits dumping, resulting in him crawling into the bottle and a cocaine line. The larp that you chose is simply one of his copes to not think about the abovementioned factuality and resulting brewing suicidal thoughts.
>>739405671Did you even fucking play the game? Harry's backstory is probably more important than the murder investigation.
>>739405928Again you are just too illiterate to understand, The plot does not revolve about him. Revanchol is still Revanchol and the things that happen would still happen. Regardless of how you choose Harry to be he does not move the plot forward as much as you think he does, thats what allows you be completely free to paint him as a blank slate in any situation. It's a roleplaying game not a story driven one.
>>739405610This game seems to be more like Alpha Protocol than Disco Elysium.
>>739406068>The plot does not revolve about him. It absolutely does. What the fuck are you even on about?
>>739406187Anon, the plot does not revole about Harry (who he was) but Harry (who you think he is) thats what makes Disco a true roleplaying game unlike for example this one in which Cascase will always be Cascade. You are simple way too illiterate to even understand this
>>739403094How much of a newfag are you"? Smug shit like "concession accepted" has been said for years, fren.
What do, /v/?
>>739405567He didn't interview anyone. He lived around them.Look at the how-well Zero Parades has been received so far. Loads of good reviews from journalists, who are from the same downwardly-mobile social class as the writers. They don't notice. But normal people do, and that's why the response is largely apathy. They may not be able to articulate it, but they can feel the lack of authenticity, hence why fewer people are buying it. Hardcore fans care about the names involved, but casual fans don't, and the casual fans aren't showing up.
>>739406279Do you trust your government?
Disco Elysium troons on suicide watchwe have DE at home
>>739375626dungeons and dragons enb or whatever was which group?it sucked, couldn't make it past the store
>>739406373Thing is: she's lied to you about who she was. She's lied to you about her name. She's lied to you about the Hardie boys. She's lied to you about Ruby being the evil mastermind that killed the hanged man and even sends you after her. How can you know she's not lying about being killed in prison? She doesn't exactly make it easy to trust her words in any way, shape or form.
>>739406257Anon, your point is that the character from this game already "has a past" but so does Harry, and their stories are about that, that's the point. I don't see where does that literate bullshit came from.
>>739355776art looks kino>>739395483wait that's a woman?still kino I guess but it looked cooler when I thought it was a man
>>739406496There is a scene at the end of game in which she is killed if you arrest her>>739406279Arrest the bitch, she is responsible for this entire thing
>>739406273>It's autist vernacularI understand.Just so you're aware, saying that is a verbal tick that instantly marks you as a dweeby, reddit asshole. The only reason I asked YOU what it meant was because your post was the first one I've seen in months where the opinion wasn't so faggy and retarded I could stomach talking to you like a human being.
>>739406496She did die in prison, and you come to understand by yourself that the moralintern is a shady organization. I guess the choice depends on if your integrity lies with being humanistic or upholding your authority.
>>739406524Anon, blank slate protagonist aren't neccesarily about not having backstory but putting them in a state in which they hold not particularly inclination toward any system, belief or personality. In each and every dialogue that is written in this game Cascade is a consistent character and her background and baggage weights both the narrative and her internal monologues. Harry is the opposite. He is in a state in which the player gets to project his own take on Harry regardlesss of his backstory and the game supports it as there is nothing about his past moving the plot forward, thats entierly up to your projection of Harry. I have tried many different way to make you see this, and at this is better to move on.
>>739406779You're hallucinating a complete different game, so yeah, it's better to move on, for your sake.
>>739406862Im not, you are just defensive because you cant see how the writting is different because i touched a nerve when i called you out on not reading enough books to not even discern when a character has an internal voice projected into it choices. Harry its the opposite his internal voice is a mess which is why you get to be able to roleplay him into anything you want
>>739405610is it better than esoteric reddit?
>>739406646>The only reason I asked YOU what it meant was because your postI didn't post that, I'm just telling you "concession accepted" isn't "autist vernacular, or a TikTok thing with zoomers, or some kind of leftist dogwhistle".
Most of the game is just people about how slav culture is being lost because people are watching anime and listening to k-pop or whatever.
>>739359898>underwent a hostile takeoverwhy does this keep happening with communist groups
looks good
>>739361279If buying isn't owning then pirating isn't stealing.
>>739406489Esoteric Ebb was entirely unrelated to ZAUM. As is Rue Valley, for example.
>>739355776>into RPGs>somehow completely avoid the Disco Elysium crazeI guess I have to check it out before any of the derivatives.
Does the game ever feel more like a spy-game? I played 3 hours yesterday and it just felt like DE but if it was even MORE meandering and dull
>>739413334Intro's long as fuck. You'll know when it's over when you get a gorillon quests.
>>739413475nta, does the game follow the same time windowed "the game is over in this many days" structure or is it more free in letting you see everything?
>>739413475Oh ok interesting, I'm close to the end of Day 1 so I'm guessing the "real" game maybe starts at the beginning of day 2 or breaking into Tempo's office or something.
so is the protag a Mary Sue, or is she a flawed person who has to possibly make uncomfortable decisions to accomplish her spy goals.
>Zero Parades drew its inspiration from a variety of places — Ursula K. Le Guin and Thomas Pynchon, to name a few — but its most central influence is John le Carré. The spy novelist has a more cerebral approach to espionage compared to the power fantasy of James Bond, and that was a fit for the story ZA/UM wanted to tell. It’s a game about an ordinary person doing “sneaky, horrible things,” Watson said.
>>739413504I don't think there's a time limit and the point of no return points are really obvious. Not sure about missables. Some of my quests ended with a cross so maybe they were supposed to go longer. >>739413561More like halfway through day 3. It's ridiculously long.
>>739362935helpful post>>739382978you're a closet bi in DE though
>>739413865If that's the case then I hope it shows. I don't know how fantastic the setting can be in a Carré inspired work can be though. A big part of his big popular stories is how mundane a lot of the work is, punctuated with horrible things.
why does it cost moneys? i thought communism means free stuff libtards.
>>739414523I thought the commies got ousted by the suits in charge of the company.
do you have to go to sleep at all or is it just a way to lower stats?
>>739379558>and the Capitalist having to practically drag everything up from scrapsyou do realize these "capitalists" had a history of fraud right? not some commie definition of fraud, but genuine unironic fraud that they were successfully sued over>>739370557I bet you still genuinely use the term "chapter book"
