Every console/gaming gen is mostly filler slop with a few decade defining masterpieces in between.Yes, even (or should I say especially) your beloved retro childhood console
>>739371089>Absolute bottom of the barrel observation that a slug could have made>TRUTHNUKE
>>739371426It's like those indians who use pic related.
>>739371426Then stop acting like your retroon console is superior, because it's not.
There are a lot of fun video games with flaws. A 7/10 is still a decent to good game.However, /v/ will usually call a game crap if it isn't a 11/10 perfect game in their eyes (and even then you'll get angry posts about it) or if the game has any sort of social media controversy around it.
>>739371426op literally raped to death over the internet
Your favorite franchise didn't get shitty because you "didn't gatekeep". You can't gatekeep a game's community. A game can only gatekeep itself with it's difficulty of access.No, your franchise went to shit because you and/or people like you stopped paying for their games and they had to change things up in a desperate bid to attract new consumers. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That's the way these things go.
>>739371089Here’s one: The decade defining masterpieces of my youth are just better than the ones today.
>>739372157The decade defining games of my youth are better than the decade defining games of your youth.
>>739371089>le everything is always the same midwit copehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_in_video_gamesThe Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of TimeTekken 3Half-LifeMetal Gear SolidGrim FandangoResident Evil 2Street Fighter Alpha 3StarCraftPanzer Dragoon SagaBanjo-KazooieThief: The Dark ProjectBaldur's GateThe Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DXInternational Superstar Soccer 98Crash Bandicoot: WarpedXenogearsOddworld: Abe's ExoddusNFL Blitz1080° SnowboardingBattlezoneRailroad Tycoon IITurok 2: Seeds of EvilFIFA 99Caesar IIIUnrealNBA Live 99R4: Ridge Racer Type 4NHL 99Wario Land IIMyth II: SoulblighterNeed for Speed III: Hot PursuitStarsiege: TribesShogo: Mobile Armor DivisionFIFA 99F-Zero XMadden NFL 99
>>739372037Yes yes. See it's the gamers fault. The Blackrocks and the HR Karen feminists who took over the industry dindu nuffin! Male gamers just stopped buying video games because uh.... just because! And it happened before the industry pivoted towards targeting the "modern audience." Trust me bro. Please don't notice as shitty Asian gachas now get tens of millions of players and are making billions of dollars just by targeting heterosexual men.
Consoles beeing underpowered compared to PCs were blessing in disguise, gatekeeping shitty devs who don't know how to code, and keeping dev teams in reasonable sizes allowing for more sustainable gamedev cycles and profit expectations
>>739373591Counterpoint: 2010.
>Shit opinions thread for redditors and other bottomfeeders
>>739371089False.Gaming was once a secluded media that only kids and antisocial nerds engaged in, where fun was the primary focus, and the games were fun because it was just a handful of nerds having fun making themNow it's a multi gorillian $ industry, pumping out realistic slop open world wandering movie games for normies and streamers to serve to poor normies, or heckin arena/ hero/ battle royale shooters to maybe make it into heckin esportsGaming meant something until gen 7That's when games became more about plot than gameplay, more about realistic visuals than interesting art design that made the most of hardware limitations and real artistic vision came through Not every retro console was peak, but they meant something back then. Now gaming is a status symbol like a fucking car or something.Fuck you OP, faggot
>>739371089This can easily be proven false by looking at how many heavy hitters the PS1 and PS2 had over the PS5.
>>739373849Super Mario Galaxy 2Mass Effect 2Red Dead RedemptionStarCraft II: Wings of LibertyRock Band 3Pac-Man Championship Edition DXGod of War IIIXenoblade ChroniclesSuper Street Fighter IVHalo: ReachWorld of Warcraft: CataclysmMLB 10: The ShowLimboAssassin's Creed: BrotherhoodSuper Meat BoyCave StoryCivilization VWoah! It's kinda shit.
RPGs with guns do not work, zero exceptions. What do your bullets get stronger? As you advance and enemies become bullet sponges you just feel weaker over time, not stronger. With swords you can at least believe that it’s your character getting stronger over time.>B-b-but New Vegas, Cyberpunk, Deus ExAll shit.
>>739371089STOP THROWING BRICKS ASSHOLE
>>739373613>using gachas as his gotchaGacha aren't video games and the playerbase for gacha isn't gamers. It's porn addicts, gambling addicts and the chinese. And no shit they're playing gacha on their phones, it's not like they're going outside getting pussy or playing any of the government approved games they've been graced with.>b-but muh blackrock boogeymanDid Blackrock force the devs to take their money? Is every game now under Blackrock's thumb? No? Oh that's because devs choose whether to cuck out or not. Sorry this is your way of finding out your favorite devs just want money and could care less about le brand integrity
>>739374115Hey disingenuous retard, you forgot Fallout New Vegas, Metro 2033, MGS peace walker, Alan Wake and Bad Company 2.
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>>739371089nintendo never made good games
Videogame hardware never needed to go past PS2 level. Almost any game from 10s and beyond could've been implemented to play on a console or PC from early 00s with little sacrifices.
>>739371089Here's another FACT FLOOD for /v/:If your turn based game isn't multiplayer or lacks a pvp component, it requires 0 (zero) strategy and can be cheesed without much thought. There is no single smart JRPG
You're all a bunch of retarded niggers
>>739374218If gacha is nothing but porn addicts, then why are they more successful than actual porn games that come out, and by a large margin? And the biggest gacha market per capita is Japan, a country that doesn't need to worry about "government approved games." I don't know what you're fucking on about with your Blackrock point. You seem to be literally agreeing with me. Blackrock artificially influenced devs with their money rather than devs switched target audiences because men stopped buying video games.
>>739374628ps2/gamecube/xbox didn't have configurable render pipelines ie no real shaders, most of the graphical effects we have to today are impossible to implement on them.
>>739374665Fact Flood so huge it even took Noah with it
>>739374665t. plays game on easy (or "normal" aka renamed easy to not hurt butts) and looks up guides on youtube
>>739372262I’m 40, so I seriously doubt it.
You're all a bunch of retarded niggers.
>>739371089the new start fox character designs are great and remaking star fox 64 on the switch 2 will provide a more honest impression of the remade concept than star fox zero did since it wont be crippled by the retarded wii-u control scheme.
>>739371089E33 was mid
No shitbut the key here is that those decade defining masterpieces are ALWAYS exclusives.When we removed exclusives as a meaningful path for developers to hyperoptimize for a system to be able to push it to and past it's perceived limits, we stopped getting good games, everything is just made for the lowest common denominator.See: crash bandicoot 1 vs crash bandicoot 4.
>>739374895Graphical parts are the main sacrifice but it's not integral to the game process. Elden Ring with PS1 graphics will still play like Elden Ring.
>>739375335the amount of appeal and presentation that modern graphics enable is not "little sacrifices"
>>739372037>No, your franchise went to shit because you and/or people like you stopped paying for their games and they had to change things up in a desperate bid to attract new consumers.BzzzzzzWrong. People who liked the game series bought it, are you insane? Yeah "Earthbound fan excited to play it for the first time" but that is more internet thing.The reason is that MAJORITY of other people stopped buying it. Or maybe it was some higher up wanting the line go up. Or maybe the newer normalfag pandering shit just sold more because it pandered to normalfags.Saying that "ackhually its the fans fault!!!" is missing the point. Capitalism wants to acquire more capital. Thats it. In past someone like EA, Microsoft, or Activision buying your studio sounded amazing. Imagine, getting to work with the big names of the industry... Its like Disney or Warner Bros buying your movie studio!But little did they knew.Stop excusing "poor shareholders that need to make ends meet ;/" or shit studio leads for their shit decisions or making the old franchises slop void of soul. Do you genuinely think Diablo fans are to blame for the absolute state of Diablo series. Or Warcraft fans for WoW? Or any franchise Microsoft rapes to death? Or Pokemon fans for the declining quality of Pokemon? Hell, Pokemon fans ALWAYS buys the games and they STILL suck.Almost as much as your argument.Get real.
>>739371089Wow OP, such a hot take...What a controversial statement
>>739375314>alwaysWrong. See COD4. There's probably more
>>739371089Infantile take, be more observant before considering yourself enough of a critical thinker to drop "trvth nvkes" or whatever fucking zoomer chudspeak buzzwords you're trying to force
>>739375669Presentation doesn't do much beyond initial impression. After you've played for a while, the visuals give way to the mechanical recognition, and at that point you might as well be controlling vague geometrical shapes.
>>739374665Pokèmon has a huge PVP component though
>>739376165>at that point you might as well be controlling vague geometrical shapes.at ps2 graphics you will be.
>>739373613If your favorite dev or community where able to be influenced or strong armed in to their demands then that's generally on you. Stop being a fagot and take accountability for being a pussy and move on lol
>>7393765014/5 flood points
>>739371089 >despite modern consoles having tens of thousands of games with digital distribution and endless back catalogs to shamelessly and lazily remaster and remake, the PS2 still has the most 90+ rated games on metacritic with 58kek no, games are infinitely shittier now, little zoomie faggot
>>739371089PS2Sly 3 gamesRatchet and Clank 4 gamesJak and Daxter 4 gamesKingdom Hearts 3 gamesGod of War 2 gamesApe Escape 2 gamesArmor Core, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, Garfield, God Hand, and multiplat with Xbox had GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas, all of these came out within 2-3 years, and this is just off the top of my head. Games used to flood consoles, It's modern inflated budgets and the chase for realism that has strangled any new or regularly made games. Get fucked... what are you guys gen Beta cuck or something?
>>739371089That's only true if you're a zoomer that didn't play vidya before 2005
>>739375724>Hell, Pokemon fans ALWAYS buys the games and they STILL suck.You're entire argument is saying it's not the fans fault and then you ended by saying it's the fans fault.Let alone the rethoric of popular doesn't equal good barely holds up in a free market because ultimately people will always choose what is the best for them. It doesn't matter if you think modern Diablo, or WoW, or Pokémon or whatever is bad. If it is making enough money, specially a fuck ton of it, then it is good. Because if it wasn't good then generally speaking people would stop buying and playing the games and move on to whatever will meet their demands. It's literally basic economics. You can even go a step further and bring in modern day social issues as well. /v/ loves to bitch about niggers, troons and Type A/B body types and seeth when asked "why do you care it doesn't matter" but if it actually did matter to the over all masses, and you, then you would actually do something about it. And wow, no one has actually done anything to stop it so it must not be that big of a deal to put in any more effort than bitching about it online.
>>739372037Entire 7th gen was publishers turning beloved and new series' into casualized shit because "we want the wider audience".
>>739376884Because shit wasn't retardedly big and complex, do a handful of really talented people could make the most of the hardware, instead of defaulting to one of several 3rd party engines and outsource the fuck out if itI will never be convinced that modern gaming is better than gens 4-6, and to a lesser extent halfway through gen 7>>739377223>N-NOT TRUE! NOW IT HAS [fotm IP or 20 y o IP that's barely relevant anymore to keep nostalgia junkies who play, hooked]>*proceeds to furiously and frantically do some stupid tik tok zoomie dance holding back tears as they ponder what their favorite streamer would do in this situation
>>739375918>cod 4>masterpiecelmaolol
>>739377654Yes it was.
>most milky toast lukewarm statement ever>OMG TRVVVVVVKE ACT LIKE A FOOL THINK LIKE A BRILLIANT SAAAAR
>>739377880Here's a spicy take: Just because you don't think it's a spicy take doesn't mean it isn't one.
Less hate more truthnukes
>>739371089>filler slopActually we don't get fillerslop at all anymore, comfy mid budget gaming died with the handheld market and rise of live service games, what's left of that market segment was taken over by indieslop despite the vast and obvious difference in production value and skill
>>739371089Hard difficulty in video games is a lazy and outdated game design. It only made sense for arcade games because devs wanted to incentivise people to feed more coins into the machine. Early console generations (until 5th) also suffered from this problem since lots of those games were ported to home systems. Unfair difficulty was also seen as a way to prolong play time and mask the absence of quality content. In some cases, difficulty wasn't even properly playtested (due to oversight or the lack of funds) which resulted in a game that was never intended to be difficult, many From Software games suffer from this issue. Such practice should've died by now but unfortunately, incompetent or unprofessional developers managed to find a way to further exploit this "feature" by gaslighting their players into believing that hardcore difficulty is a crucial part of their artistic vision and not just a simple way to hide weaknesses of a game. This is why it's almost impossible to criticise "hard" vidya, even when this criticism doesn't concern game's difficulty.
>>739374114Piss5 isn't a fair shake because modern consoles are just neutered PCs. Piss3 is the last generation that was at least partially unique, even if it was the beginning of the end.
>>739379764You sound like a faggot.What do you believe is the purpose of a video game?
>>739379764This poster is right. If I want a challenge, I'll play against humans. Singleplayer games are for relaxing.
>>739372037You’re wrong but also right. You can’t gatekeep a community, only the developer can do that. But its also not a personal failure that the fanbase went to shit, you have no sway at all. the thing is, you only liked the community to begin with because it was small and autistic in the way you were. Gaining mainstream popularity is the goal of literally all devs, because a bigger community means more sales.Look at dark souls, it’s a perfect case of working the market. You make something niche and unapproachable by a wide audience, which builds your rep and gets normies curious but not participating. Then you release a new one, normify it, and watch as the money pours in because the people who used to be “gated” are now allowed to experience the game. On the path the global popularity, the original community is just bait for the real target. Make something look cool but unapproachable, deny them, then afterwards give them what they’ve been denied.
>>739380063>What do you believe is the purpose of a video game?To experience that which isn't possible to experience through any other form of interactive media
Here’s an actual one for /v/tards Story matters. A lot. As much as gameplay in some games (though almost never more) story informs art direction and theming and music and the vibe of what you’re actually doing playing this game. A game with bad gameplay isn’t fun and it weighs the story down, and that’s a bad game. But a game with great gameplay but no reason to be participating in it is a Skinner box for time. The /v/tard platonic ideal of an all gameplay, no story game where you just click buttons for no purpose sounds fucking miserable, and actually exactly like fortnite or one of those massive multiplayer slopfests you pretend to be above.
>a few decade defining masterpiecesThose came out on a monthly basis in the 90's, and that's literally no exaggeration.I mean, there are games on the SNES that are every bit as good as Megaman X that people don't even know about, because they were already swamped by quality.
>>739377542Not that anon but you're just retarded. That anon's point is that he doesn't consider normies "fans"... but kind of sub-human-ish troglodytes.Either your reading comprehension is that 3rd world level or you're ragebaiting using strawman fallacy and sophistry.>muh 'ain't reading all that' and 'buzz words'.For anyone reading this that is new on the board, don't engage in cheap ragebait. If anything, bait the ragebaiters.Games didn't magically change because the original fans sucked, it sucks because most normies nowodays suck and those can not, objectively be called fans on the basis they are not capable of critical thinking, just like you, as for the companies, I'd argue many are not so inocent but greedy as hell and or BR actually pulling some strings behind the scene when it served them a purpose, directly or indirectly, though that is a different debate alltogheter even if no debate would be needed when one quick google search shows their history
>>739380935there's only a couple of autismos who actually think story doesn't matter/v/ always loved their obscure edgy jarpigs and so called style over substance games if the style in question appeals to them
>>739371089'Slop' from my childhood is better than modern 'masterpieces'.Additionally AA is barely a thing anymore.
>>739381624You'd look like a massive retard trying to argue Aladdin on the SNES is better than 'insert modern masterpiece you don't like'.
>>739371089This is only true in a relative sense. In an absolute sense the quality of the average video game has been dropping since like the early PS4 / Xbone or late PS360 era, so most modern AAA games are complete and utter dogshit. Retard.
>>739374829Gachatards think paying for porn is beneath them but paying for softcore porn is less degenerate. Don't ask me why, I wouldn't pay for either. >Blackrock artificially influenced devs with their money rather than devs switched target audiences because men stopped buying video games.Both can happen, but every series that's gone to shit hasn't been Blackrock funded. It was a wholly internal enshittification as a means of appealing to a wider audience. My ultimate point is that devs aren't your friends despite how /v/ acts and ultimately are going to do whatever they think will make them the most money.
>>739380935Yes and no. I guess I play a lot of building games which don't have a story. The goal is to make your own story. There is no story in Sim City and the scenario descriptions in I don't think really counts as a story either. But I would say the ability to craft your own story is part of why those games are fun and if the game does not provide you with those tools then it's not fun. I think good art direction and personality can actually trick a person in to thinking there is a story which in turn gets them attached, such as in the case in RCT where they at least give you a breif description of the scenario you are playing, which despite me saying doesn't count, still kind of does.
>>739381308Your entire argument is "they aren't fans because I say they aren't fans."
Alundra > Zelda
>>739384164That's not what he said, try again. There are plenty of NPCs that just see gaming as a social event, they dont really engage with it beyond surface level and just mindlessly consume.
>>739381864It's better than mixtape.
>>739384356And there are plenty that see it as more. Once again you are trying to redefine what a fan is so it suits you. You're right that what bought them in was the game, but you can still be a fan of something and still want change and be critical of a game so that way it gets better for both your enjoyment and for others to come in. You are just upset they kept changing to no longer catter to you and find your ideas both unenjoyable and unprofitable.
>>739385436Not that guy, go pound sand normalfaggot
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>>739385892I'm the Anon that spoke about ragebaiting. Imagine being ratio'd by 3 different people and proving my argument right too. Thanks for making me laugh at you anon. Here's a (you). Also no, the argument was not about taste or me putting my own subjective perspective on the term "fan". The majority of people are just troglodytes, but eh strawman and nitpicking is the only way normies can even get attention these days.
>>739382417> ultimately are going to do whatever they think will make them the most moneyNah I disagree. There's only so many times I can watch these devs (and showrunners, movie directors etc) double and triple down on this shit that clearly isn't working and is doing noticeable damage to the IP before I start to suspect these are true believers. If they were just after money, they wouldn't be chasing their most lucrative playerbase into the hands of their Asian rivals.
