>BG1 companions: 25>BG2 companions: 23>BG3 companions: 10Why do gamers accept this?
>>739375891Quality over quantity
>>739375891BG3 isn't really a proper CRPGIt's a basic black bitch tacticas game with a coat of DND paint over it in the hopes it'll sell shitIt's just an example of stage five of hobbies being mainstream: we're in the 'this isn't fun for me so change the base concepts to make it fun'Plus the fact it's still in alpha state with over 90% of content promised still missing might have something to do with it it tooI think only 30% or so even made it to act fucking 3
>>739375891That's what happens when every character is fully voiced with hundreds or thousands of voice lines.
>>739375891>>BG2 companions: 2317, Beamdog fanfiction doesn't count
>>739376049i dropped it maybe an hour or 2 into act 3 lmao
>>739375891voice acting and cut scenes and animations and reactivity to basically everything
>>739376049Fewer than 25% of players have beaten the game.Fewer than 4% of players did the evil ending because the game is a friendship simulator and they can't stand the idea of betraying the party.Also it's about 40% of players who beat Act II.Only about 50% of players even finished Act I.Only 6.2% of players beat the game on Hard and only 3.1% beat it on the hardest difficulty. Basically a quick look at the data shows most people who "play" the game don't actually engage with the actual gameplay elements and never will finish the game even though it's easy.
I beat it on Honor mode and I don't know why /v/ talks about this game so much it's just ok nothing special
>>739375891pathfinder is better
>>739376914the TTRPG yeah much better but the vidya no, all pathfinder games are so combat focused which is good because thats the core of whats fun but theyre severely lacking in anything else and theres no real way to meaningfully use your character and skills outside of combat
>>739376914Take away the kingdom management and pathfinder kingmaker easily hits a 9/10
>>739376049>BG3 isn't really a proper CRPGIt's a basic black bitch tacticas game with a coat of DND paint over it in the hopes it'll sell shittrue. completed it in coop recently and the writing is abysmal so that leaves us with just a tactics game really. it was fine in that regard and the systems were made competently but it's really nothing to write home about. the smarmy humor and that faggot thief with a lisp was like nails on blackboard
>>739375891BG3 is a gimped DOS2.5, that's why
>>739375946>Qualitylol
>>739376914numbers slop
>>739379270its more crunchy than 5e but you gotta be a retard if you can't figure it out, the math is all really simple and straight forward
>>739375891>>BG1 companions: 25They barely say anything at all, might as well use a custom party in BG1.>>BG2 companions: 23There were fewer in the original, but yeah, BG2 did a great job, hence why it's the single most famous and best regarded crpg ever made.>>BG3 companions: 10With a tonne of unique dialogues and even unique quests and mechanics. They did a very good job.
>>739375891All the companions from BG1 and BG2 combined have less unique dialogue than a single one from BG3.
>>739379437>They did a very good job.Only with the companions on the box art. Others are very half baked, like Minthara for example has so many situations where you'd expect unique dialogue or interaction only for her to say and do nothing and nobody in the world reacts to her presence.Like straight up you should NOT be able to bring her to Moonrise Towers, she should absolutely refuse or the guards and NPC's should be like "Hey there's that fucking traitor, kill her." but they literally could not give a single shit.
>>739376914dnd magic system seems to be better
>>739379638They say “hey there’s that fucking traitor” exactly once and then you talk your way out of it.
>>739375891BG1 and 2 companions have zero depth. BG1 specifically doesn't even have companion dialogue past the very first small interaction. Jeheira and her husband are mute after you meet them at the inn at the start of the game.
>>73937671925% of 20 million is still more people beating the game than most games have players total.
>>739379638that literally happens though
>>739375891most people didn't play the originals, you sure didn't otherwise you wouldn't have tried to use BG1 as a comparison because every "companion" in that game is a cardboard cutout that loses all sense of individuality the second they get absorbed into the party. that said BG3's companion selection is a bummer yeah, a consequence of the increased production value of full motion capture and voice acting for every NPC.
>>739379517yeah, beacuse "hey, let's have sex with my bear gay husband" and "boo hoo i got spanked by evil vampire lord so I am gay now" is deep.
>>739379670Only at lower levels because Pathfinder is so buff debuff CC and support focused and there isn't as much of a dedicated nuker equivalent like DND but casters become extremely strong in pathfinder and bring a ton of utility to the party which is needed in the system.
>>739375891faggits get out my vidyer
>>739375946>Quality over quantityThis is such a bullshit argument. The classic BG games had way better written companions than 3. Example: Neera was better written than any character in BG3 and that was way back in 2001.
>>739375891>nothing but various kinds of humans and knife ears>not a single dwarf, gnome or halfling.I am still mad, I always try to have at least one short race in my Forgotten Realms vidya teams.>>739375946>quality>for Boulders Gay IIIDoes not compute>>739376285>>739376551That's the obvious answer.
>>739376719>Fewer than 25% of players have beaten the game.That is actually higher than I'd expect for a game of this length. You will very rarely find a game with >40% completion rate, only for exceptionally short games. Many games only see around 70% of players beating the first chapter/boss, with a decent chunk never even running the game. People just don't play their games.
>>739379939Did anyone say anything about depth, you eternally butthurt faggot?
>>739375891Ten? only companionsi found were Shadowheart and the mercenaries that you can create at camp from Withers. did i rly miss that much? i beated the whole game...
>>739379939Take your meds.
Why is this crapped being spammed again
The average BG1 recruitable's only dialogue was in the recruitment. only the most meme BG1 characters remained in people's memories.BG2 was a bit better with companions having personalities, but you definitely had developer pets who got way more dialogue & banter than others. Compare Jan Jansen to that gay shapeshifting druid. I don't even remember his name Shapeshifting druids were SO FUCKING SHITTY that taking him was an intentional handicap you chose.BG3's characters are all built into the game story. BG3 is like Dragon Age, you don't make your own party, you play with the party the developers give you.
>>739379939I have over 2000 hours in this game and have never seen that happenhave you thought about not being gay?
>>739375891>3 years later, pajeets are still seething about BG3
>>739380176Isn't Neera one of the Beamdog OC's?I remember Saerileth, an OC that was kinda popular during the early 2000's that was badly written, but my memory is kinda fuzzy.
>>739375946This is the company's attempt, but they ruined it with terrible writing.
>>739380249maybe play again as a dark urge and explore every spot on the map and talk npcs with unique namejust a suggestion
>>739379437>With a tonne of unique dialogues and even unique quests and mechanics. They did a very good job.Really that's the fucking problem.90% of what sold the game was literally 'wow an AI + voice generator could do this'That's literally it. The rest are 'muh tactics' tards that just wanted more slop after DOS 1 and 2
>>739376343This
>>739380381yeah neera is 100% beamdog, that guy is baiting
>>739380341>He thinks that niggers and faggots are better than JeetLmao
>>739380409Doing a pure dark urge playthrough and picking all the dark urge options was fun but I had to kill off half the party members in act 1
Baldur's Gate 3 is a shit game. Every other second you get reminded about american politics, everything revolves around sex. You are not allowed to have unique opinion, every other character is so unique and quirky that every other character is a rare race with some cheats enabled. All the female characters are turned into dykes or into men. 50% of men get turned into faggots. Human's are the rarest species in the fucking Sword Coast. Sword Coast is in africa btw and Umberlee is aquatic ape.
>>739380409i kinda been wanting to replay it but it was so difficult the first time. only reason i beat it was cause i put the lobby on Public and i let Randoms carry me :U
>>739380249nigger what?
>>739375946fpbp
>>739380651one of my more fun runs was killing off companions in unique ways. only person who lived was Astarion because I never ascended him before but I >ate gale's hand>sold shadowheart out to the sharrans>cut off karlach's head>killed Mizora and turned Wyll into slime (this one was particularly tough because I had to fight Myrkul with a party of 3)>saved Halsin, only to start the portal fight and let it close behind him>triggered the big tower fight between the Harpers and the Cultists, flew up to the second floor and watched Jaheria and gang get slaughtered>killed Minsc in regular combat (my least impressive kill)>killed Lae'zel who I was romancing to get Slayer Form because I wanted the Tieflings to live into act 3 for Dammon's shop>knocked out Minthara in the goblin camp so I could lobotomize her in the tower prison
>5e players when they have to do basic arithmetic but with slightly larger numbers.
>>739380176>The classic BG games had way better written companions than 3LOL
>>739381302I know, sad it's true
>>739381302I can maybe buy that argument for 2, but anyone making that claim including 1 is a larper.
>>739380746well you know more nowalso can always just lower the difficulty
>>739380189Yeah, they dropped the ball on the race variety. Astarion should have been a halfling, Halsin a half orc, and they should have cut Minsc and introduced a drawf instead.
>>739381074Personally I prefer to eat Minthara's heart after fucking her
>>739381595there's too much good stuff you give up by raiding the tiefling camp, Dammon in both acts 2 and 3 is a vending machine of great equipment, one I didn't particularly want to part with. Like my entire mid to endgame for my Durge was the Charge Bound warhammer because I was playing hexblade.
>>739381495That's why I'm laughing. 1's companions are awful.
>>739381841Don’t forget the free +1 ac boots from the tiefling child.
>>739379638minthara, wyll are complete afterthoughts. minsc isn't even a character, more of a mascot that says silly one-liners now & then, jaheira is lovely tho & even fits in the plot. it's quite abyssmal for a party based game. & of course there are literally like no real evil pathways in the game. bg3 is hard carried by act 1. enjoyment falls off a cliff soon after.
>>739376719>Fewer than 4% of players did the evil endingbecause the game is long af and the vast majority of people do the good ending for a first playthrough. It doesn't help that being evil fucking sucks in this game and just results in having less content.
>>739383868Anon less than 1/4th have beaten the game in general and it's about 10-12 hours once you cut out all the pointless empty areas to pad out the game and the fact combat animations and gameplay for it takes about 4-5 times as long as it shouldImagine if you played GTA but each time you did a new mission it literally conisisted of over 30 minutes of driving and walking from place to place just to talk to npcs to be told to fuck off somewhere else
>>739379968can they do timestop?
>>739375891It's better that the companions are fleshed out
>>739384494This. I blew through the entire game in like 8 hours and even that was unbearable. I reckon 90% of players drop it in the first couple hours. No idea why Larian is still botting the game on steam.
>>739384723Except BG3 characters are not fleshed out at all... Out of all crpgs I've played, Baldur's Gate 3 has the worst written characters I've ever seen.
>>739375891BG3 is BG in name alone anyway.
>romancing astarion>let him ascend>he wants to turn me into his personal cum sock by turning me into his spawn>get horny>do it>there's like a billion options to say no including kicking him in the balls>read his mind>narrator: "he thinks you're his little cum rag. you're probably into it isn't you horny bitch">do it>get another censored sex scene in an AO game but it's one of the better ones>next day, become vampire spawn>get like a useless bite attack or whatever it's act 3 120 hours in>astarion's dialogues are all about ironic romance and love doves and whatever to mask the blatant rape undertone because if he ever said the wrong word the game would have gotten deleted from existence>can still dump him and he'll tell you to fuck off and nothing happens because of that lmaohot ngl
>>739385384I feel like I am taking crazy pills when BG3 fans go on about companions. I actually really like BG3 because of the encounters, but the companions are lame AF compared to most other big party-based RPGs.
>>739380176>Neera was better written than any character in BG3 and that was way back in 2001.I will end you, shitposter.
>>739375946people will try to clown on you for this post but I legitimately agreeI recruited ajantis during my playthrough of bg1 and he said nothing all game. He was essentially a faceless minion
>>739380430>AI+voice generator could do this>SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARAlso, congratulations on admitting that you have no soul.
>>739386142They are all weirdly one-note and non-descript as far as companion personalities go. The party clashes between companions like Aerie and Sarevok worked, because she was pure good, he was a chaotic evil shithead. Or her, compared BG3 to DA:O and fights between Morrigan vs Leliana or Morrigan vs Alistair. We needed more extreme shit like that. There is barely any conflict in BG3, with even Shadowheart and Lae'zel starting to get along very quickly. Also, Shadowheart really can't decide whether she wants to be good or evil, so she just keeps sitting on the fence all game, which ironically makes her bants very boring.
>>739375946TRVTH NVKE
>>739375891bg1 and 2 don't have mocap or voice acted dialogue for all of the characters.granted, every male bg3 character was a disgusting faggot piece of shit
Larian toned down all their shit personalities and just ended up making them bland.they were supposed to all be pricks forced to work together, but they listened to early access feedback whining about how they were all pricks and unlikable. which was the point though
>>739387286Because they were VERY unlikeable and tiresome after a while. If you want to introduce assholes, make sure you have good and wholesome characters to counter them, so that you are not stuck with just bitchy busybodies for 100 hours. And that's what the original cast of BG3 was, shitty people who kept whining and bitching over everything.
>>739375891More like>BG1: 0>BG2: 5 (I am being generous here)>BG3: 8
>>739381576I never liked that memelord retard Minsc and his rodent, so I would have liked the idea, especially since the reason they used to have him in Baldur's Gate a century after the Bhaalspawn Crisis is convenient but also lazy as fuck.What pisses me regarding the retrun of certain companions is that they used only characters that were brought back from BG1 to BG2 and that were popular, when they could have shown they had balls and pick up less-liked characters (elves and dwarves mostly because of their longevity) and give them a chance to shine. I would have loved to see companions like Kivan, Xan, Kagain, Korgan or Jan. But when you see what WotC did to most of the old characters, in retrospect, it's a good thing theyt weren't brought back, they would have surely been sullied another time.
BG2 was the beginning of the enshitification of CRPGs, it's when romances and cringe companion storylines took the center stage, BG1 has many companions that have their unique personalities and memorable barks, but if you lose or miss a companion, you don't lose out on a significant chunk of gameplay, you can recruit someone else and go on.
>>739375891Faggots like you will whine when unnecessary, superfluous, undeveloped characters get cut from a game but also whine when open world games are filled with pointless filler and collectibles. Please put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger
>>739375946Whedon agrees.
>>739375891>bro Skyrim has soooo many more followers than the Fallout games that means the Skyrim followers are better and have more variety!>meanwhile, the Skyrim followers (they have identical lines for everything)
>>739386590The fact that alignment is no more because it was viewed as "restrictive" (which is horseshit, alignments aren't set in stone, sometimes you have to do diurty business playing as a paladin, and you patron deity isn't that stupid, it cna understand that you had no choice but to act like you did, like in BG2 when you have to choose between the evil vampires and the lesser evil Shadow thieves) probably doesn't help.The companions in 3 felt like a bunch of cuntish assholes leaning strongl towards evil and who gives a fuck about lawful/neutral/chaotic nowadays.
>>739387623>I never liked that memelord retard Minsc and his rodentI hate that fag so much, if the game came out today everyone would call him reddit, he's no different from a Karlach.
>>739387954But there was also no aligment in DA:O and I would say that characters like Leliana and Morrigan were million times more interesting than any companion in BG3. Specifically because they were two extremes with clear personality traits, while everybody in BG3 is wishy-washy, leaning towards a snarky asshole.
>>739375946First post, best post. People seem to misunderstand what this Anon means by this. The Baldur's Gate 3 companions are objectively shittier and less likable than any companion from the previous two games, but by right of being from a new modern title with extensive animations, reactivity and a shit ton of voice lines they naturally are naturally going to be fewer companions than games which only had limited animations and no voice acting. Its a shame they made the BG3 companions unlikable faggots, but this is a quality over quantity situation despite that.
>Another Tencent adspam threadAgainst bthe rules btw
>>739388392It's been three years anon, how long before Tencent stops advertising this game that absolutely flopped by running 24/7 botfarms?
>>739388392So is being a wannabe hall monitor yet you still do it for free
Speaking of conflicts - why do Shadowheart and Lae'zel hate each other? I never understood why they even have a beef with one another.Leliana vs Morrigan or Anders vs Fenris I understand - they have clashing philosophies that cannot be compromised. But Shadowheart vs Lae'zel? Do they hate each other just because Larian figured out it's a Bioware-like and they know Bioware games are known for party conflicts?
Postbotfarms are cheap when trying to keep the astroturf going. After wasting millions on steam bots. But you know that Chang. You are state mandated by the ccp to make these spam threads.
>>739388392NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST SAVE AND REPOST IMAGES ON FOURCHANNEL
>>739388710How much longer do you think they can pay me, I need to look for a new job instead of astroturfing this game that definitely only sold 200k copies globally and everybody hated (but we botted the reviews)
>>739388876>Same exact thread every day>Multiple times per dayThat's the definition of spam, wong>Also 25%+ of the posts about goblinsKeep giving yourself away
>>739388924Tencent is the biggest game publisher in the world because they have a literal government funding them. A shitty one, but still a government.
>>739388996So in perpetuity, and I'll still be paid 30 years from now? Sick.
>>739387660>BG1 has many companions that have their unique personalities and memorable barksNo they don't. BG1 companions aren't even characters, they have a handful lines of dialogue each. Companions storylines are fantastic and make the world feel much more alive.
>>739389093They can't even afford to shill the premium package in this shithole of all places. That's why they settle for the valupack with 3 year old games again. Best get that food delivery vest on, Zhang.
>>739388704Shadowheart treats her with hostility because she carries a gith relict and is afraid of Lae'zel finding out. The conflict between them is more or less singlehandedly started by her. This is why it also fizzles relatively quicky and Laezel even starts treating her well later.
>>739375946It has neither>>739375891I'd rather have no dev made companions. Purely player made party is 100% superior in every way shape and form. I don't want to babysit the dev's shitty oc doughnut steel
>>739389285They shill everywhere, I'm just here for some cheap supplies. I'm surprised Xi himself mandated we shill everywhere forevermore but hey, the CCP gets whatever it wants. Just odd to shill this objective flop (~200k max sales) with so many botfarms and human shill squads. Keeps me in rice and baiju though.
>>739386132How does the romance play out if you're a player Astarion, i wonder? Can you turn any of the girls?
>>739375891Over half the companions from the first 2 games were little better than generic NPCs with scarcely more than 2 lines of dialogue. It was especially bad in 1.
>>739380596They absolutely are. t. professional jeet despiser
>>739389246What makes the world feel alive is freedom to explore and interesting encounters, focusing dev resources on companions means less of those and end result is that the player must take certain companions or lose out of on most of the game's content.
>fix Shadowheart>she tries to fix YOU, same as ArueshalaeNeat
>>739390719Every companion does this in the dark urge thing. Every single one.
Schizobro, don't look.
>>739390827Not every single one....
>>739391007No don't show him, he'll blow the case wide open and Xi pays me literal hundreds of thousands of dollars!
>>739391214So what, she consents to be murdered? Because that's what that check is from, when you're all tied up and you're trying to not scream obscenities.
>>739389765now I have a reason to finally play as Asstarion
>>739391007bots >>739388710
>>739379393Understanding it? Easy. Enjoying it? It helps to be retarded.
>>739391007meanwhile, no one has even heard of the game because >>739391335
>>739391412Oh, these are just rival shills. We can't really stop them, so we drown them out. You know how this industry is.
>>739391291Oh, that check doesn't happen if you follow the urge and kill Nightsong, I was confused about the moment you were talking aboutHonestly, I have absolutely no idea what Minthara says in that situation
>>739391323Astarion also makes an incredible monk, especially the ascendant.
>>739391548Too bad you can't reflect "rival shills" in player dashboards not compromised by CCP bots.
>>739391412Yeah, and don't forget they faked half a billion downloads on third-party mod site Nexus Mods. They also made 18k fake mods for the game and lots of BG3 modding communities with tens of thousands of users on Discord. All fake.Same goes for mod.io. 481.3 million fake downloads and 8k fake mods. Such a good use of resources.
>>739391942>and don't forget they faked half a billion downloadsThey literally did >>739391602>>739388710You've never been good at this, Ming
>>739391602Well we've compromised EVERY board. Literally all of them. The entire world dances to the CCP's tune, and a little blip like yourself does nothing to tarnish the reputation of this game that everyone but you KNOWS is a blockbuster worldwide success (only 200k sold). So what if you found a few cracks in the mask? Everyone else is astonished by its beauty.
>>739375891more options is nice but on the flip side seeing so many sidelined feels bad
>>739392003Yep, a total of 1 billion fake downloads on third-party site. All those user accounts? Fake. All the hundreds of thousands of posts and reviews from different users with extensive libraries on Steam? Fake. They bought 400+ games for all of them to make them seem organic.
>>739392038Correct. Only china would waste money so broadly they'd also waste it on this shithole of a site.
>>739375946Correct, though as most replies show, they misunderstand what you're saying. A better word would be Depth. Each companion has more depth, though this doesn't necessarily mean good. I personally didn't like most of the companions in BG3, but I admit they have more going on than some games with more companions.>>739376914Correct, but specifically 1E. 2E is okay for mechanics, but the world and writing has taken a nosedive since 2E. All the praise is for shit they wrote over a decade ago
>>739375946where is this quality?
is this the quality?
>>739392117And reddit, and metacritic, literally everywhere. Youtube, tiktok (obviously), instagram, Discord. all communities we invented and then let people think were real. You meanwhile are the "Last line of defense" against us in fucking 4chan /v/. Hell, the only reason we come here is to prod you.>>739392257See, you can only post this webm, because we've literally removed all the other footage of the combat that makes us look bad from the internet. We're just better than you.
>>739388205Indeed, but you could at least towards where the characters leaned, more or less.
This no-life loser really has been fuming about this game for 3 years, huh? He's unspeakably mentally ill. Divinity will make him kill himself. He'll cry himself to sleep alone like always until then.
>>739388115Glad to see I'm not alon on that.
>>739392484No, Divinity will be my great leader Xi Jinpeng's magnum opus. We don't expect it to sell a single copy, but we will fore it to be GOTY. After we accomplish that, we'll use the botfarm technology to take over the world.
>>739392435*you could at least tell
>>739375891>Why do gamers accept this?I don't accept it, though?
>>739392553Are you aware of your pathetic existence when you lay your head down to sleep at night? Does it ever enter your mind? Do you know?
>>739392663Perhaps, but I'm on the winning side. You've seen how powerful our little rinky-dink first time operation was with BG3. We're scaling it up next time. Oh, you can screenshot this, but nobody will believe you until it's too late and the proof of our effectiveness changes the world.
>>739387930ok but have you considered that one is FemaleEvenToned and the other is FemaleYoungEager
>started a storm sorc run>mfw hitting level 5 and starting to absolutely wipe entire screens>mfw realizing i can spam call lighting 2-3 times per turn after upcasting it, so effectively i fire a fuckload of level 5-6 slots for freeOh now i get why it's durge's default class huh.
>>739375891Most of the companions in 1 and 2 are one note generic archetypes of a given class with quippy lines. Even if you don't like the ones in 3, there's still substantially more to them than the alternative.
>>739392765You inherently lose by engaging in long-term schizoposting.
>>739392435Yeah, I can see that. To this day I have no idea what will Shadowheart approve of, but in DA:O, every companion's personal ideology was very transparent.
>>739393782lmao look at this weirdo talking no one cares what this guy says lmao
>>73937589110 companions worth hundreds.
