>No clear Protagonist>Celes gets forced down our throats in favor of other characters>Second half of the game feels like an opitonal questWhy do people like this game again?
>>739376372The first half is good and the storytelling in a SNES was impressive for its time. Then FF7 came out and everyone could feel like a badass awesome contrarian by saying look at me ackshully FF6 is the best final fantasy. Everyone pretty much knows the game fucking blows after the end of the floating continent
>>739376372>>739376654You're both braindead retards with shit taste. Consider suicide.
Not having a single protagonist isn't a bad thing, the main-ish characters are fleshed out enough to be interesting. I don't feel like there's too much of Celes, not more than Terra anyway. Most FF until then had the "go do X dungeons before the final boss" phase, so I don't see how it's a problem.
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>>739376372>>No clear Protagonistthis is not a flaw
>No clear ProtagonistIt's not a bad thing.>Celes gets forced down our throats in favor of other charactersMaybe she got more screen time than some of the other party members, it was uneven, but again this doesn't make it a bad game.>Second half of the game feels like an opitonal questIdk why you say or feel that, it very much wasn't an optional quest.
>>739376372>>Celes gets forced down our throats in favor of other charactersThe way she just took the role of Terra who stopped being a character was just awful why was she the character we seei n the world of ruin?
>>739376745Samefag
>>739376654>The first half is good and the storytelling in a SNES was impressive for its timewhy Edgar and Sabin don't have a dedicated line of dialogue when they meet in WoR?
>>739376654>and the storytelling in a SNES was impressive for its timeNo it wasn't.
>>739376831Do we even really see more of her, it was more that we started with her. That's it. Not a big deal.
>>739376885Sorry anon that people don't like your favorite game
>>739376372It’s the music.
>>739376901Why was Kain such a cuck?
>>739376901FF4 could be forgiven if it wasn't an on-rails piece of shit where the only thing you can affect is your equipment.
>>739376889Why can't you speak proper english, retard?
>>739376372>zoomzoom can't follow a story if it's not a linear point a to point b journey with a single main characterYikes!>>739376654>Then FF7 came out and everyone could feel like a badass awesome contrarian by saying look at me ackshully FF6 is the best final fantasyFF7 came out in 1997 and liking pre 3d FF didn't become a contrarian opinion until around the time X came out when people started to miss the old games at that point internet discussion had matured enough that FF7 had cemented itself as overrated thanks to the broader internet hobby culture at the time
>>739376925It just felt like the devs had a clear favorite
>>739376937Sorry anon that you're a moron who feels the need to reply to himself
>>739377084Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
>>739377008Not an argument.
>>739377040
Cyan was my favorite.
>>739377217Based. He and the figaro brothers were the best
>>739377307My nigga
Did you rename your characters like the game expects you to?
>>739377040Idk man I'm old as fuck and a lot of people were still saying nah 3 is better due to how hype 7 was at the time. Maybe they were just Nintendo fanboys
>>739377054I didn't get that impression at all, but even if that was the case, they could have picked much worse candidates to play favorites than Celes as she was one of the better characters. Starting WoR with her wasn't a bad move.
>>739377148Posting this is so weird because you're just admitting you're a child Why would you do that?
>>739377479>admitting you're a childzoomers are 30, thanks for admitting you're a retard though, millenigoy-kun.
>>739376372>Why do people like this game again?No clear Protagonist, second half of the game feels like an optional quest.
>>739377509Im going to respond to your bait right now because it's so impressively low effort i wanna see what you have in the next chamber
>>739377217He had the best story, cool dungeon too.
>>739376372>gets forced down our throatsyou can literally bench her after getting setzer in WoR. In WoB, she's a companion character for locke (the actual lead of that scenario), is party locked for the help terra arc before ditching us, and then rejoins at Thamasa. It's literally on par with the rest of the main cast.
>>739377667Him writing letter to that woman to give her hope was awesome.
>That part where the party trusts the obviously evil emperor for seemingly no reasonRetards defend this dogshit story??
>>739377738>That part where the party trusts the obviously evil emperor for seemingly no reasonHe's a good speaker.
>>739377217anyone with taste says this
>>739377217I like Cyan as a character, but man does his skill suck complete ass.
>>739376654This.
For me this is purest best kino, love it and all the variantions. Have been listening for so longhttps://youtu.be/HgXwuDyCTfk
>>739376372>Second half of the game feels like an opitonal questIt was literally conceived at the last second after floating continent was supposed to be the end of the game. We legit got so much good content out it:1. A working nonlinear main questline2. A completely new world map3. A fuckton of new areas/revamped locations4. A massive final dungeon that mogged the fuck out of floating continent5. The entire "Kefka actually succeeded" dynamic to the story which would otherwise be a cliched underdog rebels win against the evil empire story if they just made him a sub-boss to Gestahl/the statues
I think not enough people appreciate the dedication that went into Kefka's gimmick to subvert expectation. When you think about it, why was General Leo a temporary party member in the first place? Why did they give him a menu sprite, why did they give him battle animations, why code him with a unique ability? The answer is simple: The more General Leo looked like a legitimate party member the more Kefka's madcunt twist was unexpected. It just didn't make any sense to add all these game assets for General Leo if he was just going to be cutscene content, there was no way, just NO WAY, they'd waste time doing this just to have Kefka to dab on this sad fucker like a mad cunt, insta kill him, giggle like a schoolgirl and burn down the whole village. And then Kefka did that.This is some sort of deep meta fuckery, tricking the player's perception with the use of unnecessary game assets. Never seen that in another game.
>>739377738They'd just gotten their capital fucked up by an onslaught of espers and offered an unconditional surrender to the Returners
>>739376372>no clear ProtagonistThis is not a bad thing.>Celes gets forced down our throats in favor of other charactersShe's no more forced than any other of the POV characters. You just start the world of ruin with her but then the game becomes about everyone again as soon as you start recruiting people>Second half of the game feels like an optional questNo? What? It becomes open world were you're free to go explore, re-recruit your old guys and do side quests but that's not a bad thing? It just gives you freedom about how you want to go about the rest of the game from there.Anyways none of things you listed are inherently bad just because you didn't personally like them,
>>739377738Games made for Japanese people never have a good story
>>739377894>Replayed the game awhile ago, but for the first time in Japanese>Surprised to find out you can rename his skill pulling from a wide range of kanji which is rarely see in games>This feature was completely cut in the US version>And every skill is complete dogshit compared to just using magic on every characterMan this game is bad
>>739377738The world was actively ending and they needed to stop that. It was slightly more important
>>739378195Except for literally every other Squaresoft release on the same console
>>739378186The games story and character development goes from interesting to a weird "one more job" "im in you son of a bitch" being pretty much all we get for development in the finale. The 2nd half is like a terrible sequel that isn't really all that open if you don't grind.
>>739376372I don't get it either, but they push IX too, and I just plain dislike that one.
>>7393763722 of those are positives.
>>739378382>"one more job">"im in you son of a bitch"kino
>>739376372I think the intention is that there is no clear protagonist. It's not a flaw of the game it's what its actively going for
>>739378382You just have bad taste.
>>739376372>Why do people like this game again?Best SNES RPG graphics. I'd guess the same people that claim it's the best game of all time are there in the current FF7R2 threads arguing about Tifa's boobsI liked Final Fantasy Mystic Quest better than FF3/6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUGDp39srk0
>>739378493It's basically the template they used for P3 the answer and everybody hates that shit. Defending the 2nd half off FF6 is ridiculous it doesn't even mean the games bad it just has a literal identity crisis halfway through that sours some of the experience.
>>739376372Second half of the game was forced by management.
>>739376738Unlike ff12, it works in ff6
>>739378701Man, I know 4chan is retarded but comparing the World of Ruin to the Answer is fucking wild. Go touch grass unironically cause your brain is fried
>>739378734That explains a LOT.
>>739376372music and joker being a mage god that almost win
>>739378195
>>739376991Mad he didnt get Rosa.
>>739378734Man this game would've been total shit if it just ended as is on the floating island.
>>739376994>muh on rails>give me my empty open dead meme world rpg
>>739376654WOR is what you make it. There are tons of fun quests to do, but its optional. It follows the classic FF formula. Still, by comparison, FF7 is even a worst example of a top heavy design. Everyone remembers Midgard and the Sephiroth right, but hardly anything else in between.
>>739376901only cecil was allowed to have character>>739376991he got the oportunity to kill the guy that stole his hoe and have her as bdsm slave
>>739378701I understand if people take issue with the World of Ruin gameplay but it definitely fits into the identity of the game. One of the game's central themes is overcoming and persevering through overwhelming grief, and while there's already a number of losses in the first part of the game (Cyan's family/kingdom, Terra's father, Locke's gf, Leo, etc.) nothing drives that point better than Kefka successfully destroying the world. That's his whole deal is arguing that there is no point in doing anything when everything can be destroyed in a moment's notice, the whole world being left in tatters should be the part where the heroes officially give up in his eyes, but you prove him wrong by picking up the pieces and keep moving forward even when the world's on the edge of oblivion.
>>739378956Kino you meant.
>>739379028Are you blind, autistic, retarded, trolling or all 4?
>>739378916its evangelion with a more convoluted nietzchean shit and the mc isnt fully a crying faggot
>>739377054Specifically Kitase did and he's admitted that he gave Celes more attention because of it
>>739379092rest of the team suicide and are there to assist cecil
>>739379025>Everyone remembers Midgard and the Sephiroth right, but hardly anything else in between.Please stop pretending larpers are people, thanks. There's a ton of great shit in FF7 between those two moments, you're actually just fucking stupid
>>739376372Term you're looking for is ensemble cast.
>>739379142Poor Terra
>>739379142kitase deserve the cross that guy just fuck up shit with his ideas
>>739379159>rest of the team suicide and are there to assist cecilAnyone would give their lives for a stud like this
>>739377148Maybe if they stopped regurgitating these dogshit opinions, it wouldn't be a problem
>>739376372Most of the first half the game is garbage, people remember it for a few stand out scenes (opera, sabin's return to Figaro with Edgar, locke talking about rachel). 2nd half is remembered well because of the open ended style and the tone. Celes literally throws herself off a cliff to kill herself because Cid dies and she thinks Locke is dead too. Unless you're one of the few who manages to keep Cid alive but I think it makes for a weaker story
>>739379274>Celes literally throws herself off a cliff to kill herself because Cid dies and she thinks Locke is dead tooFuck all her other friends I guess
>>739379182>>739379209Celes is a better character than boring ass Tina
The only good thing about Tina is she's naked during her limit break.
>>739379348Well she was in love with Locke specifically. And to be fair they thought most people had been killed by then.
>>739379348She thinks everyone is dead except her/Cid and their little island at first
>>739378916Based
>>739378996FF4 was way more railroaded than any other classic FF. Can't pick your party, the game does it for you. Can't select anyone's class, it's all predetermined. Can't select anything on level-up. Can't teach anyone new skills. The only thing you can do is change equipment.
>>739379350No she is not, Celes has personally committed multiple atrocities, left the Empire not because of said atrocities, but because poison was cowardly used, yet is by Word of God spiritually pure as snow. She is cold and distant to his allies, throws melodramatic lovers' tantrums, is also somehow a world class singer and is overall ultra depressive with her even wishing she had never been born.I really hate Celes. She's the worst character in VI.
>>739376372I think some folks like the sense of "everyone in my party is a protagonist" except for the mimic and yeti, they're kinda just thereWhat I like is the magicite system that can either be utilized to learn magic, boost a stat, or used as a summon I absolutely don't have the patience for learning all enemy skills or gau abilities, but otherwise I loved cranking everyone up and wrecking everything in my pathI min on plot and max on gameplay, so story doesn't influence me one way or another
>>739379396Wouldn't a mention at least be warranted? They were with her through so many things.>>739379443Still though.
>>739379505>is also somehow a world class singerCitation needed. Good enough to not immediately embarrass the opera house != world class.
>>739379104Xenogears writing started in 1994, and released on feb 11, 1998. EoE debuted on jul 19, 1997.
>>739379661>Hyper fixating on something everyone who is not an autist understands>No rebuttal to everything elseGlad we agree Celes is trash.
>>739379791Both are just Tomino ripoffs.
>>739376994Considering how flawed in execution, despite their ambitions, that FF2 and FF3 were, it was actually a smart move to keep things relatively simple, and they actually worked for once with minimal bugs and glitches. You still got some jobs to play with, and keep in mind that jobs were pretty damn simple as of 3 (with some actually getting more to do starting in 4), with the rotating cast members in the style of 2 shifting characters with some different preset specialties on you. It does suck that you can't change more things at your whim (and no, I'm not counting augments because that entire system is retarded, and I'm talking about OG-4 right now), but the game having puzzle bosses is pretty neat because it expects you to know or at least figure out what to do with the team they gave you. The biggest flaw is probably the lack of dashing in SNES, given how big the maps got. That, and the game is, as you said, unfortunately the same in repeat playthroughs.I appreciate 4-Advance/PSP for giving the option to use the other characters at the endgame, since most (but not all) of that is just powering through HP tanks anyways. The post-game stuff was cool, too. Fuck Pixel Remaster for going "that stuff doesn't count because 'muh original director's vision'". And fuck 4-DS for not having any of it.I think FF4DS is kind of a trippy "hard mode" to the OG since it twists your expectations on what to do with some of the bosses you already know, but I can't comment on that compared to someone playing it as their first time compared to the OG. Again, though augments are retarded in execution, even if the idea has good intentions. Having to give away augments to characters who never rejoin your party is fucking stupid though, and if you don't, most of what you're left with is only kinda decent, and there isn't alot to go around, nor can you remove them after setting them on characters. It relies too much on new game plus and that's bullshit. Also its bonus bosses suck.
>>739379505All of those things are moral failings that make celes a more interesting character
>>739379159>team suicideTwins did what they did to save the others and the Elder removed the petrification in the ending. Only Tellah and Yang were retards about it and Tellah's literal entire character arc is about getting revenge no matter the cost so its consistent. Only Yang was retarded for the sake of being a retard.
>>739379505That Mary sue should have gotten killed by the cast.
>>739379801Writing in classic FF is barebones enough that you can project whatever you want onto it. Also didn't you forget the "was used for magitek experiments and brainwashed/mind controlled" part? IIRC one of the cutscenes with the clown has Celes in it as well.
Don’t forget >the only reason why anything in the game happens at all is because the protagonists repeatedly beat the obviously 100% evil, psychotic bad guy, but then just let him go for no reason whatsoever FFVI is the most flagrant example of idiot plot in RPGs, where the entire plot hinges on every main character being an absolute, completely unjustified idiot for the entirety of the game.
>>739379505>Celes has personally committed multiple atrocitiesCan you name one besides conquering Maranda? Even then that's hardly "personal", she's a general in an army obeying the command of her Emperor>left the Empire not because of said atrocities, but because poison was cowardly usedAn anime swordsman could not split a hair so finely. The point is she willingly chooses to abandon an unjust cause she'd been raised her whole life to serve in because they were morally unworthy of her support, and then she spends the entire rest of the game working her ass off to make up for it for their opposition.
>>739380140>Also didn't you forget the "was used for magitek experiments and brainwashed/mind controlled" part?That was Terra, Celes was raised by the empire and got magic put into her like Kefka but not enough to make her lose her mind
>>739379498>cant pick your partyFF6 was the first FF where you could actually change party members at will. FF1 you picked at the start and thats it. 2, 3 AND 5 every character was a blank template sprite.FF4 characters were better simply because you couldn't just do everything with everyone if you grinded long enough. Meaning your tactics had to change depending on the party or in the case of like the Lodestone cavern, characters had to lean on their secondary skills because the story forced you to.
>>739377894They kinda bandaged the solution with the iOS version by changing how menus work, but really, it should have always just been a fucking menu with delayed execution like pixel remaster did. Alternatively, maybe have Cyan be a second directional input character akin to sabin. T-Edition made the bar just fill up much faster, which isn't a bad idea, especially since he changed most of Cyan's skills to not be utter shit, and put the 4-hit defense piercing skill (not the weaker version that doesn't pierce defense) as the last one instead.
>>739376372If Celes was the true protagonist she’d be in Dissidia but she isn’t. Hell even Locke, her boyfriend got to go be in Dissidia NT.
>>739380278>Even then that's hardly "personal", she's a general in an army obeying the command of her EmperorShe is the leader of her men who did all those horrible things, same way we blame the Emperor for being a piece of shit.>An anime swordsman could not split a hair so finely. The point is she willingly chooses to abandon an unjust cause she'd been raised her whole life to serve in because they were morally unworthy of her support, and then she spends the entire rest of the game working her ass off to make up for it for their opposition.It was far too late, she should have left much earlier, it doesn't feel sincere.
>>739376654>The Aeris death scene wouldn't have existed with the Celes suicide scene. >The retarded Cloud lifestream event wouldn't have existed without the journey to reunite the heroes after Kefka won. >Materia wouldn't have existed without Magicite.>All of the minigames wouldn't have existed without the Moogle real time battle event.>Limit breaks wouldn't have existed without Desperation Attacks.>Shinra and the entirety of the technology present wouldn't have existed without the Gestahlian EmpireCope
>>739376901Shut the fuck up ragebaiter
>>739380548Selphie my wife...
>739377040>739377148When you see shit like this in a thread you know it’s tainted and tarnished.
>>739380548Uoooh sex with mages
Not much of a JRPG guy, beat some, dropped some others. I dropped FFVI at the factory.
>>739380875>dropped it during the esper tutorialFiltered.
>>739380691I'm not scrolling up to see what shit you're replying to.Either don't reply at all or do it properly.
>>739377217Like Cait Sith a lot of people miss pronounced his name. Apparently it’s pronounced “Cayenne”?
>>739380913I feel I was doing esper already by then, maybe. Either way, dropped.
>>739381027>Apparently it’s pronounced “Cayenne”?What were they thinking lmao
>>739381069>I cant just autocracy my way thru here wahhh droppedEvery enemy in the factory has high physical defense and is super weak to either fire ice or lightning because its forcing you to engage in the esper and magic learning system. You unironically got filtered.
>>739381027i call it fat cat shit bins after his role in ff7
>>739379972There's enough meme abilities that either fall off or won't get any real use on the final 5 that you can pick up almost every augment on your first run. IIRC you just have to decide which one of Cid or Edward you want to skimp on.
>>739376991It's so crazy to me that even after post-game he still wants to kill cecil and replace him , I've never seen a final fantasy character that's as cucked as this dude
>>739381417Has there ever been a yabba post made about him? It would fit so well.
>>739379182I still love her
>>739381637Me too.
>>739380036NTA, but the game never treats her like she has flaws. She’s just pure and perfect, amazing at everything, and pretty much nobody has a bad word to say about her despite her actions. She’s the very definition of a Mary Sue.
>>739381747This.
>>739378062Kefka's strength has always been inconsistent , one minute he's losing to sabin and gau and the next he's one shotting guys like Leo and fucking 20 espers somehow
>>739379390There are some guys on here that WOULD still do her in Esper form.
>>739381806He was merely pretending.
>>739379396Timely reminder that they only exchanged like five lines before she decided to commit suicide over losing this “”””””love of her life”””””.
>>739381825>Implying you wouldn't
>>739381747
>>739381895>that they only exchanged like five lines before she decided to commit suicide over losing this “”””””love of her life”””””.Hahaha
Funny thread
>>739381972She is quite big for a chibi
>>739381825>google elsa babe>look through their dolls>find the one with the most alien/human like head and get the whitest skin possiblei mean, yeah
>>739381806This is one thing I think a remake could fix. Maybe Kefka was holding back?
>>739380345I really wonder what they were thinking making his ability, an ability that revolves around waiting during battles where enemies will keep attacking you while your characters just take it, all for mediocre effects. There that one bug with the skill that's funny, but otherwise why would you ever use Sword Tech?
So what is the best part about FF6?
>>739382193Kefka is a fun villain
>>739382125At least Setzer’s Slots are fun to mess around with. Prismatic Flash was a proto Geno Flash.
>>739382193Dancing Mad, Cyan, Figaro Bros
>>739381806Suplexes and Cat Scratch are just that powerful.
>>739381927Yeah, and then he immediately shuts up and never brings it up again. Talk about tough consequences.
>>739382340
>>739381806that part he was powered up by demigod statues
Is it just me or did Terra not feel as vengeful to the empire as she should considering that they literally killed her parents , forced her to use a slave crown for god knows how long and basically made her kill thousands of people to the point where she was stigmatized as a "witch"? It's insane how that never gets brought up at the empire's banquet or the game at any point at all
>>739376372Any other games where world ends in the middle of the game?
>>739382483Another thing to blame Celes for stealing her screen time
>remember I never finished this game because of this thread>open it>walk around some city>a frankenstien monster shows up>kills me>turn game offI have no idea what I'm even supposed to be doing anymore
>>739382483Terra's deal is she more or less has all the emotion wiped out of her by the Empire's actions. Even feelings like 'vengeance' I'm sure are alien to her at the start of the game. She has so little memories of her time spent as the Empire's weapon, of her parents or people, that it's difficult for her to work up animosity towards them.That's why her segment in WoR is her running the orphanage: Terra mentions throughout the WoB that she wants to feel the sorts of bonds and attachments the other PC's do and this is her path to doing so, is learning to care for all the children with no one to care for them in the WoR. It restores her humanity she'd lost to the Empire.
>>739382615Oh, you're in Zozo, that's still early game
>>739382615no cure for adhd im afraidbut you can probably download some mods that give you 3 stars for every fight with a loud, shiny "GOOD JOB!" to keep you going, maybe add some gambling mechanics too to hold your attention, or just use setzers slots, dice, etc
>>739382615>Gigas filters yet another anon again with magnitude 8 spam
>>739376654I didn't have a good experience when I realized WoR was about 'character short stories' after the airship instead of the traditional storyline.
>>739378734What does this mean?
>>739380453If we're being honest, Locke has the most backing to support him as the main character of FF6 over anyone else. He's the whole driving force for the plot until the WoR and getting him back in the WoR is meant to be a big deal and take the most amount of effort. Said dungeon you have to do to get him back he apparently also solo'd.
>>739382749>>739382680think hes talking about the esper faculty?breaking into the capitalwandering around the factoryelectric guy who changes weakness constantly>>739382926so you want like ... a hallway with dialog?if you cant have fun with 16 character arcs on snes equipment i really dont know what to tell you
>>739382430Remind me, what happens afterwards? Right, absolutely nothing. He never does anything, never blames her for anything beyond going “b-but muh empire ;_;” which everybody else ignores, and nobody in the party gives a shit about his pathetic objection. If anything, the rest of the party treats his reaction as if it were unfair to her.
>>739382615>Gigas filter-fucks another shitter and forces them to fuck off back to Fortnite
>>739376372>Celes gets forced down our throats in favor of other charactersMost people only like this character for her body/porn if we are being honest
>>739383108>he never does anything>he forgot about the Thamasa sequenceGo ahead you purposefully reductive (You) fishing faggot. Take a swing at explaining that away.
>>739383148if only modern game devs realized that flaws can be covered up with fanservice we the people can be happy, and the workers can have money
>>739383012Nah, thats Celes
>>739383331Shit bait
>>739383108If you bring him to the Magitech factory, when Kefka tries to pretend Celes is a double agent Cyan immediately starts going>I knew itmaybe you should try playing the game
>celes cant be the main character because...because she just cant ok!
>>739383148>Most people only like this character for her body/porn if we are being honestWomen's existential purpose is to be eye candy/sex objects
>>739382678>I want to form bonds with other people and take care for the poor orphan children. Isn’t love wonderful?>that is why I WON’T help you save the world and just let these precious children die a horrible death in two weeksThe sheer stupidity of Terra’s WOR story was something else.
>Appears>Does nothing but pressure a scared girl into "saving le world" by talking to some rabid bird encased in ice for 1000 years and get slapped by an octopus >Goes to Vector for the banquet>Disappears>Vanishes from the plot entirely>No one even mentions his existence despite being the leader of the fucking resistance ???
>>739383460He did his job, isn't that the most important part anon?
>>739377738They explicitly suspected he was lying to them but they needed to deal with the esper situation
>>739383067Anon, you must dislike stories in general. Scenes with characters talking to each other is the norm.
>>739383460He, Arvis and all but probably one Returner were slaughtered when the Emperor sprung his trap.
>>739382926Nigger you love retail WoW dungeons dont you? Literally hallways with dialog yelled at you while you kill trash mobs.
>>739383549You accuse someone of not liking stories after you complain about WoR having character stories?
>>739383108There was no personal benefit to Celes at all in choosing to leave the Empire, other than a cleaner conscience. They were by all accounts winning the war, her refusal to serve after Kefka's plot leads to her being imprisoned, tortured, and probably being executed if Locke had not found her in time. Even then she insists he leave her to her fate, but he saves her anyhow and then she chooses to put her life on the line protecting Narshe from her own people. Cyan serves to remind everyone she has sins to make up for, Celes herself is aware of it, but she earns her second chance through making the right choices even at risk to her own life.
>>739383448I know processing human emotions is difficult for autistic bug people like you, but I know you understand words: Terra finally found a place where she felt what she was talking to both Leo and Celes about. She found a place where she learned how to feel love. And she didnt come at first because after getting her shit rocked by Phunbaba she thought itd made her weak.
>>739383448There was a monster repeatedly on the orphanage's door-step, Terra's refusal to leave it undefended until that threat was dealt with is understandable.
>millenials pretend they aren't complete fucking losers who have accomplished nothing in life and still live with their parents episodeLMAOOO
>>739377148Brown
>>739383549stories are only fun oncereplaying games is fun more than onceff games have not always been about multiple niggas in a room chatting, most older games have you fucking around in the field collecting A to get to B for fight Cff6 is no exceptionplus the other anon is right, you bitching about not liking WoR stuff and turning around being a cunt is not right. or in your language, that is not ok.
>>739384035>stories are only fun onceEver voluntarily watch the same episode of a TV show or the same movie twice you bumbling moron?
>>739384035>stories are only fun onceGood stories are always fun
>>739383751This is about throwing out the (mostly) linear narrative set up WoB.You can't have that sort of thing when you can do things in whatever order you want.
>>739384112i leave south park on in the backround late at nightplease tell me you arnt one of those people with a worn out VHS of Roadhouse or something, right?>>739384116might be a memory issue, i tend to get bored during really long unskippable cutscenes because i know whats coming and sometimes i mouth along with whats being said until its overbut then you got me replaying ff6 to use Gau in ways i never have before and holy hot fuck im having fun againand when trying to rereading a book like silence of the lambs i remember what happens in the chapter as i get to it and meh out and put it down
>Why do people like this game again?Because of Reddit gushes over the train suplex and opera scenes which are like 0,01% of the game, who cares if the rest of the game sucks, this game is epic and it's part of my identity, I'm quirky!
>>739384286>south Park>haha pee pee poo poo butthole dick boobs puke stoner towel Glormph badYou must be 18 to post here. Retards are allowed though.
>>739378062Also, I always thought it was odd that his skill was available to us as a rage from Gau - that comes from the enemy Retainer.
>>739384126steven king did it in The Standmain story blahblahblahsuddenly ministories of randos and/or main characters before the main storyand back to main storyand i think the walking dead did this tooand game of thronesanbeing linear in WoB and then finding your friends again in WoR is not unique and not a downer, at this point i think this is just something to talk about to feel less alone
>>739384343Kekfa poisoning Doma, Kefka winning, Celes suicide, Coin flip scene, Shadow
>>739376372It’s the best FF, honest opinion
>>739384343or we are having the same discussion again and again and again and just going through the motions of life with the same topics, same fights, same arguments just to be able to get through the daythanks for lifting my spirits, anonwelp time to use my posting cooldown on the blue archive loli thread. asuna is hot no matter what her chest size is
>>739384343/v/ used to love it for the same shit, you'd know that if you weren't a zoomer newfag
>>739382125Some anon said that he pairs well with Sabin, and I've been playing without magicite (so no non-level up magic outside of skillsets with multiple options like lore, rage, etc. (I did fuck up with force armor/shield though, but I never use shell anyways) and I don't even get bonus stats from level ups)SwdTech Lv1's attack skill is literally a better basic attack unless you give him genji glove (better used on other characters), and arguably not even then since it pierces defense and is unblockable (even if it only uses the first weapon). Lv4's 4-hit attack pairs well with Sabin's fire dance/rising phoenix, since you have roughly just about enough time to fill it as the animation plays and it is useful as an early pseudo-access to x-fight/rapid-fire and it is also unblockable even if it doesn't pierce defense like the Lv7 version does. Past that, though, maayybe you can get Lv7's with some of strago's later lore animations being a bit long.Lv8's instant death vs all is a fucking joke though, any other instant death source is better, and it is worthless if the enemy is immune to it as it causes no damage. Lv5 doesn't heal enough HP nor MP to justify its existence. In theory, LV6's slash all+Stop could be decent if it didn't take so long to charge, but it also uses Cyan's naturally-low magic stat (being unblockable and not splitting damage is nice though) and Stop isn't guaranteed plus if you're already there and capable, might as well just go for Lv7. I don't use Lv3's "half enemy HP+sap" but failing against targets immune to death is unfortunate. I haven't really used Lv2's counter or the Psycho Cyan bug, but I know of it's infamy. Even without the bug, it does have some value if Cyan has the CoverLowHPAllies relic equipped, but normally it relies on enemies actually hitting him and even then it can't be targetted, even if it can hit for higher damage than fang at first. Heard it got nerfed in pixel remaster.Still, in a normal game run? Fuck Bushido.
>>739384343Damn this post really made some people seethe huh
>>739384595Based
>>739384595>having the same discussion again and again and againI hate doing this. It makes me feel like I'm in an insane asylum
>>739384458Star Ocean 2 is another game where the characters are optional.You don't get scenes where they talk back and forth with each other because they're all optional except the 2 protagonists.
>>739384839>It makes me feel like I'm in an insane asylumThis is a bad thing?
>>739384995I love SO2
>>739383012Nobody wants to admit it, but by definition of "protagonist", Edgar is the actual protagonist of FF6 since he's the one actually getting shit done. Even before the story starts, he's already planning on how to take down the empire. Edgar is the one gathering support from Narshe and the Returners. Edgar finds out the Empire is full of shit after the espers go berserk on Vector. Edgar is the one trying to save Figaro Castle so he can get the get the band back together. Terra is a plot device who barely does she on her own. Locke and Celes are spotlight characters, but so are Vaan and Penelo in FF12, and neither of them are the real protagonists. I don't know if Edgar could have convinced Setzer to get back in the air without Celes, but at that point, she's a different character and then after getting in the air, she, along with everyone else, immediately loses all character as the mysterious voiced text box replaces everybody outside of very small snippets of interactions, which aren't even mandatory if you're crazy enougj to take on Kefka with just 3 people (+Sabin if you're not a total sick fuck).
>>739385306By this logic, Leia is the main character of Star Wars rather than Luke, given she's the one actively plotting to take down the Empire and Luke just gets swept up in it
>>739380494Materia is ff6's relics+FF5's job leveling and ability slots, retard, especially when you get into things like linked support materia letting you do wacky shit like added-effect and steal-as-well. Magicite is just a shittier prototype version of what summon materia became, but it has the bonus of teaching spells permanently.
>>739385653>hurr durr the thing that came first was just a prototypeNo shit fuckstick thats how that works.
>>739376901IV is almost VIII tier in its deteriorating schizophrenia. I always forget that the big bad's evil plan is some retarded giant robot
>>739381191Not him, but the factory also has fire, ice, and lightning swords, along with break blade (and bloodsword/drainer if you are lucky). I'm not saying it's fun (or smart) to do it this way, but the option is there. One of the few times you aren't at a disadvantage for not using magic if you are thorough with chest-searching but still want to brute-force fighting. Sabin also likely has his fire blitz by this point as well, which is nice for cleaning up random battles (if you're not crazy enough to leave him in Zozo, because why would you?).
5 is the best classic ff.4 is the next best but there are those annoying fake deaths.I also like 1 PSP. Just think it's fine for what it is and I like the extras.
>>739385945>giant robot>retardedWhy are you gay?
>>7393864695 is underrated
>>739378689>oversimplified trash shat out because japan at the time thought gaijin were retarded (same reason they shat out a doki doki panic reskin instead of the real smb2) >only redeeming factor is the music
>>739387169We're talking about VI not IV
>>739381403I think it was Edward and the twins, but yeah. Ed's augments, bardsong, salve, and hide (which lets edge use throw while hidden (and rosa can use aim, but that's a waste of a white mage)), while kinda useful, pale compared to Dualcast (even if summons can't be dualcast, having double usage of white magic or black magic kicks ass) and Twincast (especially the two best twincast spells: one that double's the party's max HP and the other is literally Ultima). You'd only be able to take full advantage of salve and hide in new game plus when Edge and Kain don't want to attack for some reason. I can't imagine using bardsong past the early stages of the game (maybe hastemarch, but that's it).
>>739382441He did that in Thamasa before he and the emperor even got to the magic god statues
>>739387238Read the reply chain you absolute mongoloid.
>>739383867>>739383903She only jobbed to phunbaba after taking care of the orphans because "uhhh muh love I don't wanna fight no more", not the other way around. Even though she can solo the fucking guy during the actual fight right before her re-recruitment. It's dogshit writing, just like Krillin getting injured from gunshots in dragon ball super.
>>739382749>>739383131Not him, but he never even used it on me once in Zozo last time I played, even though I recall him doing it when I played a different version. Does he have some sort of flag or trigger?
>>739385393I'd say that's dual protagonist then. Leia handles the political shit while Luke directly goes after the assholes mucking shit up. It's like Delita and Ramza. It's like pottery, it rimes.
>>739383708This, or he fell into one of kefka's laser holes.
>>739386585Anon, please. The giant of babil wishes he looked that cool and didn't look fucking retarded.
>>739376889Because the game is shit after the floating continent like anon said.
/v/ will pull out every cope they have to try and deny that Celes is the closest to being the main character just because she's a woman
>>739388035His script is weighted against it in favor of attacking because he has higher than normal attack power for Zozo.
>739387780>autistic bug creature cant properly process or comprehend emotions>this angers and terrifies him so he turns to being purposefully and retardedly reductive for (You)s(You) withheld. Be better.
>>739388491But Tina, who is also a woman, is the main character.
>>739388491thats just the nuage way of thinking, its because there was multiple main characters during the WoB and no real main charcter in WoRbelieve me, watch the game more closely. after the second airship all, if not most characters will animate and say something, without their name in the chatbox indicating anyone can do it. which adds up to her not being the sole main character
Gau was the main character in my playthrough
anyone else here stay on the floating island and steak enough genji gloves for mostly everyone?
>>739381806The intent with Leo is that he drops his guard due to the emperor shapeshift and gets cutscene shivved. Kefka has also collected the magicite of the stranded cave dwellers by that point so theoretically he might be a bit powered up
>>739388757Never had the luck and the grind trivialized early WoR
the contrarianism around ff6 is from eternally asspained ff7 fans sick of hearing how overrated their game is and how ff6 is the best ff
>>739388878i did that the first time too, i run from everything now
What did Square mean by this?
>>739376372I like the second half of the game because it humanizes the characters. Kefka won, so everyone packs it up and do their own thing, move on with their lives rather than being autistic motherfuckers that only live to dethrone/stop/kill the big evil guy like in every other game. You even have Terra who loses her will to fight, even if temporarily as it's a game after all so it's perceived as lame to permanently lose a playable character for reason like that.
>>7393864691 GBA/PSP is cool because it just let the devs go full fucking ham and throw in all sorts of wacky shit, regardless of the retarded mentality of "the original vision and intended balance". Fuck that. If you want to play with something as close to the original without all the shitty bugs, you have Origins on PS1. It was a celebration of the FF series and bringing it more into the modern era with actual MP instead of vancian charges and actually letting classes like Thief/Ninja and Black Mage/Wizard have fun by giving them more tools and options to play with. Even cooler was fighting bosses from other games modified for FF1 rules, and getting rewarded for it. Would have been better if Thief could actually steal this time around, but still. Even if you didn't want to break the game in half with the extra dungeons and gear, you at least had better item options now than just potions and status heal items. Even Pixel Remaster gave in a bit by actually including some of those in it, because even they had to admit that having to carry around 99 potions to heal pittances of HP each time isn't fun.Hell, even if I wanted something that wasn't Origins but still truer to the original while being better refined, I can play Final Fantasy Renaissance and stick to the original 6 classes if I want to. There's even a secondary mode that's identical to 1NES just with bug fixes and widescreen.
>>739389157>it humanizes the charactersSabin literally holds up a mansion from falling for up to 10 minutes.
>>739386676>>739386469People often hate on FFV just because its story is more akin to something like a dragon quest where its just kinda silly and generic, but that is kinda why I like it
>>739389042You must've noticed Vector is basically fascist Italy and the talk of genetics and Übermench with Gestahl?
Obviously General Leo is the true main character of this game.
>>739377649He didn't respond, eh? How long did you sit here hitting refresh, an hour?damn, sorry anon.
>>739388757I got them by accident by just having locke always steal, but the sad truth is that most characters won't even take advantage of having two weapons. Not even because magic is king (lets ignore it for a sec), but because of some other factors. If you want Edgar & Mog to become Multi-Jump Dragoons, you need both relic slots dedicated for that (Why the fuck can't dragon horn just have jump built-in?). Even if Ed doesn't go that route, Drill is arguably better for consistent damage since it pierces enemy defense, and while two holy spears (& potentially two ragnaroks) are tempting for him & Mog, they'd want to have raised the magic stat to make it worth it. The physically-weaker characters are gonna want shields to defend against both magical & physical attacks more consistently; and, sadly x-fight doesn't trigger most added effects of weapons, so even if you had two holy rods equipped, strago, relm, and/or gogo would still be better off not taking damage than swinging mediocre physical damage twice & hoping that holy procs each time. Cyan might be alright with genji glove if you don't have a consistent way to charge up quadra-slam, since he's pretty sturdy. Locke is a good choice since otherwise he's just stealing. Setzer is good if he gets Fixed Dice early (easy with early Mog recruit) as that ignores damage reduction until Pixel Remaster. Sabin isn't a bad if you wanna be lazy with blitz but having 2 weapons sadly won't make them stronger. Gau and Umaro can't equip two weapons (Gau only can in SNES). Shadow's not a bad option for 2 thief knives before you re-get Locke and it is nice when his weapons eventually get added effects like stop and insta-death chances, but having a shield while you throw is probably better once you have money to burn. Terra and Celes both benefit from having 2 weapons for random fights, and it is good against magic resistant foes. SNES genji is good for 2 Enhancers early on since MagDodge% is bugged to be both phys & mag dodge%.
>>739376654Facts. FFVI could have been so much better instead it ended up a dry run for FFVII.
>>739378062Leo would have been a pretty cool character to have actually. Shock is an attack with a spell power of 128, which is higher than everything barring Ultima and Meltdown. So he'd actually scale well into the endgame unlike a lot of other unique abilities.
>>739376372It's hands down the best game in the FF series and one of the best games in its genre.If you play a shitload of JRPG's you'll realise this pretty quickly.
FF6 started getting overrated as backlash against Advent Children. Before that, nobody ever mentioned this game because it's completely forgettable in every sense and was overshadowed by CT a year later.
>>739380494So yeah, FF7 is a more polished and better version of 6 we agree
>>739389157Yeah, and guess what happens as you gather up more and more people? They gain the will to fight. The sidequests are great in the world of ruin, but there is no longer any kind of party dynamic or any chemistry at all until the end credits. They couldn't even be assed to give Celes a line or two of dialogue with Locke even though he was basically her reason to keep living. For every humanizing aspect contained within the sidequests there are two steps back with the complete and total lack of character interaction
>>739391081100%
>>739390897>Sabin isn't a bad if you wanna be lazy with blitz but having 2 weapons sadly won't make them stronger.Sorry, I meant won't make Blitz stronger. They do if you had 2 tiger claws since those raise Sabin's stats, including the Magic stat, which is weirdly what most of Sabin's blitz skills use for damage, even his last one, which seems physical in nature.
>>739390267Nah, the real main character is ?????????, love that guy.
>>739391014Not evn close. Even some of the weaker SaGa games dab on FF6. That's not even getting into other series like Shadow Hearts, Metal Max, or other weird one-off games and independent projects.
>the seventards are showing upI aint about to listen to shit about shit from a playerbase dumb enough to pay for the same game 18 fucking times.
>>739378195Japanese media had interesting concepts even when the actual writing was, and continues to be, weak. These days they don't even have interesting concepts anymore.
>>739391171What was his endgame?
>>739379174Calling the cardboard cutouts that pass for characters in FF6 a "cast" is a stretch.
>>739377738I dont really mind the emperor bit but every single character just kinda allows Kefka to be around for ?????? reasons??
>>739390419Honestly, I am pretty broken up about it I kept it on refresh while I got coffee and browsed other threads. I hope anon is ok
>>739391402Terra, Locke, Sabin, Edgar, Cyan, CelesSetzer and Shadow are well written. Mog, Relm, Strago, Umaro and Gogo are cardboard.
>>739391524Every toolbox needs a hammer and Leo is a scalpel.
>>739390897elemental swords are king. terra, locke, celes, edgar just fucking dominate with swords you can find for like 5k in the worsabins fire claws hit so many weaknesses in wor its just fucking insanerods are the same deal if said weakness is in playeven that wind katana has so little resistances for cyan. maybe gau.magic can be king but there are alternatives
>>739376372>TFW Kefka only has personality because of the localization>in the original version he's just a generic bad guy
>>739391353Hang out with the boys
>Only high ranking personnel in the empire that didn't get infused magitek treatment>Gets on by pure skill and technique>Strong enough to level an entire area just by swinging his sword upwards>It's almost as strong as fucking ultima>Honorable enough to see the error in the empire's ways but still chooses to follow them because he's loyal >Father figure to terraKino character , if a remake ever happens I want Leo's last stand to be comparable to Zack's , it's so fucked that Leo got instagibbed by Kefka just like that
>>739393415>it's so fucked that Leo got instagibbed by Kefka just like thatThat's why he got killed like that it's meant to be a shock
>>739392208The entire sunken castle that Odin is getting stoned off his ass in has enemies that take little to jack shit for damage from wind, with some even healing from it. Pissed me the fuck off because I had JUST gotten all the shit I needed for Wind God Gau (outside of x-fight, but even the weaker genji glove variant I tried was damn strong). All that setup only to get cucked for damage in the 60~80 range compared to the 1000~4000+ range outside of there, sometimes even going as high as 9999 per hit.
>>739393034Original > "son of a submariner!"
>>739393034What is this myth? The laugh wasnt suddenly added in. The soliders werent edited to clean the sand off of his shoes. His sprites and his actions werent suddenly changed
>>739393034Woolsey won.
>no clear protagonist>celes is focused onhmm
>>739379025what? nibelheim, gold saucer, cosmo canyon, fighting ultima, aeriths death just to name a few key moments.Its like you never played it.WoR also doesnt follow the classic Final Fantasy formula at all.Have you ever actually played a FF game?
>>739376372It was a great game. You are just a shitter.
>>739393034>joker ripoff>"personality"Kefkas remembered for what he accomplished, not for how he acted when he did it
>>739393981Don't bother he's clearly baiting
>>739394031>Killing Leo is what matters>Who cares if he is bland in the original!
>>739378062nah. npc design 100%.
>>739394129>Who cares if he is bland in the original!I didn't say that. Who are you quoting?
>>739394182You focused on his actions only and didn't bother to defend his original "personality" It's okay anon you are a shiteater
>>739393874yup and after the wor airship she becomes optional and a side character like everyone else
>>739378956if there wasnt a world of ruin the game probably wouldnt have ended on the floating continent.
>>739394247If I don't defend something then that implies that I don't like or agree with it doesn't it retard
>>739394412I accept your concession faggot.
>>739393487The real shock was how fucking lazy the animation was. He literally jumps on him a few times. No weapon, no magic spell, no fancy special effects, just a lazy ass drag and drop and somehow Leo can't even stand up. Get the fuck out of here. Everything related to kefka is dogshit, and as soon as Leo heard that Kefka poisoned doma despite telling him not to, he should have rushed back and sliced his head off right there, especially since this is before he had any magicite to boost him up. I'd rather Gestahl had been the final boss because at least he had motivations and reasons to want all that power. Kefka accidentally lucked into it on a whim and doesn't even know what to do with it all outside of blasting some stuff with lasers and then doing fuck all past that point until the party actually shows up behind his desk. I had an idea that could have been an interesting gimmick. After you get the airship, Kefka would get bored and actually blast a random place each time as soon as you recruit a new member after getting the airship. It might be a dungeon, a town, a facility like the opera house or coliseum, some significant landmass like the Dinosaur Forest, or some place of lesser importance like the house of Duncan or Gau's Dad. Point being, that shit is gone for the rest of your game. Including any ally and/or treasure that was in that place hit. Maybe you can savescum it to where nothing of significant value is lost, but the point is to actually lose something everytime you recruit more members and feel that sting when you can't access it any longer in that file. That way, you drive the player to further want to kill Kefka and it makes him more of a threat. As is, he's just being a big fat retard, sitting on a throne and doing nothing until you take him on.
>>739376654>>739376372Why do alphas even make posts? Shouldnt you idiots all be on tiktok?
>>739379972FF3 is not flawed in execution at all.
>>739394151No other NPC is black though?
>>739394501Shut up Zoomer.
>>739376729Spbp
>>739376372>No clear Protagonist>Celes gets forced down our throatsYou're making conflicting statements anon.
>>739394514It very much is. I already wrote a wall of text on it before. It is definitely ambitous, and one of the more content-packed games on the NES, but it is flawed in execution. Quantity over quality.
>>739385306he's just competent.
>>739393034He’s projecting you
>>739393034I didnt play the dogshit raped woolsey translation and his personality was just fine.
>>739377509>zoomers are 30I'm the oldest a zoomer can be and I'm not even 29 yet.
>>739394519neither is he.and the party gets a black character anyways.
>>739394637nah
>>739391136>>739391081>revisionist FF7 fags
>>739395192That's how it was newfag don't act you were there.
>>739376372>>No clear Protagonistdo you need one? I'm so fed up with overpowered Naruto-style protagonists saving the day whenever there is even remotely an opportunity to do so. it was so refreshing to see Terra not dominating screentime whenever it needed to be. other characters had much more time to shine. much more to say. and things happened even during the absence of the protagonist (which is REALLY REALLY RARE in storytelling). FF6 IS a masterpiece for nailing this type of writing in the 90's
where did he steal this from? it sounds familiarhttps://youtu.be/oPDbe9YI7-M
>>739394921He's white, look at him. Even if you say he's not, he's honorary white.>spends time indoors all day and night, only rarely peeks out his window, probably to take a piss or shit, but gets weirded out when people spy on him>chills in his room full of weird collectibles>doesn't let anyone touch his stuff or change his style, but he will gladly use trinkets they loan him, and he will still hold onto them even when there's an order for everybody to take everything off>only other friend is an orphaned white guy who is kinda mid at dancing when he's not in the zone, oh and said friend has a dead girlfriend/wifeThat's white to me.
>>739395314NTA, but I remember the video saying FFVII was teenage and the other flash animation video saying Yuffie wasn't a real Ninja, because she was loud, while praising Edge and Shadow to high heavens. This is coming from a VII firster, so it's from that side of the aisle perspective. The rivalry between VII and VI happened way before AC.
>it's a /v/ learns what an ensemble cast is episode
>>739382483Some people are just more resilient than others. Terra was saved from the crown, immediately thrown into the resistance which was immediately busy with a world war and stopping a world-ending threat, never given the time to figure who she was or what she wanted. Then WOR happens and she's tied up saving a bunch of children.Arguably you can see her vengefulness when she freaks out and flies to Zozo as an esper, when she calms down and recovers her sanity, she is tired and spent and caught back up in the resistance plot.
>>739381027in japanese his name is 'Kaien', which is a perfectly fine name and in no way should have been localized to fucking Cyan, a real word pronounced completely differently.
>>739376372>>No clear ProtagonistHow is Terra not the main protagonist? Get real.
>>739396015didn't know that type of writing had a name. thanks
>>739396151>How is Terra not the main protagonist? Get real.Are we really acting like Celes didn't steal the show?
>>739396151Because she's in a coma for half of the first Act, and only re-recruited halfway through the second ActWhat main character is absent for half the story?None of the PC's in FF6 have a claim to being the 'main protagonist'. Some have a stronger case than others but every one of them is absent for too much of the story in different parts to make that claim.
>>739396232No, she really did not. By the time she takes over, there's barely any plot remaining.
>>739396312You clearly haven't played it recently
>>739396138His Japanese name is written in katakana as "Kaien" (カイエン) but his name in the Japanese credits is written in English as Cayenne. In the English version, Cayenne doesnt fit in the amount of soace available for character names so it was written as Cyan PROBABLY meant to be pronounced as Cayenne which yeah, is retarded.
People say Celes doesn't deserve a second chance, but we got people defending Beatrix from FF9, aka "I murdered everyone, and fought the party in 3 unwinnable battles, and didn't even have to apologize." At least Celes gets humbled.
>>739396015Square has attempted an ensemble cast in many games and the only successful ones they've ever made were Octopath Traveler and Before Crisis Final Fantasy VII. The concept is inherently flawed and someone will always be more central to the plot, backstory, action and themes than others, making them the protagonist. Even in the mythical case, where every character is equally important and in differing unique ways at that, the protagonist will then still be the character you controlled first. The two above succeed, because you can choose your protagonist at the start and after that the story makes them central and the most important of the cast. VII's protagonist is Terra.
>>739396287>Because she's in a coma for half of the first ActYes, she motivates the rest of the cast. That's what a protagonist does. She's the only character that's directly related to espers which are the main macguffins for most of the story.
>>739396509Celes gets the shit beaten out of her the first time you meet her then later is driven to (attempt) suicide unless you get really lucky or are following a guide. I dont know if that makes her "redeemable" but she definitely suffered
>>739396578>the only successful ones they've ever made were Octopath TravelerNot only are you wrong but you're also retarded
>>739396578>VII's protagonist is TerraNo, it's Cloud actually.
>>739396581>Yes, she motivates the rest of the cast. That's what a protagonist doesLiterally not what protagonist means.
>>739376372HD-2D remake when?
>>739379025>Everyone remembers Midgard and the Sephiroth right, but hardly anything else in between.how about you actually play the game, you blithering idiot?
>>739396509I'm one of those people. I think Celes and Cecil don't deserve a second chance or redemption. However I forgave Beatrix, because she was one of the two characters with a development arc in IX, that didn't happen in the ending sequence or just before it.
It was self defense the mages tried to stop cecilAlso not handing over their crystal was a violent act
>>739376654fippy bippy
>>739396782Terra is "absent" from the story in the way Homer Simpson writes Poochie. All the other characters have to ask "what about Terra?"
>>739396509>but we got people defending Beatrix from FF9, aka "I murdered everyone, and fought the party in 3 unwinnable battles, and didn't even have to apologize."Nah fuck that bitch too, Steiner had no reason not to murder her.
>>739396872Hopefully never.
>>739396697Okay maybe it doesn't quite work if you pick H'aanit or want to, like me, choose to think the first "O" in Octopath, who is Ophilia, is more official protagonist, but the game itself doesn't enforce that.>>739396715Sorry, I was distracted by what I wrote before about VII.
>>739397340So she's a Poochie and not the protag.
>>739376654>>739376654Death train is the best but world of ruin is the second best. FF5 is the one that falls off a cliff when you to the middle world.
>>739397528I just discovered RE came out on the GB colour.
>>739397716>Battle on the Big Bridge>easy Castle Bal grinding>falls off a cliffYou are a retard.
>>739397716A cliff would imply FFV was ever on a mountain to begin with. FFV has never built up any kind of expectations and from basically the word go it was supposed to be a simplistic adventure akin to FFI
>>739398128Actually Sakaguchi drafted it as a very serous fantasy story, then Kitase got his little retard hands on it
>>739397564>the first "O" in Octopath, who is OphiliaMade me check and only just learned the characters first initials spell out octopath in both games. Still think the first game is extremely boring but that's a neat detail.
>>739376654Ff7 has the best beginning. Ff6 has the best ending.
>>739398327I like IV's opening better
Is the Pixel Remaster free of Woolsey's retard translation
>>739398206We arent talking about hypothetical products, we are talking about what was delivered. I think FFV is fine as is personally im just not sure why people are pretending that there is a cliff to fall off. There isnt a massive amount of buildup or expectation
>>739398327VII indeed has the best beginning. VI has the second best ending after IX. X has the worst beginning. II has the worst ending.
>>739398726You're talking about what the game was "supposed to be." It was "supposed to be" a serious game until someone let Kitase have power to spite Sakaguchi
>>739398785IX's ending, like everything else about it, is extremely overrated.
>>739398327The original FF7 has the best ending in the entire series and maybe even for a video game period. It's satisfying but still ambiguous to the fate of all the main characters besides the stupid red cat. Advent Children shat all over it and here we are today.
>>739398785IX has the worst ending if you're not a faggy theater kid.
>>739398939>The original FF7 has the best ending in the entire series and maybe even for a video game period. hahahahah retarded AND gay, sad!
>>739399037>a faggy theater kid.The best description of IX fans that I've ever seen
>>739376372>>No clear ProtagonistThis is good, you're just a retard.>>Celes gets forced down our throats in favor of other charactersNo she doesn't. She's just the starting character in WoR.>>Second half of the game feels like an opitonal questNot at all. It's the best part of the game. A JRPG being open like that is refreshing and if more did that they'd be better off.
>>739381825>Some She along many other blatantly naked "monster" girls of the 90s ruined a generation.
>>739398705Pls
How do you pronounce Celes?Cell-es, Seals, Cells, or something else?
>>739376654The problem I have with FF6 is that its pacing gets interrupted to many times. Three times I stopped giving a shit when I hit the rapids.Music is incredible. Some of the best 16bit music I've ever heard.
>>739399239The first one. Her name in Japanese though is セリス (Selis)
>>739399239SAY-GAH
>>739399239First half of "celestial."
>>739399293>The problem I have with FF6 is that its pacing gets interrupted to many times. Three times I stopped giving a shit when I hit the rapids.It's weird. The WoB pacing overall feels way too fast since its introducing as many party characters as it can while not taking the time to develop or establish most of them, then you have shit like the rapids, protecting the esper in Narshe, or the Veldt where suddenly it feels like the brakes were slammed in a really annoying way
>>739378062Kefka is the Joker before the Joker was widely identified as an entity of societal chaos. Fucking ballsy move to have him win in the end, and this is a game from the 90s.
>>739399490Stupid zoomer retard larping as a millennial. Batman the Animated series was 1992. FFVI was 1994
>>739391081>FF6 started getting overrated as backlash against Advent Children. Before that, nobody ever mentioned this game because it's completely forgettable in every sense and was overshadowed by CT a year later.The reason no one heard of it is because they literally didn't. Here in the UK, our first FF game was FF7.
>>739398327FF6's final section is what turns this game from a 7/10 game to a 9/10 game , genuine kino of the highest order , only thing that comes even remotely close is 9's ending and 7's ending is way too vague and creepy to be the defacto best one
>>739399640>Here in the UKNo one gives a fuck about the UK
>>739399737Someone obviously does...
>>739397868Why are ESLs like this?
>>739399603I'm not a zoomer, I'm Gen X. I know what I'm fucking talking about because I lived through it when Tim Burton's Batman changed the wider public's perception of the IP. Before hand, it was seen as a tacky TV show. The public at large did not take the Joker as anything more than your run of the mill mad cartoon villain. The wider perception of him being an agent of societal chaos only took root after Heath Ledger's performance in the Dark Knight, so quit this nonsense that I know fuck all, zoomie.
>>739399640>Here in the UKWhy do brits think people still care about them or what they think like its still the 19th century?
>>739400110Why are storyfaggots like this?
>>739400117>I'm not a zoomer, I'm Gen X.No you're not.
GBA FFVIBetter translation but worse musicHmm worth it
>>739399842Hell, Purgatory and Heaven followed by a crass Lightbringer Lucifer/God with a boner.
I wonder if this game would've sold more globally if they just used OP's pic for the game cover instead of the fuckass moogle present in all the adverts for this game
>>739400209worse mode7 effects too, not worth it
>>739398128I hate FFV, and its obnoxious fan base, and the even more obnoxious zoom zoom revival, but just like the other toxic fan base of VIII, that first part was peak final fantasy. Its hard to know whats better, Disk 1 of FF8 or first world of FF5.
>>739400228>Lucifer/God with a bonerA demiurge.
>>739400247But the SNES script is REALLY bad
>>739400391you can figure out what the game is about with the script being perfect
>>739400391Seriously, how so?
>>739383541and they left the majority of their squad behind just in case. How did any of these retards miss this? Its as if they skipped the whole dinner event.
>>739400432So? It reads like shit in English on the SNES. Its an inferior experience, the dialogue is stilted, awkward, and you can tell they didn't give Woolsey the context for a lot of lines of dialogue so sometimes a character will suddenly say something that makes no sense.
>>739376654I miss the FF6 vs FF7 days
>>739400496https://kwhazit.ucoz.net/trans/ff6/01intro.htmlI dont like 100% of the way this guy decided to translate the game either but it reads much better than Woolsey's, which is also included
>>739376372Because it's kino when I'm allowed to skip everything. Yet I never do.
>>739400552not my problem
>>739400391The sound/graphic quality and screen size on the GBA is REALLY bad
>>739396509Nobody 'deserves' a second chance, what matters is what you do with the one you're given
>>739400670OK? None of this is about you>>739400597Lmfao yeah the SNES translation fucking sucks
>>739400391>needing any translation at alllol
>>739401662I don't, actually. It's easy to read in Japanese
>>739397793I think it got cancelled and only an unfinished build was leaked.
>>739401747So just play the Super Famicom version, you fucking retard. Oh wait, you're a brown liar who can't keep his narrative straight.
>>739401828Holy shit you're retarded. Just because I can read the Japanese version it doesn't mean i can't give my opinion on the English translation
>>739401987Or you're just a redditor zoomer dipshit who grew up with the GBA version. You wouldn't talk up an English translation period if you were a JOP elitist.
>>739402107Now you're just not making sense
>>739402243You're far browner than I originally thought.
Word of Ruin has your party consist of Celes, Edgar, and Setzer. the fourth member can be anyone (Relm), but the choice is up to you based on how they feel about the world. >Locke is obsessed about his dead girlfriend>Cyan writing letters to a woman in regards to her deceased boyfriend,>Gau is fucking around at the Veldt and he would be very useful for an LLG run thanks to powerful enemies he can Leap to.>Relm is painting>Mog thought you all died.>Sabin is at someone's house to save a kid.>Strago is stuck in a cult>Shadow dies no matter which route you chose and he's at the Coliseum.>Umaro..............doing Yeti things.>Gogo is in the belly of Zone Eater>Terra is busy babysitting and about to get fucked by shotas.
>>739394921>no playable leo>no playable cid>not even a playable sigfried>you'll just get a big fucking ape that you can't control , is slow as shit and is the worst character in the game have fun :)
>>739402496Darn, I really wanted to play as the nigger zogbot or the banana condom man.
>>739402496>>739402606gauntlet(two handed) + umaro throwing relic thing whos name i forgot = ok umaro. can also haste shoes if you want instead of the throwing one
>>739399293its genuinely not very enjoyable in the first half.you get jerked around a lot and none of the characters are fun to use except sabin.espers get introduced way too late to allow any sort of customization and they are their own can of worms anyways.the actual meaningful items that allow for alternate builds also come way way too late.
>>739402685Yeah but , all that time you could just be bench pressing something with sabin instead and you'd get the same effect , doesn't help that umaro is in one of the trolliest dungeons in the game filled with stupid shit like monster in a box tonberries and status spamming enemies
That's it, I'm replaying the game.
>>739402496yeti is based and rapes the gay magic tower.
>>739402910you inherently suck for liking things i dont like i hate you and wish your life to endboo
>>739402984so does any physical attacker who has berserk cast on themyou can also cast berserk on the enemies
>>739403041You could just emulate the superior SNES version, but you want to be a contrarian dipshit.
>>739403097>>739402984thats also how you steal from the white dragon. genji+offering+thief knives+berserk. reset if no white lance
>>739403189SNES translation sucks ass
>>739403189you disagreed with meyou suck too and i wish for your life to end in a satirical way.
>>739403281Are you ok?
>>739403235>Cultist tower has no save points though , that's going to be really tedious for just one item
>>739403351mogs no battle trinket thing
>>739402474>Shadow dies no matter which route you choseUh oh bros he doesn't know
the overworld feels empty in world of balance unlike the world of ruin. and why is FFVI the only time the overworld has a different scenery in the sky. i thought the water was blood, but it was red due to the morning sun.
>>739403403It's not the morning sun the sky is filled with ash and debris
>>739403341noim starting to slowly realize that AI has been a thing for decades now and we the common folk are now just getting the non-military versions and most replies, fights and porn shit are just AIs on a loop keeping us placated until its war time and all that subliminal messaging activates when mental stimulation slows down.there are 5 final fantasy 6 threads up, this isnt even the most popular one
>>739403397Wait that's a thing that exists? Wtf where do I find it?
>>739403540its in the spot where mog was in the moogle cave in WoR, no chest, ground spawn. mog only trinket.theres another one that anyone can use but its -50% chance to get in a fight
>>739403539That's nice, mask-dropping bot-kun.
>>739403464but the end of the game has the world being restoredanybody seen this hack?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqwJHuLe7lQ
>>739398327Of those 2? Sure. Of the entire series? No. FFX alone has a better ending than either and the Zanarkand sequence is every bit as good as the bombing mission.
>>739403593>Ground spawnTypical , yeah thanks for that shit anon , it'll make the final dungeon more bearable for me going in and out
>>739403401He dies when Kefka's tower collapses during the ending, anon.>>739403540Behind where he's standing in the cave in Narshe.
doing a LLG on FFVI is the hardest challenge i've endured. enemies will snipe you no matter how fast your are and the RNG can be a bitch just like the boss when heading towards The Floating Continent.
>>739376372>Game bad because good thingsI always wonder how long it Will take this board to argue that Superman 64 is a must play game
>>739402474>Mog thought you all died.WRONG. Mog didn't even know I existed because I let his ass fall in WoB so I could get the gold hairpin. Fuck Water Rondo.
>>739404965I would argue that it is a must play game, only so you yourself can experience utter devastation at how bad a game can truly be. I remember playing it at my cousins house at Christmas and wow it sucked hard. Felt bad they got it as a gift.
>>739387238MQ and 4 are great when you don't have a turbo weeb faggot bitchin in ya ear about how nasty they are
>>739405478also the moogles are blind in FFVI since they live in caves.
>>739406184I like 4 though. What i meant is that Square made the US version easier
>>739376372zoomzoom
>>739382193the music, unironically
>>739383936what causes one to post like this
>>739397203Cecil does deserve his second chance because the FIRST time he's given an evil order which is kill innocents as soon as he finished carrying it out he immediately questions his king and gets him demoted which quickly leads to Cecil outright abandoning his corrupt kingdom. The rest of the game is Cecil making amends. Celes on the other hand has been working for an evil empire that's been evil as long as that old fart emperor has been around and you got to remember that the empire was evil even BEFORE they captured baby Terra during flashbacks. Celes should know she's working for a corrupt empire, there is no mistaking it. And yet she spends a chunk of years in active service as a general following evil orders negatively impacting the whole world. Celes is shit and the only reason she's forgiven in the story is because she's a chick. If she were a male character he would get crucified by everyone.That said Beatrix should have been killed because not only does she she remain on the side of the evil kingdom she works for but she NEVER truly takes action to make amends. Maybe it was too late for Beatrix to seek forgiveness towards Burmecians but not for the people of Lindblum whom her armies bombed and occupied. And don't bother using the excuse of "It was the black mages the human soldiers of Alexandria are innocent" because fuck YOU. Beatrix is shit. And how she gets excused while making no effort to do anything right makes her worse than Celes. I honestly can't stand replaying these games because I can't stand these Mary Sues who get excused ONLY because they got pussies.Terra we can ignore since she was blatantly mind control with evil magic by the Emperor.
>>739400117>I'm Gen Xt. Millennial born 1985
>>739407429Gwo are you ok?
>>739407216>yet she spends a chunk of years in active service as a general following evil ordersCeles is 18 years old when FF6 takes place. Even by this series standards it is unlikely she's been in service as a General for very long. Before that, keep in mind that she was born, raised, and bred to be a Magitek Knight in service to her country: she might not have been outright mind-controlled like Terra but she would certainly have been subject to almost two decades worth of propaganda and conditioning growing up instilling their imperialistic values in her. That she STILL chooses of her own free will to abandon that when she learns of Kefka's poisoning Doma should speak to her moral compass. And that's the other main thing: she *chooses* to leave them. She isn't coerced, it isn't made of desperation, there is no benefit at all to her betraying the Empire and doing so results in her being imprisoned and tortured, and she still does it. Not only that, after she's freed she intends to make up for it by working for the Returners and fighting against her own people. She realizes she's on the wrong side, quits at personal risk to her life, and when fortune has it Locke is there to bail her out puts herself to work helping the good guys.
>>739376372are you a zoomer retard? you sound like a zoomer retard.you are also a fag.
>>739407216>If she were a male character he would get crucified by everyone.Anon, LEO is actively worse than Celes because he keeps working for the Empire after Kefka's bullshit up until his dying breath, and the cast still gives him a pass because he's a decent guy
>>739407817umm she's an evil empire fascist nazi and needs to be cancelled forever CHUD
>>739407948They give him a pass because he's a man compared to Celes who's a DEI hire
>>739376372Why does it need one clear protagonist does that make the gameplay worse somehow?So is Celes a clear protagonist or not I'm confused what your problem isEVERY part of EVERY game can be called an optional quest if you're going to be a faggot about it
>>739376729Based
>>739376372This is like the sixth anti-FFVI thread this month. Who are you people? What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>739410693Cry me a river
>>739410693we're increasing the chances of a remake
Test
FF6 thread after dark, love to see it
>>739410693some butthurt zoomer who got stuck on some early game boss
>>739382615Why is his underwear visible? Does he poop and piss in the alleyways of Zozo?
>>739382678Seeing Terra let her hair flow during the ending as a final nod to her newfound freedom of her Esper life is just such a satisfying ending, that along with the buildup of the ending theme never fails to make me shed some heartfelt tears. I always choke up a bit at Terra's part.She's the character we've known the longest since the very start of the game. She's come the furthest. And her ending is the most bittersweet, as she has to say a final goodbye to her father.
>>739383148Another thing that shocked me is Gesthal suggesting Kefka and Celes procreate to make a super soldier child or something along those lines during the Floating Continent cutscene.
>>739380494>Cultist Tower is nothing but stairs much like the Shinra Building stair climbThere’s another FF6/FF7 parallel
>>739389042
FF6 is still a great game but it just doesn't rate high for me within the franchise or even against other SNES RPGs. I would say Lufia (2) and Chrono Trigger are better turn based SNES RPGs.I love the gritty aesthetic of 6 but there are too many characters, bad narrative pacing and gameplay-wise it doesn't do anything too interesting. >>739380494This is a self-own, 6 was 7-beta in a lot of ways. 7 took heavy inspiration from it and did many things better. After 7, they tried to ambitiously outdo 7 in a similar way but that didn't work out.Square try to redo and perfect themes a lot, they've been fucking around with time-travel nonsense for like 25 years now
I like FF6. It's my fifth favourite FF game
>>739407817>might, surely, probably, almost certainly I like how pretty much none of these wonderfully complex reasons are actually in the game. We know nothing about what her service was like and how the fuck it even worked, what conditioning was there (if any), whether her alleged moral complex ever bothered her, and so on. Her whole character only becomes good if you invent an absolutely massive amount of fanfiction to give it any depth or logic.
>>739417004He’s right
>>739407216Based based based
>>739418691>We know nothing about what her service was like and how the fuck it even workedThen why try and make the argument she spends 'a chunk of years in active service' at all? You seem more than willing to make inferences when we have exactly one (1) actual in-universe mention of any of her campaigns, and that's Maranda. At least in terms of her having moral quandaries there's evidence of that in, again, her choosing to leave the Empire based on moral objections which is literally how she is introduced. And her conditioning is brought up by Cid during the Magitek Factory
>>739385306I fucking wish Edgar were the main protagonist. He and Sabin are the only characters who have a properly nuanced relationship dynamic AND also do something important plot wise for the entire game.
>>739417690kek
>>739419785Edgar and Sabin have permanent slots in my party whenever possiblehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7gxfe0h4TY
>>739416459He's confident with his thrid leg
>>739419903Figabros
Bump
>>739376372If this had Final Fantasy in the title it'd be remembered as one of the best ones, up there next to FFX
>>739423489It was shit.
>>739424585you haven't played it
