>vidya has deep lore >look inside >it's just gnosticism with the serial numbers filed off Why is this so common?
I mean, just look around.
>>739378569>Why is this so common?Midwits are easily impressed by the "all suffering actually secretly makes sense, and you're special for knowing this" idea.Requesting games with kino original schizo lore/worldbuilding. Hard mode: No TES.
>>739378569Give examples. No Xenogears
>>739378569many such cases
>>739378569is there a game that does neoplatonism?
>vidya has deep lore>look inside>it's just dev being a chucklefuck and throwing random references around for the lulz
>>739378569Baby's first philosophy/theology/esotericism
>>739379909E33
>>739378569>Why is this so common?Lot of hylics with no creativity in this shithole reality.
Because it's pure I'm 12 and this is deepery
>>739378569>Why is this so common?Because it's true?
>>739379909Genshin Impact, though I think that's just because one of the head devs is a big fan of Eva (hence Impact in the titles of their games and Hu Tao having Sachiel and Ramiel rings)
>>739378569Because it's the lingering Christ trying to wake you up. You're so deep, riding the demiurge's material cock that you don't care.
>>739380113Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh Xenoblade Chronicles 2?
>>739379909Xenogears overturns everything it deals with, including Gnosticism itself, Fei has contact with the divine, but then returns to defend the flesh (as Zarathustra does), while Krelian seeks the Pleroma, but in the end he exiles himself
it is not gods responsibility to keep bad things from happening to humansThis world is our world and everything in it good and bad is for humans to improve or destroy
>vidya has lore>it's mortal urges driving individuals into acting on behalf of their own interests, bringing about greed, lust, conflict and warkino
Gnosticism is for midwit larpers
>>739381468I agree, it is humanism, that is why the debate between atheists and believers is of little use, whether he exists or not, what does it matter pragmatically? many would like god as an excuse not to make decisions on their own. But the truth is that we are alone, whether god exists or not
>>739381521War IS God thoughie
>>739380339Astralibra, my beloved.
>>739381568This. Fucking imagine going through loads of BS initiation rituals and whatever being told that you'll learn all the secrets of the universe. And it ends up just being some retarded family tree of pleuroma and principles. What a load of trash.
>>739381765yeah, imagine falling for Catholicism.
>>739379704Cruelty Squad
>>739381828catholcism is big
>>739379704>Midwits are easily impressed by the "all suffering actually secretly makes sense, and you're special for knowing this" idea.It's called theodicy
>>739382103for you.
>so-called "deep lore">look inside>it's just jewish kabbalah again
>>739380113That's like asking if a game does Christianity. It's virtually the same thing.
>>739381828Ehh at least with saint worship you know what you're getting into and in some way you're expecting to get something out of it too. You're a boatsman, well better pray to the guardian saint of sailors, he'll keep you safe, probably maybe.With gnosticism, what's the fucking point of yabel and sophia and sabaoth, the 4 lights and 12 aeons or whatever. All you're told is no you can't see these entities because of the demiurge, they have no power, they must be sent back to the pleuroma or whatever. So what's the point, it's just giga larping.
>>739380603kek
>>739382323>implying anything supernatural must reveal itself openly or have a clear digestible answer, especially that which resides beyond the veiland who's to say the aeons are "good"? they're the ones who caused this mess in the first place.at best they're an ambiguous cosmic force who are partially responsible for you being trapped in this hellhole, while the demiurge is playing dolls with epstein and his friends.
>game has deep lore>look inside>it's just pseudo-intellectual "show but don't tell" references and the game's "lore" is pretty much only told through various tinfoil conspiracy -tier connections and item descriptions>people worship this as genius storytelling >literally everyone and their mother makes a similar game with the exact same cryptic bullshit nowThanks, MiyazakiSekiro will forever be your only game I've finished and cared about
>>739380047When in doubt, beat the SHIT out of demiurge.>>739382102Literally gnosticism with some economic wangst thrown in.>>739382180Not exactly. Theodicy is an answer to the question of "if god good, why bad things happen???".Gnosticism decouples that from the benevolent god figure and emphasizes how special and cool and elite you are for knowing about about demiurge and shit.
>>739380047>>739378569Whats this flower lion thingy?
>>739382745a dumbass
>>739379704Paradigm Worlds. The morality system is tied directly into the world state on a timer. If you fail to conjure up enough good will and karma the surrounding nation states will eventually become hostile and are subsequently consumed by demonic hordes. There is also a random chance that the apocalypse kicks off without warning shifting the dynamics into overdrive having to content with 500+ cultist parties. Said parties that easily tear through most standing armies outside of alien pirates and Neocorp's hacker swarms.
>>739382745the god keeping humanity prisoned is depicted as half lion half snake because it's representative of the christian god and the christian devil
>game has deep lore>look inside>no one actually understands what it is, people just know that it's based on something else and think that means that they got the deep loreTESElden RingYUGIOHBloodborneJojoSekiroDark SoulsEvangelionBerserkLobotomyCSMTetcnone of the retards who complain about the inspiration behind these games actually understood either the games or the sourceI challenge a single person on /v/ to give a non-meme explanation as to what Kabbalah actually is. No circular logic or meme answers.
>>739381605>what does it matter pragmatically?If we should focus our resources on either creating one or kill him
>>739382909gnosticism predates christianity, so its depiction is closer to the old testament god
>>739383006>Jojodoesn't jojo change its premise every 3 parts or so >Kabbalah cool decoration on Gendo's office ceiling
>>739383076i should have called it the abrahamic god, not christian but the gist of it stays the same.
>>739383006elder scrolls lore is actually pretty digestible it's just dealing with a lot of strange concepts from eastern religions. elden shart "lore" is actual fucking babble.
>>739383135>doesn't jojo change its premise every 3 parts or soJojo has occult themes, they're just more subtle. Part 5/6 has Alchemy and Kundalini references and Araki-styled, Part 7/8 is inspired by Renaissance Occultism and "Mathematical Spirituality", Part 3 has benign parallels with Tarot, Part 2 Red Stone of Aja used by Kars to obtain immortality is a reference to the Philosophers stone.
>>739383249>elden shart "lore" is actual fucking babble.Unironically filteredElden Ring is actually an ingenious analysis of the 5th century BC to 5th century AD history of European religion and spirituality between the 3 corners of Monotheism, Polytheism and Alchemy in a way that most people misunderstood what Miyazaki/FROM was being apologetic to.
>>739383292>Jojo has occult themes, they're just more subtle.fair fair, I think I struggle to track with it because of Araki's more overt writings fuckups/changes.>>739383347nta but is it actually communicated through the story iself or do I have to read about Zanzifart's Dildo of Despair and Lament in order to figure this shit out?
>>739378569why is he such an asshole sperg?
>>739383006Kabbalah is a school of mysticism derived heavily from Judaism, and especially Judaism's emphasis on gematria. It's more or less about trying to understand the divine secrets underlying the Torah and the Hebrew langauge, using this understanding as a path to try to connect oneself up to the light of God. The thing most people know about Kabbalah, the Sephirot, is a really intersting occult diagram that conveys a lot of information in its original context, but ultimately is both not the main point of Kabbalah and is mostly just used as surface level imagery when used in pop culture. Lobotomy Corporation has the best usage of it from what I've seen.
>>739383292I could see a post-part 7 Jojo villain trying to complete the Loagaeth.
>>739378778Go suck on some tits, it will do you good.
>>739383510>>nta but is it actually communicated through the story iself or do I have to read about Zanzifart's Dildo of Despair and Lament in order to figure this shit out?It is pretty overt if you know history but if you dont know about all 3 topics you'd miss itThe game sets up a trifecta of ideals that can be seen as the Polytheism-Alchemy-Monotheism, where Alchemy is the bridge between the two.It's essentially paying homage to the origins of Alchemy (which are from Greek polytheism and Kathenothism) as well as a return to prototypical Mysticism that characterizes the Greeks and Egyptians, in opposition to the dogma-centered Jews and Christians. Ergo the whole focus on the Golden Order 'shattering'In fact, Elden Ring actually has some very overt references to IRL Hellenist religion in a way that's actually 4th wall breaking.
>>739381568Im convinced nu-gnostism is a Russian psyop to get young men to fetishize their suffering.>Oh your miserable, must be becuase you are super smart and everyone else is a flesh robot. Make sure to stay mad.
>>739384070>Kabbalah is a school of mysticism derived heavily from Judaism, and especially Judaism's emphasis on gematria. It's more or less about trying to understand the divine secrets underlying the Torah and the Hebrew langauge, using this understanding as a path to try to connect oneself up to the light of God. The thing most people know about Kabbalah, the Sephirot, is a really intersting occult diagram that conveys a lot of information in its original context, but ultimately is both not the main point of Kabbalah and is mostly just used as surface level imagery when used in pop culture. Lobotomy Corporation has the best usage of it from what I've seen.This is mostly true, but its missing some context, namely that Kabbalah is derived primarily from the writings of the Zohar, a """secret book""" Jews wrote around the 15th century thats about 4000 pages long or something? I have it on my PC and its fucking hugeAlso, that Kabbalah is primarily about analyzing the mechanics of unity with a transcendental God, resolving paradoxes of contradiction in monotheism and infinity and trying to find the nature by which one unifies with GodTo the point where in Kabbalah, if you climb the Pillars you don't call God God, you refer to him directly as in "You".
let's be real, to live is to suffer and happiness is just moments of cope. sadly, you're chained to your survival instinct and your cope on a rope.
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You literally have to start with the world being a lie if you want magic to be real
>>739384648jej
>>739384573
>>739384247>It is pretty overt if you know history but if you dont know about all 3 topics you'd miss itInteresting, I suppose most of the nitty gritty details though are found via item descriptions and whatnot? Maybe I'll give ER a try one day, I liked the first half of DS1 fwiw
>>739381568Horoscope for boys.
>>739384792>we wuz chemicals and shieeeti hate atheists so much, i really do.
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>>739378569It’s mindblowing to normies.
>>739384648and what if the demiurge had created you only as biological material to be cultivated to then be reabsorbed into him?
>>739384895Exactly! I agree.
>>739384848>>Interesting, I suppose most of the nitty gritty details though are found via item descriptions and whatnot? Maybe I'll give ER a try one day, I liked the first half of DS1 fwiwYeah, but at first I'd recommend studying the nature of (namely) Hesiodic and Orphic Hellenism, Platos original Gnosticism and the history by which it led to 3rd century Alchemy, and the methods by which Alchemists kept trying to merge the Jewish, Christian and Zoroastrian worlds together with the Polytheist ones. You may also want to read up on Mitars/Mithras cults (whose role to the IRL sun gods and against polytheist religion was VERY similar to Metyrs in Elden Ring)
>>739383006My gut wants me to explain the Sefirot but you said Kabbalah specifically. It's a religious framework through which to understand the world. A school of thought, in less anal terminology. It posits understanding can be broken into four layers: The direct interpretation, the allegorical, the comparative, and the esoteric or "deepest" meaning. All of these relate back to their interpretation of God and the ten/eleven Sefira through which God's will is divided and channeled. Admittedly I'm not an expert on this, my background is in Christian-Orthodox stuff since that's how I was raised, but SMT/Eva got me into this stuff because it looks cool and teaches very little. I'm also not one of the dudes complaining or calling the lore deep tho. Well. Eva's is but mostly due to the amount of timeline information relegated to the fucking PS2 princess raising sims. Nothing to do with Kabbalah or the Judeo-Christian imagery in that regard. And SMT's writing is often overglazed. 4's characters are so flat it made me salty when I played it. At credits' roll I thought "That's it?" Their development is unnatural, they just flip a switch into becoming Law/Chaos ideologues. Isabeau was okay.
>>739385015The meaning of life is being able to infodump your theories about the nature of the world, "truth", and existence to a girl while you're balls-deep in her.
>>739384792You cannot explain consciousness through science, it is like music, you can explain how Beethoven's music propagates, but the wonder one feels is not reducible to Fourier analysis. Reductionism is intrinsically false.
>>739385085SMT as a series has good atmosphere. Most of the games have a good beat or two, but only SJ has good writing.
>>739384880>all of our feelings were given to us by a mean desert wizard who lives in the skyTell me again why your thing is better than observing objective reality?
>>739385167What about Digital Devil Saga? I heard it's good
>>739379704one thing I noticed is midwits love calling others midwits. what gives?
>>739385264Those games are dope. I want to say the more linear the Atlus game, the better the writing. Not strictly true but it's proven useful to me in the past.
>>739384929We dont need some mythical made up scenario, thats exactly what we are. Enjoy the struggle as our efforts birth the gods of tommorow, just as out primitive ancestors birthed us.
>>739385382This is a midwit board, midwit.
>>739385085>All of these relate back to their interpretation of God and the ten/eleven Sefira through which God's will is divided and channeled.See that's how it seems if you get second hand interpretation, but the notion of Union is very intrinsic to the linguist approach of analyzing even the most basic of Sefirot. Namely, the idea is that the Sefirot is 'oneness' and represents 'unifying' with God being infinity, and manifestation shattering in comprehending him, then trying to unify to fit a singular model in which the Sefirot (meaning literally Emanations, not even necessarily 'separate things' as one would assume) are ultimately just the structure by which Gods internal purity and intrinsic creation manifests to, in essence, try and cover all bases of perfection that Jews expect God to be, ergo why there's so many 'pipes' between the 'balls' on the Tree of Life. And that's just the beggining of Tikkum Olam (the notion that Jews exist to help these shattered yet-rectified parts of God perfect themselves in existence and that upon completing this they will manifest Heaven on Earth etc)Yet inversly, Yugioh and Elden Ring see the idea of the Sefirot as 'false ideals' and 'false Gods' that represents unempathetic Order that seeks to stamp out 'gentle Chaos' by driving all escape from the Order towards itself (Law of Regression/Convergance in Elden Ring). See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vjGZ1MIyk
>>739383006Bloodborne isn't even that confusing. The story is straightforward.
>>739380047I really really like this picture.
>>739384247>Elden Ring actually has some very overt references to IRL Hellenist religion in a way that's actually 4th wall breakingDo you have any examples? That sounds really interesting but I rushed the bosses in elden ring as much as possible so I wasnt super exposed to the story.
>>739383006kabbalah is the jewish ripoff of egyptian magic.
>>739385163I dont think its that binary. Science explians a lot about consciousness, but Qualia are a big deal, dont get enough attention, and are an exciting mystery that the current models fail to solve.
>>739385484Z-one was such a good antagonist, really Ark Cradle was genuinely good, especially from a toy commercial anime
>>739383006>TESYes, the lead writer and genius was high on drugs, and as a result he can't connect the dots so neither can you.And its also paired with a team that lacks the imagination to go the full extra mile.Then there is a small joke: TES3 spells most of the esoteric and insane stuff out very plainly. And they have put out 2 more games since then....>Elden RingWe got a Great Archon inside the Elden Ring.The Elden Ring can be altered to fuck with realityMarika is a deeply flawed and spiteful being.And no, we can't actually replace her.Plus cut content. A LOT of cut content. A fucking mountain. Its a miracle the base game + DLC has as much coherent content as it has.>BloodborneIts all Georgian and Victorian medical stuff randomly strapped to everything.
>>739385039thx for the recs anon
I don't blame gnosticism for my problems.I blame this asshole
>>739385545I had this argument yesterday and nobody could answer. How does anyone have any clue what the fuck Margos wet nurse was without vidyavaati? Everything involving her was not self explanatory.
>>739385843>Marika is a deeply flawed and spiteful being.Shut your mouth about my Queen. Simping aside I didnt get that all. She had the courage to give up her cushy life and be crucified trying to fix/improve the acceptable but stagnant.
>>739385119Close, you dump that into what comes out of the girl after you dump into the girl.
>>739385163>music is like magical and shit, you can't explain it, manExcept you can see which parts of the brain light up when listening to a pleasant song. There have been thousands of studies of which tones, chords, and intervals make people react positively. It's why modern music sounds the way it does and why AI can replicate it easily in seconds.
>>739385691Ok so you know how Ranni (the Moon Witch) lives in the 'Three Sisters'? Well that's a reference tohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecatewhich is not a Greek-original deity, but rather was adopted by Greece fromhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carianswhich is indirectly affirmed by the existence of https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/caria+manorsemi related is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_I_of_CariaMetyr's name is essentially Mithras (a deity of the Middle East which represents the killing of the Zeus/Jove type God and replacing them with a Sun/Ahura Mazda/Yahweh type God) who was in part snuck into Rome through a secret soceity, this whole subplot is in part started by a Middle Eastern Roman Emperor called EleGABAALus who wanted to end Zeus/Jove worship (represented by the killing of a Bull) and replace it with sun worshipI think there's another 'Greek name' that's straight up taken from Hellenism in the names of the Outer Gods but IDR which oneTyphon was the world ending serpent of Chaos ('father of many monsters') in Greece, equated to Rykard/God devouring serpent who is defeated by Zeus (ergo why you kill him with the funny Storm Spear)Smaller references include Norkon the Eternal City is a reference to Kronus (ergo Eternal), Tiche(Tyche) and Nyx(Nox), Fire Giant is crippled like Haphestus etcTechnically, Rot being Immortality in ER (as opposed to DaS/Sekiro) is a reference to the fermentation of Alchohol aka Dionysus
real tired of tradlarpers brehs...
>>739379704Wooden Ocean
>>739385843Marika is a mixture of Maria (Virgin Mary for Americans) and Jesus who essentially rebels against Yahweh (in the form of the Erdtree, which is a metaphor for the Sefirot as characterized by the Law of Regression and Convergence as well as the subplot of 'restoring the Elden Ring' itself)
>>739383006>I challenge a single person on /v/ to give a non-meme explanation as to what Kabbalah actually is.Early man's faulty attempt at trying to understand the world around him twisted into political power
>>739386538repeating murda over and over is not top tier worldbuilding
>>739384573I live to experience the joys of the world until I can do so no more. Learn to appreciate little pleasures of life and not be bogged down by its woes. The gradient of happiness and misery lies in your attitude towards it, in how much you expect from it and from yourself. If you expect great things, you're bound to be disappointed often, so perhaps it is better to settle for little, and take it easy.There might not be any grand design or cosmic meaning behind our lives, but that doesn't mean we can't make one for ourselves. That's what free will is all about. You can choose your own significances, your own goals, your own meanings. Even if they are silly and meager, as long as they give you the strength to carry on, it's all that matters. After all, legacy of the greatest man to live wouldn't even get a sidenote in the history book of the universe. Enjoy what little you have, for we all have very little, and rarely get the luxury to be picky about it.
>>739385843>>Yes, the lead writer and genius was high on drugs, and as a result he can't connect the dots so neither can you.This is double false, he can connect the dots and actually wrote the plot of Morrowind perfectly normally, he's just a mythology studentMost people get filtered by Morrowinds surface plot (bro Vivecs religion is lying about everything and censoring history? No way!) to realize that TES's overarching story is about achieving Apotheosis and Godhood, and that the Anuic side of the world is just the side of existence that has yet to reach it, vs the Daedric/Padomaic side which is divine and Buddhalike in a way that parallels IRL spiritual systems. There's some really good write ups on different site about this but a lot of people see TES as the 'setting made for us to project our headcannon' and thus believe their own version of the setting and end up completely missing this subplot (it's implied in Morrowind but Spelled out in Oblivions MQ and Shivering Isles, but most people get filtered by those)
>>739386632i agree. fortunately there's more to it than that.
>>739386645Based
>>739386776that's certainly an opinion
>>739378569>Good point, however this thread doesn't concern me anymore. It is time for me to depart for the catalog. All posters eventually converges to it. Farewell.
>>739386548The genius of Elden Ring's loreIs that it becomes very plain when people start hallucinating objects together, to create a headcanon. They will proudly present square bits for triangle holes.
>>739382323>You're a boatsman, well better pray to the guardian saint of sailors, he'll keep you safe, probably maybechristians really can't help themselves reinventing polytheism over and over agains
>>739387115>>Is that it becomes very plain when people start hallucinating objects together, to create a headcanon. They will proudly present square bits for triangle holes.What part of that is unconventional? The Sefirot (aka Tree of Life)-Golden Order (aka Erdtree) parallel or Marika being the Virgin Mary combined with Jesus who ends up turning against the Golden Order? Which part of that is contradicted by any part of the story.
ITT: retards
>>739385163Matter is wave, we like clean but also elaborate patterns. There's a desire for order but also aesthetic that's driven by some unidentified factor. Don't know if it's happening organically or if it's enforced.
>>739379704nier
>739387287seething little hylic
>>739387241It has all the same problems with tying it to Yggdrasil, or Dagda. Even more so since in all 3 cases nothing lines up with how the death rites work.>>739387063I like that seconds struggle with the idea that your people become so distant from spirituality, meaning the end result is just that people reach fulfillment, and its treated as a zombie virus.
>>739385882Do you not know what a wet nurse is? It was nursing Yharnam's baby because its mom was dead. >>739386439Thank you anon!
>>739384398I blame the reddification of stoicism
>>739384895>generate organs capable of seeing the structure for what it is>lose any will to live or reproduce because I'm now aware that it's all a scam centered around suffering and a purposeless goose chase >at best it serves the interest of a higher authority using use as farm animals for a greater purpose that doesn't concern us>go extinct That's how it is in this nigger faggot troon bitch benchod universe
>>739387667wouldn't the higher authority have a vested interest in keeping such a being alive as they would be a massive source of suffering to harvest?
>>739387438I don't think amalgamation of all biological matter away from the tao is a desirable fulfilment. It's rot.
>>739379704Iconoclasts. Its cool how in the game you learn that all the gods and figures that people worship actually really exist and you meet them (and often kill them, because you make everything worse, lel).Zero Ranger is just schizo mecha anime references meshed together into something that kinda works. Plus some Buddhism coat of paint.Gunvolt, kinda. Individual games aren't anything that impressive on their own, but if you take a step back and think about the world its quite interestingDisgaea is just schizo and kino, but it doesn't take itself seriously.
>>739387763No, same reason elites keep peons away from the truth with migalies and leftiepol bullshit. The farm animal spreading the truth around can SNOWBALL into a big problem.
>>739386645NTA but you put in a lot of effort into writing that comment and so I want to reply in kind with my own perspective on things.I view life in a different way than merely "joys and woes". I honestly don't care for the day-to-day suffering and pleasures, never did. My issues with life are on a more philosophical level. I realized this after reflecting deeply on life with a couple of psychedelic psilocybin mushrooms consumed.The issue I have with life is that I can't conceive of happiness. And I don't mean my personal life, or the situation I find myself or even other inhabitants of this universe in. I mean I can't conceive that happiness and actual full-blown self-fulfillment is actually possible at all.Not even if I had perfect technology and all resources could I transform the universe into something where I feel like people could be genuinely happy and fulfilled, not only that I don't even think if I were given god powers and could change the laws of physics to whatever it could be would I be able to enable happiness.I genuinely think happiness isn't possible, as in, it's non-existent and isn't even possible to exist, like dividing by 0. Most people that are "happy" just deluded themselves to "sit out" life or have taken such an apathetic approach to existence that they distanced themselves from it so that they aren't negatively affected, but that's not the same as happiness.You speak about being able to carry on as the only thing that matters. But I think the opposite is true. Staying alive is the cowards path, imprisoned in a flash prison because you're more scared of the unknown than to just have the balls to take the high road by stepping out of existence.I hope I will one day have the strength and moral conviction to be able to end my own life. People that were able to kill themselves throughout history are the only people I respect wholeheartedly.
>>739387438>>It has all the same problems with tying it to Yggdrasil, or Dagda. >Even more so since in all 3 cases nothing lines up with how the death rites work.It only seems this way because you're assuming exact parallels yet also ignoring the goal of the story. Regarding exact parallels, the obsession with Gold is very Christian, Crucification is very Christ, Marika is a very Christian (virgin Mary) name and the Erdtrees only two metaphysical laws stated as part of the religion represent almost the entirety of what the Sefirot in Kabbalah represents (and the Sefirot IS Yahweh, in his manifest form). Marika also 'resurrects from the dead' (Jars) and also 'ascends' by entering a covenant with the Golden Order (the word covenant is the same as the word "Testament" like in New Testament, representing Yahwehs covenant with Jews). Then there's stuff mentioned elsewhere here like the Polytheism-monotheism conflict (like Mithras-Metyr)The subversion obviously is that a. Its a woman and not a man, b. That she betrays "Yahweh" and that the normal ending is "Restoring" aka Rectifying the Sefirot and c. That she is in Elden Ring, a story which is a Drama based on Polytheism and the Classical Era, where Marika is the OUTLIER not the norm. Also that Marikas origin is from a tribe of Shamanists, who are used for human sacrifice which is a subversion of Abrahamic origin.Marika ultimately chooses polytheism while the Golden Order tries to force Alchemy upon her (ergo the conflict between her and Radagonn, instead of their Rebis). Often times Red and Gold is equated with Rebis, but Marika is clearly aware that the Order is trying to erase her and essentially regress from "Christianity" to "Judaism" on some level.Because ultimately, Elden Ring is an original story/work with its own motifs and themes/style, but it heavily draws from its inspirations and does so acutely and respectfully. The reason for the nature of 'death' in the setting is because life and death is used
>>739379704>Requesting games with kino original schizo lore/worldbuilding. Hard mode: No TES.The Citadel. God disappears causing the Kingdom of Heaven to blame humanity and triggers Armageddon. The demons miraculoualy feel pity for humanity and fight back, resulting in a messed up reality where what few devils remain being worshiped as biomechanical angels and the angels themselves being seen as abhorrent mechanical demons. The demons try to make humanity a new God, named the Sleeping God, but it starts releasing psychotic mind control waves making everyone kill each other. Eventually, the Martyr kills all of the angels (demons) and aborts the Sleeping God in its womb via a blessed nuclear bomb, but not before riding the fuck out of a little boy and getting herself pregnant with his child. This is important.The angels, having watched this unfold, had a big laugh and then started their next assailt on humanity. In the Bible, it is written>Let us make man in Our image.So the remaining angels took that literally and crammed the souls of almost the entire human race into an egg to birth a new God. Martyr meanwhile begins to develop schizophrenia, starts remembering her dead little brother whom she molested daily, and realizes she's bodyhopping between clones of herself who LIKELY HAVE THEIR OWN PERSONALITIES should they ever awaken, but since she hijacks them before that, she effectively erases them. Isqa, her son from the shota she basically raped at the end of the first game, assists Martyr in slaying the remaining angels, and at the end of the game Martyr can either regaij her sanity long enough to put humanity's soul at peace or let them live on forever in agony as a new God of lust and incest.Also I'd like to shout out Path of aachra and Songs of Syx for having fucking bizarre in-universe poetry, quotes, and passages. Also Chrono Ark because it's basically Gnosticism in vidya done right. Loli murders the Demiurge who's also her pedophile groomer.
>>739387915not really. knowing the truth but being powerless to change anything is the most exquisite form of suffering imaginable.
>>739387981as a way to 'recycle' people and essentially feed off of them, parasitically which is a reference to the idea of the regressive/sacrificial solar deity as well as Mara/Karma in Buddhism which relies on sacrifice/fuel to maintain itself, unlike the more fluid and Buddhist/Daoist, and per Miyazaki Polytheist styled 'chaotic' world. Its a similar motif to what Dark Souls was about. Wherein the Erdtree/Sun/Monotheism doesn't respect the individual and instead is just a parasite on a polytheist 'naturalism'.
>>739379704Rain World is buddhakino.
>>739386864here's another opinion, being reductive about a game you clearly haven't played is retarded
>>739378569Let's face it if the demiurge was depicted as a cute loli you guys would suddenly love the material realm
>>739387960sounds to me like you just psyched yourself out of the possibility of having fun sometimes
>>739387960See children, THIS is reddit spacing! Since on reddit to start a new paragraph you need 2 line breaks, when you take those habits into 4chan it results in needlessly broken blocks like these.>>739387981This is more normal writing. It uses single and double line breaks to make the text more readable, and it knows what its doing, unlike the redditor who's operating purely on habits from his older site.
>>739388134pedos are utterly enslaved to the material realm and material desires. they will NEVER escape the cycles
>>739388079I was just about to mention this sluggo game.
>>739387960NTA but you are looking for a state, Anon is the exact opposite, he took solace in the moments. If Heraclitus / Buddah is right and the ultimate truth of the universe is this too shall pass, than what you want is impossible in anything but short bursts. So appreciate the burts when they come.
>>739388037Cool but if that is so why is the truth dissimulated from us? Your statement is inconclusive with the model and routine of that elusive "authority" who's allegedly responsible for our predicament.
>>739388180none of those blocks are paragraphs anyway. not enough sentences to be a paragraph.
>>739388029>The CitadelNice.Jap schizo kino.Though still too much of the "angel, demon, god" shit. How much atmosphere and meaning would be lost if you renamed those things to something original?
>>739388212Are there lolis in the pleroma? No? Then i don't care
>>739388134I already love the real world because it is here that God made everything for us and where the kingdom of Heaven will be established after the End of Days. Gnosticism is fake and gay and a dead religion.
>>739388079>>739388214I wont fuck your wife Dunkey, stop asking!
>>739388320case in point. utter hylic cattle
>>739387667the heat death of the universe will always happen. everything gets old, tired, and gives up. this is why progress is the enemy, because we're progressing off a cliff.
>>739387981>>739388029lmao
>>739388312>How much atmosphere and meaning would be lost if you renamed those things to something original?It doesn't use Christian imagery outside of the sexy nun outfits but a lot of the lore is implicitly dependent on Christian beliefs being subverted, which is explicitly why all the good the devils did bit them and humanity in the ass. No good can come from demons, at the end of the day.Personally, I place The Citadel and Beyond Citadel happening after Messiah (that game by Interplay where you play as a little angel named Bob and have to banish Satan to Hell).
>>739388252Buddhism is not the same as HeraclitusHeraclitus has no notion of 'transcendental memory or personal development that transcends time' but Buddhism does, and posits it as Nirvana. Buddhism is not in fact focused on impermanence but rather transcending it, in essence if you're not a buddhist the best way to explain it is>Buddhism notices that all 'things' rely on conditions to begin, and fuel to continue existing>ergo they pursue Nirvana, which means extinguishment, and is eternal and unbegun but also perfect, pleasant and not less than anything that is Buddhisms baseline Epistemology and Ontology is entirely distinct from the West's Equating Buddhism with some sort of hyper-impermanence despairjerking is not productive and the EXACT EXPLICIT OPPOSITE of what the Buddha said, and in fact he decried this idea. People just misunderstand words like 'desire' which are Christianity-centered deliberate miss-translations that took root in East-West dialogue.
>>739388342Ive been reading more epistemology and it helped me make 800k last month. What exactly has your philosophy given you besides more isolation, loneliness, and self righteous anger?
>>739388029Two nukes weren't enough.
>>739378569Gnosticism is the first thing teenager comes when after parables about a kind god, he sees a scary, imperfect world
>>739388623>kind godJews never considered YHWH kind.
>>739388670They weren't kind people, but they believed in their own well-being if they did everything as he said
>>739387765>desireableno>fulfilmentYesThat is the point.
>>739388670They do consider him "kind" since he is "kind" to them and no one else. And since they believe that goyim are no better than cattle, they obviously don't give a shit.
>>739388029Nips are going to the burn pit.
>>739388498Cool, but this is missing my point to Anon about impermanence. Whether its the Buddah, hericlitus or whitehead, the fact they all could agree on that one truth was the point. The fact they all agreed on the same principle but took it in different directions makes it more even more impactful to me.
>playing this gacha game with a big mystery behind it>I'm 100% sure the big mystery is just gnosticism >everyone just cares about drawing all the characters being lesbians toward each other Shit sucks
>>739378569cuz gnosticism is really cool
>>739378569The most disappointing part of EYE: Divine Cybermancy.
>>739379704Elder scrolls is also Gnosticism dummy. What you think Chim is if not gnosis?
>>739388945>The fact they all agreed on the same principle but took it in different directions makes it more even more impactful to me.It's not really the same principle. Heraclitus believes that everything is inherently impermanent. Buddha states that conditioned things (which rely on conditioned, ergo are impermanent as long as they only exist when their conditions are met) are unsatisfying, and that the goal should be attaining Nirvana (extinguisher of the reliance on conditions, ergo transcendental and eternal and blissful)There is no Buddhist a priori assumption that EVERYTHING is impermanent in Buddhism. This is western misunderstanding.t. Buddha
>>739388970maybe you'll feel better about it after another $100 spent on the game
>>739388424Life will end in 10^14 years? Good! Thus I willed it to be! Think of how much time we have! Thus spoke Zarathustra!
>>739389018Chim differs as per who is talking about itOn the most literal level, without layers of obfuscation that are part of the setting, Chim just means transcendental immortality akin to what the Daedric Princes manifest. The Hero of Kvatch becoming Sheogorath is him achieving CHIM (ergo Daedric "Princedom") and Immortality and divinity. Similar with Talos and on some wavelength the Nerevarine too.Vivec is a bullshit artist who muddies the water because his religion is made to be a malicious antagonist.
Why has there never been a gnosticism plotline where the plottwist is that the "evil" god is actually good, just misunderstood and the protagonists were in the wrong by going against god.The gnosticism trope is now so well-established that it's very ripe for subversion.
>assume there is god>he's an asshole who made this clown world for his own amusement >realize there basically is nothing I can do to escape an almighty entity so the best course of action is leading and appreciating a life so boring and dull that it forgets about me and focuses its assholery on someone elsewhat does that make me
>>739389018>What you think Chim is if not gnosis?It's viewing the Tower from its side and installing mods from Allthefallen to let you fuck SO many children in Skyrim.
>>739388571>i have a lot of goybucks i use to purchase meaningless material things to fill the void not the flex you think it is
>>739389176I guess I should have been more specific with Zero summing. Although different, it’s very clear that Gnosticism was a key inspiration (although not the sole inspiration clearly)
>>739389018CHIM is much closer to Apotheosis than it is to Gnosis, as there is no demiurge in TES. The Aedra and lesser spirits in Mundus are there because they're not Divine, they're trapped due to their own folly and not out of fault of a malicious trickster.>Lorkhanthe notion that Lorkhan is the Demiurge is a misunderstanding of the High Elves version of Metaphysics. What actually happens in TES is akin to >the Anuic forces are Order and Stasis - imperfect>the Padomaic forces want to make them Perfect like themselves - Change and Permanency>they try to convert them but the process is grueling and difficult, ergo why the setting of TES is called the "Arena"It's actually very Buddhist instead. The Daedra are Buddhas, everyone else is just a person in the process of having to become Buddhas, except in a violent fantasy setting that features a massive amount of different cultures on a landmass the size of Australia
>>739389086>fuck your sisteralso spoke Zarathustra
>>739388424>the heat death of the universe will always happenHow do you know? We don't even know what caused the universe to spawn. We don't know how big the universe is. We know fuck-all about what is going to happen million years from now, let alone 10^50 years from now
>>739389283>Why has there never been a gnosticism plotline where the plottwist is that the "evil" god is actually good, just misunderstood and the protagonists were in the wrong by going against god.Yes, the Boys :^)
>>739379704>kino original schizo worldbuilding
>>739389283Because Gnosticism is a retarded misinterpretation of Christianity and what you're describing is Christianity. People hate and mistrust God because of our sinful nature and we reject His gift of eternal life thinking there is an ulterior motive behind it or because we think we are better than God and do not need it. It's only when we realize we are wrong that coming to the altar and beg Him for forgiveness that we can begin healing. No matter the trespass, He will greet you with open arms.
>>739389506>reject His gift of eternal life thinking there is an ulterior motive behind it or because we think we are better than God and do not need itEgyptians had the concept of Eternal Life before Abraham was even a sperm cell.
>>739389506Yes I will listen to you because your discord pfp is a frog dressed as the pope, Juan Ricardo Lopez.
>>739389506Gnosticism is just Christianity that attempts to justify how an all knowing all good all powerful god could create a world with such evil. Is it retarded? Yes, but not as retarded as the standard Christianity which doesn’t even deal with this paradox in its text.
>>739389572Horus ate sperm and fucking dies everyday. In the final form of Heaven, no one needs to die anymore and while life will still be tough, you can at least go to God and he'll have freshly baked choco chip cookies, milk, and dinonuggies ready for you.
>>739388970Which game tho?
>>739388498I think it depends on the denomination. I read the Diamond Sutra and it was very nihilist. Everything I the buddha said was wrong, nothing matters. My understanding is its a great text for someone's whos been a monk their whole life to finally reach a level of unattachment that they can let go of even the Buddah and religion. Great last book, terrible first book. I made the mistake of starting with it and now have a hard time getting into the religion at all.Who is the illusion of the self fooling?
So is the player Lorkhan or the dreamer?
>>739389673ackshully you will just sing hosannas about how great god is for eternity
>>739389391Uhhh Based?
>>739389719
>>739389673Egyptians believed that life was just a trial. When you died you were judged and asked questions. If you failed your soul was disintegrated, if you passed then you were granted entry to to whatever comes after
>>739387667It is what it is.
>>739389724>Who is the illusion of the self fooling?The illusion of the self is not the illusion of the existence of individuals but rather the illusion of necessity of anything /assumed/ to be the real you. Samsara and Nirvana imply that the 'individual' is inherently indestructible, but ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you assume is the 'true you' or 'is necessary' or 'is the only mode of functionality' for x y or z is incorrect. In essence, you might assume sight or hearing or having a name or having a centralized nervous system are all 'always-online' features of a person, but assuming they're the apex, or a necessity, or a limit, or true in anyway leads to ignorance and thus 'getting stuck in assumption' which leads to conditioned behavior and thus Samsara.Nirvana is erasing that.Buddhism is almost entirely about erasing assumptions (metaphysical and cognitive) that exist due to category, speech or other forms of ignorance. Letting go of the self is explicitly about a paradox where the 'eye criticizing or observing this illusion is itself biased' and may regress into assumptions through its continuity. It is not about the ANNIHILATION (translated as 'annihilationism') or Asceticism which the Buddha himself was very much against. Also the imperfection of communicating ideas, and thus self reliance, is one of the Buddhas most spoken about topics.
>>739389773God expects you to work, anon. In New Earth, you better be ready to hug a fucking bear and ride wolves and shit.
>>739389069Fascinating, thank you for taking the time to correct me.>In the Udana (an early Buddhist text), the Buddha explicitly states:>"There is, monks, an unborn, unbecome, unmade, unconditioned. If there were not... no escape from the born, become, made, conditioned would be known."
>>739389673Everything in Egyptian religion is about 'modes' of immortality. Christianity says that its impossible for anyone except God to know what this mode is and thus avoids explaining it, ergo why you can't hear it being criticized.
>>739384648the wonders of being alive look like THIS?
>>739389884I had a nightmare once that I died and I woke up in a sci-fi capsule and I was judged whether I'm fit to join the real world society or not based on my actions in the simulation. Maybe the egyptians were unto something.
>>739378569Because Gnosticism is the latest fad for alternative writers and people into the strange and unusal. It used to be Lovecraft but now lovecraftian references are overplayed and Chtulhu has been reduced to a caricature worthy of dancing the monster mash with Dracula and the Frankestein monster. See you in 20 years when Gnosticism will be just as overplayed as anything else and there will be something else people cling onto.
>>739389942Ye shall be as godshttps://youtu.be/ZTz2N1RbUbQ?si=uf5SY2V2aEzlzIAZ
>>739389950Isn't asceticism a lifestyle that buddhists still reach despite it not being the goal at all?
>>739389942I love prefrontal cortex
>>739389506>the hebrew storm demon is Le heckin good actually
>>739378569writers are lazy and gnosticism sounds deep to norimes whos idea of the afterlife is christcuck theology .
>>739390131FYI the next thing in the west will be Hinduism and Buddhism. Not the westernized version, but stuff like the Buddhist hells and suffering that lasts for trillions of years.Not for Japan though. Japan already does Buddhism and gnosticism and will continue to do so forever.
>>739390165>Isn't asceticism a lifestyle that buddhists still reach despite it not being the goal at all?Asceticism is the last thing the Buddha had to reject to find the truth. Asceticism essentially implies self torture, punishment, suppression etc while Nirvana is supposed to be 'free from condition' this includes 'aversions' or suppression etc, and asceticism just leads to more suffering. Some Buddhists practice asceticism to see what the Buddha 'transcended' in attempts at being more efficient tantric monks in hopes of reaching Nirvana, but the Buddhist "monk" lifestyle isn't asceticism as we would call it in the west. Its more about avoiding the superficial and focusing on min maxing Nirvana.
>>739379704Underrail
>>739385878how was he supposed to know?
>>739390140>At the end the humanity becomes like gods... Biological parts for Deus SOUL
>>739378569>>739380047>>739385619aaAH ATA-ATA-ATA-ATA-ATA!WATAAA!
>>739381568Christians are truly idiots Plato and Hadrian was right about you niggers
>>739382642>it's just pseudo-intellectual "show but don't tell" references and the game's "lore" is pretty much only told through various tinfoil conspiracy -tier connections and item descriptionsThis is the best kind of lore though
>>739390364
>>739379704Disco Elysium.
>>739390392What did Plato say about Christianity?
>>739390364eh doesn't hit the same. the valiant doomed defiance is much more compelling than what is portrayed here
>>739390320>Asceticism essentially implies self torture, punishment, suppression etcIt''s more like controlling your desires I believe.I guess the catch is that you can end up feeling like privation is somehow greater than everything else when it's nothing but a means to an end and you shouldn't seek meaning in it.
>>739390461>born 428/427 BC>died 348/347 BC
>>739388134No because she would be a 4D+ loli, the equivalent of dimensional hagmaxxingWomen shouldn't come in more than 2 dimensions
>>739389506>Jesus never says Yahweh is his father>Tells the Pharisees they are like THEIR father, the devil. Gnosticism makes sense about a few things, and you can see where they are coming from, but then goes off the rails. I assume they were onto the truth, but were intercepted and taken over early by the same Jews who created Catholicism and killed James to make sure the truth got distorted real good.
>>739383006Almost like "le deep lore" doesn't matter and is just something retards latch onto because they're incapable of comprehending anything other than a literal series of events; it's mostly just aesthetic influence, borrowing ideas and symbols to create a certain mood or express something.There would not be more artistic merit to Evangelion if they included a wall of text about the history of each angel in every episode.Souls isn't cool because of how much flavor text there is, Souls is cool because the small details and flavor texts you get about characters and places serve as supplements to the visuals and sound to let your imagination immerse you into the locations and create a specific feeling as you go through them.
>>739390364youtu.be/ifB662xOZTw
>>739387960For me, happiness and fulfillment is not about having all I want, but not needing anything more. When I can sit down and think to myself that here and now is good enough. Of course there are things I'd like to have, a whole lot of them, but ultimately I know that they wouldn't change my life by any significant margin, or at least won't make it much better. Perhaps with that in mind happiness can be defined as resignation to the fact that the only roads available to you are those going downhill.This may be small thinking and living in the moment, yes, but again, isn't our whole lives just an awfully short moment on the universal clock? The entire lifespan of existence as we know it could be a mere glimpse on a graph of a scale we couldn't possibly conceive. And is it really worth to keep trying?All I know is that I'm not strong enough to lift the world, and I don't know anyone who is. Maybe we could all do it together, if only we stopped stepping on each other's toes, but that's another story. And when it comes to death, I don't see much good in hurrying to meet it. I'll be there soon enough, and in the meantime it's worth to try to do some good, for myself and maybe others.
>>739390550I also wonder why he singled out Hadrian. I don't think he really cared all that much about Christianity.
>>739389664>Gnosticism is just Christianity that attempts to justify how an all knowing all good all powerful god could create a world with such evil. Is it retardedPretty much expect not that all the world is evil per say but rather Yahweh is/was cruel.
>>739390509Asceticism to the Buddha was the idea of 'starving yourself of food so that the suffering purifies you of negative forces and habits', and the Buddha claims this is entirely wrong because the absence of bad things is never to be done by suppression as this is still reliant on conditions, rather that by achieving Nirvana, "good nature" will manifest intrinsically without any need for suppression or limitation in a way that is true to wisdom of all things """good""" and """bad""".In other words, 'bad things' on their own don't exist, pleasant or unpleasant all are imperfect if not nirvana, and the Nirvana version of 'existence' is inherently perfect in relation to the question of all conflicts rather than just another permutation. You don't end up doing or experiencing anything negative because Nirvana nature naturally tends towards 'wholesome' actions and states.
>>739390392Are you Indian, perchance? You seem to have the history of Western civilization mixed up.
>>739390668Different sets of gnostics would practice asceticism and complete hedonism because they understood that both paths lead to you understanding that the material world doesn’t offer much of worth spiritually.
>>739390471Valiant doomed defiance does go pretty hard
Shut up retards, the shadows on the wall are doing something funny.
>>739390392Jesus loves you, but I think ur a faeget
>>739389383Is the godhead not the demiurge equivalent here?
>>739390892Early Christians cut their balls off to be eunuchs for Heaven
>>739390791Does that mean people should act according to their instincts? Nature manifests itself differently between individuals, some are prone to rage, other self-destruction, and so on. You don't starve yourself because being hungry is bad and earthly but because you need to steel your will and a strong will is what you need to achieve higher spiritual states.
>>739390961Jesus never existed as was a Jewish rabbi lol.
>>739389664>durr hurrr if god good why world bad, haha checkmate theists, you have no response you are speechless lolTheists have been thinking about this for thousands of years. The book of Job is in the Bible. It's sheer ignorance that's allowing you to believe you're.so much smarter than everyone else.Imagine if I were to say to you "if god isn't real, how does the world exist? No atheist has ever thought or written about this haha lmao." I would be speaking from ignorance, because in fact atheists spend quite a lot of time thinking about the origin of the world.
>>739389950This is where the whole religion loses me, as I can see everything else. I studied a lot, read and thought about a ton of koans. I really like it and hope to get back into it in my old age. Even here its not wrong, I just feel its not the whole story. I see it for processing the present, but in the past their truly was an individual defined by the proceses of its centralized nervous system. My past self was defined by both true and necessary modes INDIVIDUAL functionality. So if its true for past me, shouldnt it be true for present and future me. I just feel its too much at odds with Phenomenology.
>>739391046And current Christian’s believe that heaven will give them each mansions and gold. Goes to show how spiritually corrupted the faith is when their vision of paradise is wealth.
>>739391115>The book of JobHe literally just tells Job to buzz off since he didn't make the world. Only a cuck would accept that as an answer.
>>739390107speaking of nightmares I had one where I was forced to undergo a procedure where all my muscles, bones, and skin were forcibly detached from each other. From what I gather it was a way to reach enlightenment but instead of through inner peace, or use of drugs, it was through pain. It absolutely worked in the nightmare too. Everyone who had undergone it treated it as a perfectly normal thing, and something everyone should undergo.Anyway, I was on a surgery bed, awake of course, there was blood everywhere, and I in shock and pretty much catatonic. The last thing I remember was a thing metal rod coming out of my mouth, inserted from behind my head. I almost threw up when I woke up, also my bedsheets were covered in sweat
>>739391115You can’t prove a negative. If you asked someone to prove dragons aren’t real, they can’t do it.
You currently live in hell and will not progress to the living world until you repent and address your soul's flaws.
>>739389312Totally is, as we both know you'd rather be misserable with goybucks than be misserable without goybucks. If I handed you that 800k, we both know you'd take it. So my question still stands.
>>739391230>f I handed you that 800k, we both know you'd take it.I wouldn't. I'm content with little and thus I possess everything.
>>739391048that goes back to no-self doctrine aka non-assuming about ones own true natureHinduism assumes there's a very specific, spelled out true nature of an individual, but Buddhism posits the opposite. In essence, the best way to prevent a person from smoking crack is not to break their fingers, but rather it's for them to ascend to a higher mode of wisdom and thinking/feeling so that they don't smoke crack no matter what condition they're in, at least as it relates to Nirvana. Any other 'imperfect scenario' is irrelevant, as Buddhism does sort of posit that there IS a perfect solution to everything on some level or other, it's just requires a perfect individual - often veering into the supernal abilities of a Buddha. Of course a Buddha isn't meant to be petty, if he's hungry and there's only meat to eat nearby, he eats meat.
>>739391225But my greatest flaw is my complete indifference to everything.
>if you dont believe Jesus died for a sin you never committed your a heretic and going to hellJust found out this is what these retards think
>>739391091The vast majority of historians disagree with you, but you do you
>>739391331then burn
>>739390550>Picture
>>739391379You literally just committed the sin of judging your fellow brethren.
>>739391381>vast majority of historiansNot even true lets say they did surly there is some evidence for it right?
What causes niggas to go on a video game gooner board and preach asceticism
>>739391460There is a thousand times more historical evidence for Jesus existing than there is for Aristotle, and yet you probably never questioned his existence.
>>739391034From what I gather the Godhead is more of a 'victim' than a malicious actor, as Anu (as both an embodied archetype and a deity) is the one suffering from this more than he is thrusting suffering upon others. This of course relates to archetypal ambiguity in the setting, or in other words where does the archetype end and the deity being (relates to mantling too)In essence, the Godhead isn't "keeping" people stuck or tricking people there but people are rather just all there due to inadequacy and ignorance. Once that is solved they achieve a Padomaic sort of Apotheosis and no longer need to exist in the world that is generally referred to as being "Anu-Padomaic" which essentially means "Padomaic but imperfect and thus making the mistakes of order and stasis in its form and function". There's also the fact that Michael Kirkbride and the other mythology-writers at Bethesda seemingly diverged in how they approached this topic come Oblivion but its still mostly consistent, and the entire relationship between Anu, Anu-Padomaic and Padomaic is paralleled in the Shivering Isles subplot (make sure to read everything on the Zealots and Heretics and Arden-Sul if you really want to get every detail)
>>739391307>Diogenes.imgI believe it, sages exist. They are just never gnostics. Misery psyop.
>>739391510Because niggas like me who have been here for a long ass time have been living in hedonism for a long time and know it is a path that leads to nothing but darkness.
>>739378569https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi8eTnk844EThis place is a gas chamber and the architect is the son of a single mother.
>>739391545>>There is a thousand times more historical evidence for Jesus existing than there is for Aristotle, and yet you probably never questioned his existence.Christians literally destroyed this evidence and 97% of pre-Christian writing. It was fine until they showed up. Also Zealous Christians would obviously believe faulty evidence in J existing during the fall of Antiquity because they're zealots.
>>739391510Forever virgins have always gravitated toward religion to cope with their dry dicksThat's why monasteries were startedCoincidentally, also hotbeds of faggotry historically.
>>739391545>Jesus existing than there is for AristotleNot even true lol
>>739391330Thank you for your answer. I'll go on an unrelated tangent because I'm not familiar with Buddhism.You're saying Buddha will do what's necessary depending on the conditions, he'll act according to his human nature but won't be a slave to it? How important is self preservation here? Let's say six Buddhas are stuck in a cave, will they end up killing and eating each other knowing even the last one has no hope of escaping? Or will they let go?
>>739390892The only definite thing I could say about a higher meaning is that if there is one, I wasn't told, and it'd be fair to presume that it is so by design. A raving madman down the street could have it all figured out and we'd be none the wiser. So I will continue to be silly on the internet in blissful ignorance to all the dreadful consequences and missed possibilities and cruelty of the uncaring universe. If the universe doesn't care about me, I won't care for it either! Take that, universe!
>>739391145>My past self was defined by both true and necessary modes INDIVIDUAL functionality. So if its true for past me, shouldnt it be true for present and future me. I just feel its too much at odds with Phenomenology.Nope, no assumptions should be made for what's true, one can only truly know if they've achieved Nirvana by achieving it. Illusions tend to 'converge' into categories, and this is just a sensory example of them. I recommend doing meditation on the topic of categories as they can be exponentially more complex than just a Microsoft Excel 10x10 table
>>739391697didn't read because essex posters have no opinions worth hearing on any topic
>>739390607woahsource on the super secret Cath origin?
>>739391591Gnosticism is not the same as NeoplatonismPlatos Gnosticism never implied the Demiurge was evil, the implication was that 'there is a perfect truth' and 'it can be pursued' and 'it is invisible but its always there and it is what makes all good things' ergo the allegory of the Caves 'Sun' part
Hand over the loosh.
>>739391837Shan't. I'm a neet from a wealthy family and my life is utterly carefree and blissful.
>>739391746Well, that was rude.
>>739391545NTA but no. First you mean Socretes, Aristotle is almost as confirmed as they come. Jesus probably did exist, but their is a bizare lack of first hand accounts. Nobody recorded anything for 50 years, unlike Socretes where we had a bunch of stories from Aristotle and Plato in Socretes lifetime.
I'm playing Wukong right now and it's kinoI love the East
>>739391665Maybe not. I heard it in a video but I'm not sure if he used credible sources. However, the fact remains that well over 90% of historians agree that Jesus existed.>>739391641Humans are flawed. Jesus would never have supported the spreading of his message through violence.
>>739391631>be "god">create flat earth>skybox is kind of boring>make a little pocket dimension>set up some basic math, gravity and shit>procedurally generate a bunch of stars and planets in orbit and stuff>find a planet with roughly the same surface area as the flat earth>set up a TV camera>exit pocket dimension>go back to the real flat earth>live stream the TV camera of this physical-orbit world as the skybox for the real flat earth>be human, 10000 years later>look up>see a bunch of orbits and shit governed by simple math>actually believe that I am currently orbiting and shit>(Actually just seeing live stream from mathematical pocket dimension)Lol
>>739378569It's a dead religion that you can freely blaspheme without controversy, that's why.
>>739391831It’s only really the Sethian Gnostics that believed the demiurge was actively malicious. The Valentinian Gnostics just believed the demiurge was imperfect.
>>739391690>>You're saying Buddha will do what's necessary depending on the conditions, he'll act according to his human nature but won't be a slave to it? >humanThis would be considered a conditioned assumption, as the Buddhas "Buddha Nature" is itself transcendental and not categorical, ergo transcending any limitation. Rather, the Buddha continued eating meat because he was to live to spread wholesome truth to others as he was already in Nirvana after sitting under the Bodhi tree, at which point he is no longer 'human' but rather the human is a 'remainder' (this is how its translated) of the Nirvana Gautama Buddha, he thus continued using his body to teach and to travel. >How important is self preservation here? Let's say six Buddhas are stuck in a cave, will they end up killing and eating each other knowing even the last one has no hope of escaping? Or will they let go?There are plenty of mythological as well as IRL examples of such situations, in general there's a few things to remember.1. Good karma and virtuous living avoids these absurd things happening in the first place2. No matter what happens, all can be purified of and evil circumstance cannot 'damn you'. Also, Buddhists don't believe in guilt and understanding the difference between environment and choice is another wisdom to acquire3. In many myths, the Buddhas do actually come up with creative solutions to everything to subvert others 'rules' which are made to be conditioned as to seem as a foil to the Buddhas free unconditioned logic that transcends everything. If not, then often times the Buddha literally predicts the situation ahead of time and fixes it, or asks a local God to help him solve an impossible situation4. Some Buddhas have a very high degree of self control and simply sacrifice themselves as they are not attached to material reasoning. The guy from the RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE album cover sat down and set himself on fire in protest of Christians genociding Buddhists.
>>739391837loosh sounds like fucking zoomer slang, and I will not believe the term existed at all before 2016
>>739392154>Now the archon who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaldabaoth, the second is Saklas, and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, 'I am God and there is no other God beside me,' for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come.This. He literally doesn't know any better.
>>739378569You need more?
>>739379704TES literally is gnosticism too you fucking retard.
>>739392230I don’t want to go to hell for a trillion years drowning in a fight pit full of boiling blood because I said a mean thing on the internet.
>>739392329Not really, TES uses basically all systems in its structure but its 'truth' is more a mix of Buddhism and Hellenist Heroism Apotheosis (Heraclitus)
>>739392016Is it too far fetched to think this shithole is just God's personal Jerry Springer/Truman show never ending marathon? So many mechanisms of systemic cruelty built into seemingly everything. Why is the ruling class cannibalistic pedophiles? Why do barnicles exist that do nothing but torture marine animals? Humpback whales especially will kill themselves if infested with enough barnacles by slamming themselves into sea cliffs because they have absolutely no way to remove those clusters of itchy parasites all over the body unless scraping themselves on jagged seafloor which could leave a gaping open bleeding wound in salt water. What first sin did marine life commit for such horrificly cruel conditions? All this shit just feels so fake and gay, and the cruelest part is it feels like there's no escape apart from death.
>>739378569>it's just gnosticism with the serial numbers still on
>>739391984>Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.What's even more intresting is some archeologists compared Matthew vs Luke. They seem independently made unlike the other 2. They figured the parts they shared must have been the real Jesus and not the writers adding their own things. The above quote made the list of real Jesus.
>>739392338lol thats not Buddhism, the thing with Buddhism is that unless you become literally super-perfect in a way that logically infallible (ergo Nirvanas depiction etc) then you should pursue Nirvana instead of letting life waste you while you just watch. There's no punisher in Buddhism, there's just a problem (Samsara/conditioned behavior) a solution (Noble 8fold Path/Nirvana) and different layers of suck happening because you didn't apply the perfect solution ahead of time enough. Once you do its all gucci, so its better to take an interest in perfection now rather than later when you don't have Buddhas on 4chan telling you what to think
>>739389383>Change and permanacy - perfectYep not a biased take at all. Not like the highest padomaic force as entire assasin cult revolved around it. Lorkhan totally was the good guy for teaming up with the literal devil of conspiracy and deceit, and the devil of backstabbing and lies to trap all the good gods amirite.
It's a standard "Fight against God" plot without actually fighting against God.Now the plotline I am sick of seeing is the "Cycles of reality" one.
>>739389503Rance lore is literally gnosticism with the giant white whale that created the world full of suffering and death cause he was bored and it was funnyThough they did gnostic lore back in the early 90's before it was cool and beaten to death
>>739392608>>>Change and permanacy - perfect>Yep not a biased take at all. Not like the highest padomaic force as entire assasin cult revolved around it. Lorkhan totally was the good guy for teaming up with the literal devil of conspiracy and deceit, and the devil of backstabbing and lies to trap all the good gods amirite.Because it's a Buddhist notionThere's a dialogue about that exact idea happening in this thread like 10 posts above you right now that you can read that outlines the exact logic. Like I'm not shitting you the exact specific existential issue you just described was perfectly answered for you in this exact thread.
>>739392667Most early jrpgs are just gnosticism.
Privation is the boundary condition for individuality. If you don't like it, multiple easy ways out (not even talking death) have been explicated for you.You want the ease of non-dualism with the luxuries of dualism. YOU ARE A GOOF.
>>739392491You can interpret this in many ways. I believe he meant to say that faith will cause division in your life. You really think the Jesus who said the following would be for violence against anything but pure evil?“Love your neighbor as yourself.”— Matthew 22:39“Do to others as you would have them do to you.” — Luke 6:31“Love one another as I have loved you.”— John 15:12“Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.”— Matthew 5:7Jesus never told you to spread his message through violence. I don't want to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure Jesus would've frowned heavily upon the actions of the so called Christians who murdered the Buddhists.
>The whole world is just someone's delusion / fantasy / simulation / dream because of their (extremely bland and common) TRAUMA OOOOOH
>>739392667>cause he was bored and it was funnyGigachad>before it was cool and beaten to deathMoby Dick was doing it back in the 1850s and it was a big influence on Philip K. Dick.
>>739392491With the Epstein files revealing them always being demon worshipping pedophiles since canaan and carthage and the vehement open hatred for Jesus and christian teachings it's quite clear that nothing really new is under the sun. Jesus is King and your savior and shield against very real wordly evil that's gonna ramp up with more and more revealing their true nature as the plastic normie life set up since after world war 2 being chipped away to hell on earth levels in the coming years.
>>739392754I believe he meant* not meant to say
>>739392695The least you could have done was link it alas I am not reading through the entire thread to find it. Going back to Buddhism though, not much difference there to Gnosticism. Both assert the world is evil and untrue, and the only moral thing to do is escape it.
>>739392717What other early JRPGs do that? Only 80's/90's JRPGs I remember off the top of my head with gnosticism are Xenogears and SMT
>>739392754I believe the 'split in the family' was intentional and literal.The Pharisees / Cohen priests were a bloodline nobility (as all nobility), and Jesus strongly opposed them, and I infer that he was against bloodline nepotism supremacy on principle. Whereas yahweh was all about bloodline exclusive favor, further giving evidence that yahweh was not the God that Jesus spoke of
>>739392769Name 5 games where god creates the universe because of their own trauma.
>>739391837Loosh sounds like a Grape Soda.
>>739392407Humanity was (apparently) meant to be the "gardener", the ONE intelligent and utilitarian creature on this planet who would tend to and minimize suffering, essentially turning this world in to as much of a paradise as it could've been.Turns out we got the "sin" DLC which made us make this place worse in almost every conceivable metric. Free will would surely be a lot more fun if the ones with most wealth, power and control weren't such psychopathic freaks with endless hunger, greed and desire for domination.Even African tribes have more nobility and humility than the luciferian freemasonic cult leaders do."Money is the root of all evil" isn't just a figure of speech, it's a literal fact.I don't know what it is, but the second someone realizes that their wealth allows them to:- have anything they want- get away with anything- do almost anything that's scientifically possiblethen they, or their shitty silver-spoon-in-their-ass -born children will inevitably develop a superiority/god complex and see all the less fortunate people as parasitical, stupid and deserving of suffering.Even if terms like "goyim" meant cattle, even cattle is more of a respectable and respected creature than what the absolute demons in their ivory thrones think of the average human.I truly believe that God inhabits every person on this planet, and the reason they (the "elite" want to keep this world suffering is because they're basically flipping a finger at God for making it possible in the first place.
>>739390450>look into the future>”hey, that’s a neat idea”>write it down>destroy the future because you stole itOops.
>>739392667it's not gnosticism, there is literally nothing fake, the god is "evil" but so is the protagonist, nobody is good or bad thereludo created the world to have fun and isn't part of some hidden, superior realm, fucking Gele made a deal with him the same way you'd try to plead your cause to a janny in a MMO to get some special treatmentmore than half of what happens in Ranc's world is pants on head retarded but it does unironically which makes it succeed at leaving a lasting impression (it's also one of the very very few series in videogame history to give an actual reasons for levels that isn't simply a gimmick but a major part of the world)
>>739384398>pic>Oh look at this beutiful place 0.001% will visit in their lives and 0.001% of those will be there for anything but a fleeting vacationI bet you clowns also gawk skyboxes in video games.
>>739393175>"Money is the root of all evil" isn't just a figure of speech, it's a literal fact.Ackshully it's "The love of money is the root of all evil".
>>739392806Call me when Christian’s are Christlike and I may consider your religion.
>>739392997>further giving evidence that yahweh was not the God that Jesus spoke ofI'm not sure I agree on that. I think God wanted to establish himself first in the bloodline of Abraham before he wanted the gentiles to enter the covenant. After all, a house is built by laying down a single brick first.
>>739391381Atheist historians also disagree lmao
>>739393386When the fighting starts and the demons are put to the sword do try not to stab anyone in the back for the 10th time like you always do.
>>739393386Do not doom your own soul over the ignorance of fake Christians, Anon.
>>739393293Not to mention, in that tiny image there are more then a trillion beings (if we're going down to bacterial levels) in some form of suffering or another. Yes, the world can be beautiful nobody denies this but is that worth everything that comes along with it?
>>739392896see>>739388498>>739388945>>739389069>>739390016>>739389950>>739391727>>739390320Also >>739391573
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>>739392491Jesus referenced Micah 7 in his words. Having a family that loves sin vs. those who do not will cause division.
>>739393419Most of them agree that Jesus existed, actually, but feel free to prove me wrong.
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>>739393631Uhh Christians are very arbitrary regarding what 'true' Christianity is, it's why Mormons split off from Reformists who split off from Protestants who split off from Catholics who split off from Orthodoxand all fought over it
I hope the tradcath trend blows over soon. Tired of imageboard degenerates pretending to be men of god.
>>739393701>and all fought over itAnd they are hypocrites for it.
>it's another desert tribe death cult worship thread
>>739393713Jesus himself dined with sinners, for what use does a doctor have to someone who is healthy?
>>739393631i say this and i look like this, except wayyyy fatter
>>739393713Nah it's gonna be full swing when this degenerate house of cards keeps coming down. Centuries of satanic jewish well poisoning will be burned away and a new earth will reign.
>>739393496You're describing the finer detail. What I'm saying is that the end goals are the same. To escape suffering.
>>739393631I’ve spoken to Christians that told me that reading the Bible front to back was bad and that you’re only allowed to read it in disparate disconnected passages removed from their own context. Yeah, I’m not going to take that seriously.
>>739393781Goddamn Americans really do believe they are the center of the world
>>739387474I hate how people now think that stoic means:>Calm person
>>739393781Why do the global rich and powerful worship this to the point of eating babies and raping kids to death? What is the purpose? This isn't for fun, the 13 bloodlines of canaan are real, they take orders from the demons in charge of this satanic shithole.
>>739393869They may be coping that they have low reading comprehension.
>>739393713It's just wiggers. They don't go to mass, they do day trading in their living rooms. They'll fade away, and leave a bad reputation behind.
>>739393713The tradcath thing isn’t real. You know that stat Charlie Kirk popularized that said zoomers go to church more than Millenials. What that stat actually said was that among churchgoing people, Millenials tend to average going to church about 10 times a year while zoomers go about 11 times a year. It’s a manufactured movement.
>>739393781>Adolph (Rothschild) HitlerComplete bull shit lol
>>739393903We don't believe that. We know it. There's a difference.
>>739393843You missed out on the reasons that the edgy 'chaotic' archetypes are on the sides of enlightenment, and the reason is that TES specifically is a critique of Monotheism and is about supporting Polytheist Archetypes, both in how they were but also in how Christians 'brute-force' reinterpreted them into having a Demonic/Occult subtext. The most important one is that Sheogorath is Dionysus, for which you need to read all the books in the SI expansion to get. Ultimately the reason those are exaggerated for the Daedra is the Polytheist religions (and Daedra) represent 'primal, nature centered behavior' while Monotheist (and Aedric) center around society, mortality, laws and 'fealty' to the forces40k also does this in its conflict of Chaos (Primordials) vs the Imperial Truth/Religion and Emperor
>>739393903America has been the center of the world for a while up until very recently.
>>739384224Wow I felt like so many aspects of modern life are terrible and depressing but your reddit data visualization shit proves it all wrong.
>>739393951None of these Nu-stoics would ever be caught masturbating in the marketplace
>>739392769Kino!Honestly I really like this trope from Vannila sky to Seven Psycos.
>>739394064Knowing is just believing real hard
>>739393951They’re stoikes
>>739393798Healthy people can serve as examples of good health. Driving people towards medicine.
>>739384792Even if human experience is based on chemicals it's rather reductive since does it make it any less valuable?It's also a chicken and egg scenario. Does your brain dump chemicals first or after your deeper cognitive faculties interpret the world around it? I'd say the latter, which is important because the more complex way you interpret the world is the basis for the reward your brain gives. >>739384895I agree with this since Fantasy is most of the time just a metaphor for how we perceive reality.
>>739394154>Go suck on some titsHuh?
>>739394241No knowing is finding out what the problem is and acting on the solution, and you can be apart of that solution to end centuries of exploitation, abuse and evil on a global scale makong your life and mine be complete fucking garbage by a bunch of mushroom faced ghoul kid touchers or you can die with them.
>>739393823The poison was for (You)
>>739394315It doesn't really make sense for the savior of mankind to associate himself only with the righteous, because righteous people do not require saving.
>>739394157Wrong school, but I still appreciate the joke.
>>739394413So righteous people need righteous people and people who aren't right. Like a doctor needs healthy people and unhealthy people.
>>739394357The word you are describing is "solving". And I really doubt you are doing that.
>>739393386this, but unironically. i find christ and his views very touching and convincing, but to see future christians amass massive amounts of wealth, construct opulent cathedrals, and participate in extremely violent crusades... his project has been nothing but a failure, it doesn't feel good.
>>739394108>The edgy 'chaotic' archetypes are on the side of enlightenment This is patently false though given that from the little we know of them the aedric aligned altmer have multiple gods ascended from mortality.>TES is a critique against MonotheismYou wot now???>The Daedra represent primal nature while the Aedra do notThe Aedra as beings of order represent facets of nature which benefit society. The daedra as beings of disorder represent facets of nature which are a detriment to society.
>>739393903Its the obsession with evil I always find the weirdest being in the 51st state. Everyone else in the world doesnt try to apply wrestling plots to their reality. Folks think Joffrey from Game of Thrones is based on a real person.
I really liked Dragon's Dogma 1's lore>The ultimate guardian of the world is a regular human who got there through willpower, like Heracles. But he can't stay here forever and he has to be killed by the next strong willed human who will take his place eventually>Humans who lose the fight against him gets turned into a sentient, super powerful dragon with the hidden mission of finding out the next strong willed human>strong willed humans who rise up against the dragon but pussy out against him become immortal and powerful but will die when the dragon is eventually defeated I like the multiple layers, the entire plot is kind of loose but I remember it more than almost every jarpig
>>739393781>gets blasted by radiation>believes to be the chosen onehttps://files.catbox.moe/r506bk.mp4
>>739394787Evil is real, you are coping
>>739394736>participate in extremely violent crusades...The Crusades were defensive wars against encroaching Muslim hordes.
>>739394025>It’s a manufactured movement.Yeah I dunno how people have not picked up on this, it’s an attempt to maintain the status quo via horseshoe for various reasons. Example>Leftist “anti goon” position of porn being anti woman is not working>Try to flip it to right wing position of porn being ungodly
>>739384398>not shown: animals brutally ripping each other apart
>>739394850NOOOO NOT THE PLASMA MAN!
>>739394780>the aedric aligned altmer have multiple gods ascended from mortality.The Aedric aligned Gods are 'lesser Gods' or false ones (as per Mankar Cammoran) who are still in an Anu-Padomaic state except the 'missing God' archetype who is technically Padomaic because hes Lorkhan (mantled by Talos and Pelinal and the Shezzar/Shor who is also Sheogorath)>You wot now???TES's mythos is an apologetics for the religions of Classical Antiquity and West Asia, with Abrahamic concepts in the setting being associated with 'hylicness' or just falsehoods, and any attempts at making monotheism in the setting being a disaster (which was something only attempted by people who were part of the Aedric religions). TES is most explicitly about the Hero Apotheosis, Buddhahood and Gnostic Polytheism, and it flips the idea of Christians exterminating Polytheism on its head, I believe MK explicitly said that this subversion was one of his main pillars when writing TES>The Aedra as beings of order represent facets of nature which benefit societyThere is no system in which 'transcendence' or 'enlightenment' is equated to society, and its exactly that reason that the Aedra (who only deal with the societal, the mundane and the demiurgic aka time) are the 'false Gods'.
>>739385484That’s a really interesting read on the Sefirot and Tikkun Olam. You’re right that in Kabbalah the Sefirot aren’t meant to be “separate gods.” They’re more like lenses or attributes through which Ein Sof (the infinite) becomes intelligible to creation. The whole Tree is about unity expressing itself through multiplicity, and Tikkun Olam is the process of re-integrating the “shattered vessels” back toward that oneness.Where Elden Ring and Yu-Gi-Oh diverge is that they’re re-mythologizing the Tree for dramatic stakes. FromSoftware especially loves flipping Gnostic/Kabbalistic symbolism: the Greater Will/Golden Order maps onto Keter/Chokhmah/Binah as a top-down, rigid hierarchy, and the Law of Regression/Convergence becomes a critique of “unity by erasure.” It’s not claiming Kabbalah itself worships false gods - it’s using the visual language of the Tree to explore what happens when “order” becomes tyranny.So both readings can coexist: Kabbalah uses the Sefirot to describe divine unity unfolding, while Elden Ring uses the Tree to question what we sacrifice when we enforce one perfect pattern. The video you linked digs into that inversion pretty well. Curious what you think about Miquella’s role in that - his whole thing with unalloyed gold feels like another take on Tikkun, but from the ground up.
>>739395339Why do you defend baby eating, kid raping usury practitoners for absolutely no monetary compensation?
>>739395152>autistically screeches you into submission
>>739395390I don't know why do you?
>>739395339Bosniaks exist. You do not want that to be europe.
>>739395439>anon forgets Ancient Greece and Rome existed and were considered superior to Christian Europe up until the 18th century
>>739395424What does that even mean? Do you just assume I'm a trump supporter or something? It's red jew vs blue jew theatrics lmao.
>>739395418>the world began in 2016Oof. The intelligence of the average religious fundamentalist.
>>739395079i don't recall christ advocating for killing people in any situation
>>739395424Sorry for having a greatest ally
>>739388037>Not really because I like it.
>>739395548Millstone around the neck and thrown into the sea for those who defile his little ones. Evil has no room for mercy.
>>739395507>anon thinks the romans and greeks are white
>>739395519Our world began in 2003, but 2007 changed us for the better, and 2014 for the worst. By 2016 the writing was on the wall.
>>739383006The only thing I know is that I wanna fuck Malkuth
>>739393903To deny that the United States is one of the most influential and important entities that has existed in history, comparable with Rome, Egypt and Sumeria, is the height of retardation no matter if you think the US is good or bad. American action, policy and culture has shaped the entire globe for 200 years or better, FAR outreaching its predecessor empires in scale even if not yet in longevity.
>>739395390Christians do. Their masters all eat children.
>>739395249>The Aedric aligned gods are lesser or falseSo like the tribunal? If the only way to "transcend" is to become one of the original founding spirits (Lorkhan in the case of Talo) then is it really transcension?>There is no system in which 'transcendence' or enlightenment is equated to society.Oh but there is. Auriel literally left the blueprint to escape Lorkhans prison to the aldmer before he left. Also kinda interesting that this is the second of the Aedra to have ripped a hole out of the false world as soon as it became possible. Magnus the literal architect flet the moment he saw what lorkhan had in store for the aedra.
>>739395776You only know and speak lies just like your father.
>>739395390Just to spite (You)
>>739395398my sides.
>>739395825Why do priests rape little boys so often?
>>739383006>I challenge a single person on /v/ to give a non-meme explanation as to what Kabbalah actually is.God reveals himself through emanations of His divine form. We understand God by shadows of His wake and each emanation is basically like an elbow or a foot or armpit or something.
>>739395756I would agree 100 years but not 200.
>>739395876Jesuit usurpers that subverted the mother church 700 years ago. What exosts on the vatican now is the same league as the canaanites.
>>739395937>same league as the canaanitesThe ones who invented Christianity in the first place? LOL
>>739395756The most valuable concept America provided to future humanity is the concept of “innocent before proven guilty”, and we only got to that point by seeing how awful the witch trials were.
>>739384224>povertyRelative to the contemporary Wealthy, or relative to previous Poverty?>basic educationNot a universal positive when education is useless >literacydropping hard in the past decades>DemocracyThere are literally ZERO actual democracies in the world, and the republic sham has done as much if not more harm to the average person as monarchies did before>vaccinationnet negative across the board, and directly correlated with the rise of hundreds of unexplained new diseases and ailments>child mortalityThe only real positive on the list, and perhaps not since it has added an undue burden on society to support unfit and unwell children then adults who would or should have passed on
>>739387960>I realized this after reflecting deeply on life with a couple of psychedelic psilocybin mushrooms consumed.And then you killed the entirety of your post with such a simple phrase. You are a mentally retarded person that based your entire sense of self and philosophy on mind altering drugs kek
>>739395954No the ones who created the talmud our of pure spite and hatred for Christ's salvation.
>>739395782>So like the tribunal?Yes, the Chimer-Daedra pantheon was centered on reaching apotheosis very explicitly. No fuss or muss, very explicitly said by the 3 Daedra that guided them that they're there to help them reach Apotheosis and transcendence. The Tribunal betrayed this to get gibs on the Heart of Lorkhan and doomed the Chimer into Dunmer.>kinda interesting that this is the second of the Aedra to have ripped a hole out of the false world as soon as it became possible. Magnus the literal architect flet the moment he saw what lorkhan had in store for the aedra.Yes, because in the games there's 2 versions of the stories. The Altmer version is the only one the claims Lorkhan tricked the Aedra (not the Magna-Ge who are Anuic entities who did not participate) but the rest of the versions of the story claim that the Aedra are happy with what happened and are participating in a 'process' meant to guide things towards future development.Interestingly, Magnus (the Anuic entity that escaped) is the "Sun" and the first monotheistic deities on Earth were 'the Sun' up until Christianity (even Zoroastrianism had its roots in Sun worship, as did Atenism and proto-Mithradism) (yes, Judaism wasn't monotheistic before until much later because they just didnt think about it, and only started becoming Monotheist upon learning about Solar deities, which we have historic proof in the representative contents in which Yahweh was represented as a Solar Deity in places like Ezikiel) which is also one of the reasons I mentioned TES is 'anti monotheism'
>>739396012>ChristYou worship Moloch and are zero self-awareness.
>>739393175Humanity was created by God in His image.The goal of humanity was to be the "High Priest" of Creation, that is, to simply participate in the world and do human things, a form of divine play.However God does not want robots to serve Him, He wants collaborators, He wants His children to be truly in communion with Him. He gives them the faculty of self-determination, the ability to say "no" to what they are supposed to be. God is the Source of Life, Being Itself, Foundation of Being, etc, and thus to say "no" to God is to harm yourself, which is the traditional view of sin (self-harm, missing the mark, injury to one's own nature.)When man says "no" to God, death thus enters the world as a natural consequence, although the pre-Incarnate Christ walked the Garden, asking where the two were hiding (Divine Condescension) so that they can make amends. Adam was fully capable of repenting and preventing the Fall (even after eating from the Tree mind you), but didn't, and thus death was fully solidifed as a reality when he blamed Eve and did not take responsibility for his (and her) disobedience.Money btw isn't the root of evil, it's the fear of death. Although to be more technical, it's pride, because Lucifer fell from Heaven (he left of his own volition, he was not 'kicked out') due to believing he was self-sufficient without God, or that he could be "his own light".
>>739396070Denounce the talmud.
>>739394736Reminder that literally anyone can call themselves anything they want, you not being able to separate a liar from a genuine person, then taking it out on the genuine people is your own failing.
>>739396070have* Although if you possess no self-awareness you cannot be.>>739396108>generic buzzphrase babble from a baby-raping sociopathI would kill you if I met you in person LOL
>>739396143Godless demon lmao. Can't even denounce your fathers own writ kek.
>NOOO HE INSULTED MAGIC SKY DADDY BAN HIM JANNYchristcucks and troons are the same. play the victim card but then cancel anyone who hurts your feefees. don't even try and pretend this thread has anything to do with videogames trannitor.
The demiurge created this thread. I must escape gnosis to escape this thread.
>>739396095Basically, God is our Father and he's the kind of parent that says>be sure to wear a helmet!And when you don't, sin is when you lash out at God for letting you ride the bike in the first place instead of accepting responsibility for the fault of your own actions.
>>739396262Just denounce the talmud it's not so hard.
>>739389069You still missed the point of that anon. What that anon meant was that the other dude just wants to kill himself, but Buddha, Heraclitus and others posit that you will reincarnate endlessly (in buddha's theory, at least you'll come to peace with it and won't be bothered), so his solution by killing himself won't ever bring him happiness.
This is why the easterners are the only ones actually capable of presenting religious or occult mysticism like the biblical Apocrypha, Hermeticism, or Gnosticism Westerners just inevitably fling shit about their gay jew religions and politics every time it's bought up
>>739396328I denounce the talmud and I want to see Israel turned into a glowing crater. Now what?
>>739396095>When man says "no" to God, death thus enters the world as a natural consequenceDeath enters this world, regardless of your acceptance of god.
>>739395979The witch trials were a hoax perpetrated to oust the governor of Massachussets and hurt the influence of the church in the colonies through newspaper manipulation.
>>739396217>desert tribe supporter can only make up random strawmanEvery post must have been typed with your nose.
>>739396331>(in buddha's theory, at least you'll come to peace with it and won't be bothered)HuhThat's not what Nirvana isNirvana is the cessation of Samsara and all related conditioned 'cringe' etcsee >>739390016
>escape gnosis>put the demiurge in a saw trap for his actions>finally get rid of him and this reality is erased forever>everybody lives free in the astral planeheh I'm coming for you snakelion
>>739396067Azura, Mephala, and Boethiah where going to lead them to apotheosis? I seriously hope you're not this gullible anon. Look at those spheres. >The other versions state the aedra are happySkipping an important step there. Even the other version states that the Aedra were tricked. Which is why Magnus immediately fled, implying the Aedra were not made aware of what Lorkhans new realm would entail. Following that we have another two Aedra try and escape, while being opposed by Lorkhan and two daedric princes to boot. The rest of the Aedra have lost the abilty to even communicate with the world so how are we to know how comfortable they are with the way things played out.
>>739396367>>Death enters this world, regardless of your acceptance of god.not trueThere are plenty of belief systems in which death is either an illusion or entirely false and the notion of its existence is just a straight up delusionOrphism, Buddhism, Daoism, Shintoism, Egyptism etc are all believe something similarSimulation theory, Quantum Immortality and solipsism also pose the same notion
>>739378569Because gnostic cults are super common.
>>739396589>>Azura, Mephala, and Boethiah where going to lead them to apotheosis? I seriously hope you're not this gullible anon. Look at those spheres.yes? That's cannon. It's not interpretive or anything, that's just straight up what Morrowind itself says. This was an unambiguous part of the setting and is why Chimer left with Veloth in the first place.https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Psijic_Endeavor
>>739396324So he didn't want robots but if you go against him in any way you get punished for it? Sounds like a fun guy.
>>739396657>https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Psijic_EndeavorHELLO FELLOW CULTIVATORS>>739396681The "Christian" god is the Canaanite pantheon's god of war.
>>739396681>you get punished for it?I live in my dad's house, warm, cozy, and I choose to leave it and go shoot up crack in the cold streets instead.Fuck you dad!
>>739396597>Simulation theory, Quantum Immortality and solipsismAll Intel projects designed directly to stir your brain
>>739396597Our experiences being illusions doesn't mean death doesn't exist, and neither do those religions claim that death itself doesn't exist, regardless of them being able to experience nothing but illusion. They simply don't attach anything to death, nothing.
>>739396681If you go against God then you go against righteousness itself. Do you expect to be rewarded for that?
>>739396681You made him so mad that he samefagged twice haha
>>739396657Anon, one of the cool things about the TES setting is that things are open to interpretation. So for instance when two Gods governing the literal spheres of deceit, conspiracy, betrayal etc come forward telling you they have a plan to empower you you're free to interpret that as you want.
>>739396495>they’re a hoaxSchizophrenic.
>>739396731My dad didn't create crack and the cold streets though.
>>739396795There's plenty of metaphysical and mythological notions rejecting death entirely seeing it as just a delusion stemming from ignorance or inferiority. An example I can give you is in Buddhism, 'death' is considered a category that only exists due to conditioned behavior. To achieve freedom from conditioned behavior (including metaphysics, not just 'personality'), one must truly realize death isn't 'real' at all on any layer, and that the idea that it exists itself is a delusion that keeps a person trapped in cyclical ignorance hoping for a paradox. Once Nirvana is achieved and death extinguished, one intrinsically knows it was never real and just an emergent condition of what is fundamentally 'proto-perfect Buddha nature/Buddha womb' that was simply ignorant of its own perfection.
>>739396839I don't expect anything.
>>739397045Don’t be mean to god bro he’s trying his best (he’s not).
>>739396967>>Anon, one of the cool things about the TES setting is that things are open to interpretationNo this part is completely true and is confirmed in action by both Michael Kirkbride as well as the main quest of Oblivion and the Shivering Isles
>>739397045Indeed, we did.
>>739397049Cyclical rebirth doesn't mean death is inexistent, but simply not a definite end.
Why did ESO have to fuck up the lore?
>>739397169>Cyclical rebirth doesn't mean death is inexistent, but simply not a definite end.No its very explicit that death isnt real and just an emergent illusion stacked upon conditions. The idea is that life is the 'norm' and birth does not define 'life' it can only twist its condition, ergo death isnt real
>>739397041Nope, you're simply ignorant and gullible.
>>739397045You did. Why did you do that, when your dad gave you a warm house?
What if God gains a will only through humans?
>>739397148Kirkbride confirmed that the psjic endeavor would end with a human or mer surpassing a daderic prince? >the main quest of oblivion and shivering islesThe parts where a human allowed its body to be used as a meat puppet by one of the greater spirits?
>>739397289>well recorded historical event>multiple documents extensively detailing every aspect of witches and how to identify a witch>”bruh it’s fake bro”Genuinely retarded.
>>739397159>weI didn't create the cold last time I checked.
>>739392667It's more like a hopeful version of Lovecraft lore than gnositicism. He's like the idiot god Azathoth, kept pacified by lesser gods who eternally entertain him. Except he's not doomed to forever be an idiot, he's just dumb because he's a child. He came into existence and made the world since he was bored, since then he never had any parents or guardians or even any life experiences, he just watches things happen. So he thinks like a baby playing with toys or watching TV, he never had anyone to teach him anything, and has no idea what being alive is like. Once there's someone to teach him right and wrong, and he goes through the experience of being a human, he matures and the world becomes a better placeThe funny thing is that Rance is kind of the same way, he has no parents and never gives much of a shit about what's responsible or what's right and wrong, then a bunch of things happen and he's no longer able to live the free life he once did. And in the end it's his children who save him. Because everyone needs parents. Even god, I guess.The series director is an old man caring for a very elderly mother so maybe it's his own reflection on life.
>>739397241It's the nature of an MMO. Nothing is left to the imagination. Everything has to be turned into raid bosses and pets and ugly ass mounts for paypigs.
>>739397243Death is real, regardless of you being able to see beyond it.
Demiurge here. Just wanted to say “my bad”
>>739397481>>Kirkbride confirmed that the psjic endeavor would end with a human or mer surpassing a daderic prince? Psijic endeavor does imply apotheosis>>the main quest of oblivion and shivering isles>The parts where a human allowed its body to be used as a meat puppet by one of the greater spirits?That's Skyrims DLC, not Oblivion.
>>739397565fuck you man
>>739397503>Anon is seriously, unironically now arguing that witchcraft is real because some old spooks wrote it downAmazingSuperman must also be real, look at all that documentation of his powers and home planet
>>739397537Cold is the absence of heat. More specifically, you experience it when you turn yourself away from a source of warmth.
>>739397559There is no actual 'proof' death exists ergo why its very common for belief systems to outright deny it. Read up on them.
>>739397347"gave" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, anon.Nevermind the fact that we never chose to leave the house. Or do I need to quote Genesis at you?
>>739397681>Or do I need to quote Genesis at you?kekthis is like the death cult believer version of when a woman screams loudly like it does anything
>>739397615>does implyLike I said its open to interpretation, thats the neat thing. Now when I look at itand I notice we don't actually have a single case of of apotheosis occuring. Well I'm gonna interpret.
>>739397664I didn’t say witchcraft was real. I’m saying it’s well documented that the church was interested in witches. No wonder you think the witch trials are fake. You have the critical reading capacity of a lead addled boomer.
>>739397668My plant died today, I will grow another, but it has died. I just proved death exists.
>>739395984And you are too close minded to realize he meant that specific insight, not his general stance. But your entire zoomer generation lacks reading comprehension so it's not your fault.
>>739397758>Now when I look at itand I notice we don't actually have a single case of of apotheosis occuringHuh? We have several cases, both Talos, Mannimaroo and the MC of Oblivion.
why do so many gnostics stop at the demiurge? aren't there beings above him that we also need to kill?
>>739397835>My plant died today, I will grow another, but it has died. I just proved death exists.I swapped your plant with a plastic one while you weren't looking, and also the plant has never and will never experience death because it is a Buddha and realizes that anything that seems like death is it moving without knowing where it is. Like come on dude, at least read peoples writing on the topic.
>>739397667Yep and I didn't create that absence neither did I create an entire race of living beings that would face torment if exposed to that absence.
>>739397854Didn’t the mc of oblivion only become sheogorsth because he was tricked into walking sheogorath’s path to the point where the universe confuses him for sheogorath and as a result becomes sheogorath?
>>739397668>There is no actual 'proof' death exists
>>739397952>Didn’t the mc of oblivion only become sheogorsth because he was tricked into walking sheogorath’s path to the point where the universe confuses him for sheogorath and as a result becomes sheogorath?No, the nature of mantling Sheogorath is itself part of Sheogoraths domain and this is itself a reference to Dionysian Orphism of ancient Greece.
>>739397886The aeons are chill. It’s just that Sophia severely fucked up, but also you are an aspect of Sophia so it’s kind of dumb to hate yourself for creating the conditions to create your own prison.
>>739397854>TalosMantling a greater spirit?>MannimarcoOne of those lesser deities you mentioned?>The MC of OblivionMantling a greater spirit?
>>739397829It's you who doesn't understand what a hoax even is.
>>739397967Describe the event of death from a first person perspective. Any details you have that make 'death' any more real than anything else you'd see in a video game
>>739397924Congrats, you just pointed out how non-existence, cold and evil are emergent realities/epiphenomenon that arise when you turn yourself away from existence/reality.
>>739398026You use hoax like a buzzword. I trust you about as much as a flat earther. Can’t trust an incompetent mind incapable of understanding the context of a few sentences of written text.
>>739398025Talos/Shezzar/Shezzarine is a Padomaic entity not an Anuic one (ergo Talos). Mani is still a God. The Hero is still Sheogorath and ergo embodies Daedric nature. Sheo talks about this in the MQ in case you skipped over it.
>>739398061The cessation of all sensory input.
Found this funny brass giant. What should I do?
>>739397923Replacing a dead person with a perfect living copy doesn't mean it didn't die. But it does show that death doesn't necessarily end things permanently.
>>739398064This shit kinda falls flat when you realize that you have to go back to calling God "The Alpha and Omega". Literally everything begain qith him, and what do you know evil is a part of everything.
>>739397668I don't get how you can argue that death doesn't exist. Maybe your consciousness continues in some for after it, but death of your body and ending of your continued existence in its current form is irrefutable
>>739398141So Manimarco is a true God but the tribunal, Syrabane, Phynaster, Xarxes etc arent?
>>739398205>This shit kinda falls flat when you realize that you have to go back to calling God "The Alpha and Omega". Literally everything begain qith him, and what do you know evil is a part of everything.Read into privatio boni and sub specie boni.
>>739397967You ever see those Christians arguing against Aetheists that seem to think Atheists don't believe in anything they don't have direct physical experience with exists? Those people actually exist and you're arguing with one of them right now. Until you kill them, they will not accept any proof of death's reality.
>>739398175Okay, good to know that I'm dead if I am anesthetized for surgery or in non-REM sleep.
>>739397923>ummm well I teleported and replaced myself with a perfect copy faster than you can see so you actually didn't kill meBuddhism is playground-tier delusional make believe.
>>739398191Hit it with a hammer
>>739398308No. Feel free to continue the discussion we're currently having. I will not be making your argument for you.
>>739398364You don't quite understand the extent of sensory input, do you?
>>739398308Why did you quote his entire post?
>>739398219Because you've never seen it. Re-read the Buddhist interpretation of death (conditioned circumstances fucking up) and realize that if there is a solution to conditioned shit (Nirvana) and that this solution extends to every 'facet' of conditioned existence then death itself isn't actually real, its an illusion of the incompleteness of ones 'Nirvana/Buddha nature'For death to be 'real' in an ontological sense then there would never be a solution to any existential problem because the Achilles heel that carries death with it would always make the whole less than the sum of its parts. This is a paradox, unless there is absolutely no permanent solution to any problem in this universe.
>>739395983>net negative across the board, and directly correlated with the rise of hundreds of unexplained new diseases and ailmentsIf you find yourself agreeing with functionally illiterate drunk soccer moms, rethink your life.
>>739398389>I will not be making your argument for you.You should Google it, because the AI is really good at summarizing it, but cold and evil are not independent things, they're parasites.The analogy is that it's a hole in a shirt, there can't be a hole in a shirt if there is no shirt to begin with.>>739398431Was lazy with the copy and paste.
In the end none of this matters, life is what you make of it and the only thing wjtb lasting value is the legacy you build for yourself. Nobody's going to do it for you.
>>739380113Genuinely too weird and esoteric by modern standards.
>>739398575why should i care about my legacy? i care about myself.
>>739398019they're above me and nothing should be above me or any of my fellow men. we need to fashion the demiurge into a canon and fire it at the aeons
>>739398290they are all explicitly lesser because they're all 'stuck' in Mundus and their 'domain' is stuff thats ONLY true in the context of a limited (Anuic) worldsee>>739395249>There is no system in which 'transcendence' or 'enlightenment' is equated to society, and its exactly that reason that the Aedra (who only deal with the societal, the mundane and the demiurgic aka time) are the 'false Gods'.Sheogorath explicitly says that Daedra are beyond time, and that time (and other Aedric domains) only apply to 'mortals' and Anuic entities. Same with Mannimarcos domain of 'zombies' and Xarxes of history etc etc... All of them are only relevant in limited normal worlds while the Daedra inhabit a much more volatile, unlimited existence.
>>739398608Indulge in unchecked hedonism, chase pleasure, die and be forgotten then, no one is stopping you.
>>739398508>unless there is absolutely no permanent solution to any problem in this universeThere is absolutely no permanent solution to any problem in this universe
>>739382745People on 4chan will tell you it's "God but evil" but that's a misunderstanding.The fundamental idea is that everything is one with God, including yourself, and you are literally God. "Well I don't feel like God, I feel like a nerd" you say. God is infinite and non-dual and in order to experience anything meaningful, God needs to essentially create islands of consciousness where it lacks omnipotence. IE souls. These souls are essentially God forgetting He's God in order to contemplate the only thing that exists (God). Well these beings can emanate lesser souls as well in much the same manner, so you end up with a hierarchy of consciousness, like how your own brain is made up of neurons.Long story short, one of these high level souls wanted to understand God, so they manifested a simulated universe controlled by an omnipotent being. This omnipotent being was a projection of their own concept of God. However, being that they were not omnipotent, they lacked the bandwidth to create an accurate projection of God. So the result was a total disaster, a being that, within the simulation, was all-powerful over the simulation, but which lacked the true qualities of God. And basically you are part of this divine simulation, and you're kind of trapped here. The only way to escape is to realize it's an illusion and wake up. Of course, there is nothing to really wake up to, since all that exists is consciousness itself. So you're basically just imagining you're stuck in a magical prison called the Universe because you have nothing better to do for eternity. But supposedly there's a better way of using your eternity.
>>739398510There is an illiterate drunk soccer mom, a pedophile, a murderer and a nigger who all believe every single thing you do.
>>739398368see >>739398508>>739398685That question is literally the topic of this very thread nigga, what do you think topics of 'gnosis' 'enlightenment' 'nirvana' were about in the first place? There absolutely are permanent solutions and they are what all of these transcendental arts are pursuing in the first place
>>739398364your consciousness is effective dead while under anesthesia, it is disconnected from your body
>>739398549Well you would subscribe God to be the shirt and everything behind it. Evil has to come from somewhere. I know you guys like to cop out and say we created it but we were created by God, and if he created us with the capacity for evil...well you get my point.
>>739398780That still ain't death nigga
>>739398685>There is absolutely no permanent solution to any problem in this universeThis. Real enlightenment is not just accepting the eternal problems of the universe, but enjoying and appreciating them as a part of the whole.
>>739398508what happens to people when they die of old age then, bro? where are all these people who didn't apparently die
>>739398823>Evil has to come from somewhereCorrect, a "hole" or disorientation in something good.>God, and if he created us with the capacity for evil...well you get my point.Correct again, we were given autexousion.You were given the ability to say "no", to do evil, or orient towards privation/death.
>>739398751What's the solution to everything? 42?
>>739398641And necromancy isnt one of those things?>Same with manimarcoKek, nevermind. We'rent you using him as an example of apotheosis a couple of posts agao? So the only confimed cases we have are where characters literally embodied and mantled God's
>>739398823If you create children and raise them with all the best knowledge, advice and support, and they choose to do the opposite, does that make you evil?Or are you arguing that we should have all been puppets dancing on strings instead, and that would objectively be good?
>>739398958>where are all these people who didn't apparently diePosting in this thread
>>739398690>And basically you are part of this divine simulation, and you're kind of trapped hereSo am I just an emanation from the demiurge? I always thought that other higher level emanations like the demiurge just got caught and got trapped in his material realm, and we're the same as the demiurge, but got dumbed down and retarded due to being stuck in the material plane.
>>739398672no thanks
>>739399015just fucking write your 200 word manifesto please, in plain english
>>739398823Evil comes from God. God is non-dual. But it also isn't evil as God experiences it, because God is one with all, thus is both the victim and victimizer, hence why God is perfectly just. Suffering is merely another texture within existence no different from happiness. You can in fact choose what you experience existence as. Buddhist monks can be perfectly calm as they are set on fire. That is the ultimate freedom, to choose whatever texture of existence you want, for eternity. A perfectly still pond is harmonious, but not very interesting. Introduce a ripple, and it becomes less harmonious but more interesting. Every particle in the universe is a vibration (according to Quantum physics) and your consciousness is a series of intersecting ripples of unimaginable complexity.
>>739398751>There absolutely are permanent solutionsProve it>100,000 years of "philosophy" and "religion" and still no provable solutions to anything ever
>>739385843he wasn't the lead writer and he wasn't on drugs sadly
>>739398958>what happens to people when they die of old age then, bro?You haven't experienced pre-birth or post-death consciousness so how can you even say death is real you stupid mongrel. You're just refusing to interact with the argument by saying "the bodies don't move so they're dead lmao", engaging in absolute materialism, when you haven't even defined consciousness and what constitutes in "you". Mouthbreathers shouldn't try to engage with philosophy.
>>739398993You're intentionally missing my point. God created everything. The very concept of evil, or the hole in the shirt would've had to be created by him, intentionally.
>>739399143The problem is entropy. Nothing is immune from eventually decaying into non existence.
>>739399009The thread mentioned the reason for this several times (its personal etc) when mentioning Buddha or Gnosticism or Kabbalah etc>>739399013>>And necromancy isnt one of those things?All Daedra are inherently Immortal and thus immune to necromancy ergo yes
>>739396589>Azura, Mephala, and Boethiah where going to lead them to apotheosis?I mean they led the Velothi to where Lorkhan's heart was, so yeah they did that. At the very least, Vivec, Almalexia, Sotha Sil, Voryn Dagoth, and Indoril Nerevar all achieved apotheosis. The "trick" to it is that, even though the tribunal killed Nerevar, in the end they are all doomed to be slain by Nerevar. Like the intro of Morrowind says while Azura is talking, "many fall, and only one remains". The apotheosis of Nerevar is the whole reason the plot happens and the entire goal of the game is to mantle the god Nerevar by walking his way
>>739398672Even if you do something "notable", you'll be swiftly forgotten unless whatever you did was revolutionary in an area that has wide enough appeal. If you have kids, by the time you're a great-grandfather your latest descendants likely won't give a shit about you, with bad enough luck that'll happen with your own children after you pass away because you became old, ill and were considered a burden.in your later years. Whether you spend your life chasing fleeting pleasures or not, if you're an every man, life is mostly suffering while you're alive and quickly fading into obscurity as if you never were never there after you take your last breath.
>>739399162>You're intentionally missing my point. God created everything. The very concept of evil, or the hole in the shirt would've had to be created by him, intentionally.I'm not missing your point, I am completely affirming what you're saying, the issue is you seem to think free will is bad and that evil is a created thing.Evil is not a created thing, it's purely an epiphenomenon of autexousion.
>>739399154how about reading a couple posts up, I literally said>Maybe your consciousness continues in some for after it, but death of your body and ending of your continued existence in its current form is irrefutable
>>739399078Bro niggers aren't real these are all robots don't you think its weird how you want to say things you know you're thinking but no one is letting you write them :^) Its a fucking simulation nigger most of this worlds population is NPCs and the world is just an incubator/simulation for a really "fucked up" alien grade school that (You) the reader are part of
I am, indeed, the center of the universe and will derrail as much threads as i can and make the site less interesting for their users, simply for my personal enjoyment ;) see you later, cucks!
>>739398690Sounds like Scientology's Thetaverse
>>739399014Like I said, God created evil. Made it tempting for us, and then punishes us when we fall to it. In what what are we not puppets? Because we get the chance to chosse between thing that won't have me ending up suffering for eternity and thing that will?
>>739399143You ask me this now nigger the thread is in its bump limit and already on page 5 just read the stuff about Buddhism, then read up on stuff like the Philosophers Stone, Greek Apotheosis and all the paradoxes of Solipsism and you should be done in like a week
>>739399143a german guy who's really, really bad at selling milk did it over a century ago
>>739381568Refuted by Marcion.
>>739399283utter schizobabble
>>739399269If your consciousness "continues after it", then your body isn't you, it was never you. The continued existence of the moving body will never be you, so there can't be any "death" of "you". It can't die anyway, because it was always just a moving "thing that is not the self", it just stopped moving.
>>739399018The demiurge is as much a projection of you as you are of it. Consider what your idea of God is, is He wrathful? Benevolent? Realize that this is a projection. You are not enslaved to a demiurge. You are co-creating it.
>>739399162Evil is merely the deprivation of good, it has no ontology.
>>739399283>don't you think its weird how you want to say things you know you're thinking but no one is letting you write them :^)alright I need to hear more about this, how are the alien grade school teachers preventing us from forming thoughts into words?How do we acquire the intergalactic hall pass that lets us whip our thoughtforms out into words
>>739399373>by MariconWho?
>>739399185Human scale is far too small to make that assumption. There are Jellyfish who never technically die and solved the problem of cell degradation. We do not know if this universe has a mechanical way of creating more energy and matter endlessly. Our assumption that everything MUST decay and disappear is the direct basis of the Big Bang theory, and so far that theory has not panned out nearly as well as we hoped as new observations and corrections to old assumptions about observations keep dismantling the idea that everything has a definite beginning and end.
>Thread about Gnosticism turns into schizobabbleLike clockwork
>>739399084>can be perfectly calm as they are set on fireI can guarantee you that they are not. The may be able to bear it better then others but they feel every single second just as we do.
>>739399402>The demiurge is as much a projection of you as you are of itWow that's why he's such a fag. God damnit I'm gonna choke him into the material plane when I ascend and go beyond the veil. I know I'll be just doing that to myself, but I deserve it.
>>739399441This site is way too gay for the real deal (Non duality).
>>739399253Your legacy isnt necessarily just being remembered, if your children continue you line unbroken into the future they are your legacy regardless of whethher or not your name is attached to it.
>>739399264What is evil, anon?
>>739399408If any kind of non-materialism exists its already occupied by ayys and ergo whatever you're seeing is either decided by it or affected by it. The chances of the material world existing without anyone being able to modify it are 0 ergo the paradox is that, if consciousness/the mind exists, and so does the world, the reason that its so difficult to terraform it actively is that its a simulation. Why? because the Ayys would be more self aware than any human in human history ever was and ergo would subvert everything. Ergo its either a grade school or a concentration camp. There's no uncertianty because itd be utterly absurd that humanity's only interaction with the universe was to just use pickaxes and cook water.
>>739399427The man that invented the gospel.
>>739399394lmao you're literally trying to redefine the meaning of death>Death is the irreversible cessation of biological functions that sustain a living organismThe definition of death is literally biological death. You're going to have to describe things better in the future, add consciousness to the fucking sentence
>>739399459They have completely changed their relationship with pain. They recognize pain as sensations, and sensations as thoughts. They have spent years analyzing their own thoughts and are able to remove themselves from them selectively.
>>739399427imagine unironically speaking Sp*nish. my condolences.
>>739399404What is good?
>>739399331>Like I said, God created evil. Made it tempting for us, and then punishes us when we fall to itWhat evil, exactly, did God create?The classical vices? God created alcohol? No, we invented that from his fruits.God created murder? No, we invented that when Cain killed AbelGod created theft? No, we created that when the brother stole the birthright from brother.
>>739399535>What is evil?Nothing.Good that should be there.Misalignment of good.A parasite of good.Non-being.Death.Entropy.Non-existence.
>>739399441It is paradoxical to have a world with just a little amount of mentalism yet for it to be as decayed as planet Earth actually isErgo this is a simulationand if its not a concentration camp, its a grade school.Prove me wrong
>>739399507What's the point, then? Making more middle class slaves to the system who'll probably suffer from autism and other inherited issues my own parents cursed me with? That'd just be cruel. The vast majority of people shouldn't be allowed to breed.
>>739399590>>739399612God created the very concept.
>>739399702>anti natalist retardHoly kek
>>739399616And this exists outside of the light of God?
Why are Yahwehists so dumb and black or brown /v/?
>>739399379Could you imagine that spirituality exists and the entirety of life was just shitposting about it on 4chan with people still unsure if some jew from 2000 years ago 'saved' us through an invisible intergalactic post-death portal and literally nothing else? How retarded would that beIf there's a little magic there's a lot of it. If you don't believe me, touch your left temple with your right index finger willingly right now, and tell me why you cant Giga Drill Break the fuck out of here right now.
>>739399570>lmao you're literally trying to redefine the meaning of deathActually, the real problem was that you and the other anon before me didn't agree on what "death" meant. Its not that one party is trying to define what death is or not, there's no bad faith, its just that you two never agreed on a definition.The dude that says that death is not real means death as in cessation of the self, not as in cessation of biological function that sustains an organism. He disagrees entirely that an organism can be alive or dead, because the self is what matters, and impermanence is the natural state of things, there being absolutely no difference for the self if the body it is currently following is alive or dead.You on the other hand is just arguing about the material side of things, as in, dying means the body stops working (and not mattering where the consciousness goes after that, the fact that the body is dead means theres a de facto death here).You two simply aren't speaking the same language.
>>739399436The jellyfish example fails because they are a part of the larger system of Earth, so on the grand scale they have not solved the problem of decay.> Our assumption that everything MUST decay and disappear is the direct basis of the Big Bang theory, and so far that theory has not panned out nearly as well as we hopedThe Big Bang does not, and has never claimed to be the beginning of the universe, it is merely a model for its possible expansion after creation. The “assumption” that everything natural decays comes from our understanding of the laws of matter and energy, which have yet to be disproved on a scientific level.
>>739399394My soul possessing a new body doesn't mean I didn't die
>>739399801Sadly a lot of Atheist hold on to their Christian/humanist morality
>>739399724"Concept" is a descriptor and pointer of a thing and its associated ontology (or lack thereof.)Not the 'thing' itself.
>>739399902Certainly not in East Asia
>>739399894The other soul is still you, right? So you didn't die. Even if there are no memories, memories aren't part of the immutable self if they don't come along. What happens to the body is just the nature of impermanence of things.
>>739399902True. If only they adopted master morality. BTW have I told you how great Israel and the Jewish people are?
>>739400001But did my body die? Therefore death exists.
>>739399852>it is merely a model for its possible expansion after creationIt is a model of the universe expanding from a singular point of infinite density. That IS a creation myth, and nonsense of the face of it.
>>739399819I'm sorry man, but I'm only on schizo level 5 while you're speaking like someone who's closing in on 20. I have a hard time understanding what the fuck you're talking about. I do not know what you know, or what you're thinking. Why are you talking like I know those things? Spell things out for me, talk to me like I'm 5 years old
>>739399774>existsIs a hole in a shirt a thing unto itself, or simply a shirt that is lacking in some capacity?
>>739399763What? I said "the vast majority", if anything I support eugenics. Most people are incredibly dysgenic, and it's them and the retards who have the most kids because they don't know better. Superior individuals (little to none congenital problems, good looks and physique) should be the only ones having kids and replace the old population. I don't see the point in defending the majority of the planet when we're subhuman by any decent standard.
>>739400039Refer to this >>739399837
>>739399536>If any kind of non-materialism existsyeah but what if it doesn't?This sounds like an immaterial universe version of the Fermi paradox, except we have no reason to believe anything besides materialism exists, so the odds-based arguments about other beings that do xyz aren't even relevantI mean, I might as well say there's a third form of existence that's called extramaterial, and a fourth one as well called supermaterial, etc. etc. and instead of dualism we have pluralism, oh but not infinite pluralism there's exactly 283 forms of existence, because why notAnd why shouldn't it be the case that this universe is the one running simulations? Maybe they're happening somewhere far away, some alien species messes with the other forms of existence because it's easier to affect them than other places in our own reality, with its vast distances and fixed speed of light. And we're just some obscure species in another galaxy they don't even know about.> itd be utterly absurd that humanity's only interaction with the universe was to just use pickaxes and cook water.I mean 99.9% of the universe has no interaction with the rest of the universe, so maybe you're just taking pickaxes and boiled water for granted
>>739400039How would you know its your body dying and not transforming?
>>739399996>Certainly not in East AsiaThey are under the control of Marxism (Stalinist and trotskyist) check birth rates
>>739400109Transformation is death. It's the death of what was.
>>739399968>>739400062Well he would've had to have created the thing itself seeing as everything supposedly stems from him. Unless you're impling that he is not all encompassing
how do you know you're not dead right now, have you ever died before?I remember hearing this in some youtube seminar closer to 10 years ago now, but I can't find it for the life of me
>>739400068Eugenics is fine as long as its not some kind of state mandated shit. I dont trust something as incompetent as government to be making those decisions.
>>739400062Can you poke a hole in God if he does not will it?
>>739400062>Is a hole in a shirt a thing unto itself, or simply a shirt that is lacking in some capacity?The possibility of a hole existing was allowed by God himself.
>>739400121>muh birth ratesThey're comparable to most developed Christian nations in Europehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate#Country_ranking_by_most_recent_yearTradcuck Hungary and Poland have rates of 1.50 and 1.31 respectively.You fell for a meme.
>>739400107>>This sounds like an immaterial universe version of the Fermi paradox, except we have no reason to believe anything besides materialism exists, so the odds-based arguments about other beings that do xyz aren't even relevantThe mind can observe the mind though. This isn't a paradox but rather the basis of all self awareness and the ability to intercept ones own free will is the nature by which even Descartes realized 'shits fake'>I mean, I might as well say there's a third form of existence that's called extramaterial, and a fourth one as well called supermaterial, etc. etc. and instead of dualism we have pluralism, oh but not infinite pluralism there's exactly 283 forms of existence, because why notThe 2 terms in question do have a specific nature in mind. Mentalism is defined by an absence of limit in this case, and if so, a giant house or mountain would never stop you>And why shouldn't it be the case that this universe is the one running simulations? Maybe they're happening somewhere far away, some alien species messes with the other forms of existence because it's easier to affect them than other places in our own reality, with its vast distances and fixed speed of light. And we're just some obscure species in another galaxy they don't even know about.If mentalism is true, then matter doesn't exist at all ergo its impossible for such a situation to occur as it is right now. Meaning it has to 100% be a sim.>> itd be utterly absurd that humanity's only interaction with the universe was to just use pickaxes and cook water.>I mean 99.9% of the universe has no interaction with the rest of the universe, so maybe you're just taking pickaxes and boiled water for grantedBut how easy is it to simulate such an idea? Remember, you live in the age of the internet and video games, not in the middle ages. Its very likely those never truly existed.
Problem with Christianity it lacks the divine feminine unless you count Mary who is hardly in the story.
>>739400154Most spiritual systems see transformation as a method of exploration, not of discarding, ergo not of death but rather of play. Similar to a chess boards many games none of which need be forgotten, each of which means something
>>739400271Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, Church of the East?
>>739400042>It is a model of the universe expanding from a singular point of infinite densityYes, not the creation of that point of singularity, thanks for agreeing.> That IS a creation myth, and nonsense of the face of itAnd now you’re disagreeing yourself. By all accounts of scientific and deductive reasoning the universe is a created thing, there’s no refutation of this that doesn’t spin off into mysticism.
>>739400221Yes but after ww2 jews set up a system where both systems are controlled by the jews to make goyim into a bunch of slaves that why every developed nation has negative birth rates expect israel because they dont drink their own poison.
>>739400280Your problem is you have zero proof, nay even evidence,of any existence of any form after physical bodily death.It's pure fantasy
>>739400271Who the hell would want a divine version of something as temperamental as a woman that sounds like a cosmic horror show just waiting to happen.
>>739400394technically there's no proof of anything :^)
>>739400409>a divine version of something as temperamental as a woman that sounds likethe Old Testament
>>739400394>Your problem is you have zero proof, nay even evidence,of any existence of any form after physical bodily death.Nor any proof of the opposite. Checkmate atheists.
>>739400368>by all accountsWhat accounts? If we use Occams razor its much easier to say that the universe is eternal then to say that the universe isnt eternal but it was created by an intelligent being who is.
>>739400435Now you have retreated in to absurdist rhetoricSounds like concession.
>>739400409Fertility Love and motherhood as basic aspects of life that need to be projected to continue our existence.
>>739400280Adding still discards a past form that had less. You can't add something and say it's the same.
>>739400457God isnt temperamental in the Old Testament. The Jews literally cannot stop disobeying him and getting their shit rightfully pushed in.
>>739400435That's uncientific. Give me the peer reviewed source of your claims.
>>739385882Mergo's Wet Nurse is literally what it sounds like. Yharnam died in the birthing process and Mergo was stillborn and now only exists in a dream. So the Wet Nurse cares for the infant in a dream until one day it possibly grows into an adult Great One. We basically commit a post-birth abortion on indirect orders of the Moon Presence who is ostensibly hunting a rival.
>>739400573Not true. Chess players tend to remember their games, and each game played contributes to skill improvement in memorizing moves and board states
>>739399014>Or are you arguing that we should have all been puppets dancing on strings instead, and that would objectively be good?We already are, retard.
>>739390448Id play the fuck out of this game. Side note, I had no idea who Hassan was at the time. In retrospect I want this fight more than anything.
>>739400595>Jews literally cannot stop disobeying himGood Yahweh is an annoying fag who want me to cut my penis
>>739400513Do you have any proof of that?
>>739400607I can remember dead things. They're still dead.
>>739400630Proof? Do you have any source for this?
>>739400601Im just not sure how we were supposed to know that, especially the rivalry.
>>739400561Sounds cute, but do you habe any proof?
>>739400394>It's pure fantasyProof?
>>739400746Its intuition only. The Moon Presence only progresses the night when you get closer to Mergo, and Gherman only declares the Nightmare over after you kill it. So clearly the Moon Presence wanted to get rid of Mergo for whatever reason. Rivalry is one possibility among many others. Perhaps even sympathy, for it being a stunted forever crying infant or something.
>>739400271Divine feminine has yet to ascend. That is why women are so uppity lately. There is always turbulence before events like these.
>>739399724Proof of this?
>>739400504> If we use Occams razor its much easier to say that the universe is eternalThis would go against the laws of matter and energy and the fact that the universe functions under causality. Using occam’s razor plus our knowledge of the limitations of created, causal, and natural things actually suggests a creator. Irrational skepticism or sophistry is the only way out for ardent naturalists.
>>739400842What happens if a divine feminine does ascend
>>739400738NTA but you are literally a puppet of your desires, emotions and base instincts, all of which can be manipulated not only by external factors, but internal as well, and who is to say "someone" isn't putting thoughts in to your head?
>>739400842Any proof for your claims? Huh? No? Yeah, i thought so.
>>739400910we have the prefrontal cortexcheckmate.
>>739400894>>This would go against the laws of matter and energy and the fact that the universe functions under causality.if its a simulation then none of that shit is true nigga
>>739400935How exactly does that prevent any of the things I listed?
>>739400902Gods reproduce and we are absolutely fucked
>>739400221>comparableYou realize China, South Korea, and Japan are close to a TFR of 1 right? 1 is comparable to 1.5 to you? China alone is fucking 140 times the population of Hungary and TFR is not a per-capita stat, it's literally births PER woman.
>>739400910How do you know i have desires? And How you don't know that im (you are) actually the only person having thoughts and the rest of the people are hallucinations? The experience of you "thinking" and the experience of "putting thoughts in your head" would be identical.
>>739400595>Im going to need you to kill your son
>>739399894Any proof of this?
>>739400902Since the Divine spirit of Man already ascended to the Father in the form of Jesus, we would have complete Divine union of masculine and feminine. This is always the beginning of a new cycle.
>>739400983it goes against basic instincts
>>739400842It isn't really talk about but in Mormonism they have a Heavenly Mother along side a Heavenly Father.
>he believes in evolution
>btfo>spends the rest of the dying thread absolutely melting down and sperging about itwow
>>739401078Proof of this?
>>739401006>south koreaIs the most christkiked country of the three. The TFR of Japan and China is comparable to the great majority of developed European nations which are also below replacement level.Constant growth in the population is not sustainable and not doomsday. The population with stablize in both nations eventually. You fell for a meme.
>>739401114neurological science
>>739400271wasn't holy spirit feminine early on?
>>739401078but it doesn't prevent them from influencing you at allhundreds of decisions a day are affected simply by your "wants", even if those wants are something you don't "want", like bad tasting foods that are good for you
>>739400986How do you know this? I need a source on that one.
>>739400950If the universe is a simulation then you actually do not have the required presuppositions to determine what’s true and what’s not. In other words, a being in a simulation has no basis for believing they’re in a simulation because they have no evidence for the “true” world. It’s a self-defeating “theory” born out of science fiction novels.
>>739401148and it's not doomsday if the population declines*
>>739401153Proof of that too? How do you know it's true?
>>739401187>>If the universe is a simulation then you actually do not have the required presuppositions to determine what’s true and what’s notthats only if its a concentration camp meant to torture peopleit could be an educational simulation
>>739401204it came to me in a dream
>>739401158>but it doesn't prevent them from influencing you at allyeah, but unlike animals, we can say "no" to these.an animal can't die for an abstract idea
>>739401061There isn't, my soul is actually in control of many bodies.
>>739401232Proof that that's what happened?
>>739401269it's in my will, you're going to have to kill me for it to be released
>>739401245Proof that there are bodies and souls? How do you know there are?
>>739401314What's a will? And how do you know that that's even a thing? Do you have any proof?
>>739401317There isn't, and I'm still accepting it as my own reality.
Little by little, one by one, lets damage the Demiurge/Satan/Saturn/Set/Yaveh/Yaldabaoth/Ahriman/TyphonIf all anons work together we can do it
>>739400379israel's fertility rate is being carried by the haredi and arabs lol. secular jews have a fertility rate below replacement level
>>739401375There you go :) just being sure you got it all under control, cheers
>>739401238>an animal can't die for an abstract ideayes they can, animals are constantly deciding against their better judgement, dying for reasons like their babies, friends, anger, curiosity and experimentationAnimals can even commit suicide.You talk like animals are robots and humans aren't, but both are just as susceptible to their desires, needs and arbitrary situational impulses
>>739401365I just willed you to forget this conversation happened
