Deltarune Chapter 5 is coming in 2027
>>739382740>an ancient evil awakens
>>739382740Kill Toby fox
>>739382740Deltarune's ending will suck and everyone will complain about it for a week or two before forgetting.
>>739382740Chapter 5 is already content complete, this will only affect 6+
it's generally rare to migrate a project(unfinished game) to a different version of the tools you're already using
>>739383679And yet, Toby-sama...
>>739383662I just want to know how his fever dream ends, it's probably going to be trippy and incoherent more than outright bad
>died to shadow mantle 20+ times on replay>one-shot knight without even having to use dr. gaster's wacky reset with a revive mint to spareWere the nerfs really that bad?
>>739382740There is zero (0) reason Toby would delay the release of Chapter 5 for this. That's not how this works. It's been in Q&A for weeks at this point and is probably ready to go. There's no reason to update the engine now. It can be put in while they're making the next chapters. Thinking otherwise is pure doomposting and reveals a lack of understanding of game development.
>>739383886shadow mantle is a departure from regular gameplay so it makes sense. Also the sword tunnel nerf might seem small but removing those 2 pixels actually made a massive difference.
>>739383974>and is probably ready to go.LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAnon, you're gonna be waiting until at least July
>>739383886The only part of the Knight fight that was nerfed was the bullshit hitboxes on the sword attacks that used to hit you without you even touching the lines
>>739383679He already did that before and he will do it again.
>>739384180I could see it being "ready to go" in the sense that somewhere in a vault exists chapter5.exe that can be played to completion on PC with no issues"Ready to go" as in ready to launch on every platform simultaneously, probably not
>>739383886I think I died to Eram equal amounts than the Knight in my first playthrough. It's harder to get good against it versus the Knight which is far more predictable.
>>739384209That was midway through 3+4's development and was a necessary thing they were counting on because Toby is a bad programmer and the project would have collapsed under its own weight if it was all one project like a normal video game
>>739384180The game itself being ready to go does not mean it is ready for release. As Toby has explained multiple times, there are other things to prepare after the game is ready and he already gave an estimated :second half of 2026" release date.
>>739382740Why would they drop the testing when the chapter is already working? If anything, this is bad news for ch6 and 7, but we already knew they were going to have to update gamemaker for future chapters so this is nothingThat being said, I wouldn't put it past Toby to do something retarded like delay ch5 for this
>>739384314I wonder, couldn't he just release every chapter as its own game and link up the data between them or something?What we have now is a glorified chapter launcher anyway. Switching between chapters takes just about as long as closing the game and booting it up again.
>>739384314Yeah, I only expect this to affect 6 and 7, but that shit is only coming out in 2029 at the earliest anyways, so...
I'm really looking forward to the Nintendo Direct in June, it's gonna be a win-win regarding Deltarune. If it actually appears in the Direct and a release date is revealed, that's great. If it doesn't appear, then people here are gonna complain about it taking too long and Toby being a cunt for keeping everyone in the dark, which is gonna be very funny to see, so it's still good.
I WANT CHAPTER 5 FUCKING NOW
>>739384840Don't worry boss. My insider source tells me it's coming out this month
>>739384840Just wait a bit longer. Just WAIT.
>>739384821What if there's no direct?
>>739386161THEN THE WORLDWAS COVEREDIN DARKNESS
How hard would scream kino if this happened
>>739384289>unironically calling the shadow mantle "Eram"you've been mindbroken by game theorists
>>739386161Same as the second scenario, people cry, which is funny.
>>739386483>glares at you coldlyBullshit. She should be in 200% Mad mode - the polar opposite of Sans's "ran out of almost all fucks to give" attitude.
>KRIS! WAIT!!!!>CALL OFF YOUR [Hochi Mama!]!!!>[I can do anything!]!!>I'LL [freaking] SUCK YOUR [Rooster]!>YOU WANT ME TO EAT YOUR [crappy deals]? >I'LL EAT YOUR [crappy deals] FOR PEOPLE ALL [Around the world, around the world] TO SEE!>JUST STOP HER!!!!!!
>>739387232I think it's a reference to this
>>739386161>>739386297https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ZCzBhIRzo
>>739386503What am I supposed to call them, then? Secret boss number 3? They aren't even the actual mantle, just holding it.
>>739386483What if instead of Susie getting mad and giving you a cool fight she just gets really sad and hurt and leaves
>>739389409That would actually be more in character to her, so congratulations anon, you're smarter than 99% of this fandom
>>739386483Honestly there have been so many fan concepts of this that I would just think "the fans got something right for once"
>>739389409this should be obvious to everyone because that's effectively what happens when lancer 'betrays' her in ch1 her anger is just a front, and i'd wager that the only reason she was initially hostile was because she had only known him for a few hours tops if it were kris or ralsei she's likely skip over the hostile part unless she or someone else was physically in danger
>>739389409>>739389461Technically the more canon accurate is (you) one shotting her and Ralsei
>>739389409>>739389461>>739390295I think it depends on how it happens. The fate of the world is at stake this time around, she wouldn't just walk away because her feelings were hurt. Even if she does that at first reveal, she'd have to fight him eventually. I doubt she'll be able to talk no jutsu Kris into switching sides
>>739390341god I fucking wish
>>739390860kris is already very hesitant and uncomfortable with the idea of susie and ralsei getting hurt, the only question is how far will kris go before he thinks it's too far
>>739391146I will despise him even more if he does some half assed betrayal. Either go all the way or not at all
>>739389409Would be gay and lame so it's probably more likely
>>739391142Believe in Mantle.
People meme on the bird for being a dumbass but that man would actually become a hero if shit actually hit the fan. Unlike many others.
>>739391898We all love Berdly here.
>>739391898hero more like chicken nuggets
>>739387458that was Susie in a world where you don't exist so really she was staring off into space coldly
>>739393087The fuck you mean stare into space? It's either referring to YOU in the vessel or Kris
>>739393310that's just what it looked like from our perspective, but if you look at the crystal in your hand, you see right through your handI buy into the theory that it relates to what the one goner said in Undertale about a world where you don't existThink about it, you're Susie's only real friend and without you she would be a cold hearted bitch like she was at the beginning
>>739393564we already have enough evidence to suggest that kris was already fond of susie before ch1there is an argument to be made that kris and susie would've eventually become friends even without (you) getting involved or the dark worldit likely just would've taken longer
>>739393087I believed this before 3 and 4, but the new dialogue don't make sense with this interpretation.
>>739393564You mean, through the crystal, you see a world where Susie and Kris never became friends so you see a mean pre ch1 version of her?Idk, most people think the crystals just show some future event like that one that says Noelle whispered something close to you.I think it shows events that happened on a previous run Kris did before we came along. One where he did the weird route on his own, or rather, he did what the prophecy actually intended to happen.
>>739395302Sex with that Kris.
>>739383886I dont think its because of big nerfs, i had the same experience even before the knight was nerfed. I think its just that the fight is disproportionally easier on a replay after you already managed to beat it once
>>739395637The Knight isn't that hard as long as you plan well. If you know to give Mantle to Susie, spam Rude Busted and that Kris doesn't get swooned so he's the healslut, the fight is very short and easy.
>>739395302Imagine mind breaking Kris into worshipping you...
>>739389409Very possible since Toby probably doesn't want to reward people for playing the evil route and have everyone obsess over it again.Which means the actual Vs. Susie fight will be on the normal route when she inevitably finds out about all those lies and lashes out against (You).
>>739383886i'm having the opposite issue, i beat john mantle fairly quickly once i swapped to a controller but the knight is being annoying somehow i got the furthest on my initial attempt despite being rusty as hell
>>739383974toby already said he would need another big feature that would be added to game maker later, so it will happen eventually
>>739383662He nailed UT. I trust him to deliver kino for DR though I wouldn't be shocked if this website tries to twist it into being shit regardless of how great it'll be. This place is a festering shithole determined to ruin everything.
>>739397018This is actually the only place you can have actual, genuine discussion about DT without it devolving into who can out-moral each other.You niggerfaggots... are truly special...!!
>>739397018Deltarune is a long running game, people will inevitably hate the ending because it inevitably doesn't meet their expectations.
>>739396723Sure, which is why I said>It can be put in while they're making the next chapters.If he needed whatever big feature you're talking about for Chapter 5, it wouldn't have wrapped development yet.
>>739397147For now. The second people that didn't even play the game start smelling a chance to whine and complain about something then it'll change. >>739397206 is probably right as well.
that's stupid, if there's an engine change, it will happen after the release of chapter 5
>>739389409>susie on verge of tears not understanding why her best friend betrayed her>kris desperately trying to stop and explain whats happening>(us) just PROCEEDing and ruining everything for no other reason other than shits and gigglesoh yeah, I can feel chapter 5 beeing sadist kino
>>739384447>>739384758
>>739394184A version of her in that present moment where she had never met Kris
>>739396104Thankfully I don't need to mindbreak my humans to do that, they naturally love *me as long as I don't fuck up.
>>739397629Yeah that's what I meant. I doubt it tho, don't see how it would serve the story unlike the crystal showing future events or past runs
>>739396104I won't have to in a couple of chapters
>>739383662The game will have been dripfed for like ten years by the time it ends. Anything short of Gaster himself looking me in the eye and giving me the next week's lottery numbers will be disappointing.
>>739397629This doesn't explain the vision of Noelle whispering to Kris if it's supposed to show a world where he doesn't exist.
>>739383886I was pretty surprised when I beat the knight first shot upon replaying post-nerf. Granted, I also had the muscle memory set up so I already had the advantage over her.
>>739398476then maybe it is a world where YOU don't exist, IDK, that would imply Kris would never be friends with Susie without us
>>739399584That's more possible but that would imply Kris and Noelle would be close without us?
>>739399802They've been close their entire lives yeah, we are the interloper that changes things
I remember when everyone was underwhelmed by chapter 1.I remember when everyone was annoyed at how long chapter 2 was.I remember when everyone changed their minds when the Weird route was found out about.I remember when everyone was annoyed at Chapter 3 for being too long.I remember how much everyone flip-flops on Deltarune, even at some point I did too, but after Chapter 3 and 4, can you truly find yourself wavering or doubting Toby? Shit was kino, I would be genuinely impressed if Deltarune turned out to be dogshit at the end.
>>739399929Kris has actively distanced himself from Noelle since the Dess incident
>>739400418>I remember when everyone was underwhelmed by chapter 1.I don't remember anyone hating Survey Program, in fact people were impressed it was an actual game that Toby released and not a ten minute survey.
>>739400418>I remember when everyone was underwhelmed by chapter 1.the only people that thought that were directly comparing it to undertale, so a full game vs a single chapter
>>739397147There's repeated attempts to invade here though. Like god damn even the tumblrinas know their audience is cucked and has to pander to /v/ to get their moral faggotry checked.
>>739400418nobody was annoyed at the length of ch2, they were annoyed at the suselle shitnobody was annoyed at ch3 being too long, they were annoyed at the zelda segments that take up 1/3 of the chaptertake you're (you)
>>739400418Takes like this are so funny since it's completely alien to my actual lived experience. I swear it's like my internet is hooked up to the bizarro dimension when I come on this site.
>>739400831>Suselle shitBefore Suselles became utterly annoying faggotry that they were today, People gathered to hate on Sweet Capn Cakes and their turning of the first third of Cyber City into a complete fucking waste of time.
>>739400956Suselle was hated since the Chapter 1 days, that's why everything related to Noelle before 2 was just about Krusie cucking her.
>>739401037suselle barely existed back during the chapter 1 days besides being pushed by fringe tumblr/twitter users in far off corners of the internetchapter 2 broke the floodgates on that, and if not for the weird route, I'm sure a lot of people would have dropped the game after the disaster the ferris wheel scene was
>>739401105Suselle was the second most popular ship on AO3 and even back then people feared it could be canon which is why everyone wanted to fuck the dino and cuck the deer.
>>739401037suselle was a single optional thing you could talk to noelle aboutit's front and centre in ch2, even on weird route you have to put up with at least some of it
>>739383662 until players figure out the alternate route through a combination of dialogue choices that span from 1 to 7 that gives a new final boss
>>739401105Thank god toby spent most of chapter 3+4 reminding people that the fun gang are the main characters. Not Noelle.Sadly the fandom is illiterate and will probably kill themselves when Susie demonstrates she is the MC and dumps Noelle.
>>739399457I was kinda surprised how much I remembered which ways to move when the swords are coming at you from different directions in a sequence
>>739401223Noelle having a crush over Susie was already enough to make her entire character about Kris cucking her.
>>739401276>the fun gang are the main characters. Not Noelle.lol
>>739383662Deltarune's ending will be disappointing because it won't reach to all the "do x, y and z in this order to reach a super secret ending" expectations and it will mostly be as straightforward as it currently is.
>>739386483I'd unironically pog if the UT battlescreen reappears in a lightworld fight.Honestly doesn't matter who it's against.
so, how does Ralsei know that the player is on the weird route? he never talks to Noelle on it so the only way I can think of it is the lack of recruits or his physical dark world appearance seeing the aftermath.
>>739401669he doesn't know the details, but it's not hard to deduce that (you) did something to noelle considering how she's acting
>>739401669He can canonically see the player's screen.
>>739401105>suselle barely existed back during the chapter 1 daysYou people are so goddamn delusional lmao. I bet you think it's still unpopular just because 4chan hates it, right?
>>739400831>nobody was annoyed at ch3 being too long, they were annoyed at the zelda segments that take up 1/3 of the chapterThe Zelda segments are some of the coolest bits of it though. The boards just suck ass man.
>>739401669Depending on which theory people are running Ralsei is either stuck in a timeloop or has just enough information on the end results of certain activities to know the more subtle tells that things are on a fucked path. Also there's comments that Kris looks like absolute shit after snowgrave.
So is Ralsei in love with US or Kris?
Post Doe pussy
>>739401963the sword route/ mantle game have always been considered separate from boards 1 & 2, which are still referred to as zelda like
>>739401992It starts as a one sided relationship with the soul that evolves into a mutual sympathy with kris.
>>739401992inherently attracted to kris for prophecy reasons, is likely wary of (you) but is aware he can't actually acknowledge (you) without causing problems so pretends that (you) and kris are the same
>trannycore game made by kike will end bad...to the surprise of no one since it was ALWAYS bad.
>>739397018>He nailed UTToby "nailed" it because the rest of the game came at once and we didn't have literal years to analise things and get expectations about details.Neutral has a good pre-final boss with Asgore and a whole Flowey fight that is creative in terms of presentation and 4th wall breaking but it's a glorified cutscene pretending to be a super boss with how hard it tries to not kill you. The various scenarios are interesting but unfulfilling and have the bare minimum presentation.Pacifist has YET ANOTHER cutscene fight pretending to be a super boss with Asriel, the exact same issues from before. The saccharine conclusion is fine and pleases most people, but you can't deny it's a very safe path.Genocide is the only ending with a real super boss fight. The super Asgore fight that Undyne hypes up never happens, and people would have absolutely despised this fact if Undertale had an episodic release. The story ending with Chara is the only actual ambitious one with the meta fuckery, and people to this day argue if it was a genius idea or preachy bullshit.All on top of the full UT not developing too much the deja-vu gimmicks that made the Ruins Demo stand out with people, and in some cases doing worse than it.And Deltarune? The ending(s) will definitely lean into the pretentious angle like UT's geno, maybe a little Mother 3 style "they're all doing fine" bit (that doesn't really explain anything) for the sake of not letting it be all bleak because Toby softened a lot since his Radiation days. There is a high chance the final boss will be yet again a cutscene pretending to be this epic fight that isn't actually too hard or mechanically complex like the previous ones.People are gonna bitch regardless because everyone will have 3+ years after chapter 5 releases now to imagine their own ending to the story that will never happen. And the people who like it will also bitch about the people complaining.
>>739383662Deltarune's ending will suck because we still have a decade to go and a shitty pixelshit game should not take 20+ years to make.
>>739382740why not use unityvat this point?
>ctrl-f>rap>0 resultsI'm deeply disappointed
>>739397470>>739390341>>739391142I am looking forward to this so much
>>739401669
>>739401992Neither. He loves Susie
>>739402214Not going to lie, this sounds entirely like a (you) being a stupid faggot issue.
>>739402214Going by the quality of the titan fight in chapter 4 I'm reasonably confident the endgame of deltarune will have proper final boss fights. My hope and dream is that the final boss of the game, while thematically the same, gets much much harder on a completionist playthrough to compensate for the fact that the fun gang has already kicked the roaring knights ass once. Like the final boss of Ijji.
>>739401105>suselle barely existed back during the chapter 1You guys don't actually read the text don't you? Noelle was lusting for Susie since 2018, it's just not unskipabble cutscenes.
Betting odds on Kris having an on-screen spoken line in chapter 5?
>>739402646weird route when he ditches us
>>739402646>white Krisyou're gonna piss off tumbr and reddit with that one
>>739401992Sympathetic for Kris and trying really hard to please the player in order to keep it from going into a rampage, like how Sans does in UT.
>>739402214Honestly, you aren't fully wrong. If Undertale had an episodic release and took as long as Deltarune to come out people would be far more nitpicky towards it than they are currently. Honestly I feel like a lot of endings only really become controversial due to how long people had to wait for it, usually experiencing things in one go makes you like the ending of a work more.
>>7394026460%. Humans aren't allowed to speak in his games outside of weird meta sequences like the ending of genocide. Kris is only speaking far later in the game.
>>739402830How far is he willing to go to please me?
>>739383662Don't worry. The ending will be very very interesting.
>>739402574>the quality of the titan fight in chapter 4That's the most underwhelming major fight Toby has ever done so far. That piece of shit has less bullet patterns than King, there is absolutely no wiggle room for strategies and only a single way to progress.The design is the most generic JRPG godly final boss shit possible, and the writing there is also the most shitty shonen anime shit possible. I can't fucking believe it was done by the same guy who came up with Omega Flowey.And all this on the coattails of the Tenna fight which might be the best non final/super boss fight he has ever done.
>>739402646Increased odds per chapter
>>739403017strip tease hopefully
>>739403038There's something about scientist characters that just make me look forward to what they will do next
>>739396104People think Noelle is getting corrupted in Snowgrave route but that's not case. Kris is the one getting corrupted, she is the one who will accept the SOUL and worship the player instead.
>>739402837That's why I think the episodic release was his worst mistake of all. Playing 2 through 7 in a week wouldn't let anyone have the time to think too hard about anything goin on. And he keeps chopping up the game more and more every time.The only excuses I can imagine are Toby running out of money to pay his team or him fearing the relevancy would disappear if he spent these 10 years releasing nothing new.
>>739403348true, you are just awakening noelle's dark side that she had in her all along, just like kris was never fully innocentno one is innocent in deltarune, and is why toby doesn't want to sell merch of the lightners
>>739403420>>739402214>>739402837I truly hate you people.>omg no I HAVE to hate it because I let myself get overly hyped. FUCK YOU TOBY, HOW DARE YOU GET ME TOO EXCITED! THIS IS YOUR FAULT AND NOT ME BEING RETARDED REEEIt's so stupid
>>739403420I think the issue is just that Toby didn't have real faith he could release all of Deltarune. I think making it episodic was just him trying to release what he could for his fans which worked well enough so far. We know his original plan was for a full release so I imagine the game just grew too big for him to handle it. I mean, it's going to take 11 years for 6 chapters, that's a lot of time.
>>739403603I don't hate it myself, calm down. I am just saying people will hate it because it's episodic and that's a fact, sadly.
>>739403432Even the entity in the Shadow Mantle game says so. Part of her loves it and allows it and I think that's absolutely how Toby is going to subvert the expectation while keeping people happy. Well I guess those who wanted to corrupt Noelle to be obsessed with the SOUL wouldn't be so happy.
>>739403603>I let myself get overly hypedI set my expectations very low after chapter 2 let me down, and I still came out of this very underwhelmed. 3+ years waiting to play more UT/DR to be stuck with a single Zelda minigame for the majority of a chapter? Really?
>>739403789Yep! It was great, huh?
>>739402141>some say it looks like lips or the tongues of a long lizard>*fluffiness not includedGREEN LIZARD RALSEI BROS, WE NEED TO RISE UP.
>>739403910Expecting more DR out of DR should be the bare fucking minimum man. And it's not even fucking good. The novelty wears out really fast. I was completely out of patience when the bunker dungeon came up.
deltatroon
>>739402141i never really noticed it but for kris>true strength lies within your friendsis really fucking funny
>>739402646If he kicks (You) out for good at the end of the chapter, the last line before the credits will be from him, but it won't have a dialogue icon so you have to figure it out from the unique voice grunt
>>739383774You will never find out if it's even real, because it's pretty blatant Toby has been changing course basing on reaction to chapters.
>>739404173this is just cope from people hitting a perfect 0 on predictions. the knight not being december (let's be real - you guys are wrong WAY too frequently to be right here) is going to cause record shit and piss from you fags.
>>739404263The thing is there have been actual genuine in-game hints to support Dessknight unless it's intentionally misleading
>>739404007I got more DR out of DR. It was good the whole time.
>>739401669Ralsei doesn't know what we're doing on the Weird Route. When you stonewall his request to speak with Kris alone in Chapter 2, he notices and he's surprised by it ("Wait, we were supposed to-") but he brushes it off, he doesn't think it's that important and doesn't seem to notice anything wrong with Kris.In Chapter 3, if you tell him you're taking Noelle to the Festival, he's just confused in the normal route, but on the Weird Route he DOES notice. Based on similar interactions, Kris must have conveyed some anxiety or distress in their response, and Ralsei realized Kris REALLY doesn't want this to happen for some reason and gives us some rare direct pushback against doing it. But he still doesn't know what's going on, he's just picked up that Kris is worried about something. And he doesn't get the chance to find out later, because he spends all of Chapter 4 preoccupied with keeping Susie away from the Last Prophecy, using their "alone time" to do that instead.
>>739404375there's also been actual genuine in-game shit to support friendknight but you never see that getting plugged. problem with knight identity theories is that they're a popularity contest, people aren't combing through the clues and making dry, factual predictions.
>>739403348Honestly after Mantle I wonder if Noelle even is that important to the overall weird route outside of being the one who starts it.
>>739404638mark my words, berdly is more important to weird route than noelle is. eram stuff and forgotten man stuff have been intersecting and the egg man eggs are stored on berdly's desk.
>>739404093Kris won't have one just like Chara didn't.
>>739404173I'd be wary of saying that right now. He definitely gives extra screen time for popular characters like Rouxls and Spamton and less for the failures like Sweet Cap'n Cakes, and also changes up his own idea like completely reworking Queen for her initial concept (unlike Tenna who stayed the same), and there are definitely some nods AND jabs here and there to the fans. BUT let's wait for an artbook or interviews to reach an actual answer to that.>>739404263Carol's name and her being "C" from that letter were very common predictions that turned out correct. Funny thing is, I correctly predicted a lot of what we know about Dess's backstory except mainly for how deep Asgore was into it, but I never bothered posting those because I was busy trying to guess things that would happen in chapter 3 instead.>The knight not being decemberI'd give it 50/50, she is the most likely but the whole theme with the game so far is things not being what they seem at first glance.
>>739404727You can add the Shadow Crystals into things Toby added after the fact, too.
>>739404463Explain to me in intricate details how Legend of Tenna/MANTLE were more of the usual gameplay the UT/DR series had for the 12 years it had existed up to that point.
>>739404375>intentionally misleadingthat's your answer
>>739404594> When you stonewall his request to speak with Kris alone in Chapter 2, he notices and he's surprised by it ("Wait, we were supposed to-") he's surprised because you went off script, the dark worlds are essentially a DnD campaign and ralsei is the dungeon master. weird route makes shit get, well, weird, and ralsei is confused about the plot getting dumped. ralsei does a similar thing in chapter 4 when susie gets the music sheet from gerson, where you can skip it and he's like "I think it would be great for susie to experience this". and if you skip it, susie doesn't get the music sheet. because the event with gerson in the room literally never happens, she doesn't come out with the music sheet unless YOU watch the event. she's just standing awkwardly waiting for the DM to continue the story.
>>739404813But that isn't him trying to outsmart the fandom.
>yeah, everyone is disappointed because my expectations aren't being met>muh population contest (which i'm losing because i'm a faggot freak)>the plot isn't going the way i want it to? this is literally toby being mean to meWhen did we pick up this literal tranny? It's been years. The dickless cuck who unironically believes these things has been crying for years.
>>739404813the concept was always there (jevil literally says "let's craft the devil's knife", which is what they're used for), he just didn't know how to implement it.
>>739405002>It's been yearsI did complain on occasion about chapter 2 but I didn't write that much about it. It's not even a year my 3+4 rants started since it took me a bit to think about it and 3+4 is a few days away from being one year old.Is it too hard to accept people have gripes with the game?
>>739405050The Shadow Crystals have nothing to do with the secret bosses drops, actually.
>>739405096You're just very ugly and unlikable.
Damn it's pretty cool when a random artist makes fanart that supports your niche agenda
>>739405243and how is that an argument for anything?
>>739405289truehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpVfqOfXTjE
>>739383886That's because Zelda 1 was never meant to be played that fast, I will never 100% chapter 3 again solely because of that fucking piece of shit nigger, he should have been nerfed not the knight
>>739398293Gaster will be a background character like he was before. Maybe a bit more in the foreground.He was undoubtedly influenced by Dr. Gast in FFVII, who was again, an important background character.
>>739405295A person who isn't ugly and unlikable would get better arguments instead of insisting that they're the smartest person on the internet every day for almost a year.But you are very ugly and very unlikable, so I've mentally catalogued your complaints under>massive niggerfaggot, disregard on-sightAnd that's your own fault for being so ugly and unlikable. Have fun losing the popularity contest you invented!
>>739405586>disregard on-sightyet you keep answering me huh
>>739395740i gave the mantle to kris not knowing hes swoon-immune. I just thought it would be more cinema to have him as the wielder of the mantle
>>739405676>he didn't realize the whole game is susie wank
>>739405050>jevil literally says "let's craft the devil's knife">literallyIt's "let's make the devilsknife," anon.
>>739404635Friend is Gaster's dark world persona is my current theory; there's way too many hints that they're related somehow
>>739404818Top down RPG. Main delivery of characterization is from dialogue and flavor text. Same combat as ever up until MANTLE, which is no more of a departure than a new soul mode. It's novel to see such an idea explored beyond a single battle.What's different beyond that is the even more retro aesthetic and the fact that you can't get back to most screens by walking left enough times.Seeing a "real Darkner" versus a Darkner in the game is a non-difference. I don't care that it "isn't really them", they're all playing as themselves anyway.
>fighting the knight after getting everything needed in ch3>keep getting smoked by the circling sword barrier>in the event that i pass it, i die to the knight's final attackwhat makes this go from annoying to aggravating is that i remember the former not being too big of a deal when i fought the knight last year and i survived the final attack first time i got to it
>>739405809>Top down RPG. Main delivery of characterization is from dialogue and flavor text. "Mario and Sonic and Crash are the same gameplay because they're platformers">Same combat as ever up until MANTLEA ridiculously low count of common enemies, a low count of how many times you engage with them compared to the previous chapter AND previous game, very few bosses.>which is no more of a departure than a new soul mode. It's novel to see such an idea explored beyond a single battle.Yellow soul just adds a shooting mechanic on top of a normal battle. Blue, Green and Purple change the control scheme a little but everything else is the same. MANTLE has no turns, no FIGHT, no ACT, no ITEM, your gear makes zero difference in how it plays out, the movement is not only completely different but also janky, you can't even check the enemy and know it's name.>What's different beyond that is the even more retro aesthetic and the fact that you can't get back to most screens by walking left enough times.aka completely changing the aesthetic of the game up to that point AND scrapping the single board that didn't repeat that tileset AND ignoring the theme of the chapter unlike the other 3 ones we have.>Seeing a "real Darkner" versus a Darkner in the game is a non-difference. I don't care that it "isn't really them", they're all playing as themselves anyway.Yet again, theming.
wondering why no one mentions the color coding of characters more often, the way light is generated is red-green-blue, your monitor uses this same combination, the way printers work is cyan-magenta-yellow, the key difference is red+green+blue makes a pure white color, cyan+magenta+yellow makes a pure black color. it's obvious that the correct combination for the dark world is kris+susie+noelle, it's a bit less obvious for the light world, (you) is red, ralsei is green, not really sure who the blue is, maybe carol?
>>739406314>Mario and Sonic and Crash are the same gameplay because they're platformersNo, The Legend of TV Time's overworld gameplay is the same as Undertale's and Deltarune's, because all their overworld gameplay amounts to walking around and pressing interact on things. "Theming" is not a gameplay difference.>not enough enemies! Not enough encounters!That isn't a fundamental gameplay difference.>MANTLE has no...Deltarune's core combat gameplay does not have enough player expression that my options are more limited by any noteworthy degree in Mantle. Your stats, gear, equipment, choice of act or attack, none of it matters a tenth as much as dodging.>changing the aestheticAesthetics are not a gameplay difference.>Yet again, theming.Once again, theming is not a gameplay difference.
>>739405594Damn perfect gifWild that some people susellefags coff for some reason don't see anything romantic with a girl sliding like that, hell i would even say Toby intentionally made the couch long so people would notice her behavior
>>739405154I'm talking about the twisted sword anon
>>739405779there's a fuckton of clues to support friend being gaster which means gaster is the knight. don't let years of fanon get in the way of the plot of the game you're playing NOW.
>>739406465susie is being a monumental hypocrite here. ask her about her parents.
>>739406671>The Legend of TV Time's overworld gameplay is the same as Undertale's and Deltarune'sAt no point before UT/DR had been 90% puzzles and overworld NPCs and 10% a few battles. Those have always been the bulk of the experience.>That isn't a fundamental gameplay difference.Balancing of elements is a very fundamental difference. A 2d action game with very minor platforming bits isn't the same as a platformer where you ocasionally beat up/shoot enemies.>Deltarune's core combat gameplay does not have...>...none of it matters a tenth as much as dodgingAll the first few times I beat up Jevil I did it by being smart with gear choice and turn actions (keep Ralsei alive and spam his heal often) because I sucked at various aspects. It felt glorious. Now I can do well at his bullets because I played chapter 1 like a hundred times by now, but my points stands.>Aesthetics are not a gameplay difference.Alright, I admit you lawyered this "gotcha" because I asked about gameplay. Still, aesthetics are a big part of the experience specially for story driven games, and my overall point is that Chapter 3 deviated way too much from what gave a cohesive identity to the previous chapters.
>>739383662I liked the meta ending of Skies Forever BlueIt will be harder to pull something like that with more than 2 characters but i still have hope
>>739406961I just don't see Gaster being the knight, he's the type of guy to stay back and manipulate things in the background as he always has, why would he need to intervene personally in such a hamfisted manner?
>>739407075Oh, I forgot to mention MANTLE has even less to do with the usual gameplay, it's a full on zelda clone inside a franchise that was a dragon quest derivative with visual novel and shmup elements attached.
>>739384447Ch6 and 7 weren't going to be finished until 2029 at the absolute earliest too, so this probably doesn't by itself block them
>>739407106>why would he need to intervene personally in such a hamfisted manner?because it's FUN.
>>739406961Gaster looking like anything other than the Mystery Man could by itself obliterate the fandom
>>739407246he's never really been characterized as psycho like that though, he's portrayed as calm and collected and methodical
>>739407238I do wonder about the possibility of both dropping by 2028 IF>chapter 7 is very short and just a path to the final boss and ending like how New Home was>producer-sama did in fact put their shit back togetherBut I'm not counting on it.
>>739406990Not even that, she still hasn't explained why she bullied Kris
>>739407101>Skies Forever BlueI won't forget her...
>>739407341anon, I'm sorry if you didn't notice it sooner but the knight is acting. it's following diagetic make-believe combat rules and willingly throws the fight once we pass an arbitrary hp threshhold. this act of throwing the fight being something gaster KNOWS the knight will do, to the point he becomes our little cheerleader and tells us to keep trying.
>>739407329fanon is by far the biggest hurdle to proper DR gaster theories. anything that doesn't line up with 10-year old UT lore gets thrown out.
>>739407535I don't doubt Gaster could be controlling the knight like a puppeteer, but the idea that he is literally the knight just doesn't track for meIt even acts like a marionette on strings
>>739407579>10-year old UT loreOld lore is still lore and should be disconsidered because of that.
>>739407075>At no point before UT/DR had been 90% puzzles and overworld NPCs and 10% a few battles.And that was a pacing choice. Not a set in stone rule about what is enjoyable about the games. The pacing of chapter 3 is different.>A 2d action game with very minor platforming bits isn't the same as a platformer where you ocasionally beat up/shoot enemies.I can agree to this. I can't agree that one seventh of Deltarune not adhering to every single possible pattern you could extrapolate from Undertale and the rest of Deltarune is at the same scale.>All the first few times I beat up Jevil I did it by being smart with gear choice and turn actionsCool, that means you were within like 10-15% of the dodging skill you needed to do it normally. It felt like more because Deltarune is a "lose harder" game. The moment you're at a real disadvantage, like against an actual difficult enemy with patterns you haven't seen before, one serious slip can completely kill your momentum. Ironically it's like latter era Souls design. Yeah the RPG stats don't mean nothing, but the ability to take no damage by playing a (timing and spacing)/(bullet dodging) minigame matters infinitely more than they could ever hope to. And unlike a Souls game, Deltarune's RPG mechanics are narrow and focused on how characteristics can be expressed through simple gameplay attributes rather than letting you build a character in several directions. So while the strategy and stats and stuff all MATTER, it mostly matters by making you just comfortable enough that you can do the dodging, not by outweighing your lack of dodging skill on its own.>Chapter 3 deviated way too much from what gave a cohesive identity to the previous chapters.What gave a cohesive identity to the previous chapters, and to Undertale, was Toby Fox's writing, music, and creative direction. Not the number of new enemies in each zone lining up correctly.
>>739403637He can also be straight up lying and release everything on the next drop. Or release chapter 5 then a month later 6 and 7.
>>739407807no chancedevelopment of ch6 just started last year, and what we've seen is that a single chapter takes at minimum 3 years of toby timewe're looking at a late 2028 release at the absolute earliest for ch6
>>739403603that's a very funny response to a >episodic release format fucking sucks and even UT wouldn't have had remotely the same reception with itpost, because it's the people assured that toby can do no wrong who are overhyped to hell and backreally it just seems to me that all the fanboys are too young to have been burned by any other highly speculative project, at least those who are engaged with the "fandom" and "theories" and any other nonsense that isn't just looking a fanartand i do fully expect those fanboys to experience the burn, because they are not expecting mother 3 (again) but proper romantic confirmation / gaster boss battle / direct connection to undertale / truly surprising metafiction twist
>>739407725Alright anon. What else there is to be said?I waited 3 fucking years for this. 3 fucking years to do less than what Undertale Yellow did. 7 years of watching the game go on as if someone took notes from everything I enjoyed about Chapter 1 and did the exact opposite of it. And another 4+ years ahead of going along with this sunk cost because I need an ending before I can move on.
>>739407647it's not about being disconsidered, it's about people treating obtuse easter eggs as hard fact, particularly when toby himself called the accuracy of the g. follower gossip into question in a blog post.
>>739408354The "le genius themes" fanboys are the only ones who might enjoy Deltarune by the end. Patternfags got obliterated, shipping fags and genocide fags will be next.
>>739408410Why do you think Toby should be never, in not a single circumstance, be considered responsible for the words he put into his game? Why is there always a "but"?
>>739408410>toby himself called the accuracy of the g. follower gossip into question in a blog postWhat an incredible interpretation of Toby RPing as Sans to dismiss shitty "Undertale is racist" discourse two weeks after the game came out
>>739409205anon, did you miss it?besides, it's rude to talk about people that are listening, right? not everyone is as tough as my brother.
>>739405594needs the BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG poster from the Undertale anniversary stream
>>739406961>there's a fuckton of clues to support friend being gaster which means gaster is the knight.I want you to imagine what it would take to explain "the secret character from Undertale who is the secret guy you talk to in the intro of Deltarune is pretending to be a secret evil cat demon who is the secret boss of Chapter 3 who helps you defeat The Knight who is also actually the same guy pretending to be a Knight who is just roleplaying as Noelle's secret missing sister" to a normal person who only thinks about Deltarune when the game comes out, and how Toby would have to lay this scenario out to them as part of the story of his game
Crazy to think there aren't many months left until discussion is dominated by shipping frustration for years on end. This era of WAIT discussion will be short but also remarkably unique compared to everything before and after it.
>>739409535it's simple: gaster is the dungeon master and it's literally just roleplay.
>>739409583the complete info drought we're currently experiencing will almost certainly be lost to time
>>739409630I doubt things will ever go back to how they used to be with the frequent post chapter 2 newsletters and events.Toby really seems like he doesn't want a single thing spoiled. He only did that for 2 and 3 because most of what happens there isn't important in the grand scheme of things.
>>739383662I want Toby to make the ending that pleases himself the most. It's when these sort of people stop creating for themselves and try to pander to an audience is when great creatives trip and fall off the ladder
>>739409446That's "Gaster is a skeleton brother" slopIt's not casting doubt on the information Toby put into his game specifically to inform us about Gaster any more than already existed from the slight variations in their accounts
>>739383662Expect it end as awfully and inconclusive as TADC
>>739409816no it is, the point of it being brought up is that the topic of sans' speech, i.e. gossip, is applicable to gaster. the followers explicitly call what they're saying "gossip"
>>739409771You're just pretentious anon. We had decades of Hollywood making crowd pleasing movies and TV and people were happy with that.
>>739409768looking back at 3 & 4's pre release stuff, toby did keep almost everything that actually mattered completely hidden until releaseeven when they released, everyone was shocked that toby actually revealed what the knight looked like in ch3, not even the most ardent schizos had predicted that i think ch5 is a special case, it has the entire 8 years of build up riding on it and everything going forward is completely uncharted territoryi could see toby schizo baiting with ch6 some time after ch5 drops for example
>>739409583>shadowcrystaldamn i think you got a wrong copy
>>739409884>the followers explicitly call what they're saying "gossip"The one follower that Toby is explicitly referencing here does that. The others do not.The purpose of making this reference in the middle of this post was throwing out more crumbs connecting Sans to Gaster.The purpose of the blog post as a whole was addressing malicious slander against Undertale and Toby as its writer. It was not part of Undertale's planned secret/ARG material, which we now know in whole or in large part to have served the purpose of foreshadowing Deltarune and Gaster's significant role within it.Toby's intention throwing in a cheeky Gaster reference was not to discredit the information that he put in his game specifically to inform fans about this secret character.The Gaster followers are not presented as infallible sources of information and there was already a hint of doubt and mystery in the differences between their accounts of Gaster's accomplishments and fate. That already existed, the meaning that you're reading into an obscure blog post wouldn't change that, unless you're taking it farther and suggesting the Gaster followers (our firsthand primary source of Gaster's life and death) are just deliberate bullshit that doesn't mean anything, which is an absurd and indefensible position.
>>739409946I still wonder what is the reason he felt 5 was a good point to end the 3-4-5 batchI'm still assuming there will be a huge shift in the story by the end, whatever that is.
>>739411142probably a giga cliffhanger, one to make ch2's look like a gag
>>739411273more than 3's cliffhanger?
>>739383215you will never leave the favela
>>739411379i will when i hack into his servers and leak chapter 5 for 1000 reais
>>739411347yesch5 was intended to be the final chapter in the batch since before ch2 was separated from them, before we even knew there was a ch6 and 7
>>7394114476 and 7 have been in the chapter select screen since 2021 at least. Though Gerson is seriously making me question if 7 will actually be a real chapter or not.
>>739410101Shipping aside, these texts are so suspicious that i'm impressed there are so little theories about itSusie glaring didn't happen yet, even the ch4 she's more worried than giving a bad look, this has to be a future scene where you are in the shelter because of Undyne being frozen text
>>739411534way back in the ch1 era toby had only mentioned chapters 2-5, and that the four of them would be part of the same release obviously things changed, but back in 2021 when ch2 dropped people were surprised at the two extra chapters toby had never mentioned before, and had continued to not mention until september last year when he said some enemy work had started for ch6
>>739409768He did that for 2 and 3 because chapter 1 and 2 didn't end on a literal fucking stinger saying the next chapter will release within the next year
Currently fantasizing about living a married secluded life with Noelle
>>7394113473 has the least gripping cliffhanger at all.What, am I supposed to believe we're about to see what's in the bunker? Am I supposed to be surprised that the Knight is willing to open the door for Kris?Kris fucking hates us and, even though we find out he's not the Knight, he's still colluding with it. We already knew he's hiding things from us. The no-hit line would've made the rounds with theorycrafters like crack if 3 released on its own. He was never going to just let us find what's going on down there.
>>739410453anon, the followers are all gossip/hearsay.THEY SAY he created the coreTHEY SAY he shattered across time and space.sans brings up gaster and says "not everyone is as tough as my brother" specifically because of the implication that gaster IS A VICTIM OF GOSSIP, and that he is thick-skinned enough to handle it.
>>739411590> i'm impressed there are so little theories about itit's because people only like the milquetoast basic bitch family drama theories, and anything that tries to explain the shadow crystal text has to dabble in metaphors and dreamscape shit.
Most overrated boss fight?I think Spamton is the worst secret boss so far, the fight is pretty kino, especially weird route, but his attacks just aren't that interesting compared to say, Jevil, whose bullet patterns are amazing.
>>739412425toby had to tone down spamton for his chapter 5 rematch
>>739412425i don't know what people are on when they say mantle is a particularly hard fight yeah it takes a couple tries but if you've ever played a 2d zelda it's a pretty standard affair
>>739412425Eram.
>>739412473I tried playing ALTTP once and didn't like it.I think I spent like an hour against Eram on my first ch3 run, but now I can do it faster.
>>739412473I'm ashamed to say this but I can't beat Mantle without 0.75x speed on using GameCheat. I can beat Roaring Knight, Snowgrave Spamton, Sans, Undyne, Jevil on my first try, but I find Mantle impossible.
>>739412365>metaphors and dreamscape shitbecause those are the only kind theories that ended up correctremember the universal mother theory
>>739401992Ralsei loves America
>>739412996based
If toby doesn't make any statement on the anniversary, I'll start to worry that something really bad happened behind the scenes
>>739412563universal mother theory was so right that it created potential ripple effects through the rest of the chapters (that nobody cares about because it's not milquetoast family drama)
>>739396104>Make both Kris and Noelle into your loyal slaves who love you and only you and do everything you say. not even Kris wants to deny you anymore it's so easy just give into you and love you. Toby would unironically be based for that
>>739411447>>739411793>way back in the ch1 era toby had only mentioned chapters 2-5That's wrong. In the last update before Chapter 2, he only mentions "Chapter 3+" when talking about future chapters.https://deltarune.com/update-092020/The plan to release Chapters 3-5 together didn't happen until Chapter 2's release (pic related). We had no idea how long the game would be before then, so when the game kicked you out to the Chapter select screen after completing Chapter 2, seeing that there were going to be SEVEN Chapters was almost as shocking as Kris making the fountain.https://deltarune.com/update-092021/Double checking this led me back to Toby's original post after (or technically, before) releasing Chapter 1, which still has some interesting information revealing things about his mindset and the state of the game at the time.https://web.archive.org/web/20240815033908/http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9>I currently plan to release all of the chapters at once after we complete themAs we know, the original plan was to release Deltarune as a complete game, but Toby changed his mind later because they were TAKING TOO LONG. He stuck to his guns with the "only pay once" thing though, which was good.>Price is unknown. It depends on how long the game is...This might not mean much, but it's interesting. The game was already planned to be structured as "chapters," but was it not known how long each one would be, or was he not sure yet how many chapters there would be?>by the time it comes out we might be on Playstation 14 or something.lol>Oh, and I have no plans to add more content to the first chapter.This is really interesting, because it's pretty hard evidence that the Shadow Crystals were something thought up later and important enough to be added to Chapter 1.And, this is immediately followed by:>5. "Will there be multiple endings?">No. No matter what you do the ending will be the same.>See you in ?? years... OK?>Don't forget.
chapters 6 and 7 were actually finished first and will shadowdrop 11 hours after chapter 5
>>739413731>See you in ?? years... OK?>Don't forget.
I CAN'T FUCKING TAKE IT ANYMOREEVERY SINGLE DAY I WAKE UP AND I OPEN /v/ HOPING FOR DELTARUNE NEWS AND WHAT DO I SEE?NOTHING!FUCKING. NOTHING!
>>739415292read that in his voice
>>739411379you will never leave the oniontown
>>739412365I like metaphors and dreamscape shit, why else would I be playing Deltarune? Because I think the Darkners are funny little guys? How would I be engaged in the main plot if I wasn't engaged enough in the symbolism to parse it?
>>739415482You'd be surprised, 9 out of 10 people in this fandom are cattle with not a single lick of interiority or thought. They are incapable of finding any meaning in DELTARUNE and UNDERTALE beyond their own projections. To them, this is no different than playing with their dolls.
>>739415292>here's your ch5 tease bro, oh also a ballon spritet-thanks
>>739415749>Almost 5 months with no teasers If Chapter 5 doesn't absolutely rock everyone's world I am gonna be very disappointed.
>>739415749>"well, I don't want to share too much this time" (laughs)>puts Seam revealing that the Shadow Crystals are made of Determination front-and-centerabsolute [BIG SHOT] move
>>739415795That is the problem of having a perfect track record of kino after kino after kino. When some shitty ass company puts out a garbage game nobody bats an eye but if Toby Fox puts out a stunning, incredible masterpiece well that's an atrocity because Tenna's shoes are slightly too yellow
>>739415482most people think this game is dess and carol family drama session: the game.
also calling it now that this is Kris "explaining" the Dark World to Noelle after Susie brings her to Castle Town
>>739415749>It was deployed like an off-brand missile!
>>739383662Will it be better or worse than Homestuck? Call it now.
>>739415956urrr actually the game is about how we're forced into heccin heteronormative relationships, bigot! That's all I got from Deltarune... FATE?! VOLITION?! AGENCY?! IPSEITY!? HUBRIS?! HUH?!?!?! I don't know those words, bigot.
reminder that the knight is friend, and most people don't realize it because toby hid the clue (knight and friend sharing voice files) way the fuck deep in an optional mini-game within a hidden area.
>>739409842qrd? how bad was it?
>>739416006You gotta understand that every great ending is highly controversial.
>>739416006>Will it be better or worse than Homestuck?don't even joke lad>>739415956You're talking about a character who's appeared once and another that hasn't even appeared yet officially. Nobody thinks that. Thinking that the villain's motivation is wanting to save her daughter is not thinking that, none of this has even been formalized in the story yet.Noelle and her family being important has been clear and known since Chapter 1, they have to enter the story eventually but this has only just started to happen.
>>739416075Wasn't the Knight's hurt sound literally just an edited version of Noelle's scream during the mouse puzzles?
>>739416075mus_smile (Entry #17) is just Muffet's laughGaster is Muffet confirmed???
>>739416125ya know, thinking about it, "controversial ending" is what never happens with incredible games but long-ass-running japanese mangas which have drifted far away over the yearsprobably something to do with how people keep in mind only the first and the last parts, but any game that SOMEBODY would call their favourite will have some dogshit element but never the endingeverybody knows about swimming in deus ex, or bed of chaos in dark souls, or medusa corridor and death in castlevania, or water temple in ocarina of time, or how wolves hunt in packs in dragon's dogmarevealing the awful part that reveals the idiosyncratic development in (you)r favourite game is left as an exercise to the reader
>>739416125>every great ending is highly controversialSpoken like someone who spends way more time shitposting on basket weaving imageboards than actually consuming fiction.
>>739416246Don't think it's the same file but both her roar and hurt does sound like Noelle's scream a lot but slowed
>>739416484could you not say consuming fiction you sound like a golem
>>739416525"reading books / watching movies / playing videogames" is three times longer, lrn2 language efficiency you idiot
>>739416607I would rather just type out the extra words
>>739415876Seam had the 5 crystal all along and was just waiting for you to get the other 4 firstToby told me trust
>>739415749>confirmed buppy kris>possible caked up kris (and worm)>possible dess reveali'm looking forward to it
>>739416340are you trying to say that the main antagonist's only known voice line is just a meaningless reusable stock asset?
>>739416505>herthe knight is literally an it.
>>739416484Oh, anon. There are good endings, and then there are GREAT ones. You must learn, you MUST learn, to tell the difference.Take Shawshank Redemption. One of the finest endings cinema has given us: patient, earned, cathartic, clean. You leave the theater smiling. You leave the theater WHOLE. And yet, here is the thing... I would not call it sublime. I would not call it GREAT...A great ending is not required to satisfy you. It is, CERTAINLY, not required to please you. What it is ALWAYS, always, without exception, is TRUE.The old Greeks had a word for this. Anagnorisis. Recognition. The moment a man sees, at last and too late or just in time, what was ALWAYS the case... THAT is the engine of a truly great ending: not the an answer handout, but the sudden, vertiginous revelation that the question was always there, beneath your feet, the ENTIRE TIME.A good ending gives you closure. A great ending gives you a QUESTION, about fate, about will, about what is real and what we only wished were, and then it sends you home with it. You carry it for weeks. You carry it for years. You are still carrying it, decades on, gray and a little wiser and no less troubled by it.A good ending is a door that closes. A great ending is a door you realize, standing there, was never there at all.P.S.: Never, don't you EVER use that disgusting phrase "consuming fiction", it treats art like fast food, and I don't like it one bit.
>>739416904The difference between the good and "great" ending that you describe is that a good ending doesn't let you be an enormous hipster dickbarrel for liking it.
>>739416812Yes because they don't know what the fuck is that thing yet, and if it's Dess, unless she decided to change her pronouns after the friend rapening incident
>>739417049you're ignoring one of the few clues we have because you're enamored by the dussy. the knight is a they/it. it's more likely to be a HUMAN than it is to be december.
>>739417049It's Rudy you drooling retard
>>739417104Something something, human Dess real.
>>739417041Liking it or not, a great ending is still... a great ending...Imagine if the Odyssey ended in book 23 instead of book 24... That. is my. point.!
>>739417179it's too late. dess has she/her pronouns. the knight has they/it pronouns. toby does NOT fuck around with pronouns, esp. in modern culture. the knight is not dess, or rudy, or carol. the knight is a "they" character like the humans, or the ghosts.
>>739416904The Shawshank Redemption ending is a great ending. Don't care if that makes me a normie for saying it. You could argue the book was better because it was ambiguous which fits the theme of hope well. But without that scene at the beach, for a movie it wouldn't feel as complete. Different mediums and all that
>>739417049>>739417170no it's the doeelle
>>739417104That's why i said IF, we don't know yet and neither Susie and Ralsei>>739417226You're right but canonically Susie and Ralsei don't know what is the Knight, and honestly would be dumb if the identity was mostly related to gender
>>739417249Anon did you read my post, I already told you Shawshank Redemption is a GOOD ending, a REALLY GOOD ending, I absolutely love it! But it is not GREAT... Great endings are very few and far between. Remember what I said, a great ending will not give you a neat closure, but it WILL offer you a question... And whether or not you choose to wrestle with that question... is up TO (YOU)!
the knight is see-through. glassy and translucent, like the shadow crystal. all the depths reflections on the ground during the fight are from a light INSIDE of the knight, something rainbow-colored
>>739416904A bit too pretentious to frame anagnorisis as a revelation of some fundamental *question* which is saying something when you're flexing greek theater words in the first place, considering it precedes a reversal of fortune and the ultimate conclusion. Unless it's always a question of "would it have been better not to know in the first place?", for tragic heroes at least.No, the only reason such questions exist is because creators have left empty space in the story, whether big or small, intentional or not. Questions which are oftentimes not terribly relevant since the plot concluded properly, with closure you show no respect towards. It is the uncertain questioning ending which is the coward's way out, non-committal sequelbait for modern popular fiction. Has character A place in the finale contributed to the overall themes? Who gives a shit, imagine whatever you want, the creator certainly didn't bother to put a period at the end. But a proper story can only end in two ways: a funeral or a wedding.>inb4 you accuse of my shipping faggotry because you don't even know what the last sentence is all about
>>739417289>You're right but canonically Susie and Ralsei don't know what is the Knightbut gerson 100% does, and he calls it an it. more specifically>what do you think that knight fella is, anyhoo.he's not asking WHO the knight is, rather WHAT the knight is. the knight isn't a person.
>>739417293So, thoughts on the Sopranos ending?
>Kris is actually the vesselpeanut brain>FRIEND/Mantle stole your vessel and made it to look like Kris[BIG SHOT] brain
>>739417395>FRIEND is the red soul, inside of kris>FRIEND is the player>we are the friend inside me
>>739417350But anon themes are what MAKES stories! Can't you see? It's why everyone will get into a HUGE argument about Undertale but nobody gives a rat's ass about UTY because the themes were traded for a fanservicey... almost MASTURBATORY narrative, it's DISGUSTING!!! >>739417384It's SHIT!!!
>>739417439>It's SHIT!!!I thought it was great
>>739417395>it wasn't minikris that took ramb>it was the vesselthat's both far more interesting and somehow something i've never heard anyone consideryou might actually be right
>>739417472When I say "A great ending gifts you a question" I did not mean a question where people just ENDLESSLY speculate about BULLSHIT that does not tie on the overarching themes of the story.
Can you stop talking like a quirky redditor you stupid niggerfaggot? You've made your point. (that you're a retard with shit taste)
>>739417395>>739417501Here's something you didn't considerKris is a fake and the real kris took ramb
>>739417439You are being very facetious and I have no clue what's your actual sentiment with all these reply chains. Please insult me in a more straightforward manner if you intend to do so.
>>739413721This will happen if you mod the game.
>>739397147>genuine discussion without it devolving into who can out-moral each other.anon this is like 99% of the internet in good olde 2026
>>739417550You're just jealous of my swag, anon.>>739417596NIGGER!!! NIGGER!! NIGGER!!! NIGGER!!
>>739417506It makes sense in the context of the episode, look at what happened to Phil
Enough of this bullshit let's get some doe porn going
>>739417580nothere is zero evidence that kris is a gooner or a copyat most it's one hand, but just one handthe vessel was clearly made in kris' image, not the other way around
Look at what you've done, Toby.This anon is having a psychotic break. This is clearly the result of too much WAIT. We need the chapter NOW, Toby.
>>739417646Nigga I'm not gonna argue about The Sopranos in my precious /v/ deltachad thread.
>>739417598>utenarune>madokarunewhich is more likely to happen?
>>739417685I was gonna comment on "those" people (You know exactly who I'm talking about) for robbing us of Toby's biweekly vagueposting, but I'm sure we're all tired of hearing it...
>>739417694And Toby Fox deserves a whack for ending Deltarune with a fucking cut to black
>>739417682>kris is a gooner>implying we didn't already know that
>>739417682Kris literally turns grey in chapter 3 when playing mantle, and in ch. 4 kris not only has a pedestal reserved for him (pic rel, bottom left, but an organikk tells him he is going to turn to stone.
>>739417726Madokarune because I want Kris to be more feminine and wear pink.
>>739417808You are a black nigger monkey you are the blackest nigger monkey to ever live
>>739417358Woah i can't believe the Knight was the representation of Kris guilt all alongI guess Papyrus piano lessons were too much
>>739417804kris went pale when (you) made him kill his friendsever heard of the term 'the blood drained from his face' or 'he went pale with fear'?
>>739417904Don't be so mean towards her she's trying her best.
DON'T WAIT
>>739419849especiallythe don't
>>739418531They both need a BWC
>>739408410>There is a difference between protecting your friends and destroying someone for your own justiceHoly freak. Yellow reference? The dog did it again.
>>739401992He cares about Kris, he's infatuated with YOU, he's in love with Susie
>>739413067Its honestly just a bad coincidence with the whole latinx drama bullshit. He was still goong to remain silent.CH5 is pretty close to completion, he would have no reason to say anything about aside from revealing the release date
>>739413067what's the worst that could happen? gigi assuming direct control of chapter 5 and beyond?
>>739413067it's literally only been 2 (two) months
>>739422525Post more Pluey.
>>739422839his name is mike you imbecile
>>739389409Normal route has Susie glaring at Kris through her tearsWeird route has Susie trying to kill (You) with righteous eyes while Kris/Noelle are tearfully trying to pull (You) into her attacks
>>739400418I liked chaper 1 on release because it felt like UT but with 3 niggas in a row, didn't like white Ralsei reveal because he looked better black, also Jevil was fucking hypeChapter 2 was good but the fucking suselle shit gave me Undyne and Alphys flashbacks and I even skipped the ferris wheel section so I missed out on Berdly kino, also I never found Spamton's hidey hole so I missed that secret boss and overall the chapter ended on a sour noteBut then I did Snowgrave and had a boner the entire timeChapter 3 was fun and I liked the zelda sections but I fucked myself when I got an A rank during the first section and I knew I should have just restarted but I continued on anyway and regretted that but overall chapter 3 was goodChaper 4 was amazing and has the best aesthetics and setting as well as the awesome Gerson and Titan fightsAnd after seeing Noelle get her cherry figuratively and probably literally popped I am content with all suselle shit because it would just make me enjoy the weird route even moreGod I can't wait for chapter 5
Is this anything?
>>739423808>didn't like white Ralsei reveal because he looked better blackHonestly, the more time passes the more I think Toby knew and made it 100% intentional. We don't know what exactly is the deal with Ralsei, it's almost as if he was just born shortly before the game began, shaping himself to Kris' influence memories.
And peoppe wonder why Toriel fucked Sans loudly while Kris slept
>>739424119Who's peoppe.
You think Toby is going to do one of those the dark is good and the light is bad type of deals. Like how the angels are actually evil. That trope. Why is the theme for a dark Fountain called "THE HOLY" and why does the castle town have angel decor. Hell why did one of the Titans have angel wings sprouting off of them?
>>739425553I'm thinking all the "demon" or "hell" aligned characters have some amount of Metagame awareness or powers going on. Chara=Level ups, Friend=RNG, Gaster=Code, Player=The fucking Player (Also lucifer parallels, actively called the Lightbringer, etc.). Which I then suppose would mean the Angel and "Heaven" aligned characters would be deeper into the "Fantasy" more immersion, less real, further away from "reality" etc. Titan did have a lot of angel motifs going on after all.
Cool, keep it to yourself
>>739400568There's a difference between people who genuinely want to talk about this game it's events it's future and its current theories and then there are people who post smut of various characters ritual post and just shitpost in general. Talking about shipping relationships and all that. I'm still hung up about that little off pixel behind the tree by the lake. All the trees look perfectly symmetrical and almost copied but there's one little thing that's off about the last tree. It absolutely looks like someone standing behind it.
>>739405289Agreed
>>739405676Don't worry, I did this the first time too, mainly because I equipped it immediately after getting it.
>>739382740How many fucking chapters will this slop have?
>>739406465Isn't the green Gaster theory entirely based on color coding? That Papyrus is red and Sans is blue and thus Gaster must be green (and in-between)>>739407579Because Gaster being the skelebros dad is pretty peak, I vastly prefer it over most of the new nonsense like him being a cat. It feels like being contrarian for contrarian sake.>>739409816Gaster being another brother is lame, I prefer dadster.
>How to draw dragonsIt's Susie. She was drawn and colored in. That's why she's an outsider, why her backstory has so many holes, why she barely has any home and no family, and why the prophecy can't touch her.
>>739407807Delusional cope.
>>739421283This was made years before Yellow, even before it had its demo.
>>739411142It's the last chapter we play as Kris. After that we will play as the Vessel in 6 and 7. That's why all the quests end in 5.
>>7394267427 in the menuHowever Toby never hard confirmed that, only ch6 development and also ch4 has a weird dialogue that depending on how you read it, there might be one more
>>739412425Gerson. He's pretty lame as an actual fight. Too on rails and Toby needs to limit you to one character and no items for difficulty. I prefer the Undyne fights myself.
>>739415292Just WAIT. WAIT and make your own fun. We're only getting news in the anniversary of 3 and 4 so you gotta follow Gerson's advice and write your own fun.
>>739415749This is the first time I actually notice there's a dialogue about using the annoying dog like an item like you do in Undertale. Legendary Artifact return confirmed?
>>739427845I don't think there's going to be a chapter 8, but there's most likely going to be an entire chapter worth of secret content post CH7 with the right conditions.
>>739417395This also fits with the Thrash Machine parallels were it's used by someone else before we can use it. It's my personal favorite theory of it so far.
>>739417598>>739417808Toby needs to give us more official magical girl human outfits, the closest we got was Frisk wearing Toriel’s robes in a newsletter and wearing Mado's clothes.>>739417726Utenarune because that's where the rose came from.
>>739422925Battat...
>>739412425Gerson.
>>739425727I guess the main problem is that in Undertale the angel (Asriel) breaks the barrier which technically represents monsters leaving the fantasy world (the underground) into a realer world (the surface), so if anything the Angel and light seem to turn people away from fantasy.
>>7394267427, he said it in an interview there's only 7 chapters.
ya’ll got anything new to talk about?
raping and beating kris until she becomes my mindbroken suicidal trad wife
>>739429136Human girls rape YOU but maybe Kris gets such a debuff that she always gets raped instead.
>>739383215berdy's mom hmmmmm pizza
>>739429018No.
>>739429136Please do not abuse the humans you have the doe for that anyways
>>739429018we got the humanfags and shipposting. take it or leave it
Who’d make a worse mother. Susie or Noelle
>>739429931Noelle and it's not remotely close.
>>739429136THIS will happen.
>>739405594>ends when Kris puts his hand on Noelle's faceLame, wanted to see a kiss
>>739429694>Kris>humanfunny joke
>>739429931Noelle.
>>739405594Wow I didn't even notice this was a gif.
>>739429694This. Humans do the abusing, not the contrary.
Suselle fans when I chop off all their limbs with a rusty machete:
>>739429136Clover…
>>739430649That's Yellow SOUL Chad, actually.
>>739430649Today I will remind them.
>>739429931I wouldn't trust Noelle to look after a pet hamster much less a child
>>739426993>Gaster being another brother is lame,yet that's literally what sans calls him. sans/papyrus already had a father figure, his name was grandpa semi.
Deltarune is about breaking a curse
>>739430827Isn't that the fanfic with an axe fucking scene
>>739431226Gaster is grandpa semi though.
At least the TADC finale bombed so Deltarune won't be remembered as the worst tranny media.
>>739431445Yes. Written by a woman btw.
>>739432094no, they're completely different characters.
>>739433281Grandpa Semi technically isn't a real character, just Gaster's beta concept.
>>739432710typical
Why does Toby make so many cuck scenes involving Noelle?
>>739434195He's preparing for the ultimate cuck scene, where Susie and Noelle actually get together, cucking Kris and Ralsei
alright, I got a mantless knight save now, do I get the good ending?
>>739397147This is true, you can get genuine discussion on 4channel.org without people malding over the characters being misgendered or gay shit like that. That's why all the 4chancore theories are hated outside of here.
>>739434782You also need to- get all the Eggs- get all the Shadow Crystals- send Tenna to Mettaton's house- visit Onion in every chapter- not take the money out of Asriel's drawer- go to the festival with Berdly- be Ralsei's wingman when he starts expressing feelings for Susie- have a save of a completed True Pacifist ending on your PC (resetting after the Genocide ending doesn't count)- abort the Weird Route in chapter 2 so you get the ThornRing- make the TwistedSword and give it to Noelle- replay the game from the beginning with a completed chapter 7 save file on your PC- cure Rudy- find and complete the optional ICE-E Sewer Dark World in chapter 6- fix Sans' space-time traversal machine so he and his brother can go to Undertale- resurrect Grandpa Semi
Chara will be real, SOON
>>739417598I'm modding my game to give Noelle feet
>>739435716Big (literally) if true.
>>739434782You missed the mini-Kris Krusie scene. Save bricked.
>>739436091Damn, what do they feed to these humans?
>>739417395This is probably the most cryptic significant event in the entire game so far and another reason why "ERAM" can't possibly just be a nameless miniboss only relevant to Chapter 3. We might never hear about Ramb again but something has to explain what happened here.Note that something frightening happening to Ramb and "Kris" leaving the backstage area are two separate events. If the dust bunny saw "Kris" do something to Ramb, they wouldn't be telling Kris about it.
>>739427635i too believe our time with Kris is coming to an end.
>>739436318Pure raw determination.
>>739427305Wouldn't that mean she is a Darkner? Maybe that's why she bleeds
>>739435716I miss her so much
>>739438402Everyone decent misses the better humans.
>>739436318Butterscotch pie is pure carbs and fat.
>>739383662He was probably hoping to coast through it with the goodwill he built up with normies, but he lost it on with the latinx drama that exposed him.He's terrified now, he may just pull a GRRM
>>739415482>why else would I be playing Deltarune?the comedy and the aesthetics of coursethat the real reason this fandom exists in the first place
>>739415482Most people like UT/DR because of the quirky characters and funky music.
Man why is there no other game with mechanics of corruption as fun as corrupting Noelle?
>>739436926True. It's genuinely very weird and there's no real explanation of it. When I first played 3 I also thought Eram was a clear foreshadow to a future foe.
>>739415795I'm already expecting to be let down again
autism is BACKhttps://youtu.be/9TrrPvz6nHI
>>739439606Pathfinder wrath of the righteous has a route where you can recorrupt a succubus trying to be good
>>739439470>>739439564Most people in a fandom are there for surface level reasons, that's fair, but it's not the "real" reason the fandom exists in the first place.
>>739439735Theoryman creates first theory (part 1)
>>739415482>Because I think the Darkners are funny little guys? I mean, that's why I play it.
>>739382740DRM Service scam slop.GMS1 was a single payment standalone program that you could own.GMS2 is a scam.
>>739416904I hope Deltarune's ending is so bad people pile up on pretentious faggots like (You)
>>739439957The metanarrative of Undertale wasn't the main reason the fandom existed, really. It was the multiple routes and characters. The Sans fight was basically the backbone of all fandom content.
>>739439735This was posted awhile ago and as usual it's mostly nothing like all his theories
>>739439914Neat, will check it out.
>>739440389I hope it's a great ending, fantastic ending, because then you normogolem plebs would be seething for months.
why are trannies so into this crap
>>739440530It's not gonna change anything, I remember a good number of discord troons pretending to hate ch3+4 the moment it came out
>>739440448First of all, once again, I'm not concerned with the reason "most of the fandom" exists. Popularity is not merit.Secondly, I wasn't talking about the metanarrative, I was talking about the story having more going on than the characters being funny guys that I want to see more dialogue from in general. Which people STILL reject to this day. "Muh family drama isn't the point of Deltarune" or whatever.
>>739440586Trannies like to latch onto anything that is good and ruin it. Have you ever noticed they don't actually discuss the gameplay, or speculate on the game's symbolism, or engage with the game's themes? They just wanna play house with someone's else's toys, it's pathetic, it's childish.
>>739416458>"controversial ending" is what never happens with incredible games
>>739417439>nobody gives a rat's ass about UTY/vrpg/ is still obsessing over it after 2 years and counting.
>>739417772>ending Deltarune with a fucking cut to blackthat's a very real possibility https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B6HB9VU7Ho
>>739383886The Knight nerf was a 1 pixel reduction on one attack
>>739440779Deltarune obviously has every deep-cut themes around fate and agency, I have said that countless times. However, it's undeniably also about Dess, about the Dreemurrs, about the weirdly sentimental past of Kris and Susie. As intelligent as Deltarune is, Toby Fox is absolutely not shy to make soapy, melodramatic bits throughout. His writing reminds me a lot of David Lynch's approach to storytelling, while the themes are absolutely the main focus of the game, the story gives you room to breathe with familial and romantic conflicts. Twin Peaks is almost like a supernatural soap opera, and DELTARUNE is much the same in that regard.
>>739440894Literally only because of the character designs. That general is basically a containment general for everyone who likes UT/DR purely for the monster waifus.
>>739441029It was made one pixel "thinner" from each side, no? And it was like ten pixels wide to begin with, right? So isn't that like a 20% reduction in how much of the play area damages you in total?
>>739440779>First of all, once again, I'm not concerned with the reason "most of the fandom" exists.Yeah, but the post I was replying to talked about the "real" reason the fandom exists:>but it's not the "real" reason the fandom exists in the first place.Popularity is relevant here. But yes, there being a deeper layer to the characters is why Undertale got popular, the entire Sans fight was him showing his extra layer.
>>739383662the quality of the ending will depend entirely on whether suselleshit happensthat's pretty much it, most other things could occur and it would still be salvageable. suselleshit isn't. worst fucking pairing i have ever seen in any game.
>>739440586Autismcore.
>>739441127Yeah I didn't deny that, I was saying that most of the people who reject Deltarune's themes also massively overreact to the presence of ANY story layer other than "funny Darkner does funny things", including the relatively mundane family drama.
>>739441337How fucking retarded do you have to be to engage with such an incredible piece of vidya and all you get out of it is retarded lesbian drama
>>739440827>They just wanna play house with someone's else's toys, it's pathetic, it's childish.Toby literally wants you to do that, though. He said so via Gerson and the anniversary stream.
>>739441421I see what you're saying, this fandom is weirdly averse to anything interesting for some reason, it's like anything that doesn't fit their mold of "le heccin comfy" is automatically evil and must be destroyed.
>>739441431Anon, it's the fact that I hate the lesbian drama that makes it so important. Susie and Noelle are major characters of this game, but every time they're on-screen together their personalities evaporate.You just try to compare the scenes that those two have with each other vs the scenes those two have with other characters like Kris or Ralsei.
>>739441457That's a gross misinterpretation, retard-kun
>>739441298>popularity is relevant to whether the fandom exists at allEh... this is an interesting bit of semantics. Yes and no? The exact size of the fandom is generally immaterial to whether I'd say it exists, but at some point it definitely isn't a fandom anymore, either.The sans fight got popular because people liked the surface level story of the chill guy being pushed beyond the breaking point and how insane the fight itself was. Most people firmly didn't care about any of the thematic stuff floating around the genocide route that makes it feel like it does.
>>739441141>"nobody cares about UTY">proof that people do>"NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT"
Here's your giga nerfed sword tunnel, bro
>>739441526>anything interestingBecause telling Omori's story again for the billionth time is such an interesting thing.
If you understand spanish, this is basedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCnUKmRzvv8
>>739440586Because the main character is one and Toby will scream at you if you don't use (they) pronoums
>>739441557I mean yeah I do agree, I don't understand how Susellefags get so invested in it because both Noelle and Susie act so out-of-character with each other is jarring.
>>739441708>any story where a tragedy happens that doesn't come from some epic external threat that I can defeat is literally OmoriYou're not helping your case.
>>739441708Ok? When did I say that's what makes Deltarune special? Deltarune is special because of its themes and metanarrative, not because of the soap opera drama of Dess and her disappearance and why the Dreemurrs are divorced or whatever, that's just a backdrop to the real start of the show.OMORI is waaaay soapier than DT, it's quite shallow thematically.
>>739441802They give it all the passes just because its yuri, regardless of quality or how it destroys the characters and reality itself to make it work
>>739442008
>>739441923>>739441954You guys really don't think Deltarune isn't clearly about "you can't let le escapism distract you from reality" and "you have to learn to accept the past is gone"?
>>739442184It's ok anon, not everyone has the knack to engage with the deeper themes of a story
>>739441580No, it's not. Toby wants you to have fun with his characters and world, he doesn't want you to be an pretentious elistist.
>>739442184I think it has much, much, much more going on than that, yeah. I've been hearing these morals since I was a kid.Even Omori has more going on thematically than THAT.
>>739441649I didn't make the original claim, "people" do care about UTY, just dumb people.
>>739441802Because those people still think we're in 2014 when a lesbian couple in a popular cartoon/game was this watershed progressive societal achievement, and defend it to death regardless of whenever it was well written or makes sense within the story.I recall reading something about Gigi being extremely happy with Suselle being pushed in Chapter 2 for example.
>>739442340famous Toby Fox supporter of people who want to make stories with his characters while simultaneously never dropping the source code of UT, never acknowledging any fandom OC despite how high quality they are.
>>739442439I don't think Toby bends the knee to these people but he definitely knows how to work around them. Sometimes I wonder if he makes the Suselle as jarring and anticlimactic as possible (Dess and Susie alone in Dess's room and the only thing they can talk about is Kris, KEK.)
>>739442263>>739442412Omori has the decency of being upfront about what kind of story it is, Deltarune tricked me for 7 years into expecting mostly fluff like how Undertale was.
>>739441594I mean, a fandom is by definition multiple fans of a work together, so that's why I think what attracted most fans together matters. Agreed on the rest, though.
>>739442591Omori is upfront because it doesn't go that deep. Undertale and Deltarune are not upfront because Toby is a talented writer with very special and rare sensibilities which allows him to write something profound, unlike omocat.
>>739442447not to defend tobert but>never dropping the source code of UT,Literally nothing of value, it's spaghetti>never acknowledging any fandom OCCreators should keep some distance from their fans. Toby is still mindbroken about Woody for some god damn reason.
>>739404173I don't think that's true so far, but his censoring on chapter 4's weird route worries me that he's not going to be 100% true to his original vision.
>>739442716You'd think Toby would at least praise UTY, lmfao, just admit your jumping the shark
>>739442447>while simultaneously never dropping the source code of UT,Why would he do that when people already accessed it?>never acknowledging any fandom OC despite how high quality they are.He acknowledged Underfell and other Sans AUs several times, which technically are the most popular fanworks in the fandom. He also was forced to acknowledge Togore, too.
>>739442675I can't fucking understand where faggots like you came from. These threads had everyone mocking Toby all the time before the 3+4 release. Where is everyone from those times?
>>739442591Undertale had a deeper meaning that you chose to ignore.Deltarune amplified that until you could no longer ignore it and got mad.>but Undertale wasn't about MUH FAMILY DRAMAit also wasn't about muh funny little guys. It had something to say on a thematic level about games as a whole that you chose to ignore. Just as Deltarune always has.
>>739442771We all love Toby here, tourist-kun
>>739442752>Praising a work that made him waste 20KI don't think he has positive opinions of Yellow.
>>739442784Sent that cunt flying.
>>739442784Damn dude. Did you simply erase your memory from what the actual majority of Undertale's playthrough is like?What is the super deeper themes of rolling around in dirt to smell like a dog in Snowdin? Or creating flower bridges in Waterfall? Or Tsunderplane dropping bombs on you?That sort of fluff was the bulk of the gameplay and plot. You act as it the game is nothing but Flowey's genocide monologue stretched out for hours and hours.
>>739442771They were playing the game (like me) and all those people shitting on Toby were just tourists or casuals that left during the WAIT
>>739442771You're speaking to the same people. All those posts you thought were shitting on Toby's writing as a whole along with you weren't. You have now lost whatever delusional pretext allowed you to believe you were in good company.
>>739440586>why are trannies so into this crapinto video games?the same reason guys are
>>739442820>3+ years of people calling him tobert and a weeb all the time>I'm a tourist because I don't follow the cocksucker culture that only existed for 10 months
>>739441704unironically makes a massive difference
>>739443093>implying I don't think terbit is a weeb anymore
>>739443004>what's the point of themes if you can't boil down literally every action in the game to "themes"?What the fuck are you talking about? You're acting like Flowey's genocide dialogue came out of nowhere and it was just part of the game arbitrarily having a creepypasta route.
an hour long rpgmaker game is taking this multi millionaire a decade to complete
>>739431445its pretty good if you ignore the weird sex scenes
>>739443093I called him tobert and a weeb.I think his writing is pretty good and overall enjoy Deltarune, aside from the concerning direction Susie and Noelle are going in romantically.
>>739443093People always defended Toby in Deltarune threads, you need to make an Undertale bait thread for the haters to show up.
>>739443178Ackchyually Deltarune is not based on RPGMaker, it uses [Other game engine that pretty much makes the whole game for you]
WHERES MY DELTASLOP TOBY?
>>739443167Flowey's dialogue could be applied to most games in general, and most of the game that precedes it just happens to give ground to it.You could rip out that aspect of the game, you could change Sans's dialogue to just call you an asshole like how Undyne does, and all those set pieces and gags would still work by themselves. Undertale could have simply been a story about a kid escaping a cave full of wacky monsters and it would be consistent on itself and also still very popular.
>>739431445it's amazing if you pay attention to the eccentric sex scenes
>>739443209>aside from the concerning direction Susie and Noelle are going in romantically.can't wait too see your reaction soon
Fellas is undertale considered “UNC” now?
>>739443424UNCertaleDeltaUNC
>>739443424No because zoomers grew up with it
>>739443319I WANY SLOPY NOW
>>739443424>played it as a 15 years old>25 years old nowWait for 2030 and the answer will be Yes
>>739443340You could rip out the few aspects of the game that make it look "meta" to surface level faggots and it wouldn't change the substance of the game... because the themes are still pointing the same way even if you don't make Sans or Flowey explicitly talk about them.Actually removing any depth or themes beyond it being "a story about a kid escaping a cave full of wacky monsters" would result in a much worse game overall. You just don't think that things like the arrangement of gameplay sequences count as part of themes. Presumably because you're applying a high school analysis level of understanding to the idea of themes as a whole, and can barely parse what a theme is outside of a book.
>>739443424Not yet.
>>739443582Explain to me, in intricate detail, the deep themes of the Dog Guard fights.And you have to talk about it IN ISOLATION, BY ITSELF. I could myself yap about how Papyrus is this deep cut discussion about how we get attached to characters like him at first only to inevitably get bored and thus it's the why his check on the genocide route is "forgettable", but these are only things attached to him outside of his initial setup, Papyrus would work out the same without it and those things could be attached to so many other stories out there. And you know for a fact this isn't what anyone will be thinking about when playing the game for the first time blind.Also, come fucking on anon, this is a sparkle dog YA coming of age adventure, you'd be laughed out of /lit/ if you tried to push your "Toby is a genius" narrative there. You can only exist in /v/ because the bar is unbelievably low here.
AnywayHuman sex
>>739444051Based as fuck. I love them
>>739444051I wish the game would just reveal what the deal with humans in this timeline is.
>>739444254They need to be kept ambiguous until the end of time.
>>739444287mystery boxes aren't fun if you never open them
>>739383662undertale yellow's pacifist ending sucked and the yellow anons kept threads alive for two years about it along with making multiple fangames over it.i expect the same to happen with UT/DR threads if deltarune's ending sucks.
>>739443989>if this part of the game doesn't have deep thematic weight that ties in with the whole theme of the story then THE THEMES DON'T MATTER AND THE STORY IS JUST ABOUT THE SILLY EVENTS THAT HAPPENThe guard dog fights are a cute progression of dog-related tropes applied to a very classically videogamey "miniboss stack" structured area. It helps reinforce the feeling of Undertale being a "real game world" and not just a real world that you happen to interface with like a game or a game world that randomly decides to let reality play out, as many similar works fall prey to. This helps its themes relating to games as a whole land better.>but the fights THEMSELVES don't have deep themes, ha! Gotcha!!Sure thing buddy.>And you know for a fact this isn't what anyone will be thinking about when playing the game for the first time blind.You're right, but now that I've played Undertale, it is part of how I think about every game I play blind. It makes them universally more enjoyable.
>>739409904those movies werent good.
>>739444378I never said this shit anon. I said the fucking game was mostly set pieces with the actual meaningful bits tucked away at certain corners.That's my fucking point. Undertale was mostly fluff in it's play time, regardless or LE THEMES existing at certain points.>It makes them universally more enjoyable.Blue curtain literature teaches are a disgrace on humanity.
>>739444520They were amazing. The 80's were amazing for cinema and I wasn't even born to live that.
>>739444623>80sok, those are from creators that wanted to make what they wanted to make.and surprise surprise, they were good and people liked them.
>>739444575The set pieces are only good because they have a balanced impact on the way the themes are presented. Set pieces literally can't be good or bad on their own, context is always important, and that means themes are important.>Blue curtain literature teaches are a disgrace on humanity.I like games more when I understand the reason for elements being arranged as they are. You thinking it's "pretentious" to try and understand the whys and hows of media you're consuming beyond the level you'd get from a behind the scenes feature about the technical challenges is a failing on your part. I'm sorry your English teacher failed you for refusing to write a few sentences about what the scarlet letter might represent or whatever.
>>739444371Snoot game Deltarune edition is inevitable.
>>739444326Truthfully I think Toby will probably explain why Kris is the only Deltarune human but not much more than that.
>>739444707No you retard, that was the late 60's to late 70's with New Hollywood. The 80's was the rise of the blockbuster age of movies (that really started in 1977 with Star Wars).
>>739445079>star wars>your example of "this isnt what the creator wanted to make"im sorry for ever thinking you were someone worthy of time from even a bug.
>>739444761Most people like the set pieces for themselves. Yeah I know you think of yourself as better than everyone else but that's not my argument here.I like games that allow me to be completely immersed in their worlds. I avoid games that do the opposite. And I absolutely despise games that trick me into expecting the first and them shift into the second without warning.
>>739444051Human big boobs.
>>739445259Every set piece that "just exists" or "exists because it's cool" actually exists for a reason the creator doesn't fully understand. Nothing is just "right" for the story for no reason whatsoever. Everything that fits, fits for a reason. That's themes in action! If knowing there's a thematic layer, a "why", to the placement of that setpiece decreases your immersion, then your immersion is worthless! It sucks that your English teachers all failed to teach you well enough to grasp this on your own, but please stop taking it out on Deltarune threads.
>>739445262All sizes are good...
tumblr and twitter troons always start their opinionated posts like>I think>I still think>I feel like>genuinelyit's so fucking annoying
>>739445262>>739445328I love human booba
>>739445515Yes!
>>739445163Star Wars is a tricky one because of the context around it. It could only exist because of the auteur culture of New Hollywood, but it's also the turning point for the current meta of major movies with big merch sales and popular IPs and everything.People didn't like SW because Lucas was "doing his thing", they liked it because it was a simplistic, crowd pleasing, wish fulfillment adventure with groundbreaking special effects and an intriguing fantasy world, something that pretty much ceased to exist during the previous era of american film.Lucas was doing his auteur thing an accidently made something that appealed to everyone. He did his own thing again with the Prequels and didn't achieve the same result, regardless of how you feel about them. The sequels also failed but for completely different reasons.Toby also accidentally made Undertale popular while other games from the time like LISA never achieved that.
>>739445607>popular = only made to be popularagain, im so terribly sorry for thinking you were worth any time or thought.
>>739445308It's not my teachers "failing" faggot, people explained to me those stories and every time my enjoyment plummeted.You just don't get how hedonistic I am.
>>739445598Oh wow, you added both posts together, based.
>>739417395>>739417501Can someone explain this to me as if I'm a dummy?
>>739445723Then you are a fundamentally broken person and no game, or book, or television, or really anything, should be made in an attempt to appease you. If enjoyment runs counter to understanding then your enjoyment is a direct indicator of your retardation.
>>739445774The mantle holder is inside the gray body you made at the start and kidnapped the british plug.
>>739445749Boobsed, even
>>739445690>>popular = only made to be popularYou're not even trying to engage with my points. I said the exact opposite, SW was only accidentaly made popular.My point is that a creator doing "his thing" has almost nothing to do with others enjoying a story, people like things because they follow universal, primal elements that are pleasing to the human mind, that's the reason the hero's journey is a thing.
>>739445598>>739445858>>739445515Chara is not that big!
>>739445797And yet, many things have been done that please me. That's what those board room driven TV shows and movies were many times. Or some weirdo making a little game in his bedroom entirely around his self indulgent desires, that has happened too.
>>739445951Interesting how you are not commenting on Frisk
I genuinely believe this although I can't prove it. The knight is actually a Tulpa that can exist in the real world and dark world.
the knight is gaster doing a hand shadow puppet for his story
>>739445992Nothing has been done that actually pleases you, though. All work is arranged how it is for reasons. No work spontaneously popped up from nothing with no motivation to how its elements are relative to one another.
what if instead of the "bump in the night" Ralsei described the Titan as the "hump in sight" and started humping the Titan with his goat penis
>>739446186>Nothing has been done that actually pleases you, though. All work is arranged how it is for reasons.What about the smut stories I wrote for myself?
>>739446186Not him but just because you don't agree with how thinks doesn't meant you can just go "you actually have never enjoyed anything". Him having a stupid reason to enjoy things doesn't mean he actually isn't enjoying them.
>>739445951>>739446037Chara and Frisk are that big but Frisk is bigger
>>739446335Sexy!
humanfag, what would be your monkey's paw for another human in Deltarune? An ugly bastard?
>>739446382Normal adult man that looks out of place
>>739446474I can see it. Something that has none of the appeal of the humans we got so far.
at least the annoying seamonkey humanfag waits till the thread is over to spam his dogshit avatarfag images
>>739446317If he thinks he's being robbed of enjoyment by a work having themes, then he hasn't really enjoyed anything because everything has themes. There's no work he really likes, only works he doesn't understand enough yet to hate. I'm holding to that.
